Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 Statement Transcript PROS File 2014-646828 5 Subject: Address: Phone:
Justin Christien BOURQUE DOB : 1989/11/12 Moncton, NB
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Sgt. Jean-René LEVESQUE Cpl. Gabriel DEVEAU Cst. Marie-Eve SUREAULT Cst. Richard HARVEY Cst. Travis JONES
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BOURQUE:
In here?
HARVEY:
Yeah. Just have a seat there. Are you okay with me loosening him up a bit 1
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DEVEAU:
Oh yeah. Oh yeah loosen that up for sure.
BOURQUE:
Ah thank you.
DEVEAU:
It seems like it hurts.
HARVEY:
They’re gonna stay on? They’re gonna stay on?
BOURQUE:
Ahh Ahhh (in pain from handcuffs)
SUREAULT:
Hi.
JONES:
Travis Jones
SUREAULT:
Marie-Eve
HARVEY:
Set it down here.
DEVEAU:
Cold? Are you cold?
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BOURQUE:
A little bit on this one?
BOURQUE:
All right.
HARVEY:
Get you to push your wrist down a bit. Is that decent?
BOURQUE:
Yeah that’s not too bad.
HARVEY:
Can you keep your wrist in one way they’ll be fine okay
BOURQUE:
Right.
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No it just really hurts. They put a hurting on me those guys.
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HARVEY:
Okay, just have a seat right here
DEVEAU
Is that better then?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
HARVEY:
So once, once you’re done you can just initial the chartered part there.
DEVEAU:
Yup, thank you.
HARVEY:
Okay thanks, I’ll just be outside if you need anything.
BOURQUE:
Wow!
JONES:
Just so you’re aware guys he’s been offered service in English or en francais, he’s chosen English. He’s been cautioned and chartered and he’s spoken to Duty Counsel at road side, not on a secure line, and while I holding the phone for him on road side so just so your aware.
DEVEAU:
We’ll go over that. Okay Justin, uh do you mind if I call you Justin.
BOURQUE:
Go ahead.
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DEVEAU:
It’s Justin and it’s BOURQUE, right?
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BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
So he told me but I’ll ask you anyway. My name is Corporal DEVEAU. I’m with the RCMP Major Crime. This is Constable SUREAULT, my partner.
SUREAULT:
Marie-Eve, nice to meet you.
DEVEAU:
Ah…
BOURQUE:
Nice to meet you.
DEVEAU:
…because you have Justin BOURQUE, you’re like me you’re probably Anglophone but French name so…
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BOURQUE:
Yeah I was born French actually.
DEVEAU:
Would you prefer French or English?
BOURQUE:
English…
DEVEAU:
English, okay.
BOURQUE:
…just because I speak it more.
DEVEAU:
Ah, I’ll just touch on that real quick where this is being recorded as just so that it protects yourself and myself and the room is being recorded as well. Ah just, how are you? I know it’s a rough night.
BOURQUE:
Well…
DEVEAU:
…these guys didn’t treat you too bad I hope?
BOURQUE:
Oh these guys were great.
DEVEAU:
Okay.
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It’s the SWAT guys man, they friggen put me to the ground and they kept threatening me, I thought they were seriously gonna kill me. He was choking me…
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DEVEAU:
Well I’m glad he didn’t do that.
BOURQUE:
…he ah twisted my spine a hell of a lot , he, well one guy was stepping on my balls the whole time.
DEVEAU:
Okay…
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
… well I certainly don’t commend anything but I mean I just want to be sure you’re okay.
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BOURQUE:
I surrendered peacefully too.
DEVEAU:
Okay if there’s anything you, don’t be shy let us know okay.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
There’s just a few things I need to go over with you. Ah you, he mentioned it so obviously you were given your rights to counsel and that…
BOURQUE:
Uh huh.
DEVEAU:
…caution, I’m gonna do it formally and do it again. Ah so you’re under arrest ah, I’m arresting you today here for three counts of first degree murder on police officers ah and two counts of attempted murder on police officers as well so five, five infractions in total. Before you say anything Justin it is my duty to inform you that you have the right to retain and instruct legal counsel without delay. Do you understand that?
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm.
DEVEAU:
Yeah. You have the right to telephone a lawyer of your own choice, you can also have the right to free legal advice from Legal Aid lawyer. If you are later charged with an offense you may apply to Legal Aid for assistance. You have the right to speak to a lawyer in private. If you wish to speak to a lawyer you can call a lawyer of your own choice or you can call Duty Counsel at no cost for free legal advice. Do you understand that?
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BOURQUE:
Mmhmm.
DEVEAU:
And what do you mean when you say mmhmm?
BOURQUE:
Yeah I understand that.
DEVEAU:
Okay, thank you. Ah what do you want to do with your right to contact a lawyer right now?
BOURQUE:
Well contact my parents right now if they’re up…
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DEVEAU:
Okay
BOURQUE:
And they can probably...
DEVEAU:
I, what about the lawyer, we’ll deal with the parents after, I got no problem with that.
BOURQUE:
Oh I have no idea.
DEVEAU:
So do you want to call a lawyer, I, with the charges I read to you and the uh, the offenses that you’re facing I’d seriously consider that. It’s pretty serious yeah.
BOURQUE:
Well isn’t it life either way?
DEVEAU:
Well that’s, that’s totally uh irrelevant for me at this point but I want, do you want to call a lawyer of your choice or Legal Aid or?
BOURQUE:
uh like I said if I called my parents they’d find somebody more suitable I’d think.
DEVEAU:
Okay is there anybody that you can think of like a lawyer or?
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BOURQUE:
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Oh no, I’m the least bureaucratic guy you’ll ever meet.
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DEVEAU:
Okay. Uh we can call Legal Aid then to see if you’re satisfied with that and then…, your choice.
BOURQUE:
uhh I think I’ll stick with my option there. I think my folks would find me somebody.
DEVEAU:
You think they’d find you a lawyer?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
Okay.
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DEVEAU:
Do we have a number for your parents or?
BOURQUE:
Yup.
DEVEAU:
Do you, do you have it the numbers?
BOURQUE:
Yeah, it’s uhh
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DEVEAU:
Okay. The other thing I must read to you ah, you need not say anything, you have nothing to hope from any promises or favor and nothing to fear from any threat whether or not you say anything. Anything you say may be given as evidence. Do you understand that?
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BOURQUE:
(Nods affirmatively).
DEVEAU:
You’re answer is?
BOURQUE:
Yes.
DEVEAU:
Yes. What, what do you understand by me saying that?
BOURQUE:
Well that if I say something that could you know point to another crime I committed in the meantime it could be used against me.
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Okay so you understand. Now because you spoke to other police officers I’m just gonna read you this as well. umm, you must understand Justin that anything you said, anything said to you previously by other officers should not influence you nor make you feel compelled to say anything at this time. Whatever you felt influenced or compelled to say earlier you’re not now obliged to repeat nor are you obliged to say anything further but whatever you do say may be given as evidence. Do you understand that?
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BOURQUE:
Yup.
DEVEAU:
Okay that’s just because you spoke to a member before you spoke to me. So if you don’t mind, what I’ll do is…do you mind calling?
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I can go, yeah.
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DEVEAU:
…and see if they have a lawyer to suggest and if not we’ll suggest Legal Aid.
SUREAULT:
So
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Your parents name, Justin?
BOURQUE:
Denise and Victor.
DEVEAU:
Okay.
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SUREAULT:
alright, I’ll be back.
DEVEAU:
It’s warm in here.
BOURQUE:
I think it got a little cooler now.
DEVEAU:
Yeah.
BOURQUE:
(Laughs).
DEVEAU:
You’re from Moncton, Moncton area?
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How old are you?
BOURQUE:
Twenty-four. The only lesson that can be learned from this is don’t home school your kids.
DEVEAU:
You were home schooled?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
Must have had some advantages.
BOURQUE:
Having a free mind is never an advantage in a socialist world my friend. (Laughs)
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Yeah, Moncton area, whole life.
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DEVEAU:
So what was your mother like a teacher by profession or?
BOURQUE:
No.
DEVEAU:
Taught herself?
BOURQUE:
Yeah. She just didn’t want us to get all you know brained washed and she saw how people would come out of public school, they don’t let you have any personality and…
DEVEAU:
True.
BOURQUE:
Yeah, Well it’s what they’re trying to bread right.
DEVEAU:
Some merits, right.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
So she’s gonna check if your folks uh have a parents, ah lawyer that they suggest, if not ah then we can call Legal Aid. Who did you speak with prior?
BOURQUE:
Her name was Denise LEPAGE or LEBLANC I think maybe.
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Okay, is that your choice or did you..?
BOURQUE:
No it was just…
DEVEAU:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
It’s raining hard eh…
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
…outside.
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BOURQUE:
If I would have known that I wouldn’t have had to go out to get water. (Laughs) They totally caught me when I went in somebody’s back yard to turn the hose on.
DEVEAU:
I’ll just check where she is.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
Are you cold or?
BOURQUE:
Who my parents?
DEVEAU:
No, are you cold?
BOURQUE:
Oh no I’m fine.
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I can see your clothes are wet. I’ll get you a blanket or something there.
BOURQUE:
I’ll be all right.
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Where were these guys from, the officers that brought you in?
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I have no idea actually. All I know is that Fredericton SWAT is a bunch of torturous assholes. (Laughs) Wow!
DEVEAU:
Did you do all grade one to twelve, home school?
BOURQUE:
Yup.
DEVEAU:
How does that work then? Does that get recognize though like for college or?
BOURQUE:
Yeah we do standardize tests…
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… and then we ended up with a G.E.D. which was easy as hell.
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Still...
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
Probably hard to measure. You know what I mean, learning what…
BOURQUE:
Oh well what we’d do is we’d actually get a standardize test from the actual schools well up til, I think it was 2006 and they stopped doing it.
DEVEAU:
Cause you have siblings too right, yeah.
BOURQUE:
I have five sisters and…
DEVEAU:
Did they all do home school?
BOURQUE:
Yup.
DEVEAU:
Okay. So your mom would probably learn from one to the other. Like what, what worked well and…
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Yeah.
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DEVEAU:
…what. It’s interesting. I’m not sure I’d home school my kids.
BOURQUE:
No you don’t want…
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I, I wouldn’t be smart enough to be a teacher.
BOURQUE:
…you don’t want them to develop a free mind, it’s dangerous.
DEVEAU:
Yeah.
BOURQUE:
Like I’m just gonna tell you from person to person and they only reason I did this is because I see myself as a you know a fish with his hook, a hook in his mouth you know. You either get work at a call center, go to college put yourself in further debt or…either you fight for your freedom with couple of 11
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Cpl. DEVEAU exits the room (Voices heard outside the room)… 2:01:42 Cpl. DEVEAU enters the room
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BOURQUE:
All right then.
DEVEAU:
Okay. So I’ll just call the number. It’ll probably be the same lady. You spoke to before. I’m gonna call that number here. Could you ask the guard if we have a call back number for that phone?
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Hi my name is Corporal DEVEAU with the RCMP Major Crime Unit. I’m presently in Sackville New Brunswick. I have a person in custody that needs to speak to a Legal Aid lawyer. Ah, just one second.
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DEVEAU: SUREAULT: DEVEAU:
Oh Sorry It’s in English. Yeah, yup. Thank you very much. Just wait for them to call back.
BOURQUE:
Uh huh. So how did dad sound?
DEVEAU:
Ah she spoke to him…I didn’t get a chance.
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Is he gonna call it?
SUREAULT:
No.
BOURQUE:
So how did dad sound?
SUREAULT:
The what?
BOURQUE:
How did dad sound?
SUREAULT:
Uh, I’m not the one who spoke with him.
BOURQUE:
Ah.
SUREAULT:
It’s my, my colleague.
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Hello. Hello. I can’t I can’t hear you, can you go again. Hello. Hi Lise. Is it Lise? Lise it’s Corporal DEVEAU with the RCMP in Sackville, New Brunswick. Umm I have a person here by the name of Justin BOURQUE who would like to speak with you. I’m not sure what he gave you for charges before, I can read reiterate if you want. He’s under arrest for three charges of, three counts of first degree murder and two counts of attempted murder. I’ll give him the phone right now. No. Ah we’ll have to verify that I’m, not sure I assume Moncton court. Just one second. I don’t know how you can use the phone with your, I have to step out here so…are you okay? I’m gonna leave. Lise I’ll just be one second.
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It will just be a second
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 2:25:08 DEVEAU:
Okay just a few things we want to (…)ok so you spoke to a Lise, was that the same one you had spoken to? Ok.
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
DEVEAU:
Are you satisfied with her advice or a
BOURQUE:
Ahh yeah
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That she gave you? Okay. Umm there is just a few things I wanted to go over with you tonight. And so umm do you know where we are right now? I just want to make sure you know.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
Okay where are we?
BOURQUE:
Sackville.
DEVEAU:
Sackville, and do you know what the date is today?
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It should be like June 3rd or 2nd Do you know what like what day of the week?
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BOURQUE:
Oh, Thursday yeah.
DEVEAU:
Thursday ok. Umm ok and do you take any medications are you on any medications which ever?
BOURQUE:
No.
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Okay.
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Did you eat today?
BOURQUE:
A little bit.
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Yeah.
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When was the last time you ate?
BOURQUE:
Uhh I had a granola bar at around probably noon I’m guessing.
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That’s all?
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Do you have any idea what time it is right now?
BOURQUE:
It’s like two in the morning.
DEVEAU:
Okay, so that’s been a long hall for you so we might get you something to eat here
BOURQUE:
Water would be absolutely phenomenal.
DEVEAU:
And water for sure.
SUREAULT:
For sure yup.
