PRESUM3VIL: was talk with Matthias about it today (12:44pm) PRESUM3VIL: Me: hey(12:44pm) Me: gonna post this on facebook real quick (12:44pm) Me: one sec(12:44pm) PRESUM3VIL:: are you playing a session (12:44pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: no, was thinking of using some of the hands from last night,
or we can just do
general questions questions on position position that apply to most games (12:45pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well my general question is starting requirements (12:46pm) PRESUM3VIL PRESUM3VIL:: as in starting hands(12:46pm) PRESUM3VIL PRESUM3VIL:: general you want to play a lot of conecting cards (12:47pm) PRESUM3VIL PRESUM3VIL:: in pos(12:48pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: you can certainly play much more marginal holdings (12:49pm) Me: I think the key to most of the hands I am playing (12:49pm) Me: is that I am raising raising each hand(12:50pm) Me: the think that annoys people in a major way (12:50pm) Me: even more than post flop aggression (12:50pm) Me: so when someone raises me, I typically KNOW that I have to catch up (12:51pm) PRESUM3VIL:: I find I normally am camping for the nuts (12:51pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: I do that too(12:51pm) Me: but mostly from early position (12:51pm) Me: in late position position I am looking to catch up to the nuts(12:51pm) Me: remember preflop aggression and a high VPIP annoys people (12:52pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well it annoys me for sure (12:52pm) PRESUM3VIL PRESUM3VIL:: I use that approach PRESUM3VIL approach for HU but find it hard to bring that to FR and 6 max(12:53pm) Me: which is why you see me three betting and 4 betting, sometimes with marginal holdings because you can represent much more than you have (12:53pm) Me: my vpip is usually around 50% (12:53pm) Me: I am not sure I would suggest that for everyone (12:53pm) PRESUM3VIL:: yeah to lag for me(12:54pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: PTR grades me as an -F on preflop aggression (12:54pm) PRESUM3VIL:: have trouble PRESUM3VIL trouble when played back at and I have air (12:54pm) Me: i do too(12:54pm) Me: that is why they make that fold button (12:54pm) Matte86:: haha(12:54pm) Matte86 Me: and that is why you need to be in position (12:54pm) PRESUM3VIL:: when you know they are just playing back at you, with air as well PRESUM3VIL (12:54pm) Me: well now(12:55pm) Me: if your instincts are telling you that (12:55pm) Me: then move all in (12:55pm) Matte86:: but i read that if ur reraised with a pair in Matte86
ur hand, just muck it up to QQ
(12:55pm) Me: I can tell you guys this (12:55pm) Me: if I have an instinct I go g o with it 95% of the time (12:55pm) Me: it takes a lot for me to ignore what I think is the right play (12:55pm) Me: my god(12:56pm) (12:56pm) 6pm) Me: QQ?(12:5 PRESUM3VIL:: so high pair with suited connectors are best (12:56pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: this is the problem I have with what you guys are reading (12:56pm)
Matte86: yea in a vid on deucescracked by whitelime (12:56pm) Matte86: PRESUM3VIL:: like hand PRESUM3VIL hand QQT9 double suited (12:56pm) Me: I would have to know context (12:56pm) Matte86:: he was on the button Matte86 b utton raised QQxx and was like this doesnt
flop great
against reraises reraises muck that(12:57pm) Me: oh yeah(12:57pm) Me: PLo(12:57pm) Me: dry QQ blows (12:57pm) Matte86:: right ok (12:57pm) Matte86 Matte86:: were u guys talking holdem ? (12:57pm) Matte86 Matte86:: i just joined (12:57pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: no PLO(12:57pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: QQT9 would not be a fold IMO (12:58pm) Matte86:: with what sort of hands (12:58pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: I think I lost $60 playing PLO when I first joined Aced (12:58pm) PRESUM3VIL Matte86:: would u like allways get it in preflop (12:58pm) Matte86 Matte86:: or try to (12:58pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: so I have so much to learn (12:58pm) PRESUM3VIL Hackett77:: Helloo (12:58pm) Hackett77 Matte86:: hi(12:58pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: hey Hack(12:58pm) PRESUM3VIL Matte86:: no no QQT9 he didnt fold either (12:59pm) Matte86 Me: what you guys need to learn is what your style is (12:59pm) Matte86:: He said in his vid dont play badugi hands and well dont play pairs in big Matte86 hands unless KK or AA for set over set (12:59pm) Me: why someone would want to call you or not call you (12:59pm) Hackett77:: i have no idea what im doing in PLO (12:59pm) Hackett77 Me: well Hack(12:59pm) PRESUM3VIL:: what about bare AAxx hands (12:59pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: a big part of this discussion is playing in position and raising preflop to take control of the pot (1:00pm) Matte86:: i think those can only be played for setvalue (1:00pm) Matte86 Hackett77:: i just raise and bet and everyone folds (1:00pm) Hackett77 Me: AAxx is a very marginal hand in plo and not that big of a favorite over most hands(1:00pm) Me: then you should do that every hand obv (1:00pm) Me: well(1:01pm) Matte86:: haha(1:01pm) Matte86 Me: now you guys should know one thing (1:01pm) Me: that you might actually not think (1:01pm) Me: PLO is a blu fng game(1:01pm) Matte86:: yea it amazed me how he would pre er Matte86 er QJT7 one suit over aces and stu like that (1:01pm) Me: yeah(1:01pm) Me: I think in the case of sublime (1:01pm) Me: his opponents are a bit more sophisticated and aggressive (1:02pm) Me: so you have to have good defensible hands (1:02pm) Me: I have been thinking about why I am doing well on UB and not on Merge (1:02pm)
