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[Episode 11] 11] Creativity: The Spine Of Learning
Creativity The Spine of Learning [Episode 11] Wired For Success TV [0:00:13] http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv.. Melanie: Welcome to another episode of http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv I’m Mel Gabriel and with me is my co-host, Beryl Thomas. And today, we’ll be talking to musical musical pioneering genius, Lawrence Ball. Lawrence has had an illustrious career composing music for film, dance, orchestra, and choir, and computer, and the list goes on. He’s also a well-sought after Maths tutor with many other passions. Two of which, we will explore today in the context of stimulating creativity and raising consciousness. Today, we are really curious to explore with Lawrence the role his music plays in helping to balance our lives and the common relationship between his his musi music c and and free free energy energy in the the new physi physics cs.. Also Also,, the the relat relation ionsh ship ip between his music and spiritual practices and how to live and view life from deep states of joy while effortlessly meeting life’s challenges. Also, drawing on his skills as a Maths tutor, we’ll take a look at how music affects the brain and can bring the mind and feelings into deeper rapport and enhance learning through deeply relaxed states of concentration. So, welcome Lawrence. It is – we’re thrilled to have you with us today.
Lawrence: Thank you very much. Thank you, Mel. Thank you, Beryl. Melanie: Now, you’re going to have to forgive me if I ask some really basic questions today. But there are so much richness in this topic and the promise of me being reintroduced to the real part of me that I want to make sure I can embrace it all with relaxed concentration. So … [0:01:56] . Lawrence: [Indiscernible] [0:01:56]
Melanie: So, could explain to our audience within the context of what we’re going to talk about today, what relaxation and concentration is? And I ask this question because there are so many people out there who think they can’t relaxed and traditionally, people think of concentration as something 2 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
that’s going to hurt the brain. So could you put this into context for us today in terms of your music?
Lawrence: Sure. I’ll try anyway. All we can help during this early stage of human history. Basically, I get the impression people have the notion that relax relaxin ing g means means you you stop stop conc concent entrat rating ing and when when you you conc concen entra trate te,, it means you stop relaxing. This is maybe instilled in us from school. If you’re not suffering, you’re not learning. Not like it was in my day, which is rubbish of course. And this – the work ethic which is when you’re working, you have to sacrifice – you put your shoulders on the wheel and this is not about you. And when you’re relaxing, that’s when you get the treat. Now, I was having a conversation with man in a special group I’m part of the other day and he was talking about how he can get in touch with the inne innerr world orld so the the deep deeper er imag imagin inat atio ion n or the the spir spirit it,, if you you like like.. The The borderline between sleeping and waking, when you’re just about to go to sleep and when you’re just coming to in the morning. And I said, it’s important that these days that we can be in touched with that state at any time. That everything we do and the people we deal with particularly our friends and everybody really has to be in this state whereby we are in deep connection with ourselves rather than it being just for special treat time or when we get time off at the end of the day. So it really flies in the face of convention but I’m all for this idea that relaxation and concentration are two very important half parts of the same integrated whole and we should strive to look at these that way.
Melanie: And so, your music is guiding people into that integrated state. Lawrence: It can do if they learn to engage with it. And sometimes sometimes people find it I think – they don’t get it or some people get it more. One of my friends once said that – the musician, Charles Hayward, he said, “Music makes available socially and it’s just it wouldn’t be there otherwise.” This idea … Melanie: No, carry on. I was just thinking, oh, letting my brain process that. Yes. So, you said, if they get it. Now, I suppose the whole point about not – we’re using relaxation as an escape mechanism is that you’re not sort of – I suppose you’re coming out of your head into your heart space and actually 3 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
learning to let go. And I suppose in order to let go, we’re really talking about freeing yourself of any preconceived expectations and just entering into the presence of the moment. Would you like to comment on that?
