WHATHE TRINITY HERESY CH 1 - IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER (PART 1) CH 2- MY RIGHT ARM I SEND & “HE” COMES….LITTERALY, ”I AM HE” & NO OTHER IT’S JUST “ME”!! CH 3 – ……………And OH yea, “GOD DAMN YOU IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IT”! CH 4 – THOU ART OUR FATHER… CH 5 – OF HEIS AND HEN (A PUN ON OF MICE AND MEN) CH 6- WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT? CH 7 – IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER (PART 2) CH 8 - “CAN WE TALK ABOUT ‘US’?” CH 9 - “ A ‘BEAUTIFULL’ LIE………..” CH 10 - “…………AND THEN SOME”
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INTRODUCTION: “… SO TELL ME HOW YOU REALLY FEEL” A good example of the doctrine of the trinity is expressed in what has become known as the the Athianasis creed. Now it does not matter if your version of the doctrine of God in three persons fits with this particular creed or whether or not you agree with this creed or any creed for that matter! This paper will address the doctrine of the trinity in all of its basic forms and demonstrate that it is heresy whether or not you hold to any particular creed or not. This particular creed here is called the Athanasius creed but it was not actually written by Athianasis. It however is a good demonstration of the incomprehensible nature and masterful art of double speak that any other version of the doctrine of the trinity will also exhibit even if they do it slightly differently or with different terms/concepts or peripheral issues on this subject. So for all the hypocrites who would denounce this or any “man made creeds” but in practice still hold to its same argumentation, conclusion and or similar logical fallacies don’t worry your version in your turn will be exposed here soon enough. In any case here it is: 1."Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic* Faith. 2.Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. 3.And the Catholic* Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. 4.Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. 5.For THERE IS ONE PERSON OF THE FATHER, ANOTHER OF THE SON, AND ANOTHER OF THE HOLY GHOST. 6.But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal. 7.Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. 8.The Father Uncreate, the Son Uncreate, and the Holy Ghost Uncreate. 9.THE FATHER INCOMPREHENSIBLE, THE SON INCOMPREHENSIBLE, AND THE HOLY GHOST INCOMPREHENSIBLE. 10.The Father Eternal, the Son Eternal, and the Holy Ghost Etneral. 11. And yet they are NOT THREE ETERNALS BUT ONE ETERNAL. 12. As also there are NOT THREE UNCREATED, NOR THREE INCOMPREHENSIBLES, BUT ONE UNCREATED, AND ONE UNCOMPREHENSIBLE. 13. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. 14. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty. 15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. 16. And yet they are NOT THREE GODS, BUT ONE GOD. 17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. 18. And yet NOT THREE LORDS BUT ONE LORD. 19. FOR, LIKE AS WE ARE COMPELLED BY THE CHRISTIAN VERITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE EVERY PERSON BY HIMSELF TO BE GOD AND LORD; 20. SO ARE WE FORBIDDEN BY THE CATHOLIC* RELIGION TO SAY, THERE BE THREE GODS OR THREE LORDS. 21.The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. 22.The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. 23.The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and of the Son neither made, nor created, nor begotten,
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but proceeding. 24."So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. 25.And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another. 26. But THE WHOLE THREE PERSONS are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. 27. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the UNITY IS TRINITY, AND THE TRINITY IS UNITY IS TO BE WORSHIPPED. 28.He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity." (The Athanasian Creed.)
This is the kind of masterful double-speak that all Trinitarian doctrinal versions must employ. This like most Trinitarians must admit it is “INCOMPREHENSIBLE” but yet it (trinitarianism) is the most “reasonable” argument they pretend. Their arguments attempt to convince everyone that the best most reasonable arguments from scriptures reach a conclusion that is “incomprehensible” and you must accept the truth of it as such. This is truly ironic, they give you their “interpretations” and theory, or models of a three person headed god while admitting it is incomprehensible but claim you must have faith in their theory under pain of damnation. No! These people are damned fools (factually in a state of damnation AND they are fools for it, because they are without excuse!) and they need to be exposed for what they are. They may have different versions and ideas of how the trinity all “works” in scripture and or reality but at the end of the day it is just the same kind of double minded (James 1:8) double speak as any other demonic doctrine. ……….choke choke cough, choke it all down…Rom 1:20. For THE INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN, being understood by the things that are made, EVEN his eternal power AND GODHEAD; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE;….. First: “CLEARLY SEEN” …”EVEN HIS GODHEAD”………Can’t appeal to “beyond the limited human mind to comprehend” …..Can’t appeal to “Incomprehensible” & or “Uncomprehensible”. This Trinitarian idea of God head is nowhere to be seen certainly not clearly by “the things which are made such that they are without excuse” (no, it is “incomprehensible” by their own pious “confessions of faith”/ arguments …?!?)….On the other hand we shall “explore” & “discover” from what IS in the scriptures what IS and can be “CLEARLY SEEN” without employing vain imaginations under the guise of humility and piety in the face of an “awesome” and “incomprehensible God” / God-head. Second: Where do folk get the idea that “the GODHEAD” is some mystical “head” that has three persons in side of it?! (as if the fact "the god head" is a mystical concept that somehow imply intrinsically a head not like your head but a special head that is multiple different persons in it ..where does that even come from?!?) In fact, the original Greek & English words used had nothing to do with "a head" or body part period. The Greek word as in acts 17:29 the Greek word is “theios” (means “godness” or godlike/divinity)Roms 1:20 “theiotes” (means divinity/ divine nature) Colossians 23:20 “theotes” (means divinity/ divine nature) 3
Where here the greek word goes into Old English as the word “godhad” which is "divine nature" was first used. Latter, in a couple of places the words & old English were translated/transformed into middle English as the word "godhede" (Middle English -hede, cognate with -hood and German -heit. Along with maidenhead, this is the sole survival of this form of the suffix) by John Wycliffe in the 1300’s. It was simply a translational transformation (similar to the Greek word transformation from Iēē sous via the Latin into English as "Jesus"!?!) While the old English word "had" and middle English word “hede” as pronounced can sound kinda like the modern English word "head" the meaning of the word “God -HEDE” has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with a head/body part period even in the English language! Incorporating the idea of a “head” (body part) into “hood” (essence or “ness”) simply and solely because the word “hede” has a similar sound to “head” from middle English to modern English is nothing more then a slight of hand transformation/ incorporation/ redefinition of terms!! But now when folks hear the word Godhead they think oooo the mystical head of God that somehow intrinsically means that God has a head with different persons “running around” greeting each other inside of it!?! The word in the text simply means GODHOOD or godness .....It does NOT mean a head with multiple personality disorder. But, this is the typical Trinitarian mindset, confusion and irrational doctrines make perfect sense while ordinary and obvious explanations will seem confusing and difficult to grasp or comprehend. Pay special attention to that 20th clause. What it states is nothing less then; each person of the trinity is God by himself but the church is forbidden to say there are three Gods….In effect, know they worship three different god persons (God is three different person who are each God with different amounts of “god knowledge” /power and authority/) to be true; believe it to be true just don’t say that that three different god persons is three different gods?!? It makes no difference whether or not you claim to hold to any creed (or “denounce all creeds; we are bible only folk”) the reality is that the only real and “substantive” argument that any Trinitarian can legitimately lay claim to for why and how three different persons who are each God is not three different gods is that they are forbidden to say it!!! That would be like me stealing your things and then claiming I did not steal them because I am forbidden from confessing that I stole from you, ergo I did not steal from you.!?! Look what fools men have become. The fact you deny what your doing does not change the fact that you are indeed doing it! Worshiping three different persons and calling it “ONE GOD” does not change that fact that you are worshiping three different gods who are each a different god person in a different location doing different things. Your not just liars and hypocrites you’re delusional beyond words. You think that if you call your pagan practices Christian then it must be so. We do not worship three different gods because that would be wrong and we “confess” that we only worship one God. That is the only argument that you can logically, coherently and consistently (Ad nauseam ) make. The Trinitarian claim is as valid as a whore (or an ancient priest prostitute) who
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“confesses” that she practices the duties of a “Christian woman of love” and denounces all forms of sexual immorality! Imagine someone comes into your home while your away, takes your things and when they are caught “red handed” they claim “look. I have confessed that I did not steal from you.” They continue with “How many times do I have to repeat myself?. I confess that thievery is wrong but we (the thieves) do not steal we “reallocated” and that is completely different then thievery. Further, we confess that we do not take other peoples things wrongfully.” What fool would believe them? When Trinitarians “confess” the worship of three different and distinct persons who are each God (with different amounts of knowledge power and authority) is the worship of ONE God they are either fools or just liars who seem to be able to find plenty of other fools who will buy their lies via the “a-la-peanut-butter sandwich” confession of “we worship one God (no matter how many different persons that god may be)”. (Jn 10:1 “…the same is a thief and a robber.”/ 2Cor 11:4 also take note of just how many times the writings of John are relevant in this discourse) I use the “a-la-peanutbutter sandwiches” reference because it is the same basic approach of trying to take something like sorcery and give it a “harmless” fun look to it or take some poison put in the apples and when people start dying claim it must have been something in the water. ” A-la-peanut-butter sandwiches” has been used as a popular children’s reference to “children’s magic” but in fact is really nothing but the “desensitization” program to make sorcery which exactly what the doctrine of Trinitarians is sorcery, seem harmless and “mystical” but not malicious ..you know…”like magic” …”these are not the droids you looking for” ..”they can go on their way”….. The thief does what thieves do and accomplishes what thieves accomplish but your supposed to accept it as “okie dokie” because, well, they confessed that thievery is wrong period and they did not do that. They Confess these “facts” emphatically!. You may not be able to “properly understand” the great mystery of what they did but neither should the fact it is incomprehensible and irrational bother you, just accept it knowing that it is the truth and or face the wrath of God’s justice to all who deny that what they are saying is truthful and good. After all, they confessed “Unity is Trinity, and the Trinity is Unity” therefore it must be true Right? They prefer to claim any contradiction(s) as just an “apparent contradictions”. This is to say they will claim there is no real contradiction, only it may look like a contradiction because of something to the effect; we cannot overcome the limited ability of the human mind to grasp the full nature of our great God. This then allows them to: (a). Feel that the contradictions are not real. If they imagine them as not real then maybe they are not real, so then there is no reason for them to question much less abandon their theology. (b) Since they now accept all of their contradictions as only “apparent contradiction” (explanations not needed) they can and now do offer this “tenacity of their faith” as an indication of just how pious and humble they are “in the sight of a awesome God”!?! Even though it looks like a contradiction, just know that it is not. They want you to take “someone’s” word for it, after all “the just live by faith”. They do not care so much that our faith is to be in the word of God not the “mysteries” that others create for everyone to accept. This does not make anyone pious or humble it makes them confused fools. It is almost impossible to wrap one’s head around how something so pervasive, so widely accepted, most of the time without doubt or second thought can be so 5
obviously damnable as the doctrine of the trinity that it can only be 2Thess 2:11”mocking” the wicked to their face.(1Kings 22:19-35) In fact, some folks seem to almost consider it a sin just to even consider any discussion on the validity of the doctrine of the trinity. Yet when examined to depth the doctrine is found to be so blatantly self contradicting, scripturally contradicting and out right incomprehensible dung of the highest magnitude that one can only come to the conclusion that either God is a universalist (everyone is going to heaven) or God has a “cruel” but very just surprise for almost everyone and anyone of any group calling themselves Christian. What makes it all the more fascinating is how so many people, even non-devout Christians, can call it “orthodoxy” almost with a “pavlovian” like quality. This is but yet another twist found in the never ending saga of the heretic’s apologetic tool bag. The “technical” definition of orthodoxy is “right thinking” however when Trinitarians use it to describe the doctrine of the trinity what they do (even if unwittingly) is associate and or use the term synonymous with the “popular thinking” or the doctrine that most “Christians” hold and of course they would reason that they do so because it is “right thinking”. This is why they like to associate the doctrine of Trinity with orthodoxy so much. It leaves their audience knowing that most “Christians” do accept it, so It also implies that it must be true and “orthodox” or for non Christians it leads them to thinking that it must be what true Christianity believes and teaches. Rom 2: 22. Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? THOU THAT ABHORREST IDOLS, DOST THOU COMMIT SACRILEGE? 23. Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 24. FOR THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES THROUGH YOU, as it is written.
I started out by saying “Almost” because if one considers the words of Christ himself then the matter of how so many “Christians” believe in certain dogmas becomes more clear and perhaps a sober excuse to re-consider everything you think you know. Trinitarians are nothing more then polytheistic pagans who masquerade as Christians (or have been tricked into believing they are Christian) and point to the fact that they have so many adherents as “proof” that they are the true church and hold to the true doctrine. Isaiah 66:4……….4. I also will CHOOSE THEIR DELUSIONS, 2Thess 2:11……….. And for this cause GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: Mat 22:14 …..MANY are CALLED….. Mat 20:16. So the last shall be first, and the first last: for MANY BE CALLED, …..
Only those who first were of the house of Israel (all of “Israel” was called) and now only those that actually “find” or “Come to Christ” are of the called. The called are defined by the fact that they have accepted Christ and the gift of salvation offered. Rom 8:30 whom he did predestinate, them he also CALLED…….. Acts 2:39…even AS MANY as the Lord our God shall CALL…..
Take note of “as many”, God does not “call ”everyone” Even still only few out of those who are called and come to Christ actually make it to heaven. Mat 22:14 continued ….......FEW are CHOSEN Mat 20:16 continued ……………………. BUT FEW CHOSEN.
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The point here is not to debate the predestination issue, but simply point out that of most people who are Christians, who are “called” only FEW are chosen worthy. Many theologians would denounce this out right and the object here is not to explore this in depth in this study but simply mention it for latter and offer it as an “excuse” for why so many “Christians” hold to so many damnable but popular views and call It “orthodoxy”.(right-thinking that gets confused with popular thinking) Most people do not seem to grasp the difference between a distinction or difference within an individual and a separate individual (or thing) altogether. Dr. James White is a popular theologian and has written many books one of which was entitled “The Forgotten Trinity” It is too bad everyone has not and does not forget it (“trinity”) Three persons is by definition a plurality of persons or three god persons not one God person and thus three people who are each God is by definition three gods not one God. In fact if "God is one" only refers to oneness in purpose then your admitting that you are a polytheist having three different persons who each are God because you just destroyed the only reason you had for claiming you are a monotheist. In fact when Trinitarians will claim they only worship one God they are in fact no different then a liar and a thief who insist he does not lie or steal. You worship three different persons who each are God and only one in purpose not one in person. That is three different persons and three different gods, as such are polytheist not monotheist (Trying to appeal to three different persons in a single being is nonsense since a person is an individual being and in any case, no such "three God-Headed monster" exist anywhere else except in the minds of Trinitarians who created it for the sole purpose of denying the truth and twisting scripture to fit their love of lies.) Many complain “you just don’t understand the doctrine of the trinity” but the truth is that these “academic fools” like to play “wack-a-mole” with their terms and concepts. This book will address all the basic forms and prove that no matter what acrobatic contortions they twist the end result is the same and their damnation is just. The fact is Trinitarians must admit they worship three different persons who are each God with different amounts of god powers, knowledge and authority who send each other around (who are only one in purpose but not one in person) is three gods not one, claiming it "really is one" does not make it true!?! This is the worship literally of another (person) Jesus (2Cor 11:4). Thus claiming “repeatedly” you are not a polytheist, is in fact just the delusion of fools and hypocrites. To be fair after much discussion with one Trinitarian preacher he actually admitted yes we worship three gods. Now most Trinitarians would deny this with their “dying breath”. The point here is this is the only honest statement a Trinitarian can make. I realized that he wanted to believe in the trinity so much that he would go wherever the doctrine would go and that no amount of logic or scripture would convince him otherwise. He had bought the bill of goods with his eyes wide opened. However, It will not take long for him to find someone who will be able to explain to him why they do not really worship three gods. It will be something to the affect that he just did not posses the understanding and terminology to get around this “paradoxical” conclusion. The explanation will of course, as they all are, will be the most irrational swath of unnecessary, self contradicting and outright false humility dung that any man has ever swallowed. But the truth is some people were made for damnation and the eternal fire of destruction. Now don’t let that bother you too much. The devil and his angels were made for destruction too, so those of you in that same boat will be with like minded company.
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The concept of Trinity would and could only be a valid concept if there were a need to explain God as multiple different persons in the first place. In the same way that a doctrine of multiple Jesus and crucifixions would be valid if there were no way to understand how all those different narratives in the different gospels, could be the same story of the same Jesus. Since there is a way to understand one Jesus in all those different narratives (the same story of Jesus told from different peoples perspectives) likewise, all those favorite verses that folks like to appeal to for a demand of multiple persons of God can be just as easily understood as one person, and there is no justification for the term or concept of Trinity". In fact there is no need to even explain what a trinity is. The whole argument for Trinity requires its subscribers to accept a need for it in the first place and then based on that "need" go about to create a doctrine of trinity to explain what it is. Where is the need to explain it? Every “difficulty” on the nature of God can be easily understood within the face value of all the statements. There is no logical need or justification to even try to explain multiple persons when everything can be understood as one person. Thus trinity fails before you can even begin to debate it. It is like a whole village coming along writing papers and trying to explain and convince everyone of their explanation for why the magic fairies in our garden are not working as hard this year. ….WAIT! You must first demonstrate that magic fairies even exist in the first place. (but remember it is not a magic fairy in the way that people think of magic fairies, these magic fairies are like the bacteria in the soil except that was determined by town council to be a heresy, so it is definitely not the nutrients and bacteria in the soil, these are magic fairies just not “magic or fairy” as those words are normally defined, because that would be silly) Likewise for trinity you have to show multiple persons first before you go trying to reinterpret every verse so as to explain them. The prevailing dogma of this day is found with heretics calling the truth heresy which, considering everything, is outright foolishness dressed up as humble and awe struck wonderment of God or couched in some scholarly acrobatic contortionist dance of context and exegesis. This would all be funny if it were not so inexcusably damnable! The issue is not about how Great God is or the fact that there are things we don't fully understand.. The issue is that God is a Great God who has described himself as "one" even using the very same allusions to his head (in heaven) and His right arm and hand come in the flesh (the son). After all man is made in the image of God so God has used terminology and His creation created in his own image. God is described as the head in heaven and the son is described as God’s right hand and arm that came in flesh on earth and the spirit within us. The fact is that there is no mention of trinity or even a demand for plural persons anywhere in the text. It is a “reasoned construct” based on faulty logic. However, it is even worse then that because it is a constructed conclusion that they must admit cannot be fully comprehended by the limited human mind. They want you to accept a conclusion that cannot be fully comprehended to be the most “reasonable understanding”!?! It is not a question that there are things we do not fully understand it is the fact that men not scriptures feel the need to come along and explain how one really means three. The root issue is not about God or the scriptures at all. The issue is about men's lack of faith in what God said about himself in the first place and then make their appeals to false humility and God's grandeur while denying the very name of the very God they say they love. (2Pter 2:1-3) 8
A NOTE TO THE PHARISSIES: I know Some will point to "fools" Mat 5:22 but miss the context 1."without a cause", which is the context 2. This is demonstrated in 1 Cor 15:36.Are you offended every time you read that, YOU FOOLS & HYPOCRITES and BLIND GUIDES!?!? (That was not just written to the church but still applies to most people in the church to this Day!) People might just want to calm down and be like Nicodemus who was one of those that Christ "called out" with the same but it did not stop that honest man from honestly searching out the matters even all the more so......Might need to ask yourself of what kind of Pharisees are you?.....ummmm Demonstrating and or showing the comparison and contrast between a sound mind/logic and reasoning verses how and why certain arguments are such outrageous and inexcusable foolishness so as to be insulting just for offering them up in the first place is the whole point to the study exercise. The books Psalms and proverbs refer to fool(s) (Foolishness) quite often. I mention Ps & Prov because they are simply making reference to a generic state of mind condition and or way of thinking and yet people don’t seem to be too concerned about how many times they use the word because they are not taking it personally when they read them. So, Why would you take it here so personally unless it somehow it applies to you??? Proverbs 8:5 - O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye FOOLS, be ye of an understanding heart… Proverbs 18:13. He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
THE SUBSERVIANT GOD Like a very bad magician who is obviously trying to get you to focus only on his left hand while unavoidably noticing that he is fumbling with something in his right hand that he will latter produce as proof that he made it appear out of nowhere, Trinitarians claim blatant self contradictions while assuring everyone that none exist. This god of theirs is made up of three different persons who are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. However, the very reasons they give for the necessity of three different persons (must be different persons because one obeys the other) invalidates the idea that those three different persons could be considered anything remotely consistent with “Co-equal”. On the one hand there must be three different persons because the father loves the son and the son obeys not his will but the fathers will, on the other hand well they are co-equal Wait…..what!?! Mat 20: 23. ....but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, IS NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it shall be given to them for whom it is PREPARED OF MY FATHER ....................................Mat 24;36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, BUT MY FATHER ONLY ………….. John 14:28: for my FATHER IS GREATER THAN I……… John 5:20. For THE FATHER loveth the Son, and SHEWETH HIM ALL THINGS THAT HIMSELF DOETH:… 15:15..for ALL THINGS THAT I HAVE HEARD OF MY FATHER I have made known unto you.. …John 5:36. But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which THE FATHER HATH GIVEN ME TO FINISH, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that THE FATHER HATH SENT ME. 1 Cor 2: 23. And YE ARE CHRIST'S; and CHRIST IS GOD'S. Isaiah 48:16. Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now THE LORD GOD, AND HIS SPIRIT, HATH SENT ME.
We belong to Christ as member of a body of Christ where as Christ belongs to God… Note the belonging or God possessing Christ just as Christ possesses the saints. This shows us ownership of that spirit and that son; So the son and the spirit are 9
subservient to Jehovah. Trinitarins do not want to see or appreciate just how devastating the fact that Christ belongs to God and is subservient to the father while also being co-equal with God..: Phillipians 2:5. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD:
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but is also the son of the same one God But also the servant of the same one God But also loves/is loved by the same one God But also not as great as the same one God et al ad fin
The fact that Christ belongs to God and is also subservient to the father but yet coequal with God. (and for other considerations looked at latter) gives us a “big clue” that the “nature” of father and son can ONLY be coherently and consistently understood as the parts of the same person. (In the same way that your head is greater then your right arm and some members of a body are “greater” then others 1Cor 12:17 same principle; Your right arm is with you and it is you not a different person!?!) ...However, to have different persons with the other two persons subservient to the one person makes a hierarchy of god persons just like the Greek gods. The only difference is limiting the number of these god persons to three in your pantheon as opposed to any other number of gods in the other pagan pantheon. It is also ironic because this is the very point that destroys all arguments for different persons (not to mention all the other passages we shall get to). and yet many will run to these verses like moths to a flame it seems. They either can’t coherently explain it or punt their conundrum to a great mystery but can’t seem to see the obvious implications. But, as we shall see, the truth is there is no mystery or difficulty here. John 5:26. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath HE GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself; 27. And [father] hath GIVEN HIM [son] AUTHORITY......................... 1 Cor 15:28...then shall the Son also himself BE SUBJECT unto him[father] THAT PUT all things under him, that God may be all in all. The Father is greater then Jesus any argument to the contrary is
simply silly and delusional! In any case, the hint should be in the obvious question “If Christ is God’s (belongs to God, subservient to God) and yet co equal with God, then Christ is God’s what?? I know your thinking God’s son right? Well the Son is God as well as the son of God, we will expound upon this more in chapter five. In any case, there are only two possibilities that exist here: 1. If Jesus is a different person then he is a less powerfully and knowledgeable person of the others persons of God then Jesus is not “co-equal” and as such a lesser person [in a different location with a different mind], which is a lesser god person. This is the hypocrisy of Trinitarians because it demands that Jesus is a person of lesser authority, knowledge and power of the other two persons of God; One person gives the other person his authority!?! If Jesus is a different person then he is a less powerfully and knowledgeable person of the others persons of God then Jesus is not “co-equal” and as such a lesser person, a lesser god; Simply saying “no, no” is denying the obvious and only logical conclusion in favor of acrobatic denials of pure pathological delusions! 10
This is the kind of self contradicting absolute nonsense that Trinitarians try to push with one hand then cover up and deny with the other. Or 2. Jesus is only part of one person God in the same way that my hand is part of me and can only know and communicate to you what I tell it to communicate …This will be shown to be the correct, coherent and consistent description and explanation we will find in the scriptures. This should be understood in the same way that a head is greater then a right hand and yet still the same person as the head, because that is exactly how scriptures describe the relationship between father as the head and the son as the right hand and arm. Your head is greater then your right arm and yet it is still the same person of you. In fact this can ONLY be coherently understood as the parts of a single individual person. No other construct works. Scriptures nor any kind of consistent “logic” is compatible with three different persons who are each God (with some persons being greater than the other persons) except for “it’s a (incomprehensible) mystery”. Is your head a different person then your right arm? Jesus is the spirit of God that animated flesh just like our spirit animates our flesh. Christ did the same things biologically (eat sleep et al) that we did because Jesus was a spirit attached to flesh (it is just His spirit was the spirit of God eternally existent, not the spirit of a man) When Christ died that spirit of God left the flesh it was animating just like ours does when our flesh dies. Jesus is God but not all there is to God; In the same way that a piece of pie is pure pie but not all there is to the whole pie. So Jesus and the piece of pie are thus equal to the rest of the pie (Ph 2:6) in terms of substance ............but not in quantity (power, knowledge et al) . The only coherent way Christ can be God and subservient to God all at the same time is if Christ is only a part of God in the same way that my right hand is a part of me (Allen) and subservient to me (Allen)and can only know and do what I (Allen) tell it and it is also Allen at the same time…..It is me and there is only one person of Me. It is just not all there is to me but neither is it three different person of me. Otherwise, only option #1 is left and then Christ would certainly not be omniscient, omnipresent, all powerful. Multiple persons would not allow for Jesus to be subservient unless one is a lesser God (a different person who is not as knowing and powerful as the other persons) or the son has the same relationship to the father as your right hand has to your head…..your head is greater then your right hand but only one person. It is quite ironic that the doctrine of trinity makes Jesus out to be a different person who has less power and authority then the other person of the father and as such a lesser God then the father. One person multiple parts some parts of me are subservient to me, just as Jesus was Subservient to the Father and did not have the power or knowledge to contradict the head which is the father. That is why the scriptures use the allusions to the head of God and the right hand of God because that is the only way to understand the nature of God correctly or logically. After all man is made in the image of God; Ironically, some attempt to point to several favorite passages to try to show that there are more then one person is present in the person of God; I say ironically, because they actually point and even help prove that there is in fact only one person of God present and that there is no need or demand for any plurality of persons. Let’s take a look here: 11
The NT and OT could hardly be any more clear about Who Jesus is and That father and son are the same person.……… NT- Jesus identifies himself as the Father OT- In That day they would call the one they “lift up” (on a cross) the Father ..and “I AM HE” OT- The one that would Rule for God and “the Savior” would be the RIGHT ARM of the person that was sending a savior…..and “I AM HE” OT- The one who is going to send a servant identifies that servant as HIMSELF!!?! ..and “I AM HE” NT- Except you Believe that “I AM HE” you will die in your sins…..
CHAPTER ONE: “IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER” PART 1 John 17:1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify THEE: 2. As THOU hast given him power … 3. .. that they might know THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom THOU HAST SENT.
NT- The son identifies himself as the Father OT- The father is identified as the son……… Christ is our High priest as well as the sacrificial Lamb of God, multiple simultaneous roles are not difficult, for the omnipresent one person of God
John 14: 8. Philip saith unto him, Lord,
SHEW US THE FATHER
,.. 9. Jesus saith unto
him, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN that hath SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
ME,
Philip? he
The "oneness" between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man and his wife, for only a fool would say "When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?" Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip.....Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? The whole point to Christ statements is that he is the SAME person as the father [you want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!]” because God is only one person not three different persons. “Ironically,” the father will in turn identify the son as the father also. Isaiah9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us upon his shoulder: and
Holy Spirit)
A SON IS GIVEN:
and the government shall be
HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful, COUNSELLER, (See PART FIVE: this
The mighty God,
is the
THE EVERLASTING FATHER,… … ( Eph
4:6. One God AND Father of all) THE PRINCE OF PEACE.
(Prince is a SON)
Isaiah 22:21. And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and
HE SHALL BE A FATHER
to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the
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THE KEY OF THE HOUSE OF DAVID will I lay upon his shoulder; so SO HE SHALL OPEN AND NONE SHALL SHUT; and HE SHALL SHUT AND NONE SHALL OPEN……… house of Judah. 22. And
This is Jesus !?!.................Rev 3: 7
These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, HE THAT HATH THE KEY OF DAVID, he that OPENETH, AND NO MAN SHUTTETH, AND SHUTTETH AND NO MAN OPENETH; ………. Rev 22:12. And, behold, I come quickly; and MY REWARD IS WITH ME, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, THE FIRST AND THE LAST…..16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things………………Rev 1: 8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY.…. 1Cor 6:17. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18. And
YOU
WILL BE A FATHER UNTO
, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
AT THAT TIME they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations SHALL BE GATHERED UNTO IT, TO THE NAME OF THE LORD, (Rev 19:13/Ps 138:2 ;This is Jeremiah 3:17
IN THOSE THOU SHALT CALL
JESUS!?!..see also Ch 7 ”in the name of the father”)
DAYS ME, MY FATHER; ( Eph 4:6.
and shalt not turn away from me 19. ..and I said,
to Jerusalem:…18.
One God AND Father of all)
Many like to point to the fact that (as we shall see and examine further latter) Christ himself had a God and a father (Rom 15:6;2Cor 1:3; 11:3;Eph 1:3; 4:6; 1 et al) as evidence that Christ was a different person then God the father. However this is truly ironic because it proves their error not validates their argument!?! There is only one coherent way in which son could be God but “not” the father and also worship God and be less than the father but still both be the same “one God” and that is if they are both parts of the same person (like a right arm and head) rather then a different persons. The fact they don’t’ see and or appreciate just how totally devastating their own argument is to itself would be humorous if it were not so pathetically ignorant and woeful. The further we move into this study the more we shall examine the differences between parts of the same individual person verses different individual persons. But in short only part of your one person such as your right arm can be both you as well as not as great as your head, only a part of you can be obedient to you (or God) while also being you (or God). Again, “ironically” as we move through this study we will find that scriptures make the very same references! So it is not about “a great mystery” of a awesome God, but rather faith in the words of a awesome God who promised to send a strong delusion for those who would not receive the love of the truth. (2Thess 2:11) 1 Timothy 6:14 …..our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing, 15. which He will manifest in His own time, He
THE blessed and
ONLY
Potentate, the King of kings and
LORD OF LORDS, who
WHO IS
ALONE
HAS IMMORTALITY, DWELLING IN UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT, (James 1:17& 1John 1:5; “alone”; this includes angels, any and all other persons, not just humans) whom no man has seen or can see, to whom BE HONOR and EVERLASTING POWER. Amen.”.
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Note, Jesus ALONE (no other person) has that immortality dwelling in unapproachable light. However, Jesus is God and is the same person as the father so for a God with three different persons this poses quite a dilemma for only the “second person of the trinity has this immortality. It is pointless to argue that this only refers to no other human person because the OT scriptures are quite clear that the son is the father!?! The Father is speaking here stating (as we shall see) that The father (the head) will send His right hand/arm and it will rule for the Father and in that day they will know that the servant that was sent to them was the father because the right arm of a man who is made in the image of God is still the same person as the head!?!? The Consequence of Trinitarian theology if Jesus is a different father or different person then the father and or Holy spirit will be fully demonstrated by the end of Ch 5. But take note of Jn 17;1-3 Mentioned in the title to CH 1 and see also “CONSISTENT COHERENCE:” section in Ch 3. Malachi 2:10 Have we not all
ONE FATHER?
(Jn 41:8/ Heb 12:9) hath not
ONE GOD
( Eph 4:6. One God AND Father of all..God is the father the Father is God;.Jesus is God Jesus is the father) created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Take careful note that there is only ONE father just like there is only ONE God; Christ is not a different kind of Creator father there is only ONE father! Jesus is the right hand of the father and as such is the father in the same way that our right hands are still just our and only one person. Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel:
GOD
, the Lord
THE LORD OUR
IS ONE. (ONE = “HEIS”) ..............It states “IS
One”………..NOT "are one" as if the Lord were a plurality of persons....... While in the next verse it uses “Are one” The difference being is that A. See “PART SIX:” on the Greek word used here in Mark 12 (the Greek word is “Heis” only refers to one person) B In the next verse uses the Greek word “Hen” (Which also refers to different parts of the same person; denotes a unity of function and purpose and does not make any demands with respect to a number of persons. this is covered in Ch six) Further, Jesus will be quoting himself in scriptures. Jesus Statement is a quote from a Scripture that was inspired by Jesus himself while and when Jesus was yet in heaven and not yet having come to the earth. However, when Jesus is on the earth speaking about himself in the flesh and the rest of him (his head) in heaven Jesus uses the “Are” plural verb. Why? For the same reason shown in “PART FOUR:” that Christ uses the third person pronoun “he” when referring to himself the creator. (see also COMMENT #5 and Ch six on the significance of “Heis” & “Hen” for expanded explanation) John 10:30.
