Israeli Professor Proclaims Zionism is Stupid_by Richard Grove_03-22-2010

Sand Storms the Middle East! World-Famous Israeli Professor Proclaims “Zionism is Stupid” in latest InterviewInt erviewand not surprisingly- Ahmadinejad surprisingly- Ahmadinejad Agrees Agrees By Richard Grove, Tragedy and Hope Magazine March 22, 2010

Reconcilable Differences: If you Dream of Peace Peac e in the Middle East, Begin Here to Real-ize the Reality. Summary: Summary: During a recent interview, wherein Professor Shlomo Sand was being interviewed by a colleague of mine; I found myself witnessing a rare opportunity to take an apparent contradiction in history. As a result, herein I offer the data which helps to dissolve the illusions which are the root cause of these contradictions, thereby offering a unifying solution to the apparent schism. This article is an attempt to form a logical, reasonable, and objective response to 3 points asserted by Sand, which appear to appear to be inaccurate; and are worthy of further study. The week before I had reviewed the interview with Sand, I had written down this precious gem: “Georg Wilhelm Hegel taught that you can take control of history by provoking by provoking crisis. This silences dissidents and surprises the enemy.” John Taylor Gatto, interviewed by Gnostic Media Feb. 2010 Understanding what had been offered by Gatto, I added to it what I learned from Prof. Sand; the sum of which led me to pose a new hypothesis regarding potential peace in the Middle East: If we If we can explore our fears and learn how to resolve contradictory logic; then we can liberate ourselves and others in the process, simply by sharing the results. In order to precisely address the incendiary ideas of Zionism, anti-Semitism, and the other emotionallycharged topics contained in Prof. Sand’s book, this article leverages a classical methodology of discerning certainty and a process of discovering meaning; and is presented in the style of a scientific experiment in communicative media. Part 1: 1: Background information on the topic of discussion. Part 2: 2: Transcript containing the apparent contradictions which form the basis for this article. (found @ 38 min:56 sec of the interview) interview) Part 3: 3: Analysis of the data collected, reconciliation of the apparent contradictions; and the formulation of a Conclusion. You can listen to the entire Interview here, here , and the extensive list of References can be found here.

Sample quote from the Interview: Jan Irvin: Irvin: Is Judaism a Race or a Religion, and what do you say to those that claim that it is a Race?

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Zi onists that Prof: Prof: Shlomo Sand: they are stupid, exactly like the anti-Semitics, I think the Zionists thought in the past that Jewishness is a race, pure or not pure, are stupid- exactly like the antiSemitics that thought that the Jewish are a Race. All A ll my book is a kind of declaration, that Jewishness cannot be cannot be a Race, the origins of most of the Jews is not from Palestine… and most of the Jewish came from conversion. conversion. Note that a few weeks prior to all of this, Irvin published this iconoclastic conversation, conversation, with a Rabbi who had presented Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with an award for his good will and outstanding relationship with Orthodox Jews living in Iran: “Against “ Against Zionism- An Interview with Rabbi Yisrel Dovid Weiss”; Weiss”; therein demonstrating Ahmadinejad to be anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic.

Part 1. Scope of this Article Primary purpose: purpose: As the output of critical thinking and through the presentation of source material relevant to the topic; I seek to encourage the audience to consume the 18 reference sources used to formulate the experiment (which in practical application is application is itself this itself this article). Publication of this article is a measure of stimulating a higher-level of awareness, communication, and mutual understanding on the subject matter; for the purposes of inspiring peace. Secondary purpose: purpose: To inspire Professor Sand to expand his research and future books to include the information provided herein, which is complimentary to his claims. Moreover, there exists the further potential to resolve the apparent contradictions which appear in his interview (through the clarification of definition, addition of grammar, identification of fall acies, contradictions, and other uses of rhetoric which form the illusion of contradiction); revealing how the Hegelian dialectic has been used against all of us. Sand, is currently Professor of History at Tel Aviv University in Background on the Author: Author: Shlomo Sand, Israel; and has also taught at the University of California, Berkeley. Recently Sand was interviewed on the Gnostic Media Podcast; Podcast; a common ground provided by host Jan Irvin to inspire academics, authors, and experts to share their research and provide the audience with Cognitive Liberty. The Gnostic Media Podcast has a global audience of almost 200,000 participants, with i ts goal being to satiate the hunger of listeners and voracious readers alike; inspiring the group to sharpen each other through critical thinking and debate, rather than breaking each other through conflict. Prof. Sand’s book is a presentation of the invention of what he refers to as “the myth of the Jewish people having a common ethnic origin”; and is best illustrated in my opinion, by this quote: “[a]t a certain stage in the 19th century intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people "retrospectively," out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people. From historian Heinrich Graetz on, Jewish historians began to draw the history of Judaism as the history of a nation that had been a kingdom, became a wandering people and ultimately turned around and went back to its birthplace.” (Source: Shattering a 'national mythology' by Ofri Ilani, Haaretz Haaretz,, March 2008) Background on: on: The Invention of the Jewish People by Shlomo Sand, 2009 About the book: book: “Shlomo Sand argues that most Jews actually descend from converts, whose native lands were scattered far across the Middle East and Eastern Europe.”


“Shlomo Sand has written a remarkable book. In cool, scholarly prose he has, quite simply, normalized Jewish history. In place of the implausible myth of a unique nation with a special destiny – expelled, isolated, wandering and finally restored to its rightful home – he has reconstructed the history of the Jews and convincingly reintegrated that history into the general story of humankind. The self-serving and mostly i maginary Jewish past that has done so much to provoke conflict in the present is i s revealed, like the past of so many other nations, to be largely an invention. Anyone interested i nterested in understanding the contemporary Middle East should read this book.” — Tony Judt Tom Segev in Haaretz Haaretz:: “One of the most fascinating and challenging books published here in a long time.” Jonathan Cook in The National : “Shlomo Sand’s latest work has spent 19 weeks on Israel’s bestseller list.” Morgan Strong in Consortium News: News: “There has been no serious rebuttal to Sand’s book, which has been a bestseller in Israel and Europe.” Israel Bartal in Haaretz Haaretz:: a “learned, captivating study … certainly worthy of a serious discussion”. Situational Background: Background: Having made myself familiar with Professor Shlomo Sand’s recent book, titled: The Invention of the S and’s extensive research, and courageous Jewish People; People ; I had built up a great deal of respect for Sand’s proclamations of his findings despite the status quo. I agree for the most part with the conclusions reached in Sand’s book, based on the evidence cited; and that upon which we do not agree, I readily admit my ignorance and thus recognize my need to invest more time in order to understand. Observation: Observation: In listening to the raw-recording of Irvin’s interview with S and; I found myself in agreement with all but 3 points he asserted. These 3 points being related to, but outside the bounds of, Sand’s book; it is my hope that readers (including Sand) will indulge themselves by reviewing the books (and the respective pages therein) listed at the end of this article. The observation which led to the undertaking of the research (to clarify the apparent contradictions) arrived in the form of my surprisesurprise- to Sand’s emotional reaction- in the face of Irvin’s question regarding the Rothschild banking family. It often occurs that when someone is apprised of information which contradicts that which they think they “know”; as a result of the cognitive dissonance which rushes in when we’re adverse to taking in new information, that is when emotional reactions are given precedent over intellectual capacity to think before taking action. It happens to all of us, at one time or another; and keeping emotional reactions incheck by applying our intellectual capacity to learn, provides the solution. To get to the root cause of what’s being lost due to the misdirection, ad hominem attacks, and emotional delivery of Sand’s claims; one must first try to understand that to which Sand is i s reacting, that being- the unknown- and over come the fear through a structured process of learning, critical thinking, and communication.


