Michael Gargiulo: Part 1 Transcript of "Perkins Operation"

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RECORDED JAIL CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL GARGIULO FROM EL MONTE JAIL, EL MONTE, CALIFORNIA.

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SA068002 Michael Gargiulo PC187(a), et al June 17 – June 18, 2008 1504 hours Gargiulo Perkins.wma Daniel Akemon Major Crimes

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*** live ***. The time is 1348 hours.

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Okay.

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Today’s date is June 17th, 2008, Tuesday, with Detective

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Mark Lillienfeld from L.A county Sheriff’s Homicide; and Mike Staley

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from L.A. Sheriff’s Major Crimes Bureau. *** and, yep, we’re on stand-

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by. *** the time, uh, again, 1348 hours -- Good luck.

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Thank you.

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All right, buddy. ***. I’m gonna think about ***.

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All right. ***.

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No, I’m good. I am just gonna walk out that door.

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Okay.

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Thank you, buddy.

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All right, man. See you later.

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Here’s the, uh, *** you requested. 2


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Oh, okay.

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All right. There you go.

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Thank you.

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You’re welcome, dude.

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Ready to go ***?

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Yeah. I was coming ***.

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All right.

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You want to go in here?

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Come in here. Be nice to this guy, alright?

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Alright.

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Yes?

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Do you know when I can be able to make a phone call, sir?

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There is a phone right up there.

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Oh. Oh.

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Okay?

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Thank you.

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I think *** they’re – they’re working. Okay.

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Thank you, sir.

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All that do is collect calls?

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Yeah.

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Dial the phone number now.

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Please say your name after the beep.

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Michael Gargiulo.

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One moment, please. Thank you for using inmate

communications. For a rate quote, dial 7.

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Jail using inmate communications. The charge for this call is $6.60 – for the first minute plus a dollar for each additional minute. Your call –

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This is a collect call from Michael Gargiulo from the County

Oh, fuck. My own attorney is fucking refusing my call?

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Time for a new attorney.

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Thank you.

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You’re welcome.

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For English, dial 1. Para –

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Dial the phone number now. Please say your name after the beep.

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Michael.

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One moment, please. The number you called is not allowed.

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Oh, fuck.

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Michael.

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The number you called is not allowed.

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Holy shit.

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Michael, Anthony’s client.

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One moment, please.

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quote, dial 7.

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For English, dial 1. Para Espanol marca dos.

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For English, dial 1.

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This is a collect call from Michael, Anthony’s client, from the

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County Jail using inmate communications. The charge for this call is

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$6.60 for the first minute, one dollar for each additional minute--Your call

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Goddamn it.

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Are they answering?

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No. They’re refusing my call – my own attorney.

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That’s fucked up.

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Oh, my God.

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You’re actually getting through, they’re just not answering?

Or is the phone working? The phone –

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My attorney is not gonna answer.

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Mmnh.

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I don’t get this -- my attorney.

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Dial the phone number now. 6


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Please say your name after the

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Anthony’s my attorney. I need to speak to him. It’s Michael.

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I cannot believe my attorney won’t answer.

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Mmnh.

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This is a collect call from “Anthony is my attorney. I need to

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speak to him,” in the County Jail using inmate communications. The

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charge for this call is $6.60 for the first minute. One dollar for each

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additional minute. Thank you for using inmate communications.

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Hello?

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Yes, I’m trying to get a hold of Anthony. He’s my attorney,

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And is this Michael?

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Yes.

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My name is Carrie.

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Carrie, I’m at – I’m in an El Monte jail. And, uh, Homicide –

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Uh, there was nothing in court. They said “Homicide

detectives wanna speak to me.”

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You’re – you’re fine. Don’t worry. I know exactly what’s

going on. Uhm, what happened today, though?

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He said Homicide -- Homicide detectives wanted to talk to

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Exactly. So, I’m in the El Monte jail right now, waiting for

you? Homicide detectives to talk to me about another case. U

Okay. Wait one second, Michael. We’re getting Anthony. 7


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Hold on one second. G

Thank you.

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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Hello?

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Anthony.

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Is that you Mike?

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Yeah. I don’t know what’s going on. But, they have me in an

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El Monte jail right now saying that I need to speak to some Homicide

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Uh-huh. Well, that explains it, then. Well, you don’t have to

talk to them, obviously. And you definitely shouldn’t. And tell them that

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“On advice of counsel, you were specifically told not to speak to them.”

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Okay. And then, where do I go from here, I mean?

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They’ll take you back.

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I’m being slammed all around here and there. They’re not

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giving me any air. They’re putting me in a cell where I’m claustrophobic.

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El Monte Station is fine. They have me in an open cell. But, they’ve had

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me in 23 and a half hour lockdown, not being able to make calls to my

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attorney. I asked for medical advice. They – they refused medical

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advice for two days where I almost had a freaking attack and collapsed.

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What do you mean an attack?

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Like I have anxiety attacks.

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seen, uh, by – by a prison, uh, or jail psychologist or psychiatrist for

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appropriate medication. But, you know, the – the immediate order of

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business here is just don’t, uh, – you know, just don’t make any

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statements. Just say *** your lawyer on a related other case and you

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Okay. I don’t even know what –

what I’m here for. I mean, are they – what are they trying to do, I mean?

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I mean – I mean, you know, the other thing you could do is try

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to get their cards. And I can give them a call, once you find out who they

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Okay.

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And you could tell them that I’m happy to talk to them. Uh,

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but, uh, yeah, obviously, ***. But, uh, obviously, *** they can – they give

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you – if you can get their card, and I get the information from you, or they

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can feel free to call me.

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All right, Anthony. I know I’ve been refused calls earlier.

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Uhm, if you can make sure, the office, like if I have to call you, again. I

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mean, I know – uh, I know it could be expensive. But, –

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Well, it’s not really that. If you were refused a call, it’s

probably ‘cause you got put on hold or something. And then, the time

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limit ran out. But, we’ll take your call for sure.

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Yeah, he – uh, if the receptionist picks up in time, Michael,

then, automatically, you’re sending a ***, uh, *** line. So, if – if you ***

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Mmnh. All right. Well, I’ll tell you what. I don’t know how

much longer we’re gonna be able to see you on this thing here. So, what

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I’m just like literally freaked out that they’re trying to throw

everything on my towel, now.

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I’d say is just, uh, if the police come – it’s kind of odd that they would be

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so late. You would think they would have tried to talk to you earlier. But,

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uh, just let them know that you’re represented and that you were advised

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not to speak. But, I’m more than happy to talk to them. And, uh, you,

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to figure out what’s going on.

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Thank you, Anthony.

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And, if they given you any insight on what they might be

interested in, ‘cause I simply don’t know. G

Thank you, Anthony.

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All right. Good luck. Hang in there, Mike.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Bye.

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No. Yeah, you can’t get it out. Oh, shit. I can’t even ***.

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Yeah. ***. How you get in here?

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I have no idea.

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Mmnh.

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No idea. You get in trouble once, and, ssh, the second one,

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from every place. What are you doing here? What happened to you?

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Manslaughter. They’re sayin’. Some, uh – they picked me

up on a four-year old manslaughter case. They got me on some DNA I

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happened to have left in the parking lot, or, you know, the guy got I got in a fight with. And he took a licking and quit ticking. And what the fuck did I know? What was he gonna – uh, I guess he died later. I don’t know.

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So, I didn’t know shit. didn’t even know I was wanted for anything. I

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knew I got in a fight with the guy. But, I didn’t know the fucking guy died.

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You know, so, about four – I don’t know, four or five years ago.-- The

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next thing you know, I’m getting fucking stopped. They run me and, fuck,

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They’re telling me I have court for

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a warrant today. And then, they pulled me out of the court and said

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detectives want to talk to me. And then, they brought me here. S

Yeah, I heard you say Homicide detectives?

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Yeah.

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What’s up with that?

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I have no idea what they want.

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want you, they’ll come talk to you I’m sure. I’m still waiting for them – not

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the Homicide guys – I don’t think. Fuck, I don’t know, to come talk to me.

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I don’t know when that’s gonna happen. Mmnh. They don’t tell you a lot.

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-- So, they just ripped you off of court? You said?

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You were in court and they took you?

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They told me I had a court date today. So, they rushed me

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into the court. When I got up there, they said that we have – we’re

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asking for him to be released early so he could go talk to the Homicide

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I have no idea. There’s no court case. They just lied.

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Mmnh. That’s weird. Well, it’s probably – well, not probably.

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What court case? Was it a court case you had?

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Oh, shit, 9 – level 9.

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Been to the pen?

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Fucking single cell 23-hour lockdown.

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High Power?

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A lot of bullshit going on in County right now, I think.

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Oh, man. Mmnh.

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You from out here?

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Santa Monica.

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Santa Monica?

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That’s a nice Place. You got 3rd street Promenade out there.

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That’s a crazy place.

Mmnh-mmnh. They’re trying to charge me for burglary and –

and, uh, attempted murder. But, bullshit.

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Burglary and attempted murder?

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Yeah. It’s bullshit, though. There’s no burglary and

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attempted murder.

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No? Somebody you know? Or no?

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No, uh, uh, I don’t even know the case. I know nothing about

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They just picked me up. The detective said “I want to hear

your side of the story, and we’re charging you with the maximum.”

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Damn. Wow.

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They could charge me, uh, anything and everything they

have. But, they – they don’t have nothing on me. So, -S

Yeah. Well, sometimes they just stroke you with that bullshit.

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And sometimes you don’t know what they know what they don’t know.

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You know, and sometimes they know a little bit. And you – but, you don’t

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But, I could tell you, these

detectives are gonna be getting at straws, because I know nothing to

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I’ve never been in trouble.

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Mmnh. How long were you at C.J.? Mmnh

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Uhm, what was that, buddy?

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Huh?

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What’d you say? I am sorry, I haven’t fucking slept in like a

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Oh, you sounded like you were ***down in C.J.?

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Nah, fucking two weeks.

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Mmnh.

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I’ll be there for a long time I’m trying to fight a case right now.

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And that’s a $1 million bail. S

Is that the same thing you talked about?

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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And then, you know what? Like all the other detectives want

to jump on your tail and throw their case on yours.

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What’s that?

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I said “That’s what detectives are good for.” They just try to

close cases and throw everything on one person.

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Sure. That’s what they do, man.

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Instead of knowing the real deal.

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They could charge me uh for whatever. That’s why I have an

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attorney. You know, they’ve got to have a weapon – weapon – a witness

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and a DNA And they have nothing.

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Yeah. Of course, it helps if your attorney takes your calls,

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open that up?

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Yeah, if you can get it open, I’m good.

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It looks like that one opens right there.

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Yeah? Well, those hinges look painted shut from here – from

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I need some fucking air, man. Hey, are you game for air if I

here. I don’t know. Let me – I don’t know. I don’t see any other, except

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for the big grate up here. I don’t know if it’s gonna have air coming in.

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I think that’s taking air from here.

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It’s taking it out you said?

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It’s taking our air out.

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Oh, is it?

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Yeah, it probably is. Mmnh.

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You want to stop coughing?

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That’s not ***

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Oh, shit.

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I know. It sucks, uh, the truth, man.

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On this?

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Yeah. It doesn’t come out very good. Like push it real hard.

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I’ll take this any day compared to that other cell I’m in.

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You’d take that any day compared to what?

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I’ll take this any day compared to the cell I am in.

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Oh, uh, down there? Yeah.

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Yeah, this ain’t bad. Shit, the fucking mattresses are, at

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Yeah. And that is *** right there.

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*** it gets all packed full of people and shit. But, --

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I’m so weak and tired, man, I can’t even move.

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Yeah?

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I haven’t slept in days.

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I’ve been sick, man. They didn’t give me any covers.

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Yeah, it gets cold down there, too.

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My cell is the side of – size of from that gate to the end of

your chair.

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Yeah. You’re in High Power down there, you said?

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Were you at ***? Or at, uh, Twin Towers? Or –

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Yeah, 2 – 231.

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– up North or – a long time – well, a long time, well, not that long ago – a

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few years back. And that’s you’re locked down 23 out of the day. And

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you get to come out to come out to yard room – and it’s like this size – for

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basketball and you go back. Mmnh. Yeah,

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shit, like a month it seems like. G

Cops? Or detectives?

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Huh?

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The cops? Or detectives?

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No, cough.

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Oh, cough.

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No, it – I’m waiting on detectives, I think.

