The Final Step to Freedom by Lester Levenson Levenson
Lester Speaking to Graduates in California, September 12,1969
Lester: Being purposeful, as I usually am, I told you about my busi ness involvement involvement to show you that you don't disappear disappear when you get your realizations. ou don't have to leave the world, and anything you do in the world !an be done far better,, with no real better real involvement. involvement. o ou don't have to fear losing anything you have, ou don't have to fear losing your body. The only thing you lose is your unfreedom. The only differen!e before and after is that before, you were !ompelled by your sub!ons!ious sub!ons!ious thoughts" thoughts" after, after, you're you're free. If you have a thought, you freely !hoose to put it into your mind. Before, you had to be unhappy about !ertain things, or the way things were going# after, you are never unhappy, be!ause everything goes the way it should go. I believe there's a sub!ons!ious fear in all of us that, if we go all the way, we go away. If we go all the way, we're not going to en$oy the things we're en$oying now. These fears are unfounded. %nything we have en$oyed before, we !an en$oy a thousand time more after. &e !an en$oy it a thousand times more be!ause we are free to go all the way on anything, being unlimited. There's no limit to $oy. There is nothing that we !annot have. There are no heights that we !annot rea!h, in happiness, in money, in health or in anything. Last time I threw out a !hallengeI presented to you how life !ould be if you would go all the way. I presented a way of life when we live by !reating things $ust by thought. &hen we do !reate things by $ust thought, everything falls into perfe!t harmony# nothing goes wrong# everything be!omes, immediately, the way we want it to be.
I presented this to you as a !hallenge, hoping you would ta(e it and do $ust that. %s a group we moved relatively high in a relatively short time. %nd then we leveled off# the rate of growth dropped off very mu!h and I thought it was really foolish to stop it. I $ust !an't under stand even now why you don't go all the way. &hy not ta(e things for the mere thought of it) &hy not have this perfe!t harmony when everything goes the way you want it to go) &hy not live with all $oy and no sorrow) &hy don't we ta(e this) I really would li(e to (now why we don't ta(e it. If I (now why you don't ta(e it, maybe I !an help you get it. Be!ause I feel sure everyone would li(e to live the way I spo(e of living, the way I was living ba!( in the early si*ties, and prior to +-. I'm sure everyone would li(e to live that way# you're in a !onstant state of $oy that's beyond anything you ever e*perien!ed before# when everything you thin( $ust happens. So, why don't we do this) I'm really as(ing" &hy don't you do it) /arry, you're almost !oming up with something, aren't you) Q: I missed the last meeting. Lester: &ell, I (inda summed it up. There was a time when I lived and anything I thought would !ome immediately. %nything. %nd everything. %nd I was telling how beautifully harmonious everything is# everything falls perfe!tly into line for you. Q: &ell I thin( I'll spea( for my own self, things pretty well !ome this way, for me. The only limit would be myself perhaps not (nowing (nowing where where to put the ne*t ne*t (not. Lester: ou !an have anything you want now) 0ust by the thought)
I presented this to you as a !hallenge, hoping you would ta(e it and do $ust that. %s a group we moved relatively high in a relatively short time. %nd then we leveled off# the rate of growth dropped off very mu!h and I thought it was really foolish to stop it. I $ust !an't under stand even now why you don't go all the way. &hy not ta(e things for the mere thought of it) &hy not have this perfe!t harmony when everything goes the way you want it to go) &hy not live with all $oy and no sorrow) &hy don't we ta(e this) I really would li(e to (now why we don't ta(e it. If I (now why you don't ta(e it, maybe I !an help you get it. Be!ause I feel sure everyone would li(e to live the way I spo(e of living, the way I was living ba!( in the early si*ties, and prior to +-. I'm sure everyone would li(e to live that way# you're in a !onstant state of $oy that's beyond anything you ever e*perien!ed before# when everything you thin( $ust happens. So, why don't we do this) I'm really as(ing" &hy don't you do it) /arry, you're almost !oming up with something, aren't you) Q: I missed the last meeting. Lester: &ell, I (inda summed it up. There was a time when I lived and anything I thought would !ome immediately. %nything. %nd everything. %nd I was telling how beautifully harmonious everything is# everything falls perfe!tly into line for you. Q: &ell I thin( I'll spea( for my own self, things pretty well !ome this way, for me. The only limit would be myself perhaps not (nowing (nowing where where to put the ne*t ne*t (not. Lester: ou !an have anything you want now) 0ust by the thought)
Q: &hat I mean is,things do !onne!t that way, yes. Lester: 1u!h better than they used to. But you have to wor( for a living, right) Q: It's getting pretty easy. Lester: But you have to wor( for a living. Q: 2.3. Lester: That's a limitation. 4" I was $ust reading in the Bhagavad 5ita the other day that even though you're realized, you never want to give up your a!tivity be!ause it deludes the ignorant. So where are you then)
