Nichiro wrote:
Respected Sudhaama ji, Guru in any bhava destroys the bhava (to a grater/lesser extent as per its shadb ala strength) It is Guru's aspect which is beneficial and not occupancy. So as a thumb rule, I usually check the bhavas aspected by Guru . Exactly opposite is Sani Bhagwan. Sani increases the Bhava he occupies and destroys the bhava he aspects with 3rd, 7th and 10th Dristi. Your point about Deergha Sumangali S umangali Bhava ashirwadam is wonderful. By blessing a lady people increase her Mangalya sukham and give longer life to husband (a sort of pariharam?) Nichiro
Yes. Yes... You are Radically correct on the Opposite qualities of Guru.. By ASPECTS...Guru enhances the values of the House ... while the Sani weakens. By OCCUPANY...Guru weakens... while Sani Enhances. I remember to have read a Varaha-mihira Sloka on such a Thumb-rule. Thu mb-rule. But such a Thumb-rule works opposite by b y END-RESULT... ...while the respective Houses are the Neecha (Debilitate) ones for the concerned planet. So to mean..if the Placement of Guru is at its Neecha-House Makara from Lagna (Mithuna) .. or... ... if the Sani is placed at Kumbha / Kanya / Rishaba... when one of them is the 8th house... aspecting its Neecha-House Mesha... e (1) Faces series of Hurdles, Difficulties, Sufferings including the worst poverty, losses but ultimately miraculously gets retrieved towards Success.... ...and / or... (2) Escapes several serious accidents and finally succumbs to a minor accident.
...and / or.. (3) Lives long-life... with sufferings and disappointments... but ultimately leads Glorious days during his last part of life. One more important factor... in case of both Good and Bad due to such an effect.... Guru renders the Good first followed by the Bad effects... Sani renders the Bad first and then the Good... as due. But such predictions are pertaining to such a SINGLE FACTOR of 8th House. Depending upon other factors of the horoscope, influenced by other planets... ...the degree and intensity may vary as also be reduced or nullified. ...But in case of any Lucky person, we can note the BENEFICIAL EIGHTH House.
Why Hindus BLESS Males & Females DIFFERENTLY?
Nichiro wrote:
tfmlover/Selvakumar, Guru in 8th will never give lon g life unless it is weak and other indications of Lagna lord being strong are the re. Mars in 12th gives a stormy relationship with wife. Men with 1 2th Mars are generally Hyper sexual. Mama will have a troubled married life. Elder brother of such men with Mars in 12th have short temper and the y speak harshly. Father's brothers (uncles) are quarrelsome. Generally these attributes are seen from Lagna. In ab sence of proper birth time/ weak lagna , see these attributes from Moon.
Beautiful analysis. Thanks Mr Nichiro... My request to all my friends... Let us not jump here and there... without completing an y one point taken up. Now the points under consideration... CONTINUING and Incomplete are...
...and / or.. (3) Lives long-life... with sufferings and disappointments... but ultimately leads Glorious days during his last part of life. One more important factor... in case of both Good and Bad due to such an effect.... Guru renders the Good first followed by the Bad effects... Sani renders the Bad first and then the Good... as due. But such predictions are pertaining to such a SINGLE FACTOR of 8th House. Depending upon other factors of the horoscope, influenced by other planets... ...the degree and intensity may vary as also be reduced or nullified. ...But in case of any Lucky person, we can note the BENEFICIAL EIGHTH House.
Why Hindus BLESS Males & Females DIFFERENTLY?
Nichiro wrote:
tfmlover/Selvakumar, Guru in 8th will never give lon g life unless it is weak and other indications of Lagna lord being strong are the re. Mars in 12th gives a stormy relationship with wife. Men with 1 2th Mars are generally Hyper sexual. Mama will have a troubled married life. Elder brother of such men with Mars in 12th have short temper and the y speak harshly. Father's brothers (uncles) are quarrelsome. Generally these attributes are seen from Lagna. In ab sence of proper birth time/ weak lagna , see these attributes from Moon.
Beautiful analysis. Thanks Mr Nichiro... My request to all my friends... Let us not jump here and there... without completing an y one point taken up. Now the points under consideration... CONTINUING and Incomplete are...
...TWO... One by HOUSE ..another by PLANET. (1) The effect of EIGHTH BHAVA (House) . (2) The effect of GURU in different Bhavas. Let us complete these.... then take any other next point... as you all may choose. Continuing on the EIGHTH HOUSE... This Bhava is also concerned with ACCIDENTS, ACC IDENTS, and MANGALYA-BHAVA for Women.... as also LUCK. Why in India... the Elders Bless the Youngsters DIFFERENTLY? .. saying ...
... DHEERGA- AYUSHMAN BHAVA... (Wish You Long Life) in case o f Males...and ....DHEERGA SUMANGALI BHAVA...(Wish you Long Married Life) in case of Women.!! The intention is to NULLIFY THE (Probable) BAD E FFECTS...of the Eighth Bhava... ... so to mean...Free of HURDLES...DIFFICULTIES... ACCIDENTS... WIDOW- HOOD ..indirectly WISHING both.. THE BEST OF LUCK and PROSPERITY.!!!
tfmlover/Selvakumar, Guru in 8th will never give long life unless it is weak and other indications of Lagna lord being strong are there. Mars in 12th gives a stormy relationship r elationship with wife. Men with 12th Mars are generally Hyper sexual. Mama will have a troubled married life. Elder brother of such men with Mars in 12th have short temper and they speak harshly. Father's brothers (uncles) are quarrelsome.
Generally these attributes are seen from Lagna. In absence of proper birth time/ weak lagna , see these attributes from Moon.
guru in 8th house sexual relationship is more like spiritual connection but if mars in 12 its just secret affairs unethical cheating kinky ! ? same with guru in 12 th house secret sex affairs too . is it true they dont want to marry discreet connections alone satisfactry ? also mars in 8th house give accidents but guru streches life in 8th house . nichiri pls tell me bit about mars in 1 2 th house if you can .
8th - house of other people's money , tax , death and rebirth , sex ( small death ), financial spiritual support ,partnership psychological and spiritual death , gambling , inheritance, ,rituals , secrets and tranformation . die and reborn to next level or life after death, reincarnation ,interested in religious occult or the psychic issues , dowry . Unearned wealth and long life too . and if guru in 8th house one w ill be lucky in those areas . i am a sudent too . i always heard guru in 8th house people lived beyond 95
Selvakumar, 6th house is opposite of expenditure. 12th is shaiya sukha sthanam as well as expenditure. Guru in 12th, IMHO and experience is detrimental to marriage as Guru destroys the house he occupies. In fact it is only the aspect of Guru which is good and not his occupancy. Guru in 8th is very bad for longevity and I have many examples of short life peo ple 's charts having Guru in 8th.
12th is the house of EXPENSES, hence expenses will be destroyed. Meaning savings will increase and income will also increase. Same house is house of BED PLEASURES. This Guru will destroy Shaiya sukham. I have many charts to prove it. 6th Guru means (6th house is one of the houses for income) hence it is detrimental to income.