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Mmnh. Your cough comes from your nasal. Trust me. If you

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snort some water --

I know. But, fucking it’s either that or you cough, ‘cause that

drippage is just dropping in your throat.

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I’m that way, ‘cause I am so congested from all the air.

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Now, I can breathe, though.

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Yeah, I just – uh, I don’t know if I could do that.

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So much fucking air pumping on you in those other places.

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Yeah. And it’s always circulated shit, too. Mmnh.

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My cell, no air circulation. Just air pumping in like that.

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That’s it, huh? Wow.

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You haven’t been to state you said?

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You ever been to state – state prison?

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That’s a fucked place.

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Man, I’ve never been in trouble. I don’t get how they

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freaking, all of a sudden, I’m in all this trouble. I mean, it’s bullshit. S

Yeah. Most of the fucking –

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I would do nothing to jeopardize being with my kids or my

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Yeah. How many kids you got?

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Two.

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Two?

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And I’m freshly married.

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Wow. Cool. Kids will keep you centered. What kind of work

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you do?

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I’m in electrical in Beverly Hills.

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the plumbers all the time. They’d run their fucking shit out three feet past

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the joist. G

Mmnh.

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We had to carry our shit on our shoulders.

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I don’t – I don’t do new construction.

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Oh, that’s good money, too, especially, in Beverly Hills.

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I think detectives, uh, for that other case, shut my business

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Which – what case? The Santa Monica thing you were

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Yeah.

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They shut your business down?

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They took my van with everything.

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I don’t know why they do all that, man. They’re not gonna

find anything. I don’t get ‘em – anyone. I haven’t been in any trouble.

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They’re just trying to make trouble for me.

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What are they doing that for?

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I don’t know, man. I’m guessing they don’t like you when you

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don’t talk and you have an attorney. Then, they don’t like you. S

Yeah, that’s true.

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My body’s all weak and achy, shit.

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Mmnh.

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You know what you could do, then? Take your pinky, tip it in

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the water, and put it in your nose like that. S

Yeah?

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Or take toilet paper and stick it all the way up flat. Trust me.

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I’m sure you feel like that dripping in the back of your throat,

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That’s why you got a cough.

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Now, it’s just kind of numb, dude.

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Yeah. Trust me. The more water you put in there, the better

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it is. I know it.

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Okay. Witch doctor, I’m gonna try this shit. 18


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friends.

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I got it from many of my doctor < Cough>

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a ton of water.

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Damn, I don’t know how you can do that shit.

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And start drinking a ton of water and all this yellow shit will

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come out.

I wish we could get some air in here. But, if I climb up there,

they’re gonna think I’m crazy.

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And you’ll start spitting all that shit out. And you start drinking

S

I don’t know if this thing will even open.

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That one won’t. Could you climb up there? Or no? ‘Cause

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that should be *** in there.

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That sucker is shut.

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The one up at the top’s open. *** the corner.

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Fuck. It’s all painted –

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They’re all painted shut?

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something in there. ***.

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Well, these are. But, this has been – well, yeah, I can’t tell. It

looks like it’s been ***. You got part of one of those fucking pulls or

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Imagine having what you have, and then, I have acid reflux

coming up and choking me, too. S

Ssh. That’s tough stuff. With that, you get all that vile acid

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and shit all – that will wreck your, uh – your esophagus, your throat and

27

shit. I had a friend who had had that – but, of course, he had other shit

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too. He had ulcers and everything else. But, he had to go to the 19


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hospital. And then, he had a surgery from

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that.

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G

Yeah, I hear you. Dude, this is great talking to someone. I

don’t get to talk to nobody under 23-hour lockdown in a *** cell. S

Yeah?

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Now, we – we – if I don’t talk to them, they’re gonna try to

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charge me for something – who knows what? S

What’s that?

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If I don’t talk to them, they’re gonna try to charge me with

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another *** in here, even though I have nothing to do with it. ***. If I

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don’t talk to them ***, they’ll try to charge me for whatever they have

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here. ***. And then, I’m gonna be *** serious fucking lockdown, then.

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You think so?

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You know, is that door shut? You know, they can’t listen to

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you in here. *** they only have cameras. Because, that phone right

17

here, because of the – uh, the outside speaker telephone, they’re not

18

allowed to record this shit in here, because the, uh, attorney/client

19

privilege that kind of shit.

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I could hear the phone being dialed out, though.

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Huh?

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I could hear the phone being dialed out there.

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Yeah. They can hear it. But, they can’t listen to your call.

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But, even that’s shut off. But, uh, I don’t look at that camera up there in

25

the corner. But, they can’t hear us. So, I – I had a – uh, you know, a

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buddy of mine who was in here once, and, uh, I don’t think it was this

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one. But, there’s another one, ‘cause he didn’t describe this one. But,

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uh, – uh, two guys that fucking got into a knockdown mother fucking 20


drag-out fight. And he’s yelling and shit.

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Fuck, that went on for like 15 minutes, the fight, the guys finally like stop.

3

And, you know, you think they’d be able to watch it with the fucking

4

camera. Well, they got it on tape. But, they weren’t – uh, whoever was

5

supposed to be watching wasn’t watching it. And this was at night.

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Motherfucker was sleeping or whatever. But, uh, fuck. He said “Man,”

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he said, “we could have a fucking heart attack in here, and we fucking

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die, and they wouldn’t know it.”

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Man, wish we could get some air.

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Yeah. When I was at, uh – up at, uh, Super Max, they had

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trustees that would pass – kites back and forth and shit like that. So, we

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talked like to – to different people. We had – it was, shit, while I was

13

there -

Man, those fuckers in my section, they – they were fucking

passing me shit.

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Is that right?

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They – they get them in – the kite *** They get them in their

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Yeah.

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And then, they’d searched and ***.

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Yeah?

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*** cover your leg – your – like *** me a thing underneath the

door. *** Oh, fuckers could kill me with that shit.

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shoe.

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Yeah. There’s a lot of shit going on. Very – the last, I don’t

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know, few years, there’s been a big ole fucking fight between Eme and

26

the Negroes and shit. And they’ve been just fighting the shit out of each

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other. And, even the South-Siders have been fighting each other.

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Yeah, the South-Siders do a lot, though, fighting the cops. 21

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S

Yeah. Yeah, they just – you

know, all they do is fuck it up for everybody else. Yeah, it’s fucked being

3

locked up by yourself. Especially, there. Here, at least you know what –

4

you know, kind know what time it is. You can look and see what the

5

fucking sun is doing ***. When you’re inside, man, you can’t tell if it’s

6

fucking nighttime. It’s like being in a casino. No clocks. No watches

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anywhere. Just –

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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-- Fucking everything looks the same 2:00 in the morning and

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2:00 in the afternoon.

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schedule is.

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I think you get visits here, too. I’m not sure what the

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Mmnh-mmnh. They were rejecting my visits.

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Is that right?

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My wife would come in and they’d tell her I’m on the

lockdown.

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then, they –

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Oh, that’s fucked up. If you’re all the way down down, and My wife’s not doing anything man, I wonder about her.

S

***

G

I talk to her. She just doesn’t. It’s a very difficult situation.

Just take – take my time. Just relax. S

Yeah. Yeah, stuff with kids and shit.

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Keep snorting that water. 22


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All right, man. ***.

G

It’s called “post-nasal drip.”

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So, what? The water just flushes that out? Is that what

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you’re saying?

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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Mmnh.

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Having trouble with that water shit, and see if that water ***.

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You got to do it a lot, man. And it will kick in. I’m telling you,

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that’s a promise. You got to clear your sinus. The reason it’s dripping

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down is because it’s all congested.

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***Ugh… Motherfucker.

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It soothes it though, doesn’t it?

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***.

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If you tilt your head back, and right up in there.

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S

Oh, dude, that is fucking ***. Oh. Man, that’s some nasty-

ass shit from your –

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Why the hell do they get a warrant to bring me into court?

Say there’s a warrant for my arrest and I have to go to court. And then, pull me out and say they gotta question me for some case.

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Well, let’s see. With – just hold on. Man, this shit burns,

dude. So, they – you got there.

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G

I went from –

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***.

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I was in the County Jail. They said “You’re going to court 23


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today.” I said “For what?” S

You were in County Jail for?

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Another case.

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S

Something completely unrelated?

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G

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S

Okay. And they took you to court for that case?

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G

No. They took me out of there. And they said, “You have

court in El Monte.” And I said, “For what?”

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And then, when you got to court, what happened?

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When I got in the courtroom – because they said it was a

temporary court case – temporary – temporary court order.

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A court order for what?

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G

I don’t know. But, I went into the court. And – and they go

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“Oh, sir, we, uh – we ask that the Sheriff’s ***person.” And they asked

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*** the detectives just called us – the Homicide detective just called us,

16

cause they need to speak with him. So, we have to release the –

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To here?

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G

Yeah.

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S

Hmnh. Well, the only thing I can think is, uh, --

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G

They probably just got a warrant out to question me.

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Well, see, the – the – I mean, they can do go downtown and

ls

question you. Why bring you here?

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That’s what I don’t get.

S

Unless it’s for their convenience, you know. That’s the only

25

thing I can think of. Sometimes things are fucked up down there when

26

you try to talk to somebody or you don’t want to go – you know, like when

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an attorney comes down to visit. And they don’t want that happening.

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Like you – like what happened with your visits. Then, they tell you 24


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everything’s locked down or some shit like

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that. I don’t know. It’s hard to say. Did they say who – what detectives?

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Was it Sheriff’s? LAPD? Or -G

What was that?

5

S

Was it Sheriff’s? Or LAPD?

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Sheriff’s probably. Or the –

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S

Wow. You’ll have to ask them that. But, uh – I bet you,

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though, it’s just because it’s at their convenience. You know, they don’t

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give a fuck about *** you know what goes on ***. But, they don’t have to

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drive downtown, if they’re around here somewhere and they can just

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come here. I’ve seen them do that before.

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Even if they were gonna charge me with anything – I don’t

know what they have. But, they would charge me over there. Right?

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S

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Well, they could, yeah. I mean, that – well, why would they

take you to court for that shit, man? Why wouldn’t they just transport you

16

here or – or I mean, how do they know – if they wanted you to come

17

here, they could have just taken you straight from there to here, I

18

suppose. Why the court thing? G

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weird way to go, in front of -- you saw a judge, right?

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Yeah. Well, that seems a little odd that they would go

through that. I mean, even if they wanna fuck with you, that’s kind of a

ia

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They’re just trying to fuck with me, man.

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G

Mmnh-mmnh. They – uh, they called my name. And the

judge goes – “Judge, could we have him dismissed?” S

So, it’s not they just took you over there and put you in a lock-

up somewhere, and then, brought you here? G

No. What it is, is they – you know what they did? They tried

to – they tried to make my attorney not come. ‘Cause my attorney – I 25


1

told my attorney, I said “Oh, it’s no big deal.” S

You know what? That shit works, dude.

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G

I told you.

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S

Fuck.

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G

You got to do it a lot.

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S

Yeah, I only did it on one side. But, I can feel the difference

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between the two sides. Man, that’s some nasty shit, though. I wish I had

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some ***.

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You’ll spit all that shit out.

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Yeah, I don’t know dude. I don’t know why they do that shit.

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G

Man, I know ***.

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S

You – you don’t – you don’t have no idea what this is about?

13

G

Shit, they’re Homicide detectives. Who fucking knows what

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it’s about? S

Well, it’s gonna be a homicide. I mean, did you get involved

in any shit? Or what?

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No.

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No? ‘Cause they don’t come and talk – well, you know what?

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Were you a witness to anything, at all? G

No.

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S

Did you see shit? Or know somebody that did some shit?

Because, you know, I mean, if you’re already down for one thing, and let’s just say you’re – that you don’t have nothing to do with no homicide,

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and they wanna talk to you, because of one of your homeboys or

25

something that was – you know, was in the middle of something, that –

26

they would do that. It’s not like they know your house is your house is --

27

you know, fucking it’s fuckin CJ right now. So, I don’t know.

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All I know is that there was a homicide and my DNA hasn’t 26


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been nowhere where I shouldn’t be. So, if

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anything’s happened to somebody, it’s because I knew them or I’ve been

3

there. So –

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S

Well, they have DNA shit on –

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G

No. I’m just saying that – that’s just me. There’s – there’s no

place I shouldn’t be where it, you know, –

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Oh, so, you – yeah.

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So, if my DNA is there, it’s because I knew the person and,

uh, it was an acquaintance –

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-- Or something.

