Jackson V AEG Live, July 19th 2013, Transcripts of Katherine Jackson

JACKSON V AEG LIVE July 19 th 2013

Kather#e Ja$.so#

(Michael Jackson's Beloved Mother, Jackson Family Matriarch, Plaintiff) Plaintiff' Witness.

%ll right. &kay. &kay. all them in. Ju!+e& Is there anything e need to talk a!o"t !efore e call the #"ry$ %ll he ury e#ters the $ourtroo4

ill yo" make yo"r Ju!+e& atherine Jackson vers"s %* +ive. *ood morning, every!ody. o"nsel, ill aearances$ Plaintiffs. %r( %r( Pa#sh& -es. *ood morning. Brian Panish for the Plaintiffs. %r( 5oyle& *ood morning. evin Boyle Bo yle for the Plaintiffs. %s( Cha#+& *ood morning. e!orah hang for the Plaintiffs. Plaintiffs. %s( Ste))#s& Jessica /te!!ins Bina for the efendants.

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%s( *o)#so#& *ood morning. +a"ra 0o!inson for the efendants. %r( Put#a& %nd Marvin P"tnam for the efendants. efendants.

-o" may !e seated. Plaintiffs, yo" can call yo"r ne2t itness. Ju!+e& 1hank yo". -o" atherine Jackson at this time. %r( %r( Pa#sh& -es. Plaintiffs call atherine Kather#e Ja$.so#6 $alle! as a /t#ess )y the Pla#t""s6 /as s/or# a#! test"e! as "ollo/s& he $ler.& Wo"ld yo" raise yo"r right hand$ o yo" solemnly state that the testimony yo"'re a!o"t to give in the ca"se no ending !efore this co"rt shall !e the tr"th, the hole tr"th, and nothing !"t the tr"th, so hel yo" *od$ he /t#ess& I do.

-o" may have a seat. %nd, ma'am, can yo" lease state and sell yo"r he $ler.& 1hank yo", ma'am. -o" first and last name for the record$ he /t#ess& My name is atherine sther Jackson. 3a3t3h3e3r3i3n3e, 3a3t3h3e3r3i3n3e, #3a3c3k3s3o3n. #3a3c3k3s3o3n. he $ler.& 1hank yo".

-o" may !egin. Ju!+e& 1hank yo", ma'am. -o"

-re$t e7a#ato# )y 5ra# Pa#sh&

4. -es. *ood morning, Mrs. Jackson. %. *ood morning. 4. First of all, hat is yo"r date of !irth$ %. I as !orn may 5th, 6789. 4. I kno this is not a great :"estion, !"t ho old old are yo"$ %. I'm ;8 years old. 4. Is this the first time time yo"'ve ever testified in a co"rt ith a #"ry like this$

























4. id yo" get a lot of slee slee last night$ night$ %.
%. *ood morning. %r( %r( Pa#sh& Better$ Ju!+e& -o" ant her to "se the the !ook$ %r( %r( Pa#sh& *ood idea.

4. &kay. &kay. We're We're #"st trying to ad#"st the microhone. +et's try that. *ood morning. %. *ood morning. 4. Pretend yo"'re singing in the choir. choir. 1ry to get it o"t a little little !it. I kno it's hard for yo". &kay$ %. &kay. 4. %ll right. Mrs. Jackson, I kno that yo" come from a famo"s m"sical family. family. %re yo" yo" a rivate

























%. -es, it is. 1he most diffic"lt thing is to sit here in this co"rt and listen to all the !ad things they say a!o"t my son. 4. %nd hy is that diffic"lt diffic"lt for yo"$ %. Pardon$ 4. Why is that that diffic"lt for yo"$ %. Well, a lot of the things that have !een said are not the tr"th. =e's not here to seak for himself. 4. /o are yo" here to seak for yo"r son, Michael$ %. I'll try my !est. 4. %nd hy is it that that yo"'re here to testify today$ %. Beca"se I ant to kno hat really really haened to my son, and that's hy I'm here. 4. %nd do yo" !elieve that yo"r son as a !ad erson, or some of the things that have !een said$ %nd the efendants have said, >It's "gly,> and they're >*oing to e2ose the "gly of yo"r family and yo"r son.> Mr. P"tnam said that at the !eginning of the case. o yo" !elieve that's the case$ honor. Misstates the testimony and my comments. %r( Put#a& &!#ection, yo"r honor. 4. Mr. P"tnam said said in his oening statement. id yo" sit here, hear his oening statement$ %. -es, I did. 4. id Mr. Mr. P"tnam take yo"r deosition for for many days$ %. -es, he did. 4. id he ask yo" many :"estions yo" yo" didn't like$ %. -es, he did. 4. %nd ho does it make yo" feel to hear that they're going to tell everyone that yo"r son is a !ad erson$ %. Makes me feel real !ad, !eca"se I kno my son as a very good erson. =e loved every!ody. every!ody. =e

