Lawrence: Yeah, that’s good. I think the idea of not using it as an escape mechanism, I think people are very often, when they have their relaxation or their treat or their meditation they think, oh, and there’s nothing wrong with detachment but it can be a way of checking out completely for some people from the life that they’re maybe needing to focus on even situations with the people close to them. So, there’s a difference between checking out and going into the deepest self which I think is a bit more connected. Melanie: OK. So perhaps, we can just have a little look at how your music, you talked about your music perhaps not so easily got implying that it’s probably different from what people are used to, perhaps you can explain to us what is different about how your music achieves what we’re talking about, helping people to go into deepest states of awareness and perhaps free themselves of expectation? And what is different about the way your music is created and experienced? Because I seem to remember in a conversation we talked about – you talked about the meditative qualities of it comes from constancy and repetition? Can you rescue me here? ure. You don’ don’tt need need any any res rescuin cuing. g. You’r ou’re e swimmi imming ng Lawrence: Sure. beautifully. That’s fine. Sorry. I hope you don’t feel like you’re at sea too much.
Melanie: No, no. Lawrence: Well, interviewers often say to me, “What effect do you want your music to achieve?” And whereas this is very sweet of them to do that because I think they’re helping me and in a sense they are, I feel there is an effect beyond effect where – and we all know this from being at peace with our friends, from being in nature where you don’t – you don’t remind what happens. It’s getting to that place where there’s a magic there that can be steered in any direction. Partly that’s achieved by using a kind of four-dimensional thing or repetition, rather like a mantra. In a sense, my music is bridging the east and west thing because it’s at one, it’s a mantric and also, it has the ostinato from Western classical music. And so, it unifies the two. So in that sense, it’s not really music to 4 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
help you study better or music to help you achieve achieve an alpha state although these things I’m sure are possible. It’s letting the energy from a deepest space come through, a space where energy really flows without effort for me and for the audience of for me and the – yourselves. And we all like to reach that place because it’s where things are easy and they don’t need scheduling or control.
Beryl: Lawrence, can I ask you this? When you’re composing, how do you know that you’ve you’ve got it right if there is such a thing? How do you know that the piece that you’ve just composed is going to have those kinds of effects on someone? Is it that you feel it in yourself or is this maybe even almost a channeling, something intuitive and you just know that you’ve captured it? Lawrence: That’s a good question. How do we know when things are the way we want them to be when we create something? It’s quite a deep question. Some of it is through the sheer physiological yes I get from – in the body that this is doing something. Some of it is because I got some guidance about it internally that makes me feel like this is definitely on track. Intuition Intuition is a very deep thing and it has many forms. And basically, basically, we can put it under the umbrella of intuition but ultimately, the music is not sound. It’s the person who creates it. And that’s why we enjoy a performer who is more relaxed and allowing energy to flow through them just as we enjoy our friend when they’re being clear and allowing something to happen.
Melanie: So – sorry. Did you want to say something, Beryl? Beryl: No. It comes – it brings up all kinds of thoughts to me about if I say entrainment. And when you say music is not the sound, it’s from the person … Lawrence: Yes. Melanie: Or it is the person. Beryl: It is the person, yes. So that’s interesting. So, there’s something in you that you want to share with the world and music is your modality to share that where it might be … 5 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
Lawrence: Probably. Beryl: Yeah. So for some other people, there will be some other modality like like if you’ you’re re a Tai Tai Chi Chi teac teacher her for exam exampl ple. e. You You woul would d be using using that that modality possibly or an artist or a painter. And that’s what you’re saying, isn’t it? Lawrence: It’s common – I think it’s common to all human service or creativity depending which words you put on that. Yeah. Melanie: So, are you able to say because I think this is a good way to understand is are you able to say and it’s OK if you can’t, what is the expression in you that you’re giving birth through your music that the rest of us can benefit from? Lawrence: Well, I think it’s like a sandwich, a sandwich of energies all the way from the physical all the way up to the spiritual. It’s – music in a sense is like multilevel. It’s not just physical sound. It has its invisible counterparts whic which h are very very real real and and very very lumi luminou nous s just just as creati creativi vity ty and shari sharings ngs between people can be luminous and have many invisible levels otherwise, we’d just be lumps of matter, wouldn’t we? True:: So mayb maybe e ther there e isn’ isn’tt an answ answer er to this this becaus because e we’re we’re Melanie: True talking about spontaneity here. But clearly, if the music is you, the result which is what we hear the music is some passion in you trying to express itself.