Dear Nichiro, Thanks for making this discussion more lively... and R ICH. (1) Any Astrological conclusion has to be arrived.. . (a) not only by the placement of a Planet in a particular house... b) but also the ownership of that house plus the relation with planet under consideration as well as (c) other planets aspecting it...and also... (d) the Kaarakathwam (Committed-Performane)of the Panet concerned... etc. Thus the placement of Guru in the 6th house...if it be RISHABA or THULA the Sukra's... being Guru's Enemy...will make vast diiference, ... from the cases of MESHA or VIRISCHIKA... the Houses of Mars the friend... ...as well as the cases of MEENAM or DHANUSU... Guru's own Houses... ...and KATAKA...Guru's Ucha (Exaltation) House... ... far more different in MAKARA...his Neecha-(Debilitation) House. (2) Another point I am unable to understand how you say... that the 6th house relates to income!
In fact it relates to DEBTS... and Concealed wealth... adding constant Worries... the Negative aspects of INCOME. (3) I have never heard of Guru affecting Saiya-Sukham by its aspecting the 12th House...(related to Bed-pleasures also). In fact by its beneficiary factor aspecting... it must fortify the 12th Bh ava.!.. Is it Not? How the basic Law and Aspecting-Quality of Guru... works contrary here.?.. ...Sorry, I am unable to follow your point
Rahu in 6th increases the enemies but it always gives the person special ability to overcome/defeat t he enemies. Rahu in 12th is found to be un happy situation. It sometimes makes a person whimsical, interested in
extramarital affairs, cheating wife, govt, Problems , problems with co workers etc. Each chart needs to be studied in isolation. Generalities do not always apply.
SIGNIFICANCE OF 12TH HOUSE The 12th house in a horoscope encompasses matters that signify material loss. In practice, any house that is in the 12th from another, would signify loss regarding matters governed by that house. In other words, any given house would indicate loss to the m atters governed by the house that lies next to it. So, the seeds for triggering a loss in efforts, courage and communication (ruled by the 3rd house) lie in the 2nd house, loss of conjugal bliss and marital harmony (ruled by 7th house) may be studied from the 6th, and loss of fortune and poise (spiritual equilibrium signified by the 9 th house) may be studied from the 8 th house since it lies in a chart in the 12 th house from the 9 th! The 12th house, therefore, is not a very easy house in materialistic te rms; however, there exist hints in ancient texts that indicate the spiritual significance of the 12th house! It is a house of paramount importance in the horoscopes of religious figures and asc etics. Confusingly, though, it has also been vested with attributes and matters such as 'pleasures of the couch' - happy rest s the head that has nothing that remains to be lost, I suppose! Other things that may be studied from the 12 th house include the state of one's sleep, dwelling and wandering in lands foreign to one, karmic burdens, investment expenses, institutions and similar issues.
Generally speaking, one's spiritual growth, also known as the quest for knowing oneself, gets a kick star t in a major way when one faces 'choices' that pertain to losing something or someone who is extremely dear. During most spiritual journeys, a time comes when one's attachments and clinging must be challenged and subsequently shed. Invariably, experiences at such points in time prove to be the pivots around which the wheel of spiritual progress turns! Whether one actually suffers the loss or merely faces the possibilities of such, and the degre e of metamorphosis that such an event or e ventuality can bring within oneself, varies between individuals, the profundity of the effect, however, is felt unambiguously. We can perhaps say that the 12th house signifies the material price that one must pay in order to reap spiritual gains. Obviously, the two 'realities' or realms of awareness hardly enj oy any equivalence in values. What might sound like a terrible loss when awareness is focused in the materialistic plane might not automatically signify something of equal positive or negative value in the spiritual! Planets that are associated with the 12th house in a horoscope, for instance those that are located in the 12th, are important indicators of the materialistic areas that need work so t hat one may reap spiritual benefits. The natural significance (role; karakattwa) of such a planet must be taken into account, as well as those things signified by its rulership over houses in the given horoscope. The sun represents the individuality and ego (which can readily become EGO!) and by virtue of being placed in the 12th house would signify the lure of EGO, WHICH must be overcome by the nativity before any real spiritual advancement can commence. This would be even more so, should Leo be rising in the ascendant, thereby imparting the sun with a natural and te mporal or chart-specific focus as during double duty as a significators of the self and ego, two keywords that are primarily studied from the first house! Should such a situation (sun in cancer in a Leo rising nativity) be present in a chart where Saturn the epitome of humbleness rises, the path towards self-effacement becomes harder and not e asier! The task, signified by the sun in the 12t h remains the same, but the expression and self-perception, thanks to the Saturn in ascendant, lulls one into minimizing the extent of the t ask! "After all, how much more humble can one appear", is what such a nativity feels? The mantra for someone with such a horoscopy signature obviously is to 'become' humble and not merely be contented with simply "appearing" to be humble! For someone who is born with V enus in the 12th, the battle becomes one that is fought less at the mental level! Indeed, such may be the plethora of artifacts of pleasure, luxury and distractions that one finds the time and opportunities to think about the soul, much later in the game of earthly existence, perhaps through finding a parental role! While this may not be cast in stone, more often than not, when one is born with a planet in the 12th
house, one is almost assured of 'reminders' from the spirit! These reminders may appear in one o f many different forms, but generally are unmistakable and quite often persistent. These could occur during significant transits, and during the periods of dasha (the Vedic system of timing using a special form of progression of the natal moon) of planets situated in the 12th house as well as during periods of planets in the stars ruled by planets that are associated with the 12th. One may choose to treat the 12th house as ones enemy and may try to reduce its impact but running and hiding in the game of spiritual evolution merely delays the inevitable, namely, that growth and maturity is the birthright of the soul and is best handled by facing rather t han turning away from opportunities for growth that challenge us throughout life
At my 18`s i dont belives in astrology even in god. my eduction was got interrupted due to some unimaginable factors, i was very shocked and dissappointed at that time, my brain stops working. i was tried my best but i dont succeeded.after 2 yr period of desperation & unsucces i face a good time when i was selected in a exam.after 1 yr of good time, i also face another bad time of 2 yr i cant imagine that , but this time was not too bad compairing to first.i learn a lot during these bad periods. i lost all my best freinds (they leaves me cause my unsuccessness that time) but i got more reliable friends then the old was,who helped me in tough time. one of my best freinds brother is of angry nature, where ever h e goes he always gets a panga with others, not a single day i heard that he lived peacefully. so my freinds mother consult a atrologer, he told that the moon in his horoscope is very weak,he advised them to wear him a big pearl , after apply this add what immediately happend i dont know because i was fully concentrate on my exams that time.after one month around when i met him i heard a positive results from his family members and neighbours. that is an incidence after that i realized something is true in indian astrology. i also met the astrologer and asked him why i faced disturbance in education, he replies at that time i was influenced by the dasha of ketu which sits in my horoscope in 5`th house(a house related with education, mind-power, sons of native etc.). a many private things he told me about my past time was also true. 10 years passed to this incidence, through that day to till day i am studied various books on astrology, not only study but through practical i am reached on this conclusion that this shastra is able to explain that we could not able to sense through our limited powered sensible organs(eves,ears,nose,etc.)
