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osted by Girish Patil | 9:59 PM 13 comments Reservation is required by the politicians to get

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scores of votes. India needed reservation only after

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independence to brings all the castes in the

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ainstream. But a reservation for higher study was

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never needed. If a person from backward class can

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then why one needs to be reserved after that. There

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Reservation is needed or not in INDIA

Girish you wrote very well, i agree with you perfectly. For the upliftment of

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in the higher education and other similar fronts fron ts in India.

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downtrodden, reservation can be there but no way reservation is justified

ell before we slam the politicians politicians and all let’s look in to the past and

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observe why was the reservations reservations done in the first place and its present

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impact.

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In the past(before independence) its true that the higher classes enjoyed more benefits benefits - I mean what all the titles like li ke Rai Bahadur, Bahadur, and and etc were mean tot create a social unrest which was utilised to its best by the

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British.

Reservation is needed or not in INDIA

It seems that to reverse things a bit and also appease the SC/ST s

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reservations were made. Moreover the census of 1932 too showed that he SC/ST s and OBCs were larger in numbers. So it can be said that for general appeasement of masses it was also a political step by the Country makers at that time. Moreover with the proximity to USSR at that ime the word "equality" may have sounded different at that time. Reservations were made not only in castes but also between states at

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lets keep J & K out of this since it had its own problems to deal with. If we look into most of the Government PSUs made after independence e would observe that they intentionally kept Maharashtra and West

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Bengal out of it purview since they were the most developed states during

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in and around independence. Former being the seat of the commercial

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Rather New Delhi being the capital of India only for 96 years whereas

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capital and the later being the seat of the country's capital in the past. Calcutta was the capital from 1772 to 1911 - 139 years. Now initially there was a time frame for implementing the "social upliftment" - the term coined by all those pro-reservation politicians (may be that includes everyone except Sidhu pajji) now. After that time frame got over it was found that they still lag behind so it was increased and more time was given but it reached its peak with the "Mandal commission". Now after 60 years of independence if "social upliftment" has not been achieved then it clearly indicates the process thus chosen was wrong. Reservation always meant to deny the deserving from the pie and give it o some who doesn't deserve it. Frankly this whole drama is appeasing he masses but there is a flip side of it. It's this that General Category

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class is still ahead. It meant that due to competitions for fewer seats the

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generals are getting better day by day. And they are still ahead despite of

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all the reservations against merit. ho is actually benefiting, are the labour class of SC/ST s benefiting? NO!!! The service class is biggest and perhaps the only benefactor. The

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people whom we meet everybody in our offices, schools, parks,

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restaurants belonging to this class are "THE" biggest benefactor.

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a lower economic status for one-time for either govt. jobs or govt. educational institution. Once availed it cannot be used for the next 3 generations and that too after calculating the economic status. This would ensure that it comes to an end one day. There is another point I would like to make is why did politicians suddenly armed up for reservations in premier institutions and private firms. Well, during Mandal commission, our present PM Dr. Manmohan Singh did introduce something called "Liberalisation". Credit to him for having such a long-sighted concept, slowly it became apparent in the late nineties

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early millennium that there aren't sufficient jobs in the government sector

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and most of them were going after private firms - that meant that

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reservation in government sector is not that valuable any more. So this is

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he only way out. But kudos to Private firms and IIMs, IITs and not forget he medical fraternity who has the biggest influence in the social setup ho stood up against this "social menace". But above all the Supreme Court who proved time and again that it would not be the part of cheap politics.

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3. It is not needed in the present form. Constitution makers provided reservations for 25 years. Now this has become an unending process due o vote bank politics. In the meantime those who got jobs from the reserved category in the 50s and 60s have their wards well settled and relocated to USA etc. Reservations to the next generation cannot be ustified. But there are prominent politicos who want reservations for the next 2000 years - their logic - for the last 2000 years a section of society has been backward. this is staple diet for China to do well. there are thick headed - and no headed persons in society who cant see beyond winning he next election. 50 years is not enough for a social or a academically not exposed backward communities in India to come up and to compete with the housands of years academically sound communitie(s) which denied the education and kept the education only to them.So why still many most backward classes in India has only the First generation learners compared o the forward community's ratio.It is not the question of vote bank for politicians and they are really in very Right Track in this issue of reservation . I agree with Sachin and Shampa that this is a mere political proposition and a politician's bread and butter as he can not exist without it - If it is Congress and so called Secular Parties who believe their existence in 'For Quota' stance, its BJP and so called Communal parties who believe their existence in 'Against Quota' stance. But it is just that; I mean non of them do not actually want this Quota System to go. It is a all weather political product that benefits both hues of Indian Politics. If it is Caste System which is still in existence, hats off to bastard politicians. There is no need to give job on the basis of caste. Let the Government come out with a Quota system purely based of economic condition of person. As Sachin rightly said - Today a wall has emerged among the ST/SC population - Service Class and Labour Class; The ormer is continuously benefiting, rather unnecessarily and labour class remains where it was 50 years back. So there should be a countrywide stir to force these politicians to rectify their mistake which breeds so many hatre among sections. 13 comments