I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE
( ONE = “HEN”)
Scriptures use “are” here because the greek term translated as “ONE” here is “HEN”. This word can denote multiple parts of the same body functions as ONE=HEN. While the Greek word translated as “one” in the previous verse is 14
“Heis” and it cannot be used in any way other then ONE PERSON when speaking of persons or entities. When two terms equally apply they can only do so in a way that they do not contradict each other. You cannot appeal to a contradiction of terms to claim a valid argument for or against. Thus, what is denoted here in John 10 is not a number of persons but simply a unity of function, purpose and or utility between the head and the right arm of God. Further its use is true and used in the same reason that if my hand in a leather glove came to the other gloves to communicate to you all about how to live, pray worship, suffer and die for me, I would point to that part of me that was the head in heaven as the greater part of me. The head (in heaven) is greater then the right hand (son) on the earth. Christ is wanting them to focus on the spirit of God not the physical flesh of God. The physical flesh is the sacrifice as Jesus said: John 6:63. It is THE SPIRIT that quickeneth; THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Jesus is not trying to communicate some multiple people here with the verb “are” He is the same person as the God in heaven but come in flesh speaking to men in flesh about himself in heaven. Since there is a distinction between the father and the son the use of “are is perfectly normal in the same way that people might say “me and my arm are not getting along right now we are having fits” It is not uncommon to men (who are made in the image of God) to refer to their parts and measures in the third person or plural tense. We have already seen how that Jesus (who is the creator) referred to the creator (Himself) in the third person Mat 19:4 “he which made them at the beginning made them male and femal,”. The use of plural pronouns only indicates distinctions but it does not demand different persons. Example “ I love my motorcycle we go everywhere”. There is a distinction between two things but they are not both persons. Another example: “I got BBQ in my mouth; my feet are in the water, and a cool breeze on my head, man we are lovin it” distinctions even in personal pronouns only demand ONE person. That is to say in all the examples only one of the distinctions is an actual person the others are just parts or other objects. This is important to know and understand that plural pronouns only demand a single person in the object; they do not demand multiple persons. And this is why so many people are so easily confused. When a text or statement uses a plural pronoun you must consult the context and or the rest of the statement to ascertain how many persons. “We”, they and us can all be used in reference to inanimate objects. So why do so many ignore the plain passages that speak to the singularity of God’s person to demand a plurality of persons? That is not how the words are used. They can refer to a plurality but they do not have to. Thus, the fact that the scriptures use plural pronouns tells you nothing about the number of persons of God!! Further, it is of upmost hypocrisy for Trinitarians to point to the many instances where personal pronouns are used for the Holy Spirit and for Christ and thus claim the use of a personal pronoun demands one person but then turn right around and deny even with the even more numerous instances (~7000) where personal pronouns are used for “GOD” . But Trinitarians are double minded (James 1:8) if they were not then by the same reasoning, using the same personal pronouns, they would have to argue even more strongly that God must be only one person! Trinitarians will demand a 15
singular individual person for the Holy Spirit because of personal pronouns is used for the Holy Spirit, but deny that God is a singular individual person when the scriptures use the same exact personal pronouns in many more instances for God!?! God the Father is a person the Holy Spirit is a person, Jesus is a person, they are all THE SAME PERSON. The head in heaven (father), right arm in flesh (son) and the rest of Gods spirit that we have access to that is not the same part as the other two parts is the Holy spirit. They are all the same singular ONE spirit of God projected and interacting with men in parts and in different ways. Obviously and logically that part of the spirit of God which is connected to the flesh that was born into this world is connected to that flesh in a way that the rest of the same spirit of God is not. Ergo, the distinctions between the Father, Son and Holy spirit are distinctions in function and of circumstance/condition of the various parts of God not differences in person!?! God is a person, the Holy Spirit is a person, Jesus is a person...the same person!?! There are only distinctions in the manifestations due to being in different kinds of universes ie spiritual & physical and functioning differently in those all at the same time. Same HE or HIM but the HE that is in heaven is also the He that is on earth but the HE on earth is subordinate and obedient to the HE in heaven because the HE in heaven is the greater part of the HE that is on earth!?! The “him” is the human that is formed when that part of the spirit of God gets connected to human flesh in a way that the rest of the spirit of God is not connected to flesh. In all cases there is the use of personal pronouns because while they are all the same person, they are in those different states ("MODES" ergo: modalism). It is the different states that make the distinctions. God is not human and does not live in the physical universe. Thus, the “He” that is in heaven is distinct (in life form) from the Human (life form) that is on earth. However, in both the physical and spiritual universe, the higher (Spirit not chained to human physical flesh) and lower (Spirit that is chained to human physical flesh) forms/modes of existence, it is the same spirit and same person in both. The different parts of God in those different universes (physical & spiritual) all referring to each other not different persons!?! It is great folly to attempt to deny that God has different parts of himself interacting in different ways at different times , because even in the nonsensical Trinitarian construct of a single one being with three different persons would demand that those three different persons be different parts to that “one being” of God . Of course there is no such thing as a single being made up of multiple persons, except in the vain imaginations of Trinitarians who coined that construct (cant find God describing that/ it is deduced via the circular fallacies of Trinitarians) for the sole reason of denying the truth and pushing their lies. Their damnation is just On the other hand, some try to argue the “oneness” here in John 17:21; Jn 14:8-9 et al is like the oneness between husband and wife however, when I look at you I do not see your wife, (they were wanting to physically look at the father and Christ told them they were Jn 14:8-9 ;1 John 1:1-2) That comparison or attempt is not even logically equivalent or valid. . There is a oneness in purpose that applies to ones head and hands and the verse that speak to the oneness between the husband and wife is talking about a oneness in purpose or flesh not of person. No one is questions the fact that the word “one” Can be 16
used in different ways …The point is about how Christ uses it with respect to himself and the father. The "oneness" between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man and his wife, for only a fool would say "When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?" ...But that is what Christ said that about himself and the father. Here, the oneness is of person not just purpose. A common mistake that people often make with respect to statements and even the broader context from which they come can be summed up in the following questions. “well which is it?” “ Is He trying to say this (oneness of purpose) or is the author trying to say that (oneness of person) ? The correct answer is that it is not a “either/or” answer but both are equally true and both equally valid. This is covered more in Ch 5 “of ‘Heis’ and ‘Hen’”. - There is a oneness of purpose between the head and the right hand unless you have some disability where it twitches and moves or not moves due to that lack of one in purpose or control (the “Dr Strangelove” condition). There is no doubt that one in purpose would also apply to my head and right hand. However, if in fact "God is one" only refers to oneness in purpose then your admitting that you are a polytheist having three different persons who each are God because you just destroyed the only reason you had for claiming you are a monotheist!...... Three persons is by definition plurality of persons or Three persons not one person and thus three people who are each God is by definition three gods not one God. You may “confess” till the cows come home that three different persons are the same God and is monotheism all day long but the fact is your either a fool or a liar but damned either way. -There is also a oneness of person. In fact, the only scripture(s) that actually use the word “person” with respect to God do so in the singular tense “His person” Heb 1:3. WHO BEING the brightness of his glory, and
OF HIS PERSON
THE EXPRESS IMAGE
, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had BY
HIMSELF purged our sins, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH;
(Job 13: 8. Will ye
accept HIS PERSON? will ye contend for God?)
Both are true and both are addressed……But you can’t take one kind of oneness to eliminate the other with…..And neither can you take a verse (such as the oneness between a husband and wife) that is not even addressing a number of persons but yet still try to use it to justify a definition of multiple persons of God . This is particularly true since when scriptures specifically speak and use the word "PERSON" of God not persons.....”learn in us not to think beyond what is written”...Trinity is nowhere. The one person of God is what scriptures refer to specifically and verbatim! Jesus is the image of Gods’ PERSON (singular), because man can’t see God, for God is a spirit. But they can see the flesh that God is animating in front of them with his own spirit. Jesus cannot be another person. He is the person of God animating that flesh that they can now see which is the “express image” of God . If I were a spirit and you could not see me and I put my hand in a leather glove or like the old shows with the invisible man who puts on some cloths or get powder all over 17
him you only see his image in the physical cloths or glove or the powder on him. In this case there is no way to see God for God is a spirit but we can see the flesh and that flesh is the only person of the one spirit of God animating it. Otherwise, Trinitarians try to argue that Jesus is the same essence as the father (agreed) but to say he is also the express image of the fathers essence means what wrt that same essence that He IS?!? (is Jesus physical appearance that express image of his essence?! Oh no. it is HIS PERSON[ality] is what is identical/expressly imaged!?!) Seeing that flesh that the one person of God was animating also goes back to the point mentioned before: Some object appealing to the “rational argument” that if Father and son are the same person then that would make Jesus is his own son. These kinds of objections are not just self contradicting but they are in fact “self-defeating”. The irony is that they do not see the hypocrisy of their own arguments?!?… (1) If there is only ONE GOD and the son is the same ONE God as the father, then YES GOD's son is GOD Himself!?!? You cant have it both ways father and son are the same ONE GOD but yet God is not his own son (the one god who is the son is not the same one God who is the father also) But that is exactly what the Trinitarian position is all about, they are playing the hypocrite they need to be on both sides of the conversation and terms they use. Jesus is “one God” who is NOT the same person so that the “one God” does not have to be that “one God’s” own son. They need God to be multiple different persons while at the same time claiming those different persons are only one God. The irony is that, if there is ONLY ONE GOD and both son and father are the SAME ONE GOD then yes God is also God’s son (God is himself, God’s own son) and having multiple different persons of God will not make the “conundrum” disappear, it only distracts you with persons on the one hand while the magician can conceal the fact that God is himself the son of himself. Trinitarians attempt to play slight of hand trick in that they want you to look at different persons so that God who comes is not the son of “himself” while at the same time claiming father and son are the same one God!?! SO, when you are asking who the son is they want you to see different persons, But when your asking how many different gods there are they only want you to see one God. In short they are distracting you with one hand while hiding their contradictions with their other hand and play both sides of the fence in terms and concepts. In any case, if the son of God is not himself (lf the same one God is not God's own son, or the son is not the son of himself) then your God is not ONE of anything but rather you worship different gods but simply call those different gods “one god”. It would be like trying to get around a law that states you can only have “one child” (such as China’s one child policy) by claiming that the three different infants born to you are all just “one toddler”. ONLY A FOOL WOULD BUY THAT ARGUMENT!?! (2) Christ is our High priest as well as the sacrificial lamb of God, multiple simultaneous roles are not difficult, for the omnipresent God. Jesus is a son by virtue of the physical birth (Lk 1:31-32; Ps 2:7; 1Jn 4:9 ) It is superfluous even fallacious to insist on a second person of God 18
because a son must be a different person then a human father because Jesus did not have a human father and God does not take a wife and have children like men do ?!?!… God via the angel told Mary that what was going to be born was to be called the son of God, (NOTE: here in Heb it states “I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?) NOT because the servant/Right arm sent is a different person then the father who sent his right arm/ “My servant” the son. Jesus is a literal son by virtue of the birth into human flesh NOT by virtue of having a different person then the father. Further, it is important to understand that there was no son of God until the son was born however that part of God himself that He considers to be God’s own hand / right arm (by which he created all things and would latter send via a physical birth) had always existed. The fact that God has distinctions between father son and Holy Spirit is not any more incomprehensible then a man with a head and right arm (that comes to “man” via a physical birth ergo called the “son of man” & “Son of God”) and a sprit that animates them all. One might be tempted to think that God actually intended for us to understand his nature by using the very creation (even in the language and terminology) that was made in that image. It appears that most everyone is looking at this all backwards. God is referring to his right hand/Arm that he sent and put into flesh and called his son/”My servant”. (because that right arm comes via physical birth) God is NOT referring to a different person who is the son as His “right hand” as in “he is my right hand man”! (3) Take note (perhaps after the reader has gone through all of the material and arguments here) of just how hypocritical the Trinitarians use of anthropomorphisms to justify why God “must be” three different persons on the one hand, while in the same breath denounce the very same anthropomorphisms when and where God claims to send that part of himself he considers to be his right arm born into the physical world via a physical birth of a woman and calls that right hand his son. No the Trinitarian denounces Christ own description of what was to be born that would be “Called the son of God” (yes son of himself) on the one hand and as a result are left embracing the unnecessary idea that God must be multiple different persons. So what God has clearly stated and described (God in the spiritual universe will send that part of himself that he considers to be his own right arm will be born into the physical world of human flesh) is just a figure of speech or metaphor but what God specifically denounces (God specifically denounces that he is multiple different persons) must be the “truth” that all men must accept according to these Trinitarian heretics. What God describes is just a figure of speech not to be taken too literally while the ideas that plainly contradict God must be accepted as “truth”. It would be fair to point out just how disgusting it is that Trinitarians will denounce what we shall see going forward (the scriptural modalistic descriptions) as heresy in favor of the nonexistent constructs in the face of their inconsistencies and incoherence while "punting" it all to “it’s a mystery” and then try to pawn that bit of
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faithlessness off as “pious piety”!?!? ……How pathetic, they might as well cry out "Allah Akbar" which is doubly ironic because: (1) That is the “polemical cry” of another group of folks who when faced with their inconsistencies and incoherence make (2) That phrase means “God is greatest” which is the same empty nonsense for why we should not deny trinity simply because it is incompressible. That “battle cry” is the only real "argument" for why everyone should except the Trinitarian nonsense because: “God is so great and past our understanding you know”!? (Except for the die hard and Trinitarians scholar, oh it makes perfect sense to them just ask them…fools!?!!) Rom 1:20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are things that are made,
EVEN HIS
eternal power and
GODHEAD;
CLEARLY SEEN, being UNDERSTOOD so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE:
by the
As this will be demonstrated further, with the next chapter but YES JESUS DID CLAIMED TO BE GOD SPECIFICLY ( However it is right to say Jesus choose his words carefully because he did not want folks to focus on the flesh that was standing before them but rather the spirit that was animating that flesh) The problem is that even most Christians either do not know or do not care what GOD said about HIMSELF …Ergo the heresy of trinity….. The Righteous Right Hand of the Lord "HE COMETH"............ " NO REALY ….'I AM HE'; IT’S JUST ME!!".... The RIGHT ARM/HAND is what is REVEALED, …What is sent and comes to SAVE US, the “SALVATION REAVEALD”, that right arm comes and gets “THE VICTORY” and will “RULE”. That right arm/hand IS "His RIGHTEOUS SERVANT" that God “MADE BARE” and was “LIFTED UP/EXALTED” and thus “BARE THE SINS of many” !?!? This is the absolute strongest case for the fact that yes, JESUS DID CLAIM TO BE GOD, COME IN THE FLESH!!… Prov 30:4. Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? ……
IS HIS NAME, and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME,
WHAT
if thou canst tell?
The OT makes reference to both “His Son” as well as His own right arm that would come and we shall see that the father and the son have the SAME NAME!?! This right arm is called son of god Heb 1:5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again,
A SON? 6.
I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME
And again, WHEN HE BRINGETH IN THE FIRSTBEGOTTEN INTO THE WORLD
THAT HOLY THING WHICH SHALL BE BORN OF THEE SHALL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD. Lk 1:35…..therefore also
Isaiah 48:12. Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I AM HE; I AM THE FIRST, I ALSO AM THE
MY RIGHT HAND hath spanned the heavens: … THE LORD HATH LOVED HIM: (His own right arm is the “HIM” that he had loved!: Jn 17:5,24-26; 15:9; ) … and HIS ARM SHALL BE on the Chaldeans. 15…, I have called HIM: I have brought HIM, and he shall make HIS way LAST. 13. MINE HAND ALSO HATH LAID THE FOUNDATION of the earth, and
prosperous.
It is literally “the only BEGOTTEN” (birthed/unique via natural birth) “SON” (because was birthed was male human flesh) “OF GOD” (belonging to or the 20
“personal possession” of God) in the same way that you/your spirit occupies and “owns” your human flesh. The difference is that the spirit in you animating your human flesh was created where as the spirit in the human flesh called Jesus was simply that part of God’s own self that he considers to be his right arm that created all things and what our own right arms were patterned after. Man made in the image of God not different persons. Understanding that the right arm is put into a glove of human flesh is why when Jesus states I AM HE that can could only be taken as saying I AM GOD because it was GOD who stated “I AM HE”, (it is literally that part of God’s essence that God considers to be his own right arm put into human flesh; man I made in the image of God) the only savior who will come to save you in that day you will know “I AM HE” the speaker is God and Jesus is the claimant of that statement very specifically and unambiguously. The servant to come is identified by the one who sends that servant as HIMSELF!?!.....Trinitarians denounce modalism as a heresy but God uses by definition modalism to specifically describe and define himself (the who and what would come to save man0 Jesus himself lays claim to that mode and refers to these very same passages when he states except ye believe “I am he” ye will die in your sins...…If you do not accept the modalistic God that was Jesus you will die in your sins.. “hello anybody out there”…. What shall be demonstrated is the fact that while the Trinitarians will claim to have a pure and true love for God the reality is that everything they profess is a denial of the modalism (and even the specific terms used in the text demands that God is ONLY one person) that God specifically uses to describe himself. ….brings Prov 26:12 to mind THE TRINITARAIN “ONENESS” Simply claiming that NO, no you just do not understand it is NOT 1+1+1 but rather it is 1x1x1 is inexcusably absurd pure imagination that has no basis in the creation made in the very image of God that God uses to describe his own nature with!?! (2Tim 4:4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.; one can only wonder why these trinitarians think that does not apply to them?!?...... Describing the magic fairies in my garden even explaining in great detail how they all live and work together to make my garden green does not make them real no matter how many “healthy plants” (true facts) I may point to as evidence that “prove” they are real and must be “working hard this year”…............Three different persons is 1 person +a different person + a different person = 3 different persons who each and differently have different amounts of god knowledge power and authority that send each other around…that is three gods not one no matter how delusional a PERSON may insist on “BEING” (pun intended; a person is a being)... Especially after God promised to send delusions 2Thess 2:11.. God shall send them STRONG DELUSION) a strong delusion is not a weak deception but a strongly desirable belief that one holds even in the face of the obvious facts and reality to the contrary…but oh no folks like them count their refusal to let go of their delusions as piety and faithfulness in the face of “the enemy”. This is fitting I suppose because you have made the truth and God himself your enemy…… 21
The following diagram depicts three different animals, three different humans and the Trinitarian result of three different persons in a “godhead” (Three different persons who are each God is no different then three different persons who are all Human or three different pets that are all animals ) Bill, Jack and Jill are three different persons but "NOT ONE HUMAN BEING" (not one being).....Cat, Dog and Mouse are three different pets each with their own "personality" , They are "NOT ONE ANIMAL"(not one being)...............To claim that father son and holy spirit are three different persons is "NOT ONE ELOHIM".......nor is it ONE GOD"..........Nor is it "ONE DIVINITY" .............Angels and demons are all called Elohim because ELOHIM is a classification jus like HUMAN or ANIMAL. Thus, three different Elohim persons can never be anything but a pantheon of Elohim gods for delusional pagans who pretend to be Christian. There is no such thing as ONE BEING that is three different persons. ELOHIM, HUMAN & ANIMAL are all classifications of life they are not names. Refer back to 8 for the proof that many persons are called Elohim angels demons even dead people. The point of the chart should be very clear unless you are confused by the linguistic contortions and acrobatics of the doctrine of trinity which all things considered should not be so surprising since it is by definition "INCOMPREHENSIBLE" (incoherent & inconsistent) It is no wonder then that the thinking of those who cannot grasp the significance here is also "INCOMPREHENSIBLE" (incoherent & inconsistent) Running around calling three different cars “ONE VEHICLE” or “THE VEHICLE (“GOD HEAD”) does not force reality to conform to your "confessions (or professions) of Faith". A person is a “BEING” but three different persons is NEVER considered a being.....Likewise calling your three different god persons with different amounts of god knowledge wisdom and authority ONE God is simply delusional. (2 Thess 2: 11) Three gods is not one god no matter how much or how hard you confess it or want to believe that you only worship one God any more so then a prostitute, who claims/ confessing (ad nauseum) that pagan worship and or immoral practices are not immoral and that she denounces all forms of sexual immorality will not magically make the whoredom suddenly an expression of "good works"!?!.....ONE animal is ONE being....ONE PERSON is ONE BEING.
While there may be many different animals or persons in the various different kinds of BEINGS the fact is that .just because there are different kinds of being is not a logical argument for: therefore a being can be made up of different persons. A "kind of BEING " is NOT the same as a BEING; one denotes TYPE or difference while the other denotes NUMBER OF. These CANNOT be used synonymously!?! So to say that there are many different persons who are HUMAN BEING is NEVER a logical justification for therefore a human being (even "theoretically") could be a reference to multiple different persons!?! ONE animal is ONE being (while animal is one type of being)....ONE HUMAN/PERSON is ONE BEING(while human is one type of being) ONE Angel is one Elohim which is ONE person which is ONE being.....These kinds of arguments hold no water and only shows the lengths to which trinitarins will attempt at linguistic contortions to try to justify a incoherent and heretical position at any and all cost of reason, logic or scripture et al ......
To have different persons each with their own unique spirit or person from the other two persons and subservient to just one of those spirit-persons makes a
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hierarchy of god persons just like the Greek gods. The only difference is limiting the number of these god persons to three as opposed to any other number in the other pagan pantheon of gods. Simply, claiming “no it is not a pantheon of gods. We confess God is one nature/substance/being with three different persons (composing the god-head)”, simply moves the location of your pantheon from Mt Olympus up to heaven into God’s head (but the pantheon is still there, Further, having multiple persons in one head is a mental illness it is not “divine”) !?! In any case, the hint should be in the obvious question “If Christ is God’s (belongs to God, subservient to God) and co equal with God, then Christ is God’s what?? Correct Answer: His right arm that came in the flesh via a physical birth ergo called the son of God. And His spirit that came to them in the flesh, all the same person. Ps 2:1. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?.........
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CHAPTER TWO: ….MY RIGHT ARM I SEND & “HE” COMES….LITTERALY, ”I AM HE” & NO OTHER IT’S JUST “ME”!! FOLLOW THE PRONOUNS
MY(THE SENDER) SERVANT(SENT) I (THE SENDER) KNOW BELIEVE ME (THE SENDER) UNDERSTAND I (THE SENDER) AM HE: (The Isaiah 43:10.Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and WHOM
HAVE CHOSEN: that ye may
and
and
,
that
“I am he” IS “me”) The Same person who is speaking in this passage, sending his servant is claiming that HE is that servant that will be sent!?! Yes there is a distinction between father and son just like there is between head and right arm but in both cases the right arm and the head as well as the father and the son are still the same person!!.....before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11. I, even I, am the
BESIDE ME (THE SENDER) THERE IS NO SAVIOUR…(NOTE: Acts 4:12 there is none other name under heaven given Lord; and
among men, whereby we must be saved...What is that name and who is it?..)….. 13. Yea, before the day was
I AM HE; (The “I am he” IS “me”)
Isaiah 43:10………..that ye may
KNOW
Isaiah 43:10……….. and
BELIEVE ME, (THE SENDER)
Isaiah 43:10……….. and
UNDERSTAND
Isaiah 43:10……….. that
I AM HE: (The “I am he” IS LITERALY “me”)
John 8:24. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for
IF YE BELIEVE
NOT I AM HE, DIE IN YOUR SINS WHEN LIFTED UP THEN I AM HE, that
ye shall
ye have
that
…. 28. Then said Jesus unto them,
the Son of man,
shall ye
KNOW
and that I do nothing of
Some have asked where did Jesus specifically say "I AM GOD"...Ok, consider, If you ask me are you the preacher I might say yea "I am he"; that is just a generic reference that could apply to anything ....HOWEVER, Jesus is making specific scriptural references and laying claim to where GOD himself claimed 25
to be "I AM HE" when he describes the right arm that would come......It was no different then if you ask someone right now are you that part of God that God called his own right arm? and they responded with "I AM HE" that would be same as them saying I AM GOD..I AM that right arm......The reference Jesus uses is a specific reference to being God......When Christ lays claim to “I AM HE” it was the same as saying God said about himself " I AM HE" …and you need to know and believe that “I AM HE” refers to me and as such is a specific claim to being God....!?! Lest the subtleties of what is being said here escape you let me speak plainly: The “I am he” IS LITERALY the same person “me” that is going to send…………. Isaiah 40: 9. O ZION, THAT BRINGEST GOOD TIDINGS, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, BEHOLD YOUR GOD!
THE LORD GOD WILL COME HAND HIS(The Father) ARM (The Servant that is sent) SHALL RULE FOR HIM: (The person speaking who sends His right arm to Rule) HIS 10. Behold,
with strong
and
behold,
REWARD IS WITH HIM, (The
“him” here is identified as the right arm that shall come and rule; also Rev 22:12 my reward is with me) and his work before him. The ARM of God is doing the ruling “FOR” the speaker here and coming with the reward (Aka 2nd coming of Christ)…..The NT tells us the reward is with Jesus (Rev 22:12; see also here Isaiah 62:11; Ps 98:2; ) but Isaiah tells us that it is the arm/ hand of the FATHER Again note the speaker, who Identifies himself as Jehovah/Yahweh states that HE, Himself will be pierced. Zechariah 12:1. THE BURDEN of the word of the Lord FOR ISRAEL, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. 2. Behold, I will make
WHEN THEY SHALL BE IN THE SIEGE (Acts 2:16-21 & Joel 2:28 TO 3:1-3) both against Judah and against Jerusalem.(Joel 3:1) 3. And IN THAT Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about,
DAY will I make Jerusalem a burdensome … 4. IN THAT DAY, saith the Lord…. 6. IN THAT DAY will I make the governors of Judah….8. IN THAT DAY shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem ; and he that is feeble among them AT THAT DAY shall be as David; and THE HOUSE OF DAVID SHALL BE AS GOD, AS THE ANGEL OF THE LORD before them. 9. And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem 10. And I WILL POUR UPON THE HOUSE of David, and upon the inhabitants of
THEY SHALL LOOK UPON ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, ( Jerusalem, THE SPIRIT OF GRACE (Acts 2:16/Joel 2:28-ch3:1,2,12,16) and of supplications: and
Rev 1:7) and THEY SHALL MOURN for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be
in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.11. IN THAT DAY,shall there be
A GREAT
MOURNING IN JERUSALEM(Mat 24:30/ACTS 2:5; Amos 9:5; Rev 18:11;), as the mourning of Hadadrimmon IN THE VALLEY OF MEGIDDON. (Rev 16:16 Har-Meggiddon) 12. And THE LAND SHALL MOURN, (Mat 24:30/ACTS 2:5; Amos 9:5; Rev 18:11;) every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
This is not difficult to understand in the context of a head that performs one role while the right arm of the same person fulfills a different role attached to flesh come into the physical world via a birth. God is the God of the son of God as well as being the son of God, for the very reason that it is different parts of the same person that is carrying out different roles and duties. Remember, 26
Jesus is not just our High priest (who went into the holy of holies to offer his own blood Heb 9:12) but he was also the very sacrificial Lamb of God that gave that blood up to the high priest. Thus, multiple different simultaneous roles such as father and son as well as High priest and the sacrificial lamb is not a “difficulty” for God but rather only a difficulty for the “faith” that men fail to demonstrate. That is why they would rather give every explanation under the sun for who the father and son are except for the very explanation that God himself Gives. They by their doctrines and actions call God a liar because they do not believe that the father is the son even though on the other hand they either ignore or confess that the son of God is God. So either God is not one God or the alternative is all that is left, which is God is God’s own son!?! Of course that would make absolutely no sense if you speak of Father and son as two different persons but it does make perfect sense if you understand that father and son are the distinction of PARTS of the same Person who is God fulfilling different roles simultaneously. This is what the scriptures describe and define for us. The father is that part of God that send’s commands instructs and teaches his own right arm born into human flesh ergo called son of God what to say and do. The son of God is that part of God that God considers to be his own right arm that comes into the physical world and connects to flesh in a way that the rest of God is not (like a hand in a leather glove) . Isaiah 48:12. Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; LAST.
13.
MINE HAND
RIGHT HAND
I AM HE
; I AM THE FIRST, I ALSO AM THE
ALSO HATH LAID THE FOUNDATION of the earth, and
hath spanned the heavens: when
I
MY
call unto them, they stand up together. 14. All ye,
assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things?
THE LORD HATH
LOVED HIM: (His own right arm is the “HIM” that he have loved!: Jn 17:5,24-26; 15:9; ) HE HIS ARM SHALL BE CHALDEANS HIM HIM, HE HIS will do his pleasure on Babylon, and
on the
. 15. I, even I, have spoken; yea, I HAVE CALLED
and
shall make
: I have brought
way prosperous. 16. Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in
secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his spirit, hath sent me. 17. THUS SAITH THE LORD, thy Redeemer, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; I AM THE LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. Isaiah 66:4. I ALSO WILL CHOOSE THEIR DELUSIONS, (2Thess 2:11). 14. And WHEN YE SEE THIS, YOUR HEART SHALL REJOICE, … and THE HAND OF THE LORD SHALL BE KNOWN TOWARD HIS SERVANTS, and HIS INDIGNATION TOWARD
HIS ENEMIES
.15. For, behold, THE LORD WILL COME WITH FIRE,
…. and his rebuke WITH FLAMES OF FIRE. Exodus 15:4. Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea. 5. The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone. 6. THY RIGHT HAND, O Lord, IS BECOME GLORIOUS in power: THY RIGHT HAND, O Lord, HATH DASHED IN PIECES
THE
ENEMY. Rev 2:27. And HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON; as THE VESSELS OF A POTTER SHALL THEY BE BROKEN TO SHIVERS: even as I received of my Father.
God is speaking of his own right arm (and even personifies that right arm with the personal pronouns “HE”, “HIS” and “HIM”) that will come to save man that will come 27
to rule over man but that right arm will come into flesh formed to be the servant the man Jesus. Thus Jesus is nothing but that part of God that God considers to be his right arm that comes into human flesh. God speaks of his right arm that would come in the third person “HIM” in the same way that people do about their own parts of their body not because it is a different person then the speaker. The speaker here point blank identifies that it is himself that is coming, that is will be his own right arm that comes to be the servant of the God who sends his right arm to man in the form of human and in flesh.. The speaker identifies himself as the “I AM HE” as well as identifies himself as the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL who would come via his own right hand to man. To hold to the doctrine that the first person sent a second or different person to save man is heresy. His right arm IS His manifested in the flesh servant to come that would save!?! Isaiah 49:2. And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow OF HIS HAND HATH HE HID ME, and made me a Polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3. And said unto me, THOU ART MY SERVANT, O ISRAEL, in whom I will be glorified. 4. Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God. 5. And now, saith the Lord that FORMED ME from the womb
TO BE HIS SERVANT, (that
right arm is coming and will be “formed” in flesh to be the servant of God, your right hand is with you and it is you, it can only know and do what you your head tell it to do, It is obedient to you and yet it is you or coequal with the rest of you. This is the nature of God. Trinity of God in three different persons is not jut heresy but blasphemy and pagan idolatry!!) to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength. 6. And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that THOU MAYEST BE MY SALVATION unto the end of the earth. 7. Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, AND HIS HOLY ONE, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL, and he shall choose thee. 8. Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; 9. That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. 10. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. 11. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
Isaiah 52:1. .. 6.Therefore MY PEOPLE SHALL KNOW MY NAME: therefore they shall know
DAY
that
I AM HE
that doth speak: behold,
IT IS I.
IN THAT
7. HOW BEAUTIFUL UPON THE
MOUNTAINS ARE THE FEET OF HIM THAT BRINGETH GOOD TIDINGS,….. 10.
THE LORD HATH
MADE
BARE HIS HOLY ARM IN THE EYES OF ALL THE NATIONS; (Christ is what was and in this very context that which was made bare or made manifested of God!?!?! EXPRESS IMAGE of the person [singular] invisible God Heb 1:1-3; 1 Tim 3:16; 1Peter 1:20; 1Jn 1:2; 3:5&8 [note “son” by virtue of the physical birth Lk 1:3132; Ps 2:7; 1Jn 4:9]) Psalms 98:1. O SING UNTO THE LORD A NEW SONG; marvellous things:
(Revelation Ch 5:9 & 15:3) for he hath done
HIS RIGHT HAND,
and
HIS HOLY ARM,
(Christ is that right hand and holy arm of God that god used to create all things in the same way we do with our right hand and arm)
HATH
GOTTEN HIM (The person speaking who sends His right arm)
THE
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(1Cor 15:52-57 Take note the right arm [which is Jesus} got the victory!!. Jesus Got the victory for us and for God because Jesus is nothing but VICTORY.
the right arm of God come in the flesh)
2. The Lord hath
HIS SALVATION: (Lk 2:20..JESUS!?!?)
MADE KNOWN
his righteousness hath he openly shewed IN
THE SIGHT OF THE HEATHEN. (Rom 16:25-28) …….. 7. Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. 8. LET THE FLOODS CLAP THEIR HANDS: let the hills be joyful together 9. Before THE LORD: FOR HE COMETH, TO JUDGE THE EARTH: WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL HE JUDGE THE WORLD AND THE PEOPLE WITH EQUITY.
Psalms 118:16
THE RIGHT HAND
of the LORD is
EXALTED (”lifted
up” John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me 33. This he said, signifying what death he should die.):
HAND
THE RIGHT
of the LORD DOETH VALIANTLY. …… 22 THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REFUSED IS
BECOME THE HEAD STONE OF THE CORNER…………..This
is ALL about the Christ ( Lk 24:44…
and IN THE PSALMS, concerning me.) John 8:24. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for
I AM HE, LIFTED UP that
ye shall
DIE IN YOUR SINS…. 28.
the Son of man,
THEN
IF YE BELIEVE NOT WHEN KNOW I AM HE,
Then said Jesus unto them,
shall ye
ye have
that
and that I
do
Isaiah 53: 1. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is
THE ARM OF THE LORD
REVEALED?
...............8. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his
generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: FOR THE TRANSGRESSION OF MY PEOPLE WAS HE STRICKEN. 9. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. 11. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall
SERVANT
MY RIGHTEOUS
JUSTIFY MANY; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the
great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and
HE BARE THE SIN OF MANY
, AND MADE
INTERCESSION FOR THE TRANSGRESSORS. Isaiah 41:10. Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, yes, I WILL HELP YOU, I will uphold you WITH
Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus
is is is is
the the the the
one one one one
God God God God
MY RIGHTEOUS RIGHT HAND
.'
but is also the son of the same one God But also the servant of the same one God But also loves/is loved by the same one God But also not as great as the same one God et al ad fin
This is only Coherent taking Jesus, the savior and ruler as the right arm, at literal face value. To ascribe “God” to three different persons makes a pantheon of different gods as well as creates contradictions and oxymoron’s simply ignoring these facts 29
and calling it “your faith in God” only demonstrates 2Thess 2:11. It does not make you pious and faith-filled!?! Exodus 15:4. Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the
THY RIGHT THY RIGHT HAND,
Red sea. 5. The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone. 6.