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That’s why I got caught. (chuckles)
Okay, the only thing that uh well do. That I need to do ok, uh these are, I’m just gonna take samples of your hands and your cheeks ok that’s for gunshot residue, ok. Umm so it will just take a min and then we will get you out and someone will grab food and get you water what do you prefer we got I think probably the choice of chicken or beef usually it’s the same.
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SUREAULT:
Probably chicken.
BOURQUE:
Mmm chicken.
SUREAULT:
Probably chicken.
DEVEAU:
It’s actually not that bad.
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 2:26:48 BOURQUE:
Well I heard prison food is actually pretty good.
DEVEAU:
Okay, so this shouldn’t take too long.
BOURQUE:
Is my jaw purple or anything, like?
DEVEAU:
Umm no, the side of your head a little bit but
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Yeah a little bit there on the side
DEVEAU:
It’s still sore
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BOURQUE:
Right, you should have seen it like, the people, I hope the neighbors testified to that like cause that was just crazy like it was a good ten minutes waiting I was just like wooow when am I getting thrown into the car already you know…
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And they were just stomping on everything.
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I see you have cuts, so I’m gonna try not to touch…
BOURQUE:
Oh, I can take it man
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I know it’s going to hurt, Okay. It’s just gonna stick a little bit but it shouldn’t be ah…
BOURQUE:
Naw that’s not bad at all.
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It’s alright?
BOURQUE:
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Okay, left hand.
BOURQUE:
No infections or blood poison either great.
DEVEAU:
Okay, turn it over I’ll do your other hand. (Pause) Okay, I gotta do this on your left side of your cheek so I’ll go to that side and again I’ll try to stay away from the… tell me if it hurts ok, I’ll…
BOURQUE:
Don’t worry about it man.
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no I don’t want to hurt you or anything…hurt you anymore anyways.
BOURQUE:
(Chuckles) you’re a good man.
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Left side (Writing on sample)…can you…I’ll just push back your hair if you don’t mind there…just, is that ok?
BOURQUE:
Yeah don’t worry about it.
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Okay, that’s good, anything else you can think of? (talking to SUREAULT)
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You said you don’t take any medications eh? Nothing at all?
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BOURQUE:
No.
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Okay, alright.
DEVEAU:
Alright, so if you want to come with me…
SUREAULT:
Yup
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Well ah go set up a cell there but well make sure that you can get some food and some water…
BOURQUE:
Right on.
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We’ll have to uh; we’ll have to take that shirt too…
BOURQUE:
Yeah I hope I don’t mess everything else up.
SUREAULT:
Oh don’t worry about it.
DEVEAU:
Well get somebody to clean that up.
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DEVEAU takes the phone and phone book out of the interview room LEVESQUE moves the chairs around in the room at 2:52:46 LEVESQUE leaves the room 2:53:04 DEVEAU and LEVESQUE return to the room DEVEAU wipes off table where BOURQUE was sitting, DEVEAU leaves the room again at 2:53:31 LEVESQUE closes the door 2:53:38
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Je vais enlever le téléphone le camera donne icitte hein…
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DEVEAU, SUREAULT and BOURQUE leave the interview room. (Background mumbling of voices talking in cell area) 2:52:04 LEVESQUE and DEVEAU enter room LEVESQUE talks to DEVEAU in French
Hello my name is Uh JR LEVESQUE I am the polygraph examiner with the RCMP uh based out of Bathurst attached to Major Crime Unit and today is uh the 6th, June the 6th it is presently 5 minutes passed three o’clock in the morning I am presently in the uh interview uh suit in the cells block of the Sackville RCMP in New Brunswick uh here for the file 2014-646828 in reference to the shooting of the five members of the RCMP which occurred uh June 4th around 7:30. Uh Mr. BOURQUE has been uh arrested shortly past twelve o’clock and is presently in cells and um I will be interviewing him umm shortly. LEVESQUE leaves the interview room 2:54:45.
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 2:55:56 LEVESQUE returns to the interview room and rearranges the chairs.
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2:56:15 LEVESQUE returns to the interview room and rearranges the chairs. 2:56:27 LEVESQUE leaves the room again. 2:57:49 LEVESQUE returns to the interview room and rearranges the chairs again. 2:58:06 LEVESQUE leaves the room again. 2:58:47 LEVESQUE returns to the interview room, LANDRY also enters the room and changes the chairs once more then they both leave the room 2:59:04 3:21:00 LEVESQUE enters the interview room. 3:21:09 LEVESQUE leaves again. 3:21:21 LEVESQUE stands at the entrance of the door then comes into the room 3:21:21 waiting for BOURQUE to be brought into the interview room. LEVESQUE:
Justin!
BOURQUE:
Good day
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JR, Have a seat, you want some water?
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Uh I just had some thanks. You just had some?
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BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
DEVEAU:
you want a glass of water?
BOURQUE:
Sure, Sure, Thanks.
LEVESQUE:
Alright, Justin my name is JR LEVESQUE, you can call me JR what do people normally call you?
BOURQUE:
Justin
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Justin ok, so Justin how are you right now? How are you feeling?
BOURQUE:
Chuckles you want the honest answer, like shit.
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
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(Brings in water)
BOURQUE:
Thanks man
DEVEAU:
Let us know if you need anything JR
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay thank you.
LEVESQUE:
Justin okay again, I’m with the…you know I have been asked to come and talk to you, okay about what happened okay, and as you know, something of this magnitude you know, requires you know, special attention and um I work you know, behavioural science you know, and also these things you know...
BOURQUE:
So you’re going to find it very interesting that I’m not insane then.
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LEVESQUE:
Okay, Listen I understand that um you spoke to a lawyer okay...
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BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
How have you been treated so far?
BOURQUE:
Well, I got tortured for about ten minutes until I got in the cop car...
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
Uh you want me to give you full details?
LEVESQUE:
No, but you know I mean obviously this has stopped, obviously? So have you been treated fairly good after you were, you were actually taken into custody?
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 3:23:47 BOURQUE:
Uh yeah they have treated me good, but the swat team, even though I surrendered peacefully...
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
Tortured the hell out of me.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, But I want you to know this is not, this is not going to happen here okay. This is over ok. So I understand you spoke to a lawyer?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
So, Justin umm do you know why you are here?
BOURQUE:
Well yeah...
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
I’m being charged with uh three accounts of first degree murder two attempted.
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LEVESQUE:
Yeah Friday morning okay, okay...but can I just get your date of birth?
BOURQUE:
Yeah, November 12th 1989.
LEVESQUE:
November 12th 1989 and where were you born Justin?
BOURQUE:
Moncton.
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Moncton.
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At Saint George Dumont hospital.
LEVESQUE:
Okay and your address
BOURQUE:
Current is
LEVESQUE:
Okay, alright okay, alright okay umm Justin umm I’m here to understand what happened okay and you know I’m here to find out the truth obviously you know and um, I know that um you know umm, you were actually outside you know and now you know um you just eat something right?
BOURQUE:
A little bit.
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
As much as my jaw would let me.
LEVESQUE:
Oh yeah, okay, okay
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Okay, so um tell me umm Justin tell me a bit about you, you know cause I heard just a few things you know your sister told me a few things about you tell me more about you.
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well I grew up in a home with five sisters and a brother and uhh we were raised strict catholic and then I was home schooled for my whole life of school minus kindergarten, other than that I spent most of my life working and umm when I wasn’t working it was video games.
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BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
So you’re work, when did you start working?
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When I was...uhh jeez probably around seven or eight years old I started mowing lawns and then I got my first flyer route when I was eleven I think, then after that yeah then I held onto that until I was fourteen then what I do then I took a year off then I worked to Sobeys then I worked at Wal-Mart then I worked over at uhh the Kent distribution centre...
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
And uhh lets see then I went to Co-Op got laid off then I hung out at Rolly’s and now I’m here.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay so you have been busy actually working,
BOURQUE:
Yeah,
LEVESQUE:
You know obviously you’re not lazy you’re, you know okay perfect...
BOURQUE:
Nope.
LEVESQUE:
Now, what are any hobbies do you have?
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That’s a great country for hunting and fishing.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, now umm listen umm, tell me more about uh you know your family.
BOURQUE:
Well my mother she’s uh absolutely dogmatic when it comes to religion and uh my father, he is more relaxed umm you know definitely wisdom you know abused over there. Definitely might of felt kind of you know it too strict with all the Christianity and stuff, but eventually you know, they were just doing it because they thought they were protecting me right, but uh yeah other than that I had a pretty okay relationship with everybody in my family. Umm my sisters and I use to play video games together they, you know we get together every now and then and go to my grandparents 23
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BOURQUE:
A lot of people do.
LEVESQUE:
Yes.
BOURQUE:
Apparently.
LEVESQUE:
So tell me who’s you’re, who’s your best friend?
BOURQUE:
Mike
LEVESQUE:
Okay, and um when did you last see Mike?
BOURQUE:
Umm, (pause) I think it would have been Wednesday, at around, two.
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So you have a good, good conversation with him.
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah, well basically I was supposed to go to work but I didn’t.
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
And yeah, that was the last I saw him, we work together.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, you were supposed to work with him but you did not.
BOURQUE:
I didn’t go to work that day.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay so any reason why you did not go to work?
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LEVESQUE:
Okay
BOURQUE:
I’ve been working ouf anywhere from fourteen to sixteen hours shifts, so...
LEVESQUE:
That much?
BOURQUE:
Yup...
LEVESQUE:
They short on manpower or you wanted the extra work.
BOURQUE:
Well basically what happened is, I don’t have a car anymore and my roommate was driving me so, since he was a picker they would have him in at two or three and you know I was supposed to come in at six but I had to work the extra hours if I wanted the, the lift right and uh yeah basically I ended up I’d started working a lot of hours and um the loaders there were really hard workers so we just would be stuck there until you know six, seven or eight in the morning it was ridiculous.
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
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So would you say you were over tired? Working or?
BOURQUE:
Oh definitely, definitely.
LEVESQUE:
And you did not sleep uh...
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I didn’t sleep for about two days...
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So because of the work or because of other things?
BOURQUE:
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BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
So can you have a girlfriend?
BOURQUE:
Nope.
LEVESQUE:
Okay so, okay, alright. Now umm part of my job is you know, is actually you know dealing with people you know, that went through events you know and basically try to understand the reason why this occurred, those events okay again you know, were, were few in the country and we normally visit people when things like this happen, and I have to come and talk to you and I’m very, very interested you know in the reason behind this right, and obviously you know uh when I look at those reports made by your friends, by your family ok I see a lot of good things in you, okay, a lot of good things you know, umm you are you know like a person described as very easy going, very fun you know and umm tell me more about when, when did you leave home with your parents?
BOURQUE:
Umm, jeez I think I was twenty-one, yeah twenty-one I left because you know again, Christian house hold I wasn’t Christian anymore you know I was into heavy metal and everything and uh so I moved out bounced around for a while then, found my home at the trailer park.
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So how do you get along with your parents now?
BOURQUE:
Well they send me food every now and we still talked every now and then.
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
At least once a week..
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay it’s my understanding that you were home schooled right?
BOURQUE:
Yup.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, everybody in the family was?
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Everybody.
LEVESQUE:
Okay so, how did that go?
BOURQUE:
It developed a free mind. (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
Yeah?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so are you the older one in the family?
BOURQUE:
Nope, the third oldest.
LEVESQUE:
Third okay, and any younger sisters?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
How many?
BOURQUE:
I have three younger sisters...
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And then a little brother.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay now uh how do you get along with them?
BOURQUE:
Just fine.
LEVESQUE:
With, with all your sisters and brothers?
BOURQUE:
Yup.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, anybody in particular that you have more affection for or?
BOURQUE:
No, not really. (Chuckles)
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Okay, okay I heard that you love them too you love your family a lot.
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah.
LEVESQUE:
So you do have good values?
BOURQUE:
I’d like think so.
LEVESQUE:
Yes, ok as I said you know I saw a lot of good things in in reading the reports you know that people have supplied since, since the event you know last, last night. Umm tell me umm why would you think you know, would basically because you know, cause things to happen you know, that sometimes people you know, you know have to do, what would actually trigger those things?
BOURQUE:
Well, basically a lot of it has to do with ignorance and socialism at the same time, now do you look at the world around you look outside your window you got suicide, in this town you got like look at the suicide rates, it’s bad isn’t it, it’s pretty bad like nobody should be ...especially in this day and age nobody should just be there killing themselves right...
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But people do right.
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Do you think it’s got to do with the economy or?
BOURQUE:
Not just the economy it’s a lot to do with just like I said the socials of you know, this think this factor you know what I mean like uhh that’s why my parents didn’t public school me. (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
Because they were afraid of, of, of...
BOURQUE:
Well yeah they saw, well why didn’t you see it you know, every kid you go to see it public school, like I meet a lot of public school people and I dated a lot of public school girls and it didn’t work like 99.9% of the time and you know and that had to do with the fact that I didn’t act like you know act like other guys... (chuckles)
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LEVESQUE:
Yeah people basically use social mass you know...
BOURQUE:
Exactly! And they just it’s social engineering and you know there is bullying and just all that stuff and then...
LEVESQUE:
Yeah.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
It’s true and you know and, and it’s, it’s a societies by definition is something very strange.
BOURQUE:
Well yeah see what where they went wrong was they say well every man is equal now they want to force us to be equal by proxy rather than every man actually being equal correct.
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Cause back in the wild west every man was equal right, because if this man was five feet tall and this eight foot guy says, “hey you know what your small, you have no rights” well guess what, you’re wrong buddy. (chuckles)
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You’re a bigger target.
LEVESQUE:
That’s right, yeah.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
That’s right.