4. What as the the name of the ton$ %. Bar!o"r o"nty. o"nty. 1on$ 1on$ "fa"la as the name of the ton. 4. "fa"la, %la!ama$ %. -es. 4. +et me ask yo"? %nd hat as yo"r 33 ell, ell, ho ere yo"r arents$ %. My father as Prince /cr"se, /cr"se, and my mother as Martha Martha @sha. @sha. %r( %r( Pa#sh& I ant to sho e2hi!it e2hi!it 699A. %ll these have !een given to co"nsel.

4. %nd ho is in that ict"re, ma'am$ %. 1hat's my father. father. 1hat's my father father and Michael and myself. 4. %nd yo"r father's name as Prince /cr"se$

























4. Is Prince a family name name in yo"r family, family, Mrs. Jackson$ %. 1hat name goes all the ay !ack to slavery. slavery. =is father, his grandfather, grandfather, his great grandfather, grandfather, his great grandfather ere all named Prince. 4. Were yo" leased hen yo" learned that yo"r son as going to name 33 Michael as going to name his son Prince$ %. -es, I as. 4.


























4. What as yo"r father's name$ %. My father$ Prince. 4. I'm sorry. sorry. I asked yo" that already. already. I'm sorry. I'm nervo"s, too. &kay. &kay. %nd hat did yo"r father 33 hat as his m"sical talent$ %. =e layed g"itar. I layed the clarinet clarinet in the school !and. My sister layed the cello in the orchestra. Joseh's side as very talented, also. 4. Who is Joseh$ %. My h"s!and. 4. %nd yo"r h"s!and, hat a!o"t his family family side's talent$ %. 1hey ere very talented. =is !rother layed the g"itar. g"itar. &ne of them layed the sa2ohone. %nd e alays had m"sic aro"nd the ho"se, and I think that's hat enco"raged my children. 4. id yo" have any health iss"es, Mrs. Jackson, hen yo" ere groing groing "$ %. -es. I had olio as a child. It as 33 at that time it as called called infantile aralysis !eca"se most !a!ies got it at the time. B"t President 0oosevelt had it, also, and he started the March of imes. %nd that as !ack in the '59s hen I as in school. 4. %nd ho did that affect yo" hen yo" ere groing "$ %. @hm, I ore a !race from the age of A " "ntil 33 33 4. -o" ore !races$ !races $ %. J"st one !race on my left leg, and ore it " "ntil the age of 7.

























%r( Put#a&
4. Who is that$ (indicating) (indicating) there's a screen in front of yo".

























4. 1hat yo"r yo"r grad"ation ict"re$ %.
4. Mrs. Jackson, at some oint in time did yo" yo" get married$ %. I did. 4. %nd ho old ere yo"$ %. I as 67. 4. Who did yo" get married married to$ %. Joseh Jackson. 4. =o old as he$ %. 6. 4. %nd here did yo" yo" live hen yo" ere married$ %. I moved to to *ary, *ary, Indiana. 4. %nd is *ary, *ary, Indiana 33 is that close to ast hicago, Indiana$

























4. I'll #"st move it !ack a little. =oef"lly e can still hear yo". yo".
4. &kay. &kay. Is this the home yo" and yo"r h"s!and lived in$ (indicating)

























%. My oldest as my oldest oldest da"ghter, 0e!!ie. =er =er name as Ma"reen. Jackie as the the second. =is name is /igm"nd. 1ito, 1ariano 1ariano as his name. 1hen Jermaine, Marlon, Michael, 0andy and Janet. 4. /o Michael o"ld o"ld have !een yo"r Ath child$ %. -es. 4. %nd then yo" had three girls and si2 !oys$ %. -es. 4. Was that easy$ %. fo"r3room ho"se,> is this a fo"r3!edroom fo"r3!edroom ho"se$ %.


























so he as in a cri! in o"r room. 4. &kay. &kay. /o to, to and one$ %. 0ight. 4. %ll right.
