Lawrence: Yes. Melanie: And I don’t know whether I’m not hearing you correctly but I’m just wondering if I can put my finger or you can help me put my finger on that passion in you which is trying to express itself, that we’re enjoying is your music. Lawrence: Yeah. I think perhaps it’s not quite sure to say that it is me. It’s more true to say it’s me in resonance with the Divine to wherever it extends as possible or if you don’t like the word “Divine”, the deeper universal intelligence. 6 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
OK. And And of cour course se,, the the deepe deeperr univ univers ersal al intell intellige igenc nce e is best best Melanie: OK. accessed if we’re coming more from our heart space.
Lawrence: So they tell me. listening to the recordings that you sent me, Lawrence, Beryl: When I was listening very late last night …
Lawrence: I didn’t send them last night. Beryl: Indeed, you didn’t. By giving us no such thing as time. Lawrence: Right. Beryl: When I was listening to them last night, as a yoga teacher, I’m used to listen to any certain type of relaxation music. So when I listened to your music, it was not the normal kind of relaxation music and there was a kind of discordance in me from it which I was curious about. And yet, when I got over that curiosity and I was almost startled by it, I did find that I had a deep feeling of peace and stillness which was very nice. It did feel relaxing but not in that kind of relaxing going to sleep kind of relaxing. But how can I put it? Relaxed and aware. Lawrence: OK. Beryl: Is that a common kind of response when people think it’s going to be of a certain genre of relaxation music? Lawrence: Well yes, in a way, as Mel said at the beginning, I’m kind of a pioneer. I’ve been putting contemporary music together with what people would normally call new age music where there is more space to be yourself and just see what you feel about it. But there’s a component in there that does engage the mind in a way that perhaps some of the other music doesn’t. I’m trying to be kind to them. It’s not really just being in the now. It’s also about bringing the mind into the now as well. So you’ve got more – it may seems strange for us because perhaps one is used to just being zero but it’s more engaging us, is what I would say in a way that a classical music is because classical music is very much a cerebral engagement as well as a feeling engagement. 7 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
Beryl: Yeah. What I felt was, what I experienced was – and it’s hard to find the words so forgive me if I don’t quite get it right but it fast tracked tracked me out of my mind into a place of, for want of a better phrase, no mind. And it’s interesting because I’m quite a kind of adrenaline-driven kind of a person, buzzly kind of person so I don’t find it the easiest thing to do to drop into meditation. And I know many other people don’t, who are kind of like me. And this seemed to get into that space quite quickly and I knew purist won’t have – pure meditators are not in support of having music to help you to meditate. They think it’s a distraction. Well, I kind of feel one says doesn’t fit all. And if you do have a buzzly kind of a mind or say, you are very anxious about something, it’s not that easy to slip into that space. So what I’m saying is, just in a few minutes, I think your tracks are maybe just five minutes that I was listening to, it just seemed to ease e ase me into that spac space e real really ly quit quite e quic quickl kly y havi having ng gone gone thro throug ugh h as I said said that that slig slight ht discordance which I would say – let’s say, we know that order comes out of chaos. We know that. So maybe that’s what’s going on. There’s a little bit of churning something up there and then quickly slipping to that place of order and peace and stillness. Does this making any sense?
Lawrence: I understand. Yeah, that can happen. Sure. Yeah. I used to – I developed some healing sounds in the ‘80s. I used to lie down and listen to them them myse myself lf beca becaus use e I find find them them very very helpf elpful ul for for me as well. ell. And And sometimes, I go through a phase of turbulence and then I found I became aware of the part of myself that was behind the turbulence and then the turbulence lost its relevance. It’s a bit like becoming aware that you’re depressed and then no longer being depressed about it. It felt like that kind of thing. [Indiscernible] [0:18:28] [0:18:28] . Beryl: Yeah. I would – yeah. It’s like a kind of a coming home kind of a feeling. Lawrence: Yeah, I see. Melanie: Actually, that reminds me of an experience I had with this as well which – and I expected it – the experience will be different for everyone in different every time but when I first listened to it, I’ll go back to that word, discordance that Beryl brought up. It’s not that it brought up discordant thoughts thoughts or things I didn’t want to think about but I was present with things 8 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
that perhaps I would not have thought of as calming, relaxing, or easy to think about. But somehow, the music made it easy just to be with it without any any thou thoug ght or perc ercepti eption on or prec precon onc ceive eived d idea ideas. s. And that that it just ust evaporated into this deep silence.