the modern science & its principles are mainly based on the conclusions we received & observed by our limited sensible organs thats wh y modern science does not able to found any reality in astrology. though i am an electronic engineer, deeply belives in astrology & modern science too, i reads a lots of indian spiritual books ( including swami vivekanand ,ramkrishna paramahansa, osho,swami dayanand saraswati & many about indian history) reached on the conclusion that the jyotish shastra (that was told the eyes of the vedas) was being very popular at our old ages, & though its popularity there were also be many quakes( same that now a days we saw many quake doctors pratising in rural areas), who becomes astrologer reading only one or two books, were the main reasons to lowering the prestige of jyotish in the public. jyoish is not a science it is a vigyan(sanskrit) by practising of that one could got vidya ( ya vidya va vimuktaye). in vedas it is told vidya is the one who meets u to the god. for vidya u dont need any teaching( shiksha) but its a plus point to get vidya. shiksha (knowledge related to any matter on these physical world), vidya(knowledge which motivate anyones to the god i.e. creator of the physical world) many peoples does not distinguish between shiksha & vidya they think both are same(i was also when i dont know any thing about indian sprituality) .jyotish is a very holy vigyan that demands h oliness, purity, highest character qualites & moral values from its practitioners. if astrology is a psuedo science than why there are so many expensive softwares are developed by many talented software professionls & why there are so many astrological portals on web in this 21`st century. an y psuedo scinence does not have so much long life, if it is be a psuedo than no one on this earth can never ever heard name of the astrology in the past 1000 years. imagine anyone without a poetry inside him can enjoy a poem? imagine anyone without music inside him can enjoy a song? imagine anyone without a scientfic attitude in him can study science? think same for the astrology.
Dear Johntony, Nice. Thanks for the pains taken, to post narrative and outspoken presentation. With best Wishes, Sudhaama. Back to top
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... Best REMEDY... for Dosha-Jathakam.?
When some of the Horoscopes are having Doshas ...Defective / Ill-lucky / Deficient ...Astrologers used to prescribe some GRAHA-PREETHI / SANTHI / PARIHAARAAS... through Specific Manthras and Rituals. There are THREE MORE alternatives as solutions. One is by MANI-SASTHRA... Wearing the appropriate Gems on the body ...with Rings or some such jewels, conforming to t he advice of the Astrologer and Mani-sasthra Expert. Second one is... by fervent Prayer to God of ones own faith and choice, seeking remedy. Swami Thyagaraja says..."Graha-balam aemi?...Ramanugraha balamae balam... ..meaning..."If and when Rama-anugraham (God's grace) is available to a person, what Navagraha-strength can overpower? .. the MIGHTIEST.... can be... ONLY the GOD'S GRACE !!! Third alternative is the practical one... to P LEASE GOD...by INDIRECT SERVICE to Him... the easiest way. How?... By HUMANITARIAN SOCIAL SERVICE... since God is the Universal protector...it means sharing with His Noble-cause Out of several instances of my experiences, I quo te one ... the TRUE EVENT One poor man, a Temple-cook could not get his daughter married until her age 28, despite his strenuous efforts for about 10 years... ...only because the Girl's Horoscope was of KALATHRA-DOSHAM... serious impediment
affecting the marriage prospects He lamented to me one day... on his very first introduction itself . ...I advised him ..."The simplest solution is by RELEVANT Compensatory Social service, ...which alone can immensely please God EASILY.. and consequently fetch the DivineRemedy... ...So search out for another poor man like you who too is having SIMILAR PROBLEM of Kalathra-Dosham ... ... As you would do to your daughter... SINCERELY AND WHOLE- HEARTEDLY... ..by persuasion with the Groom's parents, highlighting the Bride's Plus - points in other aspects.... ...similarly you SERVE for that Parent's interests for their daughter... ...Then see the After-effect.... God will take care of you" Accordingly he did for three girls of different families and got them married... upto the immense satisfaction of those aliens. After some time, One day ...he being a Cook ...was employed for a Rich-girl's marriage... In the course of the day... he was called by a Stranger couple who said... "You see Mr. Krishna... We the Invitees for this marriage,. are quite rich.... Our only son o f 30 years, was refusing to marry until now. But I wonder he saw your daughter here and expressed his willingness to marry her. ..!! ... So, even though you are of very low status just as a cook, we are prepared to have your daughter married to our affectionate son of high status and good calibre... What do you say?" This cook could not believe his ears... Then, just for his satisfaction he consulted an Astrologer who said OK. The marriage was conducted in a grand scale at the Groom's expense... and now leading a Happy married life with children The girl was not so pretty but just of mediocre good-look. But what impressed the Boy... so as to prefer her? God alone knows.!!!... The Girl herself too feels...it is a MYSTERY.!!! Back to top
Sudhaama wrote: johntony wrote:
At my 18`s i dont belives in astrology even in god. my eduction was got interrupted due to some unimaginable factors, i was v ery shocked and dissappointed at that time, my brain stops working. i was tried my best but i dont succeeded.after 2 yr period of desperation & unsucces i face a good time when i was selected in a exam.after 1 yr of good time, i also face another bad time of 2 yr i cant imagine that , but this time was not too bad compairing to first.i learn a lot during these bad periods. i lost all my best freinds (they leaves me cause m y unsuccessness that time) but i got more reliable friends then the old was,who helped me in tough time. one of my best freinds brother is of angry n ature, where ever he goes he always gets a panga with others, not a single day i heard that he lived peacefully. so my freinds mother consult a atrologer, he told t hat the moon in his horoscope is very weak,he advised them to wear him a big pearl , after apply this add what immediately happend i dont know because i was fully concentrate on my exams that time.after one mont h around when i met him i heard a positive results from his family members and neighbours. that is an incidence after that i realized something is true in indian astrology. i also met the astrologer and asked him why i faced disturbance in education, he replies at that time i was influenced by the dasha of ketu which sits in my horoscope in 5`th house(a house related with education, mind-power,sons of native etc.). a many private things he told me about my past time was also true. 10 years passed to this incidance, through th at day to till day i am studied various books on astrology, not only study but through practical i am reached on this conclusion that this shastra is able to explain that we could not able to sense through our limited powered sensible organs(eves,ears,nose,etc.) the modern science & its principles are mainly based on the conclusions we received & observed by our limited sensible organs thats why modern science does not able to found any reality in astrology. though i am an electronic engineer, deeply belives in astrology & modern
science too, i reads a lots of indian spiritual books ( including swami vivekanand ,ramkrishna paramahansa, osho,swami dayanand saraswati & many about indian history) reached on the conclusion that the jyotish shastra (that was told the eyes of the vedas) was being very popular at our old ages, & though its popularity there were also be ma ny quakes( same that now a days we saw many quake doctors pratising in rural areas), who becomes astrologer reading only one or two books, were the main reasons to lowering the prestige of jyotish in the public. jyoish is not a science it is a vigyan(sanskrit) by practising of that one could got vidya ( ya vidya va vimuktaye). in vedas it is told vidya is the one who meets u to the god. for vidya u dont need any teaching( shiksha) but its a plus point to get vidya. shiksha (knowledge related to any matter on these physical world), vidya(knowledge which motivate anyones to the god i.e. creator of the physical world) many peoples does not distinguish between shiksha & vidya they think both are same(i was also when i dont know any thing about indian sprituality) .jyotish is a very holy vigyan that demands holiness, purity, highest character qualites & moral values from its practitioners. if astrology is a psuedo science than wh y there are so many expensive softwares are developed by many talented software professionls & why there are so many astrological portals on web in this 21`st century. any psuedo scinence does not have so much long life, if it is be a psuedo than no one on this earth can never ever heard name of the astrology in the past 1000 years. imagine anyone without a poetry inside him can enjoy a poem? imagine anyone without music inside him can enjoy a song? imagine anyone without a scientfic attitude in h im can study science? think same for the astrology.
