Jackson V AEG Live Transcripts-June 28th Karen Faye-MJ Make-up/Hair

JACKSON V AEG LIVE June 28 th 2013

Karen Faye testimony (Michael Jacksons Make-up Hair)

Ju!e" counsel, you have anything you need to speak to me about? o? #r$ %anish" !ust that "e#re calling$$$ Ms$ %aye is coming back$ Ju!e" yes$ &o she is going to be the first one? #r$ %anish" yes$

#r$ %anish" yes$ Ms$ %aye is here, and Mr$ Putnam "as in the middle of his cross-e'amination, so "e#re going to resume "ith that$

co me for"ard? aren %aye, recalled as a "itness by the plaintiffs, "as Ju!e" $ Ms$ %aye, "ould you come previously s"orn and testified as follo"s Ju!e" and, Ms$ %aye, you understand you#re still under oath? A$

yes, * do$

Trusted by over 1 million members

Try Scribd FREE for 30 days to access over 125 million titles without ads or interruptions! Start Free Trial Cancel Anytime.



























Ju!e" very "ell$ +ll right$ ou may begin$ #r$ %utnam" thank you$ ross-e'amination (resumed) &$

.ood morning, Ms$ %aye$

A$

h, good morning, Mr$ Putnam$ Ho" are you today?

&$

.ood$ Ho" are you?

A$

&o far so good$ *t#s nice and cool in here$ &o "e#ll see ho" it goes, huh?

&$

/uring the course of the day da y you might feel a differently, but "e#ll get to that$

A$

* remember that$

&$

*t#s a little better no"$ 0e have the fans$

A$

h, great$

&$

+ lot has hanged in the seven "eeks since you#ve been here$

A$

Has it been that long?

&$ &even "eeks$ 1ecause it#s been seven "eeks$$$ you "ere here may 23th$$$ * started to ask you some 4uestions, but there had already been t"o days of testimony, so "hat *#m going to try to do is not recover any an y of that$ *#m going to try to ask you if you remember certain things, if * have to, and if you don#t, "e may have to go back to it$ 1ut have you done anything to prepare in the seven "eeks? Have you looked$$$ for e'ample, did you read your transcript of "hat you said at trial? A$

es$

&$

ou did? 0hen did you do that?

A$ Just periodically over different times, sir$ * can#t tell you e'actly "hat da tes they "ere$ *t#s kind of like in bet"een "ork and stuff "hen * had a chance to glance over that$ &$

Ho" did you get that?

A$

Ho" did * get that? ou guys sent me a copy$

&$

o, * didn#t$

A$

ou sent$$$ your company or something sent me copies of it$ eah, you did$



























A$

&o it#s a deposition that * "as looking over$

&$

&o over the last seven "eeks, you "ent back to look at your deposition testimony?

A$

es$ es, * did$

&$

+nd ho" many days "ere you deposed for?

A$ * think * "as deposed "ith you for four or five days, * think$ +nd then * think * talked to the plaintiffs for, like, * think, one day$ &$

+nd so you had about five or si' days of deposition?

A$

5hat#s a pretty good estimate, yes, sir$

&$

+nd it "as those transcripts you "ent back to look at in the last seven "eeks?

A$

eah$

&$

1ut you didn#t look at "hat "h at you said in the courtroom over ove r the last seven "eeks?

A$

o$ * did not look at that$

&$

/id you go back to look at any e'hibits or anything over the last seven "eeks?

A$

h$ My phone#s not off$ an * turn that off?

&$

f course$

A$

*t !ust "histled at me$ (turned off cell phone$) $ *#m sorry$

&$

1etter no" than later$

A$

an you ask me that 4uestion again?

&$ es, * can$ *n terms of the last seven "eeks, *#m trying to see ho"$$$ "hat you did to prepare so * have some sense of ho" much * have to go through$ /id you go back to look at any of the e'hibits in the last seven "eeks? A$

5he e'hibits of "hat "as sho"n in court?

&$

es, ma#am$

A$

o$



























A$

* don#t, sir$

&$

$ 0e "ere trying to go chronologically ch ronologically through your relationship "ith Mr$ Jackson$

A$

$

c riminal trial, you had been there every day, arriving around 9:33 in the &$ *t "as June 63378 all right? 5he criminal morning, "ashing his hair, prayed, cried$ ou remember? A$

es$

&$ +nd he got ac4uitted, and you "ere in the hotel$ 5hat#s ho" you heard about it$ ou didn#t talk to Mr$ Jackson, didn#t see him again, didn#t speak "ith him, and he left the country$ ou remember that? A$

orrect$ o$ * did speak "ith him on the phone$

&$

ou did?

A$ He called me a fe" times, probably about every three or four months$ He "ould call me or send me a present on the holidays or things like that in bet"een that period of time$ &$

5hat#s "hat "e#re getting to$

A$ h, *#m sorry$ 1ecause you said * didn#t have anything$$$ * didn#t talk to him bet"een that period of time, and * did, so$$$ &$ A$

* "as actually$$$ $$$ * "as correcting that$

&$

* "as still in June 6337$

A$

$ June$ $

&$

&o you hear he "as ac4uitted?

A$

orrect$

&$

ou don#t talk to him at that time$ He leaves the country?

A$

* didn#t talk to him that day$

&$

He leaves the country?



























&$
orrect$

&$ +nd, again, this is June 6337$ o", did that upset you in any "ay? 5hat you had been there every day helping him, but he gets ac4uitted, but he doesn#t call you or talk to you but !ust leaves the country? A$

*t didn#t upset me, no, sir$

&$

0hy is that?

A$ He had been through a horrible, horrible ordeal, and * "as by his side$ +nd to me, "hatever he had to do to recover from that "as fine$ He had said all his thank yous all along the "ay, you kno", and an d "as appreciative of everything that * did "hen "e "ere together during that time$ &o * really understood und erstood that he "anted to leave, so * didn#t feel bad$ He needed need ed to be "ith his family$ He needed n eeded to spend time "ith his children$ * thought that "as far more important$ +nd *$$$ frankly, * !ust didn#t feel that * needed to be thanked or any kind of gratitude to"ards "hat * did$ &$ A$

&o it didn#t upset you? o$

&$

+nd he leaves the country$ /o you kno" if he ever returned to everland after that?