HAND,
IS BECOME GLORIOUS in power: O Lord, HATH DASHED IN PIECES THE ENEMY. O Lord,
HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON; as THE VESSELS OF A POTTER SHALL THEY BE BROKEN TO SHIVERS: even as I received of my Father. Rev 2::27. And
Isaiah 66:4. I ALSO WILL CHOOSE THEIR DELUSIONS,
(2Thess 2:11). 14.
And WHEN YE SEE THIS, YOUR HEART
THE HAND OF THE LORD THE LORD WILL COME WITH FIRE, (again this is a reference to SHALL REJOICE, and YOUR BONES SHALL FLOURISH like an herb: and
SHALL BE KNOWN TOWARD HIS SERVANTS, and HIS INDIGNATION TOWARD HIS ENEMIES.15. For, behold,
Jesus!?!?..2Thess 1:8) and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke WITH FLAMES OF FIRE……..
The right arm-Jesus is coming with fire, not a different person; a distinction is NOT a different person. Psalms makes the same point that the right arm of the person who sends his own right arm, is the same person that comes to save. The right arm is “the savior”. Man is made in the image of God. Your right arm is a distinction from your head or the rest of you but it is NOT a different person!?! Isaiah 62:8
THE LORD HATH
SWORN BY HIS RIGHT HAND, AND
BY THE ARM OF HIS STRENGTH, …. THY SALVATION COMETH; BEHOLD, HIS REWARD IS WITH HIM, 11. Behold, THE LORD HATH PROCLAIMED UNTO THE
END OF THE WORLD, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold,
(This is Jesus the right arm of God not a different person then the father!?!)
…
Take note of the Fact that the book of Revelation is recorded by the apostle John also!?! Rev 22:12. And, behold, I come quickly; and
MY REWARD IS WITH ME I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING
, to
give every man according as his work shall be. 13.
AND THE END, THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
BECAUSE HE COULD SWEAR BY NO GREATER, HE SWARE BY HIMSELF, Heb 6:13. For when
GOD MADE PROMISE to Abraham,
God swore (and showed us how to live, pray, suffer and die) by His right hand and arm which is himself! In the same way that my right arm and hand are “myself” even though I am still greater then either my hand or my arm and they too can only communicate what I tell them to. Since man is made in the 30
image of God you would think that folks would want to start with that concept to apply first, rather then invoking the number three or the word Trinity entirely unnecessarily, into a God that is quite clear about the fact that He is only one person..…My right hand IS me and is WITH me (Jn 1:1).….WOW, imagine that!?!? Distinctions are not multiple persons. The fact that God has distinctions between father son and holy spirit is not any more incomprehensible then a man with a head and right arm and a sprit that animates them all. One might be tempted to think that God actually intended for us to understand his nature by using the very creation (even in the language and terminology) that was made in that image. It appears that most everyone is looking at this all backwards. God is referring to his right hand that he sent and put into flesh as his son. (because that right arm comes via physical birth) God is NOT referring to a different person who is the son as His “right hand” as in “he is my right hand man! You cant claim to believe that "I am HE" if you believe in the trinity because Trinity holds God in three different persons who are each God ...so to you Jesus is not “HE” but "some other person" sent by “HIM” (the first person) !?! Lk 1: 35 that HOLY THING which shall be born of thee shall be CALLED the Son of God .......What is that "Holy Thing"?? (Heb 1:5… And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?)...The scriptures insist that God sent a part of Himself (His one person) that God calls his right arm, God also called that same part of himself the word of God . He also called that same part of himself the lamb of God, into flesh born of a women ergo son of God. This is the logical demand of the scriptures. The scriptures refer to the one that was coming and in that day they would know that God had sent his right arm to them and they would know that "I AM HE”. Your right arm is you it is fully you but it is not all there is to you. The father is greater then the son in the same way that the head is greater then the right arm, man is made in the image of God and God uses that very image of his creation to describe His own nature. How comprehensible is that.!?! Therefore, except that you believe that Jesus is the right arm which is also the same person as the father you will die in your sins and your damnation will be just! God is swearing by Himself the part of Himself (right hand/ arm) that was used to create all things. Likewise and In the same way that we can ask the same question In the next passage and get the same answer. We could also ask the question who is God swearing to?.....God as one person (the only high and great person) or swearing to and by Himself because there is nothing else in creation higher or greater then that right hand and arm that created all things.. The scriptures are quite plain here God is swearing by his own right arm which is HIMSLEF!!!. Like wise the following should not be too difficult even for simple minded men to understand.. There is no point to try to argue that this is “just an analogy” because after all there is little difference between appendages’ and attributes. Except for the fact that one is how the scriptures refer to the nature and the other is a Trinitarian “escape-goat”. Man is made in the image of God and God uses these exact terms to describe and define his nature. You right arm is distinct from your head...It is with you and it is you....Your head is greater then your right arm (the father is greater then I).....your right arm can only know, do and communicate what your head tells it to, (Jn 8:28) unless it feels pain and then it lets the head know..."i do not 31
like this"...so the hand wants to pull away from the needle but your head tells it no stay there it if for the best. (not my will but thy will be done) Jesus is nothing more then that part of God that God considers to be his right arm come in the flesh. How curious that everyone seems to have never read or heard (certainly never meet the metric of “know and understand”) that God states he is going to send his right arm and in that day they would know "I am he". Take note, the speaker who is going to SEND his right arm states that it is HIMSELF that is coming; in another passage the speaker who is going to SEND a servant states that it is HIMSELF. The person who sends the servant is the servant that comes. Your right arm does the bidding of your head and by your right arm all things that you make are created also. When I sit down my right hand (an object) is “at my right hand" (a location). Take a look at the diagrams in Chapter six which conceptualizes the whole idea of "where God is". There are many other things we shall continue to explore in this study and once you see it you should realize just how simple it all really is. Then your next question will be “how come then so few or almost no one ever saw all this before”; to which i suggest (A) a few have (B) 2 Thess 2:10-11........................ How "Ironic” (hypocritical) that Trinitarians will try to deny the scriptures use of God literally sending His right arm (even ridiculing that) because of its Anthropomorphic implications and yet that is the exact bases for all Trinitarian arguments. It is the anthropomorphic descriptors that the Trinitarian hypocrites try to use as reasons for arguing a demand for multiple/three different persons of God (ie. had to be multiple persons so that God was not praying to himself et al. The Question must be asked, “How many other Gods is there for the one God to pray [or swear] to?!?! God could swear by no greater then Himself, nor could their be any higher authority to hold God to his own oath...!?!) God is one person who only sent a part of himself called his right arm via a physical birth ergo called his son to teach us how to live pray, suffer and die to HIMSELF!?!....well, he certainly did not come to teach us how to pray and die to some other god????..... If God is one God the of course he was praying to himself. However, if one person who is God is praying to anther more powerful person who is also God, then God is not one God . .(And then you are either a outright fool or lying to yourselves in claiming you worship one God)... These fools will walk right into the fire of hell thinking they are honoring God . “I NEVER knew you”…get ready for it, your turn is coming soon enough so get your “Shocked and surprised face” all ready to go. Your theology is utter foolishness and hypocrisy. It is justly fitting that just like those wrestling entertainers (actors) who so “eloquently” perform their fake faces of surprise and shock, that you prepare yours for the real thing because of your “acting” (hypocrisy)!……. Your damnation is just! Jeremiah 16:21. Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will
KNOW MINE HAND
CAUSE THEM TO MY NAME
and my might; and they shall know that
is The
Lord.
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. THEY PROFESS THAT THEY KNOW GOD; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM Titus 1:16
, being
abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Proverbs 30:4 WHO HAS ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN, OR DESCENDED? Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
WHAT IS HIS NAME, AND WHAT IS HIS SON’S NAME, Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth?
If you know?
Isaiah 53: 1. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is
THE ARM OF THE
LORD REVEALED?
...............8. … for he was cut off out of the land of the living: FOR
THE TRANSGRESSION OF MY PEOPLE WAS HE STRICKEN…. 11. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall
MY RIGHTEOUS SERVANT HE BARE THE SIN OF
JUSTIFY
MANY; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12. …. and
MANY
, AND MADE INTERCESSION FOR THE TRANSGRESSORS.
THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and
2. The same was in the
beginning with God.
HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD; Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and
Psalms 138:1. I Will praise thee with my whole heart: BEFORE THE GODS WILL I SING PRAISE UNTO THEE. 2. I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for
THOUS HAS MAGNIFIED THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME.
God said he would send a strong delusion...and they should have considered the fact that father son and Holy spirit all identify each other as the same person or as themselves; Father claims to send his own right arm and that right arm claims to be the father so on and so on. Man is made in the image of God and that is the way and the terms that God specifically uses...so why can’t they understand it and accept it that way? I will tell you why, because it is incompatible with the idea that God is multiple different persons and they are trying to support that idea (as James white says: “I Love the trinity”) They are all just deceiving themselves. Their faith is in their own chosen interpretations and constructs that they have constructed for themselves in spite of the clear ones that God has already laid out. It is simple and it is clear but the problem is that those who support trinitarianism do not like clarity or simplicity, no, they like a incomprehensible god who is “a square circle” that they can only imagine for themselves and wish for you to image as well. 33
Understand all of this is NOT just some abstract philosophical discourse on how the author chooses to understands or see the nature of God. No, on the contrary. This here is exposing the Trinitarians philosophical impositions onto scriptures, facts and sound or common sense reasoning showing how they twist the scriptures to their own destruction in spite of what the scriptures clearly and plainly teach. The truth of this matter IS SIMPLE , what is complex and complicated is all the twisting, distortions, contortions and outright lying that Trinitarians do knowingly or ignorantly that have to be worked through so as to untangel the incoherent “blob” of a mess they have created and still to this day perpetuate very successfully..
CHAPTER THREE: ……………And OH yea, “GOD DAMN YOU IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IT”! Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. And Jesus answered him, THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God IS ONE Lord: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is…..
If you can’t get this “first of all commandments” right, all the rest of your theology is moot…… NT- John 1 Jesus WAS God and was WITH God….(your right arm is you and is with you) OT- The RIGHT ARM of God the Father is the Savior , the “I AM HE” that Father was going to send to save man NT- Jesus the savior came and was to come again with fire and as shown previously rule for God;. TAKE NOTE OF: “ I AM HE” ; “IT IS I”; “HAND” “ARM” “SWORN” “SHALL BE TO ME A SON” Isaiah 62:1. 2. And THE GENTILES shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and THOU SHALT BE CALLED BY A NEW NAME, (Rev 3:12) which the mouth of THE LORD SHALL NAME. ... 8.
THE LORD HATH SWORN
BY
HIS RIGHT HAND, AND BY THE ARM OF HIS STRENGTH, ….
11.
Behold, THE LORD HATH PROCLAIMED UNTO THE END OF THE WORLD, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold,
THY SALVATION COMETH; BEHOLD, HIS REWARD IS WITH HIM, (This is Jesus the right arm of God not a different person then the father!?!)
and his work before him. 12. And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the Lord: and THOUR SHALT BE CALLED, SOUGHT OUT, A CITY NOT FORSAKEN.
Take note of the Fact that the book of Revelation is recorded by the apostle John also!?! Rev 22:12. And, behold, I come quickly; and
MY REWARD IS WITH ME I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING
, to
give every man according as his work shall be. 13.
AND THE END, THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
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The reward of God comes with and when the Right arm of God returns with it….that Right arm came in the flesh the first time to die to that flesh for us and would return to rule for God. Your right arm is with you and it is you but it is NOT a different person then your head although it is distinct from your head and the rest of you . Rev 1:8.
I AM
ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come,
THE ALMIGHTY.
Jesus is the “PERSON” speaking in the book of Revelation and Identifies himself as THE ALMIGHTY not a lesser person in some imaginary three headed God. Rev 22:16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things Deuteronomy 32:39. See now that I, even alive; I wound, and I heal:
HAND
I, AM HE
, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make
NEITHER IS THERE ANY THAT CAN DELIVER OUT
OF MY
. 40. For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. 41. If I whet my glittering sword, and
AND WILL REWARD THEM THAT HATE ME. (Luke 19:27 note mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies,
the context is the “2nd coming” of Jesus; Jesus is the right arm of the ONE PERSON who is God and that right arm is what came the first time to die for us and then again the second time to render vengeance, and rule for God. The right arm is a distinction of one person. Your right arm only knows and communicates what you give it to know and do but it is NOT another or different person. The right arm is a distinction from your head but not a different person.) 42. I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy. 43. Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, AND WILL RENDER VENGEANCE TO HIS ADVERSARIES, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
Isaiah 66:4. I ALSO WILL CHOOSE THEIR DELUSIONS,
(2Thess 2:11)
. 14. And WHEN YE SEE THIS, YOUR
HEART SHALL REJOICE, and YOUR BONES SHALL FLOURISH like an herb: and
LORD
THE HAND OF THE
SHALL BE KNOWN TOWARD HIS SERVANTS, and HIS INDIGNATION TOWARD HIS ENEMIES.15. For, behold,
THE LORD WILL COME WITH FIRE, (again this is a reference to Jesus!?!?..2Thess 1:8) and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke WITH FLAMES OF FIRE……..
The right arm is Jesus or God come in the flesh, It not a different person! A distinction is NOT a different person…Psalms makes the same point the Right arm of God is what comes to save…the right are is “the savior” Man is made in the image of God your right arm is a distinction from your head or the rest of you but it is NOT a different person!?! (NOTE: GOD CAN BE UNDERSTOOD BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE. MAN IS THE VISIBLE IMAGE AND LIKENESS MAKING THE INVISIBLE GOD CLEARLY SEEN AS IN ROMANS 1:20) Isaiah 52:1. .. 6.Therefore MY PEOPLE SHALL KNOW MY NAME: therefore they shall know
DAY
that
I AM HE
that doth speak: behold,
IT IS I.
IN THAT
7. HOW BEAUTIFUL UPON THE
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MOUNTAINS ARE THE FEET OF HIM THAT BRINGETH GOOD TIDINGS, THAT PUBLISHETH PEACE; THAT BRINGETH GOOD TIDINGS OF GOOD, THAT PUBLISHETH SALVATION; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! ….. 10. THE LORD
HATH
MADE BARE HIS HOLY ARM IN THE EYES OF ALL THE
(Christ is what was and in this very context that which was made bare or made manifested of God!?!?! EXPRESS IMAGE of the person [singular] invisible God Heb 1:1-3; 1 Tim 3:16; 1Peter 1:20; 1Jn 1:2; 3:5&8 [note “son” by virtue of the physical birth Lk 1:31-32; Ps 2:7; 1Jn 4:9]) and ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH SHALL SEE THE NATIONS;
SALVATION of our God; 11. DEPART YE, DEPART YE, GO YE OUT FROM THENCE, touch no unclean thing; GO YE OUT OF THE MIDST OF HER; BE YE CLEAN, (Jerusalem/Babylon Rev 18:14. Come out of her, my people.) that bear the vessels of the Lord. 12. For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the Lord will go before you; and GOD OF ISRAEL WILL
BE YOUR REREWARD. (See
Rev 1:9 section on the kingdom the spirit of God is the kingdom and hence their reward)……
THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON? WHEN HE BRINGETH IN THE FIRSTBEGOTTEN INTO THE WORLD Heb 1:5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, And again,
6. And again,
ONE ALONE, and there is NOT A SECOND; yea, HE HATH NEITHER CHILD (BEN/SON) nor brother: yet is there no end of all his labour; neither is his Ecclesiastes 4:8. There is
eye satisfied with riches; neither saith he, For whom do I labour, and bereave my soul of good? This is also vanity, yea, it is a sore travail.
It is hypocritical argument that denies the literal arm of God that comes (called the son because of the physical birth into flesh ergo“son of man”) and insist that there be a second person of God based on the fact that human sons must be a different person then their human father even though Jesus did not have a human father and God does not take a wife and have children like man do!?! Jesus is a “son” by virtue of the physical birth Lk 1:31-32; Ps 2:7; 1Jn 4:9 of God coming into the physical universe via a physical birth, NOT because you want to assume that God must procreate or always existed in the same plurality that the human fathers and human sons that he created. What is even more curiously hypocritical is the fact that according to the Trinitarian reasoning, God is not capable of being only one person manifesting in three parts/modes. NO NO, however, on the other hand they are quick to point to how great God, past our human understanding and our limited feeble minds He is as the reason for why we should just accept that God can be one being with three different persons as a “god-head”. The coherent and consistent approach to the one person godhead is thrown out in favor of the incomprehensible three person God because God is so great he could do that. They will say we don’t have to understand it because we can’t and must not put limits on God. However, on the other hand, they will deny [AS HERESY] that God is great enough to only be one person who is the father and the same person who is the son and the same person who is the holy spirit. God is not great enough to be and do that. In any case, the Trinitarian’s treat their god to only be as great and incomprehensible in the way and for the reason they imagine the God to be. Trinitarinas have no difficulty “seeing” (never mind they also claim it is impossible to fully understand) that God is three different persons (with three different minds and or three different locations with different amounts of knowledge, power and authority that send each 36
other around) but they cannot, will not accept and would fiercely deny and claim that it is impossible for one God with one person, could just have three different modes/”bodies” (He occupies) of all the same person at the same time!?! You see God is only as Great and incomprehensible in the way and for they reasons that they say God is past (your) “feeble” human understanding, but they in their “humility”, “humbly” accept that fact; and “be damned” [AS HERESY] what anyone or any scriptures have to say otherwise about it. CONSISTENT COHERENCE: John 17:1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
FATHER
, the hour is come;
glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3.And this is life eternal, that they might know
ONLY TRUE GOD
THEE THE
, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent .
Notice it does not say “thee and Jesus”, it states “thee only”. Thus, IF you hold to the Idea that Jesus and father are different persons (rather then Jesus is the same person as the father but distinct in portion/manifestation/right arm of the same person) then: (1) The distinction between the THEE (person) which is the father (person) here and Jesus, (person) eliminates Jesus as God. So while the distinction between father and son what Trinitarians use to “demand” that Jesus must be a different person then the father, that same logic would then prevent even demand that Jesus is not and cannot be God. Because the person of Jesus in this verse is distinct from the person of the father and the person of Jesus states emphatically that the father person in this verse is ONLY and the ONLY TRUE GOD, Further, Jesus would be relegated to just someone that the father person who is the only God sent. ………..(God as different persons results in Incoherence and adulterated HERESY!) (2) The same language is also used in John 1:14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER,) If only begotten of the father means that Christ is the ONLY son of God then likewise “THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD “ demands that the father person alone is the only God and would exclude the Jesus person from being God also and then the Islamic interpretation of that verse would be correct in that God via his word spoke the Man Jesus into existence into Mary’s womb such that Jesus is simply a created man that the FATHER who is the ONLY TRUE GOD sent. Again, it does not say “thee and Jesus”, it states “thee (the father) only”…(The denial of the divinity of Christ is HERESY!) The Only consistent and coherence way to correctly understand this “dilemma” (for the Trinitarians and the Jesus divinity deniers) is to accept the word of God (pun intended) that God sent a part of Himself that God considers to be His own right arm into flesh and called that man (the product of spirit animating human flesh that was born a natural birth via that part of God himself that he put into that flesh) His ONLY BEGOTTON SON. The head (father person) controls the right arm (John 5:19-20) that was sent into flesh (the son Jesus, same person different “appendage”) 37
God who is a spirit sent that part of his spirit that God considers to be his own right arm. -THE MAN MEDIATOR =spirit of God connected/animating male human flesh is Jesus the man -THE FATHER (who alone is God) = is the spirit of God only; God is only spirit - God had/ owned possession of male human flesh born which was both God and man depending on what your making reference to the spirit/ human flesh combination is “the man” the spirit alone of that man is God (specifically that part of God that God considers to be his own right arm) not a created or “mortal” or finite spirit God via the angel told Mary that what was going to be born was to be called the son of God (Lk 1:32/Heb 1:5)…there was no son of God until he was born however that part of God himself that He considers to be his hand / right arm by which he created all things and would latter send via a physical birth had always existed. However, the Trinitarian God is sooo great and magnificent, beyond comprehension but sadly God is not so great enough to call that right arm born into the physical world His own son. God as great as He is could not be His own son even though if the son of the one God (that right arm of God come in the flesh) is not the same one God that sent that son (right arm) then God is not one God. but don’t let the truth, reason and scriptures get in the way of your damnable heresies. John 8:24. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for
IF YE BELIEVE
NOT I AM HE, DIE IN YOUR SINS WHEN LIFTED UP THEN AM HE, that
ye shall
ye have
…. 28. Then said Jesus unto them,
the Son of man,
shall ye know that
I
and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
John 8:24-28 with Isaiah ….. You can’t claim to believe that "I am HE" if you believe in the trinity because Trinity holds God in three different persons who are each God ...so to you Jesus is not HE but some other person sent by a different person “Him"!?! Psalms 118:16
THE RIGHT HAND
of the LORD is
EXALTED
(”lifted up” John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me 33. This he said, signifying what death he should die.):
THE RIGHT HAND
THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REFUSED IS BECOME THE HEAD STONE OF THE CORNER…………..This is ALL about the Christ ( Lk 24:44…and IN THE PSALMS, concerning me.) Ps 10:12. Arise, O Lord;
O GOD,
of the LORD DOETH VALIANTLY. …… 22
LIFT UP THINE HAND:
forget not
the humble. Isaiah 46:3. Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: 4. And even to your old age
I AM HE;
and even to hoar hairs will I carry
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you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you. 5. To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like? Isaiah 41:4. Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord,
THE LAST; (Rev
1:11)
I AM HE.
Isaiah 48:12. Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel,
HE
THE FIRST, and with
; I AM THE FIRST, I ALSO AM THE LAST.
LAID THE FOUNDATION of the earth, and
MY CALLED (Gal 3:7,29; Acts 2:29; Jn 10:26-27;
(Rev 1:8,11)
13.
MINE HAND
MY RIGHT HAND
I AM
ALSO HATH
hath spanned the heavens: when I
call unto them, they stand up together. 14. All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these
THE LORD HATH LOVED HIM: HIS ARM SHALL BE things?
he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and
on the Chaldeans. 15. I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called HIM: I
have brought HIM, and HE shall make HIS way prosperous. 16. Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his spirit, hath sent me. 17. THUS SAITH THE LORD, thy Redeemer, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; I AM THE LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
(A) passages such as this and elsewhere (i.e. John 17:23 ….. “thou hast loved me”) do not show two different persons where one person loves the other person but rather demonstrates that God loves that part of himself that is his right arm just as you love your right arm and nourish and take good care of it. (1Cor 12:25 refer back to chapter six to see how father and son are both one in person but also as specifically addressed, one in purpose as your right arm and head are one in purpose, two different kinds of oneness whish uses two different Greek words and one does not negate the other) (B) Jesus is with God and is God in the same way that your right arm is with you and is you and yet obedient to you all at the same time. Jesus is the first and the last for the very reason that he is NOT a different person then the father or the head but because He is that part of God come in the flesh that God considers to Be his right arm come to man in the way that we might put our right hand into a leather glove of flesh. In fact this is the only coherent way to understand that nature of the subservient but co-equal son of God who is God!?!
REVELATION 1:8. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,
THE ENDING, ALMIGHTY.
THE BEGINNING THE and
saith the Lord, WHICH IS, and WHICH WAS, and which IS TO COME,
These phrase are stated in three places here; also in verse 8 and again in Rev 4:8. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, WHICH WAS, and IS, and IS TO COME…. And is similar to Alpha and Omega found in 1:8,11; Rev 21:6. And he said unto me, It is done. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,, the beginning and the end. ……and 22: 13. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
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Notice that Christ here refers to Himself as “the almighty”!! In all of these references the phrase “I AM HE” is not a generic ref to anything but specific to the God who is speaking and created and lord over all of whom there is NO OTHER LIKE HIM…. The scriptures refer to the one that was coming and in that day they would know that God had sent his right arm to them and they would know that "I AM HE”. Your right arm is you it is fully you but it is not all there is to you. The father is greater then the son in the same way that the head is greater then the right arm, man is made in the image of God and God uses that very image of his creation to describe His own nature. How comprehensible is that.!?! What is so difficult to understand when God uses the very same terms used with the very creation created in his image??? Why do so many feel the need to come up with every analogy under the sun but completely ignore and blow off (as figures of meaningless speech) the very terms and way that God himself describes father son and holy spirit!? man is made in the image of God and God uses the parts of a man that is created in God’s own image to describe himself (father son and holy spirit) how “incomprehensible” is that!?! ……………And
OH yea, “GOD DAMN YOU IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IT”!
That is not a wish for you, nor is it a curse upon you. It’s just a fact; that's the way it is... …………….….It’s that simple.
THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS GOD IS ONE THIS IS THE FIRST COMMANDMENT Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. And Jesus answered him,
, Hear, O Israel; The Lord
our
Lord: 30. And ………..
….. 31.
AND THE SECOND IS…..
If you can’t get this “first of all commandments” right, all the rest of your theology is moot! However, none of this dissuades these children of hell, on the contrary many evil men like to scoff with such ridiculous things as : -You just don’t understand the doctrine of the trinity or how the word “person” is defined/used properly And one of my favorite ones - “Jesus was not a ventriloquist” at his baptism Or Who was Jesus praying to …Himself?? ..(with a smile, smirk and or scoff) Our answer to that foolishness is this: God is one person who only sent a part of himself that He considers to be and called his right arm via a physical birth ergo 40
called his son to teach us how to live pray, suffer and die to HIMSELF!?!....well, he certainly did not come to teach us how to pray and die to some other god????..... (Jesus is God right??)…..If God is one God then of course God was talking/ praying to himself. HOWEVER, IF ONE PERSON WHO IS GOD IS PRAYING TO ANTHER MORE POWERFUL PERSON WHO IS ALSO GOD, THEN GOD IS NOT ONE GOD…………(and then you are either a outright fool or lying to yourselfs in claiming you worship one God; or, that one God is somehow not praying/ talking to himself!?) If you do believe in one God how in the world can you even ask the question was God praying or talking to himself?? Trinitarians can only attempt in hypocrisy to say the “one God” was praying to (the same “one God”) himself, only “not really”; it was really one lesser god person who was praying to the other “greater” (father) god person, but don’t worry, they will claim, that is not different gods or polytheism!?! … Fools, you claim to worship one God and then base your scoffing augments on the ridiculous idea that the one God was not praying (or swearing) to himself?!?...(He could pray to or swear by no greater then Himself, nor could their be any higher authority to hold God to his own oath...!?!) The real question should be how does describing or claiming that the one God is multiple different persons, keep from that same one God praying or talking to himself? The father and son and holy spirit are all “THE ONE GOD” right??….”Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance.”. Since Jesus is this same one God as the father of course the ONE God is praying to the One God of himself, so what is the point of making God into multiple different persons? How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or “THE ONE GOD” from praying and talking to himself by dividing “HIMSELF” up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one God to pray too and Jesus is that God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our (and the flesh) benefit not his!?! God came to earth to live suffer and die for His benefit or for the benefit of man? Thou fool, there is only one God to pray too so if God is going to personally (in the flesh) show us how to pray to God, then he would need to do so by praying to himself. There is perfectly good coherent reasons for the one God to be praying to the one God (praying to himself). Example: the boss comes down from his office and shows his warehouse guys how to fill out a requisition form (TO HIMSELF!) he fills one out signs it and dates it and forwards it TO HIMSLEF! For the express purpose of showing his subordinate how to do their work (live their lives) Who would scoff at the boss for doing this??? (appearently the triitarian mind does) But, oh no, Trinitarians feel that if God talked to himself then that would be stupid at best and at worst make God schizophrenic or some other mental illness they fear. No sir, they will have none of it, they are on a “mission from god”. They are going to go out and save God from himself and any schizoid/mental illnesses that might “bedevil” God himself. What is even more ridiculous is that their solution to keep 41
God from talking to himself (some mental illness they feel) is to evoke multiple person(s)-ality (deny it is a) disorder and insert it onto God’s “being” (call it one “entity”/ “The Godhead”) instead!?! Man is made in the image of God and when I see a man with multiple different personalities, in the way Trinitarians desperately need their god to be, we call it a disorder (demon possession to be more exact) not divine!?! They will say comments similar to the following: “Your view of "person" is far too wrapped up in modern conceptions of personhood. THE TYPE OF "PERSON-NESS" THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE TRINITY HAS IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THEN WHAT HUMAN BEINGS HAVE“ after admitting and trying to make that argument with then spend the rest of any discussion trying to convenience everyone why it must in fact really be three separate and or different persons as the world “person” is normally used!? Other such comments are employed as in “Jesus was not a ventriloquist at his baptism, as if that were the alternative needed (to explain one person) or proves anything ?!? It should also be pointed out that Trinitarians also (must; and even admit) ascribe three different minds (in different locations) in this god of theirs (for the same exact reasons/arguments they insist must be different persons) and yet still with a strait face claim, even insist, that those three different god minds in three different bodies and different locations is “NOT” three different gods!?! Again just another trinitarian hypocritical attempt at playing both sides of the fence. There is ONLY ONE GOD they say, but insist on different persons because they feel it ridiculous that one God would be praying to himself!?!? They deny there are multiple different gods but in practice that is the doctrine they defend and worship! What fools (or worse prov 26:12) men become when they fall in love with themselves and their own ideas. Wake up! It is poison, not pious faithfulness!?! This would all just be a big hilarious joke (worthy of the best comedy troop) if it were not so pathetically foolish and damnable. If the One God (in heaven who is a SPIRIT) wanted to validate that it is in fact himself (on the earth in human flesh) that has come in the flesh on the earth, then a voice out of heaven telling everyone that is Himself is perfectly consistent with a coherent agenda and methodology. The voice and witness to men does not come for God’s own sake but for man’s reassurance. (John 12:30 Jesus answered and said, THIS VOICE CAME NOT BECAUSE OF ME, BUT FOR YOUR SAKES) The one person God (who is omnipresent) in heaven as well as on the earth (at the same time) wanted everyone to know that it was indeed HIMSELF "in the flesh" Suddenly we can see that the only things “bedeviled” with “many demons” (and mental imperfections) are the Trinitarian’s logic and mindset itself. Further, while the Trinitarian can “vividly” image a incomprehensible being who is three different persons, that still does not keep that one being from talking to himself the same one being/entity if they are truly only one God/being/entity. However, at best it not only keeps that being from truly being one but makes that being into a incomprehensible and incoherent god and in reality it is the worship of three different gods while only denying it claiming people just do not properly understand the concept. Three different persons (with three different minds) in three different locations is not one of anything except perhaps one pantheon of three gods while trying to call that pantheon one being or one entity. It is just another masterstroke of double minded (James 1:8) double speak God is three and God is 42
one all at the same time, to doubt this they suggest would be to doubt what God is capable of doing. Many will buy this bag of dung because after all they do not want to be accused of putting limits on God. After all God can do anything. They might as well just come out and say it plainly, because they are certainly living it: “I’ll be damned, if/ before any God, scripture or sound mind comes along and tells me (trinitarians) otherwise.”! This Trinitarian idea of God head is nowhere to be seen certainly not clearly by “the things which are made such that they are without excuse” (no, it is incomprehensible, remember?!?). In any case, there is nothing in nature except these wild and “vivid” imaginations to explain this three different persons is still only one God/“entity”. (But NOT three persons as the word “person” is normally defined, …… unless of course your trying to come up with an explanation for why you need three different persons in the first place. Then of course the trinitarins refer to and use the word person as the word person is normally defined; that is what they have been trying to get through to your “thick skull” the whole time!?! See also Ch Ten) However, the only thing that is made in the image of God is man and God uses terms (both technical Greek see Ch six as well as specific terms referring to specific parts of a man) that refer to man’s parts to describe the father and son and Holy Spirit are in the terms of the man that was created as the head, spirit and right arm of one and the same person that comes to save man. In reality, the father, son and spirit are all the same one person of one being who is God projected and interacting with men and angels in different ways. Obviously and logically that part of the spirit of God which is connected to the flesh that was born into this world is connected to that flesh in a way that the rest of the same spirit of God is not. Ergo, the distinctions between the Father, Son and Holy spirit are distinctions in function and of circumstance/condition of the various parts of God not differences in person!?! God is a person, the Holy Spirit is a person, Jesus is a person...the same person!?! There are only distinctions in the manifestations due to being in different kinds of universes ie spiritual & physical and functioning differently in those all at the same time....Same HE or HIM but the HE that is in heaven is also the He that is on earth but the HE on earth is subordinate and obedient to the HE in heaven because the HE in heaven is the greater part of the HE that is on earth!?!........ Appealing to attributes of God such as wisdom and love is no different then appealing to appendages such as head and right arm except one of those is how the scriptures describe God and the other is not!?! But both of those would still only qualify for one person as the word “person” is normally defined! How "Ironic that Trinitarians will try to deny the scriptures use of God literally sending His right arm (even ridiculing that) because of its Anthropomorphic implications and yet that is the exact bases for all trinitarian arguments. It is the anthropomorphic descriptors that trinitarians try to use to reasons for arguing a demand for multiple/three different persons of God (ie. had to be multiple persons so that God was not praying to himself et al. The Question must be asked, “How many other Gods is there for the one God to pray (or swear) to?!?! ……(God could swear by no greater then Himself, nor could their be any higher authority to hold 43
God to his own oath...!?!) He is a literal son by virtue of the birth into human flesh NOT by virtue of having a different person then his father If you do believe in one God how in the world can you even ask the question was God praying to himself?? Trinitarians can only attempt in hypocrisy to say the one God was praying to himself, only “not really”; it was really one lesser god person who was praying to the other “greater” (father) god person!?! Fools, you claim to worship one God and then base your scoffing augments on the ridiculous idea that the one God was not praying (or swearing) to himself?!?. (He could swear by no greater then Himself, nor could their be any higher authority to hold God to his own oath...!?!) If a omnipresent God speaks from two different locations even at the same time why is that so amazing and or exactly is that some demand for multiple persons of a omnipresent God!?! Why would Jesus need to be a ventriloquist?!? That objection (Trinitarian straw man argument) itself makes no sense whatsoever. But perhaps you worship a small God who can only be and act [communicate] in one location at a time [in only one way at a time]..................ummmm. Trinitarins claim they only worship one God;..However, liars claim they do not lie (you just don't understand what they meant to say [it’s a “mystery”]). And many complain “you just don’t understand the doctrine of the trinity” but the truth is that they like to play “wack-a-mole” with their terms and concepts. This here will address all the basic forms and prove that no matter what acrobatic contortions they twist into the end result is still the same. They are nothing but a polytheist pagans who lie against the truth based on their human anthropomorphic reasoning in hypocrisy denouncing God's own anthropomorphic descriptions of his nature. (They insist that God is three different persons because of the individual “personal qualities” of father, son and holy spirit [using the word person as the word person is normally defined] while at the same time castigating us for arguing against three persons because supposedly you trinitarins do not mean that God is a person in the way the word person describes an anthropomorphism [is normally defined/ meaning of the word]) . In short, you’re double minded, hypocritical, heretics. Romans 1:25.