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It’s sad but that’s the national order of things unfortunately and um, so trying to cage the human beings like they are now you can see obviously the adverse effects compared to you know you know maybe like even 12, 12 centuries like you look at Scotland being brutalized to just no end what happened there right...
LEVESQUE:
Yeah well, you know further things happened in our history right?
BOURQUE:
Absolutely.
LEVESQUE:
You know it’s basically the rule of the ca...
BOURQUE:
The rule of Tyrants
LEVESQUE:
Yup, Yup that’s right, that’s right and, and you know history is full of that right...
BOURQUE:
Yup
LEVESQUE:
And, and today you know...
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We live behind the black cur, or they live behind the black curtain... Yup.
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There was the iron curtain in Russia we have the black curtains since the thirties.
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So tell me, tell me, umm what would be the perfect society to you?
BOURQUE:
Hah if, if nobody wants to hurt your family or your property, leave him alone, hah you know what I mean,
LEVESQUE:
Have the peace, peace of mind...
BOURQUE:
Absolutely, but if somebody doesn’t want to cross you, then it’s your responsibility shouldn’t it be to protect your own, not wait three minutes for a police man to come, it should be your own, shouldn’t it?
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Yup.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, yup and, and how do you perceive the inequity in your own 3:37:00 society?
BOURQUE:
Well, inequities, well basically there’s a big class for, big time like you know obviously rich people don’t hang around poor people, and umm you know it’s, it’s just sad that these rich people, self-righteous rich people just you know go around and preach you know oh yeah I’m gonna do good here and you know they don’t know the difference of doing good and feeling good...
LEVESQUE:
It, it gets frustrating you know there’s, there’s so much you know you know and
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
And sometimes you know ah will use that advantage and money you know to...
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And then they leave no future for grandchildren or children...
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BOURQUE:
Because that good old federal deficit, what’s that at now 15 billion or maybe it’s 50 billion by now.
LEVESQUE:
You know its Federal, Provincial and municipal everybody’s in deficit right.
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Oh yeah, well every time well it’s not the bank gets robbed too often but say a bank got robbed the amount you pay for the police on that is a lot more than you’re ever going to take out of the bank (chuckles) you know what I mean...
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LEVESQUE:
Absolutely.
BOURQUE:
Everybody wants to feel safe but it’s just a game, feeling good safe because there’s this big image of yeah you are safe but, when really you got fire extinguishers for you’re you know to replace your fire department when they are not there, you got your first aid kit to replace your paramedics when there not there, but in this society there’s no police around you’re on your own you know what I mean, and that’s sad for women especially you know where they’re you know there physically weaker just you know generally, not my sisters but (chuckles) yeah.
LEVESQUE:
So umm, tell me umm over the past two, three years you know in your life you know umm how could you describe your way of living, you know like uhh cause you moved out at twenty-one you said?
BOURQUE:
The day before, yeah.
LEVESQUE:
So, you have been living with Mike all along?
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BOURQUE:
Yeah and uh, Yeah Mike’s been living with me for a couple months now really four, five or six months I think.
LEVESQUE:
So Mike’s a good buddy of yours?
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah, we have been buddies for a long time too...
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
He’s like after high school.
LEVESQUE:
So what are the best qualities that person in your life, like Mike.
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LEVESQUE:
He treats his friends good.
BOURQUE:
Oh definitely.
LEVESQUE:
He likes to give more than he receives...
BOURQUE:
Oh definitely.
LEVESQUE:
He buy’s you twice as much what you give...
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah.
LEVESQUE:
He’s a keeper right?
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Okay, so umm I have heard through the, the investigation that you really like kids a lot.
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Very good with children, yes. That’s, that’s actually it’s factual throughout the whole investigation how good you are with kids and you like them, okay and umm obviously it shines you know, throughout uh you know people know that actually talk to the friends and the family you know that showed that you’re good with kids okay.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Are you okay?
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Okay, so umm tell me umm how did the past week went? Friday, Starting last Friday how did that go?
BOURQUE:
Well last Friday was pretty good, uh we went out skeet shooting ah other than that we just sat back and um you know relaxed pretty much the same with Saturday and same with Sunday, actually just sat back and watched movies.
LEVESQUE:
At the apartment, so you were not working over the past weekend?
BOURQUE:
Uh no, but I started back uh Monday, Tuesday...
LEVESQUE:
And your shift was it night shift or day shift?
BOURQUE:
Yeah, night shift.
LEVESQUE:
So what time do you start usually?
BOURQUE:
Well on Monday’s I’d start at two but the rest of the days I would start at three
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LEVESQUE:
And Wednesday?
BOURQUE:
I didn’t go into work.
LEVESQUE:
No?
BOURQUE:
No.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so Wednesday you were supposed to work Monday to Friday is it?
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Monday to Thursday okay, so Wednesday you didn’t go?
BOURQUE:
No
LEVESQUE:
And well last night obviously you did not go, okay. Okay, so umm, cause you have met your father you know Wednesday right?
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
And your father thought you were working. So, can you tell me more about that?
BOURQUE:
Well he just thought I was working and it turns out I wasn’t I guess, I just didn’t go in.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay and uhh that’s when you met Nathan, right?
BOURQUE:
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And he drove you?
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Yeah, well we went over to my place for a bit...
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Okay, and what happened, what did you guys do? Watch a movie? Did you...
BOURQUE:
Uh no...
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LEVESQUE:
Okay, did you want him to stay?
BOURQUE:
Umm yes, and no, I was pretty tired.
LEVESQUE:
Yeah, okay and cause I think, I think uh he said that he you know he drove you home too
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And I think he mentioned that you were tired, and can you tell me more about it about that?
BOURQUE:
Nothing really else to say, other than that.
LEVESQUE:
So he left?
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Okay, now umm this skeet shooting that you say you do, do you have a machine to send the skeet or, or...
BOURQUE:
Uhh no it’s just a little a launch arm yeah and it works pretty good too.
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BOURQUE:
A lot easier but um, yeah the only good thing about the hand one is the unpredictability like it challenges yeah.
LEVESQUE:
That’s right because you don’t know where it’s going to go.
BOURQUE:
Yeah exactly.
LEVESQUE:
You can actually identify the angle but there’s only so much you can do.
BOURQUE:
Yeah you can’t just fly it and not fly it takes a little time.
LEVESQUE:
Do you and your friends ever go pheasant hunting?
BOURQUE:
Yeah, actually we went out uh when was it, two years ago uh pheasant and partridge actually.
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BOURQUE:
Really? Yeah, I honestly didn’t even expend a single one because my friends were just so darn loud. (chuckles)
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Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
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BOURQUE:
That’s cool...
LEVESQUE:
You know the Remington 1100 model.
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah those are really nice.
LEVESQUE:
Yeah I bought that when I was eighteen...
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah, I had a Remington 870 that I bought when I was eighteen...
LEVESQUE:
Really.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Was it a pump action or?
BOURQUE:
Pump action yeah, so were Remington fella’s right on.
LEVESQUE:
Well actually I have a Browning too...
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BOURQUE:
Yeah, how does that one work?
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Well it’s, uh I have the small barrel for deer hunting as well...
BOURQUE:
Ahh okay.
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And I have the long ones for the
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For the goose and stuff
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That’s why I like my Mossberg you don’t have to compensate it on top so you know the gash presses down every time you fire...
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
It’s nice yup.
LEVESQUE:
Those guns are well balanced too.
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah they never jam on, you can put a shell in there and it’s coming out, that’s what I liked about it...
LEVESQUE:
Yeah no I, I like hunting too uh, I also have a 300 magnum.
BOURQUE:
I’m surprised you still have shoulders there my friend. (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
So what do you have for riffles?
BOURQUE:
I have a 308 and M305 it’s like a mock-up’s M14 and then a Mossberg
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so wow you have quite the guns too...
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Uh yeah, sold the rest of them.
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So when did you umm when did you start having guns, sixteen is it? Sixteen?
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Uh eighteen.
LEVESQUE:
Ah eighteen yeah ok. Alright ok, so um, so did you go deer hunting moose hunting, did you, did, did...
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Uh yeah we did a bit of that, mos, mostly rabbit and for some reason I got really lucky with crow, like everybody always tells me how hard they are to hunt, but every time I ever went out there at sunset you know there was always plenty of crows just zipping out.
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Yeah, no limit on them either, I know why. There’s so many of them in this damn city.
LEVESQUE:
Yeah they’re good to wake you up in the morning at four.
BOURQUE:
(chuckles) yup, yup maaa yup. (making a crow sound)
LEVESQUE:
So umm, so Justin um, as you know I mean there’s a lot of people working on this right, there are over 300 police officers you know...
BOURQUE:
Yup.
LEVESQUE:
I don’t know if you have had a chance to listen to the news, uh since this happened.
BOURQUE:
No I haven’t.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so you didn’t have any cell phone to listen to the news or, or to look at the web, okay?
BOURQUE:
Low tech man.
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Which is not such a good thing...
BOURQUE:
No. (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
Right, because people stop talking...
BOURQUE:
Yeah, it’s just the disconnect.
LEVESQUE:
Down right, you know they don’t, they don’t talk you know, they are texting you know and they are sitting you know like we are at the restaurant and texting each other.
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Too busy to look off their screen and out the window.
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It’s, it’s, it’s uh it’s a habit that it’s hard to get off they get hooked early on in their life and they keep it you know...
BOURQUE:
I remember having a cell phone and I can tell you yup. (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
Ah you have one too?
BOURQUE:
Yup I did for a while.
LEVESQUE:
Did you have an iPhone?
BOURQUE:
Uh no, it was just a regular old brick with a keyboard on it.
LEVESQUE:
Cause you know now with the iPhone, they don’t use computer anymore you know...
BOURQUE:
Absolutely they got YouTube on their it’s retarded.
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It’s a computer, yeah.
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Yeah so umm yeah, as I said you know there’s a lot of things that are actually you know I mean they are talking to people you know
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Okay.
LEVESQUE:
A lot of photo’s have been taken you know, I mean there’s a lot of eye whiteness to that, that actually observed everything um, there’s like you know a ballistic you know everything is being done, you know
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 3:48:17 LEVESQUE:
There’s tons of evidence you know I mean umm there actively, everything is uh unfolding as we speak you know very fast now okay, umm and you know me as a, as a science behavioural or behavioural science you know or personnel, I like to go further down you know and try to understand the reasons you know, why things like this happen you know, what would bring somebody to, to basically have enough you know cause there is always an answer behind this right.
BOURQUE:
Hook and mouth syndrome is what I imagine.
LEVESQUE:
What’s that?
BOURQUE:
I’d say it would be the hook and mouth syndrome I’d imagine, you know the fact that you’re just a fish along for the ride whether you like it or not, you know you got a hook stuck in your mouth wherever you’re going.
LEVESQUE:
Yeah okay, tell me more about it.
BOURQUE:
Well uhh, you really don’t get freedom of speech in this country, you don’t and uh well there’s just seems to be very limited personal freedom compared to what it really should be like, I’m sure you would completely disagree with all the drug policy as just some bullshit macho Oron you know, other peoples frigg’n problems (chuckles) if there not hurting anybody then what’s the problem right, like I don’t do drugs myself but I don’t judge anybody who does drugs you know what I mean.
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But you know I mean they, they came down you know a full stairway you know from twenty years ago you know, because as you know a lot of people can, you know actually you know legally can actually consume marijuana...
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah.
LEVESQUE:
As a prescription and you know there’s talks about...
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To an extent , to an extent really, logic and common sense just doesn’t show its face, in any political bully anywhere more often than not, anyway if there’s a logical law it’s, it’s one very few, you know what I mean like uh I just can’t see a lot of logic to many laws to be honest. Every time they say oh there should be a law against that, there ought not to be you know what I mean you’re just creating a paper trail, you’re wasting the economy time and money people’s lives get ruined you know.
LEVESQUE:
Absolutely, you know it’s but and, and you know like societies is as we said society it’s not perfect there’s a lot of things that actually strange and times and habits and, and electronics you know change the world we live in right?
BOURQUE:
Yeah hopefully that will change soon though, if the...
LEVESQUE:
What’s that?
BOURQUE:
I said hopefully that will change soon, if the Russians have anything to say about it.
LEVESQUE:
Why would they?
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Well you know you don’t know what’s going on in Ukraine...
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Okay well, China just deployed their navy too so.
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So are you following that a lot?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
So what do you think about Ukraine and Russia and, and china and the whole conflict?
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 3:51:20 Well I think it’s stupid but you know these people all also don’t realize that they’ve got some people playing their puppet strings and you know, people are going to have to realize, organize a war like that and you have some necessary evil, but it would be a lot less necessary if it was already you know, just the regulation from oh this person raped my daughter well, yeah you know my daughter shot the rapist instead would have been a better scenario don’t you think? at least I think but I’m weird I guess, and um yeah it’s just uh no logic or real reason to the laws it’s like I said, more feel good than do good.
LEVESQUE:
Would you like more water?
BOURQUE:
Absolutely (chuckles) he chocked me pretty good that guy.
LEVESQUE:
Did he?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Umm guard can you ask Cpl. DEVEAU to bring some water.
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Some water yeah.
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Yes please (talking to the guard), (talking to Justin) yeah so umm you’re umm thirsty a lot, so you have been without water and food did you have any food today besides what you just eat in the uhh...
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That’s it?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
So you didn’t have any ration food with you or anything like umm...
BOURQUE:
I had a couple rations.
LEVESQUE:
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Yeah, so like some Ritz crackers and some granola bars like I said and umm...
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
As for water I just had a uh, pop bottle.
LEVESQUE:
Tell me about your day today, I mean how did you spend the day? I mean did you stay in the woods or it was raining tonight very hard so were you under a tree or uh?
BOURQUE:
I was under a tree and I had a space blanket actually.