A$

+s far as * kno", he never did$

&$

+nd did you ever return to everland after that?

A$

o$

&$

+nd you didn#t see him again until +pril of 633=8 correct?

A$

March, +pril$$$ * think that#s about right$

&$

&o "hen he moved back to >os +ngeles in late 633, you didn#t see him then?

A$

1ack in +pril$$$ no$ o, sir$

&$ +nd "hen he moved into arol"ood at that time, you didn#t go over to arol"ood and see him at the time, correct, in late 633? A$ &$

o, sir$ 5he first time you sa" him "as +pril 633=?



























&$

ou don#t kno"?

A$ o$ * "asn#t keeping track of "here Michael "as, really$ * mean, it#s, like, * have a life, you kno", and he has a life, and my life didn#t$$$ doesn#t revolve$$$ didn#t revolve around him$ h im$ He "as a big part of it, of course, but, like, * have a child, * have a family, * have "ork$ &o * "asn#t, like$$$ you kno", * "ould read things in the ne"spaper and stuff, but that#s about it$ * didn#t make an effort to go see him or anything$ * mean, he called me, * think, from >as Aegas and said, B"e have some pro!ects * "ant you to be involved in,B and stuff$ +nd * said, Bgreat$ Just call me "hen you#re readyB kind of a thing$ &$

ou said you talked to him every three months8 right?

A$ 5hat#s an estimate$ * couldn#t be e'act on$$$ you kno", * "ould say about three, four months, you kno"$ Maybe five months "ent by$ &o that#s !ust a guesstimate, sir$ &$

5he last time you "ere here, you told us you "ere like a brother and sister8 right?

A$

* felt that that#s "hat our relationship "as like$

&$ o", in these times that he called you from Aegas and asked you if you could "ork on pro!ects "ith him, did any of those pro!ects come to be? /id you ever come to "ork "ith him during that time period? A$

0ell, B5his *s *tB came up$

&$

&o you did eventually in 633=8 correct?

A$

;h-huh$

&$ >et#s talk about that$ &o it#s 633=$ Ho" did you come to learn that the B5his *s *tB tour "as being put together? A$

* sa" it on television$

&$

+nd "hose program did you see?

A$

*t "as on the ne"s$

&$

0ere you surprised?

A$

o$ * can#t say * "as surprised$

&$

0hy not?

A$

Huh?

&$

0hy not?





























&$

+nd did you hear from Mr$ Jackson sometime after that announcement?

A$

es, sir$

&$

Ho" soon after the announcement?

A$ * don#t remember the$$$ * don#t recall the e'act amount of time that passed$ * "ould say "ithin t"o "eeks, three "eeks, perhaps$ &$

&o if the announcement "as on March 7th, 633=$$$

A$

March 7th? $

&$

$$$ you think sometime then?

A$

Probably around the middle of the month, * "ould say$

&$

&o mid March$ +nd tell me about that$ Ho" did you hear from him?

A$

0ell, the first person to call me "as Michael +mir$

&$

+nd "ho did you understand Michael +mir to be?

A$ 0ell, * didn#t kno" at the time he called me, but he e'plained that he "as Michael Jackson#s assistant, and Michael "ould like to speak to me regarding$$$ he "ould like to "ork " ork "ith me on the B5his *s *tB tour, and an d he "ould like to personally call me$ &$ &o some of those phone calls that you "ere receiving in the intervening four years "hen you "ere speaking "ith Mr$ Jackson, ho" did those phone calls come about? A$

He called me directly$ *t "as !ust him directly on the phone$

&$ &o in the$$$ bet"een 6337 and March 633=, "hen you heard from Mr$ Jackson, you heard from him directly?





























A$ 0ell, Michael e'plained that Michael#s phone that he "as calling from "ould be a blocked number, and so it "ould$$$ Michael "ould be calling me directly from

p ersonal assistant A$ 1locked number, so to be sure to pick it up$ &o * guess it didn#t strike me as "eird that a personal "ould let me kno" he "ould be calling, and please pick up a blocked number$ &$ A$

1ut that#s not ho" it occurred for the prior three years8 right? o$

&$ +nd you said he called you$$$ did he tell you anything else? 0hen Michael +mir called, did he say anything else about the tour, "hat "as happening? A$ o$ He didn#t give me too much information, other than Michael "ould be calling me$ He "ould be calling me from a blocked number, be sure to pick it up, and that it "as about "orking "ith him on the tour$ &$

+nd did a time come "hen Mr$ Jackson then called you directly?

A$

es$

&$

+nd ho" soon thereafter did that happen?

A$ 5o be very honest, * can#t recall, but it "as soon thereafter$ * don#t kno" if it "as that day or the ne't day$ * really don#t recall$ &$

1ut he did call directly, then?

A$

es$ %rom a blocked number, sir$

&$

+nd "hat happened in that phone conversation?

A$ $ * "as lying in my bed, and a blocked call came in, and * said, Bah, that#s probably Michael$B it "as really happy and light$ *t "as like, Boh, my gosh$ * see you#re doing a concert,B you kno"$ +nd he goes, Byeah$B and$$$ he used to al"ays use the phrase, B"ork "ith me, 5urkle$ 0ork "ith me, 5urkle$B you kno", because he#s saying, like, B* "ant to "ork "ith you$B and, like, "hen *#m doing his makeup, it "as, B"ork "ith me, 5urkle$B





























&$ ou don#t? *s it possible this is the first time that you#ve testified under oath that that part of the conversation ever took place? #r$ %anish" calls for speculation$ Ju!e" overruled$

k no" that "as a part of one of our conversations$ *#m really not sure if A$ sir, * told you$ * don#t really recall$ * kno" it "as in that very first conversation * had, sir$ &$

let#s talk about the scheduling of sho"s$ &o it#s March 7th$$$ *#m sorry$ Mid March$$$

A$

, sir$

&$ 633=$ ou had this conversation "ith Mr$ Jackson$ /o you tell him at that time that you#ll go "ork for him on the tour? A$

es$

&$

&o he asked you to "ork on the tour, and you said, ByesB?

A$

es$

&$

/id he tell you "hen it "as starting?

A$ &$

o, sir$ /id he tell you "here it "as going to be located?