Collecting Data: Data: Understanding that I do not know, and extending the benefit of the doubt to Prof. Sand; I went about exploring, assessing, and choosing the tools through which I could raise my level of understanding. Having over 600 volumes in my library, l ibrary, I invested 20 minutes of my time, during which I pulled the 17 most relevant books (and one film) published between 1862 and 2007, which illustrate il lustrate that Sand’s assertions are not entirely accurate; with the intention of offering my findings to aid the audience in attaining a more-accurate, comprehensive, and objective perspective of this complex, murky, and emotionally charged subject matter. During this process, I continually asked myself: “Would this reference/book be available to Sand, and if so; could it assist in communicating or explaining the apparent contradictions?” Hypothesis: Hypothesis: By providing credible and relevant references which clarify the points of contention identified within Prof. Sand’s interview; interview; a new perspective can be realized, from which observers can reconcile the apparent contradictions in exchange for a more comprehensive perspective. Experiment: Experiment: By inspecting the apparent contradictions for the purpose of discovering common ground; we can thereby discover the unity within the opposites, opposites , as a result of dissolving the illusion of their apparent contradiction. Sand contradicts the facts which are widely available: 1. 2. 3.

Prof. Sand asserts that the Rothschild Banking Family had no role as world-dominating financiers. Prof. Sand asserts that the Rothschilds were not Zionists Zionists,, had no influence in the Balfour Declaration,, and were not instrumental in the creation of the State of Israel. Declaration Israel. Prof. Sand reacts emotionally to Irvin’s citations of historical references, and responds with the term “anti-Semitic “anti-Semitic”” in an ad hominem attack; attack; a defense mechanism often employed as a tactic to generate fear and intimidation, and to ward off an opponents questioning or further investigation of assertions.

Irvin doesn’t consent to the tactic, and the questioning that followed led to doing a lot of homework on my end. The irony which inspired me to formulate a formal response to these assertions can best be described from these two passages excerpted from Sand’s book (pp. 268, 271): “The broad Israeli historiography contains a good deal of apologetics excusing the presence of "biology" in the Zionist discourse, noting that this was a common fashion at the end of the nineteenth and first half of the twentieth century. True, many scientific publications, as much as daily newspapers and popular weeklies, carried articles that confounded heredity and culture, blood and national identity. The term "race" was frequently used by anti-Semites, but i t was also used by the respectable press and in liberal and socialist circles. The Zionist thinkers and promoters who discussed theories of blood and race, the argument goes, did not really take them seriously, and certainly they could not no t have anticipated the horrific developments that these ideas would help bring about. a bout. But this contextual historical argument, though convenient, is far from accurate.”


“If certain Jewish communities had distinctive qualities, they were due to history, not biology. The economic functions to which they were diverted gave rise to a specific subculture and concomitant linguistic markers. But modernization was slowly eroding the traditional Jewish separation and was integrating Jewish believers into the new national cultures. Thus, if the arguments of anti-Semitism were scientifically worthless, so, too, were those of the Zionist ideology that complemented them with similar reasoning.” (emphasis ( emphasis added) added) One can hardly blame Irvin for asking well-researched questions which are fully pertinent to the topic of conversation; having read not only Sand’s book, but numerous others, in preparation for an interview of such magnitude.

Part 2: The Transcript Partial Transcript of Gnostic Media podcast #070 with Prof. Shlomo Sand: Jan Irvin: Irvin: What do you know about the influence of the Rothschild family, pertaining to their involvement in the creation of World War I, the Balfour Declaration, and the subsequent creation of (the State of) Israel? Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: (un-intelligible response) Jan Irvin: Irvin: Have you found any relationship between the banking family the Rothschilds and the… Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: What is the Rothschilds? Jan Irvin: Irvin: The Rothschilds are a famous banking house, originally from Frankfurt Germany, that controls much of the world’s economy today… and many historians argue that the Rothschilds played a large influence in… (un-intelligible ). Really, I cannot express… I didn’t hear Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: I don’t know about this (un-intelligible). about it, I don’t know what you mean exactly. I am sorry. Jan Irvin: Irvin: Basically, the Rothschild family in the 1700’s I believe, began a banking house that pretty much came to take over most of the world’s monetary… Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: You are speaking about the Rothschilds’ House? Jan Irvin: Irvin: Yes. Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: The Rothschilds? Jan Irvin: Irvin: Yes. T hey never Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: No. First of all, it was one, they never dominate the world bankers. They dominate. It’s imagined, it’s an anti-Semitic myth. They have a lot … they had a lot of influence, it’s true, they have agencies in London, London, in Paris, in Frankfurt, but that family is a very very important family, with a lot of money- they make a lot of money- but to compare them to the Rockefellers, for example, is um… Jan Irvin: Irvin: What I was getting at is that some historians argue that the (Rothschilds (Rothschilds)) had a large influence on England and the creation of the Balfour Declaration, Declaration, which… Sand Storms the Middle East! World-Famous Israeli Professor Proclaims “Zionism is Stupid” in latest Interview- and not surprisingly- Ahmadinejad Agrees Agrees Page 5 of 19

Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: No, no, I don’t think that the Rothschilds were Zionists; first of all. Jan Irvin: Irvin: Hmm. Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: You know, there were differences between the (Rothschild) family in Paris and the (Rothschild) family in London. No, no, I don’t think that the Rothschilds are responsible for the Balfour Declaration in 1917. I think that its much more the interest of the British Israelism towards the end of the first world war, and their willing to dominate the Middle East. And I think it’s also… if you are looking for an ideological component in the (Balfour) Declaration, I think the Protestant background of (Lord) Balfour played much more, than the Rothschild influence. in fluence. You have to know, that the Rothschilds, basically, were not Zionists. You see, when Anselm (Rothschild)… I don’t remember exactly the year, in think in ’98, fixed a rendezvous with a Rothschild in Paris… Rothschild (in Paris) didn’t want to help him (Amschel Rothschild in London). The Rothschilds wanted to push this wave of emigration from the East(ern European countries) to Palestine, but not in an Zionist ideological state at all. The Rothschilds, were not Zionists. Now, sometimes they could help other Jews, but mostly they didn’t care a lot about a bout the Jewish people… …now there is in their family, one or two of them who are sympathetic with Zionism. Jan Irvin: Irvin: Right. Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: but as a family, especially the (un-intelligible) branch of this family, wasn’t at all Zionist, you have to understand, they were against Zioni sm. Jan Irvin: Irvin: Isn’t one of the Rothschild family members on the back of the 500 shekel bill in Israel, as the King of Israel? Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: No, I didn’t see it… I didn’t see… Rothschild? Jan Irvin: Irvin: Yes … Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: No, no, this is an anti-Semitic legend. Jan Irvin: Irvin: Really? Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: It’s an anti-Semitic legend, because you have to understand that… there is a street in Tel Aviv of the name of Rothschild, and some of (unintelligible) (unintell igible) the more and more a few of the families are sympathetic to Zionism, but basically in the 19th Century, at the end of the 19 th Century, the Rothschild Family was against Zionism. Jan Irvin: Irvin: Huh. Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: It’s not the Rothschild Bank that created Israel, it’s the authentic movement, nationalist movement…


Jan Irvin: Irvin: I’m looking at www.BankNotes.com at world bank notes, it’s a website that has images of bank notes from all over the world; and I’m looking at one right here h ere that shows Rothschild on the back of the 500 Shekel bill… it says “Baron Rothschild”, right on the back. Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: 500 shekel? Jan Irvin: Irvin: Yes. Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: 500 shekel? I never see in my life a 500 shekel.

Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: By the way, not all the things on the internet are… you know? Jan Irvin: Irvin: Well, obviously, but this is coming from the website Bank Notes dot com… …it’s probably an uncommon denomination I would suspect. Prof. Shlomo Sand: Sand: Or, it is an anti-Semitic site.

Part 3: The Analysis Finding Certainty with the Trivium Method of Thinking Critically 1. Grammar / Knowledge (Who, (Who, What, When, Where): Where): These are the facts of the matter or “basic knowledge” level. (i.e. Input) 2. Logic / Understanding (Why (Why ): ): The science of reasoning, understanding how the parts fit together. (i.e. Processing of Input) 3. Rhetoric / Wisdom (How (How ): ): The presentation of information in the the form of communication. communication. (i.e. Output) 1.

2. 3.

cli mb Grammar: Grammar: Prof. Sand omits several pieces of grammar (or basic knowledge) in order to climb out to a perspective which (at first) denied any knowledge of Rothschild involvement in Z ionism, the Balfour Declaration, and the subsequent creation of Israel. Logic: Logic: When including the missing data (grammar), the contradictions in Prof. Sand’s comments become apparent. Rhetoric: Rhetoric: Prof. Sand employs use of the term anti-Semite as a defense, which is on the surface a misnomer; and in its emotional deployment in response to Irvin’s line of questioning, it is leveled as a Red Herring to further obscure the Why of Why of the situation. This failure to give a rational meaning to the term Semite proves to play out as a use of rhetoric relying on numerous fallacies.


It will be left up to the reader to i s the purpose of Prof. Sand to obscure and reader to decide as to whether it is confuse the audience with regard to the three points of contention; or if it is i s nothing more than a miscommunication which leads to progress. In any case, that is i s not the point of this examination of this situation; we are seeking certainty pertaining to the origins of Zionism and anti-Semitism, in the hopes of understanding the ongoing conflict in the Middle East. The Tyranny of (Misunderstood) Words: Examining Grammar and Definition Since the axis of controversy is Prof. P rof. Sand’s use of the term “anti-Semitic”, let’s do a bit of research to ensure we understand what a Semite is; before we go assuming we understand what its opposite, or “anti” meaning is. Semite: 1) an Arab. Source: 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. Britannica. That’s ironic, because it seems the only group pitted against the Arabs are the Zionists; which in point of fact would make Zionists the (most notable) of the anti-Semitic groups. Referencing another popular book, The Holy Bible also provides what we’ll refer to as “traditional Biblical, speculative anthropology”, and therein presents us with this summary of the origin of the Shemites, or what we today call Semites; and it goes something like this: The 3 sons of Noah are said to have provided the racial line to repopulate the earth after the deluge. Ham (according to The Holy Bible) peopled black Africa; Japheth, Eur-Asia; and Shem, the nations of the Near East. The [mythical] bloodlines of Shem were developed in North Africa and the Near East as dark complected brunettes. The post-Noahide prophet, Abraham, is the origin of the desert monotheistic traditions, to which both the racial Hebrews and Arabs trace their lineage. Using strict term definition - these, and only these people, are the descendants of Shem, today referred to as the Semites. To quote Sand: “Thus, if the arguments of anti-Semitism were scientifically worthless, so, too, were those of the Zionist ideology that complemented them with similar reasoning.” Therefore: Therefore: Starting in 1862 with Hess’s work in work in collaboration with the Rothschild family, family, the claims made regarding the future re-establishment of a Zionist homeland (using the territory of Palestine as the new Israel); appear now in full light to be yet another ploy of misdirection. Examination of this article demonstrates that the language used in the sophisticated rhetoric, which is embedded throughout the myriad of arguments for the creation of Israel; is fraught with inconsistency and devoid of logic, reason, or rational thought. No wonder there’s such a long history of conflict over this topic; and it seems now, that none of it was truly necessary- or justifiable. Lastly, in view of the inconsistency i n definition, grammar, and logic with respect to the basic tenets of Zionism (and anti-Semitism); it is clear that the Zionist use of “traditional Biblical, Biblical , speculative anthropology” has been employed as a technique of rhetoric and misdirection, to justify Zionist actions in the occupation of Palestine. "You never change things by fighting fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." –Richard Buckminster Fuller