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Right. I don’t know. That DNA is – that’s what got me fucking

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rammed with that shit. I had to, uhm, -- I guess they got it – G

DNA just places you there. It doesn’t mean you did it.

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No. But, it does put you there, you know. So, if you – but, if

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you’ve got a reason for being there, you know, if that’s, uh, your house or

16

where – wherever it’s at, like you said, you’ve got a reason to be there,

17

then, it’s on them to try to figure out anything else.

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-- All I know is, if you – if you’re there, and they got you on DNA for that shit, then, you know, you’re – if you – you better make – you

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know, make your – fucking did some shit, and you try to say you weren’t

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there, and they got your DNA, then, you’re fucked, ‘cause it’ll match up, you know.

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No. I’ve been nowhere where I shouldn’t be. So, if my DNA

is somewhere, it’s ***.

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S

Yeah. Well –

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I know a lot of people from –

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Yeah. Well, ‘less it’s just like, uh, you know, some – some

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rape or some shit like that where you got some bitch, you know, saying 27


that she got raped. And your DNA – uh, my

2

buddy did that. He – him and his girlfriend were on the way out, and, uh,

3

she called him over. And they did the fucking wild thing and all that shit.

4

And two hours later, he left, she called the cops and said he came over

5

and fucking raped her and all that. And they took her to the hospital and

6

took tests and all that shit. And – and he lied about it because he was

7

hooked up with this other chick, at the time. So, he fucking lied about it.

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And they – so, they fucking did him, because his DNA was in her. And,

9

you know, it – it – and then, he tried to tell them the truth. And, you

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know, they – uh, he – it worked out because she ended up telling them,

11

later on, that she was just fucking him over, just cause, you know – in

12

fact, I think they took her to jail.

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-- But, uh, you know, shit like that, you – that’s how they catch all these fuckers on, you know, uhm, -- what’s that show? Most – America’s

15

Most Wanted.

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G

Mmnh-mmnh.

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S

You know, almost all that shit is DNA stuff where they get

somebody and ***.

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the person.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it’s like finding your fingerprints in your

house. Well, that’s your house. You know, so, –

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That’s if you’re not supposed to be there and you don’t know

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And the thing, it’s not that you know a lot about someone, if

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they supposedly don’t know you, that could be ***. Like you, unless, you

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could talk to me about you, I wouldn’t know nothing about you.

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S

Right.

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G

So, there’s the proof, that you know a person.

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S

Well, yeah, you know, it’s, uh – yeah, if you – I mean, if you – 28


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if you are – and, you know, maybe *** – this

2

whole thing is about sweating you for somebody else. And you may not

3

have no idea who that other person is.

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G

Mmnh-mmnh.

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S

You know, so – man, my fucking nose is cleared out, dude.

Shit. My sister does that. She goes in the shower and takes the fucking

7

showerhead off. It’s on one of those hoses. And she turns her head

8

upside down and shoves that thing down her fucking nose. I would – she

9

tried to get me to do it. There’s no fucking way I could do that. She –

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she sits there and lets it run. Anyways, she swears up and down by that. G

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Mmnh.

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***Oh, man--Uh man. Motherfucker that hurts. Mmnh.

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Thank you.

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What’s up?

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Not much.

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*** Welcome to Hotel California. What’d they get you for?

D

Mmnh, fuck, me and the old lady had a fucking blowout.

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Mmnh

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***

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Okay. There you go.

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Thank you. 29


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You’re welcome.

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G

Get the fuck out of here. Get *** any of that.

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D

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G

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What’s that? ***, you know. *** I haven’t had that since fucking County. County didn’t even give it to me either.

S

***. *** bring your *** and *** in here?

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D

Yeah.

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G

Hey, are you gonna use your comb?

9

D

Pardon me?

10

G

Your comb?

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D

Yeah.

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G

I haven’t brushed my hair for fucking two weeks.

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S

Here, dude, you could have mine. Fuck, I ain’t gonna be

14

able to use it.

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G

Fuck yeah – I wonder why I didn’t get any of that.

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***.

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***

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-- with the regular cops that stop by and grab one of those

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things and –

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Probably ‘cause you didn’t come in here with a –

I can – I had had everything. They wouldn’t let me take it. I

had my lunch and everything.

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Oh, is that right?

S

What did they – what’d you do? Did you just leave it there?

G

They made me leave it there. They said, “Oh, we’ll give it to

you over there.”

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S

You mean, uh, over at the, uh – at CJ? They left it there?

27

G

Yeah. Yeah. No, at the courthouse today. I requested --

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Shit, that shit’s gone. 30


G

Yeah.

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S

They are gonna throw it away.

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G

They wouldn’t let me take it.

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S

That’s fucked up.

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G

Man, you get jammed.

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S

Fuck, yeah.

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G

I’m – I’m in the County Jail under nine fucking ***.

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D

You’re in County?

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Nine High.

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Oh

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***High Power over there.

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D

I know. What the fuck are you doing here?

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Because they’re trying to fucking charge me with another

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fucking crime. Like they’re trying to tack it on to my belt. D

Another homicide case?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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How do you go from High fucking Power to El Monte fucking

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G

Man, I don’t know what they’re doing, man. They’re trying to

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come up with ***. D

Dude, what the fuck.

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G

You think you have problems.

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S

There’s a problem if he’s got Homicide guys coming to talk to

G

And my first charge was fucking robbery and attempted

him.

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murder – which – it was not robbery or attempted murder. They’re so full

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of shit.

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What happened? I mean, do you have any idea what

happened to you? 31


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I don’t even know the person and

the person doesn’t know me.

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Who got killed?

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Nobody.

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Oh. Oh. Okay.

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G

This case, I have no idea what’s up there.

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My attorney ***

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What’s that?

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I said “If they’re gonna charge me, they’re gonna charge me

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Yeah. I’m – I’m being charged with whatever. But, you know

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They better have a lot on me. ‘Cause, if they don’t –

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Well, I don’t know, man. That’s – you know, that’s a cat-and-

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mouse game.

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a fight, huh?

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Mmnh. So, you went to jail ‘cause you and your old lady had

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Fucking bitch, man, I swear to God. I swear to fucking God.

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G

Man, you’re fucking lucky. With that shit, they can ***.

D

You – you know what? Uh, yeah, you are right. I, when you

look at it from your –your viewpoint, but you know it is just--

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I’m fucking claustrophobic ***.

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-- Fucking well, you know.

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G

I’m fighting a huge case. I just got married. I have two

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fucking kids –

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Really? 32


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-- From two different women that I

don’t even get to see. D

You *** your – that’s you’re fucking –

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G

No, man.

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D

-- Press charges against you?

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G

No way. Uh, my wife’s the best.

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I thought mine was too – my girlfriend.

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G

No, you know what? My wife and I don’t fight, man.

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D

*** fucking ***.

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I’m not a – I’m a ***.

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All I know. Fucking my old lady, man, she’ll call the cops at

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the drop of a hat. Fuck. G

They took my DNA, all that shit. And, now, all of a sudden,

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they – they want to question -- talk to me here? Tsk. D

You know what, though?

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They always try to tack on everything, man.

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Fuck.

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What kind of – what kind of – what kind of DNA do they got?

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Do you know? Did they ***? G

Well, they took my blood, my hair and my saliva.

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Shit.

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Oh. Even blood?

G

Yeah. They’ve had it thrown around all over the place.

D

Well, uh, did – you know what? It didn’t sink OJ. My

25

attorney, one time, told me “Don’t worry about DNA, ***.” You know,

26

what he told me “DNA” stands for? Does not apply.

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D

I don’t know either. I’m just – I’m

just telling you. I – I don’t know.

3

S

Well, those fucking cops –

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D

I don’t know what’s happening

5

S

Those cops are the people that are *** for this shit. But, I

don’t know.

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Mmnh, Shit, dude.

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Fuck *** trying to put everything everything – put everything

on my tail trying to make me look like a bad person.

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Well, I don’t know, man. Mmnh. No offense to you. But, you

know, I’m in here for *** with the old lady *** walk out with murder

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charges *** fuck. I walk in here to a live ***.

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G

And, how the fuck, all of a sudden, Homicide detectives want

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to talk to me here. They said they had a court date for me. D

From El Monte?

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G

That’s what they said, I had a court date here. So, the

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County rushed me over to the court. D

Right.

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And the Sheriff’s – the Sheriff’s, “Oh, you know what? We’re

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gonna have to dismiss *** because Homicide detectives like want to talk

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to him.

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Homicide d--Sheriff’s Homicide?

G

And – and they set up a fake court case.

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D

What?

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Yeah.

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Bullshit. Really? How did they do that?

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Fuck me, man.

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Fuck.

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County made me come here, so

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my attorney wouldn’t be here. Not ***the court across the away. So, I

3

told my – my attorney, “What the hell is going on? He’s like, “Oh,

4

nothing. It’s – it’s not on the record. It’s – it’s a mistake.” You know, and

5

I called him and said that, uhm, -D

You called who?

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My attorney.

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Oh. Oh.

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Dude, *** this is no mistake, ‘cause they had me in that – in

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El Monte Jail ***. So, they transferred me. They said “Oh, you know

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what? Uh, I just got called. I just – the Sheriff’s go, “Oh, we just got a

12

call from the detectives. Can we have this case dismissed?”

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Dismissed?

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G

Yeah. Like “Could we have him dismissed from here?”

15

S

He was all fucked up when he came here, ‘cause his attorney

wouldn’t take his call.

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collect calls.

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Oh damn.

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So, a fake court date. Now – and, now, I’m in here. And

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-- He kept fucking telling – they kept refusing his collect –

they’re fucking booking me. They said they’d book me. Hey, you know what time it was when you came in here?

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1:30.

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No, him.

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It’s probably like 5:30.

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Yeah, probably. Nah, I don’t think it’s – I don’t think it’s that

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Mmnh

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Yeah, why?

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I gotta take meds that’s all. *** wanna fucking forget that’s all.

4

D

We’ll ask the jailer. Fuck me.

5

S

Well, can’t live with them, you can’t kill em.

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D

I am here to tell you dude. *** shit, I will tell you what ***. She

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is a fucking beautiful fucking hottie. But, she is fucking more trouble than

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she is worth, in my opinion. And I’m being quite honest here.

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Is she Irish with red hair?

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Nah, you know what? Dude, I had this thing about brown-

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skinned girls. But, I – and she – you know what? She’s a – she’s a great

12

girl. Okay. But, she’s got this fucking temper.

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Wait. Wait. Brown-skin or like brown brown skin?

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Oh, well. ***. I mean, *** Fuck. You know what is fucked up

about this? She’s gonna call tonight and she’s gonna say “Let him go.”

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It doesn’t work that way, though.

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I know it.

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G

Now –

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And they – and they fucking talked to her. And I tried telling

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her that.

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They can just charge you. They don’t care.

S

Did she call? Or the neighbors call? Or what?

D

She fucking called, man.

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She called?

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D

You know what? I’m on fucking probation.

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S

Mmnh.

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You know, I’m like ***

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*** for this. Yeah, they’re gonna fucking put you back –

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I know. You know what?

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Fucking, no, the problem is she fucking, uh – does shit before she thinks.

3

No marks, you know *** not too bad. G

Well, they can’t take you if there’s no marks.

5

D

Well, you know what, dude? I don’t know. I don’t know how El

Monte does it, but uh – I – you know what? I don’t even –

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She’ll be – she’ll be having marks tomorrow. But, it’s not bad.

I just, uh, -- it – it is absolutely –

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All it takes is one little claim, dude.

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No, I’m here to tell you it’s not a fucking case. They don’t

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have a fucking case. And, when she drops her fucking case, they don’t

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have it. The problem is the probation violation. I’m fucked. I’m fucked.

ul

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You’ll probably do more time than we do. (Chuckle heard.)

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D

Hey, you know what?

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S

I’d rather face a murder charge than that shit. (Chuckle)

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D

There’s a lot of fucking man-haters out there, you know.

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Yep.

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And I don’t know what happened.

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Mmnh. ***

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Ugh

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They’ll try to charge me to the-- whatever this is. *** I’m not

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gonna talk to them.

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Yeah. Mmnh.

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Because what they do is they try to find a similarity of a case.

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And they try to connect it to that one person. But, then, the case that I

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have –

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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-- And if live there, or whatever the case may be, they’ll try to 37


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connect me, you know.

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Yeah, right. Yeah, I – I know that. Yeah.

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G

They say “Oh, wait a second. He’s a serial killer.”