LEVESQUE:
Okay that you had taken with you?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
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Thanks man.
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No problem.
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So did you have any water?
BOURQUE:
Umm yeah I was taking it from a hose.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, cause water is a as you know...
BOURQUE:
Every day we need it.
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
No question.
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I travelled a bit just kind of scoped around.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so, so um what did you think today, what, what went through your mind today as you walked around and tried to get some water or food or...
BOURQUE:
All I can imagine is uhh you know, well obviously I got arrested so don’t get caught (chuckles) that was going through my mind.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so then you don’t get caught. Okay, so umm, not a lot of food, no water. You um you’re, you’re from the neighbourhood so you know where to go basically you were not lost in the woods were you?
BOURQUE:
Uhh No uh actually I have never been around here before.
LEVESQUE:
Oh no?
BOURQUE:
No.
LEVESQUE:
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Okay, okay so why did you end up there and not towards the place you were familiar with?
BOURQUE:
Just where the road took me I guess. Covered and concealment
LEVESQUE:
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LEVESQUE:
So that’s why you know I mean the cases I have seen you know about thirty cases that, that, that I have studied so far umm so um so last night was it cold it wasn’t too cold was it last night?
BOURQUE:
Noo
LEVESQUE:
So you you were not cold at all?
BOURQUE:
No, umm the only thing that ever bothered me was the mosquitoes.
LEVESQUE:
Well obviously they’re out
BOURQUE:
Yeah (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
So you didn’t have any spray bug?
BOURQUE:
Nope, but after that I put some mud on there and it seemed to stop em temporarily.
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Right, I mean if you had planned this you would to go in the wood you would have some, some, some dope for mosquito’s right?
BOURQUE:
Yeah, you’d think eh!
LEVESQUE:
So, umm, okay, so, so did you see anybody today?
BOURQUE:
Nope.
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Well I had a pack of like, uh its uh 6 Ritz cheese sandwiches crackers and uh
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
Had that and then half a granola bar.
LEVESQUE:
And before that?
BOURQUE:
Uhh I had two granola bars and uh…
LEVESQUE:
Yesterday?
BOURQUE:
Yup, that was it.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so let’s go back to Wednesday when was your last mean Wednesday cause you went to your fathers, did you eat there?
BOURQUE:
Uhh yeah I eat a granola bar there as well (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
Yeah, usually I eat about uhh I don’t know about two or three pounds of meat a day.
LEVESQUE:
Really, hamburger or?
BOURQUE:
No mostly just pork
LEVESQUE:
Pork?
BOURQUE:
Or chicken, yup, they say it’s not healthy for you but I just burn it off.
LEVESQUE:
In the oven?
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 3:56:59 Yeah, I put it in for a couple hours actually I wait until it’s tender.
LEVESQUE:
With garlic?
BOURQUE:
Well actually uh what I do is I put onion and garlic powder and then I got some uh Montreal pump spice, put it in or I actually forgot one detail the maple barbecue sauce the Sobeys stuff uhh its bliss, just dump the whole bottle it in the pot and just let it sit in there for about 12 hours at put the oven at 175 and just gradually crank it as every 3 hours goes by, and you’ll have the most tender pork you have ever eaten in your entire life.
LEVESQUE:
Tell me what is your mother’s best dish?
BOURQUE:
That’s a tough one to decide there , see I like my own cooking (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
Oh yeah?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
So you’re a good cook?
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So, is your mother a better cook than your father?
BOURQUE:
Definitely!
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
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LEVESQUE:
So if you had the chance to talk to your mother, what would you tell her?
BOURQUE:
That’s a good question. That’s a very good question. I think I would have to be something right in the moment to see how she reacts and what she says.
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Oh I’d imagine.
LEVESQUE:
And they were worried for you a lot, okay so uh I mean it, it stands out there, you know I mean the love they have for you is unconditional, okay
BOURQUE:
Mmm
LEVESQUE:
So are you’re brothers and sisters right, and, and can’t forget to your friends that really you know care for you as much, you know Nathan and Mike and those guy’s there very, you know I can tell they are really like good friends of yours, they care for you.
BOURQUE:
Mmm
LEVESQUE:
So umm Justin, if I bring you back to Wednesday okay, umm after the event okay you went in the woods okay where did you actually go?
BOURQUE:
That’s a good question once again.
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No.
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I’m just, I don’t know what it is but I’ve got like this sixth Godzilla sense or something I can just always find the right place at the right time I don’t know what it is.
LEVESQUE:
Do you have a campus head
BOURQUE:
Yeah,
LEVESQUE:
And GPS right there
BOURQUE:
Yeah I guess so.
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So you went where you wanted to go?
BOURQUE:
Yup
LEVESQUE:
Did you see other people after, everything was was done?
BOURQUE:
Uhh, I don’t think I saw anybody else, no.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, did you meet any civilians?
BOURQUE:
Uhh, no.
LEVESQUE:
Did you talk to any civilian?
BOURQUE:
Uhh no.
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
Not that I can remember.
LEVESQUE:
Did you know there’s there’s a lot of people you know sighted you you know they’ve seen you here and there, so did you notice when or actually photographing you or filming you or
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No I was kinda focused on other things.
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BOURQUE:
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LEVESQUE:
I understand that okay so, so you never noticed people taking photos of you or uh because it was all over the news that’s why you know I I was asking you if you had seen them you know okay, so um there’s a lot of work being done right now people have been…
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 4:00:24 So is there actually a picture of me in the paper?
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BOURQUE:
Hmm
LEVESQUE:
You really got a lot of attention, and umm and and those those pictures you know I mean uh made the whole country okay um, again you know when you umm you know you got all the attention you know that there was…
BOURQUE:
Well I thought there was a news camera over there, hmm.
LEVESQUE:
Oh yeah.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Okay well uhh I I came in after you so uh yeah they were still there, you know okay, so uh…
BOURQUE:
They were filming me on the way in.
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Okay, well it’s not the first time they filmed you since since the beginning of this of this event okay uhh there’s other video’s from people and and you people have video’s know the cell phone has good quality camera’s
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah.
LEVESQUE:
and from inside houses you know people were filming the actual event,
BOURQUE:
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 4:01:28 LEVESQUE:
Okay so um you know that’s why it’s been on the news you know and on Youtube and as you know social media is so quick
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Like a ball of fire
LEVESQUE:
It’s so quick I mean it’s unbelievable
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
And I mean there is no privacy anymore
BOURQUE:
No (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
No really it’s hard to get privacy in your own home.
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
Cause you know cause those videos are everywhere you know with the internet it’s a wide opening in seconds you know what happened to Russia or china if you want to.
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Okay so umm again you know like uh as I told before you know, I’m uh I’m quite interested you know in knowing you know like you know understanding the reason why, you know this whole thing unfolded okay umm to your knowledge
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What caused that
BOURQUE:
Alright, man to man right here, now you know I’m sure you heard of William Wallace and all them before well we need one, I was hoping maybe I could you know what I mean there’s needed there’s been need for an uprise for a long time a long time and any intellectual person could tell you that our government is just corrupt and when they need to pay that deficit and China comes for what they owe who do you think they are 53
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Because you know like that you know like 30 hours ago you made a statement right by your actions made a statement okay so what is it clearly you you want to say?
BOURQUE:
Well grow some balls boys, you’re gonna need em (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
Because there there are civilians that spoke to you okay that is why I was asking you if you remember cause you talked to them you know, and you were quite kind to them
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
That’s why you know you have government officials you know and you have civilians, what differences do you make in between the the two groups?
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Well one is no different than British soldier captivating the Scottish and Irish or a German soldier capturing you know somebody dragging them out of their home just because they want certain ideology you know what I mean? And when you’re living in a world that is supposed to be free or whatever the pretence that you’re supposed to be free well then you might actually decide to think free and then, there goes your life.
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Okay so, when you left your house Wednesday. Okay can you walk me through you know what happened and and how it got there, cause Nathan left right?
BOURQUE:
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LEVESQUE:
So what happened from there?
BOURQUE:
Sat around the house, think long and hard believe me, and the rest is
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Well it is history and that’s why you know umm I I think now it’s important to understand exactly you know why it happened and the reason behind this so so you know we can we can understand and people can understand you know why it happened.
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Just a guy that has never, ever let anybody tell him what to think and I always think that I have had a pretty good moral compass and it very very very big distaste for injustice and even after the way I was treated today you know what I mean like the other police officers they were pretty nice but the torture I endured from those other police officers like I don’t think a Russian spetsnaz operator couldn’t have done any worse.
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
And it’s, it’s just proves my point even more you know what I mean it’s a police state.
LEVESQUE:
So, if you forget about you know that what you just described you know with those police officers, how would you describe the injustice that you’re actually seeing?
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It’s obscene that’s all I can say man, that’s all I can say. I have had friends you know I grew up in a neighbourhood you know mostly old people but next door neighbours they would visit their grandmother and uh well anyways my friend Eric LePage he hung himself, you know what I mean and I have seen a lot of friends just go to drugs just because (chuckles) what else is there to do right, like I’m gonna admit to you right now I have smoked marijuana but obviously that’s not the reason for anything that’s probably what’s kept me from snapping you know what I mean
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Yeah, definitely
LEVESQUE:
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Before no?
BOURQUE:
No, I had
LEVESQUE:
Did you take any drugs before?
BOURQUE:
No, I was completely sober
LEVESQUE:
So you dress up and you were supposed to go to bed according to Nathan and but you dress up and you leave, you leave the
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
your house, tell me more about it
BOURQUE:
Well I walked down the forest path and (pause) I’m just thinking whether I should really well I guess why not uhh anyways I was in the woods and uh an officer pulled out a gun on me so
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Was he on foot was he…
BOURQUE:
He was on foot
LEVESQUE:
Then what happened?
BOURQUE:
I took off again this time I went to a subdivision looking for a forest uh I got cut off from behind took one out, then I went forward again another guy came over he didn’t quite notice me but then he did yeah I kinda thought he was a civilian so I wasn’t gonna do anything he was an undercover anyways he turned around and fired I fired back he got hit.
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After that I was about to get cut off on Hildegard so I went down with suppressive fire had to stop thought because there were uh civilians in the way so I took off
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
And then I uh lived like a snake for the last couple days.
LEVESQUE:
Do you know Justin uh how many people were shot?
BOURQUE:
Three
LEVESQUE:
Are you sure of that?
BOURQUE:
Positive that’s what they told me anyways.
LEVESQUE:
Well, okay well you know that that there’s three dead,
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
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Okay so I want you to think back okay cause I don’t want to give you the answer I want you to think back on top of your memory if you there’s there’s some ways you can actually achieve that you know cause think back cause this from from from the beginning of this and the end of this how long did that take did that take?
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Well I’d say about three or four hours maybe,
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From the first shot you took until the last one?
BOURQUE:
Nah that can’t be right, no maybe an hour at best cause I remember he sun didn’t set yet.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay so each so so if we can bring back to the first one was he alone the first officer
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Uh him not sure I think he was
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Okay, alright so you were quicker than him so where did you hit him?
BOURQUE:
Well my sights are kinda funny cause their built for a 100 yards plus so right about here
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
I think, he was running to so I was kind of
LEVESQUE:
Okay So he was on the move?
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah he was gonna try’n take me down I guess but I don’t know what he was thinking obviously not very combat suave guy umm yup, I think I was three shots that landed on em
LEVESQUE:
Okay, and did you see him falling?
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And then from that point what, what went on after that?
BOURQUE:
Well I crawled through the forest a little bit and then cut into a neighbourhood on Hildegard and then that’s when all the rest of it unfolded until I ran into the woods.
LEVESQUE:
Can you can you tell me more about the rest of it in details?
BOURQUE:
Oh, okay well the
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
Okay, well I kept running anyways and uh an SUV pulled up from behind
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 me like I said and uhh anyways I turned around and again just, (chuckles) I don’t know where they get these guys umm I just uh what was it like two or three shots anyways just to the window obviously it would go through because it was the 308 and uh then the next guy was the 5 4:11:42 LEVESQUE:
If if we went back to the that that SUV the suburban how many people in there?
BOURQUE:
Just the one guy.
LEVESQUE:
Okay how far was he from you?
BOURQUE:
I’d say about I don’t know 50 to70 yards
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so how many shots did you take on that vehicle?
BOURQUE:
2 or 3.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, and did you did you touch him the first shot or?
BOURQUE:
I’m pretty sure I tagged him the first I just kind of double tapped
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Okay, then?
BOURQUE:
Well that’s about when I uh cut through somebody’s backyard and that undercover cop was on the front just standing there and uh I don’t know he had his gun half ready but not ready enough so uh yeah he saw me and I think like fired two shots and then after that I tagged him but I think I hit him in the neck and then he let off a couple shots after that but anyways I went around and flanked to see if he was still alive and he wasn’t.
LEVESQUE:
So we have the first officer that went down okay that you took three shots in the chest the one in the suburban okay you took two, three shots and the one undercover okay under the guard. At that point had anybody shot at
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I had been shot at a couple times
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BOURQUE:
Well that uh guard on Hildegard
LEVESQUE:
Okay the third one?
BOURQUE:
Yeah the third one and the other one was about to.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, how far were you from that vehicle the the undercover?
BOURQUE:
Oh pretty close like shit maybe 20 feet.
LEVESQUE:
20 feet?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
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And he was, on his, you were on his passenger side
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If I understood correctly, were you straight across or were you diagonal or?
BOURQUE:
Pretty much straight across.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, was his window uh down or up?
BOURQUE:
I made it down (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
So you broke it?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
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That’s when I uh scurried towards the forest uh to live and fight another day I guess.
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Okay, umm so you, you just told me you shot at three people okay are you sure it was only three?