Lester: I don't (now about what you're saying, but I say you're not free yet. ou have to wor( for a living" you have to do things, right) 2r !ould you stop everything and do nothing and have everything you want) 6ould you) Q: The trend is going that way 7uite fast. I don't (now when I !ould !ut the !ord and be that way. Lester: 2.3. 3eep up the trend# (eep up the trend. But the 7uestion I'm as(ing is" &hy don't we go to the point where we $ust thin( and have things happen) Q: &ell, we're living in ignoran!e, so to spea(. Lester: &e are not. &e (now the way, right) %t least intelle!tually we (now how to go all the way" we a!!ept that we are unlimited beings. Q: To !ome right down to it, in Truth, what is there to desire) In other words, you have your pea!e, you (now, what are we tal(ing about) Lester: I'm tal(ing about freedom,I'm using the word 8freedom8 9ow, be!ause I thin( it points up the 5oal better as
a word than any other word. The top 5oal is total Freedom, Liberation. Q: /ow do you go about it) 0ust by meditating) Lester: 9o. By seeing what we are. See, that the word 8meditation8 is a word that has meanings that I'm not sure means the same thing to everyone. But, by dis!overing what we are, we dis!over that we have all power, all (nowledge, that we are unlimited. :" /ow am I to dis!over what I am if I don't (now what I am) Lester: &ell, how) By turning all your attention on you, with the 7uestion 8&hat am I)8 and 7uieting the mind enough so that the real you is obvious. &hen your mind is 7uiet enough, your real Being is obvious to you, and when it is, you (now and you (now, you (now, and that's it. So, the way is to (eep that 7uestion going" &hat am I) %nd as disturbing thoughts !ome up to loo( at them and drop them, and if we (eep that going, we rea!h a point where they don't !ome up any more and then the mind is 7uiet" then we !an see what we are" then we !an undo the balan!e of the mind. Finally we !an wipe out the entire mind in one stro(e. Then we're totally free. :" That's what I've been doing. Lester: &hat stops you from going all the way) Q: I don't (now. 1aybe I'm trying too hard. I want it so very mu!h, but I don't (now what's stopping me. Lester: &hen you do it, do you get disturbed with your thoughts) :" 9o. Lester: &hat happens when you get 7uiet) Q: &hen I get 7uiet I get the s!ents of food and flowers and I get lost in that. &hat does it mean) Lester: It means you're !aught up in the sheath of happiness, whi!h is the last one you have to brea( through. See, the
!overings over the infinite Being that we are are first# the physi!al body, then the mind, then the last one is the happiness# we get into a state where we get too !ontent and we stop there, and we $ust really rest on our laurels and we en$oy the state that we're in, instead of going on further past that happiness state. Q: I still (eep as(ing and all these smells around me of flowers and food, and different un(nown s!ents. Lester: %ll right, when they !ome# the thing to do is to disregard them# loo( at them and let go of them and (eep loo(ing at what you are. /ave you seen yourself as all power, all (nowledge) See, then you have more to go. So the only thing I !an say is (eep doing it# try to brea( through that pleasant state and go higher. See, the top state is not en$oying# it's a very deep pea!e, a total well; beingness, a feeling of eternality. Q: I get suspended# I'm up here# I !an't go further# I don't want to !ome ba!(# I want to find out really what I am, and so there I am. Lester: &e should rea!h a state where the real 8I8 that we are ta(es over and ta(es us in all the way. But, I thin(, Lil, you might be afraid of disappearing. Q: 9o. Lester" 9o) Q: 9o, that never enters my mind. Lester: &hat do you thin( might help you go further) Q: I really don't (now. If I (new I would utilize it. Lester: See, the first in!entive lies in having diffi!ulties in life pain, mental and physi!al. But later on, the in!entive should be the goodness of it, that should be the in!entive to have us (eep going, going, going.
&ell, then the only thing I !an say, Lil, is (eep it up. Some day, when you get tired of en$oying, you'll drop the en$oying and go on further. Q: I (eep saying to myself, 8There's more than this.8 Lester: 5ood. There's not enough drive to drive you all the way. Q: I might have to do it and push me up there" I don't (now. %s I say, maybe I'm trying too hard. Lester: I don't thin( so. ou !an't try too hard. %lthough the further you go, the less effort is re7uired. ou rea!h a pla!e where you !an't use effort any more. The real ou ta(es over and $ust lifts you all the way to the top.
Lester: %nyone else have anything they !an add to why we don't go all the way, or what more do we need) &hat I'm saying is !an I be of any help to you) Q: If I !all on you, will you help me) Lester: 6an you answer that) /ave I helped you) Q: es, you have. Lester: &hen we started, some years ago, I told you I will never leave you so long as you want help. 9ow the real me sees you as the real you, and it's the real me that's helping you when I'm not here in physi!al body with you. %nd anytime you !all on that real me, you'll dis!over the real me is there. %nd what happens is you get a lift a bit higher so you !an get the answer yourself# you've got to get it. Q: In answer to your 7uestion, as for myself, %rt, well, all of us, we're involved in a family life whi!h is a limiting fa!tor. Lester: It's a diffi!ult thing# it's an obsta!le. Q: Spe!ially if you have growing !hildren. Lester: es. Business and family are obsta!les, but they !an be tran s!ended if the time you have not at business is used digging in to dis!overing you. %fter all, how long does it ta(e an infinite Being to (now that he is) /e !an do it in an instant. &hen man so wills, he's immediately set free= So If you ta(e the time you have not at busi ness and use it to dig to dis!over you, you !an get the full answer.