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Yeah, what do they call that? Serial or – yeah, I got, you

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know, uh – they call it MO?

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S

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They – you know, they track shit on computers, too. The

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Yeah, it’s a, uh – man, I forgot what it’s called. ***.

computers kick out shit. And, uh, – and I’m not sure how all that works. I

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just know I was ***crime shows and shit that *** track down people to do

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stuff on the computers. And, they – they still got to prove everything.

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They got me on manslaughter charges. This fucking guy I got in a fight

12

with four, almost five years ago, in the fucking parking lot. And we got in

13

a fight. And they say he’s fucking dead. And they’re saying it’s because

14

of the fight. I didn’t even know the guy fucking died. I was – I was gone

15

– long gone. So, I don’t know how the hell they’re gonna do that. They

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found my DNA there, too. They found blood and – and, uh, skin from

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me. I don’t know where the fuck they found it. But, uh –

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Hmm, I’m telling you ***

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You’re probably gonna have probation come talk to your ass,

huh?

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Yeah. You know what? That fucking P.O. of mine, too. ***

S

You got a P.O.?

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Yeah.

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You’re fucked.

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And he’s fucking on my ass. And you know what? I mean,

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he is one of those-- you know, you know, he’s just doing his job, I guess.

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But, fuck me. No way ***fucking ***.

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She’s still pissed off when you left or she over it? 38


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Fuck yeah, man, you know.

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Brown-skinned women.

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Oh, I guess so. It just fucking pisses me off. There’s no

reason for that, man. Bullshit.

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Mmnh. What’s the Sheriff coming down to El Monte – why

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are you here in El Monte and Sheriff’s fucking want to talk to your ass?

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That’s what I said. Why does he – the only thing I could think

10

D

You came from County? ***

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They *** took me from County, L.A. Towers, to the

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courthouse here. I was still with the Sheriffs. And the Sheriffs brought

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me into the court on a fake court case. And then, they took me out. But,

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they – uh, they said hey the police department in El Monte is here. And

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*** I think ***.

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I do not – you know, I’ve never heard of that. Fuck.

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Well, actually, they *** on County ***. That’s my guess. It

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was probably for their convenience, that they probably are stationed

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around here or something.

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Tsk, I don’t know

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*** antsy, are you?

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***

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What are they going to add—uh, additionally charge you with

uh--some new crimes or something?

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***

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That’s all I can think of.

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I knew a guy that was – he was in

jail for some stupid shit. G

What they possibly know ***charges?

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I don’t know. You know, that’s a good question.

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G

I don’t know. If that is possible. Because they have – They

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have nothing.

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Hmm hmm Well –

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I hope so, man.

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You know, I don’t know. ***. I don’t know. It’s hard to say,

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‘cause – mmnh, they got something to get you here on. It might not be

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enough to do shit.

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Well, they’re trying to trace shit. 'Cause they are trying to find

on me. Try to make it look – Who knows-I don’t know. I mean, fuck.

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***.

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S

Yeah.

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Hey, how was that High Power dude?

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That’s where I’m at, now.

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D

How was that?

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Oh, how is it?

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Yeah.

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Put it this way, I’m super sick.

D

Yeah?

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G

Single cell from here – to here.

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D

Yeah.

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G

I’m claustrophobic. It’s all glass.

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Holy shit. It must be like hell.

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Twenty-three hour lockdown.

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Twenty-three hours?

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Yep.

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No phone. No visits.

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Fuck that.

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They’re just trying to freaking cause more problems.

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Regardless, I’ll fight this case, too. I mean, fuck, it’s gonna cost me

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major dollars that I don’t have. But, --

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How many cases you got? Two?

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One.

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One?

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Uh, I ain’t got a pot to piss in, dude. I can’t even fight this

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Mmnh. Do the time?

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*** it’s just – it’s way, you know – ***

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***. The shit is nothing.

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And this is nothing. Always—they fucked me last time. *** .

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Hmm.

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Is it hot in here? Or is it just me?

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No, dude. We tried to get these fucking windows open.

They’re painted shut or something. It’s gonna get hot, too, as soon the sun starts going down farther.

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Mmnh.

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It’s not bad now. But, it was fucking hot and stuffy as shit last

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couple hours ago.

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You know, I can’t call her either, ‘ cause she has like a 41


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restraining order against me, now. G

Man, I made a call for ten minutes. And it was 50 bucks.

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Whoa. From here?

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G

No, in the County.

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Wiped out my wife’s card.

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D

Oh.

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Damn.

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D

What kind of work do you do?

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I’m in electrical.

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Oh. That’s gotta be all right. Guess it doesn’t pay at all when

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you’re locked down. S

What kind of a job you are gonna be missing out on?

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Me?

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Yeah.

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D

Huh, well--believe it or not, I’m fucking – you know where

Marina Del Rey is?

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Yeah.

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I’m a fucking diver.

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A diver?

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Yeah. *** clean boats and recover--watches, earrings, and

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shit like that. You know – you know, people pay me for that ***

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Pay good?

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Uh, it’s okay. Just hard on the body, uhm, *** because, you

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know, it’s kind of fucked up water. But, uh, yeah, so, I do that. I do other

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work. And I’ll go work on, you know, props and *** and stuff. So –

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Mmnh.

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The usual stuff 42


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I don’t know anybody that does

that shit. D

What do you do?

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Carpenter.

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Oh. Yeah.

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***

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***

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Seems like *** plumbers used to fuck us over. They used to

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fucking *** put the plumbing up, five feet over the *** so we had to carry

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all our shit over the stuff. We get *** wars with the plumbers and

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plumbers cutting pipes off it for fucking ***wash down our shitter--

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trashed. D

Yeah, seems like *** both – both of these fucking jobs. But,

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my job is just time is money, you know. You gotta work real fast. And it

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gets real cold all the time.

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Oh. And then, uh, you know, that – you know that bitch who

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Yes, It’s cold for us.

just brought me in here? S

Oh, who?

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That bitch – that fucking bitch that –

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S

Oh. The cop?

D

Yeah, the cop there.

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Yeah.

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*** fucking ***. She, uh – yeah, she goes, uh – she’s the one

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who came in the house and, you know – it’s like my old lady and her, you

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know, -- it’s like she tells her story. *** like fucking*** – you know, they

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gang up on my ass. 43


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Uh-huh.

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Yeah. Fuck. Fuck me.

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So, you did pretty much, when you saw her show up, you’re

4

going to jail, huh?

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D

Oh, yeah. And, you know, she was – I mean, you know, she

had -- my fucking old lady had her convinced. And, uh, she was a

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fucking bitch to me, uh, all the way over here, you know. S

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Mmnh, You violated the sacred code for women and shit.

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Yeah, she’s good-looking though. I’ll tell you what. Fuck me.

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Yeah.

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I guess there are worse people to be arrested by.

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They painted this shit shut on purpose or what?

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No, they probably just painted it and never opened it. Well,

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I’m sure they painted it on purpose. Although they didn’t give a fuck

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about it being open or shut.

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It’s boiling hot. Holy fuck.

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No water huh? How about the white panels? ***? The ones

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are painted solid? *** These?

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S

***the window panes are.

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These?

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Yeah.

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Mmnh. That means it’s gonna get colder than shit here

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tonight.

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***

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I’ve been cold as hell already. Oh, man, it means like ***.

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You wanna come yank down and I’ll have it open? Both of

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What’s that?

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We’ll get it open.

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us?

*** open that. *** shut. I got it ***. No, that’s all. Oh, they

have it screwed.

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Yeah.

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they did.

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How about the top one there?

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Yeah, that’s it. I need a boost.

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D

Is that your finger?

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Shoved my finger.

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Oh, fuck. Probably because *** people yelling ***.

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Probably.

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Yea, it could be. Ugh.

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***.

D

Fuck me.

So, I’ve got to see my fucking P.O. tonight. I’m

sure – I’ll bet that fucker comes in ***. S

They’re supposed to both talk to you – the fucking detectives.

I haven’t heard shit about my stuff. G

I don’t know why my attorney doesn’t roll out here and be

with me. 45


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Is he like a private attorney?

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Yeah.

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S

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I don’t know, man.

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That’s – that’s what causes more shit, you don’t talk to them

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Yeah. I mean, yeah. But, then, again, I, you know, fucking,

do you really want to get a public defender, you know, to deal with ***?

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and they charge you.

No. But, think about it, you get a private attorney and shows

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up and says “You know what? You don’t have nothing***. Why are you

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charging him?”

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Yeah. Yeah, Yeah—Yeah.

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Instead of “Let’s just give him our card – my card and have

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them call me.” The thing is, I’m in custody already here. S

Right.

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D

Well, that’s money well spent. I’d be pissed.

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I’d be pissed at him, not taking the fucking call the first five

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times. ***shit.

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You may still go home tonight while we’re all sitting in here.

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Ugh.

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I can think of worse places. You could be down there –

D

No, no, you’re right. You could be at High Power right now.

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*** That must have been hell, dude. This must be like a fucking palace.

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Well, it’s still jail.

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S

Yeah.

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-- At least you can move around. 46


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I’m fucked up no matter what,

since they have another case, they’ll charge me *** sitting here.

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Oh, ‘cause your first case ***

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Piling***

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S

Well, how did – what are you – what’s your theory? You think

they’re gonna just try to lay anything that looks like that on you?

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Yeah. They don’t care.

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Oh, man, they’re wasting their time *** if you ain’t got nothing

to do with nothing. Then, they’re just wasting time.

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Fucking system man. Bullshit. -- Well, yours

does not sound too bad. You know, it could happen, right. You get in a

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fight, somebody falls on the curb or something. Is it – you know, is it

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really your fault? Everybody’s drunk.

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*** it’s still manslaughter. Still get time for that.

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Yeah, I know that. I know that. I’m just – I’m just saying, at

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least, if they – you know. G

The problem is, if you leave and the person died.

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Yeah, yeah.

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-- Or if he falls down and he’s cool, and two days later he dies

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Well,

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Well, I don’t know. You know, they – see, I don’t know what

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the fuck anyone said about it. I don’t know – I’m kind of like, hell, I don’t

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know nothing about – like, I mean, it’s four or five years ago. Fuck. Do

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they even still have any witnesses, if there was any to begin with, what

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did the witnesses say? I mean, did anybody say anything? Fuck. Or did 47


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he just go home and drop dead in his house?

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I have no idea. D

So, you haven’t talked to any detectives, yet?

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S

No.

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G

My first case.

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Yeah?

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There’s not much *** the person that – that happened ***

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can’t even identify me. *** they identify me, by seeing me and knowing

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me just around.

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Can’t identify you?

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No.

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What the fuck, man?

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They just said a person *** recognized the person.

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No weapon. No weapon. Just – they just witnessed

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someone running out, saying “I’m sorry. I’m sorry.” So, how is that

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attempted murder?

it’s nobody that knows you.

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blood.

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So – yeah. And, as long as there’s nobody to – as long as

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Well, they said they found my blood next to the person’s

D

Well, that’s kind of fucked up.

S

But, is--is that – without getting personal, is that possible that

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they – they found blood from you there? Does that your – is that your

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shit there?

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G

I don’t know the person. Somehow that’s why they arrested

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me. You know, they said they found my DNA – my blood. There was no

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– uh nothing else. 48


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Oh.

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Oh. Well

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S

Detectives’ bullshit.

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G

They wouldn’t have arrested me and charged me, if they

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didn’t have the thing. S

Well, that’s true.

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You better hope, for your sake, it’s all right, man. And like I

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don’t know. I don’t know shit about DNA. Like I said, I’ve never had an

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experience with it. But, you know attorneys they ***come and get 'em out

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Uh, I don’t know any, but-- *** never got convicted.

Personally, never got convicted either. But, that doesn’t mean uh – that

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doesn’t mean shit. S

They see all those shows and shit with that *** often

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happens. But, I think if they got your blood – especially, I think your

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blood – I think the blood is better than your hair or something like that.

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But, that –

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-- Uh – I think they can trace it down to you. But, you know,

look at O.J. Fuck, man. ***.

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Yeah, Johnny Cochran, man.

S

Yeah.

D

Yeah. But, that’s big money, man. I don’t know. What do

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you – I mean, that – I don’t know. I mean, uh, can – can – if you can

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explain it, you know, if it’s somebody you know, uh –

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I don’t know the person.

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You don’t know nobody? 49


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Well, -- well, they’re gonna come at you, then, about that –

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that, uh, blood, uh, if they can – if they can – are you sure they’re not

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lying to you about that? G

Well, that’s what they said they arrested me for.