Me: on UB(1:03pm) Me: while the mistakes that people make are not as big as say on Merge (1:03pm) Me: they are capable of folding (1:03pm) Me: the current style at higher limits is 3 betting and 4 betting a lot (1:04pm) PRESUM3VIL:: yeah its the he knows that I know that he knows (1:05pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: I have been toying with bet sizing and I think that would work better with PLO
actually (1:05pm) Me: actually(1:05pm) Me: if you look at my heads up session from the other day (1:05pm) Me: I was so in control of that match the whole time (1:05pm) Me: and got him playing a lot out of position, which is obviously the goal (1:06pm) Me: guys want to 3 bet marginal to disguise their hands (1:07pm) Me: but they aren't expecting the caller to have a hand like 8h 10h (1:07pm) Me: so when you hit that (1:07pm) Hackett77:: hands like 101043ss on the JH (1:07pm) Hackett77 Me: you stack them (1:07pm) Hackett77:: on the HJ do u fodl there first in? (1:07pm) Hackett77 Me: no(1:07pm) Me: but I am going to play most of my hands with a raise (1:07pm) Me: if I get reraised that is an easy fold (1:08pm) Matte86:: would u cbet that ? (1:08pm) Matte86 Me: you aren't trying to set mine in omaha (1:08pm) Matte86:: on a Ax5 board or something (1:08pm) Matte86 Me: depends on board texture (1:08pm) Me: who called(1:08pm) Me: the button or a blind? (1:09pm) Matte86:: blind (1:09pm) Matte86 Matte86:: so he checks to u (1:09pm) Matte86 Me: most definitely I cbet actually (1:09pm) Me: no matter what(1:09pm) Me: I have a straight draw(1:09pm) Hackett77:: how big do u usually cbet flops, 2/3 or full pot? (1:09pm) Hackett77 Me: slightly more than half (1:10pm) (1:10pm) Me: think about your bet sizing (1:10pm) Me: if you cbet 60% or 75%, they are still folding no matter what right? (1:10pm) Me: well those times they check raise you or you need to fold (1:11pm) Me: you have saved 15% every time (1:11pm) Me: over the life time of your poker game (1:11pm) Me: that will add up a lot (1:11pm) Hackett77:: yeah, i mean i bet size like that, the same as i would in L (1:11pm) Hackett77 Me: it also allows you to be in control for blu s(1:11pm) Hackett77:: NLHE but everyone just pots so i wondered if i was missing something Hackett77 (1:11pm) Me: I pot occasionally (1:12pm) Me: it's usually bases on a read against a particular opponent (1:12pm) Me: if you are going to be a calling station out of position (1:12pm) Me: I will wear that ass out with pot bets all day long (1:13pm) Me: but most people try to trap me (1:13pm) Hackett77:: yeah i get you(1:13pm) Hackett77
Me: think about it (1:14pm) Me: this might not be the case in the games you guys are playing (1:14pm) Me: but almost everyone is scared shitless to play post flop (1:14pm) Me: when people are scared (1:14pm) Me: they tend to do one of two things (1:14pm) Me: avoidance or aggression(1:14pm) Me: if someone is a big winner (1:15pm) Me: you can assume they would default to aggression (1:15pm) PRESUM3VIL:: I tend to play really well for a long time build a nice stack then PRESUM3VIL
make
1 bad play and loose it all (1:15pm) Me: that is probably the biggest di erence erence between the games I play and the games you guys play(1:15pm) Me: well that is because you aren't pushing the envelope enough (1:16pm) Me: you are letting the cards dicate whether you win or lose (1:16pm) PRESUM3VIL:: yeah most times I am (1:16pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: you guys have to look at some of the hands I show down and go WTF, I can't even believe we listen to this guy (1:16pm) Matte86:: ok im out then : (1:17pm) Matte86 Matte86:: haha(1:17pm) Matte86 Me: but the reality is I have a read on that player (1:17pm) PRESUM3VIL:: I have seen most of your sessions(1:17pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: so I am not just playing the cards I am dealt (1:17pm) Me: I think the key to looking at my sessions (1:18pm) Me: isn't to try and emulate what I am doing (1:18pm) PRESUM3VIL:: yeah i tired that experiment by covering my cards didnt go so well PRESUM3VIL for me(1:18pm) Me: it is to try and figure out why I am doing it and take pieces from what I do and incorporate it into your games (1:18pm) Me: you have to push the envelope (1:19pm) Me: don't be that guy that says "I read all the books and I can't figure out why I can't win"(1:19pm) Me: books give you a base (1:19pm) Me: videos give you a base (1:19pm) PRESUM3VIL:: lol(1:19pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: what I say gives you a base (1:19pm) PRESUM3VIL:: grow a pair of BALLS is what your saying (1:20pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: it is your style and your instincts that will take you to the next level to be a winner (1:20pm) Me: make some silly plays for sure (1:20pm) Matte86:: in a way he is yes (1:20pm) Matte86 Me: try and take some pots (1:20pm) Huntc02:: use the resources to build a stronger you? (1:20pm) Huntc02 Me: yeah(1:20pm) Huntc02:: be you .. but use everything around to make you better? (1:20pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: like ... fine tuning a ferrari ... (1:21pm) Huntc02 PRESUM3VIL:: well in my experince with HU games it certainly pays to be pushing PRESUM3VIL the envelope(1:21pm) Me: I watch a lot of the big hands you guys play (1:21pm) Huntc02:: always going to be a ferrari .. but with tweeks you can make it better Huntc02
