[MARCH 14, 2018] COMMUNICATIONS FROM/TO PETER STONE ON WEDNESDAY MARCH 14, 2018 READ FROM BOTTOM. THIS IS THE FIRST KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAD BEEN INCLUDED IN THE ADAM SCHIFF REPORT To: Peter Stone From: Cleta Mitchell Wed 3/14/2018 1:47 PM Re: background today as early as possible with McClatchy Well, that’s that’s at least something- that they didn’t leak it. But if talking to me is something they think is even of interest, interest, it just underscores that they are grasping at straws. straws. They have nothing. There is nothing. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2018, at 1:37 PM, Peter Stone wrote: Thanks. FYI, the Democrats didn’t leak this document to me and other reporters, but publicly released a report Tues (which I thought you might have heard of) on various outstanding questions and areas they wanted to pursue as part of their probe into Russian meddling in the elections. On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 1:07 PM, CMitchell wrote: No. I have no knowledge of anything a nything like this and zero concerns whatsoever about anyone Russians or otherwise — who “funneled” funds to / through NRA. Anyone who says otherwise otherwise is lying. NRA is meticulous meticulous about following all the rules. rules. This is all a complete fabrication. And it is absolutely outrageous that the Democrats are leaking documents to you and other reporters. If they want to talk to me, they are wasting everyone’s everyone’s time and money but I would be happy to talk to them in order to tell them how offensive and horrible I think they are. You are welcome to quote me that this is all totally ridiculous. You guys are all outrageous. Wish all of you would get over your fantasies, get a life and do something productive and useful. This certainly isn’t. On Mar 14, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Peter Stone; wrote: Cleta--We’re working on a follow up story to our earlier reporting re the FBI probe into Russian banker and life time NRA member Alexander Alexa nder Torshin and whether he may have funneled funds improperly through the NRA or an allied conduit to influence the elections and help Trump win. I’ve seen your name on a short list of people that the minority on House Intel wants to talk with;who might shed light on the NRA’s NRA’s relationship with Alexander Torshin; I also have heard from a source I trust that you have expressed concerns to some investigators or people familiar
with the probes about the NRA’s links to Russia and whether Russian funds could have flowed improperly through the NRA or allied conduits (such as LLCs or c4s) to influence the elections. Is this basically correct, or can you explain whether you have any concerns about the propriety of Torshin’s dealings with the NRA, and if he or other Russians might have sent funds via the NRA or conduits that may be illegal? I’d like as much on the record as possible but if you need to comment some on background that’s okay. We are trying to do a short piece today so hope you can reply in the next few hours. If you’d prefer to go over this on the phone and clarify some points on background or off the record that’s possible. Thanks, Peter On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Peter Stone wrote: fyi-From: CMitchell Date: Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM Subject: Re: background today as early as possible with McClatchy To: Peter Stone I’m traveling in Florida and can’t really talk today. today. If you want to send me what you’re talking about, that references me, I’m happy to review and get back to you next couple of days. I actually have no idea what you are talking about so pls send whatever you wish me to discuss. Thx Cleta Mitchell, Esq. On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:44 AM, Peter Stone wrote: Hi Cleta--I’m working on a short piece today that deals with the Congressional probes into Russian meddling in the 2016 elections and saw your name on the House Intel document that was released yesterday and have heard other details from sources about your concerns. Can you talk briefly on background today pre or post lunch? thanks Peter. [MARCH 16, 2018]
Sent: Fri 3/16/2018 9:29 AM From: Cleta Mitchell To: Peter Stone Subject: NRA lawyer expressed concerns about groups Russia ties, investigators told |
McClatchy Washington Bureau http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article205412394.html Peter. Either you get this headline changed or don’t ever ever ever call me again. This is a COMPLETE lie and don’t tell me the old “I don’t write the headlines”. You go tell your editor that this is a lie and you obviously didn’t write your lead paragraph correctly. This is FAKE NEWS and you need to fix it. You better do that. Such lies. Such liars. All of you. It is disgraceful. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. Sent from my iPhone Sent: Fri 3/16/2018 9:35 AM From: Cleta Mitchell To: Peter Stone Subject: NRA lawyer expressed concerns about group’s Russia ties, investigators told | McClatchy Washington Bureau http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article205412394.html I am re-reading the lead paragraph and you COMPLETELY lied in that paragraph. You took some unnamed source, you put their false statement as the lead and you put my truthful on the record statement down in the story as some sort of denial. You are reprehensible. Your tactics are disgusting. Who is your editor? I want this corrected. NOW!!! Cleta Mitchell, Esq. On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Peter Stone wrote: Cleta--Just letting you know that we discussed your concerns and are changing the headline at the top of the home page, tweaking the first sentence, and moving up your denial from the 4th graf to to the 3rd. Peter On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Peter Stone wrote: Cleta--We’re discussing your concerns now with our editor and will get back to you shortly. Cleta--We’re shortly. Peter