Lawrence: Yeah. Pamela Wilson, who I follow very much in spiritual life, has this rather wonderful way of looking at things that it’s our aversions that really are the key to going into the harmony sometimes and the things we need to do with, not just the visual state but the things that visual states bring up in turn that help liberates that are important. So maybe that’s what – maybe aversion and discordance are – we need to look at the minus sometimes sometimes in our lives in order to get to the real – the expanse that comes from the nothingness and the emptiness. Nothingness and emptiness after [0:20:21] . I know from my study of Math, it’s actually all is a [indiscernible] [0:20:21] zero, right? So it isn’t positive or negative. Melanie: Yes. There e aren aren’t ’t many many peop people le who who will ill pay pay for for works orksho hop p on Lawrence: Ther nothingness but that’s what they really need. Wearing means you get to nothingness. I’m not such a big carrot. But nonetheless, it should be.
Melanie: And it’s important to know that you have to embrace the things that you consider to be negative as well in order to get that balance. Yeah. Lawrence: Pamela told a lovely story about how this man is entertaining joy. Joy comes to visit him and they’re sitting there having a lovely conv conver ersa sati tion. on. And And they they’re ’re drink drinkin ing g some some wine wine and and they they are are enjo enjoyi ying ng themselves. And suddenly, there’s a knock at the door. And the man gets the door and he says, “Who are you?” And she says, “I’m sadness.” He said, “Well, you can’t come in.” She says, “But she and I are one. We are sisters. We are one. We are not separate.” And I think it’s a beautiful story. Melanie: Yeah. Beryl: The duality. Lawrence: Yeah, yeah. Beryl: Well of course then, in nothingness, there’s everything too. 9 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
Lawrence: Absolutely. In Maths we might say, that zero and infinity is the same but that’s not quite true mathematically. But in a way, it is because we realized when we get in touched with nothingness that what did they say? “Be careful – all things come to he who waits or she.” So, not just one or two things but all things, right? Beryl: Well, a friend of mine talks about the seed of an apple. If you cut open an apple, you cut open the seed, there’s nothing and yet, there’s everything that that seed needs to know how to grow into an apple tree. Lawrence: I got the symbolism. I would probably explore that further but maybe in another time. Beryl: Yeah. Melanie: So having mentioned your other skill as a Maths tutor, how do you if it’s all combined your music with learning? OK. So some some music usic I bega began n to real realiz ize e that hat ther there e was a Lawrence: OK. connection between the kids enjoying themselves and their receptivity to being able to work better and learn more effectively and it led me to write an article called Maximum Happiness With Maximum Concentration Concentration . In the ‘80s, no one tell jokes when they were teaching Maths. But now apparently, even even clas classe ses, s, there there are teac teache hers rs some someti time mes s tell tell jokes jokes becaus because e they they realized this is ridiculous. You can’t put an old face and do the stuff even though Math has a – and Math also is society’s Syria. It’s a fall guy for society because everyone looks to Math, it’s like something out of the Wizard of Oz. Everyone looks to Mathematics as being this wonderful sort of indicator of a kid’s intelligence which is completely upside down and rubbish because many people do perfectly well without learning Maths, perfectly well. And it’s only one aspect of using even the logical mind let alone the deeper mind. I love what Ken Robinson says about Math, he says, “In the subject-driven education system. We got a subject-driven education system where the Arts are right at the bottom which is terrible. Maths comes at the top.” Why? Because it’s everyone’s insecurity and I dare not mention at parties that I’m a Maths tutor because it caused, well, what happened as a bad in school. We’re not fun of them anyway. They say, “Oh Math.” So I say, “I’m a 10 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
composer.” That’s much easier for people to digest. They think it’s – at least there’s hope in there.