(1:21pm) Me: i would throw out a caveat (1:21pm) Me: pushing the envelope in position (1:21pm) PRESUM3VIL:: yeah(1:21pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: pushing the envelope might mean calling a bit more in position too (1:21pm) Me: if you are against an overly aggressive opponent(1:22pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well position is the key for sure you dont play J5 oop (1:22pm) PRESUM3VIL Hackett77:: ok board is 5A982 - I raised BU with A9xx bet 3streets then get Hackett77
minraised on river, easy fold or crying call? (1:22pm) Me: and you start 4 betting him (1:22pm) Me: with marginal stu (1:22pm) (1:22pm) Me: he will just move all in (1:22pm) Huntc02:: your getting amazing odds to call (1:22pm) Huntc02 Me: I think I call (1:22pm) Me: probably looking at 67 a lot (1:23pm) Hackett77:: yeah i called the turned a set of 8s (1:23pm) Hackett77 Hackett77:: hate calling minraises tho (1:23pm) Hackett77 Me: lol(1:23pm) Me: turned a set of 88's (1:23pm) (1:23pm) Me: wtf (1:23pm) Huntc02:: you gotta think ... how many times are you good there (1:23pm) Huntc02 Me: how is he even in the hand at that point (1:23pm) Huntc02:: it doesnt have to be alot to make it a worth while call (1:23pm) Huntc02 Hackett77:: i dont know lol (1:23pm) Hackett77 Me: check this fold I made yesterday (1:24pm) Me: I have KKxx (1:24pm) Me: flop comes K JJ(1:24pm) Me: i let the guy lead (1:24pm) Me: and I baby check raised the turn (1:24pm) Me: which was a brick (1:25pm) Me: when he calls(1:25pm) Me: I know for fact that he has a Jack (1:25pm) Me: river(1:25pm) Me: a Jack(1:25pm) Me: I fold(1:25pm) Me: let's be honest (1:25pm) Me: most of you guys would have to see it there, don't you think? (1:25pm) Hackett77:: id say to myslef, he has quads (1:26pm) Hackett77 Hackett77:: then call (1:26pm) Hackett77 Huntc02:: yup .. im with hackett ... (1:26pm) Huntc02 Matte86:: lol ye(1:26pm) Matte86 Huntc02:: i would know he has them (1:26pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: based on how i run (1:26pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: and then call (1:26pm) Huntc02 Me: check this(1:26pm) Me: when you make that baby check raise (1:26pm) Me: and he calls (1:26pm) Me: he has the Jack, plain and simple (1:27pm) Me: that is why you are making that play (1:27pm)
Me: Me:
and since I blu a lot(1:27pm) people don't tend to make amazing laydowns against me for some reason
(1:27pm) Me: which is why you guys need to start blu fng more(1:28pm) Me: but huntc02 you need to lose that "I run bad" nonsense (1:28pm) Me: that is how losers think (1:28pm) Me: that is who you used to be (1:28pm) Me: not who you are now (1:28pm) Huntc02:: yeah i guess ... it is hard though ... (1:29pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: like a month ago (1:29pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: within 24 hours (1:29pm) Huntc02 Hackett77:: i dont think there really is a running bad, its playing bad Hackett77
more than
anything (1:29pm) Huntc02:: i had runner runner quads against me in hold-em (1:29pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: 3 times(1:29pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: in a day!(1:29pm) Huntc02 Me: ok(1:29pm) Me: that happens (1:29pm) Huntc02:: that is surely a curse haha (1:29pm) Huntc02 Me: but did you play the next day? (1:29pm) Me: did you feel like a loser and still play (1:30pm) Huntc02:: no(1:30pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: took 3 days o (1:30pm) Huntc02 (1:30pm) Me: see(1:30pm) Me: then you are learning (1:30pm) Me: you have to want to play, you have to feel like a ninja(1:30pm) Huntc02:: but it cost me like 2 weeks hard wor (1:30pm) Huntc02 Hackett77:: thing is tho, when that shit all happens in one day its a good thing, id Hackett77 rather it happen all in one session then a few every day for a week (1:30pm) Huntc02:: *work(1:30pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: and the problem is (1:30pm) Huntc02 Me: when you hit the tables you have to not have a black cloud over your head (1:30pm) Me: what's two weeks (1:31pm) Huntc02:: when you dont have the bankroll to survive that kinda run (1:31pm) Huntc02 Me: lol(1:31pm) Huntc02:: to my bank roll ... (1:31pm) Huntc02 Me: check this(1:31pm) Huntc02:: alot(1:31pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: lol(1:31pm) Huntc02 Me: you don't have a bankroll (1:31pm) Me: none of you guys do (1:31pm) Hackett77:: lol im getting destroyed at PLO (1:31pm) Hackett77 Huntc02:: true(1:31pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: (1:31pm) Huntc02 Me: when you can replenish your bankroll with $50 (1:31pm) Me: that is liberating (1:31pm) Me: I know this sounds like the big money guy talking smack (1:33pm) Trifen22:: im ITM in the 1$ establishied (1:33pm) Trifen22 Trifen22:: establishing* (1:33pm) Trifen22