A$ * don#t kno" if$$$ * can#t recall if he told me$ *t "as all over the ne"s, so it "as something that * "ould have kno"n$ &$

5he press conference$ /id you see the press conference?

A$

* remember seeing the media BbusB thing, "here the media "as flying over his bus$ * don#t think * actually





























you kno", it#s !ust, like, an unconscious unco nscious thing$ *#ll go to a restaurant and say, Boh, * "ouldn#t "ear my eye e ye makeup like that$B and * !ust noticed n oticed his "ig "as so big$ &o that "as "hat * noticed most of all$ &$

+ bad hairpiece$ ther"ise, ho" did he look to you?

A$ ou have to$$$ *#m trying to go back to that point "hen * first sa" him, because, like, it "as a long time ago$ Ho" did * think he looked? 5he only thing that * can recall is, like, the hairpiece, h airpiece, sir$ +nd * thought his behavior "as a little odd$ * think he "as$$$ but not out of the ordinary$ &$

o", after that, a time came that you actually ended up seeing Mr$ Jackson live8 right?

A$

eah$

&$

*n person? 1ut that didn#t happen until +pril8 correct?

A$

* think it "as like around the beginning b eginning of +pril$$$

Ju!e" Juror no$ C, are you ? #r$ %anish" "hy don#t "e take a 4uick break?

2 3:9C a$m$) Ju!e" 23 minutes$ (the !ury e'ited the courtroom at 23:9C Ju!e" * don#t kno" "hat#s going on, but 23 minutes$ ou can step do"n if you like or$$$ #s Faye: "here am * going to go? #r$ %utnam" it#s cooler outside$ Ju!e" the !uror is better$ (the !ury entered the courtroom at 23:DC a$m$)

ab out that$ Ju!e" Juror no$ C, ho" are you doing? Juror no$ C: *#m $ &orry about Ju!e" can you make it until lunch? Juror no$ C: yes$ * took some painkillers$





























A$

orrect$

&$

+s "ell as te'ts and phone messages?

A$

orrect$

&$

1ut you didn#t hand those over to us8 right?

A$

* had no idea * still had the phone, sir$

&$

1ut since you#ve testified, you#ve no" found those te'ts?

A$

0hen * "as sick, sir, * "as looking, because becau se * "as trying to remember stuff and dates and$$$ and $$$ yes, sir$

&$

/id it help you remember stuff no"?

A$

*t helped me clarify some dates, sir$

&$

+nd did you turn those te'ts over?

A$

* gave them toE$

&$

5o "hom?

A$

5o plaintiffs, sir$

&$

/id you give them to the people "ho asked for them in the actual subpoenas that you "ere given?

A$

o, sir$

&$

o? &o you didn#t hand them to them$ ou found them and gave them over to plaintiffs?

A$

(no audible response$)































A$

yeah$ * mean, like, today$

&$

1y Mr$ Putnam: you gave them to them today?

Ju!e" $ +ll right$ &$

1y Mr$ Putnam: is that "hat you#re saying? ou gave them to them today?

A$

eah$ 5his morning$

#r$ %utnam" "e can look at those at the break so * can try to prepare$ &$

going for"ard, ma#am, did you find anything else?

n othing pertaining to this case$ * A$ /id * find anything else? * mean, * "as going through my dra"ers, sir, so nothing found some kind of se'y things bet"een my boyfriend and *$ &$

/o you think this is funny?

A$ ou asked me, sir, and * told you "hat * found$ 1ut do * think it#s funny? * don#t think this case, sir, is funny at all$ &$ .oing back to "here "e "ere, ma#am, "hen did you let plaintiffs# counsel kno" that you found these te'ts?































&$

&o a lighthearted conversation about ho" many sho"s?

A$

es$

&$

+nd then you ended up seeing Mr$ Jackson for the first time in four years in the beginning of +pril 633=?

A$

es$

&$ +nd before you had seen him, you actually started doing some research about the number of sho"s, "hat the schedule "as, and the like? A$ *t "as soon after the first conversation$ * felt that * "as going to be a part of this, so * "ent online, and * sa" a schedule$ &$

ou sa" a schedule?

A$

>ike the tour dates$

&$

+nd so this$$$ this is something you did before b efore you had yet seen Mr$ Jackson8 correct?

A$

es$

&$ +nd as a result of seeing that schedule, you "ere concerned about the number of sho"s, and ho" the schedule "as created8 correct?































A$

es, sir$

&$

+nd you "ere concerned about Mr$ Jackson#s ability to actually do the tour8 correct?

A$

0ell, do the schedule that "as on the "eb site$

&$

+nd at this point you hadn#t hadn# t even seen Mr$ Jackson8 right?

A$

orrect, sir$

&$

ou hadn#t seen him in four years?

A$

orrect, sir$

&$

+t this point did you have an understanding that the tour "ould take place in one location: >ondon?

A$

es, sir$

&$

+nd you had never been "ith Mr$ Jackson before "here he did a residency, had you?

A$

*#ve been in places "here he#s been there several "eeks, but not a residency$

&$ +nd did you understand at this point "hen you talked to Mr$ rtega that this "as going to stay in one location for 73 sho"s? A$

*#m pretty sure * understood that$































&$

1y Mr$ Putnam: give you a hard one

A$

this isn#t "hat * sa"$

Ju!e" can you pass that one do"n? A$

oh, to you? *#m sorry$

Ju!e" thank you$ #r$ %anish" you#re saying this is on the "eb site? #r$ %utnam" no, * didn#t say that$ #r$ %anish" oh, $ &$ so, Ms$ %aye, there#s been testimony that this "as the schedule of sho"s$ * "ant to sho" you something$ ou see, it has$$$ there#s never t"o in a ro"$ 5hree months of sho"s, then there#s three months off, and then three months again$ ou see that? A$

* see that$

&$

&o "hat "as it that concerned you?

A$

0ell, this is$$$ first, isn#t "hat * sa"$































A$

/o * remember e'actly "hat * told Mr$ rtega? o, sir, * don#t remember e'actly "hat "ha t * told him$

&$

/o you remember generally "hat you told Mr$ rtega?