1. Anonymous November 9, 2013 at 9:48 AM I just wanna say dat as our constitutional framers hav framed this reservation so we need not need 2 throw this ,.. But 2 best utilise this by throwing out the creamy later of sc/st i.e m.p , mla's a nd a mechanism should be set up to check that d really poor or deserving people enjoy this ri8 2. CA ANKIT Goel March 3, 2014 at 4:20 AM I m agreed with the views of anonymous and reservation should nt be throw but must be use the reservation system only for deserving people. Deserving people does not mean by caste but it should be as per requirement. Eg. If there are 50 seats for general n 30 seats for sc/st But there r http://groupdiscussion99.blogspot.in/2009/07/reservation-is-needed-or-not-in-india.html

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only 40 general persons n 40 sc/st members then why 10 seats of general are vacant with 10 sc/st unemployed. So reservation should be there but it must be use for development of India but not only for any cast. 3. KONAKANCHI VINOD KUMAR May 1, 2015 at 8:55 PM Better remove this reservation. No one is using it except the politicians. They are increasing the reservation for years and years for their votes.due to this reservation in educations,government jobs many of the talented persons are not success ding in their life.from my childhood onwards i was hearing that India was developing country. I don't know when will India be a developed country 4. Dhanji Parmar August 5, 2015 at 11:47 AM Agreed now no meaning to keep continue reservation system 5. SHRINIVAS HULSURE September 6, 2015 at 6:00 AM All the assembly seat sh ould be reserved as per census 2011 to have their right representatives OBC 50 percent, SC /ST 25 percent, Muslim 20 percent as per their population. 6. Unknown September 27, 2015 at 9:35 AM I agree to the points and i too think that the reservation system should be eliminated on the basis of caste.. and chances should not be taken from those who r really talented and help to develop the economic growth of the country 7. Lalit Sharma September 27, 2015 at 9:36 AM I agree to the points and i too think that the reservation system should be eliminated on the basis of caste.. and chances should not be taken from those who r really talented and help to develop the economic growth of the country 8. Lalit Sharma September 27, 2015 at 9:36 AM I agree to the points and i too think that the reservation system should be eliminated on the basis of caste.. and chances should not be taken from those who r really talented and help to develop the economic growth of the country 9. Kiran Waghmare December 10, 2015 at 9:53 AM Before just jumping to the conclusion that remove caste based reservations.. First let us understand the basic framework of reservations. 1. Percentage of Reservations to a particular caste is decided as per the population of that caste in the society. For example: if SC forms 13% of total population their reservations should not go beyond 13% of total seats. So there is no where a question that SCs are taking away open categories share. Rather they are competing among themselves for that 13% seats. Similarly in case of ST,NT & OBCs. So this is wrong conception or rather mischievous conception spread among the general category candidates that reservations are taking our share and giving it some one else. 2. It is completely wrong that it is not helping reserved category people. A class of society who must be the first or second generation of those family getting right to education, today they are becoming engineers & doctors and are working shoulder to shoulder with a mainstream society who had this 100% reservations or complete right in education system for more than 700 years. This transformation is possible only because of reservations. 3. When you talk about removing caste based reservations because you think that there is no caste based discrimination in society ..then you either are not aware of caste based atrocities against Dalits and other oppressed class. There are still many cases coming in light everyday ..still there is discrimination on grounds of caste. Not only in villages but urban areas too. Not only in government offices but in private sector too, in educational institutions as well. Many cas es g oes unreported. 10. MOHAN SINGH April 23, 2016 at 1:49 PM Totaly conclusion is that present reservation system is not beneficial. But it is also still poverty exists a lots in india s o they also http://groupdiscussion99.blogspot.in/2009/07/reservation-is-needed-or-not-in-india.html

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require a hand from govt so to grow up them and make them equal like a uppertrodden people they need smthng like reservation so I would like bygot those people who s aid that reservation should be ended. Reservation should be but on a different base from present (caste or place-j&k) there should be on the base of economical condition otherwis e it must be called a legal corruption. 11. Anonymous May 6, 2016 at 9:04 AM Reservatioms are needed in our country to ensure representation from all communities which is needed for plural society. Most people in backward castes do not get quality school education and/or coaching. That is why they lag behind in competition. Some of them do get quality schools/coachings and they also give good results. But, if we bring eequality in school education, then we will get high quality students from all communities and it can serve as a base to remove all caste discriminations and make India caste free. 12. The real Indian September 13, 2016 at 5:08 AM I ag ree with reserrations system But because of this system minor talented person become government officers who don't have enough knowledge.the work can be done in one day they do in month. I am from category but I never think who is higher who is lower. We all are Indian But in education and government job government should help them with fina ncial support not in merit marks. Give them good atmosphere for studies by making government hostel and government collage. For both open and reserved quota person I give you example of disadvantage of government job When w e go to take income certificate from mamlatdar in talukas they take 3 days time to give us. really this work is only few hours No one from open category person goes to take they all are from reserved quota person who don't have enough time to spend and money Really who needy from reservation quotas they don't get chance. A person who are on high post by reservation they arrange their own relative and the other st/sc/obc category person did not get chance 13. suchya patil September 25, 2016 at 7:06 AM I personally think that there should not be any reservation for anybody and any caste.Merit should be the first criteria for education and job. There are poor people in all castes.so caste based reservation is injustice with poor people from general category.instead govrnment can do some extra favour or give extra concession for economically backward people in all castes. Because of this reservation talent from India is going abroad coz they are not getting their rights due to reservation and the people who don't deserve occupy the higher posts and possion in all the fields. one day there might be 100% reservation and no way for general category students except leaving the country to fulfill their dreams.Definitely they will get everything they deserve but not in their own country. Post a Comment

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