BOURQUE:
Well like I said they were the only ones that I shot suppressive fire at up on the street there were two cop cars but
LEVESQUE:
Okay, you shot towards the cop car
BOURQUE:
Yup.
LEVESQUE:
Do you know if you if you hit anybody in in those vehicles, how how many officers did you see in those those cars?
BOURQUE:
Just two.
LEVESQUE:
Two, do you know if you if you hit them?
BOURQUE:
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Okay, why why do you say you didn’t?
BOURQUE:
Well they were still moving around and uh yeah they just, I just didn’t see any blood trail or anything it was quite far away but I’m sure I would have still seen something.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, and then you said you crawled in the woods, so so those those two cops that you shot at that you don’t think you hit, were are they in that in that whole event? Are they between the suburban and the
BOURQUE:
Yeah, actually yeah.
LEVESQUE:
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Okay, so from the first officer you shot and the time you went in the woods how long did that take?
BOURQUE:
Like I said probably about an hour to two hours maybe less.
LEVESQUE:
Okay how many shots did you fire?
BOURQUE:
Well I had a 20 round magazine uh went through about at least 13 rounds and uh then I popped a fresh clip in might of wasted five off of that and uh yeah, that would be all the ammo expended.
LEVESQUE:
So all together how many would that be?
BOURQUE:
Uhh let’s see like thir.. maybe 18 rounds fired.
LEVESQUE:
And how many would you have in total?
BOURQUE:
Oh, maybe 80
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So when did you purchase those?
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Oh I had a bunch of it sitting around just for a while.
LEVESQUE:
So when was the last time you purchased any ammunition?
BOURQUE:
Uhhh (pause) that would have been probably last November yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, you sure you didn’t buy any in the past month?
BOURQUE:
Absolutely.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay so so then you craw in the woods like you say to survive
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Well honestly I know this is gonna sound really messed up but I actually felt really accomplished I know you probably think that’s really sick but umm you know it’s just when you see what’s happened through the centuries and you know just compare what happened here you know it’s just, it’s sad they might have had wife and kids but every soldier has a wife and kids right and It’s all about who’s side you chose and uh they chose they wrong one.
LEVESQUE:
Tell me, some civilians were actually afraid outside does that bring back any memories?
BOURQUE:
Yeah I, I told them not to worry about me though. I can remember saying that, I screamed out I’m not hurting civilians.
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay so at that point you know you’re your mind set what you don’t you don’t want to hurt civilians?
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Okay so, if I understand correctly is it government officials or is it if it police officers or?
BOURQUE:
Well there all in the same basket really there just the soldiers you know protecting the rich from the poor.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so your , I’m trying to understand you know again the reason behind this okay that really lead to that
BOURQUE:
Well just think William Wallace who stood up to the tyrants uhh I don’t know who else I can use as a good example cause every other rebellion has just been crooked. (chuckles) Uh yeah I guess that would be about it I just say that sometimes you gotta admit it’s not sexy it’s not fun it’s not you
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Because you know I mean a lot of people will say that Canada is, is the best country for freedom…
BOURQUE:
It’s a socialist nation very very socialist but yeah these are the people that don’t ask question and the people that like to hear the same songs on the radio every day you know what I mean like
LEVESQUE:
Mmhmm
BOURQUE:
And that’s what it is and I’ll be damned if it doesn’t feel like maybe the government doesn’t have a bit of a hand in that we can’t really say if so or not right concrete evidence right, but ever since the black curtain been their there’s just been this huge social decline and more disconnect and when you think people use to carry firearms and you know 8 inch knives and would still say “hey good” day you know and then you compare it to now somebody wouldn’t even look you in the face you know if you, you say “hey good day”, they just turn around and walk away.
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So, if anybody had approached you at I mean anytime yesterday okay I mean in daylight any police officer approached you what would you have done?
BOURQUE:
Well depending on what my number or how badly outnumbered I was I would taken more down and uh yeah just kept going from there.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, umm you know that walking in the you know streets with guns you know would attract attention
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4:20:40 LEVESQUE:
Right? so you knew I assume you knew people were gonna call for the police
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
Is that what you were expecting you know them to come?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Deep inside?
BOURQUE:
Yeah well really when I was initially gonna do is set some gas station on fire but uh I decided my bicycle was broken so I couldn’t get there fast enough to do any real damage so I just kinda winged it from there I guess.
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So that was your plan was to set to set, now when did you actually enclench this plan? You know I mean cause you have been worried and didn’t sleep for the past few days and uh I understand you know things were not.
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What do you think the governments don’t try to do anything about it?
BOURQUE:
No the oil companies keep paying them off and
LEVESQUE:
It’s true I mean oil companies are big they control the government right.
BOURQUE:
Exactly they controlled the proxy and now were here
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Now do you think that umm you could if you have the power to bring back times were bringing you back to your fathers on Wednesday would you change anything?
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Uh no all except for the fact that I would have bought some water (chuckles)
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Okay
BOURQUE:
Yeah
LEVESQUE:
Okay so you you wouldn’t change anything okay now do you think Justin there were things you could have done differently to make your point?
BOURQUE:
Believe me I’ve tried debating with people uh, ouf you know you can never get any of these words in the media anywhere, no matter what they just shut you up right away uh I tried heavy metal but I could never find a good band mate you know what I mean.
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Mm friend mike played base but you know base player and a guitar player don’t make a good band
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BOURQUE:
Alright I mean I was in a bit of debt like I owed some money for my car and uh I don’t know I owed a bit for my cell phone but I was all about to make that back here real quick.
LEVESQUE:
Mmhmm so umm you have been using guns you know for a while and um what I understand you you have a pretty good shot so uh you did did you have any scope on your rifle?
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Nope, just iron sights
LEVESQUE:
That’s that’s pretty impressive.
BOURQUE:
Yeah (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
Uh and that was semi-automatic was it?
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm I was going to make it full auto but it was going to waste ammo
LEVESQUE:
Oh you could have done it?
BOURQUE:
Just with a twist tie actually.
LEVESQUE:
Okay so you knew how to do it?
BOURQUE:
Yeah I know a lot of things surprisingly.
LEVESQUE:
So you knew well well where where did you get all that wealth of knowledge?
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Do you have a computer at home?
BOURQUE:
I use to but…
LEVESQUE:
Did you research it on the computer?
BOURQUE:
Uhh well yeah I did a bit of research but nobody would ever tell you about the twist just tie because there a select lever that goes on to the M14 that’s basically what I had and uh once it gets propped up it releases the other trigger mechanism therefore it will keep recycling right so long that the trigger is pulled down…
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Okay, now you went to your father’s Wednesday and you used the
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Can you tell me what you did on the computer?
BOURQUE:
Oh I just went on Facebook and the job bank and yeah that was it.
LEVESQUE:
What did you do on Facebook did you post anything did you?
BOURQUE:
Uhh I posted some lyrics that was it.
LEVESQUE:
There there is uhh what is?
BOURQUE:
Hook and Mouth by Megadeth.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, and that was at that point you knew what you were about to do I I understand if I read this correctly?
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So you chose not to go to work so today I’m not going to work I’m going to actions.
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay so when you left the house when you were fully dressed okay and you got your gear on and you left the house did you have any number in mind?
BOURQUE:
Any number.
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Any numbers of officers or official governments you know or government officials or did you know how
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Or how many you know were going to come at you or what your plan was or or or
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Well I have been stopped by the cops quite a bit so I knew that probably be a three car you know blockade everywhere but I I I’m surprised I ran into very little resistance like there wasn’t more than two or three cars at a time like I was expecting four or five at some point just because of the magnitude of what you know.
LEVESQUE:
So cause cause you know like five friends other people that have spoke to went you know in the woods and sat there you know like try to ambush people did you have that thought that thoughts at some time? Did you do that…
BOURQUE:
Oh you mean…
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You know waiting in the woods cause you know with with your sight
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah yeah
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Oh yeah I think that’s why they didn’t want to go in (chuckles)
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Didn’t didn’t want to go in the woods?
BOURQUE:
None of them stepped foot in the woods and then the SWAT team was caught me there
LEVESQUE:
Tonight?
BOURQUE:
Yeah
LEVESQUE:
So you think that’s why you they did not approach you during daylight?
BOURQUE:
Daylight/nighttimes they just didn’t want to get anywhere near me
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Like I’m pretty sure the chopper had me a couple times but I don’t think they have info red or night vision do they?
LEVESQUE:
I’m surprised well did you think about shooting at the chopper
BOURQUE:
No
LEVESQUE:
Were they too high?
BOURQUE:
Well when you think about it your bullet rejecter drops every couple yards right
LEVESQUE:
Yeah true.
BOURQUE:
So I didn’t want to waste a whole clip just trying to drown a helicopter
LEVESQUE:
Okay, okay because some people have tried that
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah and really your odds of hitting a vital component on it are pretty low I know that from you know the Kailis use helicopter you ever heard of it you know the killer egg it’s like that rounded bubble helicopter in Vietnam with the Serbs
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It’s a tiny little thing but AK’s firing at it all the time and keeps on flying.
LEVESQUE:
Tell me do you drink alcohol?
BOURQUE:
Not anymore no, I quite a long time ago.
LEVESQUE:
When did you quite?
BOURQUE:
Well basically I just get really depressed when I’m drinking you know being home schooled you gotta imagine it was just difficult as hell keeping a girlfriend especially in this day and age but yeah until I until I uh you
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So when was the last time any or what type of illegal drugs would you consume?
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Legal?
LEVESQUE:
Illegal.
BOURQUE:
Oh Illegal, just marijuana.
LEVESQUE:
Any prescription pills of any kind.
BOURQUE:
No, no.
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BOURQUE:
Uhh, I snorted cocaine when I was younger but, never really got into that, I tried it and I was like really this is what everyone’s fussing about. (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
So I’m gonna I’m gonna stick to weed.
LEVESQUE:
So when was the last time you had any marijuana?
BOURQUE:
Uhh probably on the weekend.
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LEVESQUE:
Okay so there was just like a lot of people will smoke a joint instead of having a 3 couple of beers right you know.
BOURQUE:
Mmm definitely better for ya I’d say.
LEVESQUE:
Yeah and and studies they support that as well cause alcohol will affect your liver.
BOURQUE:
Yeah I think the worst it can give you is bronchitis, weed.
LEVESQUE:
Oh, okay.
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But even with that vitamin C or you’re ready to reign.
LEVESQUE:
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Oh, the Oka.
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Just because like I know I killed somebody but was that a little bit more human than grabbing me by the wind pipe then having somebody step on my balls and then have somebody else twisting me down this way and and
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
Look at the cuffs I mean.
LEVESQUE:
Yeah well.
BOURQUE:
I know you get that.
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I apologize for that because...
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That that wasn’t called for obviously
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You seem like a really good guy like you know what I mean and that’s why I’m saying it’s so sad of this whole situation
LEVESQUE:
You know what I always like want want to understand because it’s uh there’s good in a lot of people and there’s good in you
BOURQUE:
yeah there’s no one warning me
LEVESQUE:
It’s not unusual that your family showed that and that I mean they’re very supportive you know of that and so if you had your mother here what would you tell her?
BOURQUE:
Uhh I don’t know again
LEVESQUE:
And your father both of them here what would you tell them?
BOURQUE:
I don’t know honestly (chuckles) I don’t know it would just have to be a situational thing you know what I mean depending on how they react knowing them it would probably just be about God and stuff so...
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Yeah, probably a lot of eyebrow raising and mmhmm
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Okay, so umm Justin I want to bring back to to the first the first event you said you were in between houses or closer to the bush?
BOURQUE:
I was in the bush between houses
LEVESQUE:
Okay so He saw sees you and what’s going on
BOURQUE:
He said hey stop pulled his gun out I turned around ducked in the bush he tried to flank cause I was in the big tree and uh when he tried to flank I think I might have hit his body armour cause I heard an ow! And then he
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Then so how many times do you think he was hit?
BOURQUE:
Three or four.
LEVESQUE:
So how many did you shoot at him?
BOURQUE:
Four or five.
LEVESQUE:
Four or five okay. So from, from then until you opened fire at the next vehicle the suburban how long? I know it was going quickly in your head?
BOURQUE:
Uhh yeah 10-20min
LEVESQUE:
10-20 min? Anybody outside in the in?
BOURQUE:
Yeah there were a couple people there like uh
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I had just taken the guy in the suburban down
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
And uh this guy was surprisingly not afraid of me and I’m glad though cause that’s not what I was going for I’m not a fear monger you know what I mean.
LEVESQUE:
So you said you wanted to set a statement gas station on fire what was the idea behind this?
BOURQUE:
Well just think if I set three or four gas stations on fire get away with it
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And you know if more people would take that examples and you know they could actually go down just from you know that and my plan wasn’t to torch everybody inside of there I was obviously going to clear it out and uh
LEVESQUE:
Cause some people I have heard people who did that a decoy right to get attention there well they can do something else I mean
BOURQUE:
That’s part of that too
LEVESQUE:
That’s (__)
BOURQUE:
Yes
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What was the plan after the oil the the the the gas tank
BOURQUE:
Well obviously you know I’m not a bad sniper so
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BOURQUE:
Yeah I know it’s really weird probably talking to me about this (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
You know you know Justin a lot a lot of people that that you know told me they didn’t intend to be caught they didn’t want to be caught right.
BOURQUE:
Mmm, well no one does
LEVESQUE:
No one does, so so let me ask you that you know did you expect to be caught? Was that your plan?
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What games do you play? Call of duty or?
BOURQUE:
Don’t know, well I played that for a little while but uh metal gear solid was another one I liked splitter cell I think my reflects definitely came from mega man for sure
LEVESQUE:
Mega man?