WHO CHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO A LIE, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Some love to try to argue such foolishness as it is just an idiom, but as we are seeing there is no basis for that assertion except as a convenient but thinly veiled excuse for ignoring what God does say in favor of men centered theologies. However, in any case, even if that were true, it would not help their cause because it is a medalist description that God HIMSELF uses to describe himself. You would think that is how God fearing, sola scriptura folks would want to start their arguments with, but no these fools call that heresy! Trinitarins prefer to ignore the very descriptions and ways that God uses further, call it heresy, and then invent a triune god in councils of heretics and claim it had been in the scriptures all along! The popular excuse is that word person does not mean person such as we normally think of “a person” (different separate from other persons, that would make multiple 44
different gods they must admit) but on the other hand they must be different persons the way the word is normally used because that is the entire bases for claiming that God must be multiple different persons. Father in heaven, Son on earth, as different persons in different locations (and as some would suggest with different minds) No need to worry we just chalk up the double minded double speak to the fact that God can be and not be different persons all at the same time because “God is great “;………….. ”Alah Ackbar” (A common Muslim expression that has been used to express ones faith even when “your reality” conflicts with reason) …Oh but wait, they too would denounce Trinitarians as polytheist pagans also. One can only wonder but see why and how even the heathens see the hypocrisy and blasphemy of the Trinitarians. Sadly, if we were to use this metric (the number of different persons in different locations and or with different minds) alone, (not considering other factors) then we would be left with the conclusion that Muslims were closer to the true one single God then the Trinitarians are!?! James 2:19. Thou believest that there is
BELIEVE,
ONE GOD;
thou doest well:
THE DEVILS ALSO
and tremble…
Trinitarians cannot even legitimacy lay claim to having the degree of “faith” that demons do. It is a sad state but a fact that most of Christianity do not even have the most basic of doctrines (the number of persons) of deity. This is like a doctor who has no knowledge of what blood or germs are!?! Seriously, simply calling your worship of three different persons in three different locations (and or with three different minds) one “God being” even insisting (Ad nauseam ) that it is still only worshiping one God does no more to change the reality (and or the morality) of what you do (call your polytheism monotheism) then an abortionist who “confesses” that they do not kill innocent people (because a fetus is not a person) “No!, (they confess) they promote human and women’s rights, free choice and or the love for “our children’s future”. They would pretend that they don’t want any children to suffer because they love people and children so much. Simply claiming what you do is not evil does not make what you good!?! A whore who denounces prostitution and confesses (ad nauseam) that she does not practice such wickedness ..what she does is totally different she only comforts those who need it she is a not a prostitute she is just a “caregiver” does not change what it is even though she calls it by a different name and describes it in a different way!?!?! Claiming you worship one God who is three different persons each person has their own different amount of “god knowledge , power and authority that send each other around on missions is nothing but polytheism with different wrapping paper and a bow on top…Also note that it is typically for Trinitarians also to ascribe three different minds to these three different persons who are in three different places. Simply denying your evil wicked deeds are not wicked and evil because they are totally different and calling them by a different name does not change reality....... The doctrine of trinity is Polytheism/tri-theism in practice while denying it and calling it a different name… simply denying the facts only demonstrates that God keeps his promises 2Thess 2:11 The fact trinitarins claim they worship one God does not make it true any more then the Muslims claim to worship the same God of Abraham does not make that true 45
either...The fact they claim they worship one God does not make it true any more then a liar and thief who claims I never said I stole and I do not lie. “I ‘confess’ that I do not”, you just don't properly understand what we (liars) are saying.("its a great mystery"). The fact of the reality is they do worship three different persons who are each god and each with different amounts of god knowledge God power God authority that send each other around. Thus, no matter what they claim the reality is they do in fact lie and worship three different god persons which is what “gods” are. Simply changing a few definitions and modifying a few words with sorcery, alchemic or other magical incantations does not cause a transmutation of the lead into Gold. The reason the Jews were accused of sorcery was because they turned the truth of God into a lie by their traditions Trinitarians should not expect a different fate then those sorcerers who prophesied (Rev 19:10 …for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.) lies. When Christ state "I am he" you will die in your sins that is a specific reference to several passages where God states he is going to send HIMSELF and NOT another different person! That part of the spirit of God that God considers to be his right hand (because by the right hand all things were made) Thus, not only does Jesus claim to be God but if you do not believe that he is the same person as the person who sent him you will die in your sins. You can’t claim to believe that "I am HE" if you believe in the trinity because Trinity holds God in three different persons who are each God ...so to you Jesus is not HE but some other person sent by a different person “Him"!?! Muslims insist and state “repeatedly” that they in fact worship and honor the God of Abraham and Jesus but they do not!! They worship another god and Trinitarians worship a god in three different persons which is literally another (person) Jesus” (2Cor 11:4)… Jesus and the OT scriptures make it quite clear that the person that was coming is the same exact person that sent a part of his own self considered to be His own right arm via a physical birth. It is the physical birth that gives reason for calling that right arm “the son of God” God did not send another different person. Trinitarians believe that one person sent another different person. So you cannot say you believe that the second person of the trinity (Jesus) is the "I am he" or same person that sent his right hand in the OT since the right hand is the son that was sent by the first person of the trinity. What Bastard Child is This? Note: The issue is not what the jews thought nor the supernatural nature/condition and authority of God over all things nor is it even if Jesus is the eternal son (always been the son of God for all of eternity) or not but simply the conditions of the physical and natural/ human birth of the human child Jesus who is among other things “the son of man”; as a “son of man”, the condition/ under what condition is his birth. Some would like to try to define a bastard as being a son of a human man and women but this is just an attempt to avoid the issue of the nature of one’s offspring, for even the supernatural angles that came into the daughters of men and had sons as well and that fact has nothing to do with the status of those sons born regardless of if they were considered illegitimate/bastards or not. The point being that the issue of what constitutes a bastard/ illegitimate child hinges not on if the father is human or not but rather on the personhood of father and son; that is to say one person 46
fathers a different son outside the condition of the wedlock. The nature of the father is irrelevant as to the nature or condition of the birth of the son. If the son is a different person then his the father, then Jesus is the bastard child of that some other person who is his father out of wedlock. Marry was not the wife of God but she is the mother of Jesus. If Jesus father is a different person then the son as the trinitarians claim then the birth of Christ is that of a bastard child and not a legitimate son. The issue is not whether or not God is supernatural or that the son is of supernatural origin virgin birth but simply the fact that one person who is his father produces/creates/conceives a son with the mother. Since the father is not married to his mother, then the son that is conceived is born a bastards birth. God is not coming down to earth interacting with man as a supernatural God but rather interacting with man as a man and “the son of man” born unto men. As such, since the father is not married to the women who gives birth to him then the “son of man” is born a bastards birth. There is no doubt that God is “supernatural” and above all things but the issue is that God comes down to man as a man; the issue is the humanity and nature of the son, the legitimacy of the son, not the supernatural nature of some other father person or of his own divine nature, the issue is the nature and legitimacy of his human nature. God (who is so great and powerful) could have taken or just claimed Marry as His own wife so as to give this “son of man” legitimacy to his birth (so that there could be no claim to a father who is not in wedlock to his mother) but choose instead to send a son born a bastard’s birth a “son of man” (according to the nature of men) to save us from our sins and release us from the bonds of our iniquity. However, If the same person who is the son is also the father then natural relationship of a father and his legitimate/illegitimate son have no coherent relevance in meaning since father and son are just roles/modes/parts/titles of the same person in different circumstances. In any case there is no way nor has there ever been any consideration so as to consider one person to be the bastard son of himself where as the opposite case (where one person fathers a son who is not married to the mother of the son) demands it by definition. Since father and son are one and the same person here there are no “interpersonal relationships” involved such as what it means to be a bastard child. You can’t have it both ways in that the son and father are divine and thus exempt from human conditions, since it is for the express purpose of coming in the flesh and living a perfect sinless life under the law that the “son of man” comes not as a god but as a man in the human condition, under the authority of man, under the authority of the law and of human nature. That was the reason he was tempted in all points like as we are and yet without sin. While it is true only God could do that (live sinless with all the temptation) he never the less had to endure the humanity of his condition and it is that condition that comes into question when we consider that this son of man’s father was not married to his mother and as such born a bastard/ illegitimate birth if this nonsense about the father being a different person then his son is held. Again, modalism does not suffer such ridiculous self incriminations because there is no coherent natural relationship between father, mother and son since father and son are the same person and there is no natural way nor has there ever been to consider one person the bastard child of himself. Indeed there is no natural way to 47
consider one a son of himself and this is in some great part a punch line in modalism. What constitutes the son in modalism is virtue of the fact that (1) God defines his own right arm would be his son [in possession not person] (2) what was born was male human flesh the son of Marry, “the son of man” and further, the son “of God” (son of the father) is solely a reference to ownership of that “son of man” and NOT a reference to a son that has a natural nature. (son a different person then his father) On the other hand, there can be no such claim of any kind of “supernatural exemption” for the trinitarian “son of man” since that person is naturally without any legitimate birth from another person who is his father because his father is not married to the women who gives birth to that son. While the father may be supernatural and Israel corporately could be considered the wife of God, that fact does not/would not change the natural status of the birth of this "son of man" who is born into the natural world as a man via a natural birth of a individual human women. It is his birth to that individual women and the child born to that women subject to human nature that is in question not the supernatural nature of his father. No matter how you try to slice/dice the trinitarian “son of man” (from another person), the fact is, that “son of man” (literally “another Jesus”) is born of a individual women who is NOT married to the father of that “son of man”. Fortunately we know from scripture that Jesus Claimed to be the same person of the father and the father claimed that the person that would be sent would be HIMSELF and NOT another or different person. A Matter of Perspective There is alot of perspective that folks seem to gloss over and do not consider. Of course Jesus has always existed because Jesus is nothing but that part of the spirit of God considered his right hand that God would send and put into flesh via a physical birth…However, from another perspective it is just as equally true that, Jesus the man ( “son of man”/ “son of God”) did not exist before he was born into the flesh (ergo Ps 2:7…this day have I begotten thee; Lk 1:35. )….because before he was born into the flesh he was just God specifically the right arm of God that was promised to come latter. That part of God that God would send into flesh has always existed but that part of God has not always existed in flesh or as a man!?!.....Thus when folks argue over or point fingers on whether or not Jesus existed before he was born into the physical world has everything to do with perspective. No man (or “son of man”) existed for all of eternity prior to the time before God(Jesus) created Man….There was only God (Jesus) who created man and all things…This brings us to another important point and concept to understand. Man is a spirit animating flesh. When God put himself (that part of his eternally existent self) into flesh via a physical birth then God literally became a man and a son. That son of man did not exist prior to the point that man was born. However, that part of the spirit of God that was born into that flesh had always existed because it is God in the same way that if I put my right hand into a leather glove (of human flesh) that part of me that is put into that leather glove existed before during and after it leaves that leather glove of flesh. Never the less, the man did not exist until the male human flesh (son) Jesus was born. The God which is the spirit because God is a spirit and Jesus is God had always existed before he was born into the world but he did not exist as a man (or “son of 48
man”) prior to the time that he himself as God created man/ “son of man”!?! Before the son came into the world he was only considered to be the right hand of God, that would come and when it did he would be called the only begotten son of God, for the very reason that while many have been called "sons of God" Jesus was the ONLY BEGOTTEN son God had via a human women!?!? God had NO SON before Christ was born........ it makes this point clear in the OT as well as in the NT period! OT…..Ecclesiastes 4:8. There is ONE ALONE, and there is NOT A SECOND; yea, HE HATH NEITHER CHILD (BEN/SON) nor brother: yet is there no end of all his labour; neither is his eye satisfied with riches; neither saith he, For whom do I labour, and bereave my soul of good? This is also vanity, yea, it is a sore travail............................................ NT……Heb 1:5 Thou art my Son, THIS DAY (at a certain point & specific day)…. HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON? 6. And again, WHEN HE BRINGETH IN The first begotten into the world ............ ? John 17: 4-5 does not help the trinitarians because as demonstrated JESUS has ALWAYS Existed but NOT always as a son and John 17: 4-5 does not say that Jesus was a son before the world began it ONLY speaks to the fact that Jesus who is the son was in existence with the father before the foundation of the world....Again trinitarian faulty exegesis. The like to ignore the plain scriptures in favor of oblique references and interpret them in a way that directly contradicts clear passages and even though John 17:4-5 is still just as true just as describe here as the right arm of God that would latter come and be born into male (son) human flesh Some attempt to argue in essence that the first begotten was NEVER begotten in time but was Always begotten in eternity even before time. If this idea were not such wide spread foolishness I would not feel the need to even mention it here but since it is, I address this in brief: THIS DAY (at a certain point & specific day)………. HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON? 6. And again, WHEN HE BRINGETH IN The first begotten into the world .............Lk 1:3132; Ps 2:7 Passages such as Jn 3:16 only states that God gave us his only begotten son...It does not state that the son had been begotten before he came or was begotten!?! ....If I loved you so much that i gave you my only begotten son, what fool would try to argue that my son must have been begotten before he was begotten (brought) into the world?!? Heb 1:5 Thou art my Son,
ONE ALONE, and there is NOT A SECOND; yea, HE HATH NEITHER CHILD (BEN/SON) nor brother: yet is there no end of all his labour; neither is his Ecclesiastes 4:8. There is
eye satisfied with riches; neither saith he, For whom do I labour, and bereave my soul of good? This is also vanity, yea, it is a sore travail.
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God does not have a mother. However, the man Jesus did have a mother and yet we say that Jesus was God in the flesh. Yes, it is true the human flesh that was born into this world was NOT God but the spirit of that human flesh that gave that human flesh life was God in that flesh giving life to that human flesh. This is the point mentioned elsewhere that when you were born you have a spirit that gives your flesh life and when you die that spirit leaves your flesh that is what death is. However, the flesh that was born into this world called Jesus did not have a “natural spirit”, (for the sake of simplicity here we shall use soul/spirit/mind/ essence interchangeably [since the essence of spirit and soul et al are all “spiritual”] while we can make distinctions the distinctions are also only various ways of looking and referring to the basic “substance” in parts or as a whole; Otherwise in short the soul is the substance of your person where as the spirit is the “instruction set” [nature] that governs your soul/person) the spirit in that flesh was the right arm of God giving that gave that human flesh life and animation. This is no different then your own person, your flesh is given life by the spirit/soul that is in you. So before you scoff with Jesus was just a hand puppet of God (Gods right arm in human flesh) then consider you likewise are just as much a puppet of the soul/spirit that is in your flesh the only difference is that you are a different person (then God) who’s spirit is limited to the confines of your human flesh while Christ is part of the omnipresent Spirit of God (that God considers to be His own right arm) attached to flesh but not limited to the confines of that flesh; connected in a way that the rest of God is not. A simple thought exercise with a hand puppet animated by you (the unseen behind the curtain spirit) explains all the “difficulty” understanding with such passages as Jn 10:29-31; 12:49 et al. Imagine an entity that cannot be seen in the physical universe but it can put it’s RIGHT ARM into a physical form so as to communicate with other physical forms in a way that physical forms communicate about HIMSELF in a completely different kind of universe/existence …..NOW (after you have thought or done the experiment) EROG: Your right arm MUST refer to a “ME” (the physical form doing the communicating with other physical forms) & contrast it with a “HE”/ “YOU” / point to itself that is not perceived by the other physical forms in that other universes/existence & refer to the “HE” or a “YOU” (if demonstrating how to pray/talk to God/himself) EXAMPLE: Notice, Mat 19: 4….HE which made them at the beginning MADE THEM male and female. Jesus is the creator....Jesus is the "HE" likewise the "you" also when praying/talking. While Jesus is certainly not a flesh and bone right arm of God (If that is how you want to define “literal”) He (Jesus) is however, that part of God that God himself considers to be his own right arm that came in the flesh. He is God, He is the creator, He gets to define the terms and “parts” of himself and the terms that God uses are the very ones that man who is made in his image are not just modalist but staunchly anti-trinitarian! His son is his right arm...The son is only a son because of the physical birth (of that part of his spirit that is His own right hand) into HUMAN FLESH that was NOT a daughter...Not a different person!?! Their apologist also pretend to have superior understand of more complex issues in statements where the purpose of God is NOT DEFINING how many persons he is while the simplest of statements by God FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE of defining how many persons God is eludes them. They also seem to “excel with glee” in giving their translations of oblique/obscure passages that have NO demand or intention of defining a specific number of persons of God to then cherry pick demands and assumptions of “great piety” into them. The difference is clear: Oneness show & use 50
specific words that demand one person as well as God's own specific descriptions who's whole contextual purpose/point is to define a specific number of persons of God, while Trinitarians on the other hand try to use vague and or oblique passages with ambiguities who's context and or point of the passage is NOT to define a specific number of persons of God to make demands on the passages that are specific in claim!?! In other words, they pretend that specific passages/words whose purpose is to define a number of persons they claim are not literal / just figures of speech or do not define a specific number of person while they point to the oblique and obscure passages whose purpose is NOT to define a specific number of persons and claim the translations somehow provides them license to make cherry pick demands they use to redefine the specifics with in favor of the obscure. The simplest of test: a text that is intending to specifically define God as 3 persons would have to say a specific number of persons as opposed to the numerous text that are obvious in trying to specifically define how many persons God is by stating "ONE"......."ONE" is specific and abstractions/ obscurities or acrobatic contortions can never redefine a specific "ONE" into a specific THREE !?!...... "figures of speech" by nature are known in their abstraction NOT the specifics they speak or define!? You can’t use passages that do not intend to define a specific number of persons to negate and redefine specific passages whose purpose is to define the number of persons. They like to reach for obscurities and or point to the complexities that can exist in the simplest of statements or ambiguities that could exist in an attempt to redefine unambiguous specifics. They like to take clarity for mud and mud for clarity. The sad thing is, even after It is demonstrated, pointed out to them what and how exactly they are doing it, most still either refuse or are unable to see it while “pretending” it is “faith” and piety that keeps them in this frame of mind, which speaks volumes about the promise of God for delusion and predestination.... Finally let’s get John 1:1 and what the trinitarians think is their one of their “trump cards”/ proof text out on the table so to speak because the few notes mentioned here on it will become more and more relevant. The Greek word pros in Jn 1:1 does not demand nor even demonstrate multiple different persons because: 1. The definitions/ uses are just as equally valid as reference to parts of the same person (modalisim) Your head and your right arm (“is with you/God and is you/God”) have close relationship to each other; can be facing, towards, relating to, moving to, in the direction of, to, unto, looking to; even at home with, a living union, in the presence of, a common ground, closeness They are still both distinct and different from each other and yet they are of both the same person. Ironically the scriptures use the very same terms to describe father and son. 2. Ironically and most hypocritically, the trinitarians are trying to appeal to the anthropomorphisms (they claim this passage implies) to demonstrate different persons while at the same time denying the very anthropomorphisms that God himself specifically in scriptures uses to define the son and the son’s relationship to the father. Apparently only the literal anthropomorphisms that trintiarins “see’ exist while the one’s that God himself uses should not be taken too literal or too anthropomorphic or seriously. Is the face 51
anthropomorphic and or literal face or just some metaphor? Either way the problem for trinitarians still exist and simply does not cease with linguistic distractions. There are many different types of faces; face of a clock; face of a mirror; face of one’s palm. Further, the face of one’s palm would be totally consistent with the anthropomorphism that God uses when discussing his own right arm as the son! So either way, a literal and or anthropomorphic face or a metaphorical face in close relationship only leaves the trinitarinas peddling an empty argument hoping no one notices the fact that this argument is nothing more then delusional smoke and mirrors for “the faithful” and for everyone else, well, just “never mind that man behind the curtain”. 3. You cant appeal to your own desired and or preconceived conclusions as evidence that your methodology in arriving at your conclusions are valid. [ie the use of Jn 1:18 et al as proof that Jn1:1 supports different persons in Jn1:18 et al or visa versa ] How difficult can they make these simple things? The God in heaven is a he but cannot be known except by the he who is the same God in flesh! So why can’t they be the same he again? It should not be difficult to understand since: A. The same God who is in heaven is on earth and the difference need only be of circumstance which at least we know that much to be factually true [spirit only v spirit in human flesh] There is no further need or demand for different individual persons since all the different he’s are in fact the same HE!. Trying to claim that God is multiple different “He(s)” who make up the one being either leaves your God to be a “it” that consist of different he(s) or a“God being” who is a he while simultaneously consisting of different individual he(s) [Father-he; Son=he; Holy Spirit=he]. B. If you find no difficulty in accepting that God is a he that consist of father son and holy spirit also referred to each as a different he and yet all the same he then what is the point to claiming different persons again? How is the multitude of hes who are all the same he show or demand different persons rather than different circumstances of the same person who is in fact “HE”? In any case, the trinitarian inconsistency and or incoherence wil never be resolved by simply chalking it all up to “how great thou art” unless you willingly and blindly “drink the cool aid” calling it “faith”. True faith is in the words of God (including the specific anthropomorphism God himself uses) not in wild created imaginations of three different persons with different minds, locations and instructions for each other. The fact is that is nothing more then a pantheon of three (“equally godlike”) gods who are “one” only in purpose & ”substance”!?! The final analysis demonstrates that the doctrine and arguments of Trinitariansism are nothing more then “clever” set(s) of “little lies”. “Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies…” Fleetword Mac
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CHAPTER FOUR: OT- The Father sends His RIGHT ARM to be a SAVIOR (lifted up on a cross) for man ..The father sends HIMSELF!?! Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD,
THOU ART OUR FATHER; THY HAND. …( John 1:3. All things were made
we are the clay, and thou
our potter; and we all are the work of
by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made…Jesus the Hand of the father that sent that hand to save and did do all the work of creation.).
ONE FATHER?
ONE GOD ( Eph 4:6.
One God AND Father of all..God is the father the Father is God; .Jesus is God Jesus is the father) created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers? Malachi 2:10 Have we not all
hath not
Man is made in the image of God and man also uses his hand/arm to accomplish the work man does….ergo John 1: 1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God………3. All things were MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made………. 14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.. My right hand IS me and is WITH me (Jn 1:1; 17: 5 et al)..Who is our advocate with the father? (God HIMSELF the same person in heaven is the advocate that came to earth; ergo:…. in that day you will know that “I am he”…”It is I”)…..The right hand come in flesh via a physical birth who is the same person that sent that right hand……… How else would a God (living entity) existing/operating in multiple different kinds of universes communicate to other humans in the physical universe refer to the greater part of himself in the other universe that actually in charge of the part of himself communicating this to the humans in that physical universe…?? God is a spirit….Jesus was flesh with the spirit of God animating it ….That flesh communicated to the other men how that their God is in heaven and is spirit… so don’t worship the man worship “the mans Jesus God and their God . This was not a denouncing on Christ part that he was God only a denunciation that the flesh standing before them was not to be worshiped……(NOTE: GOD CAN BE UNDERSTOOD BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE. MAN IS THE VISIBLE IMAGE AND LIKENESS MAKING THE INVISIBLE GOD CLEARLY SEEN AS IN ROMANS 1:20). Psalms 98:1. O SING UNTO THE LORD A NEW SONG;
(This new song will become important in
Revelation Ch 5:9 & 15:3 sections) for he hath done marvellous things:
HAND,
and
HIS RIGHT
HIS HOLY ARM, (Christ is that right hand and holy arm
of God that god used to create all things in the same way we do with our right hand
HATH GOTTEN HIM
and arm) THE VICTORY. (1Cor 15:52-57 Take note the right arm [which is Jesus} got the victory. Jesus Got the victory for us and for 53
God because Jesus is nothing but the right arm of God come in the flesh)
2. The Lord hath
MADE KNOWN HIS SALVATION: (Lk 2:20..JESUS!?!?)
his
righteousness hath he openly shewed IN THE SIGHT OF THE HEATHEN. (Rom 16:25-28) …….. 7. Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. 8. LET THE FLOODS CLAP THEIR HANDS: let the hills be joyful together 9. Before THE LORD: FOR HE COMETH, TO JUDGE THE EARTH: WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL HE JUDGE THE WORLD AND THE PEOPLE WITH EQUITY.
THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? (Ps 2:7…this day have I begotten thee) I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON? WHEN HE BRINGETH IN THE Heb 1:5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son,
And again,
6. And again,
FIRSTBEGOTTEN INTO THE WORLD
It is superfluous to deny the literal arm of God that comes and called the son because of the physical birth into flesh (“son of man”) but insist on a second person of God because a son must be a different person then a human father even though Jesus did not have a human father and God does not take a wife and have children like men do ?!?! He is a literal son by virtue of the birth into human flesh NOT by virtue of having a different person then his father. Note “son” by virtue of the physical birth Lk 1:31-32; Ps 2:7; 1Jn 4:9 God via the angel told Mary that what was going to be born was to be called the son of God…there was no son of God until he was born however that part of God himself that He considers to be his hand / right arm by which he created all things and would latter send via a physical birth had always existed. The only son born to God was his own right arm that was put into human flesh via a physical birth. Psalms 118:16
THE RIGHT HAND
of the LORD is
EXALTED (”lifted up”
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me 33. This he said, signifying what death he should die.):
THE RIGHT HAND
of the
THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REFUSED IS BECOME THE HEAD STONE OF THE CORNER…………..This is ALL about the Christ ( Lk 24:44…and IN THE PSALMS, concerning me.) LORD DOETH VALIANTLY. …… 22
Ps 10:12. Arise, O Lord;
O GOD,
LIFT UP THINE HAND:
forget not the
humble.
That right arm which was a son to Him (God) was lifted up and crucified came and saved man and would rule for Him (God) Jesus is the right arm of God not a different person. Since God considers that when that right arm comes into this world his son then therefore it is his son. God defines his right arm as his son, because Mary is the only human who was ever impregnated so as to give a physical birth by the spirit of God. However what she was impregnated with was not a different person but God himself specifically that part of God that is God’s own right arm that God calls, considers (and as such we should also) His son NOT a different person.
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John 8:24. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for shall
DIE IN YOUR SINS…. 28.
UP
the Son of man,
IF YE BELIEVE NOT that I AM HE, ye
WHEN I AM HE,
Then said Jesus unto them,
THEN
shall ye know that
ye have
LIFTED
and that I do nothing of myself;
but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
John 8:24-28 with Isaiah ….. You can’t claim to believe that "I am HE" if you believe in the trinity because Trinity holds God in three different persons who are each God ...so to you Jesus is not HE but "some other person sent by Him"!?! Isaiah 51:6. Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon THE EARTH BENEATH: FOR THE HEAVENS SHALL VANISH AWAY LIKE SMOKE THE EARTH SHALL WAX OLD LIKE A GARMENT awake,
PUT ON STRENGTH,
O ARM OF
(Heb 8:13&12:27-29)………9.
Awake,
THE LORD; AWAKE, ..
Isaiah 28:1… 2. Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, AS A FLOOD OF MIGHTY WATERS OVERFLOWING, SHALL CAST DOWN TO THE EARTH
WITH THE
HAND. (A flood Mat 24:39) Isaiah 30:1.. 27. Behold, THE NAME OF THE LORD COMETH (REV 19:13; LK 12:49; JN 1:1,14) from far, BURNING WITH HIS ANGER, …. 29. YE SHALL HAVE A SONG, (see notes on Rev5:20 “They sang a new song”) as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the Lord, to the mighty One of Israel. 30. And the Lord shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall SHEW THE
LIGHTING DOWN OF
HIS ARM, (Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh ….. so
shall also the coming of the Son of man be.) with the INDIGNATION OF HIS ANGER, AND WITH THE FLAME OF A DEVOURING FIRE, …... 32. And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the Lord shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and IN BATTLES OF SHAKING will he fight with it. 33. For TOPHET IS ORDAINED OF OLD; yea, for the king it is prepared; HE HATH MADE IT DEEP AND LARGE: THE PILE THEREOF IS FIRE AND MUCH WOOD; THE BREATH OF THE LORD, LIKE A STREAM OF BRIMSTONE, DOTH KINDLE IT .
(REV 19:13;
LK 12:49; JN 1:1,14) Man is created in the image of God ..man is one but man also refers to his parts and measures of himself in the "third person". Example:… “my tummy does not like it when I eat that”… “my back will not let me do that”….et al…even Jesus refers to himself in the third person, compare Mat 19:4/Mk 10:6 with John 1:1-3….Notice, Mat 19: 4….HE which made them at the beginning MADE THEM male and female. Jesus is the creator. When Jesus here spoke of the Creator who created man and woman Jesus referred to Himself as the Creator in the third person "He” (or denoting the fact that as the right arm of God that created all things the person of God in heaven is the he that created all things and the he that tells Christ what to say because Christ is not a different person then that person in heaven to whom that right arm belongs to communicating with men.) That is why you find Christ even making use of the third person when talking of Himself in heaven. God is a spirit and the Head of Christ. Christ is that spirit in the flesh on earth subservient to the rest of that spirit in Heaven. There is a distinction between them but not of persons the distinction is in the manifestation not in the person.. Jesus uses the third person pronoun here because he is asking a question about what was written (by his inspiration) before he came in the flesh while in heaven but now is on earth. We are going to visit this issue again and see in more detail why and how this same principle is used.
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My hand can communicate to you but only what I give it to know and do. Christ cannot know anything beyond what His head the father gave Him. In the same way my head tell my hand and arm what to do and communicate et al. This is why only the father which is the head of Christ knew the day or hour. There is a distinction between Christ and the father in the same exact way that there is a distinction between my foot and my hand and my “head” my head is in charge of my foot and hand but they are simply extensions of the one person of me. There is not a separate person of my foot and hand even though my foot and hand are different from each other and can even do different tasks and accomplish different kinds of communications simultaneously. If I were a spirit (God is a spirit) and put my hand into a leather glove (of flesh) so that all the other leather gloves could see me then my hand could be baptized in water and communicate with you all while and at the same time i could roar a thunderous voice from above this is my son here ye him. A “son” only has meaning with respect to the fact that God was Born of a women in the flesh. Not some lesser spirit baby or lesser God then the Father himself.......... Why would my hand sweats, agonize and even cries out in pain to my head every single time it gets a needle put into it or a finger crushed???? Wow, I cant imagine how... it must be some other person that lives in my hand that i never knew about every time it cries out in pain?!?..In fact when you think about it why would the fact that a voice from heaven have anything to do with the number of persons of God? Is not God omnipresent? Did Jesus did not say he was in heaven at the same time that he was standing next to them. If a omnipresent God speaks from two different locations even at the same time why is that so amazing and or exactly is that some demand for multiple persons of a omnipresent God!?! Why would Jesus need to be a ventriloquist?!? That objection (Trinitarian straw man argument) itself makes no sense whatsoever. But perhaps you worship a small God who can only be and act in one location at a time.................. BUT JESUS DIEDTO (& FORSAKEN BY) AND GAVE HIS SPIRIT TO THE FATHER?? Some have attempted to point to passages such as Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into
THY HANDS
I
commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
kaifwnhsaVfwnhmegalhoihsouVeipenpatereiVceiraVsouparaqhso maitopneumamoukaitautaeipwnexepneusen This some may try to say, suggest that Jesus could not possibly be the right hand of God because here Jesus is committing his spirit into the hands of God. Which is rather silly one thinks about what it means to say “I am in your hands” almost never means or refers to the actual hand as so much as it does your power which gets transmitted and instructs your actions by your doing by whatever means. This is further demonstrated in the very word translated as “hands” can mean a literal or figurative hand or the power one posses to act and do according to ones own will. Strong’s also points this out in how the word is and or can be use: From the base of ceimwn - cheimon 5494 in the sense of its congener the base of casma - chasma 5490 (through the idea of hollowness for grasping); the hand (literally or figuratively (power); especially (by Hebraism) a means or instrument):--hand.This, not to mention the fact that if the spirit of Christ is 56
that part that God considers to be his right hand [singular] then what happens to that right hand is in the literal hands [plural] of the same. The fact that the translators chose to use the words hands is not identification for who the person Jesus is!?! The head is greater and tells the hand what to do but the hand is not without its own feelings and trepidation when the nurse’s needle is getting stuck into it. The signals of the pain felt in the hands originates in the hands not in the head, the head only “interprets” or ignores the pain signals et al. The disposition of the hand is in “the hands” of your head which tells it to stay put and suffer the needle or to withdraw and keep safe from the suffering et al ad fin. Mat 27:46:46. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,
MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?
This is truly an ironic passage for Trinitarians to attempt to use because Jesus is quoting Himself!?! 1Peter 1:10. Of which salvation THE PROPHETS have inquired and searched diligently, WHO PROPHESIED of the
THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM, IT TESTIFIED grace that should come unto you:11. Searching what, or what manner of time
when
beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow……… 2Peter 1:21.