My Argument disputing Prof. Sand’s assertions asse rtions made with reference to the Rothschild family: Re. 1: 1: The Rothschild Banking family has been a major influence in world finance for over 200 years. The nature of this assertion is so vast and deep that it would not be in anyone’s best interest for me to attempt to pull a single quote or passage to illustrate this point; so I have decided to include the books which discuss this fact of history. The pages within each book pertaining to the aforementioned assertion are listed in full under the References section of this article. The Revival of Israel: Rome and Jerusalem, the Last Nationalist Question Question by Moses Hess, 1862; 1862; Reformed Judaism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117; Zionism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117; Rothschild, role in Zionism and Colonization of Palestine, p. 173-174 The House of Rothschild , 1934 Feature Film (nominated for an Oscar) 1911 Encyclopedi Encyclopedia a Britannica entry on Rothschild 1849-1999,, by Niall The House of Rothschild Volume Rothschild Volume 2: The World’s Banker Banker 1849-1999 Ferguson, 1998; Balfour, Arthur, p. 319, 327, 329, 350, 366, 371-372, 388, 391-95, 397, 412, 430, 443, 451-453; Balfour, Declaration, p. 449-453; Palestine, p. 27, 279-282, 445, 473-474; Zionism, p. 280-283, 449-453, 474, 489 1: Money’s Prophets 1798-1848, 1798-1848, by Niall The House of Rothschild Volume Rothschild Volume 1: Ferguson, 1998; 1998; Hess, Michael, p. 75; Warburg, Banking Family, p. 26, 285; Warburg, Paul, p. 26; Zionists, Zionism, p. 22, 26, 398 1993; Rothschild, Alan de, p. 472, 526-527; The Warburgs by Ron Chernow, 1993; Rothschild, Anthony de, p. 326, 479-480; Rothschild, Baron Alfred Al fred de, p. 32, 38; Rothschild, Baron Edmund de, p. 247, 252, 450; Rothschild, Baron Lionel de, p. 100, 350, 389, 412, 436, 480, 526; Rothschild, Baron Ba ron Louis von, p. 326, 466; Rothschild, Baron Robert de, p. 489-490, 525-526; Rothschild, Carola Warburg, p. 91; Rothschild, Eliede, p. 526; Rothschild, Eric, p. 526; 52 6; Rothschild, Meier Carl, p. 10; Rothschild, Walter, p. 219, 40, 326, 338, 342, 601; Rothschild, Willy, p. 10; Rothschild, Nathan Mayer & Sons, p. 38, 350, 358, 413, 550, 584, 694; Rothschild, Family, p. 10, 38, 100, 412, 413, 437, 545, 645 1990; Rothschild, Baron Henri, p. 114; The House of Morgan by Ron Chernow, 1990; Rothschild, Jacob, p. 574, 677, 682; Rothschild, James de, p. 5; Rothschild, Lionel, p. 25; Rothschild, Baron Louis von, p. 433; Rothschild, Nathan Mayer, p. 519, 680, 684; Rothschild, House of, p. 3, 5, 13, 36, 90, 99, 236, 304, 328, 472, 637 2002; Rothschild, Evelyn de, p. 207 Memoirs, by David Rockefeller, 2002; Memoirs, The Panic of 1907: Lessons Learned from the Market’s Perfect Storm , by Robert Bruner and Sean Carr, 2007; 2007; Morgan, J. Pierpont, p. 106; Rothschild, Lord (tribute) p. 106; see Morgan; Warburg, Paul, p. 145 Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time , by Prof. Carroll Quigley, 1966;; Rothschild family, p. 51, 56, 60, 130-131, 133, 135, 215, 246, 311, 500, 516-517, 1966 520, 525-528, 539; Zionism, p. 1064-1066; see also Israel


1978; Rothschild, Baron Edmund Trilaterals over Washington, Washington, by Antony C. Sutton, 1978; de, p. 141, 162 With No Apologies: The Personal and Political Memoirs of United States Senator 1979;; Rothschild, Anselm, p. 282 Barry M. Goldwater , 1979 Fire in the Minds of Men: The Origins of Revolutionary Revolutionary Faith, Faith , by Dr. James H. Billington, 1980; 1980; Hegel, Hegelians, p. 224-303; Hess, Moses, p. 265; Zionism, p. 263, 334, 445-446; antecedents of 162 The Anglo-American Establishment , by Carroll Quigley, 1981; Balfour, Arthur J., p. 7, 16, 17-18, 20, 27, 29, 31, 38, 41, 48, 51, 58, 142, 186, 227, 230; Balfour Declaration of 1917, p. 159, 169, 172; Palestine, Pal estine, p. 5, 169-176; Rothschild, Lord, p. 34, 37, 38, 40, 45, 48, 109, 110, 135; Rothschild and Sons, p. 190; Zionism, p. 170, 171-173 1983: Rothschild, Lord, p. 23 America’s Secret Establishment , by Antony C. Sutton, 1983: 2002; Rothschild, Alfred de, p. The Lost Science of Money , by Stephen Zarlenga, 2002; 501; Rothschild, James, p. 487, 498 Re: 2. The Rothschilds created Zionism, were influential in the Balfour Declaration, and incited the creation of Israel. Ibid. 1911 Encyclopedi Encyclopedia a Britannica entry on Zionism The Revival of Israel: Rome and Jerusalem, the Last Nationalist Question Question, by Moses Hess, 1862; 1862; Reformed Judaism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117 Zionism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117; Rothschild, Role in Zionism and Colonization of Palestine, p. 173-174 The House of Rothschil Rothschild d Volume 1: Money’s Prophets 1798-1848, 1798-1848, by Niall Ferguson, 1998; 1998; Hess, Michael, p. 75; Warburg, Banking Family, p. 26, 285; Warburg, Paul, p. 26; Zionists, Zionism, p. 22, 26, 398 The House of Rothschild Volume 2: The World’s Banker 1849-1999, 1849-1999 , by Niall Ferguson, 1998; 1998; Balfour, Arthur, p. 319, 327, 329, 350, 366, 371-372, 388, 391-95, 397, 412, 430, 443, 451-453; Balfour, Declaration, p. 449-453; Palestine, Pal estine, p. 27, 279282, 445, 473-474; Zionism, p. 280-283, 449-453, 474, 489 1993; Rothschild, Alan de, p. 472, 526-527; The Warburgs, Warburgs, by Ron Chernow, 1993; Rothschild, Anthony de, p. 326, 479-480; Rothschild, Baron Alfred Al fred de, p. 32, 38; Rothschild, Baron Edmund de, p. 247, 252, 450; Rothschild, Baron Lionel de, p. 100, 350, 389, 412, 436, 480, 526; Rothschild, Baron Ba ron Louis von, p. 326, 466; Rothschild, Baron Robert de, p. 489-490, 525-526; Rothschild, Carola Warburg, p. 91; Rothschild, Eliede, p. 526; Rothschild, Eric, p. 526; 52 6; Rothschild, Meier Carl, p. 10; Rothschild, Walter, p. 219, 40, 326, 338, 342, 601; Rothschild, Willy, p. 10; Rothschild, Nathan Mayer & Sons, p. 38, 350, 358, 413, 550, 584, 694; Rothschild, Family, p. 10, 38, 100, 412, 413, 437, 545, 645; Palestine, p. 101, 122, 247-253, 292-293, 296-305, 421, 518, 602; World War I and, p. 163, 165; Balfour Declaration and, p. 204-247, 300, 303; Jewish Immigration to, p. 247, 299, 303, 389, 400, 422, 436-437, 448-455, 465, 477, 604