>spe!ially now that life is easier and things are !oming more your way by your doing, and $ust dare to 7uadruple what you're doing, mentally, without any more effort, though. Then you might have four times more time to dwell on the sub$e!t. Q: By dwelling on the sub$e!t are you referring always to this passive mediation or
Lester: 8&hat am I)8 I'm referring to 8&hat am I)8 I'm (eeping you at the ultimate 7uestion that has to be answered, and when answered fully, is the ultimate state of Freedom, whi!h is (nown by your feeling and by the way your life is. Life is the way you ma(e it. &hen you get there, you !an get all the money you want without wor(ing for it. :" 6ourse, that's rather misleading. Lester: It is) Q: eah, it's (inda li(e a sales presentation, a snow;$ob" 6ome on boy, you go my way and you thin( this way and you'll have all the money you want. But, a!tually, when you get into the program, with that pot of gold, it evaporates be!ause Lester: &ait a minute, it evaporates) Q: Be!ause it's not important any more. Li(e you say, if we truly feel that we get the real message that you're spea(ing of, then the things that we thought we were going to gain material wealth when we !ame into this program, then we find out, 85ee whiz, that's not anything. Lester: That's not true. Q: That's a limitation. /ere's a greater Truth. In other words to have this, I have to give up this. Lester: That's not true. ou haven't done that. /ave you)
Q: I haven't !ome in with that idea in mind, you mean) Lester: ou haven't !reated everything and then let go of all your wealth, have you) Q: 9o. Lester: Let me tell you why it isn't true" you've got a false idea. Q: 1aybe it's semanti!s we're tal(ing about here. Lester: 9o, it's not semanti!s. It's a wrong idea. %nd I'll tell you how# I'll tal( about me again. &hen I wanted to prove to
me that I !ould be a millionaire, I went into the real estate business, started buying apartment houses on a no;!ash investment in ea!h building. In si*;month's time I a!!umulated ? apartment houses, 4 to @4 units ea!h, and I was worth a million dollars. I had that mu!h e7uity a!!umulated,I guess it was in years' time. >verything went up in value and I had it. %ll right now, I let it go be!ause I saw that my se!urity was in my ability to produ!e at will 9ow, I (now from e*perien!e already I !an produ!e a million dollars. I already (now I !an produ!e at will. %nd therefore, I have everything that I want. I de!ided a year ago, I'm going to ma(e money. It's pouring in on meright now. It's pyra miding, very rapidly. Q: ou're a!hieving the same thing as you were !oming into, or the world to the !enter and ba!( out again. ou are your Self but your intention is with the world. Lester: The a!tual materiality is !oming in. ou !an still have more and more and more of materiality" there's no tri!( in there where you have it and then you don't have it. 9o, there's no su!h tri!(. If you want it, you !an have it more and more. It's loaded# it's not a snow; $ob. 9ow, some people may !hoose to Q: Some people ta(e it that way is what I was referring to, that this is the golden road and so on and a!tually when they get into it and begin to see the Truth, there's this thing, what you are, and you've got to give up this almost to en$oy this over here. Lester: ou don't have to give up anything, /arry. ou ta(e on more and more and more. ou don't give up anything.
I've heard you say the very same thing, that finally you get to the pla!e where you give up the greater pleasure for the lesser pleasure. I've heard you say that. Lester: ou give up a lesser pleasure for a greater pleasure# you got it upside down. ou're ta(ing on more all the time, not the reverse. ou're !arrying through some of your old !on!epts and applying it to what I'm saying whi!h isn't true# you ta(e on more and more all the time. ou're rea!hing for an infinity and you never stop until you've got an infinity. That's right. /ere's your infinity and then you rea!h ba!( here for something that's not infinite. Lester: %h, no, wait a minute, the infinity in!ludes all# there's nothing e*!luded. our !on!ept of infinity as being partial needs to be !he!(ed. &ell, relevant to Truth, Truth is what doesn't !hange and the world !hanges so it's illusionary, it's a momentary truth. Lester: Ao you really thin( you're going to have less as you go on getting more and more of Truth) 9o. Lester: &ell then, why do you !all it a snow;$ob) Ao you really thin( it is) Ao you still thin( it is) &ell, I was saying if you !ame into this,if the attra!tion for this type of thought was that you,similar to the 6harles Simmons approa!h, you ma(e a million dollars,I was saying that your value stru!ture at the time the million dollars was the mountain, and that was what you wanted to do, but when you learned more and more of Truth, of who you really are and what this is all about, this be!omes the se!ondary thing, not the primary thing at all, whi!h it was before. This is the primary thing, your very Being, your (nowledge of Self.