%. *osh, I kno ho to cook otatoes in every ay yo" can think of !eca"se he "sed to ick the otatoes, clean the field for otatoes and things hen he as laid off. J"st reg"lar food. food. 4.
























4. 1he mayor of *ary, *ary, Indiana, as in the ict"re$ Base!all Base!all ict"re$ %. -es. =e sonsored the team. 4. %nd hat as the name of the the team$ %. 1he name of the team as atC ittens, and his name as Mayor atC. 4. &kay. &kay. %ll right. right. %nd the one ith the !o tie there$ %. -es. 4. %nd ho is in that ict"re ict"re ith Mayor atC$ %. Jermaine is ne2t to Mayor Mayor atC, and 1ito 1ito is ne2t to Jermaine. Jermaine. 4. id yo" like to go to the the games$ %. We alays did, Marlon and Michael. %nd then the girls girls "sed to sit o"t and atch the !oys lay all the time. Michael en#oyed it !eca"se he o"ld save his little ennies and nickels, so hen they oened ", there as a refreshment stand, and he o"ld alays go there and send his money on that, on candy and cookies.

























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from the other holidays. 4.


























standing there holding his hand, a !oy of three years old, and crying. 4. rying hen his !rother as sick$ %. rying hen his !rother as sick. 4. id there come a time hen yo" realiCed that yo"r Ath child had an interest in m"sic$ m"sic$ %. -es. =e as !orn that ay. ay. =e 33 hen all the kids as dancing aro"nd, he as in my arms, and he co"ldn't !e still. =e as dancing, too, to the m"sic. %nd hen he started to alk, he o"ld still dance. %nd there's a story a!o"t 33 I imagine I've told the story so many times. 4. /hare it ith "s.

























%nd at the time there ere t"!es in 1Gs, and yo" co"ld go to the dr"gstore and take yo"r old t"!e and get another and come !ack and "t it in. B"t then later on, the 1G o"ld !reak don, and then e had a 1G man. =e o"ld come and take it aay, and sometimes e didn't have the money to get it !ack. %nd that's hen the children first started singing. We o"ld sing together, sing old co"ntry songs, folk songs. 1hings like that. 4. id yo" like co"ntry m"sic$ %. I gre " on co"ntry m"sic. 4. Is that from %la!ama$ %. 1hat's hen 33 e lived in ast hicago, and my father o"ld listen to that, an old co"ntry 33 I mean, it as a co"ntry station coming o"t of hicago called the >s"ertime frolic.> and on the

























I and Michael's grandfather, Joseh's father, ent don to school. %nd he 33 and I as thinking, >=o is he going to go " there #"st at five and sing$> 4. =o old as he$ %. Five years old. %nd he sang >lim! very Mo"ntain.> and I as so nervo"s hen he alked alked o"t on the stage, !eca"se he as alays shy. %nd he started singing the song, and he sang it ith s"ch clarity and didn't miss 33 not flat or anything. Joe's father sat there and cried like a !a! y. +ooked aro"nd, and I as crying, too. =e got a standing ovation for his erformance. %nd he asn't nervo"s, and I as shocked. %nd I think he m"st feel more at home on stage. 4. =o did that that make yo" feel$ %. I felt 33 I as ro"d of him !eca"se I didn't think he co"ld do it.

















































%. 1hat's Jermaine. 4. (indicating) %. 1hat's o"r dr"mmer, dr"mmer, Johnny Johnny Jackson.


























4. %nd ho did yo" get the money to !"y the instr"ments$ %. Well, e saved it. I "sed to alays arg"e and f"ss ith Joe a!o"t, >I need more rooms. I need more rooms.> and hen e o"ld save money, money, e'd !"y ! "y more instr"ments. We'd We'd !"y amlifiers and things like that.

























%. -es. 4. I g"ess that's hat they're called. %. 1hat's hat they're they're called.

























records. 4. <"m!er one records$ %. Fo"r n"m!er ones in in a ro. ro.

