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Peter Stone wrote: fyi Sent from my iPhone From: CMitchell Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:05 AM Subject: NRA lawyer expressed concerns about group’s Russia ties, investigators told | McClatchy Washington Bureau To: Peter Stone Why not the first paragraph? Why not say that I told you there is nothing to this and the House Dems are full of crap to even list me? And how about that I haven’t been involved with NRA since 2011? This is not a story. story. The only story is the false narrative from the House Dems that you are perpetuating. What’s the new headline? I’m not “denying”. I’m telling you there is no there here. Period. It is a completely false narrative. That better be the upshot of this revised story story.. That I never ever expressed any concerns whatsoever because I never had any. Ever. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Peter Stone wrote: Cleta--Just letting you know that we discussed your concerns and are changing the headline at the top of the home page, tweaking the first sentence, and moving up your denial from the 4th graf to to the 3rd. Peter From: Cleta Mitchell TO: ggordon Subject: Correction Demanded Sent: Fri 3/16/2018 9:40 AM I do not know you. I told Peter Stone that this entire reference to Russia and the NRA is a lie and I have ZERO knowledge about it and ZERO concerns about it. I told him it was preposterous. Then you run a story saying the OPPOSITE? You better fix this story. This is an outright lie. Total fake news. Who is your editor? I’ve NEVER said or even had a thought like this — I’ve always said the NRA is meticulous about its money and using correct dollars do llars for its expenditures. exp enditures. And anyone who says anything to the contrary is lying. I told Peter Stone that.
Yet you run a story with unnamed sources saying otherwise and attribute some concerns to me? I can’t believe this. I want this corrected. Immediately. Take that headline and that paragraph out. I went on the record. Your “sources” did not. Where are your journalistic scruples? Where? Where? This is outrageous beyond words. Fix it. Now. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Gordon, Greg wrote: Hi Cleta, I did get your message, but Peter is taking the lead on this. I do believe that I phoned you a few decades ago (I’ve been reporting in Washington for 40 years). I’d love to know how your name has surfaced in connection with the NRA multiple times in these inquiries, and yet you say that you have had no connections to the group since 2011. There’s a disconnect somewhere, and I’m happy to hear any explanation you may have. Are you saying that you’ve never done outside legal work for the NRA in the last few years? Did you represent Paul Erickson or his LLC? Other NRA allies? We don’t make this stuff up, and I trust that you know that. Best, Greg Gordon National Correspondent McClatchy Newspapers Washington Bureau From: Cleta Mitchell TO: ggordon Subject: Correction Demanded Sent: Fri 3/16/2018 2:59 PM You made this one up. I know that. You published a 100% false story. That’s what I know. I have had zero involvement with the NRA since my board term expired in 2012. The reason my name surfaces with regard to the NRA is that every time there’s a school shooting, and the media feeding frenzy that always follows, reporters I know call and ask me things. I usually am willing willing to talk to them on the record just providing some context as to the organization. This particular rumor is completely false. I’ve never thought for one second second that the NRA took Russian money in 2016 or any other time. If someone told me that, I would require proof as I do