Lester: That's the Simmons' tea!hings that you're applying to our tea!hings and it doesn't fit. ou got separations going on, this and that and one versus the other" and this is the main point I'm trying to get a!ross" you don't lose anything# you don't lose your body# you don't lose your wealth, but you !an ta(e more of both# you !an ta(e more health and more wealth and be non;atta!hed to both of them and be free with them. Q: eah, I believe that. Lester: %nd basi!ally I've been as(ing, so why don't we go all the way and get totally free so we have no more troubles, no more miseries, where we !an have anything for the mere thought of it. Some day we're going to do this, everyone of us# why not now) Q: Is desire limitation) Lester: es. Q: Then, with /arry's thought in mind, if you went all the way, why would you desire anything, su!h as the million dollars) Q: &hi!h is ba!( to your early tea!hing to us,I thin( we were all sold on it,about this thing of desirelessness, limitlessness, freedom# there seems to be a little !onfli!t. Lester: /ere's the !onfli!t" you don't believe it. 9ow, if you had everything, what !ould you desire) 9othing, right) But do you have everything) Q: Sure I do. Lester: I want to answer %rt's 7uestion. There's no !ontradi!tion. ight now we want things# we want freedom# we want total freedom# we want all happiness and no sorrow. &e should have that. &e should have all the wealth we want, even if it's a billion dollars. %nd we go on and on until we have everything we want. I'm not against getting the things we want# I'm for it. &hen you have everything you want, you're there=
:" If you had the realization, why would you desire the million) Lester: 5et it, and then loo( see. If you had the realization, why would you have it) See, this is hypotheti!al Q: 9o, I said why would you desire the million, be!ause a desire is a limitation. Lester: Ao you have everything) Q: 9o. Lester: Therefore, you !annot get the answer to it. So I'm saying get everything first, and then you'll see the answer. See, you're loo(ing at up there from down here# you're wanting things here# you're saying, 8&ell, if I get everything then I won't want anything.8 I say you'll never (now until you go there. But I'm trying to !oa* you to ta(e everything. Fulfill every desire. That's the way to get to the desireless state. Q: It used to be we went from the top down, now we're going from the bottom up, aren't we) Lester: es. I'm trying to get the group to move to the pla!e where they $ust thin( and get whatever they want. Q: In other words, you don't want to assume (nowledge, you want 3nowledge) Lester: This is (nowledge# this is (now;how, is it not, to thin( and get what you want. That's (nowledge. That's the real (nowledge. :" It's still assumed (nowledge until it's demonstrated. Lester: es, but when you do it, you really (now how. Q: This is what you're saying, isn't it) Lester: es. %re we pra!ti!ing that, even in business today) %re we thin(ing and having things happen) Q: Aon't have any trouble with par(ing pla!es any more. CLaughter.D Lester: 9o trouble in what)
:" Ear(ing pla!es. Lester: &ell= That's great= ou (now why) ou !an apply that to anything= 0ust dare= aise your sights from par(ing pla!es to bigger and bigger and bigger. It's the e*a!t same prin!iple, /arry, that wor(s for par(ing pla!es or pla!es to par( gold, your gold. If you !an apply that same feeling, that same prin!iple, to other things, you'll have them also. %nd what I'm suggesting is that you do this now. Thin( and have things happen the way you thin( yourself into a par(ing pla!e. Thin( yourself into everything you want. Q: I thin( we're all doing this. &or(ing in that dire!tion. It's the point where you've got to be pretty !areful what you thin(. I'm very happy and very glad that we were e*posed to 0ewell who taught us, or a least I'm spea(ing for myself nowhow to build a house. Lester: 3en isn't here now# you !an say 8we.8 Q: 2ur building, our house, they're $ust our words unless we're !ons!ious of what we're building, what we're saying. Lester: %re you troubled with too many things) 9ow) %lready) Q: I've got a few in my garage I want to get rid of. CLaughter.D Lester: ou're troubled with too mu!h money) Q: It's not a problem to me. Lester: %re you troubled with too mu!h of it) Q: I'm not in that state. The feeling I have now about money is" so what) I have all I need. Lester: In other words, you're !ontent. Q: So to spea(, perhaps. Lester: %nd I'm trying to get you beyond that !ontented state. I'm trying to get you to go further so that you $ust thin( and