4. %nd do yo" kno ho old he as there, Michael$ %. =e as a!o"t five. five. the v!eo $lp $o#t#ues to )e playe!4

























%. Moton . 4. %nd do yo" remem!er here this as$ as$ %. Pardon$















































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































%. Mr. Jackson as sick, sick, and he co"ldn't rehearse. 4. Well, for e2amle, yo" heard the testimony, testimony, did yo" not, ma'am, here it talks a!o"t the fact that he didn't like to rehearse for the dangero"s to"r$ %. -es. 4. %nd did yo" hear the testimony here he said he didn't like to rehearse for the history to"r$ %. laCy,> yo" don't remem!er hat that asD is that correct, ma'am$ testified to$ %r( %r( Pa#sh& &ther than hat she already testified %r( Put#a& @h3h"h -es, sir

























%. What's correct$ 4. 1hat hen yo" said that it's hard to sit here and listen to these !ad things, one mentioned the idea 33 the email here Mr. *ongaare said that he as laCy, and I'm asking yo" if yo" can remem!er hat other !ad, "ntr"e things yo"'ve heard in the last 6 eeks$ %. 1hey called him a freak. 4. %nd yo"'re talking a!o"t the email 33 %. 1hey ere making f"n of him. >Finally get a chance to meet the the freak.> 4. %nd are yo" yo" talking 33 %. %nd yo" kno 33 4. -o"'re talking a!o"t an email from someone ho isn't a arty to this las"itD correct, correct, ma'am$ 1hat as some!ody o"tside of the efendants in the las"it ho said that. o yo" remem!er that, ma'am$ %r( %r( Pa#sh& I'm going to o!#ect. It's It's not o"tside the defense. It's the general co"nsel layer. layer.

it's not general co"nsel. %r( Put#a&
4. o yo" recall that, Mrs. Jackson, that it as act"ally sent to some!ody at %* +ive, not sent from %* +ive$ -o" -o" remem!er that, ma'am$ %. I don't kno ho it as, !"t I'm #"st saying that it's hard to sit here and listen to it. 4. %nd I "nderstand that, ma'am. I do. I'm #"st trying to "nderstand. -o" -o" said it's hard to listen to the

























4. %nything else, ma'am$ %. My son is dead. =e's not here to talk for himself, so anything !ad that's said a!o"t him h"rts very m"ch. 4. B"t 33 %. %nd some eole love doing that to him. 4. oing that to yo"r son$ %. -es. 4. In fact, that as one of the hard things for yo", I'm s"re, the last fo"r years years of all the !ad things that ere said a!o"t yo"r sonD correct, ma'am$ %. -es. 4. %nd that's !eca"se eole didn't kno the Michael Michael Jackson yo" kneD correct, ma'am$ %. 1r"e. 4. 1hey only kne hat they sa e2ternallyD e2ternallyD they didn't kno hat he as act"ally like rivatelyD correct, ma'am$ %. -es. 4. In yo"r attorney's oening statements, statements, he said that yo"r son, son, Michael Jackson, as a dr"g addict. -o" remem!er hen he said that$ Misstates hat I said. %r( %r( Pa#sh& &!#ection. Misstates Ju!+e& &verr"led. 1he #"ry ill remem!er hatever yo" said.

4. 0emem!er that, ma'am$ %.
























%. -es, it o"ld !e hard to to listen to. 4. /o that as hard to listen listen to as ellD correct, ma'am$ %. I don't even remem!er him saying saying that, to tell yo" the the tr"th. 4. -o" don't, ma'am$ %.
























4. It o"ldn't !e helf"l$ %.
disc"ssions yo" had ith yo"r yo"r attorneys$ Ju!+e& Ma'am, o"ld it involve the disc"ssions he /t#ess& -es. %r( %r( Pa#sh& 1hat's an "nverified comlaint filed !y the layers. Ju!+e& %ll right.

4. id yo" have an "nderstanding that the time time came here yo" droed yo"r las"it against enny &rtega$ %r( %r( Pa#sh& /ame o!#ection.

Will yo" sti"late that that's hat haened$ Ju!+e& /"stained. Will It's in evidence. very!ody knos that. %r( %r( Pa#sh& We already !ro"ght that " already. It's Ju!+e& Is there a sti"lation sti"lation that enny &rtega as s"ed s"ed and droed from the las"it vol"ntarily$

%!sol"te ly. We ent thro"gh that ith Mr. &rtega. &rtega . %r( %r( Pa#sh& %!sol"tely. Ju!+e& %ll right.

4. id yo" have an "nderstanding hen the time came that yo" droed yo"r las"it against enny &rtega$ layers. %r( %r( Pa#sh& &ther than if yo" learned it from the layers.



