Matte86: yea(1:33pm) Matte86: Me: but I wasn't always a big winner online (1:33pm) Trifen22:: 3 left, im chipleader (1:33pm) Trifen22 Matte86:: it is(1:33pm) Matte86 Trifen22:: 20$ so far(1:33pm) Trifen22 Me: take er down (1:33pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well myself it is almost impossible to re deposit (1:33pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: ok(1:33pm) Me: well let's talk about your specific situation ray (1:33pm) Trifen22:: i hope so (1:33pm) Trifen22 Trifen22:: that'd be + 50$ (1:33pm) Trifen22 PRESUM3VIL:: so what I have is what I have once its gone sad to say my PRESUM3VIL
shot and
dreams will be gone with my little BR (1:33pm) Me: let's say your bankroll is $500 (1:34pm) Me: actually(1:34pm) Me: what is your bankroll (1:34pm) PRESUM3VIL:: that part of the reason I hold myself back (1:34pm) PRESUM3VIL Trifen22:: zero(1:34pm) Trifen22 Trifen22:: and im HU(1:34pm) Trifen22 Me: I am asking Ray(1:34pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well over the 4 sites close to 2500 (1:34pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: lol(1:35pm) Matte86:: wow nice ray(1:35pm) Matte86 Matte86:: owned(1:35pm) Matte86 Matte86:: i didnt know (1:35pm) Matte86 Me: your such a pussy ray (1:35pm) Me: you are(1:35pm) PRESUM3VIL:: I know(1:35pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: dude(1:35pm) Me: you were broek (1:35pm) PRESUM3VIL:: bro you need to meet my wife (1:35pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: you might be the best player on this site (1:35pm) Me: if you can't take $500 here and there (1:35pm) PRESUM3VIL:: wow ty for the complement(1:35pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: and try to run that shit up you are doing it wrong (1:36pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well I certainly will try (1:36pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: you are too good to not try and see what you are a capable of (1:36pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well I will put in the attempt (1:36pm) PRESUM3VIL Matte86:: but what should he try to play with the 500 then ? (1:37pm) Matte86 Me: you guys know the whole I made a million dollars in 1.5 years story (1:37pm) Matte86:: take a shot at? (1:37pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: what Im best at obv (1:37pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: .50-1(1:37pm) Me: right(1:37pm) Me: $50 sit and go's (1:37pm) Me: if you are going to take a shot (1:37pm) Me: don't do it at badugi (1:37pm) PRESUM3VIL:: lol Matthias tells me the same thing (1:37pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: or a game you don't know(1:37pm)
Me: go to your strength (1:38pm) Me: if I were to guess ray (1:38pm) Me: your game is missing one thing (1:38pm) Huntc02:: beanie ... lets say your bankroll is really small .. like mine (1:38pm) Huntc02 PRESUM3VIL:: my trouble is I love so many varieties of poker (1:38pm) PRESUM3VIL PRESUM3VIL:: the more i learn in one form I forget in another (1:38pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: are we really talking about bankrolls Hunt? (1:38pm) Me: that's not how it works Ray and you know that (1:39pm) PRESUM3VIL:: Good Job Thomas(1:39pm) PRESUM3VIL Trifen22:: i got it (1:39pm) Trifen22 Me: boom(1:39pm) Trifen22:: w00 f***ing hoo (1:39pm) Trifen22 PRESUM3VIL:: nice(1:39pm) PRESUM3VIL Trifen22:: im back in the game (1:39pm) Trifen22 PRESUM3VIL:: shipthechees (1:39pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: that is awesome man(1:39pm) Trifen22:: haha ray(1:39pm) Trifen22 Me: congrats(1:39pm) Me: so check this(1:39pm) Me: tell me if this is right Ray (1:40pm) Hackett77:: ok i ofcally suck at PLO (1:40pm) Hackett77 Me: lol hackett (1:40pm) Trifen22:: so do i(1:40pm) Trifen22 Hackett77:: (1:40pm) Hackett77 Me: I think you probably get in a lot of situations where instinctively you think
you
can make a play(1:40pm) Me: but you don't pull the trigger (1:40pm) PRESUM3VIL:: pretty much correct (1:41pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: that's where I was at (1:41pm) Me: I deposited sooooooooooo many times(1:41pm) Me: i thought online poker was rigged (1:41pm) Me: and then I won a few tourneys (1:42pm) Me: I remember this like it was yesterday (1:42pm) Me: I was talking to Shawn Rice who is a very good friend of mine (1:42pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well I can feel with the work I have done here my game has improved PRESUM3VIL by a huge margin from where my games was when I showed up on your doorstep (1:42pm) Me:
and even after I had won about 20k in a couple of weeks I was talking all this nonsense about one outers and such (1:43pm) Me: and Shawn said something I will never forget for the rest of my life (1:43pm) Me: "what's your opinion on the tooth fairy" (1:43pm) Me: I was like WTF (1:43pm) PRESUM3VIL:: they really faze me ..................... PRESUM3VIL ..................... lol (1:43pm) Me: basically his point was (1:44pm) Me: anything that gets you to point to anything other than improving your game (1:44pm) Me: is just a waste (1:44pm) Me: it's harmful to your mentality (1:44pm) Trifen22:: damn <3 that cash (1:45pm) Trifen22 Trifen22:: i started the day with 7 cents (1:45pm) Trifen22
Trifen22: lol(1:45pm) Trifen22: Me: after that(1:45pm) Me: I learned to trust my instincts (1:45pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well my frame of mind couldnt PRESUM3VIL
be better than it what it is now, the