things happen, immediately. &hat you don't see is that now you thin( that you must thin( now and later on the thing happens. %nd I want to get you where you thin( now and it happens now. Q: Isn't that hallu!ination) Lester: 2h no= Q: /ow else would you get it) 2ne method of getting is by being, seeing and feeling in the state that you want to be and this thing follows. 1y biggest problem is getting other people in this. Lester: Spea( for yourself, Bob, get it for yourself. %fter you've got it for yourself, then you !an help others# you !an show them how they !an get it for themselves. Q: I still want to influen!e other people's lives. It's still the same old 7uestion I as(ed you when I first met you, I still haven't got satisfied within myself. Lester: The satisfa!tion for all your 7uestions will !ome only when you dis!over the full answers. I have never answered any 7uestion for you, Bob. I have tried to help you to get the answers for you. But I really believe that you're not !onvin!ed that you !an have anything for the mere thought of it. ou don't even believe it, leave alone being !onvin!ed. If you were !onvin!ed it would be so for you. So, maybe it $ust boils down to the fa!t that we don't want anymore# we're satisfied. %re we) Q: &hat bothered me a great deal when you used to tal(, o!!asionally you'd bring this up, you'd say you !an suffer and yet be beyond it. This to me doesn't ma(e sense# how !an you suffer when you !an't suffer) our true Being !an't suffer, yet you'd say, 8&ell, I !an be hurting and yet I !an thin( otherwise,8 this doesn't ma(e sense at all. ou !an't hurt and
(now what you truly are. ou !an't be limited and (now what you really are. Lester: The body !an hurt Q: I don't believe it= Lester: %nd I, if I am not the body, will not hurt. :" Then your body doesn't hurt= Be!ause there's nothing there. Lester: 2.3., you're right. 9ow, to really understand these things, as everything else, you must e*perien!e them. ou see, I give out different levels of Beingness in trying to get you to move up. There are different !on!epts of the body. The !on!ept8I am the body8 means I have to suffer every limitation this body has. If I ta(e on the !on!ept8I !an !ontrol this body,8 then I !an ma(e it be the way I want it to be. I !an ma(e it healthy and I don't feel it. I !an move up further and say, 8I am not the body,8 and even though the body hurts, I, being not the body, it doesn't bother me. %nd then the body is out there and I am here, and the body out there I (now has pain in it, but it doesn't bother me. %nd then I !an move up from there, too, see) These are all different levels. &hen I see that I am not the body, totally, the body !an never ever limit me in any way. So, it's a matter of what level you're loo(ing at it from. So I started from the bottom" I am the body# if it hurts, I'm in trouble# I'm in agony and I yell. I move up# it gets better and better. 5o all the way to the top, you're not the body, you're $ust Beingness being all Beingness. :" %nd sin!e I'm the limitation, the body being a limitation, if I refuse limitation then there's no body to be messed with) Fran(ly, sometimes I'm afraid of going insane. CLaughter.D Lester: ou !ouldn't even if you tried. ou (now too mu!h. Insanity !omes from deep, deep apathy. 9o one here is in
apathy" no one is near apathy. So, fortunately, we !an't go insane, so that's nothing to worry about. If you want to go out of your mind, that's possible. ou !an go beyond your mind# you don't have to thin( if you don't want to. ou !an move into the realm of (nowingness and then you operate on the spur of the moment, li(e a hun!h, a hun!h or an intuitive feeling, or it $ust !omes to you# you (now without thin(ing. If you're doing that, you're operating beyond mind. ou're operating in the realm of (nowingness, where you don't have to thin(. But that's not insanity. That's the other end of the s!ale. %ny one else have any 7uestions on &hy don't we go all the way) &hy don't we $ust thin( and have things happen) Q: ou never have e*plained what you really mean by going all the way. Lester: I did, right at the beginning. 5o to the unlimited state# be totally free# have no more !ompulsions# have no more sub!ons!ious thoughts operating# every thought you have is a !hoi!e of the moment. Q: In other words what you're saying you want us to wor( out in our own system, in our own way, the thoughts that we have harbored within us, and this to you is our growth. Lester: Let go of all the sub!ons!ious thoughts. :" &ell then, where's this money !omple* !oming into this thing) Lester: I'm $ust baiting you# that's where it !omes in. &e all want money, so I'm putting it up as an in!entive, to ma(e you go further and get a million dollars. ou !an always drop it if you don't want it. Q: To ea!h his own. 1aybe that isn't my type of demonstration.
Lester: 2.3., but get to the pla!e where you !an demonstrate anything you want immediately, is what I'm suggesting. %nd I'm as(ing &hy don't you want to live this ni!e, beautiful, easy way) Q: I do. Lester: I say you don't, /arry. Q: % few pains, here and there. Lester: 2h. % few here and a few there. ou don't have everything you want, /arry. If you want to see me later, I !an tell you a lot of things that you want that you don't have. Q: 5ot that mouse in your po!(et again) CLaughter.D Lester: &ell, are there any other things that you would li(e to as() Is there anything that I !an help you with on anything)
Q: 6an we help ea!h other) I mean, li(e %rt and I. Lester: es. Q: 2r, if we see that the other one needs help is it $ust us that needs it) Lester: ou !an help the other one to help himself. If you do things for the other one, you !ripple the other one. But we !an help others to help themselves. Q: 1ainly by our !hange of attitude) Lester: That's part of it# $ust !hanging your attitude toward the other one helps the other one. The more we see the perfe!tion of the other one, the more we're supporting the other one toward that perfe!tion. ou !hange your attitude and the other one will !hange# wat!h it. Q: To !hange my attitude, do you mean my basi! understanding that he's part of my !ons!iousness and there's nothing but perfe!t !ons!iousness and not thin( of him as an individual limited)