Beryl: So, with some of the students who come to you for their Math situation, some of them will be there because they’re struggling with their Maths. Lawrence: Right. Beryl: Some I guess because they’re very good and want extra. But with those that are struggling, what is the issue for most of them do you think? different types. I must have taught a thousand Lawrence: There are many different private students by now and I’ve got a handful at the moment for instance who are very resistant to learning at all even sitting down at the table, some of them. They won’t even – there is something about the – this is probably colostrum damage because they’ve been told that they have to do this. And the way in which they have been told that is less than ideal. So there’s damaged from teachers. There’s emotional reaction to study too. Most kids have good genes and brains now but they have emotional funny stuff around learning because of how they’ve experienced the so-called elders helping them with it. So, there are many, many things happened. I’ll give you one example without mentioning his name. He is a boy that is obsessed with drawing. He loves drawing pictures, images. He can produce cartoons without any effort at all. There’s part of him like a waterfall. And I found teaching him is very difficult because he would – he almost writhed in agony. He would put his head head on the desk esk or fiddl iddle e with ith any anythin thing g he could ould find. ind. And And then then I discovered if I got – we created a joint fantasy from princes. He had a rubber on the table he was always fiddling with. He drew a picture on the rubber and we now have this character called Mr. Rubber and we have these stories about Mr. Rubber. And we have a conversation with Mr. Rubber. And because he is engaging his right brain or whatever it is they call it, he is more relaxed and he is now plowing through his times tables doing very well indeed because he is just – he feels he is being treated like a real person. Stuff like that. 11 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
Beryl: This is a key, isn’t it to learning well, to be in a relaxed state. Lawrence: Absolutely, yes. None of us would consider doing something if we were too wind up or stressful. stressful. We put it down and going to get a cup of tea. But kids don’t seem to have that option sometimes. Beryl: And especially when there a lot of expectations on you that you have to live up to, it’s not the easiest thing to just relax into it, is it? Lawrence: No. I think all three of us have suffered an education system. It’s not designed to help state of mind. They’re only looking at the results part mostly. There are some good teachers around. I shouldn’t be saying that but you know what I mean. The casualty is huge. Melanie: And so, it sounds like there needs to be a top-picking school on being able to concentrate or at least teaching the importance of relaxed concentration. Beryl: So, can I ask you something else, Lawrence? It’s just come in to my head so it must be the right thing. Lawrence: Sure. OK. Beryl: There is a school of thought that to play music to yourself while trying to – while learning can be of benefit if it’s a particular type of music. Am I right there? Have you heard that? eah, the the work ork of Os Osttrand rander er & Schr Schroe oede der, r, Schr Schroe oede der r Lawrence: Yeah, docum document entin ing g Bulg Bulgari arian an exper experim iment ents, s, 2000 2000 words ords per per day of a forei foreign gn langu language age sync synchro hroni nizi zing ng the the heart heartbea beatt and and the the breat breath h to the the temp tempo o of Baroque music.
Beryl: Gosh. Say that again slowly. Two thousand words a day. rds a day of a forei reign langu anguag age e by Lawrence: Two thousand words synchronizing the breath to the tempo of Baroque music while silently or softly hearing the words spoken on the headphones. They achieved these results. The average person can learn 200 but some people managed 2000. This is documented 30 years ago. I don’t know why it hasn’t been taken up. 12 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
Beryl: Fascinating. Lawrence: So yes, it can help because it’s the brainwave state and the deepest state of mind when we’re relaxed. When we’re receptive, we trust. If you don’t – if a kid comes from a family that’s loving and warm and end up in a school who has hired this teacher because they can get them cheaply straight straight out of a university university with no experience experience then you’re creating creating an emotional friction between the kids and the teacher. You’re going to create the opposite of that trust. The degree of the profit of the school is going to create bruises on the kids and the teacher. Beryl: So you’re saying if the teachers perhaps are a bit anxious because it’s their first teaching job and they’re not quite sure and they don’t know if they can control the class, that anxiety is going to be transmitted to the children. Lawrence: Yeah. It’s a bit like a prison for everybody. There could be in school a separate subject, which is to do with study methods and how to approach study and how to approach learning. I think the schools will be initially afraid of that because they think it’s going to spoil their results. It’s the same insecurities we have sometimes of