last few months thats mainly been my focus (1:45pm) Me: I always was good at asking for help(1:46pm) Hackett77:: right im o for dinner, see u soon (1:46pm) Hackett77 Me: l8r man(1:46pm) PRESUM3VIL:: yeah I a stubborn old fool and well muddle my way through life PRESUM3VIL (1:46pm) Me: avoid PLO like the plague for the time being (1:46pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well until I came here (1:46pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: nah, I don't want to hear that shit (1:46pm) PRESUM3VIL:: later Hack(1:46pm) PRESUM3VIL (1:46pm) Me: dude you have worked your ass o (1:46pm) Hackett77:: yes i will and good point u just made beanie about mentality (1:46pm) Hackett77 Me: it's ferrari time (1:47pm) Me: let's make a run at durrrr (1:47pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well thanks to a few kicks in the ass (1:47pm) PRESUM3VIL PRESUM3VIL:: well that would be sweet (1:47pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: well that or just bust up some .50-1 dollar guys (1:47pm) Me: or some HU $30 sit and go's (1:48pm) PRESUM3VIL:: but I would be happy to be a steady grinder at $5-$10 games PRESUM3VIL
(1:47pm) Matte86: 5-10 is superhigh no ? (1:48pm) Matte86: Me: it would surprise me if you couldn't beat 1-2 for 50k a year (1:48pm) Matte86:: in online terms (1:48pm) Matte86 Me: it is(1:48pm) Me: I don't play 5-10 (1:48pm) Me: why would I (1:48pm) PRESUM3VIL:: have to chat later (1:49pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: guys are 2-4 are making 300k a year (1:49pm) Me: l8r(1:49pm) Matte86:: yea(1:49pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: about some transfers (1:49pm) PRESUM3VIL PRESUM3VIL:: not leaving(1:49pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: o ok(1:49pm) Matte86:: the real big guys i heard are on 2-4 (1:49pm) Matte86 Matte86:: well some(1:49pm) Matte86 Me: hold on(1:49pm) Matte86:: not like durr or some1 (1:49pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: yeah its totally do able (1:49pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: let me show you guys something (1:49pm) Matte86:: but like that guy i mentioned raszi plays mostly 2-4 and he's a Matte86
boss lol
(1:50pm) Me: http://www.pokertabler...ui_88 (1:50pm) Me: he plays 2-4 (1:50pm) PRESUM3VIL:: as I said 100 of time Dusty Schdimt PRESUM3VIL
millions(1:50pm) Me: guigui is aight (1:50pm)
is a midstakes grinder and make
PRESUM3VIL:: PRESUM3VIL
I believe I work as hard on my game as he does, at least I put in the hours of reviewing(1:50pm) Me: won't blow you away(1:51pm) Me: but he does the time (1:51pm) Matte86:: aight ? lol he makes 75k in rake alone (1:51pm) Matte86 Matte86:: and wins 4bb/100 (1:51pm) Matte86 Me: my bb's are higher (1:51pm) Me: I just can't put in the volume (1:51pm) Me: that's why he is a crusher (1:51pm) Me: but if he would play me HU every day for 6 months (1:51pm) Me: he would lose 200k easy (1:52pm) Me: because that isn't his game (1:52pm) Me: it isn't totally my game either (1:52pm) Me: but that is the value of diversifying your portfolio (1:52pm) Matte86:: but thats not really in order yet for us is it (1:52pm) Matte86 Me: why not(1:53pm) Me: why do you limit yourself (1:53pm) (1:53pm) Matte86:: well we want to get good at one thing first right (1:53pm) Matte86 Me: what value do you get from that personally (1:53pm) Me: oh(1:53pm) (1:53pm) Matte86:: before we take on all sorts of other stu (1:53pm) Matte86 Me: probably yes (1:53pm) Me: i would indeed suggest to find a niche and tap it hard (1:53pm) PRESUM3VIL:: yeah I agree you should be good at one then branch out (1:54pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: but you guys should bookmark that page and look at it every day of your life (1:54pm) PRESUM3VIL: but the tapping part is the key (1:54pm) PRESUM3VIL: Matte86:: i dont really know what my niche is tho (1:54pm) Matte86 Me: sure people want to be durrrr (1:54pm) Matte86:: i like to think its cashgames but idk (1:54pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: time to take the skirt o (1:54pm) PRESUM3VIL (1:54pm) Me: but that kid will be over a million soon playing 2-4 (1:55pm) Me: 2-4 is the equivalent of $50 sit and go's IMO (1:55pm) PRESUM3VIL:: yeah well I belive I can beat the $20 - $50 Hu SnG (1:56pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: well take $500 (1:56pm) Me: and play $20's (1:56pm) Me: that's 25 shots (1:56pm) PRESUM3VIL:: and well keep fresh with some MTT play, who knows maybe PRESUM3VIL
to reward my self with some bigger MTT (1:57pm) Me: I used to sat into every single thing (1:57pm) PRESUM3VIL: yeah I'm learning the value of the sat's (1:57pm) PRESUM3VIL: Matte86:: are u playing the scoop btw paul ? (1:57pm) Matte86 Me: probably not(1:57pm) Me: I don't know (1:57pm) Me: maybe a few events (1:58pm) Me: hard to block out the time (1:58pm) Matte86:: you should post if u do would be fun to watch (1:58pm) Matte86 Me: bobby almost certainly will be (1:58pm) Matte86:: yea i'll be looking out for im (1:58pm) Matte86
I will get
Matte86: btw this might be a stupid question (1:59pm) Matte86: Me: no stupid questions, only stupid people without a filter (1:59pm) Me: shoot(1:59pm) Matte86:: alltho there are no stupid questions : but what is a good way Matte86
to know what ur niche is i mean u can have some succes but taht could just be variance (1:59pm)
Matte86: should i just try a big volume in all (2:00pm) Matte86: Me: I think it is kind of a feel thing (2:00pm) Matte86:: and see what i did best in (2:00pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: for me its simple, what do you enjoy, what PRESUM3VIL
makes you want to sit