Lester: es. That's an e*!ellent way to do it. It wor(s, doesn't it) Q: It wor(s perfe!tly, yes. It wor(s instantly. Lester: Eeople will a!tually fit our !ons!iousness of them. Q: Then, if Lillian tells me she wants a bigger house, I've got to !lear my own !ons!iousness to let her fulfill my desires. Be!ause it's only in my thoughts that I have her !onsidered, isn't that right) I don't have to !onsider Lillian# it's only me that I have to !onsider, my own happiness, then she is happy. That is, my own happiness would be to go to the ultimate happiness Lester: But you gotta separation" Lil and me. Q: I always had this problem, you (now, sin!e I've (nown you. Lester: ou didn't have it at times# you would say, 8&ho is Lillian but my !ons!iousness)8 Q: es. I say that. I $ust said it a few minutes ago" I've only got to deal with my own !ons!iousness. Lester: 2.3. That in!ludes Lillian, right)
Q: es, that's right. Q: That in!ludes a bigger house, too. CLaughter.D Q: I'll have to get rid of a limitation within my own !ons!iousness. That's all I'm dealing with anyway" I'm not dealing with Lillian or houses or land, I'm dealing with my own !ons!iousness. The blo!(s are within myself or the unlimitedness is within myself. %nd, as you said" If I'm an infinite Being now, I !an do it now= I won't have to wait until I get home. Lester: ight. Q: &e're going to the moving 7ui!(=
Q: By the time you get home, Lil, you're going to be happy with your house, as is. Lester: If you a!!epted it, that same house !ould be twi!e the size, when you went home. It would be so natural you wouldn't even noti!e it. ou'd $ust move into a home twi!e the size that you left. Q: eah) Lester: I on!e too( an entire island for myself, Bob. I too( an entire island off the 6hina !oast. I'm going ba!( now. I owned an entire island all myself. %nd grew the most deli!ious fruit trees. >*ported the idea to the 1ainland. This was in a past life. I was trying to dis!over why I've always li(ed fruit so mu!h. &hen I was a !hild I always preferred fruit to any other food, and I still do. %nd it threw me ba!( into a life off the 6hina !oast. I had a whole island and I spent most of my time in developing bigger and better fruit trees and then e*ported the trees to the 1ainland. But I had an entire island. I was (ing of my domain. ou !an have as big a home as you want. Ta(e all you want, but ta(e the best, is what I'm saying. Ta(e all you want and ta(e the best. &ell, if we don't have any more 7uestions, I'll !all the Session off. %ny more 7uestions)
Q: ou want to say anything about healing) 1aybe that's one of the things you thought of in regard to me. Lester: &ell, that's part of what I've been saying" $ust for the mere thought we !an have anything we want, whether it's health or wealth. %nd we should have it instantaneously. %nything in the way of health or wealth. Q: Teddi demonstrated that, didn't she)
Lester: &ith her father. es.&hat happened) /er father had a stro(e last wee( and was getting totally paralyzed and when she got to the hospital, he was mostly paralyzed and he loo(ed as though he was finished. She went in and put a 7uestion to him, 8Ao you want to leave, Aaddy)8 %nd it shoo( him up and he loo(ed at her. %nd she began to !ry and he grabbed her,he had one hand that wasn't para lyzed yet,and he grabbed her by the hand and he started to !ry. %nd then she !alled in all the power that she is and she said the whole room, everyone in the room, there were others in the room, everyone got 7uite" everyone got pea!eful. It was li(e everyone was meditating and all of a sudden he started to get better and better. %nd he undid most of his paralysis. /e didn't leave the hospital be!ause they wanted to (eep him there for !he!(ing. But she used it for her father. But she got him to go with her by her turning on the power. /e responded to it. Q: /e's all right now) Lester: I was so totally a!!epting of the fa!t that he is perfe!t that when he !ame to life and sat up and spo(e to me I wasn't even aware of the fa!t that it had happened. This is how mu!h a!!epting of it you are,until the Ao!tor !ame ba!( into the room, loo(ed at him and then yelled for the o*ygen tan( and plopped it over his head, whi!h s!ared him again. But he didn't leave# he stayed. &hen we turn on the power full, it's there. Q: Is there a meeting here tonight) C3en and ivian !ame in.D Lester: 3en 9ign has $ust entered the room, at the tail end. &here you !oming from)
Q: From selling the airplane. This group seems too pea!eful. Aid you $ust !hew them out or something) Lester: I thin( so. 9ot 8out8 but 8up,8 and upward