not believe that. It would be completely out of character and one thing the NRA is is is consistent. I have not done legal work for the NRA in more than a decade. I’ve never represented Paul Erickson. He was retained by a client of mine a number of years ago - probably 10 or 11 years ago — to do some work for the organization but that was short lived. As for representing NRA allies, I would say 99% of my clients are NRA allies who believe in the 2d Amendment. So you guys have been fed a totally false story and notwithstanding that I told Peter that in no uncertain terms on Wednesday, you nevertheless ran with the unnamed sources who lied to you and your story said the opposite of the truth. truth. The exact opposite. Not too impressive. Fake news. Totally false. Very bad work. Worst I’ve seen in years. Maybe ever since there’s not even a kernel of truth in the assertion. Makes me even more aware of what a lying bunch the Adam Schiff and his staff are, to perpetuate something like this. Totally irresponsible. All of o f you. yo u. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Gordon, Greg wrote: Thanks for your reply. We will explore further. Of course, it’s possible that the congressional Democrats on the intel committees manufactured this stuff, but that has not been their record over the last 15 months, at least from my experience. We pride ourselves on getting our stories right, and we use anonymous sources with great caution. That is why Peter went over this with his sources for days. And of course, your name was on the House list. Do you have any idea why that might have occurred? Could you have expressed something in an email or in a phone call? You have stated that you have done no legal work for the NRA in a decade. Have you done consulting, advisory or any other kind of work for the organization, and if so, during what time span? Have you been involved in meeting or hosting members of Right to Bear arms, the Russian gun rights group? I don’t know you, either, Cleta, but I can assure you that we had no agenda in reporting this story and are merely searching for the truth. Thanks, Greg From: Cleta Mitchell TO: ggordon Subject: Correction Demanded Sent: Fri 3/16/2018 3:49 PM
Well, Greg - your search for the truth didn’t come close to finding it. Not even close. The answers to ALL your questions below: no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. All no. And I have never ever ever said or even thought of any Russia NRA connection. First I ever heard about that was when reporters started calling me, asking me I knew anything about it. And I started laughing. It is preposterous. Your source is a lying sack of you know what. But here’s the REALLY laughable statement: “Of course, it’s possible that the congressional Democrats on the intel committees manufactured this stuff, but that has not been their record over the last 15 months, at least from my experience.” That is a bizarre statement. statement. As I said earlier, earlier, to you and to Peter, Peter, I now see first first hand the sick relationship between the media and Adam Schiff. Schiff. You guys believe everything they say because you WANT WANT to. For liberals, believing is seeing. Facts and truth do not matter. matter. To the media or to Adam Schiff Schiff et al. Lies upon lies upon lies. I don’t care how many times times you ask me. me. I don’t care how you frame frame the questions. I have not had any relationship with the NRA in six years. years. I had zero contact with NRA in 2016. Or for almost the five years before that. And anyone who says otherwise is LYING. And you took the unnamed source, wrote a false lead paragraph which lead to a 100% false headline. And buried the truth down in the story. Very impressive. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2018, at 3:57 PM, Gordon, Greg wrote: Okay. We We are taking your responses seriously. seriously. And please don’t brand me a liberal who takes everything that Democrats throw my way at face value. I wrote plenty of stories about Hillary’s emails, the Clinton Foundation and other stories that Democrats hated. A close relative of mine belongs to the NRA (or did; d id; not sure if his membership is current). So S o it seems clear that you’re willing to make false assumptions about me at the same time you’re accusing me and my colleagues of disregard for the truth. Why didn’t you bring up your disassociation with the NRA when Peter contacted you yesterday? Wasn’t that a rather important fact? I am not seeking to raise the temperature here, Cleta. You don’t need any help in that endeavor. But I am trying to get to the bottom of this. Greg From: Cleta Mitchell
TO: ggordon Subject: Correction Demanded Sent: Fri 3/16/2018 4:29 PM I wonder why I assume that the working press is is liberal. Wonder why I think that. If the shoe does not fit, then I apologize. I just have been watching the Schiff Schiff show for more than than a year and I haven’t see[n] much objectivity in the coverage of his antics. Not much objectivity at all. He’s held up as some sort of icon, and Devin Nune[s] is ridiculed. I happen to see things very differently than your media entity has reported this entire story story.. I find it very disturbing that you guys have joined forces with Schiff Schiff against Nune[s]. And I think that perhaps that willingness to believe the Schiff team is why your story today got it so wrong. The pattern of the reporting is bent toward believing these fake stories that support Schiff’s S chiff’s view of the world. I told Peter that there was not a shred of truth to the story. story. I could not have been more emphatic. I do not lie to journalists. journalists. I would not have said it was false if if it wasn’t. wasn’t. I would have tried tried to explain it. I did not do that. I said it is not true. Getting to the bottom of this means asking what else the HSCI Dems have told you or written or said to you that is also also false. Getting to the bottom