For THE PROPHECY CAME not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST.
What did that sprit of Christ testify?..... Psalms 22:1.
ME?
MY GOD, MY GOD,
why hast thou
FORSAKEN
why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?....................... 22. I will declare
thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. 23. Ye that fear the Lord, praise him; ALL YE THE SEED OF JACOB, GLORIFY HIM; AND FEAR HIM, ALL YE THE SEED OF ISRAEL. 24. For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard. Psalms 42: 1. As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. 2. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God? 3. My tears have been my meat day and night, while they continually say unto me, Where is thy God? 4. When I remember these things, I pour out my soul in me: for I had gone with the multitude, I went with them to the house of God, with the voice of joy and praise, with a multitude that kept holyday. 5. Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted in me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him for the help of his countenance. 6. O my God, my soul is cast down within me: therefore will I remember thee from the land of Jordan, and of the Hermonites, from the hill Mizar. 7. Deep calleth unto deep at the noise of thy waterspouts: all thy waves and thy billows are gone over me. 8. Yet the Lord will command his lovingkindness in the daytime, and in the night his song shall be with me, and my prayer unto the God of my
9. I WILL SAY UNTO GOD MY ROCK, WHY HAST THOU FORGOTTEN ME? why go I mourning because of the oppression of the enemy? 10. life.
As with a sword in my bones, mine enemies reproach me; while they say daily unto me, Where is thy God? 11. Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God. Psalms 43:1. Judge me, O God, and plead my cause against an ungodly nation: O deliver me from the
2. FOR THOU ART THE GOD OF MY STRENGTH: WHY DOST THOU CAST ME OFF? why go I mourning because of the oppression of the deceitful and unjust man.
enemy? 3. O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles. 4. Then will I go unto the altar of God, unto God my exceeding joy: yea, upon the harp will I
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praise thee, O God my God. 5. Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God. Psalms 44: 1. We have heard with our ears, O God, our fathers have told us, what work thou didst in their days, in the times of old. 2. How thou didst drive out the heathen with thy hand, and plantedst them; how thou didst afflict the people, and cast them out. 3. For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them. 4. Thou art my King, O God: command DELIVERANCES FOR JACOB. 5. Through thee will we push down our enemies: through thy name will we tread them under that rise up against us. 6. For I will not trust in my bow, neither shall my sword save me. 7. But thou hast saved us from our enemies, and hast put them to shame that hated us. 8. In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah. 9. BUT THOU HAST CAST OFF, AND PUT US TO SHAME; and goest not forth with our armies. 10. Thou makest us to turn back from the enemy: and they which hate us spoil for themselves. 11. Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen. 12. Thou sellest thy people for nought, and dost not increase thy wealth by their price. 13. Thou makest us a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and a derision to them that are round about us. 14. Thou makest us a byword among the heathen, a shaking of the head among the people. 15. My confusion is continually before me, and the shame of my face hath covered me, 16. For the voice of him that reproacheth and blasphemeth; by reason of the enemy and avenger. 17. All this is come upon us; yet have we not forgotten thee, neither have we dealt falsely in thy covenant. 18. Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from thy way; 19. Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death. 20. If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange God; 21. Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart. 22. YEA, FOR THY SAKE ARE WE KILLED ALL THE DAY LONG; WE ARE COUNTED AS SHEEP FOR THE SLAUGHTER. 23. Awake, why sleepest thou, O LORD? ARISE, CAST US NOT OFF FOR EVER. 24. Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression? 25. For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. 26. Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake. Psalms 13:1. HOW LONG WILT THOU FORGET ME, O LORD? for ever? how long wilt thou hide thy face from me? Psalms 74:1. O GOD, WHY HAST THOU CAST US OFF for ever? why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture? 2. Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt. Psalms 88:13. But unto thee HAVE I CRIED, O LORD; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee. 14. LORD, WHY CASTEST THOU OFF MY SOUL? WHY HIDEST THOU THY FACE FROM ME? 15. I am afflicted and ready to die from my youth up: while I suffer thy terrors I am distracted. 16. Thy fierce wrath goeth over me; thy terrors have cut me off. 17. They came round about me daily like water; they compassed me about together. 18. Lover and friend hast thou put far from me, and mine acquaintance into darkness.
Jesus is the creator and God in the OT speaking to the prophets about himself. It was that same Jesus that quoted himself in the OT passages about his own suffering. Pay particular attention to all Psalms references (Lk 24:44) The argument that tries to say that since Christ committed his spirit to the father at his death proves that Christ must be a different person then the father actually proves just the opposite!. However, it would be just as true to say that the spirit that was in Christ was that part of the sprit of God that God put into flesh and connected to the flesh in a way that the rest of the spirit of God (and thus the rest of God himself) was not. As such, that part of the spirit separated from (died to that flesh and went to the place of the grave called death that He himself had created) the flesh of Jesus and thus the spirit of Jesus was committed to God who own’s (we have already seen where God ‘owns” the spirit) that part of his spirit to do with that spirit as God himself saw fit to do. On the other hand to claim that Jesus either was forsaken by God and or was a different person then the Father God in heaven leaves Jesus dead to his flesh as well as dead to (and separated from) the father (a physical death/separation as well as a spiritual death/separation from the rest of God) This creates two possibilities for those who argue for multiple different persons, both of which are heresy: 58
(A) Jesus died and was separated from the rest of God and thus undeniably no matter what linguistic contortions of nonsense you use, created two different gods who were separated from each other and not the same person and no longer "one". They can’t be the same one God (or one being) if they are separated dead and or forsaken to each other!?! (B) Jesus ceased to be God so that there would only be ONE God. Thus, once again the very argument that Trinitarians will try to use only condemns them as heretics and leaves them insisting that those are not the only possibilities because “with God all things are possible” (never mind that God is not the author of confusion and self contradictions either) or chalking up the incoherence of the arguments to: “Yea, can you believe it? Our God is such an awesome God” (he is and is not a different gods all at the same time!?!; We are pious [fools] because we don’t put limits on what God can do [no matter what God himself said about himself]) The reality is that part of God’s own spirit that came into human flesh also “visited” the place called death/ the grave a place that right arm created in the first place!? So to say that God cannot die is purely a matter of perspective it depends on what you mean by God died. In any case, it is God’s (possessive) son because that human flesh born into this world via women is a son (it is not a daughter) and belongs to God. It is God and no other person then the person who said he would send that part of himself that he considers to be his own right arm to animate/give life to that human flesh. Ergo: Son (male, son of man/women) of (belongs to) God. The idea that Jesus is a different person then the person who sent that part of himself into male human flesh born son of man is simply blasphemous! In any case, understanding “WHO” (what person) this Jesus is has everything to do with who and what God you serve. Many different religious groups insist and state “repeatedly” that they in fact worship and honor the God of Abraham and Jesus but they do not!! They worship another god and Trinitarians worship “another Jesus” (2Cor 11:4) Although the Jews may have rejected Jesus as the Messiah, the Muslims today accept Jesus was the Jewish messiah (The Christ), but they still do not believe that “He” is the God that sent his right arm….Likewise Trinitarians do not believe that God sent his right arm. They confess that the first person the father sent a second different person the son rather then the same person of God who sent his right hand and arm in the flesh called His son. You cannot keep that word which you deny… The whole point to except ye believe that "I am he" (a specific ref to the scriptures I show in the paper) You can’t claim to believe that "I am HE" if you believe in the trinity because Trinity holds God in three different persons who are each God ...so to you Jesus is not HE but "some other person" sent by “HIM” !?!.... Lk 1: 35 that HOLY THING which shall be born of thee shall be CALLED the Son of God .......What is that "Holy Thing"??...The scriptures insist that God sent a part of Himself that God considers his right arm. God also called that same part of himself the word of God. He also called that same part of himself the lamb of God; .into flesh born of a 59
women ergo son of God. Jesus is the same person there is only one person of God and except you believe it you are no different then any other religion who claims to love Jesus or worship the God of Jesus…. DIAGRAM B DIAGRAM B ARM/HAND The RIGHT is what is REVEALED, … The RIGHT What is ARM/HAND sent and comes to is what is REVEALED, … SAVE US, the What“SALVATION is sent and comes to SAVE US, the REAVEALD”, that right “SALVATION arm comes and gets “THE REAVEALD”, VICTORY”that andright will arm comes andThat gets right “THE “RULE”. VICTORY” and arm/hand ISwill "His “RULE”. That rightSERVANT" RIGHTEOUS arm/hand IS "His that God “MADE BARE” RIGHTEOUS SERVANT" and was “LIFTED that UP/EXALTED” God “MADE BARE” and thus and was “LIFTED “BARE THE SINS of UP/EXALTED” and thus many” !?!? Your right arm “BARE THEyou SINS is with andof it is you many” arm a (Jn!?!? 1:1)Your but itright is NOT is with you and it is you different person then(Jn you 1:1) but it is head…The NOT a or your servant different person then you or to come is identified by your the head…The to one whoservant sends that comeservant is identified by the as HIMSELF!?!..... one who … sends that servant as HIMSELF!?!..... … Ergo: Jesus who is that Ergo:RIGHT Jesus who is of thatGod in ARM RIGHT ARM of God in to all flesh communicates fleshother communicates to all that flesh and states other“Iflesh and states AM HE” and ifthat you do “I AM anditifyou youwill do die notHE” accept not accept you will diecant in in yourit sins!?! You your claim sins!?!toYou cantthat claim believe "I am to believe am HE"inifthe HE" ifthat you"Ibelieve you believe in the trinity trinity because Trinity because Trinity holds holds God in threeGod in three different persons different persons who are who each are each to Jesus GodGod ...so...so to you you Jesus notbut HE"some but other is notisHE "some othersent person by person by asent different a different person Him"!?! person Him"!?!
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Trinitarians cannot lay claim to having “trusted” in him and or ever came to Christ. (Whatever that means since Christ is the word and it is impossible to trust in a word you have no or very little knowledge of in the first place, even the Pharisee had the scriptures they did not deny the ink on paper only the meaning and application as it pertained to the Christ ) But many want to deny the literal arm of God that comes and called the son (because of the physical birth into flesh [“son of man”]) but insist on a second person of God because a son must be a different person then a human father even though Jesus did not have a human father and God does not take a wife and have children like men do ?!?! What was sent and came to save man is a son NOT because it was a different person!?! “THE SON OF GOD” is a reference to the fact that human flesh was born of a women. What that WOMAN (who is of man) gave birth to was a “SON” (it certainly was not a daughter, but is was a son of man) and that “SON” (of man/woman) was “OF GOD’ because it was God who sent his own right arm, part of himself, not a different person but the one person who is God who is a spirit put his own right arm into human flesh and let it be born of man/woman ERGO SON OF GOD. The “SON” is “OF GOD” because it is God himself not a different person. Only fools believe that Jesus must be a different person because God sent his right arm to be born into human flesh, to animate and give that human flesh life?!? When you were born you were given a spirit created by God but it is a human finite spirit but it animates your physical human flesh (your spirit does not extend beyond your physical body)....when the flesh that was born into this world called Jesus was not given a created spirit IT WAS THE SPIRIT OF GOD Himself in it, animating it. (the part of God’s own spirit that he considers to be his right hand)........Ergo God come in the flesh... (Rom 1:20. For THE INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, EVEN his eternal power AND GODHEAD; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE; ) He is a literal son by virtue of the birth into human flesh NOT by virtue of having a different person then his father. Note “son” by virtue of the physical birth Lk 1:31-32; Ps 2:7; 1Jn 4:9 God via the angel told Mary that what was going to be born was to be called the son of God. There was no son of God until he was born however that part of God himself that He considers to be his hand / right arm by which he created all things and would latter send via a physical birth had always existed.. But in any case, a distinction between the head (father) and the right arm (called the son of God due to that physical birth) is not a different person!?! If people would see just how powerful and significant the fact that Jesus claimed to be the “I AM HE” of the OT (and or to be the right arm of the He in heaven), then they would be in a better position to demonstrate that in fact Jesus did claim to be the very God that sent him and not a different person. Jesus makes distinctions between himself and the father just as he should between a head in heaven and a 61
right arm in the flesh but Jesus never made a distinction between his person and the person of the very God he claimed to be. On the other hand trying to argue that Jesus is not the same person as the person (that clearly states he is going to send himself) only brings confusion and emboldens those who claim Jesus never claimed to be God. The fact is Jesus claimed to be the very same person of God in heaven. That is the whole point to the NT and OT references of who the “I AM HE” is!?! Trinitarians worship three different distinct and separate persons who are each God, you do not worship the God of Jesus for Jesus is that same God (not the flesh standing before them but his person, His spirit; that which was in him that gave that flesh life and made it who he was in the flesh et al) and same and only one person of God. Trinitarins worship three in one they do not worship the one who claimed to be the one. There Jesus is not the Jesus nor the God of Abraham. To deny that The “I AM HE” is the father that sent the son as well as the son that was sent is to deny who Jesus is in a most fundamental way. Beyond all contradictions, the fact is that trinitarians literally deny who Christ is! They deny that Jesus is THE PERSON of God. They all confess the HERESY that Jesus is but one of three different persons of God!?! In Short they worship another God …another Jesus…. and as such, are no different then the pagans! Your head is not your right arm, the father in heaven is the head of the same person who's right arm in on earth in flesh. No multiple different persons warranted period! The father is distinct from the son in the VERY SAME way that your head is distinct from your right arm but it is NOT a different person. If I make reference to your right arm getting a finger crushed you would not have difficulty understanding that i was NOT talking about your head and yet only a FOOL would think that would mean that your head and right arm are two different people!?!?!. Which is Why God is so CLEAR about the fact that He GOD is ONE person ONLY......man is made in the image of God and those are the exact terms God uses to describe his own nature and who would come to save man and die on the cross. Rom 1:20. For the invisible things of him ...are CLEARLY SEEN, being UNDERSTOOD ...., EVEN HIS .....GODHEAD; so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE. So, while they deny the literal use of God’s head in heaven and right arm that comes in the flesh as the heresy of modalism, (Three parts of the same person manifested in three different ways) they condemn God himself for as demonstrated this is the exact terms and way that God describes the father himself and the son that comes to mankind, But perhaps God too is a heretic?!?….OR….OR, these men and Trinitarians are just outright filthy dreamers. While the Trinitarins claim to hold to the “true faith”, they are just a cornucopia of literal “GOD DAMNED FOOLS” (or worse Prov 26:12) in the eyes of the Lord himself! They demand that you never mind what the scriptures specifically state they will insist instead on the “FACT” that trinitarianism is the true faith; that modalism is heresy and “God damn” (anathema, according to their church councils) anyone who claims otherwise! The blunt language is used here to illustrate both the severity and the intractability of the conflict (to erase any doubt that there is any room to “agree to disagree”) of those that oppose themselves. For all the piety that the Trinitarians like to claim, their actions and their “fruits” are the works of devils and liars who’s damnation is just, without excuse while deluding themselves thinking they are “the pious faithful” when in fact most are even worse off then just a mere fool (Prov 26:12) 62
ALLEGORY OR METAPHOR VERSE LITERAL The right hand of God is NOT a metaphor: (A). we are created in HIS image……(B) This is not a issue of allegory verse literal it is simply one of improper definition not literal verse metaphorical because the spiritual is the true and “literal”. The physical things are the shadow, pattern and allegory if there is one your whole concept and definition of allegory is completely backwards. God is a spirit....Is God not literal?!....Everything in the physical universe gets its substance and source from the spiritual.. Heb 8:5,10; 9:23 10:1 ; 12:24..The spiritual came first then the physical. Christ was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world. He created the lambs in the stall.......Thus the lambs in the stall are a pattern or shadow or "metaphor" for the truth of Christ.... Christ the Lamb of God is not a figure of speech. Christ is not a metaphor for the lambs in the stall Christ is the original and true lamb. LIKEWISE, OUR RIGHT HAND IS A PATTERN OR SHADOW OF GOD’S RIGHT HAND (It does all the primary work typically) That part of the spirit of God referred to as His right hand is also called the lamb of God and also “HIS SON” why? (because it comes into the physical universe via a physical birth, that part of the sprit of God that comes into flesh is eternal [because God has always had his right hand/arm] that flesh however was not eternally preexistent ) Jesus is also called the word of God….NONE OF THOSE ARE METOPHORES! Because, they all originate, created and defined by an eternally existent singular God who created all of the different variations in the physical universe patterned after things from the spiritual universe……(C) a son could also be looked as something that proceeds forth from something else….you build a machine people sometimes refer to it as their child or their baby….Jesus is the Word made flesh so by virtue of going fourth (into a different form/ human flesh) it is the offspring of God as a result of the product of the spirit of God coming into and “fusing” with human flesh that is born into this world in a way that the rest of God did not. Further, this word which is spirit came into the physical world (from which the concept of a begotten son only has any meaning or relevance Jesus being the only begotten son of God) via a natural physical labor or a human woman that gave birth to flesh occupied by that part of the spirit of God that is the right arm of God (hand in a leather glove of flesh animating it) that is God…….Since it belongs to God then it is literally “the only begotten (birthed/unique) Son (male human flesh) of God (belonging to or the possession of God)” …not another different person!?! Some would try to claim that the right hand of God is a metaphor while the son of God is Literal. They are both literal …The spirit comes first then latter the physical things we give names to were created to be patterned after/named after the spiritual. This is why man is said to be created in the image of God even though God is a spirit the form he takes as a spirit is that of a great man. The spirit is the true and literal. Man is made in the image of God and that is the exact terms head (father)..son (right arm) holy spirit (ie your spirit)..to describe his nature. Not only is it NOT a figure of speech but Christ promised that if you do not believe that the same person who was sent was the same person who sent him then you would die in your sins…. The spiritual part of God that God calls his right hand is literal because your idea of a right hand came from that spirit in who’s image we were created in, in the first place!?! It appears that most everyone is looking at this all backwards. God is referring to his right hand that he sent and put into flesh as his son. (because that 63
right arm comes via physical birth) God is NOT referring to a different person who is the son as His “right hand” as in “he is my right hand man”! (that is not a co-equal of naything!?!) The physical things in the physical universe such as out right hands/arms and sons et al are all patterned after the TRUE eternally self existent God …..so NO THERE IS NO METOPHOR SINCE THE SPIRIT IS NOT DESCRIBED IN METOPHORICAL TERMS BUT RATHER IN THE TRUE SENSE OF EXISTANCE THAT THE PHYSICAL THINGS ARE PATTERNED AFTER……..you cant look at physical things and claim that spiritual things are only referred to that way because God is using a metaphor , because the physical things are the “metaphor” (carbon copy or a pattern of the true) for the spiritual/literal true things……..everyone’s thinking is completely backwards.. Some try to point to John 8:17-18 “the testimony of two men is true”, and argue that for a testimony to be valid, according to the Law of Moses, two men were needed. They will claim that, Jesus was one Person, who gave His testimony, and the Father in heaven was another who gave the same testimony as Jesus. (1) The only thing prescribed is two witnesses not two persons. A person is not necessary to give witness if there was something else that could witness to the facts. (I.E. 1John 5:8; John 5:36) also considered a physical record of the facts in question. The two witnesses are (1) SPIRIT (2) FLESH both of which are the same “one God” but distinct in that the spirit speaking from heaven is absent of human flesh and the flesh of Jesus was the spirit of God in it speaking on earth. Jesus point blank states that he is his own witness John 8:18. I am one that bear witness of MYSELF and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. (So if Jesus and father can be his witness and he is “the one God” then obviously nothing can prevent the one God from being his own witness [in multiple ways]?!) God is in heaven and a spirit ….Jesus is the same spirit of God on earth as a man in flesh. The spirit of God that spoke from heaven is one witness. The flesh standing in front of them is the other distinct witness. (distinct because that part of the one God is connected to human flesh is so in a way that the rest of the “ONE GOD” is not) Christ also pointed to the scriptures (which convey the word of God which is God, so yes God testifies of HIMSELF!?) and his works as His witnesses (John 5:39) two different witnesses spirit and flesh but only one person who is God both in the flesh and in heaven as a spirit. There is only the witness of the voice from God in Heaven who is a spirit and the voice of a man on earth who happens to be the same God but in the flesh. Two different witnesses because of two different conditions (two different universes spiritual and physical) one is spirit in the heavenly universe speaking down to man,; the other witness is the same God who is man, talking to men as a man from the physical universe. There are multiple witnesses for Christ but there is nothing in all of the different multiple different witnesses that gave witness to Christ that show, demonstrate, or demand that God is multiple different persons. (2) It states two men give witness so how does that demand that God is different persons? God “the father” is not a man. God is a spirit, Jesus is a man (male human flesh) animated by the spirit of God. So When the one God gives the testimony of himself he does not provide two different men. It is God as a spirit speaking from Heaven and Jesus who is the only man in the passage. God is both spirit and a man. But the witnesses are not both men! If 64
Jesus is the same “one God” as the father then how does that verse prevent the “one God” from being the “one God’s” own two witnesses?! The scriptures say the father and the son (parts, the head and right arm of the same person; my arms and my legs and my face testify that I do or do not have tattoos all over my body.) testify but there is no demand anywhere for two different persons, only two different credible witnesses. The whole point to God being creator (and ultimate authority to define) of all things and what it means to be God is that God can create multiple different witnesses (or anything else) even though He is the singular ONE God. God does not have to be a multiple of anything simply because the creation of which he created has multiple persons, witnesses, or things in the physical universe. God is spirit, a man is a spirit animating male human flesh (otherwise it is dead flesh) Jesus is the spirit of God (specifically that part of the spirit of God that God considers to be his own right arm) that animated the human flesh of "the man" called Christ. The fact that Jesus was fully a man (which is a fusion of a spirit and human flesh) has NO bearing on the fact of the divinity of the spirit that was fused to and giving life and animation to that male human flesh. A human woman that gave birth to flesh occupied by that part of the spirit of God that is the word or right arm of God that is God…not another person. Since that male human flesh was born via a “natural physical birthing process” but fused to the spirit of giving life/animating it, then it belongs to God. It is literally “the only begotten” (birthed) Son (male human flesh) of God (belonging to or the “personal possession” of God in the way that your human flesh is “yours” even though all things are God’s) It was the Holy Spirit that came upon Mary and caused the fusion of that part of the spirit of God and that human flesh....it was the Holy spirit that was giving life and animating that male human flesh.
CHAPTER FIVE: “OF HEIS & HEN” (a pun on “of mice & men”) Mark 12:28. And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, WHICH IS THE FIRST COMMANDMENT OF ALL? 29. And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our GOD IS ONE Lord:. 30. And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.. 31. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these......................... NOW……. Rom 2:22……..thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? SUMMARY SYNOPSIS: Linguistically, the Greek NT terms translated as “ONE” in various places to modify “God” as in “God is ONE” destroy all pretense to God in three different persons. There are primarily two Greek words we must consider in the NT translated as “ONE”. The first is: HEN 1Cor 12:14-20. But now are THEY MANY MEMBERS, YET BUT ONE BODY The use of the word “HEN” has two possible uses, It can refer to multiple different persons who act as one OR it can also refer to multiple different parts of the same person that act as one or unified in purpose/goal
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When two or more words or concepts equally apply have different possible meanings they can only logically apply in a way that they do not contradict each other.(you cannot appeal to self contradiction in terms to make a valid argument)..the Trinitarian argument is incoherent and certainly not consistent with itself. Logically The church members are "Hen" but cannot be "heis". so multiple persons is the demand. On the other hand, your head and right arm are both "Hen" and "heis" this can only be logically coherent as ONE PERSON with parts or parts of the same person. Likewise; Father and son are "hen" and God is ONLY and always "heis" logically they can only be one person in parts/portions of the same person ECHAD, ECHAD….MY GOD!…..GOD IS ECHAD!!!! Note on the OT Hebrew word “ECHAD” that some trintarians try to point to so as to claim that it demonstrates that God is a compound unity being. That argument could only possibly be valid if they could show that the word Echad can ONLY and ALWAYS refer to multiple different persons in order to even begin to make the argument that God’s compound unity is demonstrated in the use of the word “Echad” Just because a thing “could be” (a certain way or have a certain meaning) is not proof or evidence that it “must be” or “is” the meaning you pick because your theology depends on it period! The English word “ ONE” can also be used to denote a compound unity or it can also only refer to a single person or thing. In fact the Hebrew word Echad is used like the English word one itself. The word Echad can refer to ONE PERSON ONLY.. Since the word Echad has different possible meanings then you cannot claim that the use of Echad proves that God is multiple different persons. The “echad argument” is nothing but wishful thinking pointing to one possible definition and claiming that the one possibility Trinitarians choose eliminates all other definitions of the word. The fact is that the word (in Deut 6:4 et al) is "ECHAD" that word has different possible meanings. That Hebrew word Echad is used IDENTICAL AS THE ENGLISH WORD "ONE"......Both the words "ONE" and "ECHAD" relevant to this discussion refer to: (a) ONE PERSON/or thing ONLY (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) (b) multiple different persons who are acting as one (Gen 2:24) (c) multiple different parts of the same person or thing that act as one .(Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64) (d) While other possible uses for Echad exist such as “first” (e.g Isaiah 51:20); or “unique” in certain passages [e.g. based primarily on Job 23:13; Ez 7:1; 1Chron 17:21; 2Sam 7:23; et al] but none of these are relevant (nor necessary to debate the virtues of such as “unique”) because the same passage is used in the NT with specific Greek word where uses such as “first” or “unique” would not be accurate and or permissible. Thus the mere fact that the word echad is used anywhere does not demand any one of those definitions just by itself. In fact we could akin the word to the English word “one” into which it is translated. The English word “one” can be used in reference to one person or multiple different persons acting as one or parts that function as one, just as in the above mentioned…. so WHICH ONE OF THESE IS THE CORRECT “ONE”/ use of the word “echad”? lets look how the same verse/word in Deut 6:4 is used. In the NT two different words to express those SAME SET OF DEFINITIONS found in Echad are used they are “Heis” & “Hen”
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“HEIS” (a) ONE PERSON “HEN” (b) multiple different persons who are acting as one “HEN” (c) multiple different parts of the same one person or thing that act as one .................. IN the NT when Deut 6:4 et al is referred to by Christ it is recorded as using the Greek word “HEIS” 1. Mark 2:7, “...who can forgive sins but ONE (heis), even God?” 3. Mark 12:29, “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE (heis) Lord.” That WORD “HEIS” DEMANDS ONE PERSON ONLY……it FORBIDS more then one person. So God is both HEN and HEIS in the NT and ECHAD in the OT ….. Further, just as with the English word “ one” is defined by the context so too is the Hebrew word Echad defined by the context in which it is found. Collective sets of nouns indicate a compound unity as in the table and chairs are “ECHAD”/ “one” ( set ) If on the other hand all you have is “one”/ “echad” table then there is not compound unity involved. When the Lord states that HE is one there is no compound unity under consideration because for their to be so in that OT text then there would have had to have been some accompanying nouns/pronouns such as I and him are “one” However, since there is not the context and sentence structure where Echad is used to describe god forbids any compound unity. Again, because for a compound unity to exist it must be qualified with a collective set of nouns/ pronouns, which it never is. Thus ECHAD as proof for a plurality of persons in unity or compound unity fails on two counts (1) the translated word into Greek forbids a compound unity (2) there are no qualifying multiple nouns/pronouns that must be present for ECHAD to be used as a compound unity!
From here we shall go through the “Long version” of all of this in more detail by starting with the word: HEN The use of the word “HEN” has two possible uses, It can refer to multiple different persons who act as one OR it can also refer to multiple different parts of the same person that act as one or unified in purpose/goal. It must be noted that it does NOT demand multiple different persons (or items); it also refers solely to multiple or different parts of the same person (or item). working together in a unity of function and or purpose. “Hen” is the word that is used when multiple persons or parts of the same person are said to be united as/into one. (A) “HEN” is used in several places that identify two or more persons or things (or parts of the same thing) that exist as a plurality of one such as "one body" which consists of many members. (Also take note: the Hebrew word “Echad” [Deut 6:44. Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is ONE/ECHAD Lord:] also can be used this way as shown in Ezk 37:9) 1 Cor.12:12 When two or more persons are said to exist as “one” the word used is the nominative neuter form “hen.” This can be seen very clearly in the following: John 11:52 “And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather
ONE (Hen) the children of God that were scattered broad.”
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persons are said to be made ONE. The nominative neuter from of the word “one” (“hen”) is the word in this case. 1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 8.So then neither he that planteth is anything, neither he thatwatereth, but God that giveth the increase. Now He that planteth and he that watereth
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verse two different persons have the same purpose or are in unity. The word “hen,” is used here because two people are said to be one in the sense of UNITY or “one in purpose. Ephesians 2:14 “For he is our peace, who hath made
BOTH ONE (Hen) and hath
Here, “both” refers to two different groups namely the Jews and Gentiles. These two groups are made into “one.” (Same kind of two party oneness found in a husband and wife) Because it is UNION of multiple persons or groups of persons, the neuter word hen is used to describe the oneness. broken down the middle wall of partition between us.”
(B) It also denotes the multiple different parts of the same person such as your arms and legs that all function as one body. (Also take note: the Hebrew word “Echad” [Deut 6:44. Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is ONE/ECHAD Lord:] can be used in this way also as demonstrated in Ex 26:26 & ; Ezk 37:9; Num 13:23) Your "one body" consists of many different and distinct parts of one human body that act together and function as one human body not multiple different bodies. This can be seen very clearly in the following: 1Cor 12:14. For THE BODY IS NOT ONE MEMBER, BUT MANY. 15. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16. And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17. If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18. But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19. And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20. But now
THEY MANY MEMBERS, YET BUT ONE (Hen) BODY Here the object of discussion is the human body with its different are
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parts of the same body. Although, each part is distinct from each, they come together or are put together so as to make up ONE body. A head and right arm are members of the same ONE body. Hen is used here to refer to how multiple parts are fit together to form ONE (hen) body NOT multiple different bodies coming together to form a single body. A oneness of utility and function of all the parts of the same body is described. So the word Hen can be used in two basic different ways. We can see that “Hen can refer to multiple persons who come together as “ONE” Which is how the church is described OR as the different parts of the same person’s body that function as “ONE” body. So “Hen” can be used to refer to multiple different persons but does not have to. It does not demand multiple different persons because it is also used to 68
refer to multiple parts of the same one body that function as one body. There are several passages that speak to the Unity of the father in son in purpose/goal/function using the word Hen, However, a oneness of function/purpose/goal/action does not address the question of how many persons are involved. Example: (a) you and your wife can be one in unity in purpose/goal (b) your head and your right arm can also be one in unity in purpose/goal/ Both of these statements are true and even the kind of “oneness” in both statements is true also. However, the fact that a oneness of unity in purpose/goal exist or is asked for, does not define how many persons are under consideration. It could be a single person addressing the oneness/unity of parts of himself and or it can also be multiple persons who are said to have a oneness/unity in purpose/goal. John 10:28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HAND. 29. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY FATHER'S HAND. 30.
MY FATHER ARE ONE.
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The Greek word here is “Hen” and the object is not how many persons God is but rather the unity of the head (father) and right arm (the son) in their purpose/action of keeping the disciples from being plucked from God’s hand. (also see 1Cor 12:20 the comparison is the body of Christ which is made up of different persons to your ”Hen”/one body made up of different parts not different persons, thus parts or persons that make up “HEN”/one) Both the father and the son are UNIFIED in the ability and action and purpose of keeping anyone from plucking those that are given eternal life out of God’s own hand. The number of persons of God is not under consideration here the unity of action or purpose is, in the same way that your right hand and head are unified in maintaining your cloths or appearance. There are other passages that will address specifically the number of persons of God and those passages never use the word “HEN”, Never! (“HEN”)
THEY ALL MAY BE ONE;
John 17:21. That (“HEN”; again the word translated in this verse as ONE is all the same word “hen” and in the same context. Thus the oneness in every part of this verses is all THE SAME KIND of oneness (synergistic) as different parts or members of a unified body. This very first sentence identifies multiple persons as a unified group in purpose/goal/action(synergistic). No one would suggest that Christ is prying that all these people become one person but rather Christ is praying that they be become ONE using the Greek word “HEN” to denote a oneness in
FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, that THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE (“HEN”); IN US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. purpose/goal/action/function. (synergistic) as thou,
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THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE: (“HEN”; … 22. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;
Ironically this is yet another favorite verse some like to point to but the very first part of the verses defines exactly what kind of ONENESS Christ is addressing and praying for. This verse is completely irrelevant to the issue of how many persons of God there are. It is a request that the disciples be unified with the head (the father) in the same way that your right arm is unified with your head in purpose/focus/unity/goal. It is NOT a request to be unified in person. Likewise, when Christ prays for a ONENESS of UNITY in the decuples just as there is a ONENESS OF UNITY between the son (right arm) and father (the head) you CANNOT say “well since Jesus only asked for a ONENESS OF UNITY in the parts, then that must mean that the father and son are NOT ONE PERSON”. The fact that the father is the head and the son is the right arm and they are unified as right arm and head of a single person are unified, is not logical justification for claiming that therefore the head is not the same person as the right arm?!? Since this verse would be just as equally true and valid if only one person is doing the talking about the other parts of himself in this verse, then this cannot be a proof of anything except 2Thess 2:11 The chart shown next demonstrates the very nature of what is under discussion in these verses. The spirit of God (Jesus/father/holy spirit who are all the same person) was in the flesh known to men as Jesus Christ and thus Christ was therefore also “in the father” just as we put to death the old man and receive the spirit of Christ/God/the father in us (our flesh) and as a result are then “IN Christ” (in the father) and likewise function with the same purpose/goal/action in our lives as Christ who was God come in the flesh did. These verses speak not to how many persons constitute God but that all parts be unified in the same kind of oneness/unity of purpose/like mindedness/ actions. When Jesus prays for “HEN” (translated as ONE in John 17:11) he is not praying for “HEIS” ( Oneness of person; a different word also translated as ONE as in Gal 3:20;Mk 12:29) nor is he denying HEIS. Further, just because Christ states that God is “HEIS” he is NOT a denial hat son and father are also “HEN”. Two different words with two different uses in different context….. This Word “HEN” (translated as “ONE”) is NEVER used to identify the or a number of persons of GOD in the NT , NEVER! “The church (local or universal??) is ONE/HEN” (Rom 16:4,16; 1 Cor 11:16; 1Cor 14:34; 16:1,19; 2Cor 8:1,18; 11:28 et al) This statement is true but it is ONLY addressing the fact that the church is made up individual parts/members/persons that function in unity of purpose/goal/mind. The statement is NOT addressing how many churches exist at any particular place! There are two kinds of oneness one of purpose/Unity/ and one of Person and one kind of oneness does not exclude the truth of the other kind of oneness. They are NOT mutually exclusive. You can’t use one kind of oneness to make void the other 70
with. If Christ is praying for one kind of oneness you cant then assume that well he must be denying the other kind of oneness. The fact is the father and the son just like a head and right arm are BOTH one in purpose/unity AND (as he states elsewhere in other context) one in person. Thus, pointing to passages such as these which use the word “HEN” and in the obvious context of unity of purpose/action/goal and speaks of the oneness of Jesus and the father in that unity wanting his disciples to also be in THAT UNITY just as the right arm (Jesus/son) and head (father) are in THAT UNITY does not have anything to do with the number of persons of God. Jesus is NOT asking that they be one in person nor is he denying that the son and father are one person. The only oneness (Jesus is praying for) under consideration here is the UNITY of parts/purpose/action NOT persons!?! Thus, these passages have nothing to do with the number of persons of God nor can it "Qualify" the number of persons of God. In fact they are completely irrelevant in defining the number of persons of God except as an good example of Trinitarian faulty exegesis and logical fallacies.. The Diagram also shows the concept of (John 17:11 et al) the father being in the man Christ as the man Christ prayed for the spirit of the father to be in us which as scriptures will also state emphatically is in fact the spirit of Christ. The spirit that animated the flesh of the man called Christ is the same spirit that the man Jesus prayed for to come into our flesh. And the whole point to John 14:17 & 20 as shown in the chart and in more detail in the previous “PART FIVE” John 14:17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them) and SHALL BE IN YOU... (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you”. The spirit was standing next to them in flesh.......latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh).....that is why. he would send the spirit.............one was external to them...the other would be internal to them.. (1) Christ points blanks states that HE will be the one coming to comfort them!?! [it is hard to fathom how folks miss this when he states it VERBATIM].......(2) Isaiah states that the son to be born would be called "COUNSELLER" (the holy spirit is called that) (3) "another' is another/ different form and function NOT another/different person ..(4)He will come in MY (Christ) NAME, is the NAME of the Holy Spirit!?!.