Q: ou gave them something to thin( about, I !an tell, everyone of them. Lester: /ow mu!h !an you !ount) CTal( and laughter.D Q: &ell, she's $ust ta(ing it from the top, I guess. Q: 9o, it was from the tape. CLaughter.D Lester: There's really no order to them. She's $ust ta(ing one she happened to hit. :" Seemed li(e a pretty good group there. I almost felt, 85ee, that's a better group than we got out here.8 Lester: It's probably different, isn't it) ou'll re!ognize yours when it !omes, be!ause we're leaving in first names, now. They'll only be on!e a month now, be!ause people were !omplaining that there's too mu!h in there# please don't send so mu!h. So they'll probably average around + pages ea!h, on!e a month. %nd that way you !an better absorb it, I guess. But you !an see the advantage of having it in bla!( and white rather than listening to a tape, be!ause when you hit something that stri(es you, you stay with it# whereas if I'm tal(ing I !an go on to something else when you're trying to or beginning to, get a realization of some thing. By my tal(ing about something else I pull you off it. %nd the ne*t time you go to it, it is more diffi!ult to get the realization. 1omentum is very important in getting realizations. ou stay with something, it be!omes !learer and !learer as you stay with it. But if it starts getting !lear and you move off, when you !ome ba!( on to it, it's more diffi!ult to get into it again. %nd so, I am anti tal(s, tapes, be!ause of that. I !an see it doing harm in that it doesn't let you stay with something, be!ause the !onversa tion goes on and on and you move off one thing onto anotherto
another without getting a realization of any one of them. I believe you got mu!h more good out of reading the boo( The
verifi!ation of this and I'd li(e to (now a little more about it if you !an tell me that 0ehovah;5od means the 8I %m8 5od. Lester: 0ehovah means I am. Q: &here do you get this from) I'd li(e to (now !ause I would li(e to pass it on. Lester: It was told to me by a student of the Bible who (new /ebrew. Q: They're very (een on /ebrew. They're rewriting the whole Bible. 9ow why haven't they !ome up with this) 2r maybe they've !ome up with this and suppressed it, I don't (now. Lester: ou don't have the right one in me when you're tal(ing about the Bible. I'm not a student of the Bible. Aoes anyone else (now that, or has anyone heard that 0ehovah means I am. Q: es. I have. Lester: /arry) :" %ny way, that's our !ommon ground. %ny time he says 80ehovah8 I say 8%hem=8 CLaughter.D Lester: There is one senten!e in the entire Bible that is !apitalized. Ao you (now what it is) :" I %1. Lester: 8I %1 T/%T I %1.8 There's one other senten!e that gives the way" 8Be still and (now that I am 5od.8 Those two senten!es are the essen!e :" 8/e that hath seen me hath seen the Father,8 whi!h is another truth, too. Lester: es, or better" 8I and the Father are one.8 83now ye not that ye are gods)8 Q: /ow do you see all these dis!ourses of this type) 2f !ourse, I guess you base it on what your motive is for dis!oursing.
Lester: >veryone is see(ing the e*a!t, same, thing in his every a!t. >very being is see(ing e*a!tly that whi!h we are see(ing in every thing he is doing. 6an you see it now)
:" 2h yes. Lester: I thin( we all ought to see that" that we're all see(ing the e*a!t same thing. The world !alls it the ultimate happiness. &e !all it the 8I that I am.8 But we say that the 8I that I am8 is the ultimate happiness. Ais!over your Self and you dis!over the greatest happi ness and you get the greatest !ontentment. It's a satiation that is all satisfying. Lester: &e still hold onto the beliefs that we have e*treme limita tions. This is the problem. %nd we don't have enough in!entive to let go of them. %s I said, there's no reason why anyone here shouldn't have everything he or she wants for the mere thought of it, instanta; neously,that some day you're going to do this. &hy not now) %nd the reason is, I say, that you don't believe it. ou hold onto the oppo site" that you !an't do it, and that's the only reason why you !an't. Q: &ell maybe it's be!ause things are going easier, things don't matter and then we don't go ahead. Lester: es, the in!entive, the drive, is far less now than it was when we were unhappy. Q: If it's mu!h less then we should be more pea!eful. Lester: &ell, aren't we) :" es. Lester: But what I'm trying to do is to get you to the total pea!e. ven though it's mu!h better now, it should be best. Q: 5ot one more step to go. Lester: &hat do we need to go it) This is the big thing" &hat do we need to go it)
Q: &e need to believe that we !an. Lester: I thin( we need to re!ognize that we don't believe that we !an, first. &e're still holding onto tremendous non; a!!eptan!e of the idea that we are unlimited. &hen you see first that you really don't a!!ept it,if you !onfront that, you !an let go of that better.
Q: If we rushed into that as fast as we rush into things that !ause us problems, we wouldn't have any. Q: This evening when you spo(e of Teddi as(ing you to be with her when we went to see her father,what (ind of thoughts do you thin( when you thin( of her father) Lester: I (now he is infinite, all;perfe!t, and to the degree I (now that, to that degree I support him in his per!eption of his perfe!tion. Q: In theory we are supposed to do this with everybody we see, isn't this true) Lester: es. Q: 6ause we're only tal(ing about ourself. Lester: es. Q: But if it is a theory, a theory is something that is abstra!t and is out here by itself. It doesn't ne!essarily mean a belief. Lester: % theory is not a law# it is supposition. %fter it is proven, a theory be!omes a law. :" This gives us our freedom then, to (now that whoever we meet is the same person. Lester: There's nothing out there but our !ons!iousness. :" &hy did you use the word 8our8) Lester: our, is that better) Q: That ma(es me feel good. CLaughter.D Lester: Be!ause we are one, that's why I used the word 8our.8 There's only on!e !ons!iousness and we are it.