%r( Put#a& I accet the sti"lation. I ant to kno if she she kne that. %r( %r( Pa#sh& It's irrelevant.

tr"eD it's sti"lated. %nd it's Ju!+e& /"stained. 1he sti"lation acceted. 1he #"ry has to accet it. It's tr"eD also 6?99. /o 6?89. he ury e7ts the $ourtroo4 Ju!+e& &kay. &kay. 6?89. Lu#$h )rea.4 he "ollo/#+ pro$ee!#+s /ere hear! # ope# $ourt6 outs!e the prese#$e o" the ury4&

less than three ho"rs slee, she she as sleeing at l"nch, I think an ho"r or %r( %r( Pa#sh& Ms. Jackson got less so ill ro!a!ly !e her limit. Mr. P"tnam s"ggests ho"rs, so I don't think e'll finish today. today. I informed Mr. Mr. P"tnam of that. Ju!+e& &kay. &kay. We'll We'll do as m"ch as e can.

&kay. I #"st don't ant her to !e too tired. %r( %r( Pa#sh& &kay. he "ollo/#+ pro$ee!#+s /ere hel! # ope# $ourt6 # the prese#$e o" the urors4&

-o" may contin"e ith cross e2amination Ju!+e& atherine Jackson vers"s %* +ive. -o" honor. %r( Put#a& 1hank yo", yo"r honor. Co#t#ue! $ross e7a#ato# )y %arv# Put#a&

4. Mrs. Jackson, yo" remem!er earlier, earlier, !efore l"nch, I indicated if yo" had to sto at any time, e co"ld, right, ma'am$

























%. -es. 4. %nd this as in /etem!er of 969$ %. I don't remem!er, remem!er, !"t yo" remind remind me. 4. &kay. &kay. If I ere to reresent to yo" that it as /etem!er 6, 969, o"ld that so"nd right, ma'am$ %. /o"nds right. 4. %nd can yo" recall that this as !efore there had !een a criminal trial of r. r. onrad M"rray$ %.
























%r( %r( Pa#sh& B"t if she disc"ssed disc"ssed it ith her attorneys 33 Ju!+e& Well, hat yo" can do is erhas hrase it, >indeendent of any conversations yo"'ve had 33>

%!sol"tely, yo"r honor. honor. %r( Put#a& I'd !e hay to. %!sol"tely, Ju!+e& If there is no indeendent, then 33

4. /o, Mrs. Jackson 33 ell, let me ask it this ay? id id yo" consider anything in !ringing this las"it indeendent of yo"r disc"ssions ith yo"r attorneys$ %. -es. 4. -o" did. %nd did that incl"de the criminal trial of r. onrad M"rray$ %. %fter atching. 4. %fter atching$ %r( %r( Pa#sh& &!#ectionD the las"it as filed. =e said !efore the criminal trial, trial, so ho co"ld it have anything to do ith this$ %r( Put#a& 1hat's hy I'm asking. Ju!+e& &verr"led. he /t#ess& I don't "nderstand a lot of things yo"'re saying. I hear yo", !"t 33

little !it. &kay, &kay, ma'am$ %r( Put#a& +et me try to !reak it don for yo" a little 4. -o" filed yo"r las"it in /etem!er of 969, correct$ %. -es.

























co"ld something else !e a factor$ the fear is Ju!+e& If it's indeendent of the attorneyclient 33 yo" need to make it clear to her so she's 33 the that she's going to inadvertently disclose comm"nications ith her attorney, so 33 clear, Ms. Jackson. I don't ant to kno anything that yo" yo" disc"ssed %r( Put#a& +et me !e very clear, ith yo"r attorneys ever. ever. %ll right, ma'am$ Before the las"it or after the las"it. las"it. 1hat's not hat I'm asking for. What What I'm trying to determine, ma'am, is yo"r indee ndent considerations, hat yo" yo"rself tho"ght a!o"t o"tside of those conversations ith yo"r attorneys. 4. Was there anything that yo" considered e2cet hat as given to yo" !y yo"r attorneys in terms of !ringing this las"it$ %r( %r( Pa#sh& I'm going to o!#ect to >What as given to yo".> I mean, e #"st disc"ssed 33 there 33 I o!#ect to the :"estion, >given to.> Ju!+e& &verr"led.

conf"sed the ay he's asking the :"estions. he /t#ess& I'm getting conf"sed 4. Was there anything yo" tho"ght a!o"t other than yo"r disc"ssions ith yo"r attorneys hen yo" decided to !ring this las"it, ma'am$ %. 0eeat yo"rself. 4. &f co"rse. Was Was there anything other than yo"r disc"ssions ith yo"r attorneys that yo" considered in deciding to !ring this las"it in /etem!er of 969$ %. Before conrad M"rray's trial$ 4. It as, in fact, !efore !efore r. r. onrad M"rray's trial, trial, ma'am, yes. %. I don't remem!er. remem!er.

