Dear Johntony, Nice. Thanks for the pains taken, to post narrative and outspoken presentation. With best Wishes, Sudhaama.
Dear sir, i am not the right person for thanks, it should be given to the yogis & rishi-munis of india by
reading their literature i got some little knowledge abo ut astrology & sprituality. _________________ The most famous (widely spreaded all over the w orld) Bhagvad Geeta, By srila Prabhupada swami ji: "THE BHAGAVAD GEETA AS IT IS" pls find it on http://www.iskcon.com/books/bg/BhagavadGita.html
REVIVING ONE OF MY MOST LOVED THREADS IN THE HUB. I found this article very interesting which answers the main question on astrology Bill Gates' Future
1.Why aren't people who are born at the same time and place as Bill Gates rich like him? 2.What is special about Bill Gates? 3.What is the future of Bill Gates? 4.Money attracts money; poverty attracts poverty. Currently the breaking news is that Warren Buffet, the second richest man in the world, is giving most of his money (several billions of dollars) to the foundation of Bill Gates who as everyone knows is the richest man in the world for the past many years. Why would Warren Buffet give the money to Bill Gates’ foundation? Mr. Buffet’s answer is that if you want to play golf, play with Tiger Woods. Buffet’s thinking is that Bill is the right pe rson in the world of philanthropists and it is better to give the money to him so that the money would be properly used. True, no one can question the prudence of Buffet and in my opinion Mr. Buffet has made a good decision. I am writing this note to my readers who are interested in Vedic Astrology and I thought that I would raise some fundamental questions about the correctness of astrology itself using Bill Gates as an example. Bill Gates was born on October 28, 1955 at 21:15 in the city of Seattle, Washington. The following is his Vedic birth chart with the placement of various planets in different houses. Why aren't people who are born at the same time and place as Bill Gates rich like him?
The most fundamental question to ask is the following. There are people in Seattle, Washington born at the same time as Bill Gates. Why are they not as rich as Bill Gates or somewhere near to him? One might rightly assume that some of them born at the same time may very likely be poor as well. The natal charts of all those born at the same time will be identical. If at all there are some changes, it will be in the placement of the Moon which is the fastest moving planet. Even the Moon stays in one zodiac sign for about 2 ¼ days. This is an inconvenient question for astrologers. Assuming that some one carries out a research project to collect all the horoscopes of people born at Bill Gates’ birth time in Seattle and present it to a bunch of astrologers, how would they give their readings? Is astrology then a false science? No, it is not.
I have put the question to many renowned astrologers and no one gave me a satisfactory answer except one gentleman. His name is Unnikrishna Panikkar (click for recent article) from Kerala in Southern India. Mr. Panikkar is a divine astrologer and he practices a special form of Vedic astrology called Astamangalam Prasannam. (B.V. Raman, India’s most celebrated astrologer has published a translation of this unique form of astrology. Th e title is known as “Prasna Marga” in 2 Volumes). Panikkar told me that a person’s chart should be read in relation to six generations of his ancestors – in this case, Bill Gates’ father, his grandfather, his great, great grandfather, etc. going back six generations. The whole idea is that if Bill Gates is rich, it is not simply his doing. It is collectively the merit of six generations of his ancestors. Mr. Panikkar said that if your grandfather or great grandfather had been a bad guy who raped women and murdered someone or even deceived another, you end up paying for it. To the modern rational mind-set this seems to be unfair, but that is how things work in the world of the souls. Mr. Panikkar speaks about a unique soul genetics which is similar to DNA inheritance. Astamangalam astrology is an amazing science, but unfortunately there are only a few who are good at it and it is difficult to get hold of them to give you a reading. Mr. Panikkar became attracted to me for my spirituality and for about 2 years we have been good friends. What is special about Bill Gates' chart? Bill Gates is born at a very auspicious time. It is the thirteenth waxing Moon time and the Moon itself is on the star, Uttarabhadrapada. His incarnation is a d irect act of Lord Siva who is the God in charge of removing karma. Students who are following my teaching know that on the 13th Moon (Pradosham Day) during sunset time Siva removes the suffering of people. Like Siva, Bill Gates will alleviate the suffering of people. His birth star Uttarabhadrapada is ruled by Saturn and Hanuman. Saturn himself is in Libra exactly with a debilitated Sun and powerful Venus. The placement of these three planets in his Fifth House from the Ascendant c learly proves that Bill Gates is connected with the Divine, particularly Lord Siva. In order to have a fortunate life one should have a good Ascendant zodiac sign and the Lord this zodiac sign powerfully placed. Bill Gates has Gemini as the Ascendant and Mercury, the Lord of Gemini, is exalted in Virgo. Further, Ketu in the 12th house means that this will be Bill Gates’ last incarnation. What is the future of Bill Gates? Bill Gates had been born in India in many, many lifetimes and this memory will k ick in very soon for him. He will soon engage himself in researching the occult palm leaves called n adi leaves in Southern India which carries the cu re for so many diseases. This research will lead him to become spiritual for the rest of his life. He would soon thereafter be interested in physical immortality and the art of turning the body into light following the Tamil Siddha tradition. He will invest a lot of resources for research into physical immortality.
It is very likely that he may dramatically enter U.S . and world politics. He will be some sort of ruler – U.S. President? The entry will be dramatic and he will do a good job. Eventually Bill Gates will become a yogi and he will establish ashrams all over the world. He will bridge the gap between science and religion.
Money attracts money. Poverty attracts poverty. Bill Gates attracts money. Likewise the people in th e African countries, being already poor, attract only poverty. Is there a way out for the problem? Yes, there is. The answer is in remedial astrology.
uru in 9th and 7th are quite far different and in fact beneficial in contrast to its Negative-effect by location in other houses.. as I have learnt from Books, Experts as well as by practical observation too.
Sudhamma, I have seen GURU in the 7th house in Rajinikanth's horoscope. Lagna is Leo. Guru - 5th house and 8th house lord. I think we know very well about how RK's marriage life was Yes.. Practically I havenot seen much negative effect for people who have GURU in the 7th house and 9th house. But if we have to look as per the rules, I think NIchiro too has a point. I think it depends on lot of factors as you mentioned.