1990; Rothschild, Baron Henri, p. 114; The House of Morgan, Morgan, by Ron Chernow, 1990; Rothschild, Jacob, p. 574, 677, 682; Rothschild, James de, p. 5; Rothschild, Lionel, p. 25; Rothschild, Baron Louis von, p. 433; Rothschild, Nathan Mayer, p. 519, 680, 684; Rothschild, House of, p. 3, 5, 13, 36, 90, 99, 236, 304, 328, 472, 637, gold go ld standard and, 75-76; government loans of, 25, 26, 40; insignia of, 19-20; intelligence information of, 21; miscalculating America’s importance, 40 1954; Balfour Declaration, p. X, XI, 94-99; Facts are Facts, Facts, by Benjamin H. Freedman, 1954; Baruch, Bernard, p. X, XI, 87-90; Palestine, p. X, XI, 85-101; Paris Peace Conference, p. X, XI, 94-101; Rothschild, Involvement in Zionism, p. 112-117; Rothschild, Involvement in Balfour Declaration, p. 112-115; Rothschild, Involvement in creation of Israel, p. 112-117; Warburg, p. XI, 87, 99; Zionism, p. X, X , XI, 85-116 1966; Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time , by Carroll Quigley, 1966; Balfour, Arthur, p. 131, 148, 269, 474, 475, 481; 4 81; Balfour Declaration (on Zionism), p. 148, 246-247; Palestine, p. 114; Conquest by Britain, 233, 240; Balfour Declaration, 246-247; Zionism, British, and Arabs, 1064-1066; see also Israel; Rhodes, Cecil, p. 39, 130-132, 133, 135-137, 143, 148, 151; Rhodes Scholarships (Rhodes Trust), p. 131, 139, 149, 152, 581-583, 950, 951, 953; Rothschild family, p. 51, 56, 60, 130-131, 133, 135, 215, 246, 311, 500, 516-517, 520, 525-528, 539; Zionism, p. 1064-1066; see also Israel Fire in the Minds of Men: The Origins of Revolutionary Revolutionary Faith, Faith , by Dr. James H. Billington, 1980; 1980; Hegel, Hegelians, p. 224-303; Hess, Moses, p. 265; Zionism, p. 263, 334, 445-446; antecedents of 162 1981; Balfour, The Anglo-American Establishment , by Professor Carroll Quigley, 1981; Arthur J., p. 7, 16, 17-18, 20, 27, 29, 31, 38, 41, 48, 51, 58, 142, 186, 227, 230; Balfour Declaration of 1917, p. 159, 169, 172; Palestine, Pal estine, p. 5, 169-176; Rhodes, Cecil, p. 3, 4, 12, 33, 64, 84, 127, 129, 237; wills, 33-35, 36-37, 38, 43; See also: al so: Rhodes Scholarships, Rhodes Trust; Rhodes secret society, p. 3-4, 5, 33-50; Rothschild, Lord, p. 34, 37, 38, 40, 45, 48, 109, 110, 135; Rothschild and Sons, p. 190; Zionism, p. 170, 171-173 2003; Balfour, Arthur, p. 10, 29, 46, 63, 68, 69, Paris 1919 , by Margaret MacMillan, 2003; 150, 290, 330, 394, 438, 474; on Arab territories, 385, 393, 398, 400, 405; Zionist commitment of, 410, 413, 414-418, 421-426; Balfour Declaration (1917), p. 388, 416424; Herzl, Theodore, p. 412, 420; Milner, Lord Alfred, p. 105, 393, 469, 486-487, 493; Palestine, p. 410-426; Arab claims to, 390, 409, 420-426; British control of, p. 381-384, 409, 417, 423, 424; as Jewish homeland, 382, 388, 390, 409-426; Rhodes, Cecil, p. 363, 427; Rothschild, Lord Lionel Walter, p. 413, 416; Zionism, p. xxvviii, 233, 381, 410426; Arab resistance to, 390, 409, 420-422, 423, 424-426; British support of, 413-417, 418, 421-425; development of, 411-413; Peace Conference Presentations on, 410-411, 417-421 The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Spiritual, Political and Economic Decline of The United States of America, America , by Dr. John Coleman, 2005;; Rothschilds, p. VII, IX, 4, 7, 66, 125, 196 2005 Re: 3. Prof. Sand’s emotional response and use of an ad hominem attack involving the incendiary term “anti-Semitic” is not indicative of what can be referred to as valid or accurate; rather it is the use of rhetoric to misdirect, intimidate, or otherwise dissuade conversation further on this matter. Provably, Sand’s comments (according to the interview Sand Storms the Middle East! World-Famous Israeli Professor Proclaims “Zionism is Stupid” in latest Interview- and not surprisingly- Ahmadinejad Agrees Agrees Page 11 of 19

and the transcript provided above) are in error; and instead of just saying… “wow, I didn’t di dn’t know that… let’s explore together and see where this goes…”, or the equivalent in colloquial Hebrew, he reacted with emotion, instead of employing use of intellectual capacity to learn.