and play(2:00pm) Me: nothing will answer ??'s like data (2:00pm) PRESUM3VIL:: what peeks your interest (2:00pm) PRESUM3VIL Matte86:: well i really want to be a cashgame player (2:00pm) Matte86 Me: yeah, you will typically be best at what you enjoy the most (2:00pm) Me: right now I am loving NLHE (2:01pm) Matte86:: but ive never really like build my br like taht (2:01pm) Matte86 Matte86:: but i want it so abd and enjoy that the most (2:01pm) Matte86 Huntc02:: i dont always agree that you should play what you like the most ... Huntc02 (2:01pm) Me: cash is nice (2:01pm) Huntc02:: i love plo ... bt im better at hold-em (2:01pm) Huntc02 Me: because you can come in and out of the games so easily (2:01pm) Me: PLO at the lower limits is full of nitty players that play the nuts (2:02pm) Me: which is easy to exploit (2:02pm) Matte86:: yea but i havent ever in my "career" had like a nice showing for it and Matte86
i
will take the past as well u were just f***ign around but even the last half year it hasnt been like gogoggo u know (2:02pm) Me: because not only will you pick up some pots blu fng(2:02pm) Me: but you will occasionally make a hand (2:02pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well part of the trouble here is so many play other games so one PRESUM3VIL starts to think hell I should try that as well instead of working on the game they enjoy playing (2:02pm) Me: matte what you described just now was me at paradise poker back in the day (2:03pm) Me: I just couldn't beat it (2:03pm) Me: i had decent runs but I deposited a lot (2:03pm) Matte86:: yea(2:04pm) Matte86 Me: then I found UB and the rest was history (2:04pm) PRESUM3VIL:: if people just worked on the game they PRESUM3VIL
like best and didnt care what others thoughts as much we would have more successful players (2:04pm) Matte86:: but im on ub lol (2:04pm) Matte86 Me: some of it wasn't that I found UB though, it was all that time I put in on paradise (2:04pm) Me: maybe paradise is your spot (2:04pm) Huntc02:: what if your a better tourny or sng player ... but need the rakeback ... to Huntc02 try and even out the bad beats? (2:04pm) PRESUM3VIL:: paradise is close isnt it (2:04pm) PRESUM3VIL Huntc02:: or bad play? (2:05pm) Huntc02 Me: sng's are great for rakeback (2:05pm)
Huntc02: cnat all be bad beat (2:05pm) Huntc02: Huntc02:: really 0.0(2:05pm) Huntc02 PRESUM3VIL:: with volume they are (2:05pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: paradise is still open (2:05pm) Me: just not in US (2:05pm) PRESUM3VIL:: ok(2:05pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: no one plays there (2:05pm) Me: so I was kind of kidding(2:05pm) Me: but the point is (2:06pm) PRESUM3VIL:: well tra fc helps (2:06pm) PRESUM3VIL Matte86:: well the site i enjoy the most is pokerstars Matte86
but there is no rakeback or anything there but its where i have had the most succes like yesterday aswell in a small tourny i made 140$ in a plo8 tourny. Thats another thing i seem to do pretty well in these plo or plo8 tournies on stars but to start makin that my goal ? idk (2:06pm)
Me:
maybe all of my struggles at paradise taught me something so that when I went to UB I was ready to win (2:06pm) Matte86:: plus ther is no rakeback or anything on stars (2:06pm) Matte86 Me: well you should play where you have the most success (2:07pm) Matte86:: and i dont even know what im really doing in plo8 (2:07pm) Matte86 Me: but that is a lot of edge to give up (2:07pm) Matte86:: so obv the field is just superbad (2:07pm) Matte86 Me: I have said this to most of you (2:08pm) Matte86:: yea(2:08pm) Matte86 Me: the name of the game is to stay in the game (2:08pm) Matte86:: plus idk if that is what i want to play u know (2:08pm) Matte86 Matte86:: i enjoy that (2:08pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: lol(2:08pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: if you can stay in the game (2:08pm) Matte86:: yea and thats what i try on ub and i like ub (2:08pm) Matte86 Me: take shots occasionally(2:08pm) Matte86:: but i jsut cant get o the ground not even hoover (2:08pm) Matte86 Me: you will break through (2:09pm) PRESUM3VIL:: hell your up to $200 thats something (2:09pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: di erence erence between $200 and $2000 is not that much (2:09pm) PRESUM3VIL:: Rome wasn't Built in a Day (2:09pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: you guys want to become durrrr like tomorrow (2:10pm) PRESUM3VIL:: not me(2:10pm) PRESUM3VIL PRESUM3VIL:: I can wait a week (2:10pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: trust me, you would be very happy to have my game and live a great life (2:10pm) Huntc02: i actually think i got the patience to grind (2:10pm) Huntc02: Me: I put in the time and e ort ort and I still do (2:10pm) Huntc02:: just a case of getting a break to get started (2:10pm) Huntc02 Matte86:: i would be paul (2:11pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: trust me I happy to have met you (2:11pm) PRESUM3VIL Huntc02:: then you can take some variance (2:11pm) Huntc02 Matte86:: i dont want to be durr (2:11pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: royal flush(2:11pm) PRESUM3VIL Matte86:: id be happy playing 50nl with rakeback and be a winner (2:11pm) Matte86