trusting and letting go of life. The school is having the biggest scale. Melanie: So, here we are talking about trusting and letting go of life which is one of the effects, certainly the effects that I experienced listening to it and I think we can say the same about you, Beryl, even though we don’t know what it is we’re letting go of. And of course, you do quite a lot of improvisation with your music. I’m wondering whether having sort of talked around it for a while, you could give us just a quick blast. I noticed you’ve got your piano there behind you. A quick improvised blast. Lawrence: Let me see if the lead stretches to the piano. Improvisation I do a lot. It’s something I find very soothing for myself. It just about stretches I think. Melanie: Yeah. We can just about hear you. Lawrence: OK. 13 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
[Music playing] [0:31:14 – 0:32:28]
Beryl: Beautiful. Melanie: Thank you. Beryl: Beautiful, Lawrence. Thank you. Lawrence: Pleasure. I couldn’t smile at the camera but … Beryl: It was lovely. Lawrence: Thank you. Melanie: So, there’s a thought going through my head and I don’t know how appropriate a question it is to ask but I’m thinking to myself, myself, “I wonder what’s steering or what’s moving inside you while you’re giving birth to that?” Lawrence: OK. Melanie: Is that a question that can even be answered? Lawrence: Well, I could be poetic because it’s the inner part of me. It’s not in the realm of science. I don’t think. Science doesn’t do with these things too well. Yeah, it’s ultimately love, isn’t it? Because when you love doing something, it engages all of you and it is contagious and it’s – it frees us. It frees us from whatever it is we might have been worried about or anxious about or whether it was an appropriate question or not or … Melanie: Well, it’s giving me an answer I can run with because having listened – I’m thinking, I wonder what’s steering, what’s emerging? And yes, you’ve given me an answer which sort of make sense and I suppose make sense in terms of the impact of the music because it’s something that for me, entered through my upper torso and it definitely isn’t something you try and make sense of. You just have to immerse yourself in the experience of it. Beryl: I find it very peaceful. I mean this is one of the most relaxed interviews we’ve done. And yet, there’s part of my brain saying, “But I don’t 14 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
understand it all.” But that feels OK. I just wonder if you have sometimes the experienced that because you’re in a very heart space space a lot of the time, Lawrence …
Lawrence: Yeah. Beryl: … how some – when you meet people who don’t get what you do and it’s not that easy to get what you do for most people, how do they react to you? Do you – I’m not explaining this very well. But you’re this very peaceful energy, this very love, peace, joy kind of energy and if people come in to your space, the opposite of that, is there a kind of – do they resist you? Do you find that Lawrence? Lawrence: The universe will always send us our aversions. It’s part of the way it works where you attract the things that we’re polarized against and the things we’re polarized towards, some sort of magnetic effect. I was going through a phase where I was feeling very anti-doctors and antipharmaceuticals. And then one of my best ever students I was asked to teach and both his parents are doctors and I discovered that both of them were really nice people and even though they were doctors, they were still very aware of the shortcomings of the medical profession and very aware of the pushiness and the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry. That’s quite interesting. I think we will always attract people and it happens to me. Sometimes it’s testing us out to see if we can reach the humanity in somebody rather than being being ident identif ifie ied d with with the things things we have have in comm common on with with them them on the the surface. So that’s what I would say. I don’t look upon anyone who’s being negative. I think one of my students last year, her father was a major supporter of the Tory Party. But people I wouldn’t normally consider a bona fide human beings but I learned through having taught her and her sister that this family is very – I hope they don’t watch this, they’re incredibly lovely family and they’re always very gracious towards me particularly the older one, works extremely hard, made very good use of what I taught her. So I think there’s always always – we are not one dimensional beings that there is always more dimensions that are really wonderful and that even if one – I’m trying to think of a more extreme example. One of my ex-clients is furiously against a lot of the new physics that I’m into. I made the mistake of sending him a few [indiscernible] [0:37:52] email about one of them just to see 15 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
what would happen and it was like, the Titanic capsizing. It was mild in comparison. So one – you don’t have to be aware if one is an open person. But I think not just aware to protect oneself, aware that sometimes to understand what it means to help oneself become more flexible and not simply think of them as the enemy and not think of them as the enemy at all really. They’re there for a purpose.