My Counter-Argument defending Prof. Sand’s assertions: Re: 1. I cannot defend this assertion without being asked to forget valid facts. Re: 2. I can see the possibility of Prof. Sand’s assertion (that the Rothschilds were not Zionists) as being factual IF: IF: we can both agree on the history that the Rothschilds were intimately involved in A) the creation of Reformed Judaism, Judaism, B) the creation of Zionism, Zionism, and thus as a consequence, C) the creation of anti-Zionism or anti-Semitism; being that the Rothschilds continually worked with Arab factions (as contended by Sand) as well as funding aspects of the Bolshevik Revolution and Nazi Germany. Being that the Rothschilds were instrumental in the creation of Zionism, which thereby provoked anti-Semitism; I could see how Sand regards them as "non-Zionist". Re: 3. I can overlook Sand’s emotional reaction, reaction, as I myself have reacted to (not knowing) in an emotional way; and in the past I too might have relied on a fallacy, misnomer, or misdirection as a way to protect my ego.

Conclusion From a traditional perspective of the facts avail able, on the surface, it appears that Prof. Sand is in erroror at least severely underestimating- the gravamen of the Rothschild family in history, specifically the role they have played in the creation of Israel. From a critical thinking perspective, Sand has identified a yet-to-be named group of international financiers; who themselves do not follow any of the major religions, nor adhere to the moral standards of the masses- but rather pursues endless greed -- A group which concocts myths and creates nationalist movements like Zionism (but are not Zionists themselves), only to then manipulate and provoke the equal and opposite reaction- that being anti-Semitism- in order to achieve the synthesis provided by putting the thesis in conflict with the anti-thesis. We might consider defining a name for the group which worships greed, and is truly responsible for creating so much misdirection and chaos; now that Sand has provided the opportunity wherein we can teach ourselves to learn our way out of the proverbial wilderness. Lacking this nomenclature, we are left unable to name that which we are trying to describe, and in naming it, we take the first step toward overcoming our fear of the unknown and learning to understand as a way of life.

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References and Recommendations for Reading: The House of Morgan, Morgan, by Ron Chernow, 1990 Bio Note: Ron Chernow is an American biographer. He is the author of Alexander of Alexander Hamilton, Hamilton, The House of Morgan, Morgan, and Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller, Sr ., among other works. Chernow graduated with honors from Yale University and Cambridge University with degrees in English literature. li terature. He then began a career as a freelance journalist. From 1973 to 1982, he published more than 60 articles in national publications. Rothschild, Baron Henri, p. 114 Rothschild, Jacob, p. 574, 677, 682 Rothschild, James de, p. 5 Rothschild, Lionel, p. 25 Rothschild, Baron Louis von, p. 433 Rothschild, Nathan Mayer, p. 519, 680, 684 Rothschild, House of, p. 3, 5, 13, 36, 90, 99, 236, 304, 328, 472, 637, gold gol d standard and, 75-76; government loans of, 25, 26, 40; insignia insigni a of, 19-20; intelligence information of, 21; miscalculating America’s importance, 40 Chernow, 1993 The Warburgs, Warburgs, by Ron Chernow, The Twentieth-Century Odyssey of a Remarkable Jewish Family Rothschild, Alan de, p. 472, 526-527 Rothschild, Anthony de, p. 326, 479-480 Rothschild, Baron Alfred de, p. 32, 38 Rothschild, Baron Edmund de, p. 247, 252, 450 Rothschild, Baron Lionel de, p. 100, 350, 389, 412, 436, 480, 526 Rothschild, Baron Louis von, p. 326, 466 Rothschild, Baron Robert de, p. 489-490, 525-526 Rothschild, Carola Warburg, p. 91 Rothschild, Eliede, p. 526 Rothschild, Eric, p. 526 Rothschild, Meier Carl, p. 10 Rothschild, Walter, p. 219, 240, 326, 338, 342, 601 Rothschild, Willy, p. 10 Rothschild, Nathan Mayer & Sons, p. 38, 350, 358, 413, 550, 584, 694 Rothschild, Family, p. 10, 38, 100, 412, 413, 437, 545, 645 Palestine, p. 101, 122, 247-253, 292-293, 296-305, 421, 518, 602 World War I and, p. 163, 165 Balfour Declaration and, p. 204-247, 300, 303 Jewish Immigration to, p. 247, 299, 303, 389, 400, 422, 436-437, 448-455, 465, 477, 604 The House of Rothschild Volume 1: Money’s Prophets 1798-1848 , by Niall Ferguson 1998 (From the Cover: Cover: National Jewish Book Awards Finalist by the Jewish Book Council; One of Business Week’s Ten Best Books of the Year; “Rich and Compelling… a Feast” – The Wall Street Journal) Sand Storms the Middle East! World-Famous Israeli Professor Proclaims “Zionism is Stupid” Agrees in latest Interview- and not surprisingly- Ahmadinejad Agrees Page 13 of 19

Bio Note: Niall Ferguson is a British historian who specializes in financial and economic history as well as the history hi story of colonialism. He is the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History at Harvard University[2] and the William Ziegler Professor of Business Administration at Harvard Business School. School. He was educated at the private Glasgow Academy in Scotland, and at Magdalen College, Oxford. Oxford. Hess, Michael, p. 75 Warburg, Banking Family, p. 26, 285 Warburg, Paul, p. 26 Zionists, Zionism, p. 22, 26, 398 Ferguson, 1998 The House of Rothschild Volume 2: The World’s Banker 1849-1999, 1849-1999 , by Niall Ferguson, (From the Cover: Cover: A New York Times Notable Book; “A stupendous achievement, a triumph of historical research and imagination. No serious historian can write about politics, diplomacy, and economics of the 19 th century in the same way.” –Robert Skidelsky, The New York Review of Books) Balfour, Arthur, p. 319, 327, 329, 350, 366, 371-372, 388, 391-95, 397, 412, 430, 443, 451-453 Balfour, Declaration, p. 449-453 Palestine, p. 27, 279-282, 445, 473-474 Zionism, p. 280-283, 449-453, 474, 489 Memoirs , by David Rockefeller, 2002 Bio Note: David Rockefeller studied under John Dewey at Columbia University before graduating cum laude from Harvard University, University, doing his senior thesis on Fabian socialism.. He did a postgraduate year in economics at Harvard and then a year at the socialism London School of Economics, Economics, which had strong links to the family through his father and the family-run Rockefeller Foundation. Rothschild, Evelyn de, p. 207 Rothschild Group of Banks, p. 207-208, 212 Fire in the Minds of Men: The Origins of Revolutionary Revolutionary Faith, Faith , by Dr. James H. Billington, 1980 Bio Note: Dr. James H. Billington received his doctorate as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, and taught history for seventeen years at Harvard and Princeton Universities. Dr. Billington was sworn in as the Librarian of Congress on September 14, 1987. He is the 13th person to hold the position since the Library of Congress was established in 1800. Hegel, Hegelians, p. 224-303 Hess, Moses, p. 265 Zionism, p. 263, 334, 445-446; antecedents of 162 The Anglo-American Establishment , by Prof. Carroll Quigley, 1981 Bio Note: Carroll Quigley (1910-1977) was a highly respected professor at the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University; subsequent to his years spent teaching at Harvard and Princeton universities. Balfour, Arthur J., p. 7, 16, 17-18, 20, 27, 29, 31, 38, 41, 48, 51, 58, 142, 186, 227, 230 Sand Storms the Middle East! World-Famous Israeli Professor Proclaims “Zionism is Stupid” Agrees in latest Interview- and not surprisingly- Ahmadinejad Agrees Page 14 of 19