%r( Put#a& riminal trial. %r( %r( Pa#sh& It's also irrelevant.

!elieve it's irrelevant, irrelevant, yo"r honor. honor. %r( Put#a& I don't !elieve %r( %r( Pa#sh& 0elevant for hat$

&kay. Why don't yo" #"st sti"late that that's the time time frame$ Ju!+e& &verr"led. &kay. %r( %r( Pa#sh& We already did. 1hey kno hen the case as filed. =e's already testified. %r( Put#a& Move to strike, strike, yo"r honor, honor, his comments.

Mr. P"tnam has already said the dates. We're We're not dis"ting the dates. %gain, there's no %r( %r( Pa#sh& Mr. iss"e a!o"t that. "nderstand her reasons s"ort !ringing !ringing the las"it, yo"r honor. honor. %r( Put#a& I'm trying to "nderstand %r( %r( Pa#sh& =er reasons for !ringing 33 %r( Put#a& I'm s"re yo"'d like to say hat they are. %nd hat I'm trying to determine is if there's anything indeendent of the conversation she had ith these attorneys that as relevant to !ringing this las"it. Ju!+e& Well, yo"'ve asked a co"le of times. I'll let yo" ask it one more time, !"t yo"'ve asked a co"le times already. B"t 33 %r( Put#a& %nd I haven't gotten an anser yet, I'm trying to fig"re o"t a ay to ask it 33 %r( %r( Pa#sh& /he has ansered the :"estion. Ju!+e& %sk it one more time. time.



























%. an yo" reeat yo"r 33 %r( %r( Pa#sh& -o" mean thro"gh her attorneys$

attorneys. %r( Put#a& -es, thro"gh her attorneys. clear. Beca"se she's not going to !e alking over to yo"r office and handing them to Ju!+e& Make it clear. yo", so make it clear that 33 4. Mrs. Jackson, did yo" rovide any doc"ments to yo"r attorneys so that they co"ld give them to "s in the three years !eteen the start of this las"it and o"r !eing at trial in this las"it$ %. My doc"ments$ Wo"ldn't that !e attorneyclient rivilege, hat she rovided to "s$ %r( %r( Pa#sh& Wait a min"te. Wo"ldn't Ju!+e& &verr"led. he /t#ess& -es.

4. -o" gave some doc"ments$ %. yes> for yo".

























%r( %r( Pa#sh& 1hat's okay. Ju!+e& Well, I #"st o"ld make a s"ggestion. J"st try to !e clear ith some of the :"estions :"estions !eca"se, o!vio"sly 33 !reak them don a little !it, esecially hen she's  it's toard the end of the day, and she's getting tired. %r( %r( Pa#sh& It's very fast, the :"estions.
imroer to ask a itness hy she !ro"ght the las"it, %s( Ste))#s& -o"r honor, it's not "nfair or imroer and I think that's all that as trying to !e asked. We'll deal ith 33 %r( %r( Pa#sh& Why 33 hatever. We'll %s( Cha#+& We have the case la for it. it. %r( %r( Pa#sh& We'll deal ith it Monday. Monday. I don't need to resond.

























agreement that e laced on the record, and that time eriod hasn't e2ired yet. revie. 1he imression I got from her %s( Ste))#s& Monday as the day she as s"osed to revie. co"nsel as that she o"ld !e availa!le to testify ne2t eek. I'm not ositive,  ositive, !"t e sho"ld confirm that, !eca"se if she is 33 and there are some iss"es ith her testimony that e may !e addressing, !"t 33 Ju!+e& Is she going to !e designated or aearing live$