Sorry Selvakumar... On my comment as your "Same-side Goal"... it was my Typographical error to have mentioned as Guru in the 9th House .. It should be read as 7th.. My categorical stand is... that the General Formulae on Guru that he is a Parasite for any House he is located... ...does not apply to the Two Houses.. 7th and 9th... where by his location, the strtength of such a house is enhanced... ..as well as that the Guru in 7th and 9th becomes Benefic. The case of Mr Rajanikanth, the famous Tamil-cine-Actor... which you have quoted as of 7th
Guru... is a GOOD EXAMPLE for my stand.. He has an exceptionally Good wife... on which he is quite happy and proud says Rajni. And we are seeing how she has added glory to her husband by establishing and running under her management an Educational Institution of emulative Moral-values. All these are because of 7th house Guru... for the Husband Rajni.. Seventh house... KALHATHRA-STHAANAM... denotes only about the Wife and her qualities, HER APPROACH towards her husband etc... .. and NOT ON HOW THE HUSBAND WILL TREAT HER... ..Nor on how the Married-life will be....nor an y other relevant factor. For all such aspects on the Married-Life of the Horoscope-holder... ....IN ADDITION TO 7th HOUSE... ... we have to study... the 2nd( Kudumba-Sthaanam)... 12th (Sayana- Bhoga- Sthaanam)... 4th (Sukha- Sthaanam)... 8th (Saanthi- Sthaanam)...9th (Dharma / Bhaagya- Sthaanam)... also... .. as well as the Factors of the respective Kalhathra-Kaarakan... .. and the Factors of Mangala-Griha MARS too... All these concurrently. So, at any part of the past... if Rajni had not duly reciprocated to the degree of love and commitments of his Wife... or if the couple had misunderstandings or if they could not lead a Happy Married-Life... it is not due to Guru in the 7th... .. but because of some other factors... as quoted above...linked to Dasa-bhukthi. And those were the Events of Passing-clouds... resumed to Normalcy subsequently. If Guru at 7th were bad... the whole Life-time would have been affected.. because of the wife and not just a part only. For example Guru in Lagna is bad. ..as proved by the Reality of Lord Rama's Horoscope.... all through His Life.... ..especially because of His wife... Seetha.... even though a Glorious Wife.! I do not understand... why Mr Nichiro says that he will not discuss on Rama's Horoscope... being the "Chewed" one...!
In fact all Astrologers...even now-a-days... often quote Rama's Horoscope Nth time... as a Yardstick and Exemplary one ... ...rendering us unending amount of furthermore proofs on Reality of Life... anew every time... by means of deeper insights ..Similar to the Ocean...which is still quoted as example repeatedly by the Poets.. ...even though Ocean too is a "Chewed" Simile for the Poets, Scientists, Philosophers and Artists.! Lord Rama's Horoscope is the BEST ONE...any Human can afford to have. ...But still He suffered.!. WHY?. There lies the Logic of Astrology. Mankin d has to learn !!! . Back to top Nichiro Devoted Hubber
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 485 Location: Detroit Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:24 am
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Friends, This is 2nd instalment of an article I wrote about 3 or 4 years back on Guru. I hope you would like it.
Guru Bhagawan as Giver of DHI Intellectual Aura, Tejas, Brilliance of Dhi shakti etc. is highly reveared in Vedic Astrology. His aspect infuses life, fortifies athe Bhava he aspects and gives superior grasping power of shastras. In my last posting on Guru I have tried and posted some charts to corroborate the dictum BHAVA NASHA KARO JEEVA, I had posted its effects till 5th b hava. Some time back, in other postings in Another discussion group, I had posted my findings on Guru in 7th bhava also . I have found Guru in 7th bhava delaying marriages and also giving an inclination of straying
from normal marital life .It has been found to give love marriages and Extra marital interests. Guru in 8th bhava has been found to take life and give Alpayu/Madhyayu to jatakas. Guru in 9th has been found by me to be very detrimental to father in a lot of cases. Father's luck starts dwindling after the jatakas are born. Guru in 10th bhava has been observed by me to give failures in business to self and loss of property to father. Guru in 11th makes a person first born or 1st male child or it denotes miscarriage/short life to previous borns of the siblings elder to jataka. Father is found to be eldest born or he outsurvives all his siblings. Guru in 12th bhava gives destruction of Shaiya sukham resulting in very late marriages , remarriage and inflow of money.I have found people with 12th Guru earning in excess and spending little. Guru and Sani , always give something and take away something. If in 9th, if a person becomes lucky, his father suffers or dies. In second house, he gives a lot of money and then lands the man in neck deep debts. In 4th house, if he gives a house, he takes away vahana or mother or somerthing connected with 4th house.
My whole exercise in giving examples of negetive traits of Guru is not to demean Guru but trying to enter in an excercise to reach the bottom of the thing and find out why GURU gives very bad results.
I have done research into the causes and found the cause to be very simple as always. As written before, Guru takes root in a bhava and in order to give something in aspects to other bhavas, it sucks the inner strength of the bhava like a tube well or a wick of a lamp.In this process some attributes of a bhava are destoyed.The examples are already given as above. The cause may lie in his ownership of Dhanur Rasi. What is so special about Dhanur Rasi? Dhanur is an Agni Tatwa rasi which is termed as KRURA or PITILESS . It is the sign that falls in 9th house of kalapurusha chart.Over this sign, a Jathaka h as no control as it signifies Bhagya and Pita. If Mesha is the jathaka, then Dhanur Rasi is the father. Nakshatras in Dhanur rasi are, MOOLA, belonging to Ketu, Purvashadha of Shukra and U.Shadha of Surya.If you think the significance of this, it means, Father puts Atma Tatwa(Sun) in His sperms(Shukra) and thereby reduces his
own life (ketu) . Since only 1st pada of U.Shadha is in Dhanur Rasi, it means Father puts only a part of his Atma tatwa in the Sperm. As he may have many other children. Guru is made the owner of this sign as the combination of Sperm, Atma tatwa signifies Sum total of Jeeva or Life.This is why Guru is also kno wn as JEEVA. It may look paradoxical that a dry sign should signify life. But it is true. Why the sign is Krura? This sign is Krura because When the Ojas of Father leaves him, he reduces his Tejas and his Atma shakti becomes depleated or KSHINA. This is a krura karma. All these is ok so far. But why should the Dhanur Rasi be affecting its owner so much ? I would like to take you back to my work on Plantery Nodes . Out of the Nodes of Guru and Sani, we are concerned with the following nodes. Jupiter'e Northen node GURA (My termonology)falls in Gemini,17Deg.40mts in Aridra Nakshatra. Jupiter'e southern node GUKE falls in Dhanur Rasi .17Deg.40 mt in P.Shadha Nakshatra. Saturn's Northern Node SARA falls in Gemini.0.Deg 56mts. in Mrigshirsha Nakshatra. Saturn's southern node SAKE falls in Dhanur Rasi.0.Deg 56.mts S outhern Node in MULA nakshatra. IF YOU LOOK AT SOUTHERN NODE OF SAT URN (Sani's Ketu), IT IS IN MULA AND THIS EXPLAINS WHY MULA NAKSHATRA IS SO POISONOUS.!!!Remarkable isn't it? IF YOU LOOK AT SOUTHERN NODE OF GURU, (Ketu of Jupiter) IT IS IN SAGGITARIUS.!! No wonder Guru is the Lord of Knowledge and Intelligence. These nodes are as good as planets in those signs. Of the above nodes, it has been found that nodes of Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are very important and have a remarkable effect in mundane and personal life. Since each node takes over 30,000 to 40,000 years to change a sign, we can practically say that they do not change their fixed positions during our lifetime.