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Oh. Maybe they’re lying to you.

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They sent it to the lab. And it pulled up my name. So, it’s on

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Mmnh, I’ll tell you what. I – I believe – except in my case,

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Mmnh.

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Well, and like you say, if you got a reason to be at a location,

and stuff like that, then, they can, you know, -- it’s when you – I was

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telling him, when you – when you say you weren’t even there, and you

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don’t know anybody or nothing, and they got your shit, then, --

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-- Then – they are – they got you caught on it. And they’re

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didn’t do it. There was no – you know, nobody had sex. Nobody got

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You’re better off saying that, “Yeah, you had sex. It was –

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So, like, you can’t like – well, I see what you’re saying. Yeah.

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They can prove you had sex with – with a girl. They can ID –

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Really?

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Yeah. Fuck, yeah, dude. That’s – you’re fucking shit’s got

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DNA all over it. And they – they take her to the hospital and give her like

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one of those, uh, coochie exams. And, the next thing you know, they –

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didn’t have no sex. And they say, “Yeah, well, guess where we pulled it

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out of?” And you’re – you’re done. So, --

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-- If you said “Yeah, we had sex, but, it wasn’t a rape,”

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Huh.

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I wish we had a TV in here.

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No, shit.

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Fuck, the Laker games on tonight.

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You ever been to the pen’?

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Yeah. I was in, uh, – a few years back, Soledad. Went to

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Ah, Soledad?

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Yeah. The ole Soledad. A fucking shit-hole. Like a hundred

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year old prison. D

That’s the one all the esses *** their fucking tattoos and shit.

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Fuck, dude. That place is – the new one’s even worse than

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And San Quentin, too. Yeah. Ah, fuck me.

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Yep.

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Now, I’m going this time.

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I think so. I can smell it.

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I’ll tell you what, if you get to Chino, don’t fuck up there,

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‘cause they got a place they put you in High Power there. It’s a big old

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round fucking pie-shaped room. It’s got – they’ve got about eight cells.

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And they got this big circle in the center. It’s – all the rooms are like – it

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looks like a big pie with different slices. And the room is weird. And, if

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they got some guy, you know, being an ass-hole, they’ll open up the

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main door and throw a fucking can of, uh, tear gas in there and shut the

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main door and fuck everybody else off in the whole place.

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Oh.

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So, you’re in a room by yourself getting fucking gassed for

some asshole three doors over.

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Ah.

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Yeah, that’s – that’s – yeah, that’s how they fix things over

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Ah, fuck.

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Fuck that. ***. You’ll probably get visits every weekend from

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So, they got your DNA?

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Yep.

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Is that what they told you?

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Yep.

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Well, I’m pretty sure, ‘cause I don’t what the hell else they got

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on me. I’m pretty sure that’s how they got me. D

Mmnh. What kind of time are you looking at?

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Oh, fuck, I don’t know. You know, it depends. I don’t. I’m all

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say. I don’t – I haven’t talked to anybody. So, I don’t know what the

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fuck, you know, they’ve got or –

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Yeah.

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-- Or if there’s any offers or –

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Who’s got the case on you?

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You know, I don’t even know that. I’m assuming it’s, uhm, --

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Oh

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It’s gonna be, uh, Sheriff’s.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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And I got – since I got a probation violation I’m sure after

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tonight -- I think they’ll probably keep me. Who knows ***. S

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Well, I’d rather be here.

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Yeah, that’s true. I ain’t no hurry to get out of here. I mean,

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You been in here before?

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Um, yeah.

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Well, these fucking -- I had a buddy of mine that was in here.

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And he said these cameras work. But, they can’t hear shit. D

Yeah. Uh, you know what? Yeah.

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He said – he said two guys got into a fucked up fight.

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They can’t hear us. And they can’t listen to you here. But, --

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They can see you.

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-- They can see, obviously, ‘cause, yeah. I think, uh, --

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-- somebody got -- was getting their ass kicked or something.

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Yeah. So, the two guys got their ass – well, one guy’s getting

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his ass kicked by another guy. And it was just fighting. And, you know,

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here and tripped and telling everybody, you know – and they sprayed the shit out of everybody. And –

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Yeah. Well, yeah, they –

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But, it was obvious they weren’t watching their fucking

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I don’t think they can listen,

‘cause of the phone.

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No, they can’t. I’m telling you, dude. I’m telling you, my

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fucking dump-truck attorney told me that, uh, they cannot listen

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Yeah.

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Fuck it.

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Oh, I just don’t --

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Swear to God, all your my shit on the front yard right now.

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My buddy got fucking put in jail for this shit a long time ago.

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He came home. He got out. This is back when they used to hold you for

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24/48 hours, something like that. Then, they’d kick you loose. That was

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kind of your sentence. I mean, it’s been a lot of years ago. He come

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home. And all his fucking shit is in the yard. And it’s a fucking yard sale.

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She was selling all his shit.

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He comes home. He fucking – his buddy picks him up and

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Dinner’s on, gentlemen.

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Oh, bitchin. My steak medium rare? That’s how I like it.

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Thank you, sir.

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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Hey, do you know anything about my medicine?

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***. I’ll take that.

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Uh, medicine?

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You know, I got meds, too, man.

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Uh, no.

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Thank you, sir.

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What, uh, kind of medication is it?

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Uh, I’m taking medicine for congestion and, uh, Tagamet,

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I’ll check with my watch commander. I would, uh – I’ll double-

check on it for you.

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I got, uh – I got some meds, too, that I need.

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What time do you have to take your meds?

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Mine? Uh, just with dinner and – and in the morning.

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Well, if I can, uh, get cleared it through to the watch

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***All right, All right. ***.

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Thanks for the food, sir.

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Uh, who else takes meds?

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I do, sir.

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Well, how often do you got to take yours?

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Uh, they just gave it to me today. I don’t even know the

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Uh, right now, it’s getting ***up. ***. I’ll get mine right now

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Uhm, do you need – if you feel the need for it right now, I can

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Uhm, some of the Tagamet for my stomach and the

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Sir, I’m – I’m majorly congested.

I’m serious.

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Okay. So, that’s why, you *** said –

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Yes, sir.

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-- it’s not a cold thing.

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Yes, sir.

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All right. Give us a minute.

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Thank you, sir.

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What’s your name, by the way?

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Garguilo, sir.

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And who’s the other – what’s your name who uses the meds?

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Baker, Jeff.

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All right.

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Thank you, sir.

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Man, it’s hot.

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Fuck, man, this is better than – fucking***.

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*** the hottest meal I’ve ever had in my life.

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I’m – I’m just gonna eat one of these sandwiches. *** green

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bologna. G

Bologna? Not peanut butter?

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If you have happy peanut butter, hell, I’d be happy with one.

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Jelly and fucking ***green bologna sandwich.

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Peanut butter. You like peanut butter?

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Uh, yeah, I don’t mind it.

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For two days – for, uh, two times a day for two weeks.

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No, I’d hate peanut butter after that. Ha-ha.

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I’m not even eating, man. I can’t even eat ‘cause of my

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Mmnh, mmnh.

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I’m gonna try to eat.

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Shit, this is fucking not bad. Good stuff.

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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I want to know what the hell I’m doing here. Man, this is

ridiculous. All of a sudden, I’m here,

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Well, just between you and me, I wouldn’t be in a hurry to get

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locked down or nothing or shit ***. D

Yeah, ***, too.

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I’m worried about what they’re trying to stack on to me now

man. Who knows what they’re doing?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, I’ll tell you what. ***My fingers crossed for you,

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If you don’t have shit -- they don’t have anything on you, then,

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something, you need to start figuring out how to fucking, you know, like a road hazard, you got to move around and explain shit.

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Uh-huh.

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Oh, I can do that in a court room any day. Uh, like I said, “My

DNA doesn’t end up anywhere

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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--Unless I know that person.”

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My DNA, uh, won’t end up on

you, unless I knew you. D

Oh. Oh. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah.

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So –

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Well, that depends. You know –

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Unless they planted it on you.

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Yeah.

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True.

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Any kind of bullshit. That’s pretty – that’s a pretty tough thing

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to prove. G

You know how many pieces of hair they took from me?

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No.

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Over 75, cut it in all different ways it would fit. And, for what

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reason? And, now, all of a sudden, there’s a warrant out for my arrest

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down here.

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Mmnh-mmnh. This is freaky shit for ***.

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Yeah, Mmnh-mmnh. I was fucking hungry.

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I’m gonna start doing more fucking crimes in El Monte

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I know – I know fucking guys that *** that would do a crime

just to come in here and eat.

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Well, I’ll tell you what. Yeah. If you were living on the street,

this would be all right. Tell you what. Mmnh. Mmnh. J

Okay. You’re lucky I caught my watch commander before he,

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Do I take my food? Or –

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No, uh, you don’t need your food. Just bring yourself. You

don’t need your jacket. You’re coming right back. You’re not going

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I’ll help him to concoct his story.

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What’s that?

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I’ll help him to concoct his story.

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No, you should probably just let it ride right

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***.

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He’s real tired right now. He was asleep in here when I ***.

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He hasn’t talked to them. Not tonight. ***.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And I already told ***.

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Tomorrow morning.

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What?

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Tomorrow morning.

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Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

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Or, the other side*** if, uh, he goes and talks to them, and

they lay it on him what they’ve got and what they’re gonna do –

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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-- A lot of it’s gonna depend on what they say, you know, if

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***.

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Well, part of that is just gonna be straight up with us --

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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-- Of what he did. I’m thinking he was out there and comes

for them to, uh, talk to him. Tomorrow sometime. S

tries to reach *** or something.

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But, tell them they’re trying to get him out, until he calls and

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Hey, uh, call Lillienfeld and tell him tonight’s not a good night

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Yeah. The only thing they’re worried about is the attorney –

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Rather than hear what they have to say.

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You going out next?

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Mmnh?

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You’re going out next? Uh, it’s not bad, man, for jail food.

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Shit. This is bitching.

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You going for meds now?

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Yes, sir.

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All right.

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My – my compliments to the chef.

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Hey, I try.

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Hey. ***. Mmnh—Mmnh, Mmnh. You all right, man?

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You got asthma or something?

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No, just a cold from all the AC blowing in my face.

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Wow, hey, I could use a little AC in here today. I’m about

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ready to take this fucking shit off. S

Oh, man.

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I had a warrant out to go to court today. And then, the court

was released. And, now, I’m being questioned by Homicide detectives?

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What’s that? Man, that – I’ve never, in my life, heard of that.

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No, they did that to get me out here without an attorney.

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Really?

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My attorney said “You don’t need me. Why?” It’s just –

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Oh, he didn’t even know about the –

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Well, he thought that – that there was just a mistake.

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I don’t know, brother. If I was you, uh, I’d be uh – thinking of

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a good story. Seriously, 'cause you know that they could come at you. G

Even if I had an attorney?

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Well, no, no, no. Well, whatever. Give – you know, give

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Yeah.

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‘Cause, you know, like I said, he’s at home right now

watching the Lakers game. You know what I mean? *** just gonna fight as hard as you are for yourself. That’s been my experience. But, God, I

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This last case I’m in --

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They charged you with what?

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The worst. Like they don’t know if it was a burglary that went

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wrong – wrong – went wrong. And – and they’re saying it’s attempted

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murder. They don’t know. D

Well, can you do something with that?

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I’m fighting it now.

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I know. But, can you think of a good – can you think of a

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Mmnh, I’ll tell you what ***.

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Okay, man. I don’t know.

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All the -- the papers speaks by itself. They said that they

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heard a big thump – the neighbors. And then, they heard the person

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running out and say “Sorry.”

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“Sorry”?

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Yeah, “Sorry. Sorry. I’m sorry.” Something like that.

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Hmnh. ***. Wow.

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Now, who says “Sorry,” if that’s attempted murder?

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I don’t know. I don’t know. ***. Unless they didn’t mean to do

it. ***.

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Unless they didn’t mean to do it *** . You’re right.

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But, that’s on the paper.

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What?

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The police reports.

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This is hot, huh?

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because I – not my lawyer – I --could gave myself an alibi. So, --

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Listen, I beat a case once

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Well, my wife even stated I was at home. But, they’re still

saying my blood’s there.

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Okay. Well, let me tell you something. Again, I don’t know

shit about DNA. But, let’s just pretend – let’s just pretend for a second

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guy right?

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Man, you see that dark hole right there?

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The wide hole?

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Uh-huh.

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Which way?

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To the left I think ***.