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The use of the word “HEN” does NOT demand multiple different persons (or items). It also refers to multiple or different parts of the same person (or item ie head and right arm). working together in a unity of function and or purpose. HEIS However, the word “HEIS” DOES demand a singular person (or item) when person (or item) is the object being quantified by that number. The second word we must consider is the Greek Word "HEIS" (Also translated as “ONE”) “HEIS” IS FOUND ~90+ times in the N.T. relating to people and when it is used to define a number of persons, it is NEVER used to define more then one person. “Heis” ALWAYS defines the number of persons as ONE ONLY! The nominative masculine form “HEIS” is a cardinal numeral and is used throughout the N.T. for one person and each time the Greek N.T. speaks of God as being one, it employs the numeral or cardinal numeral “HEIS" to describe THAT KIND of oneness. (Also take note: the Hebrew word “Echad” [Deut 6:44. Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is ONE/ECHAD Lord:] also can be used this way as shown in Ezk 33:24) Here are some observations by scholars on the Greek masculine “one.” Joseph Henry Thayer: “Heis” means the cardinal numeral ONE. Where the word “heis” takes the place of a predicate it means one person. (Page 186. A Greek, English Lexicon of the New Testament.) Mr. A. T. Robertson: “One,” when masculine (heis) sets forth the idea of the cardinal numeral “one.” When referring to people or beings, ALWAYS the numeral “one” is implied. (Page 186 vol 5; pages 526 and 527, vol 4; page 299 vol 4. Word Pictures of the Greek New Testament.) Bauer: The masculine “one” (heis) means, A single; only one. (Page 230 Bauer’s Greek Lexicon.) Gingrich: The masculine “one,” (heis), is equivalent to ‘protos’ which means‘first’. Only one; single. (Page 57, Shorter Lexicon of the Greek New Testament). NOTE: Since "unique" is NOT consistent with how the NT writers translated Deut 6:4 the word into “HEIS” ; Heis is NOT defined or used as “unique” trying to apply or insisting that “unique” is how echad should be understood in Deut 6:4 is purely arbitrary in the first place and simply the result of an academic fool trying to play acrobatic exegesis There are NO verses that refer to God as a plurality of persons who are “one” However, there are several verses that directly speak to the number of persons of God as HEIS or “ONE” and thus “one person”. This fact alone should be “a big hint:” as to how many persons constitute God. Several examples of God is “Heis” (ONE) can be seen in: 1. Mark 2:7, “...who can forgive sins but ONE (heis), even God?” 2. Mark 10:18, “there is none good but ONE (heis), that is God.” 73
3. Mark 12:29, “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE (heis) Lord.” 4. Luke 18:19, “... none is good save ONE (heis), that is God.” 5. Romans 3:30, “... it is ONE (heis) God, which shall justify...” 6. 1 Corinthians 8:4, “...there is none other God but ONE (heis).” 7. 1 Corinthians 8:6, “But to us there is but ONE (heis) God, the Father.” 8. Ephesians 4:6, “ONE (heis) God and Father of all, ...” 9. 1 Timothy 2:5, “For there is ONE (heis) God, ...” 10. James 2:9, “Thou believest there is ONE (heis) God, thou doest well, ...” 11. Galatians 3:20, ”... God is ONE (heis).” The oneness of God’s person (or the number of persons of God) is, however, ALWAYS referenced using the masculine word “heis” which is a cardinal number denoting singular ONE ONLY.
NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) Gal 3:20. Now a mediator is
The whole point to Gal 3:20. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one, again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The mediation is between multiple persons (“a party” of God and man); the “but” points out the contrast between the multiple persons in a mediation party verses the “one” of God; The “BUT” is making the point that God is not like a mediation party with multiple persons, God is ONE [person]!?! The one is contrasted against “a party” or multiple persons. God is not multiple people as in the case of a “mediation party”. [This is no different then to say "pick up the chair" the word "YOU" is automatically understood but in this case even more so God is ONE PERSON not multiple different persons as in the case of a mediation party] 1Tim 2:5. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, THE MAN Christ Jesus; A man is simply human living human flesh with spirit given it by God; when you were born you were given a spirit but the flesh born into the world called Jesus who is that mediator is that part of the spirit of God that God considers His right arm animating that flesh. Your spirit is the sprit of a finite man, the sprit of the man called Christ was the infinite God himself animating the flesh. Ergo God come in the flesh! (1) When it states “not a mediator of ONE”, the obvious intention is not one person. A mediator is not a mediator of one person; you have to have at least two different opposing persons to have mediation. However, some would attempt linguistic acrobatics by arguing that what is meant here is that a mediator is not a mediator of only “one mediation party” as if all mediations take place not between individuals but rather between “parties” of individuals such as two corporations going to mediation (The difference here is that a mediation party need only consist of two or more individuals where as a mediation of parties is that each side involved in the mediation is more then one person,). Notwithstanding just how silly that argument is given the fact that mediations described in the bible did not include stock holders or board of directors but 74
appeared to have been between individual kings or “the man in charge”. In any case, Abraham was only one individual person (the context of this passage is the promise and law) and every man answers for his own sin. God mediated for each man individually not as a collective. This is to say that every man “can obtain” the same mediation “deal” because It was God’s law and promise but there is no higher authority to run to then God himself about how to apply his own rules and “intent”. Thus God was the mediator between himself and each individual man. (The deal is come to Christ and get your sins washed away, but the fact that any man accepted this mediation deal and got his sins washed away does not extend the “washing away” effects to all other men. Every man must individually accept the mediation offer or “find yourself at war” with God) The whole point to “coming to Christ” each man must come and submit to the mediation offer or suffer the wrath of God. (Jn 14:6) Further, the application of this verse is general and must be true for all mediators and all mediations as such the most basic from which all other mediations (even such as mediations between two corporations made up of several individuals) derive from is a mediation between two different persons with opposing positions. Thus, there is no way to claim that this verse in Galatians is not talking about mediation between two individual persons. (2) Even if two corporations with opposing views, this is to say that each side of the mediation had multiple persons in each party, was the concept that Galatians was referring to, this verse would still eliminate the possibility that God as a being of multiple persons. The context here in Galatians is the number of persons involved in a mediation (any and every mediation requires at least two individuals could be more but must be at least two or more individuals) is always more then one person v20..“NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE” and the whole point to this "but" statement is to identify the fact that where as there must be more then one person involved in a mediation, “BUT” God is ONE. God, is NOT like the multiple persons involved in a mediation. The whole point to this “but” statement is to identify the number of persons of God!?!? A Mediator does not mediate for ONE, (one person or even one side of a mediation with a party consisting of multiple persons) BUT GOD IS ONE! In any case, you can’t logically claim that the context is a mediation party of multiple different persons “BUT” God is NOT like that and still claim that this verse supports the idea that God is multiple different persons!?! No matter how one try’s to interpret the parties as individual persons with opposing views or as two different groups or parties (ie corporations) with opposing views, this verse makes a contrast between those mediations and parties which are “NOT ONE” (person), But God “IS ONE” (Person). Thus any attempt to lay claim that this verse does not destroy all contrary pretenses about the fact that God is only one person is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense of the greatest magnitude. If we continue to look at Galatians, a little latter in verse 28, we can see again the use of the word “heis” but this time it is not a reference to a number of persons 75
acting together to form "one" (the greek word for that is hen) but rather it is a specific reference to a number of positions or a number of class/status that are found in Christ and everyone is in that ONE (heis) class/status....... The word One is NOT a reference to the saints (multiple different persons) who come together to form or are functioning together so as to create one (Hen) class but rather that there is ONLY ONE (heis) status/ class that the saints are all in. .
NEITHER Jew nor Greek, there is NEITHER bond nor free, there is NEITHER male nor female: FOR ye are ALL ONE in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28. There is
The comparison/contrast is between two different status or classes or positions of people outside of Christ verses the only ONE position/class/status of those people who are in Christ. This is NOT the same thing as several different persons or parts operating as one. The One here is a qualification of the number of positions and status that people in the church have it is not about how many persons make up that status or how many persons can be one in purpose or unity. There is no: 1. UPPER CLASS/STATIUS POSITION (Jew, Free, Male) 2. LOWER CLASS/STATIUS POSITION (Gentile, Bond/slave, Female) Multiple different classes do not exist “IN CHRIST” ….”FOR” (because) you are all HEIS (ONE as in one CLASS.) There Is ONLY ONE CLASS in Christ, which is Christian or “saved”, there is NO upper class or lower class “IN CHRIST” Also note the author is NOT saying that multiple different persons make up that one class either. He is only saying that no matter who you are “in Christ” you only have one status or belong to one class only. Example: Bill jack and Jill FUNCTION TOGETHER as/to form ONE (HEN) TEAM/ CHURCH This first sentence is a reference to the effect of activity or unity of purpose ……In other words YE WORK TOGTHER AS ONE [TEAM]…. Bill, Jack and Jill ARE all IN ONE (HEIS) TEAM/CHRIST (all IN Christ) This second sentence is not about the unity of function/purpose of the people as one but rather only about the number of different teams they are all in which is only ONE ……On other words ONE TEAM YE ARE ALL IN………. The Gal 3:28 verse thus reads or is to be understood as follows: "There is neither Jew (UPPER CLASS/STATUS) nor Greek, (LOWER CLASS/STATUS) there is neither bond (LOWER CLASS) nor free(UPPER CLASS), there is neither male(UPPER CLASS) nor female:(LOWER CLASS) for ye are all ONE (CLASS) in Christ Jesus". Jew, slave, male are all different types or conditions of class /status and that "position of status/class is what is described as ONE status class that 76
those “in Christ” are in. However, there is NO suggestion that all those Christians Paul is speaking of are unified in purpose and activity so as to create that one class/status/position. The ONE position/status/class exist irrespective of any unity of purpose and or activity of anyone. The difference is to function together as one (Hen) so as to create a class/team verses the fact that only one (heis) class/team that exist and all saints are in that one (heis) class/team. The word “heis” is used here because it is a reference to the number of classes itself NOT the saints unified so as to create one class, if it were then the word HEN would have to have been used...the fact that HEIS is used here defines what the one is and is not....(Another example would be: “ ye are not pale red or bright red for you are all one [Hugh/texture] red” This statement would not and could not be said to designate that all the people working or coming together make up the color red it is a simple fact that ONE color red is what everyone is; not that multiple different crayons functioning together so as to be the color red!) Here the Heis/one denotes the singularity of the class (or status of saved) that all Christians are of. If the Greek word “HEN” were used it would denote that a given class was created by the multiple different persons that come together to form it. However, here the emphasis is on the ONE CLASS (see also “one blood” Acts 17:26) itself as opposed to multiple or different classes that are in Christ, The emphasis and address is NOT on the number of persons that class constitutes as if the word “Hen” were used. A good example is the imperative for different members of the body of Christ (1Cor 12:14-22) as opposed to saying “your all one race” (the human race) that one race is not created by having different members (one person or a thousand, still and only the same one race). But with a body you have different parts and it takes those different parts to constitute a body as Paul stated:. 1Cor 12:19. And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20. But now are they many members, yet but one body. The word “HEN” would be used in the example of you are all “ONE” (HEN) body. A body has various different parts each part does not consist of a complete or whole body by itself, but only a part of a single body. However, the use of “HEIS” here points out that the oneness here is not like the different parts of one body made up of different members but rather there is only one Class (see also “one blood” Acts 17:26). Each and all Christians have that one status/class (saved/Christian) in whole not in part. This is not saying that that each and every one in the church make up a class/status of saved but rather that each and every one have that status in whole not in part. With “hen”(one) the members of a body are just smaller parts of a complete whole. Each individual in Christ is saved (heis/one-class/status) wholly/total not as a part in salvation. However with “hen” (you are all one body) each individual in Christ is not a whole body of Christ but only a part of a whole body. The emphasis is on the singularity of the class/status that each Christian has in total, not on any set of part(s) or members of that whole. 77
SUMMARY: TRYING TO APPLY OR INSISTING THAT A COMPOUND UNITY IS HOW ECHAD SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD IN DEUT 6:4 IS PURELY THE RESULT OF AN ACADEMIC FOOLS TRYING TO PLAY ACROBATIC EXEGESIS AND DECEIVING UNSTABLE AND UNLEARNED MEN!?! The word Echad can be used almost identical to the English word “ONE” it can refer to (a) NO COMPOUND UNITY of ONE a single solitary ONE PERSON ONLY (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) … OR……. (b) COMPOUND UNITY : a husband and wife/ table and chairs as ONE which is a compound unity (Gen 2:24); Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64 ) ….Thus the fact that God uses the word ECHAD does not show that God is a compound unity any more so then to say “I am ONE” shows that I am a compound unity nor does it prove that I should have said “I am ALONE” So which is it??........ There are two FUNDAMENTAL AND DEVASTATING reasons why ECHAD in Deut 6:4 (or any of the other places where God is defined by that word) cannot refer to a compound unity. Each reason stands on its own not dependent on the other and either one destroys the Trinitarians. (1) In Hebrew the word ECHAD must be accompanied by collective sets of nouns pronouns to identify as a compound unity in the same way the English word “ONE “ is used……….. EXAMPLE A: ECHAD /ONE/ HEIS used as a COMPOUND UNITY of ONE: -ENGLISH The table/Husband and chairs/Wife are ONE -GREEK The table/Husband and chairs/Wife are HEN -HEBREW The table/Husband and chairs/Wife are ECHAD
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HERE IS WHERE : Echad in scripture used as multiple different persons who are acting as one (Gen 2:24) And or multiple different parts of the same person or thing that act as one .(Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64) When the word Echad is used with reference to God it is NEVER qualified with multiple sets of pronouns/nouns WHICH IN HEBREW IT MUST in order to interpret or claim a compound unity exist and is almost identical in the way that the English word ONE does!?!?!? If you say you have ONE/ECHAD table no compound unity Is under consideration period! …if on the other hand you say those legs and top fit together as ONE/ECHAD then and only then is a compound unity under consideration….This is true for the Hebrew word Echad …It must be accompanied by multiple pronouns and nouns to suggest or claim any compound unity is under consideration but it NEVER IS WHEN GOD IS THE SUBJECT!?!? EXAMPLE B ECHAD /ONE/ HEN as a numeral singular ONE person place or thing with NO compound unity: -ENGLISH I have ONE table -GREEK I have HEIS table -HEBREW I have ECHAD table HERE IS WHERE : Echad in scripture used as ONE PERSON/or thing ONLY (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) NO COMPOUND UNITY IS HERE EVEN THOUGH THE WORD ECHAD IS USED! (2) The same verse and words of Deut 6:4 are translated in the NT with specific Greek words that PROHIBIT and FORBID any more then ONE PERSON !?! Thus the NT writers understood ECHAD in Deut 6:4 NOT as a compound unity but as ONE person ONLY….. Joseph Henry Thayer: “Heis” means the cardinal numeral ONE. Where the word “heis” takes the place of a predicate it means one person. (Page 186. A Greek, English Lexicon of the New Testament.) Mr. A. T. Robertson: “One,” when masculine (heis) sets forth the idea of the cardinal numeral “one.” When referring to people or beings, ALWAYS 79
the numeral “one” is implied. (Page 186 vol 5; pages 526 and 527, vol 4; page 299 vol 4. Word Pictures of the Greek New Testament.) Bauer: The masculine “one” (heis) means, A single; only one. (Page 230 Bauer’s Greek Lexicon.) Gingrich: The masculine “one,” (heis), is equivalent to ‘protos’ which means‘first’. Only one; single. (Page 57, Shorter Lexicon of the Greek New Testament). NOTE: Since "compound unity" is NOT consistent with how the NT writers translated Deut 6:4 the word into “HEIS” ; Heis is NOT defined nor can it be used as “compound unity……………” TRYING TO APPLY OR INSISTING THAT A COMPOUND UNITY IS HOW ECHAD SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD IN DEUT 6:4 IS PURELY THE RESULT OF AN ACADEMIC FOOLS TRYING TO PLAY ACROBATIC EXEGESIS AND DECEIVING UNSTABLE AND UNLEARNED MEN!?! While “hen” can refer to multiple persons OR multiple parts of the same person as “one”, “heis” can only refer to one single individual undivided person when addressing living beings (or singular thing as in “one salvation”) as such logically God can only be one person with parts. The Trinitarian argument is incoherent and certainly not consistent with itself. Logically if two things both apply they can only apply in a way that they do not contradict each other.(you cannot appeal to self contradiction in terms to make a valid argument). The members that constitute the church are "Hen" but cannot be "heis" and multiple persons is obviously demanded. On the other hand, your head and right arm are both "Hen" and "Heis" this can only be logically coherent as ONE PERSON with parts or parts of the same person. Likewise; Father and son are both "hen" and God is only ever "heis". Thus, logically father and son (who are God) can only be parts/portions of the same person who is only one person God. This is even further reinforced by the fact that the passages that speak about the “person” of God do so in the singular tense as well. Thus how you wish to define the word “person” is irrelevant, because no matter what the definition is there can only be a singular (one) person of God. (In any case, take note that having flesh or not has nothing to do with what constitutes or defines what a person is except in the minds of those who have invented a new flavor of heresy in their attempts to claim that God is not a person only Jesus was a person; They are just as hypocritical as any other Trinitarian because of the personal pronouns that on the one hand demand a different god “entities” to pray and speak with each other on the one hand while denying that God is or has “ person” even though the same” personal pronouns” do not magically disappear when you look away!? Further, the idea that God is not a “person” or have “person” only condemns them further for God Said he is ONE if the ONE does not refer to “person” (even though the constructs demand it) then God certainly cannot be three if God claims to be one. For whatever the ONE refers to you cannot break it up into three different “ones”. Since God claims to be ONE ( especially if "ONE" does not refer to "person" but to something else) then you have even less excuse for contradicting God by making God into three different "something’s" )
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ERGO: (A) The Hebrew grammar prevents ECAHD from having compound unity in Deut 6:4 et al (B) The Greek grammar prevents the same word translated into from having compound unity There is nothing in any of the verses that trinitarins cite that demand different persons. They only demand distinctions, but a distinction is not a different person and there are specific verses that state that the father is the same person as the son and the son is the same person as the father in both the OT and NT . thus the Trinitarian argument is not just weak it is nonexistent. They are trying to take “possible interpretations” of one passage to overturn and reverse the meaning of specific passages that make demands. That is the doctrine of devils and fools. ……… challenge them with this and they will either attempt to lie to a ignorant audience or ignore it by just trying to answer with so many words so as to confuse their audience (obfuscate/ use sophistry) God said he would CHOOSE send you STRONG DELUSIONS …..I bet it never occurred to the trinitarians that God would ever use words in such a way as to allow folks like them to “get confused” (inexcusably so) or lied to and delude themselves with. (2Thess 2:11-12/Isa 66:4/1Kings 22:19-23/ 2Chron 18:18-22) Not only do they not know what they are talking about but the books and or people who are teaching these kinds of argument are cowards who know that they cant defend it so they create as many tape-recorded minions and send them out as one of their “students” so they can avoid the risk of embarrassment of being shown wrong and incompetent. But, don’t worry because they have a vey good reason (stupid reason) why you were not able to answer the anti- trinitarins as well as they themselves could have "if it had been them"!?!…However, if on the other hand no one is able to show these minions the foolishness of their arguments, then the Trinitarian scholars and “teachers” will congratulate the minions on how well they have been taught. I can hear Darth Sideous now: “you have been taught well, they will be no match for you”…..In other words, THEY ( the Trinitarian “scholars” and liars who are teaching these arguments) are using you and in their eyes see you as “useful idiots” who regurgitate what you are told to ……….or just “good minions” (like bob and Stewart) …You can choose to “see it” in whatever way makes your dandelions happy…..... …Prov 26:12
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OTHER IMPARITIVES (A).
Hebrews 1:1.
GOD,
who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the
prophets, 2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by
HIS SON
WHO IMAGE OF HIS (GOD’S) PERSON, whom also he made the worlds; 3.
, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by
being the brightness of his glory, and
THE EXPRESS
and upholding all things by the word of his
power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5. For unto which of the angels
THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON? 6. And again, WHEN HE BRINGETH IN THE FIRSTBEGOTTEN INTO THE WORLD, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8. But UNTO THE SON HE SAITH, THY THRONE, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. said he at any time, Thou art my Son,
1. “GOD……OF HIS PERSON,” ……(notice the object of the phrase “His person” here is GOD not father or Jesus the object of the phrase “His person” here is GOD ..it states ….”GOD …HIS PERSON” You cant simply assume father and dismiss holy spirit or any other person that is presumed to be the same one God. Particularly if you’re going to accept that father son and Holy Spirit are all the same “ONE GOD”. If they are not the same “one God” then there is no way to claim the Trinitarian is not a polytheist pagan or that they only worship “one God”. But however, again Trinitarians like to play both sides of the fence as the saying goes. On the one hand Jesus must be the same “one God” as the father otherwise they are two different gods, not “one god” but on the other hand they also want “one god” to be just the father while the son is “another god” they just don’t want to say it that way because they know they are just pagan liars and thieves (Jn 10:1 )..... Thus God states "VERBATIM" He [God]is a person not personS). There is NO verses anywhere that refer to the persons (plural) of God. The only scriptures that refer to God and person do so in the singular tense, NEVER the plural. Yet another big hint!?! The trinitarins on the other hand like to “have their cake and eat it too” as the saying goes. On the one hand there is one GOD on the other you split God up into different persons and say it is the same ONE God but, if they are all the same God ..then that Verse states THE ONE GOD has a PERSON singular.....so you cant take your trinitarian conclusion that there are three different persons to then use to interpret the verse as saying the person of the father is one because: (a) it does not say only the father and not the holy spirit et al, it states God is one. (Particularly if your going to accept that father son and Holy Spirit are all the same ONE GOD; because otherwise you are left with other different gods then GOD)..... (b) Using your conclusion as the premise [or interpretive tool] for your arguments of what the scriptures is called a circular fallacy!?!) Thus, Jesus is the one God; God has a person...Father is the same one God; God has one person......Holy Spirit is the same one God; God has one person. The only way to make this refer to the father while excluding the Holy Spirit and the Son who are the same one God is to have different gods each with his own person......”God ..His (referring to God) person.” If “His” refers to Father God person only then there must be another different God also because God is in 83
the singular tense, Father is in the singular tense. Thus either Jesus is the same God who has a person or this god is a different god. What is modified here is the word God not father and neither is the holy spirit magically excluded!?! For this not to show one singular person for God it would have to state: “The Father….. His person”. That still would not prove that the father’s person is a different person then the son but it would at least allow the possibility for there to be. However, as it is worded it prevents God from having more then one person period!. 2. Some would point to hupostasis for "person" in Hebrews 1:3 and then attempt to deny the meaning by arguing such things as It is the same word used for "substance" in Hebrews 11:1 but faith is not a "person". But the that logic does not follow: (A) The fact that faith has substance or being does not then invalidate or redline what the substance is for People or God or other living entities (ie angels; which is person-hood) Man is made in the image of God. (The fact that faith has substance does not invalidate the fact that the substance of men and God is PERSON-HOOD; God has a person and a man is made in the image of God with person-hood; Jesus person hood was God and God only has one)…It is not that complicated almost every translation uses the word person, or being or nature (That is the issue being addressed here, what is the "nature" or being of God; Three different persons or One person) because things and people can have substance or essence. You cannot simply claim it is one nature but has three different persons because you can’t establish the difference between God’s nature and His person in the first place. However, it is the best English word for what is under discussion. Faith has substance but so do you and so does God that substance is the person and why it is translated as such. Any attempts at denying the person of God in this verse is really just linguistic acrobatics and word wrangling. (B) No matter how you want to translate the word “hupostasis” God only has a singular NOT plural “hupostasis” so you still have no bases for three different “hupostasis” nor for three different persons of God. This is particularly, true since if anyone is going to deny that God is a person, then God certainly cannot be three different persons. We should note also that this eliminates the other bit of double speak that some attempt in claiming that God is three different “personalities” as if three different personalities “is” and “is not” the same thing as three different persons (at the same time, in the same way); in that the three different “personalities” talk to each other (so that they are not left with just one person talking to himself) while at the same time try to skirt the obvious contradiction of having multiple/three different persons (kind of like a comedian who uses different persona’s for his various skits). God is not three different persons nor is he three different personalities. He is One God who sent his right arm via a physical birth into human flesh and the voices and prayer came for the benefit/sake of human flesh not for God’s benefit!?! I will also point out the existence of a strange new and bizarre heresy that attempts to justify or ignore the trinity by claiming that God is NOT a person. God claims to be a person in both English and 84
the original Greek terms that God uses. But this requires little more then just awareness of the existence of that doctrinal heresy. ~ Note how some translations Job 13:8 While they may have been Trinitarian it matters not because God preserves his word which would include the word about Himself. (B).
Hebrews 1:1. GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2.
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by HIS SON, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3. WHO being the brightness of his glory, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS (GOD’S) PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son,
THIS DAY HAVE I
BEGOTTEN THEE? I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON? WHEN HE BRINGETH IN THE FIRSTBEGOTTEN INTO THE WORLD And again,
6. And again,
, he saith, And let all the
angels of God worship him. 7. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8. But
UNTO THE SON HE SAITH, THY THRONE, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the
sceptre of thy kingdom.
(1). Another quick note on the backwards thinking of Trinitarians: They will appeal to passages such as Acts 13:33, Rom. 1:4 to try to demonstrate that “this day I have begotten thee” is not a reference to any beginning for the Son of God (such as Christ becoming the son of God with the birth into human flesh) but rather just a proclamation that he is the son of God that was proclaimed at Christ resurrection, As such they argue that this day I have gegotten then does not imply any beginning to the son of God. However the very verses they point to show otherwise. Acts 13:33. God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also
THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE. written in the second psalm,
Rom 1: 3. Concerning HIS SON JESUS Christ our Lord, which was MADE OF THE SEED OF DAVID ACCORDING
DECLARED BY THE RESURRECTION
TO THE FLESH; 4. And holiness,
to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of from the dead:
There is nothing in this verse or any other that would suggest that begotten was not a direct and specific reference to the birth of the son of man!?. Thus, rather then seeing the NT ref to psalms here as a reference to the fact that Christ who was born the son of God was proclaimed and proven by the resurrection , no they ignore that and try to insist that the begotten is only an some kind of abstract expression that carries no idea of a beginning to being the son but rather somehow only relates to the resurrection as some kind of “begotten-ness”. Obviously Christ was the Son of God before his resurrection so it is only pious fiction that would try to argue “begotten” cannot imply any 85
beginning. But again the fact is the verse only relates that the son who was already the son came and had beginning at birth (when the son by definition became a son of man/of God) and was declared to be such at the resurrection.