A$

Just "hat * told you !ust right no"$

&$

+ll right$

A$ 5hat * thought that the dates "eren#t really$$$ * thought Michael "ould need more time to recuperate$ * think they should really look at that and consider doing something that might be a little easier on him$ *t "as in that$$$ it#s not e'act "ords$ *t#s to that$ &$ $ *#d like to sho" you an e'hibit that has been entered and that has been testified to e'tensively$ *t#s e'hibit 293-2, and it#s a series of e-mails bet"een Paul P aul .onga"are and
orrect$

&$ +s "ell as enny rtega$ +nd there#s reference to a phone conversation in it that supposedly happened "ith you$ +nd * "ant to find out if this is the conversation that they#re talking abou t8 all right? #r$ %anish" has she seen this before?

do n#t kno" if #r$ %utnam" * don#t kno" if she#s seen this before$ 1ecause she#s been t"eeting about it$ 1ut * don#t she#s$$$

































Ju!e" but it#s in evidence already8 right? #r$ %utnam" yes$ #r$ %anish" that#s fine, as long as "e can do that$ A$

so this is from$$$

Ju!e" hold it$ 0e haven#t looked at it$ .ive us a chance to look at it$ ou can read it yourself, but give us a chance to look at it$ &$

1y Mr$ Putnam: so, as * "as noting no ting for you, this is a series of e-mails$

A$

$

&$

+nd you#ll see at the bottom, bo ttom, it starts "ith an e-mail to Mr$ rtega$

































A$

;h-huh$

&$ $$$ says: Baren %aye called to check in and confirm that MJ had reached out to her regarding the sho"$ &he "as thrilled that "e "ould all be "orking together again and "ould make herself available to me to discuss the sho" plan at any time$ &he also mentioned that she read online the tickets "ere being sold for every other day$B A$ * made$$$ * didn#t say anything about tickets$ * said * "ent online, like * said to you, and sa" that the sho"s "ere very close together, yes$ &$

ou commented rather heavily "ith respect to this?

"ha t you mean by Bheavily$B * !ust thought it "as A$ *t "as a concern of mine$ * mean, * don#t kno" "hat something that * should address in the very beginning b eginning to alert people, if they "ant "an t this to be the best success for everybody, that this should be something that they look at, sir$ &$

*t says: Bit#s her strong opinion that this is dangerous$B

































&$

1y Mr$ Putnam: so you didn#t say it "as dangerous?

though t that in order to be successful, they should revisit A$ * can#t recall saying it "as dangerous, sir$ * !ust thought the schedule$ 1ecause *#ve been on tour "ith Michael before$ &$

$ +nd going on, did you say it "as Bimpractical "ith consideration to MJ#s healthB?

A$ o$ * had no$$$ * mean, this is really "eird, because * had no concept of Michael#s health at this particular time$ * mean, this is, "hat, like March? &$

difficult, and A$ o$ My concern "as !ust that the schedule, according to other tours that *#ve been on, that it#s difficult, he needed, you kno", recuperate$$$ more recuperation than "hat * sa" on the original "eb site$ * didn#t$$$ there#s no "ay * "ould have said BdangerousB or BimpracticalB or$$$ * mean, BdangerousB? o$ * didn#t say$$$ * didn#t use those "ords, sir$

































A$

0hat#s the last part of the 4uestion?

&$

0asn#t it$$$ did "e not discuss$$$

A$

;h-huh$

&$ $$$ the idea some thought it "as better for you not to continue at that time because of this very fact8 that you "ould speak out on his behalf beh alf "ith regard to these kinds of issues? A$

* had no kno"ledge of "hy they didn#t bring me along$

&$

1ut you did have a conversation "ith Mr$ rtega at this time8 correct?

A$

es$

&$

+nd it "as a concern about the schedule?

































&$

Just "hat * said$

A$

0hat? /id * reach out to Michael?

&$

Mr$ Jackson, uh-huh$

A$

1ecause he "as the main performer, sir$

&$

;h-huh$ +nd he "ould also be the one responsible if he couldn#t do the sho"s8 correct?

A$

orrect$ *t "ould be his responsibility, sir$

&$ +nd isn#t that the reason you reached out to him, because you kne" it "ould be him "ho "as responsible if he couldn#t do the sho"s? A$

&ay that one more time$ 0ould it$$$



































A$

&tuart +rtingstall$

&$

0ho is he?

A$

He is my "ig maker$



































A$

es, sir$

&$

+nd that#s "hy you spoke to her?

A$

es$



































&$

Had you ever met her?

A$

Have * met her? es, *#ve met her$

&$

Had you met her at that time?



































#r$ %utnam" * "ill$

"a y$ &o *#ll strike that portion of Ju!e" * don#t think you "ere intending to elicit hearsay, but it came out that "ay$ the ans"er$ ou can re-ask the 4uestion$ &$

the 4uestion *#m asking, ma#am, is, * asked if you suspected at any point that Ms$ <"aramba "as in any



































&$

+nd remind us, if you could$ 0hat "as the Bpa!ama dayB?

A$ 0ell, it "as the day that Michael "ent to the hospital because something happened to his back, and he "as taken to the hospital$ +nd they gave him, * think, some sort of painkillers for his back$ +nd then as soon as he "as in the hospital and had h ad the painkillers, the !udge "as informing Michael that he had to go to the courthouse and be on time, or he "ould go to !ail$ +nd Michael had left everland to go$$$ he "as in his



































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































yes, * liked her$ K$ +nd had you "orked "ith her before? +$ * think * recall on another tour$ K$ +nd did you trust her? +$ &ure$ K$ o", if she#s testified here that he performed song after song after song, do you have any reason to believe that her memory is faulty in some "ay? +$ o$ K$ ou !ust can#t recall "hether he did many songs? +$ orrect, * can#t recall like the -- the set list and ho" many songs he "ent through$ * don#t recall if -- like he could have gone through maybe half -- half of the -- but like "hether he "ent "ithout stopping, * can#t recall, because, you kno", like rehearsals, you go through some, and then "hen you -- you hit a point "here you have to like revisit it and make corrections, you stop, things like that$ &o like going through nonstop, * can#t say that * recall that that happened$ K$ +nd -- but you thought he might have done about half of them that night? 0hat about the ne't night, the 6Dth? +$ 5he same thing$ * have really -- you kno", "e "ent through things and, you kno", it "as -- it "as a night like the night before$ *t "as -- he "as actually rehearsing, and he "as onstage, onstage, sir$ K$ o", can you recall if Mr$ Phillips "as there that night? #r$ %anish" 4hi,h  are you ta);in! aout the  #r$ %utnam" 7hat9s a !oo o.e,tion$ #r$ %anish" I9m not o.e,tin!$ I .ust *ant to ;no* *hat ate$