of this is asking whether you’ve been fair and objective to Devin Nune[s] and his staff — or whether perhaps you’ve taken everything he says with a bucket of salt while accepting as true whatever the Schiff forces say. This story is totally false so I have every reason to believe that much of the rest of what they have said and written written is false. Totally unreliable. unreliable. Peter knows I don’t have any NRA association any longer. I’ve told him that before. He’s called me over a number of years about NRA. I have told him as I tell every reporter that I am no longer on the board and haven’t been for several years. I’m willing to go on the record with reporters to defend the organization - of which I am a lifetime member - and to explain how it works, because the organization is always lied about and attacked every time there’s a school shooting. I may rethink doing that after this experience. Someone has fabricated this story and pushed it to the Committee and an d to reporters. And you guys fell for it and disregarded what wha t I said. I have had the same response to everyone who has approached me about this rumor, which is that it is a crock. I couldn’t have been more emphatic. Other reporters reporters accepted the truth. And dropped it. But told me someone was peddling it it to them. But they realized realized it could not be and was not true. Somehow, that wasn’t good enough for McClatchey and for some unknown reason, you ran a story citing an unnamed source who apparently knows more about me than I do. That’s what’s so mystifying. But if you want to really get to the bottom of this, you should get out all your stories about the
HSCI investigation, you should go sit down with Nune[s] and his staff and you should ask them to go through the stories and point out any falsehoods in the the stories. Think about that. I’m betting it would be instructive for everyone. I’m also betting they have given up trying to get a fair shake. Maybe I’m wrong. But an after action review might be in order here. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Gordon, Greg wrote: but our sources say the committees still have questions about a bout reports that you were concerned over the NRA and Russia. From: Cleta Mitchell TO: ggordon Subject: Correction Demanded Sent: Fri 3/16/2018 5:42 PM “...but our sources say the committees still have questions about reports that you were concerned over the NRA and Russia.” I have NEVER had a millisecond of concern about the NRA and Russia. Your “sources” are liars. And the Committees’ staff — the Dems — are also relying on these same liars if the Committees “still have questions”. I can answer their questions in four words. It. Is. Not. True. Your “credible” attorney source is an idiot and needs to get his/her facts straight. I haven’t represented the NRA as an attorney in at least a decade. So that’s even more of a lie. I can’t even remember the last time I performed legal services for the NRA. It was well before I left the board. Years earlier ea rlier.. This discussion just makes it worse. The entire Russia collusion narrative is a Potemkin Village, perpetrated by the Democrats to undermine the Trump election, and promoted by the liberal media who share the Democrats’ antipathy toward Trump and toward those of us who voted for and still support him. What Hillary said last week in India just reflects the general thinking of the left, which is the reason why the country has been subjected to the whole fake Russia collusion story, and why these “sources” and Democrats on the Committees just can’t let it go. They cannot and will not admit it is all a hoax. A hoax THEY perpetrated. Did the Russians try to influence the election? Yes. And what they REALLY have done is push the left’s buttons since the election through supporting and pushing the anti-Trump resistance
movement. Just as the former Soviet Union funded the nuclear freeze movement in the US in the 1970’s and 80’s. But there was no Trump collusion in the election. And what the Russians attempted didn’t affect the outcome one iota. That’s what Schiff & Co. can’t accept. That’s why they desperately throw a bunch of names into a report. Like mine. You should investigate what wha t other o ther false stories are in Schiff’s report. Mine can’t be the only one. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2018, at 6:08 PM, Gordon, Greg wrote: We’ve tweaked the story, Cleta. You assuredly won’t like it, but we are trying to describe your relationship correctly correctly.. Again, I very much appreciate the dialogue. I once had dinner with friends of ours and the NRA treasurer was among the group. It’s important for the media to hear from the NRA, which usually doesn’t talk to us much, and its supporters. Greg From: Cleta Mitchell TO: ggordon Subject: Correction Demanded Sent: Fri 3/16/2018 8:14 PM That is exactly why I’ve always been willing to speak with reporters on the record about the NRA. Since I left the board, I’m free to do that. But after this experience with McClatchey, I’m likely to stop that practice. This whole episode, totally fabricated, has given me reason reason to believe I’ve been too open and too helpful. So I doubt I will ever speak again to a