Balfour Declaration of 1917, p. 159, 169, 172 Palestine, p. 5, 169-176 Rhodes, Cecil, p. 3, 4, 12, 33, 64, 84, 127, 129, 237; wills, 33-35, 36-37, 38, 43; See also: Rhodes Scholarships, Rhodes Trust Rhodes secret society, p. 3-4, 5, 33-50 Rothschild, Lord, p. 34, 37, 38, 40, 45, 48, 109, 110, 135 Rothschild and Sons, p. 190 Zionism, p. 170, 171-173 Quigley, 1966 Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time , by Prof. Carroll Quigley, Balfour, Arthur, p. 131, 148, 269, 474, 475, 481 Balfour Declaration (on Zionism), p. 148, 246-247 Palestine, p. 114; Conquest by Britain, 233, 240; 2 40; Balfour Declaration, 246-247; Zionism, British, and Arabs, 1064-1066; see also Israel Rhodes, Cecil, p. 39, 130-132, 133, 135-137, 143, 148, 151 Rhodes Scholarships (Rhodes Trust), p. 131, 139, 149, 152, 581-583, 5 81-583, 950, 951, 953 Rothschild family, p. 51, 56, 60, 130-131, 133, 135, 215, 246, 311, 500, 516-517, 520, 525-528, 539 Zionism, p. 1064-1066; see also Israel Paris 1919, 1919, by Margaret MacMillan, 2003 Oxford , Bio Note: Margaret MacMillan is a historian and professor at the University of Oxford, where she is Warden of St. Antony's College. College. She is former provost of Trinity College and professor of history at the University of Toronto and previously, at Ryerson University. University. A leading expert on history and international relations, MacMillan is a frequent commentator in the media. Her maternal grandmother, Olwen Elizabeth Lloyd George, was a daughter of David Lloyd George, George, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and his first wife Margaret Owen.. Owen Balfour, Arthur, p. 10, 29, 46, 63, 68, 69, 150, 290, 330, 394, 438, 474; on Arab territories, 385, 393, 398, 400, 405; Zionist commitment of, 410, 413, 414-418, 421-426 Balfour Declaration (1917), p. 388, 416-424 Herzl, Theodore, p. 412, 420 Milner, Lord Alfred, p. 105, 393, 469, 486-487, 493 Palestine, p. 410-426; Arab claims to, 390, 409, 420-426; British control of, p. 381-384, 409, 417, 423, 424; as Jewish homeland, 382, 388, 3 88, 390, 409-426 Rhodes, Cecil, p. 363, 427 Rothschild, Lord Lionel Walter, p. 413, 416 Zionism, p. xxvviii, 233, 381, 410-426; Arab resistance to, 390, 409, 420-422, 423, 424426; British support of, 413-417, 418, 421-425; development of, 411-413; Peace Conference Presentations on, 410-411, 417-421 The Revival of Israel: Rome and Jerusalem, the Last Nationalist Question, Question, by Moses Hess 1862 From the Back Cover: “Important, as the first book to give theoretical expression to Zionism, The Revival of Israel was Israel was originally published in 1862; laying the foundations of Zionism that Theodore Herzl, founder of the political Zionist movement, would popularize four decades later.” Bio Note: Moses Hess originally advocated Jewish integration into the universalist socialist movement, and was a friend and collaborator of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Engels. He was an early proponent of socialism socialism,, and a precursor to what would later be called Zionism.. Hess converted Engels to Communism Zionism Communism,, and introduced Marx to social and Sand Storms the Middle East! World-Famous Israeli Professor Proclaims “Zionism is Stupid” Agrees in latest Interview- and not surprisingly- Ahmadinejad Agrees Page 15 of 19

economic problems. He played an important role in i n transforming Hegelian dialectical idealism theory of history to the dialectical materialism of Marxism, by conceiving of man as the initiator of history through his active consciousness. Wladimir Ze'ev Jabotinsky honored Hess in The Jewish Legion in World War as War as one of those people that made the Balfour declaration possible, together with Herzl, Rothschild and Pinsker. Reformed Judaism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117 Zionism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117 Rothschild, Role in Zionism and Colonization of Palestine, p. 173-174 With No Apologies: The Personal and Political Memoirs of United States Senator Barry M. Goldwater , 1979 Bio Note: Senator Barry Goldwater was a five-term Senator from the state of Arizona, who worked closely with Nelson Rockefeller and later disclosed the fraud ongoing, as described in chapter 33 of his hi s memoirs; “The Non Elected Rulers”. Rothschild, Anselm, p. 282 The Lost Science of Money , by Stephen Zarlenga, 2002 Rothschild, Alfred de, p. 501 Rothschild, James, p. 487, 498 1934 (Feature Film) The House of Rothschild Rothschild 1934 Bio Note: The House of Rothschild was presented by 20 th Century Fox and nominated for an Oscar; illustrates the history of the Rothschild Banking Family dominating world economics and being the first to make loans to nations. Facts are Facts, Facts, by Benjamin H. Freedman, 1954 Bio Note: Benjamin H. Freedman was a Jewish businessman from New York City who was for many years a Zionist… and so were some of his closest colleagues, including Bernard Baruch, Baruch, Samuel Untermeyer, Untermeyer, and Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. Brandeis. Benjamin Freedman was also present at the Versailles Peace Conference, Conference, and his book is a testimony to what he witnessed there. Balfour Declaration, p. X, XI, 94-99 Baruch, Bernard, p. X, XI, 87-90 Palestine, p. X, XI, 85-101 Paris Peace Conference, p. X, XI, 94-101 Rothschild, Involvement in Zionism, p. 112-117 Rothschild, Involvement in Balfour Declaration, p. 112-115 Rothschild, Involvement in creation of Israel, p. 112-117 Warburg, p. XI, 87, 99 Zionism, p. X, XI, 85-116 Trilaterals over Washington, Washington, by Antony C. Sutton, 1978 Bio Note: Antony C. Sutton studied at the universities of London, Goettingen and California and received his D.Sc. degree from University of Southampton, England. He was an economics professor at California State University Los Angeles and a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution from 1968 to 1973. During his time at the Hoover Institute he wrote the major study Western Technology and Soviet Sand Storms the Middle East! World-Famous Israeli Professor Proclaims “Zionism is Stupid” Agrees in latest Interview- and not surprisingly- Ahmadinejad Agrees Page 16 of 19