so the co"rt knos, she has a very %s( Cha#+& We have to check ith her attorney, deending 33 #"st so serio"s l""s condition 33 this rivileged, rivacy for her$ %r( %r( Pa#sh& Is this %s( Cha#+& I g"ess I sho"ldn't state it, !"t I'll "t it in in a !rief "nder seal, !"t she has some severe health iss"es, and I have to address them ith her attorney. %s( Ste))#s& -o"r honor, I don't think there's any ay she co"ld aear !y designation. 1he hole "rose of her deosition, if yo"'ll recall, as she as not deosed d"ring discovery. discovery. /he testified she actively evaded discovery. /he then 33 Plaintiffs said they anted to add her to the list. %arently at the time they said they had !een comm"nicating ith her for a co"le of months. %s( Cha#+&
























testimony as in rearation for live testimony. /he stated several times on the record she intended to testify live. %t one oint, I as looking for something and Plaintiffs' co"nsel, d"ring a !reak 33 not Ms. hang, !"t her colleag"e 33 said, >hy are yo" even !othering asking her this$ -o" -o" can cover it all on cross e2amination hen she testifies.> !ring " for o!vio"s reasons, ! eca"se it as a deosition, I as trying to "nderstand hat her testimony as going to !e. It as not 33 to my "nderstanding 33 Ju!+e& It asn't trial reservation testimony. testimony.

2actl y, yo"r honor. %s( Ste))#s& 2actly %r( %r( Pa#sh& 1hat doesn't matter. matter. %r( Put#a& We ant to add her to o"r trial list,> and yo" said, >-o" >-o" only get to do that if defense gets to deose her !efore yo" do so.> to then "se that as a !ackdoor method to no have something to "t forard in this co"rt in terms of deosition testimony on video is a!sol"tely inaroriate.

thing$ I think this is is remat"re !eca"se I haven't talked to to her %s( Cha#+& an e #"st state one thing$ attorney yet, and I don't kno k no ho everything ent. /he is not a citiCen of the state of alifornia. /he lives o"tside the state, so there's ro!lem n"m!er 6. When that oman chooses 33 Ju!+e& +ike Mr. Mr. %nsch"tC.

























Ju!+e& I as s"rrised to see -o"ng -o"ng there !eca"se Plaintiffs have never mentioned -o"ng -o"ng !efore. %s( Ste))#s& We ere, too, yo"r honor. %nd e filed an o!#ection today !eca"se e !elieved that o"ld !e c"m"lative. B"t e don't ant to !egin o"r case itho"t knoing that they've finished theirs. Ju!+e& /ometimes yo" have to. %r( %r( Pa#sh& It haens like every trial. Ju!+e& 1hey're not alays that nice nice and neat and tied " in a !o. !o.

did start their their case. %r( %r( Pa#sh& %nd they already did %s( Ste))#s& B"t e'd like to have some idea, yo"r honor, is there one itness o"tstanding$ o"tstanding$ 1o$ 1o$ Fo"r$ Ju!+e& 1hat's fine. %r( %r( Pa#sh& 1hey already did start their case. 1he ay these things go, they had to call itnesses in o"r case, if e recall that. /o hen they say, >We >We don't ant to start o"r case,> they already started it a long time ago !y calling o"t of order to itnesses !eca"se of sched"ling. Ju!+e& -es. 1he oint !eing 33



























Plaintiffs' co"nsel that. to call her in in yo"r case$ Ju!+e& /o yo" ant to small ortion of her video deosition deosition to !olster their on =0 e2ert %s( Ste))#s& 1hey ant to "se a small o"t of conte2t. It's c"m"lative of testimony !y Mr. Mr. 1rell and Ms. /earight and a !it of detective martineC. 1here's no "rose to that. We've We've o!#ected to it as c"m"lative, c" m"lative, e've also rovided co"nter designations sho"ld the co"rt 33 Ju!+e& 1hat so"nds c"m"lativeD and if they're going to call her in in their case 33 %r( %r( Pa#sh& 1hey didn't say there ere. %r( 5oyle& We think their e2ert said some things that are helf"l to "s. If they're saying their e2ert is c"m"lative to o"rs, h y can they call her$ B"t I ill look at their o!#ections.

