BOURQUE:
Yeah, yeah exactly you you you wouldn’t think you know oh a big tough guy with guns likes little blue robot you know what I mean.
LEVESQUE:
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Mmm, I’m very well aware of this like I said it hurt me but you know I’m sure if everybody else has ever fought for freedom and killed somebody I’m felt the same thing that I did you know what I mean
LEVESQUE:
So when you talk about freedom and and that’s why I want to push a little deeper in to understand umm didn’t you feel free in Moncton doing the life you were doing?
BOURQUE:
No, no I didn’t.
LEVESQUE:
In which way?
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But there’s different taste right?
BOURQUE:
Oh oh yeah yeah but that’s what I’m talking about you don’t have that freedom here or else you get your teeth kicked in or something, like I have gotten in a fist fight just because I had long hair before, you know and uh yeah umm and and there’s just you know working in places where you got no say like I worked at Kent and just they had these things called a kaizen, alright and that’s a German and Japanese word and you know what there again the social engineering they’re trying that within work and anybody that would speak their mind there got fired in a year or no not even a year in the span of three months me and most of my friends all got fired and there was like six of us working there yeah and all just because day shift would get to talk to upper management because he was there all day and we didn’t get shit so...
LEVESQUE:
So that got you mad obviously?
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah and and you know it’s just like I said I have seen friends get arrested for you know just making uh passion (__), like you know nobody should have the right to tell anybody what they are putting in their body. If there not hurting anybody you know what I mean, like if somebody wants to get hopped up on angel dust and go rip a bunch of you know bunnies in half well yeah he’s a problem, but if somebody’s just trying to live their life and catch a buzz you know there’s nothing wrong with that and you know it’s just in general you know as a man you get no respect anymore you know you just get none, like you remember probably a time where there was such a thing as masculine but now you’re not a loud to be masculine like forget about it forget about it (chuckles) you know what I mean like
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Do you work out? You said your athletic did you do any?
BOURQUE:
Uhh yeah I use to do push-ups on my magazine on the rifle
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
It’s a really good workout
LEVESQUE:
You mean on your fist or on your hands?
BOURQUE:
Uhh no it’s uh you know how the rifle has a protrusive magazine
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Well I just hold on to the rifle and do that, that way it teaches you balance and you just work out everything.
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Umm well there was a spetsnaz operator I was seeing on YouTube there he posted a videos now and then and he was showing how you you know the ak’s were so reliable you could do push-ups on the magazine so I thought well the M14’s just as reliable so worked out.
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Okay, so umm which movie do you prefer, your best movie ever.
BOURQUE:
Beavis and Butthead do America, definitely.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so you know the the dust is falling down..
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4:38:56 Throughout this event and I guess it caused quite the commotion I mean you know you basically made history okay yesterday umm how do you feel about that?
BOURQUE:
I would be lying to you if I didn’t say I am feel kinda good but I’m not looking forward to imprisonment (chuckles) but again I kinda knew that that was also a possibility so I prepared for that, mentally.
LEVESQUE:
So what do you see coming for you?
BOURQUE:
Uhh nothing good but hopefully I’ll keep my mouth shut and that will keep me out of trouble over there yup maybe in a couple years if I behave good they will put me in a better prison.
LEVESQUE:
Have you ever been to jail?
BOURQUE:
No, but I know a few people that have.
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Well I guess not well I just heard stories about Springhill like, it’s not too bad you just mind your own business and I guess if you don’t if you don’t want to get raped don’t wipe your ass everyday that’s about all they told me.
LEVESQUE:
So I’m just coming back to those families okay again umm if you had the chance to talk to them or send them a message what would you tell them?
BOURQUE:
I apologize for the death of your husband I’m sure he may have been a good man but he decided to fight for the crown and the socialist horror that is causing pain and suffering to every person about my age and they just deny it you can tell everybody is suffering you know in this day and age
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BOURQUE:
Quite a few I mean you get a lot of people that put on this facade that they are happy but then the minute they get drunk you know and the sad song goes on they’re not happy with their lives nobody is
LEVESQUE:
So what is happiness to you? In life what is what is a happy life?
BOURQUE:
Uhh man you know what living , just get myself a log cabin you know build it myself, get a wife some kids plant a garden hunt for my own food you know I know how to build a hydroelectric generator pretty easily you know it’s just three components that spin around and cause friction that cause electric static that go through a pole and you can keep it perpetual motion going with a stream and water wheel all you would have to do is get yourself a hamster wheel and it be enough electricity to power a small LCD television probably up to like 27 inches and a Super Nintendo.
LEVESQUE:
Well Justin what tell me what prevented you from doing that?
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It’s against the law (chuckles)
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It’s against the law to build your own house on crown land or else you’re paying out the ass for it you know what I mean, it’s like should I really have to pay to take my own logs or you know wood I got friends with wood and build it there and just be left alone but you know doesn’t work that way.
LEVESQUE:
Neither society has its strength and and you know like in Romania for example the states sold everything people have nothing.
BOURQUE:
Mmm exactly
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4:42:47 BOURQUE:
Oh no and the thing is people there should have gotten smarter a long time ago but again pulled the rug over their eyes its terrible see this is what I want to prevent because it is only going to get worse from here and you should know that like it’s only going to get worse unless somebody in power decides honesty, logic and just use some fucking common sense you know what I mean like
LEVESQUE:
So Justin let me ask you what do you think your actions caused yesterday would change in this society?
BOURQUE:
Maybe people will realise that if I was able to do that by myself imagine what twenty or thirty people could do, and that’s all its gotta start I don’t want a civil war but we need one it’s like I said it’s not sexy it you know it’s not fun but I can tell you like I didn’t have fun but I felt accomplishment but I wasn’t having fun you know what I mean and obviously you’re not gonna sleep you know they have probably wife and kids and you know I know it I know what it feels like to be a father cause my younger sister growing up I use to babysit her and you know I was old enough to kinda almost be like a father to her you know I was sixteen years old and obviously I wasn’t a superbly immature child so yup.
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Probably around when I was sixteen actually just cause you know I started listening to heavy metal and the lyrics tend to contain a lot more I don’t want to say provocative but you know more down to earth you know like uh for example the last act of defiance talks about that giant prison riot that happened in the states you know and some of the lyrics are “the screams of the dying well hunt the living to the grave the only way to escape the pain is through suicide” and you know what I mean and that’s that brings in that whole question it’s like you know the first ever question ever asked a human ethics probably am I my brother’s keeper?
LEVESQUE:
Mmhmm
BOURQUE:
And nobody has a right unless somebody harms your wife and children
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So this train of thought you know about society that you you are discussing today when would you say this started to basically the sea started to grow?
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 and deliberately goes over to their place and puts you know them in harm that’s when you can take somebody down other than that yeah leave somebody alone if you want to fight for a cause that preaches this kind of behaviour then well yea you’d be my enemy you know what I mean like I know this is probably a different way of thinking completely for you but
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Well it’s it’s because as like actually you know in this country you know we have the charters of rights and freedom okay which basically say if you want to listen to heavy metal be my guest if you want to listen to classical music be my guest right
BOURQUE:
Yeah that’s my other favourite there
LEVESQUE:
No but you know it’s it’s that’s why you know Canada is in top two every year of the place to live on this planet.
BOURQUE:
Yes but then again you get new laws that are being put out all the time and there are a lot of laws like I said that just ought not to be and I have seen a lot of people affected, I lost my car for not having a safety sticker right that’s just legalized (__) right
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Very angry very angry I mean when you have done nothing morally wrong uhh what else can I say do you really deserve punishment, no.
LEVESQUE:
No but do you believe that for the well for the well-being of the whole community you know they have to have rules in place? Do you believe that?
BOURQUE:
Well the rules should be respect or else you know what I mean it’s like I was saying earlier in the Wild West you know you had a couple guys that got really good with guns they might of caused problems but a lot of that had to do with the good failed to act whenever that would happen
LEVESQUE:
Was that a better society?
BOURQUE:
I’d say because basically you wouldn’t get put in jail unless you you know
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And see its just like I said this deficit that this country is getting into it’s just gradually snowballing, snowballing, snowballing, Russia and china are getting really angry at America and you know what we would be the perfect place for an invasion for them cause when that ice shelf is all frozen up they could probably be move their I don’t know if they can move their T90’s or T80’s but they can move lighter tanks and stuff and armoured personal carriers for sure.
LEVESQUE:
So you have read a lot about that stuff did you?
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Yeah absolutely but anyways that could erupt twenty years or fifty years and believe me a global war between all these powers and without the people being able to realize that you do not need a government to tell you what to do like do you think I live my life saying well I wonder what the government wants me to do you know
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The native reserve when when five hundred years ago
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Yes they had elders
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Every community as far as you can go back had a government
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4:49:10 Yes, but now were getting to that point where we can downsize it, I’m not saying that we don’t absolutely need it we could have like you know maybe a cabinet of like twenty people but see the way it is now you got so many politicians just you know alright well were just gonna take all the money
LEVESQUE:
But but you know what I mean it’s sad that they happened but there is no no perfect society as as you know.
BOURQUE:
Not until the good act.
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Communism was no better than capitalism
BOURQUE:
No (chuckles) communism’s the worst
LEVESQUE:
So that’s why you know I mean I’m trying to…
BOURQUE:
But that’s where we’re headed its socialism is socialism right whether It’s Nazism or communism
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No socialism is well yeah that’s part of it where you know or actually no that’s communism by the technicality
LEVESQUE:
No but socialism communism is the state holds everything
BOURQUE:
Yeah
LEVESQUE:
everybody is treated the same
BOURQUE:
And then they shared the wealth like that
LEVESQUE:
So there’s nobody richer than the other, which is wrong
BOURQUE:
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In true in true because there is a lot of people that have the wealth and and
BOURQUE:
Its forced equality
LEVESQUE:
But socialism you know is everybody had access to Medicare you know health
BOURQUE:
And then again that’s uh a dead horse we’re beating right there is our health care system.
LEVESQUE:
Well you know where capitalism/ socialism in this system.
BOURQUE:
Yeah I know, but that’s what I’m talking about the capitalism has created socialism just to control you know what I mean I mean look at all the poems and books that have been rewritten you know you can hardly get any of the original stuff just a modifier behaviour
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But you know that’s that’s the beauty about society it’s always evolving changing because people have different habits different tools because
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You you talk…
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You talk about high school shootings
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Yes
LEVESQUE:
So did you follow that?
BOURQUE:
Yes
LEVESQUE:
So what did you think of those?
BOURQUE:
Well obviously the kid got pissed off and they just felt inadequate to deal
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So that was inadequate, in school? Did you think of about school?
BOURQUE:
No, no that’s the last thing I’d do
LEVESQUE:
Okay
BOURQUE:
I mean I’m just talking about these guys as in you know they just see all this stuff happening around them, they get ignored and somebody’s in pain for so long and the way people are no there like suck it, up you know especially with a guy you know it’s always suck it up you’re not human you you don’t got emotions like shit, but anyways you know it’s just a lot of that too a lot of the just ignorant of people who have it there’s this big I don’t want to hear it you know and that’s another big problem it’s like (chuckles) you don’t want to hear about it but you know what someday you might actually be glad you did hear about it,
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So you know uhh I’m just getting back to those families you know uh you told me you would like to tell them you know something do you mind if we put it on paper so we can bring that to them so they can maybe heal you know?
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You don’t mind that?
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I’d absolutely do that
LEVESQUE:
So I’m gonna ask for some paper you know so uhh you can you know write what you want to those families because obviously there you know I mean there in pain okay
BOURQUE:
Oh I know, like I said I can picture pain I can know what pain is it’s just the pain that I have caused these families is far outweighed by just like I said I have lived around places where you know there’s you just you can see what this society produces and you know what you think ohh the middle class is the biggest class well yeah the middle class that goes a lot of places and it can change pretty quick for somebody right. 86
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So, so tell me because I I I hear how the frustration you have towards government or inequity or you know so what would you say is the main component of that frustration?
BOURQUE:
Well it’s just you know you see a lot of people it’s just uhh I am all for equality and like racially and whatever sexual equality you know but the way they just try to indoctrinate everything you know what I mean like you should be able to decide for yourself, what you want to do rather than everybody around you trying to indoctrinate everything to you, you know what I mean and and that’s why my parents didn’t put me in public school because you look at all the kids it’s just indoctrination and indoctrination and indoctrination and you know it’s just not a healthy way of thinking when you’d never developed any free conscience thought for yourself you know.
LEVESQUE:
Because some people will say thought to the contrary you know being exposed to all this and then you are very good to make proper decisions you know as far as you know uh fairness inequity in in in society and governments and
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Yeah well that will never it’s like I said that will never be fixed until people realise that we need to take more power into our hands, like a lot of this has to do with Christi or Christians or you know it’s like they never wanted to be around money and power so there’s a lot of poor Christian families and you know Christian descended families and you know, that’s because they refuse to touch money and lot of them thought that if they picked up a gun they would go straight to hell so you know it’s it’s just the way it got and then everyone was sinning but they didn’t want to admit that they were sinning so there was disconnect again and that’s why society wasn’t perfect in the wild west and like you were saying your right there hasn’t been a perfect society but we are reaching the potential we just need to realise that these people that aren’t powerful will not let society reach its full potential the oil companies have bought so many patents for so many fuel sources that I actually work and are cheaper but
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4:55:35 And that’s where we need to downsize definitely I mean it uh it has to happen sooner than later because just think our rights for firearms get taken away more and more
LEVESQUE:
But in the end you know like everything is said and done okay
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LEVESQUE:
Do you expect any changes to come from your actions?