JESUS, THOU SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD? Mark 5:7. And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee,
(This is before the resurrection, Jesus Was already the son of the most High God and even demons acknowledge this fact which is sad considering that some Trinitarians deny this fact that even demons confessed!?!) I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. 8. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
They attempt this to try to get around the son of God having a beginning. For the Oneness there is no difficulty because while that part of Gods spirit (His own right arm/hand ) that would come in the flesh had always existed, the son on the other hand is begotten and given (Isaiah 9:6 “Unto a son is GIVEN,) hen that right arm occupied human flesh with the birth of Jesus and that son was NOT preexistent as a son until that son was given and begotten into human flesh. That is what it means to “begot a son”!?! (2.) Note the son is a son by virtue of the physical birth of male human flesh (ergo: “he” “son” ) animated by the spirit of God, NOT the spirit of a mere human. (Lk 1:31-32; Ps 2:7; 1Jn 4:9 ) It is superfluous even fallacious to argue and deny the literal arm of God that comes and called the son because of the physical birth into flesh (“son of man”) but rather insist on a second person of God because a son must be a different person then a human father even though Jesus did not have a human father and God does not take a wife and have children like men do ?!?! “THE SON OF GOD” is a reference to the fact that human flesh was born of a women that was “caused/begotten/belongs to “of God”. What that WOMAN (who is of man) gave birth to was a “SON” (it certainly was not a daughter) and that “SON” (of man/woman) was “OF GOD’ because it was God himself (that son of man belonged to God because it was God’s own right arm ergo “OF GOD”) “Son of God” is NOT trying to communicate that there is a different person who is also God but sent by a different person who is God!?!? God is a spirit in heaven and He put a part of himself that he considers to be his own right arm into human flesh and let it be born of man/woman ERGO: “THE SON OF GOD”/ “SON OF MAN”.… God via the angel told Mary that what was going to be born was to be called the son of God, (NOTE: here in Heb it states “I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?) NOT because the servant/Right arm sent is a different person then the father who sent his right arm/ “My servant” the son. Jesus is a literal son by virtue of the birth into human flesh NOT by virtue of having a different person then the father. Further, it is important to understand that there was no son of God until the son was born however that part of God himself that He considers to be God’s own hand / right arm (by which he created all things and would latter send via a physical birth) had always existed. The fact that God has distinctions between father son and holy spirit is not any more incomprehensible then a man with a head and right arm and a sprit that 86
animates them all. One might be tempted to think that God actually intended for us to understand his nature by using the very creation (even in the language and terminology) that was made in that image. It appears Trinitarians are trying to invert the meaning and reality. God is referring to that part of himself that he considers to be his own right hand/Arm and sent and put into flesh and called that his son/”My servant”. (because that right arm comes via physical birth) God is NOT referring to a different person who is the son as His “right hand” as in “he is my right hand man”! God can be understood by the things that are made and man is the visible image and likeness making the invisible God clearly seen. Thus, trinitarians have NO excuse Rom 1:20. The fact that so many are so ignorant of the arguments and history and OR so unwilling to see it demonstrates 2Thess 2:11-12............... That is why and what “the express image of his person” is plainly telling you!?! Further Jesus is the fullness of God but not all there is to God . If Jesus were all there is to God then there would be no other persons of God and thus you defeat your own Trinitarian argument Your spirit animates your body just as a puppet is animated by a hand in a puppet glove. (the spirit is the life what gives animation to the flesh) You can put your right hand into a glove or puppet and animate it. Your spirit is animating your physical flesh. The physical flesh is nothing more then a more complex puppet of your spirit. Jesus is nothing but that part of the spirit of God that came and occupied the same physical flesh as you and me and animated it in the same way that we are animated by our spirits. The difference is that our spirits were created by Jesus himself who is the father and God of all spirits. If you find the concept of Jesus as a puppet disturbing then just look in the mirror because that is what you are! A flesh puppet which has no inherent derogatory meaning except in the context or in the way in which we see it as it is otherwise used which is an entertainment or children’s educational show.. This might be yet another hint: “child like” in how God’s own descriptions of himself are use so that even a child can grasp the nature of God that God has revealed. Why? The Following Charts shown next are conceptualized diagrams demonstrating certain concepts about “Where God is located” and the “location” of Heaven and earth or the spiritual and physical universes. God is omnipresent and the physical and spiritual universes (environments of men and angels/ heaven and earth) all exist inside of God rather then God existing and limited to the inside of some environment that God himself must depend on. God created the environments for men and angels then projects himself into his creations which is why God is everywhere and the father and son and holy spirit can all be the same person that is injected into those creations at different times and or different ways and yet remain undiluted or disconnected from each other. SLIDE # 1 Here is a diagram that graphically depicts how ONE PERSON who is God can Be everywhere at the same time... If a omnipresent God speaks from two different locations even at the same time why is that so amazing, why would Jesus need to be a ventriloquist?!? But perhaps you worship a small God who can only be and act [communicate] in one location at a time [in only one way at a time] People unwittingly put god into a box or environment for God to live in rather then God creating the box and environments for men and angels to live in. Obviously That part of the spirit of God which is connected to the flesh that was born into this world is connected to that flesh in a way that the rest of the same spirit of God is
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not. Ergo, the distinctions between the Father, Son and Holy spirit are distinctions in function and of circumstance/condition of the various parts of God not differences in person!?! When you were born you were given a spirit by God but it is a human spirit and it animates your physical human flesh (your spirit does not extend beyond your physical body)....when the flesh that was born into this world called Jesus was given a spirit IT WAS THE SPIRIT OF GOD in it, animating it. (the part of God’s own spirit that he considers to be his right hand) God in heaven had a body manifested that the angels interacted with (who is described as looking like a man who sits on a throne) The same God had a human body of physical flesh here on earth that he manifested himself to physical man with. But the fact that God can and did take multiple different bodies at the same time is NOT “evidence” that God is multiple different persons. On the contrary God sates he is one person but it is evidence that he is a God who unlike the angels can be in different places at the same time even in different bodies/shapes/ forms/ projections (Mat 3:16) at the same time doing different things for the very reason that He is God and not just a spirit or an angel. In fact, Jesus is both the high priest who offered his own blood into the holy of hollies in heaven as well as the sacrificial lamb that shed that blood AT THE SAME TIME!! He is the spirit of Spirits the omnipresent God who is in multiple different places all at the same time even in different forms/ manifestations/ bodies (Mat 3:16) NOTE ON REV 21:22-23: Two different projections/forms of the same person .Part of that one person who is God is in the form of a man sitting on the throne while at the same time a different part of the same person God is projected looking like a lamb that was slain .....SAME OMNIPRESENT PERSON in multiple different forms simultaneously.........It is quite Ironic that you absolutely cannot understand/ refuse to accept one omnipresent person who is occupying multiple different projections/forms at the same time ...NO, NO for you it could not possibly be truth. On the other hand you have no difficulty insisting that it must be the same one omnipresent God who is multiple different persons!?!?!............so the choice is ONE GOD who can/is/takes multiple different forms or is multiple different persons?!?!..............What is so ironic is that without the other scriptures to go off of then we could say that both of those are "theoretical possible in and of themselves............. However, we do have specific scriptures with specific information where God specifically claims to be ONE PERSON only!?!?!?........... so your choice to is deny that it is the same person in multiple different projections/forms and insist it must be multiple different persons!?!?!......(if only you had bothered to look and understand the charts).............YOU FOOLS, HYPOCRITES AND BLIND GUIDES! ........your damnation will be most just
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NEXT IS: Slide #2 "where is God"?.....Jesus who is God standing at the right hand of God, YES himself! (Acts 7:56;) ....When I sit down my right hand (an object) is “at my right hand" (a location). Take a look at the diagrams in this Chapter which conceptualizes the whole idea of "where God is". There are many other things we shall continue to explore in this study and once you see it you should realize just how simple it all really is. Then your next question will be “how come then so few or almost no one ever saw all this before”; to which i suggest (A) a few have (B) 2 Thess 2:10-11. It is rather ironic even hypocritical that some would also try to point to Rev 5:7. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. Note the diagram could have just as easily drawn this to show a lamb and a man sitting on a throne. They attempt to point to this verse to claim “see Jesus is not the literal right hand of God because Jesus took it out of the right hand of God” and thus as such, they will argue, Jesus must be a different person then the father. (1) These are the same people who claim “you cant take revelation literal it is symbolic” and “metaphorical”. These are double minded, cherry picking hypocrites. Look, verse 6 states “ and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain.”…So, there is a “man” sitting on the throne but, it was the lamb (look like a slain animal not a human man) that took the book NOT a different man who comes and takes the book out of the hand of the man who is sitting on the throne not that it would matter if it did for the reasons explained here, The point should become obvious once you understand that God can take as many and as many different bodies as he chooses all at the same time without being different persons. Remember, Christ who is our High is also the sacrificial lamb of God, multiple simultaneous roles are not difficult for the omnipresent God. God is “omnipresent” (and not limited to a singular body or body type even at the same time, Side one demonstrates the fact that God did take multiple different bodies at the same time, so pointing to that as “evidence” that God is multiple different persons is just pointing to your Trinitarian conclusion as “evidence” for itself!?! ) Angels are spirits also but they have bodies that they are limited/confined within/ to and they are NOT “omnipresent”. God on the other hand is not “confined to the limited space of a singular body. He created all things and can take as many different bodies as he likes all at the same time without being multiple and or different omnipresent persons! God is ONE PERSON who can be anywhere at the same time!? (2) Take note of the omnipresence of God and how the anthropomorphic (with the likeness of man; hands arms, sitting on a throne or chair) God sitting on the throne is NOT everything or all there is to God. (Obviously the same omnipresent “ONE GOD” was in heaven and on earth at the same time!!) The anthropomorphic God (man sitting on the throne) is only that part of God that is manifested or projected into the place that God created called heaven (spiritual universe); the environment where the angels also live. God created environments for spirits and angels to live in, God exist external of any and all environments (He is “omnipresent) that angels/demons, humans et al live in. God has a anthropomorphic projection of HIMSELF in heaven but God can be in multiple different locations (or bodies) at the same time, doing different things because God is omnipresent/ everywhere! God is not limited to the confines of any singular anthropomorphic manifestation/projection into “heaven” or earth (Gen 18:2) because God is everywhere and anthropomorphisms are just the projections/ manifestations that God who is “omnipresent” (and not limited to a singular body) uses to show things either to his other heavenly host and or to men on earth. God is not limited by any number of anthropomorphism . But God is limited by His own word which is that he does have what he considers to be a right arm and that is what he would send and call his son, and except you believe it you will die in your sins! God can and is in/ manifested/projected in
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multiple different locations doing multiple different things all at the same time, for the very Reason that ONLY HE the omnipresent God could, be “all in all”!?! What John saw in heaven was literal but it was not God in a box it was a box that God projected himself into as a animal that had been slain and as the father sitting on the throne before the angels and other heavenly host. But the omnipresent God is not totally encapsulated in any number of different bodies and or certainly not the limited forms of a lamb and a man sitting on a throne!? There are many different ways these diagrams could have been draw and even if you do not like my illustrations common sense should tell you that if Jesus is God then he is the OMNIPRESENT GOD and the “difficulty” is only one of proper conceptualization not anything found in the text.
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CHAPTER SIX: WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT? NOTE: The relationships between Jn Ch 1, Ch 6, Ch 14 & Ch 16 in this section It is rather ironic that the idea that Jesus never said He and the father and or the holy spirit were the same person is even more ridiculous then the Islamic apologist who say Jesus never said "I AM GOD". If you don’t get the punch line here it is: It is a true statement that Jesus never said the words “I AM GOD” (we know that he is for other reasons using other words) On the other hand, Jesus did say as seen from Ch 1 that he and the father were the same person and now we shall see that he claims that he and the holy spirit are the same person also but first: Now some might point to verses such as: Isaiah 48:16. Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now THE LORD GOD, AND HIS SPIRIT,
HATH
SENT ME. 1 Cor 2: 23. And YE ARE CHRIST'S; and CHRIST IS GOD'S.
…as evidence of different persons of Christ and the Holy spirit. However, at best this only shows distinctions not different spirits or different persons. But different persons/spirits is what you must have if this spirit is a different person then the “other spirit” that was the father and or Christ. This like so many other things compounds not helps the Trinitarian argument. God states that he only has ONE spirit but that part of the spirit of God that is connected to flesh is distinct from the rest of the spirit of God that is not connected to that flesh thus the distinction between them.
ONE SPIRIT
Eph 4:4. There is one body, and , even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, 6. ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
To have different persons (in the “God-head” et al) each with their own unique spirit or person from the other two persons and subservient to just one of those spiritpersons makes a hierarchy of god persons just like the Greek gods. The only difference is limiting the number of these god persons to three as opposed to any other number in the other pagan pantheon of gods. Simply, claiming “no it is not a pantheon of gods. We confess God is one nature/substance/being with three different persons (composing the god-head)”, simply moves the location of your pantheon from Mt Olympus up to heaven into God’s head (but the pantheon is still there, Further, having multiple persons in one head is a mental illness it is not “divine”) !?! In any case, the hint should be in the obvious question “If Christ is God’s (belongs to God, subservient to God) and co equal with God, then Christ is God’s what?? Correct Answer: His right arm that came in the flesh via a physical birth ergo called the son of God. And His spirit that came to them in the flesh, all the same person.
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Col 2:8. Beware lest any man SPOIL YOU THROUGH PHILOSOPHY and vain DECEIT, AFTER THE TRADITION OF MEN, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9. For IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY “All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity’ “ (Aristotle, Fourth Century B.C. quote taken from: Arthur Weigall, Paganism in Our Christianity, 1928, pp. 197-198) “It is generally, although erroneously, supposed that the doctrine of the Trinity is of Christian origin. Nearly every nation of antiquity possessed a similar doctrine. [The early Catholic theologian] St. Jerome testifies unequivocally, ‘All the ancient nations believed in the Trinity’ ” (Marie Sinclair, Countess of Caithness, Old Truths in a New Light, 1876 p. 382). As already demonstrated angels are elohim (gods) and there is only ONE PERSON who is THE HEAD of the gods/ elohim. Thus the word translated as “Godhead” in modern translations here cannot be said to denote multiple different persons of God even if you assumed that original word for Godhood was translated correctly as Godhead.
. Holy Spirit and Jesus the same spirit and same person standing next to them “In the flesh” John 14:9. Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME,
The "oneness" between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man and his wife, for only a fool would say "When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?".......... 10. Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?........
in me?.... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, THAT WILL I DO, THAT THE FATHER MAY BE GLORIFIED in the Son. 14. If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I WILL DO IT
. 17. Even
THE SPIRIT HE
OF TRUTH (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) DEWLLETH WITH YOU (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) SHALL BE IN YOU (future tense “In them”) : I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The ;
whom the world cannot receive, .. for
,
and
...
18. I will not leave you
comfortless
spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh... ....latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given).....that is why. he would send the spirit...... However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you” The present condition was external to them but in the flesh dwelling with them but, the future condition would be internal to them .. Rom 8:9 When you “see” or “pray” to the father (in the name of the father covered further in Ch 7) you are “seeing” and praying to Jesus and visa versa and Jesus will be the one to “come” and answer because father and son are just different parts/manifestations of the same person!? Eph 4:4. There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, 6. ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
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1Peter 1:10. Of which salvation THE PROPHETS have inquired and searched diligently, WHO PROPHESIED of the grace that should come unto you:11. Searching what, or what manner of time THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM, when IT TESTIFIED beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow……… 2Peter 1:21. For THE PROPHECY CAME not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. Col 1:27. … THIS MYSTERY among the Gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory: …. Rom 8:9.....if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DEWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his......... John 6:63. It is THE SPIRIT that quickeneth; … THE WORDS … they ARE SPIRIT, and they are life… Rom 8:9. … THE SPIRIT dwell IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his.
There is only ONE SPIRIT not one spirit for Christ the man another spirit for the Father person (who is a spirit) and a third spirit called the Holy Spirit!?!?!....1Cor 12:13....There is no such thing as three different spirits who are also the same ONE SPIRIT ...it is all the same spirit of the same person....Eph 2:18; 4: 4. There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT. Unless of course, as the trinitarians, you try to count the father (who is a spirit) and the holy spirit as two different spirits and then of course Jesus would need his own personal spirit also….”1+1+1 make three, see how easy it is for me” la-la-la-.…!?!? Col 3:16 Let
THE WORD OF CHRIST dwell IN YOU ...
Rev 19:13….HIS
NAME is called THE WORD of God;
THE COMFORTER FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME John 14:26. But
, which is THE HOLY GHOST, whom
THE
, he shall teach you all things, and
bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you
A SON IS GIVEN: HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED COUNSELLER (This is the Holy Spirit) THE EVERLASTING FATHER,… … Isaiah9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us upon his shoulder: and
and the government shall be
Wonderful,
,
The mighty God,
( Eph 4:6. One God AND Father of all)
THE PRINCE OF PEACE. (Prince is a SON)
Most people appear to be completely oblivious and do not understand the significance of “IN MY NAME” they think it is just a general abstract reference to someone coming for someone else. This is discussed in Ch 7, but the Father and the son and holy spirit all have “THE SAME NAME”. which is good because the NT also states there is only ONE SPIRIT. That one spirit that was coming has the same name as Jesus, not the letters that spell “Jesus” but his true highest name above all other names of God. ONE God; ONE name; ONE spirit; ONE person. So what exactly does it
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mean to come in his name? It means the very same thing as when Christ promised them that whatever they ask for “IN HIS NAME” they would receive. John 16 13 . Howbeit
WHEN HE, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,)
IS COME, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: FOR
HE SHALL NOT
SPEAK OF HIMSELF; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come…….23.:WHATSOEVER YE SHALL ASK THE FATHER
IN MY NAME
, …….
You do not "Pray in the name of Jesus" by saying the the letters "I-N T-H-E N-A-M-E O-F J-E-S-U-S" because that is NOT his name....His name the name that we are to pray in the name of is the ONE name of the ONE God and ONE spirit of the ONE person of God which is: Rev 19:13…:
HIS NAME is called THE WORD OF GOD
Ps 138:2.and praise THY NAME ……. for thou hast Thou has magnified
THY
WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME. ……..Of all the different names God has used “the word” is the highest name above all others, not the letters that spell “t-he w-o-r-d” but the substance/essence the meaning (doctrine/ commands/sayings) et al.
THE WORD, and the Word was with God, and And THE WORD WAS MADE
John 1:1. In the beginning was THE WORD WAS GOD 14.
FLESH.(Rev 13:6/ Mat 12:31-32/Jn 6:63) The spirit which is the word was made flesh the distinctions between Christ and the Holy Spirit are in circumstance and part but it is the very same person. The very passages that so many want to appeal to for the doctrine of three different persons completely destroys their own argument “in a blaze of self-defeating glory” like moths to a flame. Jesus was with God and was God because only that part of God that part of THE WORD” came to man in the flesh and the holy spirit was the same spirit in fact the very same words which are that same spirit. John 6:63. It is
THE SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
speak unto you, they
ARE SPIRIT
THE WORDS
that I
, and they are life…
Rom 8:9.....if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DEWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his......... Rom 8:9. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that THE SPIRIT dwell IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his.
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Mat 10:40. He that receiveth me,
RECEIVETH YOU (Because of that Word)
(The Word) and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.(The
Word) The spirit of God is his word, the word is with God and the word was God; the name of God is his word. When you pray according to the will of God you are praying “IN THE NAME OF JESUS” .NOT when you use the letters "I-N T-H-E N-A-M-E O-F J-E-SU-S" That idea is one of those many "sound bites of ignorance" that everyone likes to rally around but no one knows what they are talking about or what it means. It is a “pavlovian response”, your supposed to say certain words and make certain “amen(s)” almost as if it were all just incantations but not of silly magic. No, this is “serious” theology!?! When God sent the spirit of Christ because there is only one spirit he sent that part of the spirit that was not connected to the flesh but it was the same spirit. That part of the spirit of God did not speak of himself (Jn 16:13) but rather spoke concerning the other part of that same spirit that was connected to the flesh (Jesus) which DID speak about that part of the spirit that was not connected to the flesh (in his comments on the holy spirit) !?!? This is but one more coherent demonstration for the demand of parts of the same person/ same spirit manifested in different ways as opposed to the incoherence of trinity which would have you believe that it is even possible to claim that different persons and or spirits who have greater or lesser degrees of authority and power who worship each other is to be considered worship of One God. You fools you worship a pantheon of three!?! Further, the significance of the fact that the spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit in that flesh was the whole point to Christ words here:
SAID, THIS FELLOW DOTH NOT CAST OUT DEVILS, BUT BY BEELZEBUB THE PRINCE OF THE DEVILS Mat 12:24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they
. 25. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said
unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26. And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27. And if I by
IF I CAST OUT DEVILS BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28. But
then the
ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN: BUT THE BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN. 32. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven kingdom of God is come unto you. …….. 31. Wherefore I say unto you,
BUT WHOSOEVER SPEAKETH AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST, IT SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN HIM, him:
neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
The son of man was the flesh but the spirit that animated that flesh to call that a demon is very very “precarious”. The part of God’s spirit connected to that human flesh in a way that the rest of the spirit of God was not is why Christ can say things such as:
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EVEN THE SON OF MAN WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. John 3:13. And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,
So
how can a person be in two different places at the same time? An ordinary man cannot make this claim, but a omnipresent God is everywhere so that fact that our omnipresent God who is also Jesus was in heaven and on earth standing next to them at the same time is not a argument for multiple different persons. The fact that Christ makes this claim is just another nail in the coffin for the doctrine of different persons, NOT an argument for them. Jesus is making a point of his Divinity but contrary arguments would have Jesus words of no effect and make him less then the omnipresent God who created the universe and can be anywhere and everywhere all at the same time. Mat 23:8. But be not ye called Rabbi: FOR ONE IS YOUR MASTER, EVEN CHRIST; and all ye are brethren. 9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is YOUR FATHER, WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. 10. Neither be ye called masters: FOR ONE IS YOUR MASTER, EVEN CHRIST.
Note the similarity in how that the father which is in heaven is bracketed in front of and at the end with “for One is your master, even, Christ”. Why is the father in heaven flanked by Christ/ The answer should be obvious. Christ is Identifying His spirit not his flesh as the father. On earth, their master was standing in front of them in the flesh, but the spirit that is both in heaven and on earth standing in front of them is the Father because they are the same person. Example: if the air above the water was heaven and the water was the earth below, a man in a boat (standing in heaven) can SEND his right arm down into (descend) the water and then pull it back up (ascend)…the man is one person who is in heaven(on the boat out of the water) and on earth (in the water) at the same time….the hand will ascend and descend into and out of the water(the earth)......................Christ ascends and descends because there is a distinction between that part of God in heaven and that part of the same GOD on earth standing in front of them…….that part of God standing in front of them did descend but it is still the same person and same God that is still in heaven at the same time for the very reason that Jesus is the ONE omnipresent God … while God is great His own words about his own nature are not that difficult to understand, except for the faithless. The only way these things can be understood is as the person of God sending his right arm via a physical birth into the world. You can only understand all the scriptures in the way that God describes it. You cannot understand it using the doctrine of trinity. Every passage that people think shows three different persons can only coherently and consistently be understood as one person with a head and right arm and spirit but not as three different persons. If you were a spirit I could send your right arm (angels who are also spirits also have spiritual bodies) to us in a leather glove (of flesh) but there is no way to claim that you will send someone else who is not as great as you are who is obedient to you and still claim that other person is co-equal with you. When the right arm came to mankind to communicate what the head gave it to communicate to mankind it communicated the information about the God who OWNED that right arm, that SENT that right arm gave it to 98
communicate, about the God who was GREATER then just the God that was standing in front of them (because the greater part of God was in heaven not on earth, same person but not same amount of God) about the same GOD that the God standing in front of them also worshiped and OBEYED and was subservient to. Christ is God in the flesh, the very same God that was in heaven at the same time because there is only One God who manifest different parts and ways not different god persons who are mystically “one being” that exist nowhere and has no likeness anywhere except in the imaginations of Trinitarians and this in spite of clear descriptions of God’s nature as multiple parts of the same person in distinction but not of person. ANTI-CHRIST Trinitarianism is just as Anti-Christ as much as is ISLAM, JW, LDS, ROMAN CATHOLIC et al because (they all confess the Christ/messiah came in the flesh, Yes even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come) they all deny WHO it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?! The following verse makes the point about anit-christ which applies to Trinitarians…..How?!? 1John 2:18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that ANTICHRIST shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19. THEY WENT OUT FROM US, BUT THEY WERE
NOT OF US; FOR IF THEY HAD BEEN OF US, THEY WOULD NO DOUBT HAVE CONTINUED WITH US: BUT THEY WENT OUT, THAT THEY MIGHT BE MADE MANIFEST THAT THEY WERE NOT ALL OF US. 20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21. I have not written unto you
because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH THE FATHER AND THE SON. 23.
WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [BUT] HE THAT ACKNOWLEDGETH THE SON HATH THE FATHER ALSO.
While they say they do not deny Christ/GOD come in the flesh the reality is that they in fact do, because they deny “WHO” came in the flesh and who the “PERSON” of Jesus is!! Even Muslims claim to worship the ONE GOD of Abraham/God of Jesus and confess that Jesus was the Messiah and is even “The word” made flesh. Trinitarins claim to worship one God of Abraham/God of Jesus. The Muslims worship a one God who preaches lies/carnality and for the trinitarins they worship a “one God” who is three different persons who have different amounts of god knowledge/power/authority and send each other around. Neither of those two who claim to worship the same One God of Abraham are worshiping the ONE God that Christians are to worship. Three different persons is not the same as one person manifested in three ways….No matter how much you claim “my God is the God of Abraham, Isaac Jacob & Jesus!?! Muslims also claim they worship the same God of Jesus also The scriptures teach that Jesus is the same person as the father but that Jesus was also sent by the father. Here is the problem, if your a trinitarian those are two different spirits and or persons (as opposed to different parts of the same spirit and person).....one person sends the other person rather then the same person sending a part of himself. However, that is what it means here to deny one is to deny the other, because they are the same person. If you claim that they are two different persons then you deny who the son is and likewise who the father is. 99
-Jesus Claims to be the “I am He” in Isaiah -Jesus Claims He was sent by the father -God claims to send himself and he himself will be the son of God because of the physical birth into human flesh Looking back at chapter two, note and read carefully, in those verses in Isaiah. Isaiah states that someone is going to send someone. Now whichever "Godperson(s)" you think is speaking in these verses, It makes clear that the same person speaking would also be the same person coming/sent and in that day they would know that it was "I" speaking "I AM HE" The “I AM HE” in Isaiah sent himself and it was himself that came in the flesh it was the father God person who sent a savior. It was the father god person that stated that he, himself, would come in the flesh, but the doctrine of the trinity denies that the person who is the father came in the flesh! The trinitarian cannot simply appeal to saying God came in the flesh because their god is three different persons and the point to John 8:24-28 with Isaiah 52:6….. You have no claim to believing that Jesus is the "I am HE" if you believe in the trinity because Trinity holds God in three different persons who are each God...so to you Jesus is not HE but "some other person sent by some other “Him"!?! "WHO" it was (what person) that came "IN THE FLESH", IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! John 14: 8. Philip saith unto him, Lord,
SHEW US THE FATHER
,.. 9. Jesus saith
unto him, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
The "oneness" between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man and his wife, for only a fool would say "When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?" Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip.....Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? The whole point to Christ statements is that he is the SAME person as the father [you want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!]” John 7:7. FOR MANY DECEIVERS ARE ENTERED INTO THE WORLD, WHO CONFESS NOT that Jesus CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9. WHOSOEVER TRANSGRESSETH, AND
ABIDETH NOT IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, HATH NOT GOD. HE THAT ABIDETH IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, HE HATH BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON. 10. If there come any unto you, AND BRING NOT THIS DOCTRINE, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 1 John 4:1. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but TRY THE SPIRITS WHETHER THEY ARE OF GOD: BECAUSE MANY FALSE PROPHETS are gone out into the world. 2. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSETH THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH IS OF GOD: 3. And
EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSETH NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH IS NOT OF GOD: AND THIS IS THAT SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7. Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that GOD SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON INTO THE WORLD, that we might live through him. 10. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and
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sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 12. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13. HEREBY
KNOW WE THAT WE DWELL IN HIM, AND HE IN US, BECAUSE HE HATH GIVEN US OF HIS SPIRIT. 14. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 15. WHOSOEVER SHALL CONFESS THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, GOD DWELLETH IN HIM, AND HE IN GOD.
Look at verse 12-13, do you rest your theology and salvation in the fact that you “love” those around you that you consider to be “of the faith”? Now, look at verse 15 Do you rest your theology and salvation on the fact that you and every other person claiming to be Christian confess that a man named Jesus is the son of God as reason your not anit-christ? If your going to claim that since you confess that a man named Jesus was the son of God and came in the flesh as a reason you are not anti-Christ then every person who even claims to be a Christian, that jesus is the son of God, no matter what their doctrine/denomination is will be saved because they all confess that Jesus is the son of God, thus “God dwelleth in them and they in God” and you have no reason to try to convert anyone who claims to believe Jesus is the son of God no matter what their doctrines/denominations are!. If the reader does not understand the point here, it is because they fail to see in the verse and in that statement of confessing Jesus is the son of God that the MOST IMPORTAINT principle is: “who the person of the man Jesus is” (cross-reference “The Name of the Lord”/ “The word” in Chapter 7) Who the person of Jesus is the whole crux of the matter (There is big difference between a God who sends part of himself born into the physical world and call that part of himself his son verse multiple different persons who send each other around and subservient to the first person!?!) and what determines this issue of “anti-Christ”, not just the fact that a man named “Jesus” was the son of God even the mormons and almost every denomination without exception believe that!?! The issue is not just that a man named Jesus Christ (the savior) came in the flesh but to deny “who that man is, who the person of that man is, that came in the flesh” that is the crux of the issue and defining line of what it means to be anit-christ. Look back at 1John 2:18 1John 2:18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that ANTICHRIST shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19. THEY WENT OUT FROM US, BUT THEY WERE
NOT OF US; FOR IF THEY HAD BEEN OF US, THEY WOULD NO DOUBT HAVE CONTINUED WITH US: BUT THEY WENT OUT, THAT THEY MIGHT BE MADE MANIFEST THAT THEY WERE NOT ALL OF US. 20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH THE FATHER AND THE SON. 23.
WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [BUT] HE THAT ACKNOWLEDGETH THE SON HATH THE FATHER ALSO.
To deny who is the person of the man Jesus is to deny who the person of the father is because they are the same person. If they were not the same person then a denial of one person would not be a denial of the other person automatically because by definition two different persons are not synonymous. The whole point to these passages is showing that the person of the son and the father are synonymous. The fact that you confess that a man named Jesus was the son of God does not acknowledge the person of the son and the person of the father. The son is the word of God to deny the word is to deny the father who sent that word. To deny the word of God (the son) is to deny the God (father) who sent that word. Even if you were still unsure that the father and the son were the same person, you would still be left with the unavoidable fact that if the father and the son are the same person, then to deny who is the person of the father is to deny who is the person of the son and to 101
deny who is the person of the son is to deny who is the person of the father. Thus, as a Trinitarian there could be no expectation of salvation as an anti-Christ. James 2:19. Thou believest that there is
ONE GOD; thou doest well: THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, and tremble.
First notice that James makes a point of stating a belief in ONE GOD as opposed to the pagan practices of that day of worshiping multiple different gods. Trinitarins do not even have a claim to believing that there is one God, Calling your pantheon one God does not magically make the pantheon of god persons disappear or force reality to conform to your “confessions of faith”!?! Three different persons who are each god with different amounts of god knowledge power and authority does not fool anyone except the fools who will believe that the three are one and one is three and you have called on the name of the Lord because, well…..you confessed all of that, so it must be true. Now the words of Christ are spirit (Jn 6:63 …the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.) the words of Christ only describe and define God as “ONE” and as we shall see in chapter six a specific Greek word that ONLY refers to ONE person when speaking of individuals. It is outright willful blatant stupidity to attempt to claim that God is an individual of three different persons and the spirit that claims God is three different persons is NOT the spirit of Christ! The pious Trinitarians are not just fools and heretics but of the spirit of antichrist! They say they love God and each other but they lie to each other and deny the person of the God and the son of God they say they love!?! No they claim that the idea that the son is a different person then the person that sent the son namely the father is the same or equivalent in terms of salvation as the idea that one person sent a part of himself in flesh via a physical birth ergo called the son of God. Those have no equivalency in terms of practical application or in terms of salvation. Trinitarians are aware of this fact which is why they try so hard in claiming that if you do not believe in trinity then you are damned because they know there is no equivalency between the two. If one is true the other must be heretical and or antiChrist. They have brought the lies and now boxed themselves into a corner knowing that they have nothing to loose for if they are wrong (they have convinced themselves they are not wrong) then they nor their ancestors have any hope of salvation they are all eternally damned. This would also mean the vast overwhelming majority of people who claim to be Trinitarians (I have found a few truly have no idea what it means such as by virtue of the fact they would honestly, not with pretense, confess they are Trinitarians but deny that God is three different persons until you explained to them what it means; that had been their understanding their whole life) are lost and they will all burn together with the pagans and heretics. Trinitarians is a all or nothing proposition both in the practical reality as well as the dogma. This is also why they are so dogmatic about their doctrine, not because it is true but because they want to believe that it is true and that any other possible thought of it not being true is too horrible to bear and too cruel to conceive. Never the less, the fact is the same person speaking in those verses is the same exact person that was going to (1) send someone to come (2) be the same person that was coming or sent. The person being sent was the right arm/ "I am he" (this is Jesus). To deny that the person of Jesus is the person of the father who sent him (in the same way that your head can send or put your hand into a leather glove) is to deny the person of the father and so to be a anti-Christ. 102
However, This puts Trinitarians in a “dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t” position. Here is what I mean. If you’re a Trinitarian then obviously the father god/person sent another/different son god/person. However, Isaiah states that the same person sending is the same person that would be sent in the flesh. To deny who the person is that was sent is to deny who the person is that sent them and if they are one and the same person but you deny this then you are anti-Christ for you deny that the person of God came in the flesh for you another different god person then the God person who said he was going to send himself. Thus Trinitarians either have to deny that the “I AM HE” in Isaiah SENT a part of HIMSELF in the flesh (“Anti-Christ” 1Jn 4:3 et al; His own right arm; that he would call his son because of the physical birth into the physical world) OR Deny that the “I AM HE” (the person of the sender) Came in the flesh (Which is also“Anti-Christ” 1Jn 4:3 et al) Did the Trinitarian Jesus send Himself, No! Christ state that he is in fact the “I AM HE of Isaiah (the same person who sent himself) that was the one sent and came! Either way Trinitarians must deny who Jesus is. They deny that the God/spirit person speaking in Isaiah is the same God/spirit/person that came in the flesh. That is what it means to be of the spirit of Antichrist! Trinitarin, your god and Jesus is no more able to save you then the Muslims idea of who Jesus is (a prophet and good Muslim) able to save them. On the other hand the person of the “oneness Jesus” (who is the right arm of the same person of the head) did send himself and holy men of God spoke (recording it) just as the spirit of Christ gave it to them to say. The man to come, Jesus, is the same person that sent that man. They are only distinctions. The father who is the head that sent Jesus in the same way that your head is distinct from your right arm and your right arm does what your head tells it to do. Even so, head and right arm (father & son) are and must be the very same person. What the Trinitarians are left argue for is three different god/spirit persons/who are each different god/spirit/persons and thus the god/spirit/person in those verses sending his right arm is not the same god/spirit/person as the god/spirit/person who would be known as the "i am He" (right arm) in thoes verses...This is why Christ stated Jn 14:9....ergo trinitarians are called antichrist because they are preaching that a different god/spirit/person came not the same person/spirit who is the father in heaven. Trinitarians are arguing that the god/spirit/person who was speaking in Isaiah et al was not the same god/person/spirit who was sent and came but rather a another different god person/spirit sent by the first god/person/spirit ....They literally preach "ANOTHER JESUS" (2Cor 11:4. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.) ..God is a spirit one spirit not three different spirits one in heaven one on earth and a different holy spirit person...........That is why to deny that the ONE GOD SPIRIT PERSON who spoke in Isaiah is the very same ONE that came Is to deny Christ, to Be Antichrist, and they will die in their sins because they have no claim to believing "I AM HE" in Jn 14:9. That is the whole point to the verses in Jn 14:9 as well as in Isaiah et a!?!?
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So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF the same “being”! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (they are text book examples of prov 26:12) This of course is all nonsense and just polytheism with different wrapping paper and a bow on top. (remember this is not one of those unscrupulous pyramid schemes this is a trapezoid with a solid foundation!?!) If Jesus is not the same ONE GOD that the father is then no amount of denials can overcome the fact that Trinitarians would still be talking and worshiping to different (and in this case) “ONE GODS”. If however, Jesus/father are the same ONE GOD then Trinitarianism cannot escape the fact that “THE ONE GOD” would still have to pray and or talk to HIMSELF at some point. Denials only solidify the fact that they do pray and or worship to three different gods; three different god “selfs” and the only place you can find a “being” that is three different persons is in the “logic” and heads of fools who think they worship one God only that does not talk to himself. A tree is known by its fruit...In the beginning God said you will die; Satan came along and stated you will be more "wise".....God and His Children said God is one; Satan's children say no three or triune God is more "wise"...You are of your father the devil. Those who believe in God in three persons are noting but polytheist who insist and “confess” that they are true monotheist....like liars and thieves who insist and “confess” they are not lying and stealing...!?! All liars will have their part in the lake of fire. The fact you claim to be or not to be something does not make it true. You cannot believe in three persons of God if you believe in one God. Three different persons is by definition plurality of beings (godS not God) simply laying claim to it is "beyond comprehension" to explain or understand, but "don't worry we “confess” that we are monotheist and are not polytheist" is in fact just delusional.
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Trapezoid
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CHAPTER SEVEN: “IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER” PART 2 Mat 28:19 does not outline three different names, o ye fools and blasphemers!?! Phil 2:9. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given HIM A NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME:; Acts 4:12. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.
What about the “trinity formula”??.....Mat 28:19.