K$ /o you recall if Mr$ Phillips "ere there on the night of the 69rd? +$ * recall him being there one night8 but * can#t recall "hat time, "hich night$ * recall seeing him at the &taples enter, and "e "ere only at the &taples enter for t"o nights, so -K$ * missed that last past$ +$ 0e "ere only at the &taples enter for t"o, you kno", "ork days, so -- i remember seeing him there, so -- but * can#t recall "hich day -- oh, you kno", it "as probably -- "ait a minute$ 5he last day$ K$ ou sa" him on the 6Dth$ 0hat do you remember seeing? +$ 1ecause he "as in Michael#s room at the end of the night$



























+$ * can#t recall$ K$ Just don#t kno"? +$ * can#t recall, sir$ K$ o", but -- and if * understand correctly, though, on neither of those nights did you mention to -- strike that$ ou indicated that Mr$ Jackson#s -- there "as a levity and spirit, there "as more of a lightness to him than there had been$ +$ es, sir$ K$ +nd he "as laughing again? +$ es, sir$ K$ /o you remember making fun of the headphones that you talked about before? +$ es, sir$ K$ +nd he "as referring to you by your nickname again? +$ es, sir$ K$ &o all these "ere things that gave you hope? +$ es, sir$ He still kept repeating, though, "hich * found really odd, B I have no control. Why don't I have any control?B he said that a fe" times$ 5here "as still like this little -- a little anger there, you kno"$ 1ut yes, "e did laugh, and -- they gave me headphones because they "ere making him "ear those earphones, and he didn#t like them, and -- but that "as the only "ay they could hear each other$ &o they gave me one of those little things so * could talk to him$ +nd "e "ere making fun of that, you kno", because it "as !ust funny, funny, you kno", he had to hear me and * had to hear him$ +nd he#d go Boh, no, no" she kno"s$B it "as !ust like fun$ K$ *#m !ust curious$ +s the hair and makeup person, "hy "ould he need to hear you onstage and "hy "ould you need to hear him? +$ /irections$ K$ %or hair and makeup stuff? +$ 0ell, * -- * also -- "e also helped him "ith e'its and entrances and -- yes$ * mean, because unlike other sho"s that that "e did, the room -- the changing room is -- they put the stage -- the changing room under the stage, so * could not be able to vie" "hat he "as doing up onstage, like on top of the stage$ +nd sometimes * had to be belo" the stage, so "e needed to be able to communicate$ communicate$ 1ut the other tours * "as al"ays al"ays "ith, the changing changing rooms "ere al"ays located on on the stage off to the side so * could !ust go out and see "hat "as going on$ K$ kay$ o", you talked about Mr$ Jackson#s "eight8 and last time you testified you talked a lot about that$ &o his "eight in this time period "as something you "ere 4uite concerned "ith, correct? +$ es, sir$



























K$ +nd "hen you say Bperformance "eight,B did Mr$ Jackson have an ideal performance "eight, something he called his stage "eight? +$ * don#t kno" e'actly "hat that "as, but * think he liked to be at a certain -- a certain "eight for performance and the "ay the clothes looked and things, so -K$ &omething you might call his average "orking "eight? +$ ou kno", the -- i#m not familiar "ith a number, *#m not familiar "ith a conversation that * had "ith Michael regarding that$ K$ /o you remember ever testifying that his average "orking "eight "as 263 pounds? +$ * said that in regards to >isa Marie Presley gave me that information, sir$ K$ &o -- okay$ 1ut do you remember testifying -+$ +nd * think * said some"here -- because >isa Marie Presley and * became friends, and she told me that the "eight that he liked to be "as 263 pounds$ &orry$ *s that hearsay stuff? #r$ %anish" es$ 7he *itness" Sorry$ Ju!e" es$ #r$ %anish" 4hy  #r$ %utnam" I9 )i;e to sho* you somethin!- i( I ,an- ma9am$ It9s !oin! to e your e+osition on A+ri) 2Bth- 2012$ An I9m !oin! to sho* you )ines  throu!h 1D$ #r$ %anish" %a!e *hat- no*6 00 an *hat6 #r$ %utnam" 2B- )ine $ 7he *itness" 006 4e hae a )on! e+osition$ #r$ %utnam" 2B$ 7he *itness" 4o*$ O;ay$ A)) ri!ht$ #r$ %utnam" #ay I a++roa,h- your honor6 Ju!e" es$ 7he *itness" ou in9t as; me$ #r$ %utnam" #ay I a++roa,h- #s$ Faye6



























#r$ %anish" 2B- *hi,h )ines  Ju!e" ea it to yourse)($ 7he *itness" O;ay$ Sorry$ #r$ %utnam"  to 11$

K$ /o you see that, ma#am? #r$ %anish" 4ait a minute$ ?o) on$ I9m on +a!e 2B$ Is this the ri!ht  #r$ %utnam" 7hat must e a i((erent ate$ #s$ Steins" ?ere$

K$ /o you see that, Ms$ %aye? +$ * do$ #r$ %anish" Can I .ust )oo; at it one se,on$ A)) the *ay to 216 #r$ %utnam" I9m not sho*in! it- I9m as;in! her i( it re(reshes her re,o))e,tion$

K$ /oes this refresh your recollection as to "hether you testified that Mr$ Jackson#s "orking "eight is 263, that that#s -+$ es, and * got that information the same "ay * told you$ K$ kay$ +nd do you remember r emember testifying that#s "hat he aspired to be? +$ es$ K$ +nd that "as his perfect "eight? +$ &omebody told me that$ K$ kay$ *#m asking if you testified -+$ * don#t kno" ho" to address that$ #r$ %anish" I9m !oin! to moe to t o stri;e$ It9s a)) ase on hearsay- *hat she9s testi(yin! to$ Ju!e" O;ay$ Sustaine$ #r$ %utnam" O;ay$ Ju!e" 7he ans*er is stri,;en$



