reporter about ab out the NRA. This has taught me a valuable lesson lesson about the media and I’m having to re-think my practice of generally being willing to speak with any reporter about a bout any topic. I think the world has changed and it is no longer a good idea for conservatives to just speak openly with journalists. The lines have been drawn and I am only now realizing that. The fact that, notwithstanding everything I’ve told Peter and you over the past 48 hours, that you don’t just retract the entire story as baseless and apologize for the earlier versions, and that you guys are still trying to salvage lies from anonymous sources, tells me that I can no longer trust that honesty will prevail. I literally have never experienced anything like this. A story without without an ounce of truth truth being disseminated as factual is shocking. Shocking. No more conversations with journalists about the NRA. Ever. And I’m going to be very much more guarded about all dealings with reporters reporters on everything from this point forward. Seems as
though I have no choice. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. [MARCH 17, 2018]
To: Greg Gordon, Peter Stone From: Cleta Mitchell Sent: Sat 3/17/2018 9:23 AM Subject: FW: Google Alert - “Cleta Mitchell” See what your lies caused? Now Now,, the media herd repeats as true something that NEVER EVER happened. This is why people hate the media. Here are some questions for your “source”: 1. Where did I supposedly express these concerns? 2. To whom? 3. Who all all was present? 4. What month? 5. Did your source hear it personally? 6. What were the circumstances? 7. Do I know this person? You get me some details and I promise I can demonstrate the lies you’ve been told and are spreading. This is 100% false. Yet, here it is repeated repeated everywhere. And you guys are not even the National Enquirer. Although it is impossible impossible to discern any difference. Some journalistic ethics. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Google Alerts Date: March 17, 2018 at 9:09:13 AM EDT To: cmitchell [MARCH 18, 2018]
Emails from/to G Gordon and Peter Stone, Sunday March 18, 2018 On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Greg Gordon wrote:
I’m afraid that I just got your later messages, Cleta. We initially described the timing and connection of your relationship with NRA inaccurately and corrected it. You did not mention your disassociation with the NRA to Peter on Thursday, and when we fully understood it, we fixed it and changed the headline. I don’t understand why you are sending me scathing messages about a story that ACCURATELY describes what congressional investigators are looking into. Your denials are prominently and amply included in the story. It was a House report that first lit up your name for the public. I am sorry that you feel aggrieved, Cleta, but as a longtime Washington attorney, you well know how this works. Now you are just shooting the messenger. Greg To: Ggordon, Peter Stone Subject: Correction Demanded On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:11 AM, CMitchell wrote: I only shoot messengers who lie. lie. McClatchey is lying lying about me and about the NRA. It is actionable. It needs to be FIXED. Peter never asked me about my current association with the NRA. In fact, he really only asked me about the report and I told told him it was a flat out lie. One would think he might have stopped stopped and asked more questions. questions. He didn’t. Because in my experience, Peter always has his story / narrative in mind before he ever talks to me. I’ve been dealing with him for years and his bias is so complete that he turns a deaf ear when I disagree with whatever his current narrative happens to be. I’ve had that experience with him for years. He only did what he always does. He checked the box of communicating with me so he could say he had done that and then proceeded to completely disregard that I told him it was not true. Shouldn’t he have started asking more questions at that point? Yes. But he did not. You did not. You guys didn’t even stop and say maybe something was amiss. He just went back and asked his same lying source if the story was true and went right ahead and that was the lead, that was and is the headline and that story is still there on your site. site. Still publishing a lie. Your story and headline are both still false. FALSE. FALSE. I NEVER expressed such concerns or thoughts because I never HAD such concerns or thoughts. I want to get on a call with you, Peter and your editor tomorrow. tomorrow. I want a complete retraction and apology. Because there is not one shred of truth to your story, story, as I’ve told you and Peter about a dozen times now. But it is still on your website despite what I’ve written exhaustively. You are listening to a lying unnamed source and you have not asked ANY of the questions I listed to you yesterday. yesterday. The questions that a good reporter would already ask and then come to me and ask those same questions. If you do not correct this story and headline by retracting and apologizing to me and to the NRA, I swear I’m going to sue you and go on a discrediting rampage against McClatchey, you and Peter by name.