Me: well your problem hunt is you are too passive (2:11pm) Matte86:: then id be happy allready (2:11pm) Matte86 Me: you don't switch gears and you are letting the cards do all the work (2:11pm) Huntc02:: passive? (2:11pm) Huntc02 PRESUM3VIL:: http://blu .com/90ec468-35 PRESUM3VIL .com/90ec468-35 (2:11pm) Matte86:: if i had ur game id feel blessed lol (2:11pm) Matte86 Me: bling blang blaow (2:12pm) Matte86:: another no show ray (2:12pm) Matte86 Me: wait(2:12pm) Me: I will make it public (2:12pm) Huntc02:: cant a ord Huntc02 ord to get stung i guess ... play in fear (2:12pm) Huntc02:: this is probably my problem (2:12pm) Huntc02 Me: try now(2:12pm) Me: let your freak flag fly occasionally hunt(2:13pm) Matte86:: post it again pls if i click taht link it goes to my homepage again (2:13pm) Matte86 Me: you brits are too conservative(2:13pm) Matte86:: lol(2:13pm) Matte86 Matte86:: thats why the pelgrims moved ! (2:13pm) Matte86 Huntc02:: haha ...(2:14pm) Huntc02 Me: http://blu .com/hands...68-35 .com/hands...68-35 (2:14pm) Me: embrace your inner devilfish! (2:14pm) PRESUM3VIL:: http://blu .com/90ec468-35 PRESUM3VIL .com/90ec468-35 (2:14pm) Me: when you had that chip lead (2:14pm) Huntc02:: like i said .. its just a case of "if! (2:14pm) Huntc02 Me: and the tables were 5 and 5 (2:14pm) Me: that is the time to take over and build enough chips to really take over at the
final table(2:15pm) Huntc02:: i had a massive chip lead .. (2:15pm) Huntc02 Me: trust me(2:15pm) Matte86:: well ray i think u won that hand because it was the Qc otherwise you Matte86 wouldv just folded the turn right ? (2:15pm) Huntc02:: make squeezes and blu s(2:15pm) Huntc02 Me: I let the cards do the work too (2:15pm) Huntc02:: but then my 99's get sucked out on (2:15pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: and its a whole di ball game(2:16pm) Huntc02 Me: I saw a lot of unraised pots (2:16pm) Huntc02:: i cant a ord Huntc02 ord to get the downswing so i play in fear (2:16pm) Me: limping and such (2:16pm) Huntc02:: probably why i prefer mtt (2:16pm) Huntc02 Me: if someone limps into your blind raise their ass (2:16pm) Me: you guys need to quit saying that (2:16pm) Matte86:: i really bookmarked that guigui guy now (2:16pm) Matte86 Me: you can a ord ord it more than I can(2:17pm) Me: that $50 or whatever won't change your life (2:17pm) Huntc02:: haha i suppose my dwnswing is 5$ yours is 50k$ (2:17pm) Huntc02 Me: yeah(2:17pm) Matte86:: i think u played the hand fine ray (2:17pm) Matte86 Matte86:: btw(2:17pm) Matte86 Me: obv, he caught a royal (2:17pm)
Huntc02: its my ticket to play the game though (2:17pm) Huntc02: Me: hehe(2:17pm) Huntc02:: haha(2:18pm) Huntc02 Me: hunt are you reviewing your play (2:18pm) Huntc02:: yes(2:18pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: i find alot of floors trust me (2:18pm) Huntc02 Me: do you read and post in the forums as much as you play (2:18pm) Huntc02:: i know im not perfect (2:18pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: no1 is(2:18pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: no(2:18pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: i read(2:18pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: dont really post (2:18pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: i watch alot(2:18pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: i wathc too much (2:18pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: lol(2:18pm) Huntc02 Me: just put in the time (2:18pm) Huntc02:: gf hates it (2:18pm) Huntc02 Matte86:: hahaha i didnt even see the royal (2:19pm) Matte86 Matte86:: i was ust like nh ray wp (2:19pm) Matte86 Matte86:: hahahhahah (2:19pm) Matte86 Huntc02:: "your watching poker" so your not coming to bed or making Huntc02
me money
"(2:19pm) Me: can I tell you guys the secret to girlfriends and wives (2:19pm) Huntc02:: is usually the phrase she uses (2:19pm) Huntc02 Huntc02: (2:19pm) Huntc02: Huntc02:: buy them pretty thigns with your winnings? (2:19pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: to make them happy? (2:20pm) Huntc02 Me: actually(2:20pm) Huntc02:: and put out more? (2:20pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: (2:20pm) Huntc02 Me: it's the opposite of that (2:20pm) Me: my wife has no idea whether i win or lose on a daily basis (2:20pm) Me: I went on a 250k heater one month (2:20pm) Me: and she had no idea (2:21pm) Huntc02:: wow!(2:21pm) Huntc02 Me: don't tell your GF or wives about the money (2:21pm) Me: it just bothers them (2:21pm) Me: but that isn't the secret (2:21pm) Me: and the secret actually applies to all of your relationships in your life (2:21pm) Me: when you are with them (2:22pm) Me: be with them (2:22pm) Me: don't surf blu surf blu .com .com while in bed (2:22pm) Me: that is a formula for never getting a blow job (2:22pm) PRESUM3VIL:: and that would suck (2:22pm) PRESUM3VIL Matte86:: touche !(2:22pm) Matte86 Me: wurd(2:23pm) Huntc02:: well actually ... (2:23pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: this one time .. (2:23pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: haha jokes(2:23pm) Huntc02