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Oh, outside?

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Right here to the left.

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No.

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All closed glass. It’s like a little small hole is all.

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Where, dude?

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When this door opens, to the left, there’s a little door with

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the left?

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Uh, no, no. You know what that is, dude? That’s the shower.

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Oh.

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That’s the shower. Yeah. I know, I thought it was a hole or

something.

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That was freaking me out, dude.

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No, no, no, no. That’s the – that’s the fucking shower, dude.

I’m here to tell you, this is an old jail.

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They’ve been telling me that that’s the last time you’re gonna see your

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Holy shit. Who said that?

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The Sheriffs.

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At?

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At County.

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Oh, fuck. Well, anyway, I beat my case because – I – got my

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own fucking alibi. Now, I may have my – ‘cause, you know, I didn’t have

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any ***. You know, you got to get creative , right? You got nothing but

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time, here. Your attorney’s got a lot of cases, a lot of people to talk to. A

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lot of lunches to go to – I don’t know. That’s just me, man. ***. I *** to

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my wife. So, I’m just here to tell you. Be your own best friend. I have a feeling this – this other case ***.

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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*** – I wasn’t there.

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Yeah.

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Uh, I was with my – my daughter’s mom. But, she’ll lie and

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She’ll de- -- deny it?

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Yeah. Yeah, she will.

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Why?

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‘Cause she--we have – we have – we, uh – we don’t talk

really ‘cause ***. Because I left her for someone else when she was

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your blood was there, and your attorney – and your attorney can’t get

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that’s just me, dude. I’m just here to tell you. I’m being real. I’m keeping

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it real. But, I’m just here to tell you, uh, if they can pinpoint that you were

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there, like you said, though, you know, – there’s no – no DNA anywhere,

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you can’t – that you can’t explain away don’t even know. I don’t know,

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dude. I’ve been around too long. Uh, again, uh, – uh, I just – I fucking – I

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think – I think my own shit out. I’m pretty – you know what? --That’s one

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thing I can do pretty good is, uh, create. So, that’s what I do. That’s one

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***. And there’s no – there’s no wriggle room for a second fuck.

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Well, on this other case *** I know they don’t have shit.

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Really?

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Yep. I don’t know. They don’t – they’re just trying to question

me because of this other case I’m in.

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Could be? Yeah. It could be. ***

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And because they couldn’t find a case that was by me, where

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I used to live. And I pulled it up on my computer. So, you know what I’m

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saying? So, they just said, “Wait. What the fuck is this doing on his

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computer?”

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Oh. Oh, I see what ***. Yeah, *** like – like a news, uh,

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***, yeah.

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So, there was a *** murdered nearby ***.

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Yeah.

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What the fuck, man? How many people – how many of those

fucking computer heads do you think they got? Some people get their

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news from computers, you know. I don’t know, but, uh--I don’t know,

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dude, you know, you may have to think about, I don’t know, that, uh –

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that they – if they say – if it’s really true your blood is there, uh, God, you

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Yeah.

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I mean, just, uh – you can do it. I think I can do it. I think I

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can do it. *** matter of fact, I know I can do it.

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Thanks.

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Uh-huh.

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Man, aren’t we lucky. I said we’re lucky we got to take our

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medicine.

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Yeah, no shit.

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Hmnh.

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What’s wrong with you, man?

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Ah, just fucking I’ve got antibiotics and, uh –

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Oh, I’ve got you.

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Cholesterols and I got some pain medicine for my back and

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shit. And some asshole *** with the fucking forklift full of studs, I ‘m down

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putting the-- you know the shins underneath? The--the 67


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Yeah.

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Fucking walking the other side *** And fucking snapped a

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band and the whole fucking shit fell over on my ass. D

Fuck, ***.

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That’s pretty funny if you weren’t me.

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Yeah. It’s like a Wiley Coyote cartoon ***.

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You know, it’s okay. It’s *** shit for now.

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Oh, yeah, we’re laughing at ya. You going back to work?

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Yeah, I’m going.

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Where? You still got a job when you get out of here?

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Yeah.

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If you can beat this case, huh?

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Yeah, well, I’m gonna***.

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Do you – do you have button fly pants, either one of you?

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I’m sorry?

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Do you have button fly pants?

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No.

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Oh. I was gonna say we could take the button out and use Oh, yeah.

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Get the screw out.

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Fuck that. I can’t. Probably would file a fucking escape

charge on us, huh?

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Would they?

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I don’t know, man. Does that lead to the outside? Or does

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that got bars on it?

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Yeah. It’s open air.

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Open air? 68


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Mmnh-mmnh.

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Wow. No wonder they screwed it shut. Well, fuck, dude.

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That’s a heavy sentence, too. G

Yeah. Well, what’s a heavy sentence?

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Well, to try to, you know –

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You know what?

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-- Try to put your hand out the window or something.

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I should have asked the fucking jailer.

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Yeah, what we could do –

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The next time he shows up, ***.

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Yeah. I mean, you know what? This guy’s been all right. He

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But, if we’re quiet, we are not causing no problems.

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Nah, nah.

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Yeah.

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Nah. We’re not fucking gang-bangers.

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Monte Flores.

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No, not gang-bangers. El Monte’s full of gang-bangers.

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*** Motherfuckers.

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You know what this guy showed me? ***

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Mmnh.

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*** water through nose.

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*** it stops that. 69


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Well, it was only the drip.

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Yeah.

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I fucking had a hard time doing it. But, it worked.

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Snorting like water up your nose?

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Snorting water, dude.

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Oh, you know what, dude? When I was learning how to dive,

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fucking thing I could have done.

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Salt water would kill everything.

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Yeah. Then, it just about killed me, too. *** about fucking

drowned***. But, I think I got a sinus infection from it.

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But, this thing is like a different water, now. ***But, yeah, salt

water eats anything. Yeah, especially, if iodine’s in the water, it’ll fucking

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clean you right out.

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*** shit

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The marina is fucked up. People flushing***. The shit floats

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Ugh.

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Yeah, got shit everywhere now. That’s all right. It’s a livin.

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I wonder if we’re having cheesecake for dessert.

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Oh, yeah.

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Strawberry shortcakes.

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Sure. I’ll take my mine with the, uh, raspberry sauce, please. 70


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God, I can’t believe my old lady did that to me.

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You can’t.

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I wonder when these motherfuckers are gonna make a

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I wanna know why my wife didn’t set her phone up, yet.

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Why your wife what?

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Didn’t set her phone up.

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Didn’t set it up? Huh, Like a cell phone type thing?

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Yeah, she had it set up. But, she hasn’t even came to visit

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Dial the phone number, now. Please say your name after the beep.

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Michael.

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One moment, please.

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Are you waiting for a—visit?

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*** the detectives supposed to talk to me? I’ll mention my

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Is that gonna happen tonight?

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-- 5:30 or something by now. So, I don’t know.

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I don’t know why my wife didn’t hook up her phone.

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One moment, please.

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Michael.

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The number you called is not allowed. Not allowed?

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The number?

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Nah.

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Is it cell phone? Or home phone? 72


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Home phone.

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Yeah, you can’t call a cell, ***.

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Yeah, you can. She hooked it up.

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Really?

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She hooked it by ***.

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Oh

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Oh, that’s for from the jail.

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you go through a landline. Hmnh Hmnh.

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Oh, fuck.

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Does she know you’re here?

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No.

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I’d hate for her to go stand in line down there.

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Huh?

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I said “I’d hate for her to go stand in line down there and not

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They told her I was in lockdown yesterday, and I wasn’t.

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know where you are.”

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-- oh, my God. I’m so weak and fucked up.

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***, man.

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I’ll tell you what, though. I see why the fucking water shit

works. My – my head is --

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You were drowning, man.

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I was coughing every fucking ten seconds, dude.

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Really?

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Yeah. And, yeah, though, you’re right. It is, it’s like fucking 73


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breathing water.

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Good. You know, it fucking works for ya.

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I’ll tell you what, it burned like a mother fucker.

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Yeah, I hear you, pal.

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I mean, *** you got like a *** that comes up to your nose and

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shit. ***.

How would you like it – how would you like to die fucking ***

drowning?

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Do what?

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Drown – drown to death?

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Oh, no.

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You wouldn’t even know. You would just go out –

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It would hurt. Like I – you know what? I mean I was thinking

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about that. If it burns, it hurts, and all that shit. I – ***. S

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skin surface – ‘cause that’s where all your pain cells are. D

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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I mean, how many times have you cut yourself –

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Yeah.

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-- And you don’t – you know, you barely feel it, because the

cut can be bleeding? But, you don’t feel it.

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I mean, you feel it, ‘cause you know you’ve been cut but -

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Fuck that, dude. *** mother fucking ***. Yeah. Needles I

can’t stand. G

What about ***, did you guys – did they fill out any paper

work? D

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At the court, they – they took my

picture and made me put my fingerprints on it.

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Really? But, you did that before, right?

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Oh, no. That was here at this court – the Foley courthouse.

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That’s probably because they moved you here. That’s

probably for these guys here.

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For the records or something?

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Yeah, ***, ‘cause you’re probably still concerned a, uh – a

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County guy.

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Right, ‘cause we weren’t in uniform.

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Yeah, we’re – we’re El Monte guys, ‘cause we – we’re here.

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You’re probably a County guy. So, they probably had to do, you know,

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some kind of paper work for – for this place, I’m guessing.

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book you, uh, and *** runaround until you, uh, -- uh, sober up. S

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something. Or you have a real problem.

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No, they don’t fucking charge you. They didn’t have – they

have to ***. They don’t do it. *** if you’re fucked up, they charge *** or

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Well, they can still charge you ***.

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Do they – well, did they put a charge on you, on your

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paperwork for here when they picked you up? The paper work is ***

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filled out?

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I know.

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Why would they pick El Monte if the Sheriffs want to talk to

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you? They got their own Sheriffs station down here.

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I bet you we’ll find out later it’s because it’s just convenient for

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You think so?

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Dude, ***, they could – they – if they wanted to talk to him,

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-- You know.

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Why send him to court?

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***

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Yeah. That’s really weird.

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Temporary court order *** -- and uh—

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Yeah.

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-- paper work.

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Yeah, and, at first, they had me *** around my ***. Right here.

They’ve got ***.

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*** they didn’t like your prints.

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Should I ask for air?

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Yeah. Well, ***.

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We should ask for air, not too much, but—

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Can we get some air here?

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They won’t let us *** the window. Fuck, let me see your

zipper. I’m not gay. Don’t worry, I’m married.

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Huh?

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Let me see your zipper. Oh, yeah ***.

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Mmnh-mmnh. Dude, I don’t fuck around and risk it. I’m here

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to tell you. I don’t need a fuckin another charge. G

No one’s being charged.

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Well, what if it’s like attempted escape or something?

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With what fucking closed window?

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I don’t – yeah. Well, what we’re asking to do here – what

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we’re trying to do is unscrew that fucking thing. Why don’t you just tell

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them to turn on the fucking air conditioner.

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Then, they freeze you all night, dude.

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That’s true. Then, you get sick, again, and you have

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pneumonia and fucking die a terrible death, you know. G

***two fucking bullshit things to fight.

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Yeah, sounds like a ***. Well, Although that blood thing

worries me, man. I barely--I just met you. But, that fucking worries me about that shit. Yeah.

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Thinking we’re doing something stupid. *** and you’re gonna

have ***. D

Yeah. And, uh, exactly. You know, there’s fear. There’s,

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*** charges *** violent crimes the kind of bullshit the officers

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Yeah.

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-- For everything.

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I hear you. I’m just telling you like – like my friend here, you

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know, when that happened a long time ago, and, uh, he – you know,

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think about it, man. Hey, could you make up a story, uh, that sounded

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What’s that?

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***That’s what was on the report.

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Yeah, but it wasn’t you.

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I know. But, --

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What are you gonna do about the fucking blood?

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No, that’s what they were saying. But, that’s --

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*** Fucking knife *** some guy standing over her with a *** That’s what she’s saying, man. That’s impossible ***, that’s

wrong. I mean –

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knife?

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Well, it wasn’t uh—you know--

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No way—That’s the report that I read and I was like what?

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How the fuck?

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Okay. So, you got that.

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How does somebody say that, and then, -78


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So, you got that. So, they – the

girl wakes up. There’s a guy standing over here with a knife. Uh, -- uh, -

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- uh, she’s stabbed. Your blood’s found there. Uh, you know, um, think

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about it and think of fucking a lof of different ways to get around it really.