BOURQUE:
Well maybe some people will wake up and see that this can happen here, you know what I mean a lot of people just go through their lives assuming that nothing can happen, you know like a girl got help up a couple days ago my friends girlfriend she got held up at knife point and you know her boyfriend was like ahh too bad you weren’t there huh cause obviously I would have taken care of it one way or the other, and uh I mean I was this society does not allow for that kind of you know action when its needed, is a morally bankrupt unethical just absolutely frigg’n disgusting bloated fedzilla that needs to be stopped, you know what I mean I mean it your just going to get more people doing drugs more people committing suicide as you know the one or two free people out of free minded people out of the hundreds or thousands you know...
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Tragic kid, tragic news.
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
And I think I think it would be a lot less tragic if there was less disconnect and a lot of parents expect to raise their children with TVs as well another big problem with society I guess but that’s something you can’t stop there then we would have to make TV against the law and I mean to me that’s against everything I believe in. If you want to be a couch potato then that’s fine with me
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So Justin you’re twenty four right?
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
You know like I’m fifty, four years ago, you know there was school, there was church, and there was home those three components you know how would you or how would you perceive the society was forty years ago? Having said that.
BOURQUE:
Well you get a lot of people that would be afraid to speak their mind or tell the truth just because Christianity hinders the truth and everybody very well knows they have and always will and again its just breads more ignorance more disconnect...
LEVESQUE:
So I mean…
BOURQUE:
In certain aspects
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What do you believe in as as a religion do you believe in anything?
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A lot of people that are like that too
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I have been studying it for like I was big into dinosaurs seeing all the fossil records you know it’s irrefutable that evolution is real, like irrefutable I don’t care what anybody says but evolution definitely happened or else you wouldn’t have you know eoraptor, allosaurus daspletosaurus and eventually tyrannosaurus down the line right? Do they look similar yeah some have mutated teeth that grew longer bigger sculls but clearly evolutionary kinda just threw the whole religion out the window
LEVESQUE:
Yup some science support that.
BOURQUE:
Yup.
LEVESQUE:
So so what do you think of Christianity you know basically you know it it
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Yup very powerful worst than actually what am I say they are worse than the oil companies like look at the atrocities that they did in south America and just throughout history you know it’s the church has done some horrible stuff
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BOURQUE:
Yup and then they just try and sweep it under the rug and the fact that they charge you money or they want to have you know you don’t have to pay but they make you feel guilty when you’re in church you know what I mean
LEVESQUE:
Yeah and and you know what I mean other times like you know 800 years ago like 500 years ago it was a different society right?
BOURQUE:
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LEVESQUE:
And the government of society is supposed to make it better for every human being and (__)
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But Justin do you understand that walking with guns you know like like in camouflage you know in the streets will attract attention and for people to feel you know in jeopardy you know they are normally going to call the cops
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I’m not blinded by that I know how people think like really
LEVESQUE:
So that’s why you know I asked you earlier and you kind of support that That you know you were hoping that they would come
BOURQUE:
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BOURQUE:
Yeah.
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And and you know basically they they did show up right but you you said you were expecting more more vehicles.
BOURQUE:
Yeah definitely.
LEVESQUE:
So were you surprised it was just three four cars and that’s it?
BOURQUE:
Yeah I really was especially at that end I mean.
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I’ll get some water okay just a minute
BOURQUE:
Okay
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Hey
BOURQUE:
Hey
DEVEAU:
Long night?
BOURQUE:
Morning.
DEVEAU:
Or morning actually.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
DEVEAU:
He’ll just be a minute.
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah, kinda getting tired of talking anyways.
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Yeah, he got you talking.
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Yeah, well my throat just hurts though.
DEVEAU:
Yeah from squeezing or falling.
BOURQUE:
Yeah well what the guy did was he took me by the throat and he’s like “yeah I guess it feels good doesn’t it” as he’s squeezing then they kicked me they frigg’n one guy was just kicking dirt and water in my face and one guy was standing on my balls of all things my jaws pretty messed up too
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where were you right behind a house?
BOURQUE:
Yeah I hope I hope the people over there saw it so the neighbours were I got arrested I hope they did. Especially for how peacefully I surrendered I was being cooperative as well and they were acting as though I wasn’t and
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I don’t know I wouldn’t even know who it is.
BOURQUE:
Hmm oh yeah those are Fredericton SWAT
DEVEAU:
Oh yeah, are you the oldest in your family?
BOURQUE:
Third oldest.
DEVEAU:
What does your father do?
BOURQUE:
He’s a dental umm well he makes dentures anyways I don’t know (__)
DEVEAU:
Okay so orthodontist?
BOURQUE:
Then he’s a commissionaire by night
DEVEAU:
Okay. Where, where at?
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Watch buildings and stuff?
BOURQUE:
Yup.
DEVEAU
He works during the day and night?
BOURQUE:
Yup he has to feed almost everybody there but me so...
DEVEAU:
He doesn’t sleep much then.
BOURQUE:
Musn’t I don’t imagine because he’s gotta get up at 7 every morning to go to work sometimes he’s out there until midnight
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Yeah well what can you do in today’s society though except
DEVEAU:
Yeah you gotta work hard
BOURQUE:
Work your ass off
DEVEAU:
Right so he’s got five kids still at home?
BOURQUE:
Six actually
DEVEAU:
Six you’re six or seven
BOURQUE:
Yup
DEVEAU:
I thought it said five
BOURQUE:
But my sister Natalie should be out of the house next year though she’s getting married.
DEVEAU:
Is your fren…parent’s French or?
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BOURQUE:
Uh no he lived in Moncton his whole life but uh probably had some relatives out there.
DEVEAU:
Common name.
BOURQUE:
Yeah definitely almost as common as LEBLANC
DEVEAU:
Yup, (pause) maybe related to Raymond BOURQUE, the hockey player?
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Did he oh yeah
BOURQUE:
Yeah (pause) so are you sure there’s not a huge lump here or anything I can feel it.
DEVEAU:
Well I can see some redness
BOURQUE:
Ahh
DEVEAU:
But it doesn’t look, I see other places where you seem much more bruised than back there.
BOURQUE:
That’s just where he shoved his knee.
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DEVEAU:
Long day long night
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I hear that brother (pause) oh don’t mind the smell (chuckles)
DEVEAU:
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DEVEAU:
The same you get a GED so it give you the same.
BOURQUE:
Well I just you know thought of the old saying though you had to have gone to college to have said something that stupid, have you ever heard that expression?
DEVEAU:
Yeah you seem like a pretty intelligent fella but sometimes you just need a diploma to get your foot in the door and then.
BOURQUE:
Ohh I was going to get into video game design.
DEVEAU:
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BOURQUE:
But then I have been playing those my whole life and I see what’s happening in the industry and then I’m just like no I could have been the voice over no job around
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BOURQUE:
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DEVEAU:
Do like Justin BIEBER and just get on YouTube and get noticed and you run away with it I guess
BOURQUE:
Ouhhh , the bastards chipped a tooth too God damn it.
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(chuckles) Yeah I put some mud on there after though they tended to stay away.
DEVEAU:
Yeah honestly so, it’s just the bad time of the year because they just started to pick up.
BOURQUE:
Well I’m glad you guys are at least treating me normal though.
DEVEAU:
Yeah.
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah I need glasses and stuff like I only have one lens in cause obviously they must have beat the other one out.
DEVEAU:
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BOURQUE:
Okay.
DEVEAU:
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BOURQUE:
Oh okay.
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You got your water
BOURQUE:
Uh yup
LEVESQUE:
Alright um, uh Justin you know as I said to you a lot of things are being investigated and unfolding and there’s a few things that you know I would like to cover with you and ask you about umm Nathan, okay he’s one of your best friends as well okay umm tell me about Wednesday what you guys did together.
BOURQUE:
Well we just sat around basically after he picked me up from my folks place, then he went home.
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
BOURQUE:
Oh he drove me to better buys to get some ammo too.
LEVESQUE:
What was that?
BOURQUE:
Uh better buy
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Okay so what happened there?
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Oh I went up to the counter showed the guy my card got some shotgun shells.
LEVESQUE:
So how many?
BOURQUE:
Just ten.
LEVESQUE:
What else if anything did you purchase?
BOURQUE:
Hmm?
LEVESQUE:
What else if anything did you purchase or anything if anything?
BOURQUE:
Probably 3 a pack of 308’s I’d say
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Okay 3 pack of uh ?
BOURQUE:
They were like a140 green.
LEVESQUE:
How many shells?
BOURQUE:
20.
LEVESQUE:
20 so 60.
BOURQUE:
Yeah that’s right.
LEVESQUE:
So what time was that?
BOURQUE:
Not sure around like 7 o’clock or something 6 o’clock 6:30
LEVESQUE:
Okay so that was Wednesday? Okay, so then tell me more about you’re your day with Nathan?
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Okay, any conversation with him?
BOURQUE:
Uhh not very much. I’m trying to remember it wasn’t about much if anything it was just same useless kind of stuff.
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
uhh he’s an old friend of the family why?
LEVESQUE:
I don’t know it’s it’s obviously he’s uh in the you know he’s he’s in the investigation like everybody you’ve met tell me more about him?
BOURQUE:
Well he’s a good kid uh hmm, he used to be on drugs and stuff when he was younger he got off all that and uh basically now he just works construction not much to the guy you know like most people who don’t
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BOURQUE:
You said Wesley
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
Okay well he was an old he was a friend that worked with me at Wal-Mart and uh my frigg’n head anyways yeah he uh, yeah he uh lived with me for a little while and you know he got in trouble with my car once and uh I lent it to him to go get a cheque and he crashed it, and uh yeah what was it yeah uhh actually the second time I got arrested it was me getting him back on his feet there and I’m like alright if you can’t drive to the bridge and back across man I’m never letting you get you know drive again and then the go drive and then he started slowing down and texting and I think that’s what gave the ghost car the okay were going to follow em and when the ghost car followed him and we turned left that’s how I lost my car basically.
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BOURQUE:
With Wesley? When…well I haven’t talked to him since oh Jesus he moved out around December or January so that would have been around the last time I talk to him.
LEVESQUE:
And what if anything important would you talk to him about?
BOURQUE:
Well I just said he owed money for the car and uh basically he should get a hold of me again I didn’t want to stop being friends with him you know but with the circumstances kinda I said “we needed to kinda not hang out for a while you know so I can cool down” and you know it’s pretty hard to hang out with someone when it’s like oh you owe me 8000 dollars you know 100
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5:16:37 Is is that what it is?
BOURQUE:
Well that’s what it is now it just gradually climbed and uh yeah I don’t know I basically forgave him
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Cause uh you have a lots of good friends Justin right as many as good friends as you had and uh um of course you know good friends like this we we talk a lot we shoot the shit you know about you know we speak our mind so what if anything did you talk to him about in the past six months?
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Uhh basically the whole China, Russia situation that’s been developing like I haven’t like I said I haven’t talked to him that much as for Nathan and Mike and again you know we play video games a lot so talked about that quite a bit and we watched Nas… or I started watching Nascars with Mike and yeah it’s pretty much all we talked about that and women.
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Definitely would have been but I didn’t really have anybody that I knew would actually do it so
LEVESQUE:
So did you did you mention that to them?
BOURQUE:
Nope, I just kinda played quiet all day
LEVESQUE:
So Nathan when he dropped you home or when he picked you up you went to buy the uh you know ammunition you know.
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Ohh nothing he just thought I had the night off and I wanted to buy ammo I guess I mean it’s not unusual we go shopping for ammo and stuff all the time like you know
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BOURQUE:
Yup
LEVESQUE:
So you what did you tell him if anything about not working?
BOURQUE:
Who Nathan?
LEVESQUE:
You yeah.
BOURQUE:
Well I just told him I called in.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, and there was no more than that no conversation?
BOURQUE:
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That I’m not sure of, probably home or maybe to his aunts I’m not sure it seems to me he said he was doing something but I was kind of you know in a different mindset than him (chuckles)
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So did mike and Nathan and you know all those people how did they feel about what happened do you think about the shooting?
BOURQUE:
Uh I don’t know I really can’t say but I have to talk to them basically and there’s no way that’s going to happen
LEVESQUE:
Did you talk to them about it before it took place?
BOURQUE:
No.
LEVESQUE:
You never mentioned that to them?
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BOURQUE:
Well why would I?
5:19:45 5 LEVESQUE:
Well I don’t know because as you said before you know two people would have made a different situation.
BOURQUE:
Mmm
LEVESQUE:
Right that would have been and you mentioned 20 that that would be it would be uh like.
BOURQUE:
Quite the bloodshed.
LEVESQUE:
Yeah that’s right quite the blood show you know.
BOURQUE:
Mmm
LEVESQUE:
And umm you understand that killing someone in Canada you know is legally wrong.
BOURQUE:
Well yes. Obviously
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BOURQUE:
Obviously.
LEVESQUE:
Okay um I just you know uh it’s important that you realise that right and I think you did right.
BOURQUE:
Well yes.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, when did you realise that?
BOURQUE:
The whole you know when you know I knew that you know that it sucks
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5:21:05 LEVESQUE:
Justin if I were to tell you that some people said that you know you had mentioned to them that you were going to do this a long time ago what would you say?
BOURQUE:
Probably
LEVESQUE:
So do you recall saying that to you friends?
BOURQUE:
Uhh maybe once or twice.
LEVESQUE:
Do you recall what you told them?
BOURQUE:
Just stuff like we need to start a rebellion of course they wouldn’t follow
LEVESQUE:
Okay, did you mention about doing what you did like shooting police officers you know and?
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So basically you know as as we covered before you know why can’t you go in camo with with guns you were expecting them to come.
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
So when you left the house after purchasing 60 some rounds you know and and shotgun shells you knew you were not going to go to sleep, is that fair to say?