Me: poker should be secondary to almost everything in your life (2:23pm) Huntc02:: made you sweat though (2:23pm) Huntc02 Me: if you can pull that o (2:23pm) (2:23pm) Me: you are doing it right (2:23pm) Huntc02:: (2:23pm) Huntc02 Me: trust me man (2:23pm) Me: I have been playing poker for almost 25 years (2:23pm) Me: and I have never lived that particular dream (2:24pm) Huntc02:: hahah!(2:24pm) Huntc02 Me: so to me it's like the Yeti (2:24pm) Huntc02:: cooler(2:24pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: lol(2:24pm) Huntc02 Me: people can say it exists (2:24pm) Me: but until I see it in person I won't believe (2:24pm) Matte86:: are we still talking about blowobs in bed with blu .com Matte86 .com open ?(2:25pm) Matte86:: or what dream is that ? (2:25pm) Matte86 Matte86:: (2:25pm) Matte86 Me: that's the dream I guess (2:26pm) Me: but think of how silly that is (2:26pm) Me: to have people in your life that you love (2:26pm) Matte86:: oh you were talking about taht (2:26pm) Matte86 Me: and you are telling them about some one outer you took (2:26pm) Me: like they give a shit (2:26pm) Matte86:: exactly(2:26pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: well 1 for 1(2:26pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: the people in your life want to support you (2:27pm) Me: but they want you to support them too (2:27pm) PRESUM3VIL:: or make that 1 for 2 $20 HU SNG (2:27pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: holy shit ray (2:27pm) Me: the rake is killing you (2:27pm) PRESUM3VIL:: lol(2:27pm) PRESUM3VIL Matte86:: lol(2:27pm) Matte86 Me: so now let me ask you guys (2:28pm) Me: do you feel like you can crush PLO after this session? (2:28pm) PRESUM3VIL:: should be 2 for 2 I love cheese (2:28pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: hehe(2:28pm) PRESUM3VIL:: lol hell no (2:28pm) PRESUM3VIL Hackett77:: No i still suck at PLO (2:28pm) Hackett77 Matte86:: no but it was a great talk (2:28pm) Matte86 Matte86:: (2:28pm) Matte86 PRESUM3VIL:: but certainly can crush life (2:28pm) PRESUM3VIL PRESUM3VIL:: and thats more important (2:28pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: one thing I really wish for you guys (2:30pm) Me: is quit looking at $50 like it's your poker bankroll (2:30pm) Me: 50k is a poker bankroll (2:30pm) Me: $50 can be found in the street (2:30pm) Me: that should be liberating to you guys (2:31pm) Me: you aren't all in (2:31pm) Me: no pressure (2:31pm)
Me: just do the work (2:31pm) Me: Ray has $2500 (2:31pm) Me: how much of that did you deposit Ray? (2:31pm) PRESUM3VIL:: zero(2:31pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: I'll answer since he is probbly getting a blow job (2:32pm) Me: zero(2:32pm) PRESUM3VIL:: lol(2:32pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: he just did the work (2:32pm) Me: Hunt there is no di erence erence between you and Ray (2:32pm) Me: and Matte and Trifen your games are close to Ray's, I am sure
you feel that
(2:33pm) PRESUM3VIL: yeah there is (2:33pm) PRESUM3VIL: PRESUM3VIL:: Im better looking (2:33pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: Hackett I don't know you all that well (2:33pm) Me: yeah but you are Canadian (2:33pm) Me: so I think it all evens out (2:34pm) Me: do the work boys and girls (2:34pm) Huntc02:: lol(2:34pm) Huntc02 Huntc02:: thanks (2:34pm) Huntc02 Me: I still study my opponents to this day (2:34pm) Matte86:: lol(2:34pm) Matte86 Matte86:: thaks paul(2:34pm) Matte86 Huntc02:: yea thanks(2:34pm) Huntc02 PRESUM3VIL:: tools are there (2:34pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: I can remember a hand I played against a guy from 2 months ago (2:34pm) Me: act as if (2:34pm) (2:34pm) Me: think of yourself as a winner and that is half the battle (2:35pm) Me: oh btw(2:35pm) Me: guigui(2:35pm) Me: was a break even player for years (2:35pm) Me: I think you can see it in his graphs (2:35pm) Me: he just stayed in the game and eventually got there (2:36pm) Matte86:: cool(2:36pm) Matte86 Me: but never EVER tell your gals how much you are making (2:36pm) Matte86:: there is hope (2:36pm) Matte86 Me: or buy them shit out of your BR (2:36pm) Me: unless they plan on returning that shit when you lose (2:36pm) Me: and if your gals won't let you play unless you hook them up with some kind
gift(2:37pm) Me: then you need to man up (2:37pm) Me: my wife trusts me 100% (2:37pm) Me: I have never given her any reason not to when it comes to poker (2:38pm) Me: motorcycle riding (2:38pm) Me: now that is a di erent erent stroy (2:38pm) Me: btw(2:38pm) Matte86:: lol(2:38pm) Matte86 Me: I am selling the bike back to the dealership (2:38pm) Matte86:: are u btw going to buy another bike now (2:38pm) Matte86 Me: and they guy is like "you should really think about keeping it" (2:39pm)
of
Matte86: or are u dont with bikes now period (2:39pm) Matte86: Matte86:: lol(2:39pm) Matte86 Me: done(2:39pm) Me: like I told him (2:39pm) Me: there is something about laying next to a curb with
a motorcycle laying on you with your foot pointing in the wrong direction that provides you a manner of perspective (2:39pm) Matte86:: would he take it back ? i mean is a dealership obliged to ? (2:39pm) Matte86 Matte86:: ....(2:40pm) Matte86 Me: nah(2:40pm) Matte86:: ouch(2:40pm) Matte86 Me: I am going to get crushed on the deal obv (2:40pm) PRESUM3VIL:: stick to the vespa (2:40pm) PRESUM3VIL Me: nah(2:40pm) Me: new life, that dream is dead (2:40pm) Me: besides (2:41pm) Me: the hit to my sex life alone wasn't worth the risk I took (2:41pm) Matte86:: lol(2:41pm) Matte86 Me: ok guys(2:42pm) Me: i think that's it for me, now go out and kick some PLO ass (2:42pm) Me: hehe(2:42pm) Huntc02:: gl al(2:42pm) Huntc02 Me: think I am going to try and post the transcript for this in the thread somehow (2:42pm) Huntc02: *all (2:42pm) Huntc02: Me: not sure how I can Me: peace(2:42pm)
format it atm (2:42pm)