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***. I mean, it’s dicey. But, you – you got to – do you trust your

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attorney?

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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Come up with a good plan, and then, sell it.

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What do you say?

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Well, you know, think about it.

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Even if you know the fact you are being framed – or what

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type of story?

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I don’t know. I’m being nosy ***.

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No, I know, -- for a fact I wasn’t there.

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Okay. Well, how does your blood get there?

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That’s what I’m saying. They’ve been—they’ve been

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threatening. One detective took my blood a few years ago and says “I’m

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gonna get you, mother fucker.”

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Oh, yeah.

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Okay. Well, you know, that’s a possibility, dude. I am here to

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So, you think they planted your blood there?

tell you , you know. I just--uh-So, you, in general, how do you explain that?

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You’re – uh--without going around –

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With-- what?

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Without beating around the bush, how do you –

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Without beating around?

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Talk in my ear though, man.

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Okay. *** . Sorry about that. Well, listen. This is what I’d say

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huh. Okay. Uhm, I am telling you, dude. They *** shit. ***

fucking *** dude.

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Yeah, but, they can’t use anything against you.

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***.

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If I’m talking to you without fucking, uh, ***, they can’t fucking

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Yeah, okay. I get it. Okay.

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We’re talking about you being there. Well, if you’re gonna go

with the fact that – that you were framed, uh, I am telling you right now. G

***.

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fact, that’s the fact. You know, you gotta—you gotta work around it. Uh,

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you know, it’s, uh, -- it’s, uh – you have to come up with ***. I mean, *** you think *** believed OJ fucking did that – that fucking murder?

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Hmnh.

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Yeah. ‘Cause you’re a smart guy. Right? Yeah.

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You’d have to be a fucking idiot to believe he didn’t fucking

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kill the girl. Okay. Uhm, nobody, except for that fucking jury, okay, was

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convinced that he didn’t do it. Ah Hmnh. My only thing is, you know 80


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*** .

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Okay. Well, I wouldn’t--I wouldn’t fucking say to the

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detectives put it there because that dude, I am telling you, it’s such a big

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fucking gamble. G

I know, I understand, ***.

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Okay. This is a – this is a – this is just out of my ass. Okay.

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But, if you’re fucking there with this girl, uh, and, uh, somebody breaks

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into your fucking house. Okay. It’s her house, you know.

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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whacked. Okay. Okay, he is fucking wiping you if he catches you ,

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fucking you’re out of here. Right?

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*** cut the person’s right arm fighting ***

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But, how do you know that? How does she know -- *** you’re

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a fucking air conditioning guy? G

I know. I know.

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Fucking, you know, uh, -- uhm, my, uh, hands are all fucked

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***.

What the fuck dude. Okay. And, okay, can you think of –

okay. Think about – you--you’re a smart guy. I’m a smart guy. Think

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about how fucking you got in that – how you da fuck did it happen. Was

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– was there somebody – okay. Okay. Look and, again, I don’t mean to, I

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don’t wanna offend you, but just pretend—fucking--what if you broke in—

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what if you and your buddy, you know, did burglary on the house. Didn’t

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think anybody was home. Your buddy is an assole. He’s a druggie, 81


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okay. He’s a fucking tweaker. Okay? You’re

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going through. You fucking break open you know--you open the door, uh,

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into a room. And, guess what, there’s a fucking bitch laying there.

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Does that sound – I mean, what do you do? fucking booking,

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Yeah, you could do that. Uhm, you know, uh, -- uh, you

know, it’s risky. But – but, is it believeable? Fucking ey, you know, anybody who uses a fucking knife is gonna get cut. I’m here to tell you, dude. Okay. Almost every time. Okay. Think about it. Your hand is in

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and then you get into a scuffle –you get in a scuffle a person

gets stabbed a few times so you don’t get identified ***.

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Yeah. yeah, uh --yeah. they call it by the way, they call it. Uh,

***uh--I got one of those—uh—when I was a kid. ***.

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What about just random--What about just uh random

robbery? Someone wakes up.

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rat out my buddy. Would you?

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a fucking sling. You know, there’s all kinds of shit happening. So, you

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use the knife – your blood. Or maybe she scratched the shit out of you,

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right? Uh, girls do that. You know, it’s just a defensive mechanism.

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Okay. Look. If you’re saying it’s a –

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don’t know anything.

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I thought you said it was a girl.

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No, they say they don’t know—girl or guy.

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Okay. Whatever, dude. Guys do it, too. You know, if I

fucking was on your ass, you’d fucking tear my hair out and fucking

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punch me in the face and the balls and fucking, you know, whatever,

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right.? But, if it was---was ***ass kicked, if you were desperate and you

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thought you were gonna get killed, you’d fucking – you would knick, cut

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me, fucking do whatever it took. You’d beat my ass. You’d try. You’d

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fucking do – you’d tackle me, whatever it took-- to get away, is your big

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thing, right? You’re on – you’re on your defensive. Okay.

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Hmnh. okay. So, let’s talk about your--your theory. You go in. You do it,

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right? People do that all the time. You don’t think anybody’s home. You

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fucking run across her and she – you scare her. Uhm, she’s scared.

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You know, she startles you. Uh, you know, you – you fucking – you

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know, people fucking do that shit all the time. They’re carrying weapons.

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People that do break-ins, almost always have a fucking knife or

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something on them – some kind of weapon. Why? Because it’s

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somebody else’s palace. Right? Somebody else’s castle. Right?

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Uh, you don’t have to talk about it anymore. I noticed that

***corner ***. Dude. ***

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Okay. I understand.

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I fucking know dude. They can’t do it. But– That’s okay. It’s

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no big deal.

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They can’t frame you?

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I’ll keep it real quiet. I ‘ll keep it quiet.

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They can’t what?

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They can’t record you. I’m here to tell you. It’s a – it’s a

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federal violation. They could fucking – it’s *** the fucking FBI would be

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down on their ass. It’s wire-tapping. It’s clearly ***.

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The feds did it. *** it takes a federal judge to do uhm—

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All I am saying—I know nothing about the fucking cases I am

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being charged-D

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***.

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Okay. Let’s think about it.

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*** us and deny that you’re fucking ***. *** try to ***.

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Nah, I’m not – I’m not –that’s what ***. They had all the

paperwork. D

They said what now?

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*** All the paperwork ***.

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Okay, nobody saw you, right?

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Hmnh-mmnh. Okay, you’re—you’re--nobody saw you, uh—but—but you

gotta explain the blood away. Uh—okay? If you break into a house, okay

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– you’re not supposed to be there – sure. But, we all get scared. Listen.

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If you were an armed robber, there with a gun, fucking holding up and

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sticking up places-

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What if ***.

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Well, then, you’re looking for violence. But, guys who break84


in to homes aren’t violent. Right? They

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consider themselves as a sneak thief. Then, they go in and steal shit

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when people are away. You thought she wasn’t there. You tried to steal

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her shit. And she was there, okay. God, you know, God, who knows

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what she did to you. Uh, but, uh, -- uh, you had to finish something and

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get the fuck on. Uh, you didn’t know how fucking bad you hit her, you

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know, whatever, dude. I don’t know. I’m just saying that’s a – uh, you

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know, it’s not a bad plan. But, to deny it?

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Just, you know, again, you got some decisions to make.

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Now they’re charging to lay another homicide on me.

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Well, you know what, dude? You don’t know shit about that,

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yet. Uh, when you – when you, uh, -- you know, maybe, uh -- you have

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no fucking idea what that’s about?

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Man, I – ssh, the warrants, all of a sudden, just start coming

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out of ***. I have a clear record. I’ve never been in trouble.

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Okay. But, fucking, you know, start making your game. Uh,

man, the last thing you wanna do is just to hope they don’t find out. You

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got to think, I am telling you. Those fuckers they fucking *** in chains. All

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the dumb fucks that you see catching the chains, okay. If you took ten of

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those guys, fucking nine of those mother fuckers stood up and say “I

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we fucking think. You’re a smart guy, I can tell. I can fucking help. I’m a

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smart guy, too.

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Yeah, you are.

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fucking – I can get creative. Uhm, I know

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you’ve been thinking about it. And just to walk in and say “I don’t know

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what the fuck are you talking about,” uh, ain’t gonna fly. You gotta start

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thinking. You know, uh, you know--think of a plan, you know. G

What if the forensics guy see?

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What’s that?

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The cuts – they’re covering the way the cuts were made. The

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burglary somewhere else.

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No, the other person’s cuts or shots.

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Oh. Yeah, I don’t think they can tell you about how it was

held.

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I don’t know. Like seven, eight, nine, ten.

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Oh, fuck. Okay. I was gonna say if it’s just the one, then,

you can say “He fucking fell on the ground and something accidentally happened.” But – but, hey, if somebody’s on your ass, it’s a natural

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reaction, by intervening, right?

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Just that fucking timing. I mean, you’re right, you – you –

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look. You’re-- uh, you – you’re the – you’re the dude that has a problem

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with drugs ***. Jus – just – say it. Let’s just pretend. I’m making up a 86


story. I’m your attorney. I’m thinking up a

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persona. “My client—ladies and gentlemen of the jury, okay, uh, is a

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dope – is a dope fiend. He’s got an addictive personality. He needed

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drugs in the worst way. He’s not a confrontational guy. He doesn’t stick

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up banks. He doesn’t go into 7-Elevens and rob em at gunpoint. He

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doesn’t pistol-whip people. He breaks into houses to get jewelry, to get

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money. He doesn’t trash the houses. He doesn’t do anything else. He

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goes in and steals it. Is it terrible? Yes, it’s terrible. But, is it him? No,

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it’s the drugs.” Okay?

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just trying to kick the habit, “ go into the house and-– you know, you –

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you scope the house out before you do it. You watch it for a while. And

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you’re sure – you’re knocking on the door. Nobody fucking came to the

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door and are you convinced nobody’s in there? Okay. *** is terrible.

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You don’t want any problems. Right? Am I making sense?

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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it is. Now, ***, dude, you don’t know, right?

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yeah--he or she fucking, uh, goes bezerk –when people go berserk, if he

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– he or she grabs something and attack you – or maybe just fucking

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flame out and think everything’s bad and start fucking throwing. You’re

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scared, dude. ‘Cause why? ‘Cause you’re a non-confrontational dope

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addict. All you want is to run away. And this person, uh, is flipping out –

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they’re startled, you fucking lash out and fucking bolt. G

So, what do they charge you for that shit?

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What’s that?

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What do they charge for – charge for that shit?

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Uhm, well, I mean, there’s charging, and then, there’s being

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found guilty. Uh, burglary? You bet. Uh, could they throw a, uh, -- could

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they throw maybe a – uh, you know, assault with a deadly weapon in

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there? Sure. But, are you trying to fucking kill her or him? You – you

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to kill people, generally, – unless generally Richard Ramirez – no.

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You’re fucking in there and– you’re just trying to get in there, take the

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shit, and fucking split. That’s all. That’s fucking – man, that’s – that’s

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your story. That’s a fucking bitching story. You’re gonna do time for it.

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I’m here to tell you, but you’re not gonna fucking, uh, the wor -- you’re not

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gonna get the worst case scenario.

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My first offense I’ll still do time, huh?

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What’s that?

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My first offense –

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Yeah.

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-- With that—the time like? 15 years?

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What kind of record you got?

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No record.

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I don’t know, man. Think about it. You know, uh –

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I have a felony for taking *** when I was 16 or 17.

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What was it?

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Taking a garage door opener from someone’s car ***. 88


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I had a domestic violence that was dropped when I went to

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Wow. I feel your pain there. (Chuckles) Uh, no, I don’t – I

court.

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mean, if it’s – if it’s dropped, it – it can’t be held against you.

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And a restraining order against me from somebody – a girl I

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Well, again, I feel your pain. But, uh, --

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Yeah. But I – but, I’ve had zero– no problems.

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Uhm, L.A. County Jail is--the state prison system – uh, system are

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fucking way, way, way overcrowded. Right? Yeah. I mean, sure, you

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may have one-man cell. But, that’s not the norm in L.A. County Jail.

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They’ve got floor-sleepers and shit. Do you really think - does anybody

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really want you *** locked there any longer than you have to? That’s why

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they’re getting these fuckers out at ten percent, yeah, you know. I mean,

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(exhales)– I don’t know. it’s – it’s just – it’s just – uh, you know what?

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You seem like an all right guy. And, you know what? On the outside, I –

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I believe you and I get along really nice, uhm, because you’re a smart

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guy. I’m a smart guy. Uh, it seems like we got kinda personalities alike.