K$ +nd in that period of time, did you think Mr$ Jackson, !ust in that "eek, had lost 23 to 27 pounds? +$ *t "as a lot, and that "as my estimate$ K$ &o your estimate in the last "eek of his life "as that he had lost 23 to 27 pounds? +$ 5hat "as my estimate$ K$ +nd had you observed that Mr$ Jackson "as getting thinner and thinner? + yes, sir$ K$ /id you ever discuss that "ith Mr$ Jackson? +$ o, sir$ K$ /id you ever tell him during that last "eek that he "as really dramatically losing "eight? +$ /id * tell him he "as dramatically losing "eight? o$ K$ /id you tell him in that last "eek he "as losing "eight at all? +$ &ir, Michael "asn#t very coherent in that last "eek to have a discussion like that$ #r$ %utnam" I moe to stri;e- your honor$ Ju!e" #otion !rante$

K$ /id you ever discuss that "ith him, ma#am? +$ o, sir$ K$ /id you ever tell him about your concern for his "eight? +$ es$ K$ ou did? 0hen "as that, ma#am? +$ *n -- in the beginning "hen -- in -- like March, +pril$ K$ +nd in this last "eek, did you discuss it "ith him at all? +$ o, sir$ K$ +nd did you not do that because you thought it "ould make the situation "orse? +$ o, sir$





























+$ ou !ust struck "hat * said, you kno"$ &o like "hat you#re asking me, you kno", is because of Michael#s condition, * didn#t approach him "ith things like that because it could possibly make things "orse$ K$ kay$ +ll right$ +$ /id * say that in a "ay that "on#t be stricken? Ju!e" 4e))- i( he9s as;in! you (or the e+)anation- you9re (ree to !ie the e+)anation$ 7he *itness" O;ay$ I !et ,on(use  I9m sorry  *hat9s a))o*e- *hat9s not- *hat9s stri,;en- hearsay$ I9m a ma;eu+ artist$ I ,an te)) you aout eye)ashes an *ho nees a ()attenin! iron$

K$ &o you didn#t tell him in that last "eek that you "ere concerned about his "eight, correct? +$ * can#t recall saying anything to Michael about his "eight in the last "eek$ K$ +nd that "as because you thought it "ould make the situation "orse because he didn#t seem coherent to you? +$ orrect$ K$ +nd did you -- isn#t it true that you thought that "hile you could notice this "eight loss, you "eren#t convinced that other people "ould be able to notice it? +$ * thought others "ho didn#t kno" him "ell or only sa" him "ith layers and layers of clothing could not recogniFe it, sir$ K$ *n fact, you thought even the dancers that "ere performing "ith him didn#t necessarily notice, correct? +$ *t "as possible that they didn#t, yes$ K$ +nd it "as possible that the people "atching him from in the &taples enter couldn#t have realiFed this "eight loss, as "ell, correct? +$ 5hat#s probably possible, sir$ K$ +nd you say that#s because of the layers and layers$ 0hat do you mean by that? +$ Michael "as "earing layers and layers of baggy clothes, sir, during rehearsals$





























K$ 5hat#s "hat * "as going to ask you, ma#am$
K$ /id you have a -- "ere you asked about the coroner#s report in your deposition? +$ es$ K$ 0ere you sho"n the coroner#s report in your deposition? +$ Pardon? K$ 0ere you sho"n the coroner#s report in your deposition? +$ * don#t kno" if * sa" it or not$ * kno" it "as -- did * see the coroner#s report? K$ * can sho" it to you again if you like$ +$ +ll right$ Ju!e" ?e ,an sho* it to her no*$ #r$ %utnam" It9s ehiit 1332$ #ay I a++roa,h- your honor6





























7he *itness" O;ay$ A)) ri!ht$ O;ay$ @e,ause there9s a ,ou+)e o( )on! numers on the ottom$ #r$ %utnam" i!ht$

K$ /o you remember being sho"n this at your deposition, ma#am? +$ ou kno", * have to say * don#t recall, but doesn#t mean it "asn#t$ * don#t recall$ K$ * understand$ *t#s a 4uestion about "hether you recall or not$ ou prepared Mr$ Jackson#s body, did you not, for his internment? +$ es$ K$ +nd you did that at the coroner#s office, correct? +$ 0hat? K$ ou did that -- did you go from the coroner#s office "ith the body from the mortuary, or did you pick it up at the mortuary? +$ *t "as at the mortuary, sir$ K$ +nd did you ever discuss Mr$ Jackson#s "eight at that time "ith anyone? +$ * asked the mortician that * "as "orking "ith ho" much did he think he "eighed$ K$ +nd he told you, correct? +$ He gave me an ans"er, sir$ K$ *#m going to ask you a 4uestion$ ou#ve talked a lot about -- and this is a lot from "hat happened last time$ *#m trying not to go back and revisit it, if possible -- but about your concerns in this last "eek, particularly your concerns on the 2=th, your concerns for Mr$ Jackson#s "ell being, and your concerns about his "eight$ /o you remember that? +$ es$ K$ +nd do you remember getting very upset on the stand, particularly about the idea that you thought no one "ould listen to you in this time period?





