Dhanur rasi is represented by A Hunter. Dhanur Rasi has SAKE,and GUKE the southern nodes of Sani and Guru. It also has Mula Nakshatra of Lunar southern node Ketu. Having three Ketus power is something very ver y powerful thing. Ketu is termed as Daruna, Tikshna,Hangman,Atirogi, Sinful planet, ka raka of Pain and suffering,Tamasika, living in cremation ground, without any Rasa,a snake, he is very old of Vayu prakriti,Akash Tatwa ,Headless spirit. On the positive side, Ketu is Moksha karaka and Antargyani. So when Guru becomes the lord of Dhanur Rasi, he is responsible for imbibing the attributes of Ketus of Dhanu Rasi. Imagine how will it be when there are Two Permenent Ketus in Dhanur rasi and aspect of Sani's Rahu SARA and Guru's Rahu GURA on Dhanur Rasi ??. Compared to this, Meena Rasi which is another Rasi owned by Guru , is totally opposite in nature more in tune with Guru's good attributes. Hence Guru gives two types of results whenever he occupies anysign. This result is part negetive and part positive. So when we talk of Guru and his effects, we are talking of a planet with almost exactly opposite attributes. He is a hangman and a killer and at the same time Giver of Life. He is the chief cause of disease and he is the medicine. Guru is very mighty and has very benign aspect.Guru gives us oxygen and is Jeeva.Without Guru's help, we would all be Mudha and lifeless. Let us pray Guru with all our heart and full faith. Brum Bruhaspataye Namah:
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GURU in 7th: Model-Horoscope + PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE. Mr Nichiro has put forth a VERY INTERESTING and RICH Analysis on Guru and the allied aspects... in a beautiful presentation. Here is a Model-Horoscope and the Resultant Life-Experience of my Intimate Friend of more than 60 years. Date of Birth: 08 / 09 April, 1934. -- Time : 05-55 AM of 09th. Lagna:- MEENA. -- Birth-Star: SRAVANA-4 (Thiruvonam)-- Rasi : MAKARA. Location of Planets:--Lagna(Meena):-- SOORYA, ANGAARAKA 5th (Kataka):-- KETHU 7th (Kanya):-- GURU 11th (Makara) :-- CHANDRA, RAAHU 12th (Kumbha) :-- SUKRA, SANI, BUDHA. Life-Experience:-(1) Born rich with a Silver-spoon... but within the age of 10, sufferings started. Father with meagre earning. Struggled for subsistence and Ed ucation... Lost all the Parental properties because of quarrels amongst the Paternal and Maternal uncles. Finally lost all the Properties inherited. (2) Proven Honest and Trustworthy all through the past. Sincere and "Hard-worker". Acclaimed highly competent and Result-oriented. But NO RE COGNITION in career. Suffered a lot for the major part of Life until 60th age. (3) Married at the age of 27... Lost the initial Two Male Babies by miscarriage. Subsequently 4 daughters and One Son. (4) Met with a Major-accident... resulting in Bed-ridden for 6 years... No Income.
(5) Professional Career with different Employers... Total failure with heavy loss of Income. Business also a major blow by utter failure, due to cheating by all the Co-directors in collusion. ..Hand to mouth Subsistence for 19 long years.....with a Family of 7 members.! (6) Has an EXEMPLARILY GOOD WIFE... who supported him and his family of Five Children... all through... Brought them up and got them all well-educated and employed... Highly supported and co-ordinated with her hu sband for the children's marriages by means of her inexplicable amount of Self-Sacrifice and Tolerance.... Utmost personal care on the Sickly Husband and the Children irrespectrive of her Husb and's attention or Family-commitment (7) Now...from the Jathaka's age about 60... the Family... rather the 5 children and the parents are quite well-placed MAINLY BECAUSE of the SE LFLESS WIFE.!... Here can we say the SEVENTH GURU... is a Parasite.?... or a Negative Malefic.? .. Last edited by Sudhaama on Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:39 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top Nichiro Devoted Hubber
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 485 Location: Detroit Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:33 pm
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Dear Sudhaama Sir, I am just leaving for my work place and have no time to discuss much in detail. Your friend has Vakri Guru , the lord of his karma in Badhaka sthanam. By just being in badhaka sthanam, your friend led a pauper's life but got a good wife.He got a good wife no doubt but he had cheating partners who were crooks and robbed him off his parnership, money and left him a pauper. I hope you know that 7th house also indicates BUSINESS PARTNERS . My point is, Guru , for his wife, robbed her off her financial happiness . Guru takes away something and gives something . So does Sani.
Will discuss more later. Nichiro _________________ Raam Raahave Namah: Back to top Sudhaama Pro Hubber
Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 2487 Location: USA Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:43 pm
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. GURU in 7th: Model-Horoscope + PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.
Mr Nichiro has put forth a VERY INTERESTING and R ICH Analysis on Guru and the allied aspects... in a beautiful presentation. Here is a Model-Horoscope and the Resultant Life-Experience of my Intimate Friend of more than 60 years. Date of Birth: 08 / 09 April, 1934. -- Time : 05-55 AM of 09th. Lagna:- MEENA. -- Birth-Star: SRAVANA-4 (Thiruvonam)-- Rasi : MAKARA. Location of Planets:--Lagna(Meena):-- SOORYA, ANGAARAKA 5th (Kataka):-- KETHU 7th (Kanya):-- GURU 11th (Makara) :-- CHANDRA, RAAHU 12th (Kumbha) :-- SUKRA, SANI, BUDHA. Life-Experience:--
(1) Born rich with a Silver-spoon... but within the age of 10, sufferings started. Father with meagre earning. Struggled for subsistence and Edu cation... Lost all the Parental properties because of quarrels amongst the Paternal and Maternal uncles. Finally lost all the Properties inherited. (2) Proven Honest and Trustworthy all through the p ast. Sincere and "Hard-worker". Acclaimed highly competent and Result-oriented. But NO RECOGNITION in career. Suffered a lot for the major part of Life until 60th age. (3) Married at the age of 27... Lost the initial Two Male Babies by miscarriage. Subsequently 4 daughters and One Son. (4) Met with a Major-accident... resulting in Bed-ridden for 6 years... No Income. (5) Professional Career with different Employers... Total failure with heavy loss of Income. Business also a major blow by utter failure, due to cheating by all the Codirectors in collusion. ..Hand to mouth Subsistence for 19 long years.....with a Family of 7 members.! (6) Has an EXEMPLARILY GOOD WIFE... who supported him and his family of Five Children... all through... Brought them up and got them all well-educated and employed... Highly supported and co-ordinated with her husband for the children's marriages by means of her inexplicable amount of Self-Sacrifice and Tolerance.... Utmost personal care on the Sickly Husband and the Children irrespectrive of her Husband's attention or Family-commitment (7) Now...from the Jathaka's age about 60... the Family... rather the 5 children and the parents are quite well-placed MAINLY BECAUSE of the SELFLESS WIFE.!... Here can we say the SEVENTH GURU... is a Parasite.?... or a Negative Malefic.? ..