Melanie: So … Beryl: Go Melanie. Melanie: So you just touched on your interest in the new physics. Perhaps, you could begin to introduce that in the context of how you see that and free energy, which we know you’re very passionate about, how you see the relationship between all of that and what your music generates or is? Lawrence: Yeah. Well, as people probably realized who studied esoteric and spiritual books and also study science, realized there’s a huge gap between the official establishment version of what reality is to the point of even the so-called major well-known scientists completely blind to these inner ner dim dimensi nsions ons in many cases. es. And my musi usic addre ddres sses that energet energetica ically lly because because I’m – I’ve I’ve always always been been interes interested ted in that having having studied science at school and teaching physics sometimes. So for me, I sort of embody someone who is aware of this discrepancy between the establishment and official view of the world. And if you study any of the people who have gone beyond the veil with science either because they have been involved in top secret stuff in the military and have come come out out of the the wood woodwo work rk or beca becaus use e they they have have been been rese resear arch chin ing g themselves and they’re unafraid to come forward, you find that what we know as electromagnetic field is only a small part of what people already are working with in secret. So, we hear a lot of things about free energy although no one has really – I don’t think we’ve had a public demonstration yet. There is one coming up next month in Belgium. It’s very hard because it threatens the national economies if you have energy devices to circumvent the power grid then 16 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
you’re going to have loss of taxes and that’s something which this guy in Belgium is even addressing. The idea that we can produce energy from the vacuum state is similar to the principle that if you meditate, your life and your body will be re-punished from invisible source or from God or how He put it. So these things all connect up. People who meditate meditate can very understand the idea of a box in your room, in your home that produces free energy. Most conventional scientists now will get crossed or cynical or extremely condescending if we even mention it. But after the public demonstration, I think we’re going to see some major changes in people’s belief systems.
Beryl: You’re talking about Keshe, is it Keshe? Lawrence: Yes. Beryl: The Uranian. Lawrence: He’s the one who seems to be more of us and other people. I don’t think he’s BS. I think that from what I’ve seen, he’s a genuine. And there’s a consensus of certain people in America who feel that he and about four others are already at the front of this movement. Beryl: And I want to ask you something about the timing of all this and perhaps the shift in consciousness that is allowing for these new ideas to come in, Lawrence. Lawrence: Yes. We’re all hearing about 2012 being in alignment to the center of the galaxy. And the Mayan Prophecies of course where you have these nine levels of evolution and we’re right at the end of the ninth one which is speeding up. Each one speeds up far faster than the previous one acco accord rding ing to the the May Mayan inte interpr rpret etat atio ions ns.. So peopl people e like like Call Callem eman an and James, I forgot his name. Anywa Anyway y yeah, eah, it’s it’s this this idea idea that that the worl world d is chang changin ing g very very quick quickly ly.. I certainly feel that things are accelerating in the fields I’m in particularly with people’s personal lessons. I think the personal lesson seems to be the [Indiscernible] [0:43:01] of it. We’re all feeling the shit is hitting the fun for the world and for us and we can even not see the shit. We can see there’s 17 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
an uneducated pause for ourselves like I said before with the aversions. I definitely think this is happening. Keshe is releasing his – he’s going to make a public demonstration of antigravity he says, December 14th, which is one week before the solstice which is why the galactic point happens. So that’s very interesting. I don’t know if he chose it consciously. But we are in a very interesting time. And the big challenge for me is to know what to do with every minute of my day because one still has to look after the bank account.