Economic Development (in Development (in three volumes), detailing how the West played a major role in developing Soviet Union from its very beginnings up until the present time (1970). In 1973 he published a popularized, condensed version of the three volumes called National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union, Union , and was thereby forced out of the Hoover Institution. Sutton's next three major published books Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Revolution, Wall and Wall Street and FDR detailed Wall Street's involvement Street and the Rise of Hitler Hitler and in the Russian Revolution as well as its decisive contributions to the rise of Adolf Hitler and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. His books became classics in the study of covert pol itics and economics in the twentieth century. In Sutton's own words he was "persecuted but never prosecuted" for his research and subsequent publication of his findings. Rothschild, Baron Edmund de, p. 141, 162 Sutton, 1983 America’s Secret Establishmen Establishment t , by Antony C. Sutton, Rothschild, Lord, p. 23 The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Spiritual, Political and Economic Decline of The United States of America America,, by Dr. John Coleman, 2005 Rothschilds, p. VII, IX, 4, 7, 66, 125, 196 The Panic of 1907: Lessons Learned from the Market’s Perfect Storm, Storm, by Robert Bruner and Sean Carr, 2007 Morgan, J. Pierpont, p. 106 Rothschild, Lord (tribute) p. 106; see Morgan Warburg, Paul, p. 145 Last but not least, this reference was submitted by Jan Irvin moments after publication of this article, received via email from someone who had already listened to the interview: NILES' WEEKLY REGISTER, REGISTER, from Baltimore, Maryland, dated November 28, 1829 "There is a report that the Rothschilds have purchased Jerusalem. We see nothing improbable that, in the pecuniary distress of the sultan, he should sale some part of his dominions to preserve the rest; or that the Rothschilds should purchase the ancient capital of their home land. They are wealthy beyond the desire, even of avarice; and so situated, it is quit reasonable to suppose that they may seek something else to gratify their ambition that shall produce most important effects. If secured in the position, (and may be brought about by money), they might in stantly, as it were, gather a large nation together, soon to become capable of defending its self, and having a wonderful influence over the commerce condition of the east--rendering again Judea deposite of wealth of the "ancient world." To the sultan, the country is of no great value; but in the hands of the Jews, directed by such men as the Rothschilds, what might it not become, and in a short period of time? The sultan is in great difficulty--Baron Rothschild was proceeding to Constantinople; and a second re-building of the temple is not among the most strange expected in these strange times, by some of the Jews."

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Trivium References: One possible path of learning I would like to bring to your attention is the Trivium Method of Thinking,, which has also been referred to as the “Lost Thinking “ Lost Tools of Learning”. Learning”. This is why we like to use the Trivium Method here at Tragedy and a nd Hope: In short, the Trivium is a method of critical and creative thinking that was utilized by intellectuals throughout human history to discern truth from fallacies; organizing grammar, logic, and rhetoric to cogently and effectively communicate ideas to others. The Trivium Method of Thinking was systematically removed from our education in the last century to effectively “dumb “dumb down” down” the vast majority of people; thereby creating super-consumers, who react emotionally, capitulate to so-called authority figures, are pretty much incapable of independent thought, analysis, and constructive communication. Special thanks goes out to Gene Odening, Odening, recent guest on the Gnostic Media Podcast; P odcast; and the messenger who delivered the Trivium Method of Thinking back to some people who choose to use it to express- rather than suppress- consciousness. Gnostic Media podcast 049 as well as episodes 050, 062, 063, 068, 069

Zionism / anti-Semitism References: Gnostic Media podcast 054: Against Zionism Rabbi Ysrael David Weiss What is truth and what is propaganda? Tonight we'll be discussing what is probably the single most controversial subject in the world today: Zionism. What is Zionism, and why is it important to understand? Is anti-Zionism related to anti-Semitism? Are Zionists attempting a world takeover, or is it just "good business"? Does the state of Israel have the right to exist? What are the local and global consequences of Zionism? What is the real purpose behind groups like the ADL? Are all Jews Zionist, and do all Jews support Israel? And what is AIPAC? This Thi s is the other side of the story that you won't hear on the mainstream news, or for that matter, just about anyplace else. In the name of free speech and stirring controversy and thinking outside the box, my guest is Rabbi Yisrel Dovid Weiss from Neturei Karta here to discuss Zionism and the end of Israel. Rabbi Weiss is the man who gave President Ahmadinejad of Iran an award for NOT being a racist and for understanding und erstanding the real dangers of Zionism. This is an interview that counters everything we've been told about Israel and Zionism, and Iran in the mainstream media. So lay your emotional arguments aside and put on your thinking caps because I've got one heck of a show for you - and please, leave your prejudices at the door. http://www.nkusa.org Defamation (feature film), Yoav Shamir What is Antisemitism today, two generations after the Holocaust? In his continuing exploration of modern Israeli life, director Yoav Shamir travels the world in search of the most modern manifestations of the “oldest hatred”, and comes up with some startling answers.


In this irreverent quest, he follows American Jewish leaders to the capitals of Europe, as they warn government officials of the growing threat of anti-Semitism, and he tacks on to a class of Israeli high school students on a pilgrimage to Auschwitz. On his way, Shamir meets controversial historian, Norman Finkelstein, who offers his unpopular views on the manner that anti-Semitism is being used by the Jewish community and especially Israel for political gain. He also joins scholars, Stephen M. Walt and John J. Mearsheimer, while they give a lecture in Israel following the release of their book “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy”, about the disproportional influence the Israel lobby in Washington enjoys. Yoav visits Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial museum in Jerusalem, the must stop for all world leaders on their visits to Israel. While in Jerusalem, he drops by the house of his grandmother that offers her insight on the issue and declares that she is the “real Jew”.


Israeli Professor Proclaims Zionism is Stupid_by Richard Grove_03-22-2010

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