Dear Nichiro and others, My Question is NOT... why the Jathaka suffered?.. and what the wife got or not? But my only question here: ... GURU IN THE 7th ...KALHATHRA- STHAANAM...in this case ...GOOD OR BAD?...How? and Why? . Back to top Nichiro Devoted Hubber
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 485 Location: Detroit Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:54 pm
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Dear Sudhaama Sir, 7th house is KALATHRA STHANAM agreed. But 7th house also means PARTNERS, PARTNESHIPS, Travels, Other Peopel, opponents and much more. Guru does affect some or all indications of 7th house depending on its strength and othe factors . Please stop treating 7th house only as Kalathra sthanam. Nichiro _________________ Raam Raahave Namah:
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[quote="Nichiro"] //... 7th house is KALATHRA STHANAM agreed. But 7th house also means PARTNERS, PARTNESHIPS, Travels, Other Peopel, opponents and much more.// //Guru does affect some or all indications of 7th ho use depending on its strength and othe factors// . Yes. Agreed. But in what way Guru has defeated the Strength and Bhava of the 7th House?... is my Question. There are several cases in my vast experience I have observed as also advised to me by many of my Astrologer friends. And this one of my friend Mr. Vasu a nd his Wife Ms Vidhya quoted above as an Example... ... a TRUE CASE supported by ample experience of more than 60 long years. One of the WORST HOROSCOPES...we can see normally in Life... since there a re several Dhoshas.... due to almost all other planets too. But invariably one and all Astrologers categorically assert... that this Jathaka was able to
survive and further is able to exist and thrive... ...MAINLY BECAUSE OF GURU IN "SEVENTH HOUSE"... aspe cting not only.. its own house Meena plus the 11th Laabha-Sthaanam. Now let us see the status of other Planets and Houses clashing with Guru at 7th.... in all respects of that house. KALHATHRA: The Jathaka has got an emulative Best-wife...HIGHLY LOVING...devoted and dedicated... and totally SELFLESS for the sake of her Husband. .. She surrendered not only her own self dedicatedly to her husband...but also all her possessions of wealth, jewels and Valuable Silver articles too... for the sake of subsistence of a big family, when the only Breadwinner husband became bed-ridden and sick subsequently. Finally she too became poor. What more one can expect from a Kalhathra? PARTNERS: Yes ..Partners in business was an utter failure as alread y pointed out. But why? Was it due to Guru? No... In fact Guru has neutralized the Ill-effects caused by other planets. How? Soorya the Adhipathi of the 6th, the Runha, Roga, Sathru Sthaanam.. placed at Lagna had done the maximum havoc... by aspecting the 7th bhava Besides Guru is the 10th Karma-Sthaana-Adhipathi too. In that aspect Guru too had joined with Soorya to doom his life. And Guru has got Kendra-Aadhipathya- Dhosha... due to the ownership of1 & 10 placed at 7.... which has affected his Sukha(4th) and Karma(10) aspects. Angaaraka the Adhipathi of 2nd(Dhana-Kudumba- Sthaanam) plus 9th (Bhaagya-Sthaanam) ... placed with Soorya the Sathru at Lagna ... ... aspecting the 7th as well as Guru the Lagna-Adhipathi.. weakening the 7th bhava Besides Angaaraka had become Nil to Asthanga-dhosha due to his conjunction with Soorya.. However all such deficiencies caused by other planets have been neutralized and balanced by Guru at 7th. FRIENDS: He had the best friends true to its sense... who have come to his succour at his worst circumstances. // Please stop treating 7th house only as Kalathra sthanam.// Ah !... STOP TREATING THE KALHATHRA Bhavam? .. Why?. That is my main point of argument my dear friend.
So I sum up...My firm Stand ... DIFFERING WITH YOU...are. (1) Guru at 7th and 9th are the Exceptions from the General Formulae... in the sense of location. Rather Guru is Very Good at 7th and 9th. (2) You say Guru and Sani give something and Take-away something else. May I know which one or more of other Grahas (Planets) is different in that respect? Each and every Planet including Guru and Sani... give something and Take away something else.... ...however Best or the Worst the Horoscope b e!... WITHOUT EXCEPTION. Guru is DHARMA-KAARAKA.... So he establishes JUSTICE... to EVERYBODY. . Back to top Nichiro Devoted Hubber
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 485 Location: Detroit Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:02 pm
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Dear Sudhaama Sir, You do not seem to get the point. When I say that a Bhava is affected/destroyed, it means all indications denoted by a bhava get affected to a grater or lesser extent. A wife can be good and devoted when Guru is in 7th. But how many of us want to know how did that woman feel when all was lost? Just because of her samskaras, she witstood stoiclayy all antics of her husband but her happiness was definately destroyed along with her money/streedhan etc. This is what I am trying to stress. If the Guru were to be much more malefic, he would have done further damage. There is no exception to Guru's occupation of any house. Guru and sani take away/give something is more evident because both have very long dasa periods. That is why their dasa leaves a lasting effect on a jathaka. Guru is Dharma kaaraka and I do not disput that fact. Please read my 2nd posting on Guru again. I have great regards for Guru. Guru does not do justice. It is the work of Sani , he is the judge and awarder of punishment.
Guru is a priest.
I took a prasna about this discussion and I think that this chart belongs to you. Please correct me if I am wrong. Nev Nichiro _________________ Raam Raahave Namah: Back to top . [quote="Nichiro"] //You do not seem to get the point. When I say that a Bhava is affected/destroyed, it means all indications denoted by a bhava get affected to a grater or lesser extent.// I am closely following your every point. And what you say that...all indications denoted by a Bhava get affected, when a Bhava is affected / destroyed.... is the General-factor, I agree. But do we see such a consequence here in the case of 7th Guru... especially on KALHATHRABHAVA.? I have already justified that not only on Kalhathra- aspect but also in all other aspects of 7th house... Guru is good... and in this case of Vasu's Horoscope, the causes for his sufferings by the other factors of 7th house like Business... was due to some other reason as I had detailed. ... ...while Guru has done GOOD ONLY... with respects to Wife, Travels, Friends etc... as relevant to this house. ..Even in Business factor, Guru-bhava at 7th saved him... while it was detrimental by Karma sthaana- Aadhipathyam and Kendra- Aadhipathyam. ..But for Guru in 7th..the COMPENSATING-BENEFIC... he would have been totally doomed to nil. // A wife can be good and devoted when Guru is in 7th. But how many of us want to know how did that woman feel when all was lost? Just because of her samskaras, she witstood stoiclayy all antics of her husband but her happiness was definately destroyed along with her money/streedhan etc. This is what I am trying to stress. If the Guru were to be much more malefic, he would have done further damage.//
So you agree that Guru at 7th is NOT MALEFIC. Yes. anybody who is OPEN-MINDED... has to accept this Fact and Reality.. Besides... as I have already replied to Mr Selvakumar on the same point ... I reiterate... that the Kalhathra-bhaavam for any Jathaka... denotes ... ..ONLY WHAT HE / SHE WILL GET FROM HE R SPOUSE... AND WHAT WILL BE HER PROPENSITY AND CHARACTER... ...and Not what she / he will get from the other side / consort. This factor can be found out ONLY FROM HER KALHATHRA-BHAVAM OF HER HOROSCOPE. //There is no exception to Guru's occupation of any house. Guru and sani take away/give something is more evident because both have very long dasa periods. That is why their dasa leaves a lasting effect on a jathaka.// Partly Acceptable... that the Guru-dhasa and Sani-dhasa leave a LASTING- EFFECT...even after the end of such periods... when compared to other Dhasas.. But this point has nothing to do with our discussion on 7th or 9th Guru. I am still firm on my stand that GURU AT 7 AND 9 IS THE BENEFIC only .. and that ALL PLANETS INCLUDING GURU AND SANI.. GIVE SOMETHING AS DUE ... ...AS ALSO TAKE AWAY SOMETHING ELSE... conforming to the relevant Horoscope... ... which is NOT EXCLUSIVE to Guru and Sani only. If I am wrong... kindly disprove my above Two statements... by means of some other Horoscopes. // Guru is Dharma kaaraka and I do not disput that fact.... Guru does not do justice. It is the work of Sani , he is the judge and awarder of punishment. Guru is a priest.// As far as I know... Guru is no doubt a Guru...Teacher...but he is MORE A JUDGE IN REALITY... by which He teaches by Practical-Lessons.... .. similar to a Judge teaches to all other Culprits as well as to the Commonman. ... by his advance- action of passing the due Judgements to the deserving earlier cases... Sani is the Implementor-Police... while Guru declares Judgement.