+$ * -- * "as kind of thinking people "eren#t listening listening to me, sir, because nobody "as -- * "as voicing my opinions, and "hat * thought, and * didn#t feel * "as being -- * "asn#t getting too much response, sir$ K$ * "ant to talk about it a little bit$ 1ut those "ere concerns that you never e'pressed in that time period to Mr$ Jackson? +$ * mean, "e had conversations "ith me "anting for him to eat, things like that, but -- but * -- *#m !ust trying to go back to the time because it#s really difficult$ 5hat "as a long time ago$ 5here "ere issues about him eating, and * don#t kno" if they "ere all "ith enny or * had them "ith Michael also included in those conversations$ * can#t recall$ K$ /o you remember ever testifying, ma#am, as to "hether you had told Michael Jackson anything "as "rong and "hether he needed to leave, your saying, B*#m not going to alert him to horrible things, he#s putting up this frontB? +$ an you -- can you like give me more information about that? 1ecause * don#t recall$ K$ &ure$ *n your deposition, "hen you "ere asked "hy didn#t you talk to Mr$ Jackson -+$ kay$ o" *#m kind of getting "hat you mean here$ &o can you elaborate on that so *#m sure "e#re on the same page? K$ &ure$ My 4uestion "as, B Did you ever talk to Mr. Mr. Jackson in this last week week about this? Did you ever say, say, 'Michael, is soething wrong? Do you need to leave?' B +nd do you recall saying, B !o. I ean, the thing is I' not not going to alert hi to horrible things. "e's putting up this #ront, it's obvious that he's putting up a #ront because --B * can keep going if it helps$ *#m trying to do it "ithout having to go through the "hole thing "ith you$ +$ kay$ 0hen he "ent out on the stage, * kno" -- like he "as a professional, and * kno" -- yes$ K$ 0hat#s the Byes,B ma#am? +$ 5he ByesB is like he "ould pretend everything "as okay$ K$ /id you ask him if he "as okay in this "eek, ma#am? +$ /id * ask him if he "as okay? * have to say he "asn#t in a state of mind for me to ask him that 4uestion K$ &o you didn#t ask him? +$ * "ould -- * "ould say that#s probably accurate$ K$ +nd "henever he "as at rehearsal in that last "eek, you "ere "ith him, correct?





























+$ ears before that, yes, sir$ K$ /id you -- "ell, 5anya ilkie, "ere you still "orking "ith her at this point? +$ es, sir$ K$ 0as she still in a relationship "ith Mr$ Jackson? +$ * think so, sir$ K$ +t this period of time, "ere you "orried at all that drugs had something to do "ith "hy Mr$ Jackson "as in the condition he "as that last "eek? +$ * "as concerned it May be a possibility$ possibility$ K$ +nd did you think it "as one of several possibilities or "as the sole possibility? +$ * didn#t kno"$ K$ 5hat#s "hat *#m asking$ +$ * didn#t kno" "hat it "as, and * have to come from that particular point$ * "as trying to find out -- * thought it "as a possibility, possibility, but * did not kno"$ K$ +nd -- so -- * !ust "ant to understand$ &o at that point in time, going back to that time, you !ust didn#t -+$ 0hich time? K$ 5hat final "eek up until his passing, as opposed to today$ +$ orrect$ K$ ou didn#t kno" "hat "as "rong "ith him, right? +$ * did not$ K$ ou "ere concerned? +$ orrect$































Ju!e" I *ant to ;ee+ !oin!$ #r$ %utnam" O;ay$ 7hat *i)) e !oo$

K$ ou and Mr$ Jackson "ere very close in your 6C years together, correct? +$ * "ould say so$ K$ /id you feel like you shared a lot of things? +$ * "ould say "e kne" each other "ell, "hat "e shared "as probably not "hat -- probably the grandeur that you#re thinking of$ ou#d have to be more specific$ *#m sorry$ K$ >ast time you "ere here you testified that Michael -- testified that Michael al"ays thought that "hatever doctors gave him, that "ould be okay$ /o you remember that testimony? +$ es, sir$ K$ 0hat "as that based on? +$ 5hat "ent "ay, "ay back, sir, you kno"$ 5hat "as !ust like in a conversation that he al"ays relied that doctors "ould be giving him, him, you kno" -- "ould give him "hat "hat "as good for him, him, sir$ K$ &o that#s from conversations you actually had "ith Mr$ Jackson? +$ es, sir$ 1ut like that -- it "as like, you kno", close -- *#m saying this is our relationship$ *t "as probably around this -about this time$ 5his is the beginning, this is the end$ *t "as probably around in here some"here "hen "e had that conversation$































home? #r$ %anish" Assumin! (a,ts not in eien,e$ Ju!e" Sustaine$ 7he *itness" I mean- )i;e *hen6 #r$ %anish" :on9t ans*er$ Ju!e" Sustaine$ It9s a sustaine o.e,tion$

K$ /id you ever speak to Mr$ Jackson about any kind of drug at all? +$ * remember him asking me if my daughter smoked pot, and that * should never let her do that$ * mean, it "as more like telling me !ust stuff like that$ * mean, like having -- he asked me that one time if * had any -K$ Painkillers? +$ -- painkillers$ * remember that time$ 1ut it "asn#t something that "e talked about very much, or at any length$ K$ +nd in the year 633=, in the time you "ere doing that, did you discuss any drugs at all "ith him during that time period? +$ 633=, the entire year? K$ es$ +$ o$































#r$ %anish" It9s irre)eant *hat her state o( min  7he *itness" I ,an9t  I in9t ;no* *hat it *as- you ;no*$ #r$ %anish" ou9e !ot to sto+ (or a se,on$ #r$ %utnam" our honor- (oreseeai)ity is an e)ement o( this- an the +erson *ho is ,)osest to him  #r$ %anish" Can I ma;e the o.e,tion6 Ju!e" O;ay$ #a;e the o.e,tion$ #r$ %anish" O;ay$ It9s irre)eant an (ounation as to this *itness9s state o( min on +ro+o(o)- *hat ha++ene$ I mean- *here are *e !oin!6 Ju!e" 4hat *as your






























+$ es$ /id * say that here? K$ es$ +$ * kno" it#s -- it "as true in my case "ith "hat my availability in -- in -- my availability as a makeup artist$ He never took no for an ans"er from me$ K$ &o you didn#t mean that broadly, you only meant that in terms of yourself specifically, specifically, in terms of -+$ 5hat#s all * can talk about, sir$ K$ h$ kay$ +$ * mean, that#s all * kno" is -- "hen * "ould say, B* can#t do that,B he "ould come back to me and say, Bes, you can$B K$ 0as it your understanding that Mr$ Jackson "anted to do these sho"s at the 36? +$ *s it my understanding that he "anted to do these sho"s at the 36$ * have to say the "ay he talked about it to me -- am * allo"ed to say that? K$ es$ +$ -- he talked to me about it, it al"ays seemed like he "as convincing himself he "anted to do it$ K$ 0hy do you say that? +$ *t "as !ust that he al"ays said like -- he told me "hy he "as -- B*#m doing this for my children, *#m doing it for this$B and like it "as al"ays kind of like he "as talking himself into it$ &o he "as saying that, but like it "as al"ays -- like do you kno" "hen somebody tries to, you kno" -- keeps saying things and they#re trying to convince themself that that#s the