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
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LEVESQUE:
Okay, not going to work, and I mean everything and going on Facebook it basically showed that, tonight is the night right.
BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
Tonight you wanted to make the message clear.
BOURQUE:
Well really though I always posted lyrics on my Facebook but uh I didn’t well they were kinda the theme of what you know was felt at the moment but it wasn’t uh umm you know like advertised
LEVESQUE:
Because when you put you know all the puzzle together the ammo not calling not going to work Facebook you know because I believe you know your father called you later on in the evening right can you well tell me about the conversation that you had with your father.
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He said “why did you lie about not going to work” and I said “because” and I hung up.
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Because nothing had been started yet right?
BOURQUE:
Yeah, I had some thinking to do believe me.
LEVESQUE:
So so you made some thinking then?
BOURQUE:
Loads of it loads of it I sat there for about 20 minutes just
LEVESQUE:
Just thinking, what were you thinking about?
BOURQUE:
My options
LEVESQUE:
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Working at a crappy job like Rolly’s
5:23:42 5 BOURQUE:
Rolly’s for the rest of my life, go to college, get into more debt and probably not get a job out of it. And there’s the other.
LEVESQUE:
The others is walking the street getting get attention and take as many down as you can.
BOURQUE:
Basically. I was actually expecting to die but somehow, I don’t know what to say. It’s like somehow I just got the mentally that to be a soldier but I just never found my war. But I really do firmly believe that we should take care of enemies domestic, before foreign that’s for sure. You know what I mean, like. Wherever you go, wherever there’s a war they’ve got a wife and children doesn’t matter what race or country they live in. I’m sure they all love their wife and kids. Soldiers kill soldiers. Honestly, I don’t see much of a difference between what I did and what soldiers did. You know what I mean.
LEVESQUE:
But soldiers do it in a war situation, right?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
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But here, you know in society, there is rules that makes it illegal you know to kill people.
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But see that’s what I’m talking about though. Invisible barriers don’t do dick, you know what I mean. And that’s what we’re living in the society of visible barriers and enforce tolerance and crap like that. Like really there’s just too much indoctrination and not enough learning and self-awareness. And if believe me if there was that somebody would’ve probably shot me the minute I even showed any gun or any intent of danger if this was you know an actual working society.
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
But then again they’d probably joined me if they’d have known you know it’s like you know. Its (__)gonna come back keep beating it and beatin’ it and beatin’ it.
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LEVESQUE:
5:26:00 Yeah. Corruption uh you know extortion all that stuff it’s just.
LEVESQUE:
But what’s there 500 years ago it’s, it’s still going to be here 500 years from now.
BOURQUE:
Not unless the people realize that they can take power into their hands. And, until they keep listening to politicians to fight their battles for them and keep being cowards hiding behind other people, expecting them to do dirty work for them, well.
LEVESQUE:
Tell me Justin, just to bring you back on the ammunition side of things, okay. Did you after you know this this was all done you know sit down and say check my ammo you know reload my mag and wait for you know did you, did you know the number of shells by then when everything was done sit down and. I fired so many rounds I have so many left. Did that thought cross your mind?
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BOURQUE:
Uh. I’m guessing at least like well whatever was in that clip here. And I don’t know, did I give you guys both magazines. I don’t think you’d know.
LEVESQUE:
I don’t know, I don’t have that information.
BOURQUE:
But yeah, somewhere between 12 to maybe a full 20 anyway.
LEVESQUE:
A full 20 and 12 in the in the magazine?
BOURQUE:
Well, somewhere between 12 and 20 in the one magazine.
LEVESQUE:
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And I had another 5 rounds in the 5 round magazine.
5:27:30 LEVESQUE:
So that would make how many?
BOURQUE:
Well, probably around…let’s see. Did I have 18 for the expanding rounds? Yeah, I had 18 expanding rounds, 64 metal jacket. Okay, that’s 78 plus 10 shotgun plus the extra 3. Yeah, so that was. I’d say give or take about 80-85 rounds in total.
LEVESQUE:
When, when, when you started?
BOURQUE:
When I started.
LEVESQUE:
So, how many should there be left now?
BOURQUE:
Shotgun should have the tube full but I didn’t have it pumped for safety reasons and ah that’s 5 in the shotgun. I think I dropped 2 during some of the running and then there should well, the army pack that they ripped off me had uh I’d say 4-5 loose ones in there.
LEVESQUE:
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LEVESQUE:
How many clip magazines did you have?
BOURQUE:
I had 3 magazines. Burned through half one, topped off the other one and that’s where I got messed up right. Kind of lost count.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, so you you did change magazines in the….
BOURQUE:
Yeah, I changed magazines in the event.
LEVESQUE:
When did you?
BOURQUE:
Uh, about when the 2 were at the top of the road, I had them pinned down.
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Okay, the one that you shot that you don’t think you hit.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
And that was before the unmarked.
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
Okay. Now tell me what do the full metal jacket do different than the other rounds.
BOURQUE:
Well they don’t expand when they hit flesh yet they just kind of go right through and it’s better for piercing armour
LEVESQUE:
So when you purchased them, what did what were you looking for?
BOURQUE:
Well, they’re just the cheapest rounds you can get. I don’t think it was even the full coated metal jackets to be honest but uh it’s like $15 dollars for a box.
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BOURQUE:
Just yeah. Well 308’s a very powerful calibre and I think the only kind of body armour that can resist it is ceramic
LEVESQUE:
So 140 grains will have, will have tracing?
BOURQUE:
Yeah for sure.
LEVESQUE:
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Well basically grain is like the density of the bullet and stuff like that.
5:30:24 Okay, okay, okay. So, how do you feel now?
BOURQUE:
Well, I’m not looking forward to the rest of the whatever many years but I don’t know honestly I’m just waiting that between struggling to get by and at least having 2 square meals a day. I don’t know. Not looking forward to prison but life in a way was kinda its own prison.
LEVESQUE:
While this was unfolding did you see any vehicle driving by?
BOURQUE:
Plenty of vehicles there was actually, well there was two that I was doing the suppressive fire to there was a car that was pretty much right beside me and uh they were running into each other.
LEVESQUE:
They were looking at you?
BOURQUE:
Yeah.
LEVESQUE:
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Anybody in any cars that you know? That you saw?
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I don’t know there was just people screaming so I didn’t really look I was paying attention at what was in front of me not you know.
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Yeah, okay so um okay so the whole event now that you know you went through it through your mind and and you know a few times how would you estimate it lasted you know from the first round you shot until the time you went through the woods?
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Well I got caught around like 12 or 12:30am so
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No but I mean until you went in the woods you know that you
BOURQUE:
Yeah I know
LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
Umm let’s see, it probably started around 7:30 and then uh ended yeah at like midnight tonight around.
LEVESQUE:
So what are they gonna find in you’re in your clothing in in you know in everything that you have when they actually arrested you to bring you here tonight.
BOURQUE:
Uh they found my block tactical knife they missed my pocket knife somehow but these guys got it here uh they took off my military pouch, which had baby powder and gas masks, a space blanket, an extra shirt and extra pair of socks uh what else was there a pair of binoculars and yeah I think that was it.
LEVESQUE:
So hearing this stuff you why did you have baby powder?
BOURQUE:
Trench foot it takes care of, or prevents it anyways.
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Okay, okay I’ll get some paper you know you know...
BOURQUE:
Write to the families
LEVESQUE:
Ease, ease the pain of those families you, you told me you were going to write you know an apology to them yup you know I think it’s going to help them
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BOURQUE:
Oh yes
LEVESQUE:
Okay so uh I’m gonna ask Gaby to bring some papers and maybe a pencil.
BOURQUE:
Right
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BOURQUE:
Mmhmm
LEVESQUE:
So how were you treated here tonight?
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Well you know were always trying to treat people the way we would like to be treated right.
BOURQUE:
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LEVESQUE:
Mosquitoes are bad no question.
BOURQUE:
Oh I’m not even caring about the mosquitoes (chuckles) more about like all this.
LEVESQUE:
So what do you think your parents are thinking right now?
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BOURQUE:
(chuckles) You asshole but I left him my debit card and everything he should be fine.
LEVESQUE:
Do you have money in your account?
BOURQUE:
Yeah it’s coming here tonight, actually.
LEVESQUE:
Why tonight?
BOURQUE:
Pay night.
LEVESQUE:
Pay night is Thursday night.
BOURQUE:
Yup
LEVESQUE:
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Yup right at midnight
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LEVESQUE:
Its Friday today I think it’s the sixth
BOURQUE:
They told me not to talk about all this stuff there, my lawyer but as far as I’m concerned you know you guys got me. So it’s June 3rd?
LEVESQUE:
Six, sixth
BOURQUE:
Oh Jesus
LEVESQUE:
Now it’s the sixth yup. Swore hand
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Uh yeah , well when I was in the cuffs there one of them had me by the throat one was stepping on my nuts.
5:38:26 5 LEVESQUE:
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BOURQUE:
And the other guy start twisting me like that as hard as he could and every time I’d try to make some noise there was some people watching from the window I hope they testify anyway umm they were watching in the windows and anyways one guy was like hold it hold it hold it and I think they might have told those people to go inside and uh anyways they just every time I would just like you know moaned in agony he would just say shut up and he just started doing it harder. But yeah see there’s an example of how inhumane and power hungry there just our police department is and that’s not the only case of police brutality (chuckles) there’s ever been. Is this going to help me out in the long run though I wonder?
LEVESQUE:
You know what Justin um I uh I offered you a chance you know to ease their pain
BOURQUE:
Oh yeah oh yeah
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And you wanted to help I mean it’s all about you know you know it’s uh you know like I said you changed their life forever right.
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BOURQUE:
Yeah it’s just I’m really messed up right now.
LEVESQUE:
Just open your heart to those families
BOURQUE:
Oh no it’s not that I mean physically
LEVESQUE:
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I mean I feel bad but it’s just making it hard to write
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Should I say husband?
LEVESQUE:
You say what you want Justin, cause you are trying to talk to them.
BOURQUE:
I just wanted to know if they were married or not though to be personal
LEVESQUE:
Actually I think they all had kids one had two babies, one had three daughters.
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You know you had a rough day when your B’s turned into D’s
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How’s it going?
BOURQUE:
Bad, I haven’t slept in three days so it’s (Chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
Are you tired right now?
BOURQUE:
Oh very
LEVESQUE:
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 BOURQUE:
Jesus
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What’s the word you want to put?
BOURQUE:
Is this they knocked my other lens out so I’m having trouble kinda lining up
LEVESQUE:
You have contact lense?
BOURQUE:
One (chuckles)
LEVESQUE:
Okay.
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Do you want to try this? So the notes do you want to do this for me Justin
BOURQUE:
Mmm
LEVESQUE:
Okay, alright, let me read this out to you okay. June 6th , 2014 I send you my deepest regrets and sincere apology for killing your husband in a fire fight I know he was likely a good husband and father but us soldiers have not
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BOURQUE:
have met
LEVESQUE:
Have met in battle so did we, we choose to fight for current government I could no longer endorse these words may be meaningless to you I don’t not expect forgiveness or even understanding, all I can offer are apologies and condolences to you and your family sincerely Justin Bourque, okay alright so uhh I’ll make sure they have that to all the families. Anything else you wanna you would like to tell them?
BOURQUE:
It’s all in there, I don’t know nothing else I can say but sorry right
LEVESQUE:
Okay umm I am just gonna check the basis one more time and uh I’m sure you you want to go take a rest so would you like to how are you now?
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 BOURQUE:
I feel like we can keep going if you can, what’s next?
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Just a minute I’ll go check, I’ll be back.
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BOURQUE:
Well you’re my favourite so far, well other than what her face was, sorry man.
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It’s okay, I get that a lot.
BOURQUE:
Yeah, it’s not your fault (chuckles)
DEVEAU:
Tired?
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Uh yeah I’m tired but seriously what’s what’s a pretty girl like that doing in a place like this? (pause) But then again what’s a Christian home-schooled kid doing in a place like this? (chuckles)
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DEVEAU:
I think you answered your own question there (chuckles)
BOURQUE:
Yup.
DEVEAU:
Well you made it to Friday morning.
BOURQUE:
Yup, I’ll have to wait until I can see a free Friday morning, grow old.
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Well I was worried I was just gonna get hit by a Russian missile or something knowing my luck any day now that ought to erupt, now that china’s deploying
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 5:57:38 DEVEAU:
Mm you travel a lot before? You seem to know lots.
BOURQUE:
No I haven’t travelled at all. I, I don’t know same way I was able to perform in combat I don’t know it just it’s a kind of logic you develop in some weird way anyways.
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Okay just a few minutes there Gaby. Justin, uh.
BOURQUE:
Yeah
LEVESQUE:
Just uh uh I thank you very much for sharing this with me uh listen uh as you know were not done there’s there’s lots of things coming up if I we need your help to go back to the scene would you be willing today during the day later on, would that be would that be something you would be willing to show me? And if there need some clarity because as you know the Ident members have been thoroughly you know investigating this and how it...
BOURQUE:
So you will be there with me though right?
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Yes, absolutely.
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BOURQUE:
Okay, I just don’t trust the police well obviously.
LEVESQUE:
I will come and get you to, to understand exactly you know because you know as you know we’re trying to master this puzzle and then uh you know being there on scene might, might be really like you know help us to really understand the fully because there might be some few things that might not be clear well you know.
BOURQUE:
Well I’m willing to help out so long as you know, it helps me out a little bit you know, I’m not looking forward to anything good but.
LEVESQUE:
Okay, alright I think, you have to take your fingerprints right now okay
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Justin BOURQUE 2014-06-06 5:59:52 LEVESQUE: 5
And uh well go find a room alright, this way
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