//I took a prasna about this discussion and I think that this chart belongs to you. Please correct me if I am wrong.// I have already mentioned that it is of my friend Mr Vasu. Let us not overstretch on the matter of personal identity... because it is too private. For us the Subject-matter is important... and NOT THE PERSON BEHIND.. Glad.. you have seen Prasna... May I know about his future? .. and anymore? . Back to top Nichiro Devoted Hubber
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 485 Location: Detroit Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:15 am
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Dear Sudhaama Sir, If it makes you happy that 7th and 9th Guru is benefic, so be it.I do not want to over stretch this arguement. However there are two charts in front of me with Guru in 7th. One belongs to a lady who married a man who never considered her as own wife and had illicit relations with a woman all his life. She was widowed at age of 54. Her whole life was struggle. Another chart belongs to an young man who was engaged to a girl who broke her engagement with him. After a great search, he got married to just 10th pass girl. He is a double engineer In my archives, I have many such charts but as you have taken a stand that 7th and 9th Guru is good , I will not discuss this point further. Nichiro Back to top
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JANUARY BABY
Pretty/handsome. Loves to dress up. Easily bored. Fussy. Seldom shows emotions. Takes time to recover when hurt. Sensitive. Down-to-Earth. Stubbo rn.
FEBRUARY BABY
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MARCH BABY
Attractive personality. sexy. Affectionate Shy and reserved. Secretive. Naturally honest, generous and sympathetic. Loves peace and serenity. Sensitive to others. Great kisser. Easily angered. Trustworthy. Appreciative and returns kindness. Hardly shows emotions. Tends to bottle up feelings. Observant and assesses others.
APRIL BABY
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MAY BABY
Stubborn and hard-hearted. Strong-willed and highly motivated. Sharp thoughts. Easily angered. Attracts others and loves attention. Deep feelings. Beautiful physically and mentally. Firm Standpoint. Needs no motivation. Shy towards oppisite sex. Easily consoled. Systematic (left brain). Loves to dream. Strong clairvoyance. Understanding. Sickness usually in the ear and neck. Good imagination. Good physical. Weak breathing. Loves literature and the arts. Loves traveling. Dislike being at home. Restless. Not having many children. Hardworking. High spirited.
JUNE BABY
You've got the best personality and are an absolute pleasure to be around. You love to make new friends and be outgoing. You are a great flirt and more than likely have an a very attractive partner. a wicked hottie. It is also more than likely that you have a massive record collection. You have a great choice in films, and may one day become a famous actor/actress yourself - heck, you've got the looks for it!!!
JULY BABY
Fun to be with. Secretive. Difficult to fathom and to be understood. Quiet unless excited or tensed. Takes pride in oneself. Has reputation. Easily consoled. Honest. Concerned about people's feelings. Tactful. Friendly. Approachable. Emotional temperamental and unpredictable. Moody and easily hurt. dislikes nonsensical and unnecessary things. Guides others physically and mentally. Sensitive and forms impressions carefully. Caring and loving.
Treats others equally. Strong sense of sympathy. Wary and sharp. Judges people through observations. Hardworking. No difficulties in studying. Loves to be alone. Always broods about the past and the old friends. Waits for friends. Never looks for friends. Not aggressive unless provoked. Loves to be loved. Easily hurt but takes long to recover.
AUGUST BABY
outgoing personality. takes risks. feeds on attention. no self control. kind hearted. self confident. loud and boisterous. VERY revengeful. easy to get along with and talk to. has an "every thing's peachy" attitude. likes talking and singing. loves music. daydreamer. easily distracted. Hates not being trusted. BIG imagination. loves to be loved. hates studying. in need of "that someone". longs for freedom. rebellious when withheld or restricted. lives by "no pain no gain" caring. always a suspect. playful. mysterious. "charming" or "beautiful" to everyone. stubborn. curious. independent. strong willed. a fighter.
SEPTEMBER BABY
Active and dynamic. Decisive and haste but tends to regret. Attractive and affectionate to oneself. Strong mentality. Loves attention. Diplomatic. Consoling, friendly and solves people's problems. Brave and fearless. Adventurous. Loving and caring. Suave and generous. Usually you have many friends. Enjoys to make love. Emotional. Stubborn. Hasty. Good memory. Moving, motivates o neself and others. Loves to travel and explore. Sometimes sexy in a way that only their lover can understand.
OCTOBER BABY
Loves to chat. Loves those who love them. Loves to takes things at the center. Inner and physical beauty. Lies but doesn't pretend. Gets angry often. Treats friends importantly. Brave and fearless. Always making friends. Easily hurt but recovers easily. Da ydreamer. Opinionated. Does not care to control emotions. Unpredictable. Extremely smart, but definitely the hottest AND sexiest of them all.
NOVEMBER BABY
Trustworthy and loyal. Very passionate and dan gerous. Wild at times. Knows how to have fun. Sexy and mysterious. Everyone is drawn towards your inner and outer beauty and independent personality. Playful, but secretive. Very emotional and temperamental sometimes. Meets new people easily and very social in a group. Fearless and independent. Can hold their own. Stands out in a crowd. Essentially very smart. Usually, the greatest men are born in this month. If you ever begin a relationship with someone from this month, hold on to them because their one of a kind. DECEMBER BABY
This straight-up means ur the most good-looking person possible... better than all of these other months! Loyal and generous. Patriotic. Competitive in everything. Active in games and interactions. Impatient and hasty. Ambitious. Influential in organizations. Fun to be with. Easy to talk to, though hard to understand. Thinks far with vision, yet complicated to know. Easily influenced by kindness. Polite and soft-spoken. Having lots of ideas. Sensitive. Active mind. Hesitating, tends to delay. Cho osy and always wants the best. Temperamental. Funny and humorous. Loves to joke. Good debating skills. Has that someone always on his/her mind. Talkative. Daydreamer. Friendly. Knows how to make friends. Abiding. A ble to show character. one guy/girl kind of person. Loveable. Easily hurt. Prone to getting colds. loves music. pretty/handsome. Loves to dress up. Easily bored. Fussy. Seldom shows emotions. Takes time to recover when hurt. S ensitive. Back to top Hulkster Veteran Hubber
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 2800 Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:34 am
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Hindi madam...although its quite related to this thread their p erception of astrological knowledge is more abt the indian study of the stars and planets..konjam different..although the month by month perception is pretty close..i feel it might be more of a common person survey analysis rather than prediction.
_________________ Hulksterodeiya mahimaiyaana blogai paarka vaarungal Dhanam an Insight Back to top Nichiro Devoted Hubber
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 485 Location: Detroit Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:20 am
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Hindi, You have cut and pasted the whole piece from, providence.craigslist.org/msr/190145436.html This place is for discussion and not cut/paste jobs. Nichiro _________________ Raam Raahave Namah: Back to top abkhlabhi Regular Hubber
Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 104 Location: Bangalore Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:34 am
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Dear Sudhaama and Nichiro and others, I am new to this forum. I am very much interested in Astrology and I know only one drop. An interesting discussion about Jupiter in 7th and 9th places.