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Uh, and you don’t like to think about getting locked down.

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I’ve never been in trouble.

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That’s my point. You take a guy who has got no violence in

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his background and fucking put him in – in for a – for an ungodly amount

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of time?

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I have never been in trouble, dude.

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houses are a whole different class of – of – of

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crook to the legal system. They’re not violent Richard Ramirez kind of

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guy. Right?

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This is what I think. Uhm, I’m just – you know, I’m just

coming up with ideas. I mean, you came up – and, you know, this one –

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you know, I gave you an idea and you had a great idea. Uh, either one

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of them is gonna work just fine. Uh, and I think you – I – I think, because

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of that drop of blood, steal yourself, understand you’re probably gonna

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do some time. How much is important. You’ve got two children at home.

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You don’t wanna do fucking forever. Are they your kids?

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Yeah, I’m married and my wife’s about to.

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wife is fucking – or a good girl – a good lady, anyway -- I ain’t married.

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But, a good lady is the fucking, they’re ***. But, they keep the – to keep

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the fucking home fires lit for you, you know. But, the thing is, uh – uh,

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you’re in a world of hurt right now. And ignoring it ain’t gonna fucking

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help. I told you, nine of those ten people in that fucking chain, ignored it.

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And that’s why they didn’t have ***. The guy that came up with a

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plausible alibi – that’s what the attorney called it – a plausible alibi,

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Number 1 – and sure, you may – you may take – you may take – you

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whether the, uh – uh, oh, it’s – it’s the doubt factor. Is it possible that

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he’s telling the truth?

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telling the truth, then, they can’t convict you for a serious crime.

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Well, you don’t know what they’re

doing, yet. Hell, they – they might – you know, they might just be, uh, out

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fishing, you know. You don’t know. You know, well – or, if you’re lucky,--

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they’ll come up to you and tell you, uh – uh, here’s our case. And what

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they got in it. Now, you think “Well, I’m not that lucky, that sounds like

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shit.” But, the fact is, it is lucky, because you, now, know what they

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know. And you can come up with an explanation.

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And, hell, dude, you know? Maybe you’re here – are you

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No, man. I didn’t witness shit.

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So, this is something that *** –

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They’re just trying to throw shit on my tail. They’ve been

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doing it for years. D

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Pull me in, question me, and tell me that I’m the Manson

killer. ***.

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I think detectives do that shit, you know. They don’t call them “dicks” for

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nothing. Right?

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Like Dick Tracy. Yeah. They’re – they’re fucking, uh, -- they

can be assholes.

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Uh-uh –*** .

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***. You’re a smart guy. Did you go to college?

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Yeah.

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You’re a fucking smart guy. I could tell. Fucking use your

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Why in the fuck they *** my ass to

El Monte homocide detectives? I’m so lost, man.

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Well, you know, like –

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And then, my attorney’s saying “I know nothing. Uh, don’t

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I don’t know what that’s all about, brother. I – I don’t know.

Maybe – you know, who knows? You would think he’d know. Hopefully,

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it was a mistake and they forget to fucking give him something, like a –

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you know, a piece of paper. I don’t know how it works. Isn’t the D.A.

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supposed to give them something? Uh, because it wasn’t a mistake he

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showed up. Maybe it just – the whole thing is a mistake.

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No, they did it on purpose.

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Why?

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So, I would come without an attorney.

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Yeah, but, what good is that?

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You try to get someone to break without an attorney.

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Yeah, dude. You know what?

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They – “You’re being charged with this. We have a similar

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Cough up the whole ***.

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Ah, fuck me.

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I have never been out late. I’ve always been at home, at

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Yeah, you can’t – you know, you can’t prove it, though.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Anybody else can testify. ***, but, ***, you know, uh,

an attorney just doesn’t wanna do that.

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Why? ‘Cause the D.A. can cut you to ribbons. You know,

they can – you know what I mean? They can be ugly out there, uh,

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make you look real bad in front of the jury.

Well, they – they told my wife already “Oh, he’s – he’s

married to you and he’s on Match.com cheating on you.”

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Fuck that—***.

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My wife knows I already know.

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send you to—that’s not gonna send you to the big house. There’s a lot of

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guys fucking around on their wives. Right?

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Yeah.

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Okay. Uh, --

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That’s a good way to lose my wife right there.

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Well, you’re right. But, she’s a good – well, you say she’s a

good fucking woman. You got – you got two kids.

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That one’s hers though. Two others.

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Those two – oh, okay. Okay. Well, the fact is, dude, a good

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woman is gonna stick by you. A good woman is gonna come back ***. G

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-- Life with God.

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She’s religious?

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Yeah.

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Well, you know what? Uh, you know what, that’s even better.

‘Cause church ladies are kind of – are very, very, uh – you know, ‘cause

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they’re kinda follow the scriptures. They don’t wanna – they don’t wanna

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mess up. So, with any luck, if you got a good church-going lady, and, uh,

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Her mom’s told her that ***.

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Yeah?

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I can’t believe she didn’t hook up her phone, though, man.

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I called there at 2:00 in the morning, and told her to hook it

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No. Listen, man. She didn’t – she probably didn’t

understand how important it is right now. Who knows, dude? You never

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know, you know. It could be any number of explanations for that. But,

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uh, anyway, my advice is just take it one at a time. Don’t worry about the

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fucking detectives right now, the – the Homicide detectives. You worry

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about what you’ve got and what you know is, uh, what we talked about.

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-- Uh, your options are what we just talked about. You came

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up with a story. I came up with a story. They’re both fucking good.

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They’re both fucking good. I like yours better, actually. That’s one

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person that, you know was seen there. So, – and there’s, also,

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something to be said, you know, uh, when – when – when, uh, a jury

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Especially when, you know, you got – meth everywhere.

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Even if there’s no drugs in my system?

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Yeah, but, it doesn’t matter. The fact is you’ve got to steal for

it. Right? I mean, you could think of a million more reasons why you

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have to steal. Maybe your old lady left. Maybe, uh, -- and they’re not

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gonna get her up there. Uh, maybe, uh, you know, uh – you know,

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maybe you’re in debt, maybe you’re a gambler. You know, gambling is a

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big issue, man. What if you got fucking a gambling problem and you

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owe, uh, somebody big-time money? Hey, maybe – you know what?

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Maybe you lost a load. Maybe you – you’re dealing dope. You lost a – a

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key or something or a pound, right. Man, fuck, you don’t use it. Right?

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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And then, -- then, what happens is – that--that you know, you

get desperate, right?

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So, what do you do? You fucking, uh, do something that you

would not normally do. And, as luck would have it, you had bad luck.

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Man, that just broke my heart. I should have *** you know.

That part where we had good business, but he’s like “How come you

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haven’t been working for two weeks? You blew me off?”

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Mmnh.

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He took off too – he took off a month.

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Mmnh-mmnh.

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And I took off two weeks and went away. And then, I came

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back and took off another two weeks.

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Mmnh.

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And so, ***. And he – he – he ***. Like “Man, uh, how come 95


you’re not doing anything *** house?” I said

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“Because I was going to do another job for my brother.” And it – and, uh,

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he’s like “You’re a liar. You were not sick. You keep lying. You’re lazy.

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You do nothing for the business.” I’m the one that found sells all the

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jobs, owned the truck, bought all the equipment to – with him, taught him

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how to sell, and pull them out of a hole, even though he had no clientele.

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I said “I’m gonna teach you how to sell this way. And this is how we’re

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gonna make a lot more money.”

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So, you’re the brains *** ?

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you know what? I told him “Don’t you dare talk to me that way. I’m not

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the owner, I am not their employee. If I get – uh, I said “We need to sit

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down and talk. The way you run the business is wrong. You try to

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control it. You bring – you bring all the invoices and keep them at your

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house instead of calling the customers. Nothing goes to our contractors.

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Like fuck the contract. I don’t need to listen to the contractor, ‘cause we

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have a partnership agreement.” He’s like “You go your way. I go my

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way. I’ll take the tools out of the truck tonight.” And I said “I’ll sue you,

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because of the.” And he’s like “You wanna sue me?” So, he hadn’t been

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at his house.

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Yeah.

And he turned the wheel against the thing, ‘cause he thought

he was gonna go to work with all the tools. And I just had a locksmith

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come make a new key and took off. And he called the next day and says

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“Okay. You got your tools – or you got your truck. And you, also, took

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my tools that we worked together.” He was contradicting himself.

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Hey, there’s a fucking great i--You know what? Didn’t we talk

about owing people money, hey, you’re – you’re – you’re a gainfully96


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employed guy, right? You’re –

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The business is over, no money coming in.

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Yeah, you got – well, not just that. Well, -- well, maybe you

fucking owe your partner money. That’s the only way it’s gonna happen.

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You need to fucking, uh, -- you know what I mean? Think about that. It’s

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I know. I mean, I own the truck.

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Yeah.

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Some girl invested in it. And I’ve not been able to pay her

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Okay. So, you’re trying to pay her back. What do you think

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It’s the facts, dude. It’s fucked up.

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It is fucked up. And, dude, it’s – I mean, it’s better than

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fucking, uh, – uh, you know, you breaking into somebody’s fucking house

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and going fucking, uh, – uh, you know, Richard Ramirez on them. That’s

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fucked up.

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This guy disappeared, huh?

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Oh, this dude?

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What’d they say they were taking him out for?

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Fingerprints.

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Maybe he’s just got fucked up fingerprints. A lot of

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construction types too. I don’t know about you – I don’t know. And –

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and, again, we’re talking bigger problems. That is fucking ***.

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I cannot believe my wife didn’t open the phone.

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I’ll be she has a good explanation. She has a

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good explanation for it. Keep trying. I have faith in you, man. You’re a

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fucking ***. You’re gonna come up on this one.

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My daughter’s fucking mom, man, has been the biggest

nightmare of my life. D

How old is your daughter?

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She’s two and-a-half, dude.

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Oh, fuck.

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July 6th, my son turns five.

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Good kid?

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He’s great.

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God damn.

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I can’t even pay the child support for the two.

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Isn’t that a reason for fucking needing money?

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I *** for the fucking two. Shit, she’s just for the money and

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not the kid. And, always threatening to take the kid away. Anything but

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lie, say “Oh, you – you’re violent.” D

What?

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Yeah, so, she—so she could take the kid away.

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Well, they all say that, man.

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Saying that I said I was gonna shoot her parents and –

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before *** –

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*** trying – she’s been trying to ruin my life.

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Yeah. Well, let me tell you something. I don’t think pushing

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my old lady is fucking violent. You know what I mean?

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Man, I am so fucking dizzy and feel like collapsing.

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I haven’t slept.

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Oh, that’s probably – you’re probably exhausted.

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Hey, I was – I was told not to say a word.

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*** call my attorney.

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I mean, not knowing what the fuck – what they have on your ass. You

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don’t have any idea of what the fuck they want, eh?

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*** a homicide probably somewhere around where I used to

live, or who knows?

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It’s about what?

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Probably a – a homicide around where I used to live. Or I

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I used to live in El Monte. But –

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Oh. Oh. Oh, Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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That’s fucking weird you ended up back here.

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Yeah.

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Me, I’m a west side boy, man.

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How much money is this gonna cost for the attorney?

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I don’t know. Yeah, but, see, man, uh, again, I don’t know,

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man. It’s gonna probably cost you a pretty penny. But, on the other 99


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hand, uh, you think of it’s – you think uh,

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he’s, uh, it’s great, uh, stories. It’s that reasonable doubt, that the jury

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has to consider. You’re doing the – you’re doing heavy lifting for the

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attorney, ‘cause that’s what he gets paid to do. Right? G

Yep.

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You got to admit, most people in jail don’t have much of an

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imagination, do they? G

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I don’t think so.

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Nope.

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Nope? Now, attorneys have good imaginations.

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But, you’re different. And I’m different.

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Attorneys’ imagination is to live in a big house and having all

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And I don’t give a fuck if you go to jail. But, *** acquittals and

shit, and that’s – that’s where you make the big money.

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People – if more people say “Hey, fuck that mother ***.”

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this, this, this and this. Yeah, he was in there. He’s not trying to deny it.

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He went there and he did this, this and this. Convict him if – of the – of,

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you know, uh, breaking and entering into a house. But, don’t convict him

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with fucking attempted murder.”

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Man, I have had no sense of *** hurting anyone. 100

Michael Gargiulo: Part 1 Transcript of "Perkins Operation"

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