I don’t know WHY you guys think there is anything credible about your story and your source. source. I now understand how it works with Schiff and McClatchey. McClatchey. It’s It’s a symbiotic relationship of spreading false stories. When can we do a call tomorrow? I’m serious. This needs to be corrected and all you’ve done so far is tweak the edges while continuing to cling to the false narrative. I NEVER had a single thought - expressed or unexpressed - about the NRA and Russian involvement. As I have told you multiple times, the first I heard of this was from some reporters asking me about it. I started started laughing. laughing. It is is completely completely implausible. implausible. Why can’t can’t you accept that you, your story are WRONG??? The other reporters asked me enough questions to realize the story they had been Fed was false. So they didn’t didn’t go further. further. Peter didn’t do that. He never does. But your name is on the story as well. well. I want to talk to you guys with your editor tomorrow. tomorrow. I’m entitled to to do that since since you have smeared me and you are still smearing me by refusing to remove the story. I want to know if you’re going to fix this properly. properly. And I want to speak to your editor. There are at least a dozen questions Peter and you should be asking your “source”. I have spoken to the other reporters who first first called me about this. That same source was peddling the story to them. But after I spoke to them, they realized it was false and did not pursue it further. further. I’m quite certain that same source got this into the Dems report. But you didn’t and still don’t just just cite to the false Dems report. You still are saying as fact that I had knowledge and concerns about Russian money funneled to NRA. That is a lie. A lie. It is not true. Not a shred of truth. Please arrange a call. Let me know who your editor is and the phone number. McClatchey needs to make this this right. Today. Cleta Mitchell, Esq. On Mar 18, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Gordon, Greg wrote: Hi Cleta, Our editor is out of pocket today, but will ring you first thing tomorrow morning. Greg To: Ggordon From: Cleta Mitchell Subject: Correction Demanded Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 1:30 pm Thank you. Call me at [omitted]. I think all of us need to be on the call. Because there are questions that need to be asked regarding this reporting. And I don’t want to go through a useless
exercise where he’s just defending your false story. I want to know the answers to the questions I posed yesterday regarding the underlying “facts” that caused you to decide that someone who will not let you use his/her name somehow knows more about what I know / said / did than I do. I want to know if you’ve even asked your source those questions Where did I supposedly express these “concerns”? When? Year? Month? What was the context? This is all a total lie and I want to know why you are so convinced that this this happened? What is so persuasive to you that you won’t even consider for a moment that it isn’t true? What makes this source so credible to you, other than a preconceived bias against the NRA and against me? There are serious questions that I deserve answers to and the opportunity to respond. Clearly, Clearly, telling you over and over that it is false is having no effect. Have you asked these these questions? And what are the the responses? I spoke to NO ONE during 2016 about the NRA and what it was or was not doing in the election. So how is it possible that your anonymous source tells you otherwise and that’s enough for you? Give me more “facts” that you’ve gotten from your anonymous source. Surely you have them. Surely. What are they?