Melanie: Oh, I see. You mean you can get so involved in this that you get your priorities wrong, is that what you’re saying? Lawrence: I don’t know. My friend, Pamela Wilson, says, “You just lie back in your love boats and trusting God.” And I guess that’s my – the closest I get to a principle. So not for the faint-hearted, these days. We all have to be courageous and deal with what – someone once said, “Can you afford to go on holiday?” holiday?” And they said, “I can’t afford afford not to go on holiday.” And I think that’s what this new consciousness is about. It’s not really what we can afford. It’s about what we can’t afford not to do. Melanie: Exactly. Beryl: Fascinating, Lawrence and very calming. Lawrence: Good. Melanie: Speaking of which because time is coming rapidly to an end, can you just tell us a little bit about your experience of playing, delivering your music to meditational groups? Playing to people who have the intent to meditate is very Lawrence: Sure. Playing humbling because I had to deal with my own noise and also deliver. It’s a very powerful metaphor for a musical performer. You see these people up there radiating divine and angelic energy with hundred thousands of people and you think to yourself, “Oh, how wonderful.” But what they don’t realize is they have to deal with their own noise in the system in order to get to the purity of that. So that was my challenge. And I guess to repeat exposure to that sort of experience, I learned to be – to honor that more deeply. Yeah. 18 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
Melanie: I recall you telling us about a piece of music you were composing. I don’t know what it was, an improvised piece then that – and the effects it had on you or certainly the environment you are in whilst you were putting it together. Can you relate that story? Lawrence: Yeah. I’ve been sitting for half an hour dealing with my own noise more than usual in this occasion during the time I was playing – duri during ng the occ occasi asion that that I was play playin ing g for for [Indiscernible] [0:46:29] meditation group in the early days where there were only nine people in it, before she had the hundreds that came later. And suddenly, it was as if I came to a clearing in the forest. And although it was improvising with the tape recorder on, this piece came out intact, note for note, the way I will play it for you now. And it was accompanied by the most unusual multisensory presence and the most striking feature of this presence was that it was as if the room had been been floo floode ded d with ith a scen scentt of rose roses s, very very,, very very rich rich,, deep deep kind kind of red red sensation and perfume. And I wasn’t concentrating so much on that but I was aware of it powerfully. It was very, very pleasant indeed. But – so I was making sure that the notes came out right. And that that was the most extreme. I mean it happens to me quite often when I’m working. There’s this sort of energy there. But this was the most pronounced breakthrough in that realm.
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Lawrence: So, this is the song with the rose. [Music playing] [0:48:11 – 0:50:30]
Beryl: Beautiful Lawrence. Melanie: A big round of applause. Lawrence: Thank you. Beryl: And Lawrence, just for – I’m not sure you can hear me right now. Lawrence: Yes. Beryl: For those listening by podcast, could you just tell us what that instrument was that you were playing so beautifully? Lawrence: It’s a Saz and the other people should know too. Beryl: Yes, like me. I was trying to be a bit clever there. Lawrence: No, it’s a S-A-Z. No, it’s good to be clever. Beryl: S-A-Z. Lawrence: Remind them that they’re being – it’s good to remind people who driving their car or – by the way, don’t listen too hard to that on the cars. It’s too late to warn people. It’s nice to make people aware that you’re thinking about them, right? Beryl: Well, this has been a lovely, lovely, enjoyable hour that we’ve spend with you, Lawrence. Melanie: And relaxing. Beryl: Very relaxing. I hope you’ve enjoyed it too. Lawrence: Fabulous, yes. Thank you so much. 20 http://www.wiredforsuccess.tv
another occasion occasion with Beryl: I’m sure there’s more that we can explore on another you.
Lawrence: No, no, you’ve blown it. Sorry. I’ve blow blown n it. it. OK. OK. I’m I’m goin going g to have have to do some some hear heartt spac space e Beryl: I’ve meditation now.
Melanie: You should need to now. Beryl: If people want to find out more about what you’re doing, Lawrence and you are a fascinating individual and I know I could listen to you for hours and explore other ideas with you. Lawrence: Very kind of you. Beryl: Where is the best place for people to find you, Lawrence? Lawrence: On the web, I assume you mean. Beryl: I don’t think you want people knocking on your door right now. Meditationalmusic. usic.net, net, you can sample a lot of my music there Lawrence: Meditationalm and watch videos I’ve made and a lot of different things. I mean you can buy downloads there. If you people want to purchase CDs, they should approach me privately or the Method Music Album that Pete Townshend helped record. There’s There’s a lot of work went into that, three years of work and I’m very, very pleased with that. That’s on Amazon on iTunes, you’ll find it under Method Music it’s called.
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