did ask that. Ju!+e& I did %r( %r( Pa#sh& &kay. &kay. %nd Mr. Mr. P"tnam gave a resonse on the recordD and hat I o"ld like 33 !eca"se the to transcrits are different, I o"ld like to kno hat is the resonse. %s( Ste))#s& -o"r honor, e didn't ask for any modification of the ro"gh, so I o"ld ass"me ass"me the final transcrit is hat the co"rt reorter took don and hat as act"ally said. Ju!+e& What did the final say$

ersonally do not intend to call r. M"rray M"rray "nless it's re:"ested, yo"r %r( 5oyle& It says >e 33 I 33 I ersonally honor.> hat does that mean$ %r Pa#sh& B"t ho is going to re:"est it$

























no, might I intend. /he had to indicate %r( Put#a& Well, I s"sect she asn't saying a month from no, hat did I intend to do at the time. In my case, I do not intend to call 33 M"rray, there's a hole heck of a lot of other Ju!+e& Well, let's o"t it this ay. If yo" intend to call r. M"rray, things that need to !e done !efore that ill haenD a very lengthy hearing, his attorney has to !e resent, there has to !e all kinds of things that have to !e done !efore he co"ld testify. testify.
very, very lo. Ju!+e& %nd so the likelihood of that haening, very, %r( Put#a& Which is hy I said at the time, yo"r honor 33 as yo" recall, the conte2t in hich it arose as !eca"se, as yo" kno, for 6 eeks e have !een trying to get the ortion of r. onrad M"rray's

























%s( Ste))#s& If I "nderstand correctly ith regard to Ms. -o"ng, Plaintiffs are not going to call her no. If e do not call her in o"r case, they may raise the iss"e again, e'll still o!#ect to it as c"m"lative and raise it at that time.

rights, yes. %r( 5oyle& 0eserving all rights, Mr. &rtega %s( Caha#& Based on the reresentation that e're going to finish ith Ms. Jackson, and Mr. and Ms. 0aram!a ill !e dealt ith searately, e've !een rearing to arrange itnesses for ne2t eek. In the conte2t of that, e reared some deosition designations. %s yo"r honor may remem!er, hen e started the case, Plaintiffs' co"nsel designated 9 de ositions, and e had 5; ho"rs h o"rs to do co"nters, designations and o!#ections to those. 1hey all got lodged ith the co"rt, and then they ere "nhay ith the designation co"nted co" nted as 33 e had a difference of oinion. %nd on may 6st, yo"r honor said, >Well, >Well, hatever yo" ant to do ith the designations, Plaintiffs, in essence, I'll give yo" a eek to revise hatever yo" ant, and then e'll do that.> so !"t !efore that haened, e had essentially a

























send them on a rolling !asis. 1here's one more that e o"ld like to !e a!le to lay ne2t eek that e haven't sent over yet, e can do that today. B"t I think e #"st need some clarity o n the rocess to make s"re that the co"rt has eno"gh time, that e have eno"gh time, and that Plaintiffs have eno"gh time so that as e're sending them on a rolling !asis, e have some kind of o f ass"rance that e'll !e getting them !ack on a reg"lar !asis. Ju!+e& Mr. Boyle 33

fine ith. %r( 5oyle& Whatever the r"le as, e're fine %s( Caha#& 5; ho"rs. %r( %r( Pa#sh& It as five days, according to Ms. /trong. /trong. %s( Ste))#s& %t one oint, e had a to3art system. %fter there as some concern ith the initial



























the ones that e sent over this eek ere, altho"gh e gave them A ho"rs, and five days for anything that's not a riority, riority, and e ill send the m on a rolling !asis 33 Ju!+e& Is that acceta!le or not$ If not, hat's yo"r alternative$ alternative$

























%r( %r( Pa#sh& =o do yo" kno I'm I'm not doing doing that$ Ju!+e& Beca"se he's the one that's doing all the deos. %r( %r( Pa#sh& &kay, yo"r honor.

























Ju!+e& /o yo" may have to to call m"ltile m"ltile itnesses$ %r( Put#a& -es. 1he reason e're asking a!o"t the sched"le, making s"re the three and five and everything, is e're trying to make s"re e can do this as efficiently as ossi!le. %nd e're hoing to call many each day !eca"se e ant to get thro"gh this. 1hat's the resent intent, hich is also hy on

























Ju!+e& /o if I tell yo" yo" "t on a itness, yo" "t on a itness.

that, yo"r honor. honor. %r( Put#a& %nd I ill do that, yo" to talking hen Ju!+e& 1hey don't have to formally rest. /ame thing 33 ait a min"te. Why are yo"

























%s( Cha#+& I'm #"st reminding every!ody every!ody that e had indicated if she needs more time, e're hay to ork ith her. /o I have no idea, she has no idea. I ill find o"t and comm"nicate ith the other side.

is her layer$ %r( %r( Pa#sh& Who is











































































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