asked you about t"o specific emails that you had received from fans of Mr$ Jackson, and that you for"arded to Mr$ %rank /ileo$ /o you recall being asked about those emails? +$ es, sir$ K$ +nd these are ones that you had for"arded after your concerns on %riday, June 2=th? +$ &ay that one more time? K$ 5hese "ere before -- a result of your concerns on June 2=th? +$ * for"arded them$ K$ %or"arded them to Mr$ %rank /ileo? +$ * "rote them to %rank /ileo$ K$ +nd you attached some fan emails to for"ard them, correct? +$ orrect$ K$ +nd you said at the time that you understood that you "ere to give them to Mr$ /ileo because there "as some "hat you called chain of command, and that "as the "ay to get them to Mr$
































K$ /id you tell %rank because he told you to tell him? +$ He told me to bring my concerns to him$ K okay$ +nd is that "hy you sent him these emails? +$ orrect$ K$ +nd as you mentioned before, he#s someone you had kno"n for a long time? +$ orrect$ K$ ou#re friends "ith him? +$ B%riendsB is like vague to me$ K$ /id you feel close to him?

































#r$ %utnam" *#m going through t"o emails$ 63 minutes$ 5he key dates, your honor, the 63th and the 66nd, they "ent like an hour, certain portions$ * "ant to do the other portion$ #r$ %anish" our honor, *#ve looked at the total pages that * asked$ He#s already e'ceeded the number of page numbers on his 4uestions$ o", *#m not complaining, he can do it as long as he "ants8 but * think "hat they#re going to try to do is run me out to the end of the day so -- "hatever he "ants to do$ 1ut *#m not complaining, he can go as long as he "ants$ *#m !ust letting the court kno" that, that at D:63, *#m going to get up there on a %riday and, you kno", it#s really -- and * hate to have her come back$ +nd *#ve been limited$ 1ut "hatever$ Ju!e" 5he problem is there#s been some repetition$ #r$ %anish" eah, a lot$ #r$ %utnam" 5hat#s "hy *#m going to this portion, your honor$ #r$ %anish" He asks the same 4uestions over and over$ #r$ %utnam" our honor, if "e could have this discussion -- *#m not sure the "itness should be here for all of this$

































K$ +s indicated before the break, these "ere emails that you had sent on to %rank /ileo$ +nd if * May approach, your honor, *#m approaching "ith e'hibit 2673$ *s that okay? Ju!e" es$

K$ 0hile you#re looking at that, the -- do you remember being asked about this email "hen you "ere here being 4uestioned by Mr$ Panish? +$ ind of$ * remember like reading some of it, or -- like, yeah, it "as -- * think * -- the past -K$ Just remind everyone, "ho is 5ookie in this? +$ 5ookie, that is %rank /ileo#s nickname$ K$ &o this is an email that you had sent to %rank /ileo8 and that "as on &aturday, June 63th, in the morning? +$ orrect$ K$ +nd that "as the day that originally you "ere going to go over and redo Mr$ Jackson#s hair, but they cancelled, correct?

































+$ * had seen her$ 5here "ere fans that * "ould kno" "hat they look like but not necessarily associate their name "ith their face, and they "ere people around Michael$ K$ 0as she one of them? +$ * think so$ K$ kay$ /o you kno" if you#ve ever met her personally? +$ * can#t recall$ K$ an you recall "hether you ever corresponded "ith her other than this email? + * can#t recall$ K$ +ll right$ +nd go up$ +nd it says that -- B $ub%ect, Met MJ last week and worried.B
































#r$ %utnam" ?o+e(u))y not- e,ause I *rote a)) oer it tryin! to e+eite this$ 7he *itness" I9m sorry$ I thou!ht that *as the se,on one$ Ju!e" 7han; you$ #r$ %utnam" A)) ri!ht$

K$ o", do you recall sending this email to Mr$ /ileo "here you "ere for"arding another fan email? +$ orrect$ K$ +nd the email belo" it, it says to aren and Michael$ M ichael$ +gain, * "on#t go through the "hole thing, because you testified about it before$ +nd it ends "ith &andy &tadler, s-t-a-d-l-e-r, in e" ork city$ /o you see that? +$ orrect$ K$ /o you kno" "ho Ms$ &tadler is?



































+$ orrect$ K$ o", this "as the day that you actually "ent to arol"ood and "aited for several hours and ended up not seeing Mr$ Jackson, correct? +$ orrect$



































+$ orrect$ K$ B I see his pattern once again again eerging with his caretakers caretakersB? +$ orrect$ K$ B "e uses the to #inance his li#e li#eB?



































K$ kay$ +$ 5he trial and -- and "hat *#m trying to say is * remember -- * think * discussed like the beacon theater$ >ike everybody "as there for him, even all the talent and the celebrities, and "e had gone through rehearsals, everything seemed fine$ 1ut "hen * "ent, he had taken something that made him, you kno", in an incoherent state "hen * had to take -- "hen he had to do the sho"$ &o all *#m trying to do, *#m trying to figure out "hat is going on and *#m trying to put these patterns together$ +nd * !ust keep coming up "ith there#s some sort of fear going on$ +nd then, also, the things that enny told me



































K$ +nd the ne't paragraph, you say sa y B I don't think you, *enny or +andy deserve deserve becoing the villains or the #inancial victis$B /o you see that? +$ orrect$ K$ 0hy did you think they didn#t deserve to become the villains or the financial victims? +$ 1ecause * felt people "eren#t doing enough and taking my concerns, and * thought that "ould get their attention



































K$ +nd that "as meant to mean that he "as to direct these to the people at +G. and to the concert director? 5hat#s "hat -that#s your testimony? +$ * "as trying to make him feel that * "as confiding in him this truth$ * -- my intention "as for something -- somebody to help Michael, "hatever it took, sir$ K$ 5hat, * understand, ma#am$ 1ut you did say that this "as bet"een you and %rank alone?





























































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































Jackson V AEG Live Transcripts-June 28th Karen Faye-MJ Make-up/Hair

Recommend Documents