4" &hat I was trying to get away from is the idea of having to over!ome another !ons!iousness. I don't have anything to over!ome. Lester: ou're right# you don't over!ome. ou see what is. :" That's right. There's nothing else. Lester: ight. There's nothing else but what is. %nd what is is whole, perfe!t, grand, and glorious, and delightful, and e*oti! and e!stati! and everything good you !an thin( of. Q: /e's getting to be 7uite a sale man, isn't he) %ll those ad$e!tives) Lester: I don't (now. %m I) ou see, if you people would do these things" $ust thin( and have things happen, then I !ould do it to. &e !ould all do it together. If you !ould a!!ept it Q: Aon't wait for us, Lester. Lester: I didn't, but I !ame ba!( to you, and this time I want you to !ome with me. Q: Tal(ing about demonstration, isn't it very helpful many times for the 5uru to point out things or perhaps, doing some a!t. Lester: ou want an a!t of magi!) If I performed a!ts of magi! it would help you none. I don't thin( any,%rt, have you seen any a!ts of magi!) Q: That isn't what I said# those are your words. Lester: Aemonstration, all right) I'll !ome down to the word demonstration. I thin( %rt has seen some demonstration. 3en, you've seen a demonstration. I don't (now whether you still a!!ept it. /e saw it, and then he said it wasn't, see, this is what usually happens. /ow do you feel about it now) :" I've seen a year and a half of demonstration, friends. Lester: But remember the ma!hine, the dupli!ator that wasn't wor(ing) %t 6alte*. Q: 2h, yeah.
Lester: Aid it happen, or didn't it happen) 9ow as far as you're !on!erned)
Q: I'm sure that it did. It !ouldn't, but it did. %nd not only I was !onvin!ed, but the lady and the repairman that they !alled out to fi* the !otton;pi!(ing ma!hine was !onvin!ed. Lester: I went to 6alte* with 3en and I wanted to get !opies from one of the boo(s in their library. The dupli!ating ma!hine was out of order# there was a pie!e of tape over the money part so you !ouldn't put money in# there was a big sign" 2, and when I as(ed the girl for !hange, for dimes, to put into it to try it, she didn't want to give it to me# she resisted. She said 8It's been out of order and they tried to fi* it.8 %nd I said,I had to !oa* her into giving me !hange, and I said, 8It's only a dime,8 that's all they !harge per !opy. I went over to the ma!hine and I too( the tape off the money thing and I got, I thin( it was two or three !opies of pages I wanted and I said to 3en, 8It would be interesting to see what happens now I don't need it any more.8 %nd I put another dime in and it !ame out bla!( and $ust then the head of the library !ame over and said, 82h, it's been that way for some time. &e've been waiting for the repair man to !ome in and fi* it.8 So it went right ba!( to the way it was. But when I wanted the !opies made, the ma!hine wor(ed. Q: That's magi!. Lester: That's magi!. %nd yet it's $ust a mere effortless thought that does these things. But it didn't help 3en any, did it) Q: I said, 86oin!iden!e.8 Lester: es, !oin!iden!e. Then I gave him a demonstration of harmony on a trip we too(. I $ust said, 8It is,8 I let go and I let
it be. &e got the ni!est plane out, what was it,verything fell perfe!tly into line. &e were ba!( in Los %ngeles, about five;thirty or so, and we were in a restaurant downtown in L.%. But it was a harmonious day# everything fell right into line perfe!tly. %nd this is the way life should be all the time. But it was a demonstration. I (new it was a demonstration. It $ust !ame to me to let it be, for 3en's sa(e at the ma!hine and... Q: &e hit transformer winding divisions of, li(e &estern >le!tri!, well, there's one (ey man probably in the whole plant that we !ould tal( with and his s!hedule was so that it fit $ust e*a!tly in our s!hedule and he was the only one in probably the whole plant who !ould answer all the 7uestions and told us what we needed to (now. %nd this went not only for &estinghouse but three or four other different plants and we got the (ey man, the only man who was really 7ualified to answer all the 7uestions we had and yet give us a 7uotation on
it and even to e*tent of getting a new !ar on loan then getting it ba!( and stepping out of the !ar and wal(ing up to the ti!(et booth and pi!(ing up the ti!(et. Lester: >verything was $ust perfe!t, right) Q: eah. Lester: %ll right now, the point I'm trying to ma(e is I don't thin( it helped 3en in his realizations one bit. Q: That's $ust the way it ought to be, see) There's no 7uestion about the right or wrong of it# it was $ust beautiful. Lester: But that's the way life should be all the time, every day. >verything should fall perfe!tly into line. Q: eah, but when you get there you rea!h your plateau and you don't want to go on. Is that the pla!e we're going to be) Lester: ou don't want to go on) Q: &hen you get to the top, you're up there. Q: &hen you're having all these things fall into line... Lester: It's delightful= It's perfe!t= It's marvelous= Q: ou've arrived, then. Lester: 2h yeah. &hen you're !ons!iously letting everything be perfe!t, you're there. Lester: I (new some men who used to live on 6entral Ear( South in 9ew or(# they were 6hristian S!ientists, who $ust sat ba!(, let men !ome to them, let men ma(e millions of dollars for them and they hardly ever wor(ed# they only put in a few hours a wee( tal(ing to these men. Q: &hat (ind of wor( did they do) Lester: 9o wor(. Q: >n$oyable type. Lester: But that doesn't ma(e millions. Q: That's what I meant# you're giving up something greater for lesser.