IN THE NAME OF John 5:43.
the
FATHER,
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
and of the
SON,
and of the HOLY GHOST:
I AM COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME,
Some look at this verse and “see” direct evidence of three different persons, which is quite bizarre since This passages specifically makes the point that Father son and holy spirit all have the same name by placing them side by side equating those with each other as the same person!.. The passage is NOT making a distinction of three different names we are to worship in, pay homage to, baptize into!?! Placing father, son and holy spirit in the same list with each other, it identifies that father son and Holy spirit have the SAME NAME! It does not say IN THE NAMES OF it states IN THE NAME singular not plural (compare: Gal 3:16) (Phil 2:9. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given HIM A NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME:; Acts 4:12. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.) (1) The fact that three things are mentioned in a list is not a “proof” of three different things or persons. In fact, in writing and or public speaking there is a technical use called a tetracolon and also “rule of three” it was widely used by the Greeks and roman orators of whom it is said “perfected it” even today in modern language it is widely used and scriptures use the same basic construct. A good example of this can be seen here in Revelation Rev 1:2 Who bare record of (1) THE WORD of God, and of (2) THE TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ, and of (3) all THINGS THAT HE SAW. (Rev 19:9..These are the
true sayings of God. .10…for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.) …..Also applies to 2Cor 13:14. The grace OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and the love OF GOD, and the communion of THE HOLY GHOST, be with you all. Amen. …Note the use of “GOD” here rather then father. It matters not if you try to assume that father is under discussion here because the fact is there is ONLY ONE GOD PERIOD and in this verse Jesus, God and Holy Ghost are all God and all the same God. All three of these things are the same thing/ message addressed from three different perspectives (or portions/parts) or ways of saying the same thing; It is NOT three different messages or testimonies or “Words of God” !?! (2) John 5:43. I AM COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME, “Father is not a name it is a title just as is “son” and Holy Spirit is not the name of the holy spirit it is the title of the spirit of God. I’m a father and a son does not mean I am multiple different persons too?!? Remember the ONE GOD is also the son of the same ONE GOD otherwise we are looking for godS (then the One God is not truly 105
one). Further, as already demonstrated previously (in Chapter five) God is a spirit and there is only ONE SPIRIT not one spirit of the father a different spirit for the son and a third spirit called the holy spirit. They are all the same spirit of the same person acting/functioning in various ways at various times. (Heb 1:1 diverse ways not different persons see ) (3) As shown at the beginning in chapter one that the OT identifies the father as the son, and the NT the son himself identifies himself as the father. That part of ONE person God that God considers to be his “right arm”/hand is what came. That right arm/hand occupied/ animated the human flesh we call Jesus in the very same way that your right hand put into a leather glove can animate that flesh. However, that leather glove can only know and or communicate and or do the work you give it to do. No place for the Idea of multiple/different persons of God period! (4) There is only one name whereby men are saved (Acts 4:12) It is the name of the Lord that scriptures state our faith is in (Acts 3:16; 1John 3:23) Hint it is NOT “J-E-S-U-S”?!?) That ONE name is the same name that the Father has it is the same name the son uses and the same name by which the Holy spirit is referenced..
HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD; Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and
"to confess His name" or to "wear the name of Christ" is to keep the commands/ keep my sayings (Rev 3:8:..and hast kept my word, and hast NOT DENIED MY NAME et al.) It is NOT to cry out Jesus, Jesus we love you.....nor is it to cry out "in the name of the Father and in the name of the son and in the name of Holy Spirit", we love you save us from our foolishness for we are indeed fools who reject your word (which is your name that saves us)!?!!?..Only baptism (total emersion) into the word /commands (water baptism is a command also) and sayings of Christ is what saves us the words are spirit (Jn 6:63) and this is also what Holy Spirit baptism is. When you obey the commands of Christ you are keeping and confessing His name! To deny the words is to deny the father which is to deny the son. Psalms 138:1. I Will praise thee with my whole heart: BEFORE THE GODS (Elohim; is a classification it is not the name of God; Zech 12:8) WILL I SING PRAISE UNTO THEE. 2. I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy
THOUS HAS MAGNIFIED THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME. name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for
It does NOT say “thy word” (which we understand is what “Jesus” refers to) is given a name above other names because here THY WORD is identified as the name that is placed above all other names. You cannot pronounce “the word” letter by letter that is why they called him “Jesus” but JESUS has a name which is the highest name that God has and it cannot be pronounced letter by 106
letter !?! You cannot pronounce nor could your write out in the scriptures “the word” (all of God’s spoken creation/instructions/ law et al) letter by letter which is why the scriptures refer to “the name of Jesus” which is the same as saying “the name of God” Jesus and God have a name above all other names used. “The name OF Jesus” is a name that belongs to Jesus and “The name OF God” is a name that belongs to God ergo “OF”; but only a fool should think that Jesus or God is the name!?! Mark 12: 28. And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, ASKED HIM, WHICH IS THE FIRST COMMANDMENT OF ALL? 29, And Jesus answered him, THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, “Hear, O Israel,
THE LORD OUR
GOD IS ONE (heis) Lord.” Except you believe it (not someone’s reinterpretation of it) you will die in your sins! God has gone by many names in scripture “Jesus” is just another set of letters found INSIDE /subordinate portion in the WORD OF GOD thus akin to a single brushstroke in a master painting!?! Did you really think the Highest name of God was a name that could be “pronounced” by a man?!? (Consider: e.g. Judges 13:18; 2Cor 12:4 but God’s name is not as great and or “unspeakable???)…
THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and
2. The same was in the
beginning with God.
Your right arm is with you and It is you. The one God in heaven (Who’s name is “THE WORD”) sends down to earth in the flesh that part of himself that he considers to be his own right arm (“THE WORD”/ Is God and is with God ) and hand (via physical birth called his son) for the express purpose of teaching men how to live, how to pray, how to suffer, and yes even how to die to God himself (alone)!? God sends His right hand into a glove of Flesh that we call Jesus. Jesus is not a different or separate person in some imaginary triune God!?! It is the same person of God described as a head (the father in heaven) and a right hand and arm that does everything from creation to the “second coming”....Except ye believe this you will all die in your sins!!! (Jn 8:24)..........This makes perfect sense when you understand the relationship between the father God in heaven with the son who is the right hand and arm of the same God in the flesh on earth. Christ can be in heaven and on earth because it is the one God that is in heaven occupying flesh on earth with only a part of himself in flesh, namely His right hand and or arm. Some would try to claim that the right hand of God is a metaphor while the son of God is Literal… Fools! They are both literal …the spirit comes and was first then latter the physical things we give names to were created to be patterned after/named after the spiritual. The spirit is the true literal. God is a spirit, is God not literal enough for you?!? Thus in the same way that if my hand is in a glove (of flesh) it is till connected to the rest of me that is located wherever I happen to be. 107
John 12:28. Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. 29. The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel
THIS VOICE CAME NOT BECAUSE OF ME, BUT FOR YOUR SAKES. spake to him. 30. Jesus answered and said,
God sent his right hand and arm in the flesh via a physical birth to show men how to live, pray, worship, suffer and die for God…for Jesus himself ……..nothing difficult to understand?? How many other God’s are there for God to pray to? The real question is how can you pretend to worship one God when you hold to an argument that Jesus must have been praying to another different person?! There is only One God for God to pray to!?! Or is Jesus not God?!? If we take stock in what we have examined even just up to this part of our study we can find the STRONGEST evidence that Christ is in fact God and those who are running around claiming that Jesus never claimed to be God are not just willfully ignorant of the scriptures but woefully so, in a “woe, woe, woe, you should know” kinda way. Who is the God of this different person who is lesser then His God and yet is God Himself…..Who is the God of God if there is only One God? Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus
is is is is
the the the the
one one one one
God God God God
but is also the son of the same one God But also the servant of the same one God But also loves/is loved by the same one God But also not as great as the same one God et al ad fin
If you claim to worship one God only then Who is this God of God…!? There are only two basic possibilities. Either you rest your souls in self contradictions, scriptural contradictions and incomprehensible irrationality, and logical fallacies about different persons who are the same God (even though one of those has a different person that he worships as God). or they are one and the same person just like the right arm obeys and is subservient to the head and this is the exact terms scriptures use to describe father and son.. How can Jesus be a different person who is God while at the same time worships a even greater God (because this person has a different person who is God) , who is the God of God? Or use the scriptural references to head and right arm that God and scripture use to describe God’s own nature and the relationship of father and son.
2. John 20:17 ……I ascend unto MY to
MY GOD,
and
FATHER, YOUR GOD;
and
YOUR FATHER;
and
Trinitarins don’t see their self-defeating argument(s) in offering up that Jesus had a God to pray to for the reason of multiple different persons while at the same time trying to claim they only worship ONE God and not three different gods or god persons. Three different persons is nothing more then polytheistic paganism revisited in total hypocrisy with a bow on top……”no no we do not employ a pyramid scheme ours is a trapezoid”……?!? 108
Ps 45:6.
THY THRONE, O GOD,
is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom
is a right sceptre. 7. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness:
GOD, THY GOD,
THEREFORE
hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Who is this God of God?...................Remember we found out that it was actually God referring to His own right arm and right hand that He sends to save man. And Why God states that He is “my savior” God is the beginning and the end He is the master and the servant sent ; He is the blessing and became a curse for our sakes! (neither blessing nor curse have any meaning external of the one God himself the master of the universe gives them in the first place) In fact the scriptures will tell us the reason why God is talking to his right hand and arm. Now we know that when we go about making and doing things normally we use our right hand. But there is also anther reason that God is speaking of and to His right hand and it has everything to do with the fact that God created all things by that right arm and hand and there is nothing that exist that God did not create and thus nothing greater in creation then that right arm and hand that was used to create all of creation! You should notice that these are also about what we think of as “the second coming of Christ”. There is no doubt here that Jesus is what is called the right hand and arm of God; Most of the chapters are shown simply for quick reference sake however only the bold blue underlined is our primary focus here:
3. MATH 26:
O MY NOT AS I
39. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying,
FATHER, WILL, BUT AS THOU WILT
if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless ……….
FIRST: Again take notice of the subservient nature of Jesus….Is Jesus a lesser God or the same God; if the same God then how can he be subservient to some other person who is the father? This is the question that has lead many in error to conclude that Jesus is not God; However, just as in the case of the concept of Trinity not only is that a contradiction but entirely unnecessary and as such unjustified and invalid conclusion. Remember THE WORD is God’s Highest name that the father, son and holy spirit all go by (spirit of truth is the word of truth the truth is the word) Christ also identifies the fact that he is on earth but also in Heaven at the same time because the word is God and that Word is in heaven and on earth all at the same time in part because the universe in heaven and on earth is sustained by that Word of God which is God. (Acts 17:28 et al) . The statement ." God is One " and all the examples that can be cited can all be easily understood within the face value of the statement "God is One" without any further assumptions or explanations unless you do not believe that statement "God is one". The fact that you go about trying to redefine "God is one" other then its face value PROVES that you have no faith in the face value of the statement God is one..........There is no need for "the concept 109
of Trinity" unless you first assume the very thing you are trying to demonstrate. That is called a circular fallacy. The father is God in spirit who speaks from heaven...The son is God manifested in the flesh who speaks on earth .. ....The Holy Spirit is God inside of you, who speaks through us.....The father son and holy spirit are three ways/manifestations of God not three persons!.…....One God, one spirit of God, one person of God who creates all things who was on earth (in the flesh) while in heaven .. SECOND: Lk 22:42 . Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless NOT MY WILL, but thine, be done. 43. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. ……………There are two different wills here so must be two different persons right? But the answer is far more simple then requiring a multiple personal headed god!?! : That part of the spirit of God that is connected to flesh is distinct from the rest of the spirit of God that is not connected to that flesh thus the distinction between them as well as how the spirit of God wars against the flesh of GOD ..Example: Gal 5:17. For the FLESH LUSTETH AGAINST THE SPIRIT, and THE SPIRIT AGAINST THE FLESH: and THESE ARE CONTRARY THE ONE TO THE OTHER: Mat 26:41: the SPIRIT indeed is willing, but the FLESH is weak. Rom 8:1 walk not AFTER the FLESH, but AFTER the SPIRIT…… 5. For they that are after the flesh do mind the THINGS OF THE FLESH; but they that are after the Spirit the THINGS OF THE SPIRIT. But What fool would suggest that since my flesh and the new spirit inside of me are contrary to each other and want different things must mean that I am multiple different persons!?!? When someone goes to put a needle in my arm IT REACTS to pull back but my head tells it no stay there it is for the best….but only a fool would try to conclude that my right arm is a different person..even though it has “a will of its own” (see also the flesh lust agains the spirit and visa versa).. A distinction between the desires or “will” of the spirit and the desires “will” of the flesh or what the spirit wants and what the flesh wants does not make for different persons!?! The only coherent and consistent way to apply all the scriptures is in and with the allusion to head and right arm the head that scriptures make just as your right arm is you and you are the head of your right arm it is with you and is you. The issue is not what God could do or what “great things” you can image that God could do, but rather what did God say about his self, His nature and how did God describe it. The Fact that God can do more then you image is not a valid argument for why God did everything you suggest in spite of what he clearly stated!?!
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Again as we saw in chapter six with the words “hen” and “heis”. When two words or concepts that equally apply have different possible meanings they can only logically apply in a way that they do not contradict each other.(you cannot appeal to self contradiction in terms to make a valid argument)..The Trinitarian argument is incoherent and certainly not consistent with itself. Logically The church members are "Hen" but cannot be "heis". so multiple persons is the demand. On the other hand, your head and right arm are both "Hen" and "heis" this can only be logically coherent as ONE PERSON with parts or parts of the same person. Likewise; Father and son are both "hen" and "heis" logically they can only be one person in parts/portions of the same person It is rather curious how trinitarins will attempt to appeal to the very verses that destroy their own arguments practically “bragging” in their attempts at claiming that the contradictions they create, but ignore, “prove” their doctrine is valid?! Their arguments are not logical, rational or even coherent. Jesus prays to the father who is greater then He is (two different persons one person is praying to the other person) For these fools this shows they are different persons but they don’t see the contradiction in claiming that there is only one God even though one of the persons of their god worships a different greater god person the father. How can Jesus be God but also himself obeys worships His own God (who is presumable a different person) and still claim that there is only one God and they only worship that one God. Thus any attempt to apply multiple different persons creates logical nonsense and self contradictions. Simply claiming the contradiction is a “Great mystery” because God is so great does not solve the self-contradiction it only indicates that someone has chosen to accept the self contradiction in spite of any or reason or possibility no matter how consistent or coherent those other arguments may be. On the other hand, Jesus can be subservient to God worship God, obey God, the father can be greater then the son who is the same God if they are understood in the terms God described himself namely as parts of one person. Your head and right arm are distinctions from each other but they are not different persons. Your right arm is not as great as your head is; you are the head of your right arm; your right arm is the same person as you and your head are. When two or more concepts apply they can only apply in a non contradicting fashion. The Trinitarian position demands trust in logical incoherence as the “Best” solution to applying all the data. This is why Trinitarian doctrine is a doctrine of devils and fools who deserve the damnation they are already under.. The following chart shows the ONE name of the ONE God who Saves us; who Loves us; Who sends Himself; in the name of the father and in the name of the son and in the name of the holy spirit. “In the name of the Lord” is a reference to a name that the Lord Has. … It is NOT the name itself or the name itself that the Lord goes by!?! The Lord’s name it is NOT “father” or “son” or “holy spirit” or “Lord”. However, the name of the father is the same name as the son and the same name as the Lord. (I.e. In the name of the Republic, only a fool would think the republics name is “republic”)
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Acts 2:38…IN Jesus Christ….
THE NAME
Acts 19:5. When they heard this, THEY WERE
BAPTIZED IN
NAME
THE
of the Lord Jesus.
Rev 19:13…:HIS called
NAME is
Acts 4:12 for there is NONE Mat 28:19. Go ye therefore, …BAPTIZING OTHER NAME under heav of THEM IN THE NAME of the men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE S Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Note “THE NAME” not three diffe 20. Teaching them to observe all things God only has ONE name that sav whatsoever I be baptized into which is the sam have commanded you: baptsim
Rev 2:3. And hast borne, and ha Ps 138:2.and praise thou hast
THY NAMEpatience, and for MY NAME
(Phil 2:9. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given HIM A NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME:; Acts 4:12. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.)
laboured, and hast not fainted…. John 1:1. In the beginning was
THE WORD, and the Word with God, and
THE WORD WAS GOD 14. And
THE WORD OF GOD
THE WORD WAS MAD THY WORDFLESH.(Rev 13:6/ Mat 12:31-3 THY NAME.
Thou has magnified ABOVE ALL
Mat 10:32. Whosoever therefore shall Rev 3:8:..for thou hast a little confess Rev 2:13 and thou HOLDEST strength, and hast kept my word, and hast me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. NOT DENIED MY NAME.33. But whosoever shall DENY ME MY NAME, and hast NOT 2 Peter 2:1... bring in damnable heresies, DENIED MY FAITH men, HIM WILL I ALSO DENY before EVEN DENYING THE LORD that bought them. my Father which is in heaven….Titus 1:.16. They profess that they know God; but IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
1John 3:23. And this is his commandment, That we should
John 17:26. And I HAVE DECLARED
THROUGH FAIT HIS NAME…..
Acts 3:16
BELIEVE on THE NAME UNTO THEM THY NAME, and will
declare it: that the love wherewith thouhast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
Rev 3:12. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will Isaiah 30:27. Behold, write upon him THE NAME OF
Zech 14:5and the Lord my
GOD
SHALL COME, and all THE NAME the saints with thee. (1Thess 4:1 MY GOD, and THE NAME OF OF THE LORD COMETH
THE CITY OF MY GOD, WHICH IS NEW JERUSALEM, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I Rev 2:17 "NEW NAME writt a no man knoweth saving will write upon him MY NEW Jeremiah 31:31.(Heb 8:8) … I will make which NEW COVENANT with the HE THAT RECEIVETH IT NAME house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
COVENANT .. in the house WHICH IS CALLED by MY NAME Deut 11:18 … lay up THESE Jeremiah 34:15 a
MY WORDS in
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Psalms 20:1. The Lord hear thee in the Jeremiah 34:15 a COVENANT day of trouble; THE NAME OF before THE me in the house WHICH IS
2Sam 6:2 to bring up from thence
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ARK OF GOD, WHOSE NAME IS CALLED (De THE NAME OF THE horses: but we will remember THE Therefore shall ye lay up THESE MY of hosts that dwelleth between the C Deutbind 10:2. And I will write on THE T NAME OF THE LORD our WORDS in your heart and in your soul, and them for a sign THE WORDS that were in God. GOD of
Jacob DEFEND THEE;…7. CALLED by MY NAME Some TRUST IN chariots, and someHis in covenant is His word Deut 11:18
upon your hand, that they may be AS FRONTLETS which thou brakest, and thou shalt P BETWEEN YOUR EYES. THE ARK.
Jeremiah 31:31.(Heb 8:8) … Mat 36:28. For this is my blood of
Daniel 9:27.And he shall
NEW COVENANT with CONFIRM
house of Israel, and with the h with many which is shed for many for the remission of week: and in the midst of the Judah: 33. But THIS SHALL for one COVENANT that I will make with sins. week he shall cause the sacrifice and house the of Israel; After those days, sait oblation to cease, and for the Lord, I will put my law in their inward and write it in their hearts; and will b overspreading of abominations
THE NEW TESTAMENT, THE COVENANT
Acts 3:19. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that YOUR SINS MAY BE
BLOTTED OUT, WHEN
God, and they shall be my people. 34 teach no more every man his neighb Dan 9:24. Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people man his brother, saying, Know the L and upon thy holy city, TO FINISH THE all know me, from the least of them u TRANSGRESSION, and TO MAKE greatest of them, saith the Lord: for AN END OF SINS, and to make
RECONCILIATION FOR INIQUITY and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY,
REMEMBER THEIR SIN NO MORE.
THE ARM OF THE LORD REVEALED? MY RIGHTEOUS SERVANT HE BARE THE SIN OF MANY Isaiah 53: 1. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is
..............11… by his knowledge shall ….. 12. …. and
Prov 8:17. I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me…… 22. THE LORD POSSESSED ME IN THE BEGINNING OF HIS WAY, BEFORE HIS WORKS OF OLD. 23. I WAS SET UP FROM EVERLASTING, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24. WHEN there were no depths, I was brought forth; WHEN there were no fountains abounding with water. 25. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26. WHILE AS YET HE HAD NOT MADE THE EARTH, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27. WHEN he prepared the heavens, I WAS THERE: WHEN he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28. WHEN he established the clouds above: WHEN he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29. WHEN he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: WHEN he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30. THEN I WAS BY HIM, as one brought up WITH HIM: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; …. 36. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death Proverbs 30:4 WHO HAS ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN, OR DESCENDED? Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
WHAT IS HIS NAME, AND WHAT IS HIS SON’S NAME, Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth?
If you know?
Take note that the question should be taken to pre-suppose one name or the same name for both!? What is the name of the person who has ascended and or descended from heaven?. Answer: “The word” (God/Jesus) and What is that persons 114
sons name? Answer: “The word” (God/Jesus)..The ONE GOD has ONE PERSON and ONE Name for that ONE PERSON ……..”THE WORD”
THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and
2. The same was in the
beginning with God.
CHAPTER EIGHT: “CAN WE TALK ABOUT ‘US’?”
But some will say “what About Gen “God said let us”………Summary: 1. it actually states “ELOHIM said let us” the word is plural or singular depending on context and who is getting credit for the action.. Further, while verse 26 uses the plural pronoun “us” it then uses the single pronouns “his” and “he” to reference God in verse 27. Thus, the argument that would claim God must be a plurality of persons because of verse 26 would also demand that God is a single person in verse 27. Logical coherence and or even so much as basic consistency are not values that the Trinitarians can afford to concern themselves (or anyone else,”…. never mind that man behind the curtain”) with too much. 2. The scriptures call angels and demons et al Elohim because the word is NOT a name but rather akin to a classification of life….Animal life….Human life…..Elohim life….Further the word Elohim is used in the very same way that the English word fish is used the same spelling of the word can refer to singular or plural, as in:…I have a FISH (singular Ex )…or…I have many FISH. (plural) 3. Thirdly and most importantly, apparently either ignored or by virtue of absolute gross and inexcusable ignorance or willfully so but God has a conversation with a certain man, “in your KJV bible”,( or any of the other translations ) and lets him know that the angels were present and participating and doing work in the creation! In fact, God makes a point to tell this man that the man does not know the names of and or the “who did exactly what” during the creation. A king proclaiming work to be done before all of his servants: only a fool would doubt that He is talking to his servants and instead think he was only talking to himself.!?!? While it is true that God spoke some things into existence it is untrue that everything created was spoken into existence. Man was “formed” from the dirt that God had already created several days prior. Man was not spoken into existence he was first formed and then God breathed into the clay/dirt that had been formed. If we create machines to do work for us, then when the work is done WE not the machines claim and obtain all the credit
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How come so many are so ignorant of these scriptural facts?..and yet I know why……. it demonstrates 2Thess 2:11-12............... When God said He is ONE, there is no excuse for God In three persons…… Some would ask: “Does it means that angels is also a creator?”...NO why would it?..if you create a machine that can do work for you when the work is done YOU still get all the credit...God Created the angels (host of elohim; who also are always described looking like men because God created them with the same image that God himself is describe as having!?!) who in turn were involved in the creation process when God created the heavens and earth...Thus, although they (all the other elohim) were present and participating in the creation it was Lord Elohim (Lord of the Elohim who is himself Elohim; aka GOD) ALONE who gets ALL the credit because God created the angels and everything else...simple logic....the fact that the angels were present and participating is not mutually exclusive to God taking all the credit for the work any more so then a king takes the credit for building his empire even though his servants are involved in the work..they all do the work under the authority and power of the King and in this case it goes even further because in this case the King even created the servants that will be participating in the construction processes
Well Now,…………“Lets talk about ‘Us’” The fact that the plural form Gen 1:26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness”…is used could only be said to demand if anything at all that others are present. But that still would not tell you who the others present are. The use of any personal pronouns do not affect how many persons God is either. When the chief Elohim speaks ..."HE" (Elohim) said “let us” (referring to the other elohim in his presence) .just like the FISH said to the other FISH “let us” et al ad fin...or to say it another the then the FISH said to the FISH “let us”. The creation account is the physical universe heavens and earth there is no mention of when the angels are being created . The angels are also in the image of God, (Zechariah 12:8) Angels, are in the presence of God they are created higher then man before man was created and are the executors of God’s desires......The concept is simple three parts or slices of one single person/pie verses three different pies/persons, in the same way that one person has various parts. My hand is not my foot and the head of my hand is me (1 Cor 11:3) but there is only one person of me who is made in the image of God . One pie three pieces of pie or three ingredients of pie but not three different pies!
. THIS, NOT
Trinitarians (God in three persons) seem to miss that fact that as subordinates (employees or angels) do or not do as much or as little as directed to do. We know from Job 38:5,7 that the angels were present and involved. However the 116
Trinitarians must assume that “us” does not and could not apply to the angels being present. Man was created from the dust of the earth and there are ~ 117 elements that make up a rock or a man, the breath of life comes from God . We know the angels were present and participating so did the angels assemble any of those 117 elements for God to breathe in? It matters not; the point is you cannot build a Trinitarian argument based on what you do not know in spite of God’s own direct description of himself that He is ONE. God left his descriptions such that if you want to believe in multiple persons of God you can and be dammed for it or you can keep his words and understand all those “suggestions” of multiple persons as just one person with various different parts, aspects and measures. The is issue is not the technical term “ONE” or what that means but rather do you or do you not believe what God said. He is one; Satan comes along and twists what God said so as to make it so easy to doubt the literalness of God and His words. Trinitarians (God in three persons) base their ridiculous arguments on things such as "us", assuming the very thing in scripture that they are trying to show from the same scriptures!?!...They invoke circular fallacies. Christ already told us, point blank, that he is the father!.....….The whole Trinitarian argument is based on erroneous assumptions about “us” When Christ point blank tells you he is the father!?! God said “one”…...Satan said "Three in one is more wise”...that is exactly what they are doing....they are just making assumptions and then using their assumptions to nullify the words of God ......That is a doctrine of devils!....Why do they resist the truth? Christ is that part of the one person of God that came in the flesh, NOT a second or different person of God . In the same way that my hand and my arm in a glove can come to you and it is me one me not a different me nor is it all there is to me. The heretics should have considered the fact that man is made in the image of God so that “analogy” is not just appropriate, but the only scriptural and logical application of God’s own words without “interpreting for God” what God really meant to say. All of the verses used to suggest Christ is a different person or the third person of a trinity can be just as easily, without contradiction, be understood as three manifestations or simply parts of one person of God . My hand is not my foot and if you put a nail through it, it will cry out to me also. My right hand which creates all things (which is how Christ is described the right hand) I build as well can communicate for you to come to me all while a voice from the head comes out and states this is my hand you had better listen to it. Christ is simply the flesh that the spirit of God occupied and animated from birth till death. That part of God’s spirit was attached to that flesh in the very same way our spirit is attached to us and so being would experience the same “separation” at death pain et al. Trinitarians will point to “Us” in scripture as evidence for a plurality of persons of God while at the same time claim that “us” and “WE” is the “royal we” and only refers to his majesty, both are utter nonsense. “Us” was a reference to Elohim Which is not the name of God it is a classification like the word Human...I am human you are human we are human.....God and the Angels and demons are all called Elohim because the word means supernatural translated as God or gods depending on the context....When God said let us make man in our image God was talking to the Angels and we know this because Scriptures tells us that God spoke to Angels using the word "US" as well as the fact that 117
the scriptures tell us the angels were present and participating in the Creation ........There is no logical implication anywhere in scripture other then for “God is one” and “His person” …… It is simply silly to suggest that God uses the phrase "God is one" to imply that God is three even though he specifically states that God is a "PERSON" singular NOT persons plural your trying to deny the words of God claiming you do so out of humility and respect to God which is utter nonsense. Important to note the following: 1. Everything that was made was NOT spoken into existence such as man and the animals were formed from the dirt that had already been spoken into existence Man was formed from preexisting material he was NOT spoken into existence 2. While God spoke the worlds into existence, there was specific work done during either before that even preparing and was accomplished FIRST BEFORE the worlds were SPOKEN into existence or afterward as part of that creation............ In Job 38 Job is asked several question by God which he cannot answer because Job does not know the answer. If you have a construction crew and they go out and build a house you would still say that "YOU BUILT THAT HOUSE" even though other lesser employees did the actual work. God has all power and even the power that the angels exercise was given by God . God created but the angels were there and participating and that is why Job cannot answer ANY OF THE QUESTIONS about who did what.......... Look at the whole chapter God tells Job that He did certain things and then ask him who did certain other things ....and Job cannot answer any of the questions Job 38:4. Where wast thou when I LAID the foundations of the earth? (God takes direct credit fo this action but will make a distinction in who did other things in the actual act of creation of the earth).declare, if thou hast understanding. 5. WHO HATH laid the measures thereof, (God stated emphatically that laid the foundation BUT who “marked it out”?!?) IF THOU KNOWEST? or WHO HATH STRETCHED THE LINE UPON IT?..... Job knows that God laid the foundation but Job does not know who did the preparation work, how come if he already knew that God did it?!?.. 7. WHEN the MORNING STARS SANG TOGETHER, and ALL THE SONS OF GOD SHOUTED FOR JOY?...Note it does not say that the only thing they did was sing and shout it is simply a true statement that the did sing and shout but Job does not know who stretched the line upon it or anything else except for the specific mention that God himself laid the foundations. No matter what you “think” the fact is the angels (who are also identified as elohim in scriptures demonstrated latter in this same section) were PRESENT & PARTICIPATING in some fashion (we don’t know and it does not matter if or how their signing contributed to anything) the point is: Only a Fool would think that the/a King (of the ELOHIM) in a room full of his subjects who are to participate in some work to be done was talking to himself when he uses the word "US" and "OUR" and yet trinitarinas gleefully demonstrate they are those fools with their arguments. It does not matter how much or little the singing or anything else such as measuring the angels may have done contributed to the creation any more then it matters how much the fans at stadium contribute to the game (many would say they contribute quite a bit) it only matters that when we say “lets play ball” or “lets have ourselves a ball game” or “lets get this game on” 118
we are not talking to ourselves in solitude, (as in God speaking to his own “royal we”) and the fans and especially THE CHEER-LEADERS, (singing et al angels) and water boys and those guys that measure the "first down" in football)would naturally be included in the “us” and “our” game.... Was God just bluffing? Was God telling Job you know I laid the foundation but did I do the other things or did someone else …Job could have called God’s bluff and said you did it all God for to you along belongs all the glory!...Ah, but it was NOT a bluff nor a vain attempt by God to claim “I did it all by my lonesome but ummmm..or did I?” Perhaps Trinitarians know better then God himself who did these things…if only Job had the wisdom of the trinitarins!?!?. God had the angels who are also Elohim do some of the work such as lay out the measure and line. We don’t know exactly who did all of What and it is not necessary to know that the angels were doing work involved in the creation and it was “Elohim that said “let us” The angels were there and doing something exactly what we do not know just as Job did not know who did what. Job only knows that all things are done by the power of God but job has no idea who laid out the measure of if or who did any of the other things that God ask Job even though God told him that God himself laid the foundation. There is no contradiction or difficulty here. The angels were there doing the work that God gave them to do In the creation process. The fact is numerous times in scriptures even IN HEAVEN (but also on earth too) angels and God appear with the same image as we have. ( ie Daniel 7:914; 9:21; 12:6; Zech 1:10; Gen 3:8; 18:2; Joshua 5:13-14; 13:6; 1Kings 22:19; 2Chron 18-18-19; Rev 1:11-15; 4:2; [these things are in heaven]). Now, either man is made in the image of God ..or as you are trying to suggest that God and the angels are only forming and or projecting themselves into our image!?! The whole trinitarian argument attempts to turn all of scriptures upside down and makes everything God said to be a lie, as opposed to taking them for what they actually tell us about the image and nature of God, Angels and man. The angels look like God for the same reason that we do God created the angels to look the way they do and Angels are Elohim who were present participating and who God spoke to when he said "let us". Trinitarinas can and will deny it, refuse to accept it but they are simply just delusional which is to be expected for God said Isaiah 66:4 & 2Thess 2:11-12. You see, God did not do things the way they imagined with their preconceived brainwashing (from the pulpit of devils that shaped their ideas) and hated the God revealed in scripture as revealed in scripture. The issue is not what so much what the scriptures say as it is about who they love more the word of God and his descriptions or the imaginations of vain and heretical (not to mention ignorant; willful or otherwise) men who created and loved lies more then the truth it is that simple........ However, God gets all the credit much in the same way that any other Boss or King gets credit for the work that their men do under the kings authority and power. However, in this case the King had even created the subjects who were doing the work. So the fact that angels were involved takes nothing away from God because God created the angels as well! Ultimately the creator of all things is God (including the other Elohim) but God used the angels just like he used a process of time that he also created et al. The fact that creations such 119
as angels were involved does not take anything away from God or Who created the entire universe, any more then if we build machines capable of building other machines...the machines do NOT get credit!!...This is also why God and the angels are always described looking like us, or rather we look like them. Unless of course you think God is just projecting himself into OUR IMAGE!?! Simply put, there is no way to logically argue that we are not in the image of the other Elohim (including angels who look like men who all look like the Lord Elohim) when they too were there participating and looking like us. Psalms 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the
ELOHIM
(angels), and hast crowned him
with glory and honour.
Heb 2:7. Thou madest him a little lower than the
ANGELS;
thou crownedst him with glory and honour,
and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
The writer of Heb writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit translates the verse in Ps to angels but not only does he do this but actually his whole polemic is a reference to the angels (called Elohim) who gave and administered the Old Law under Moses. Ex 22: 9. |0000| because
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TRESPASS (Heb 2:2)
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|0430| guilty |0430| ELOHIM
them, |0834| whom |7561| declares
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(God sent Angel(s) referred to also as Elohim or “Gods” which brought plagues et all upon Israel for their disobedience. This is sometimes translated as “JUDGES” but the judges here are not people but the angels who are put in charge of ministering the law blessing and penalties of the law of Moses to them). 4932| double |7453| to his neighbor.
IF THE WORD SPOKEN BY ANGELS was stedfast, and EVERY TRANSGRESSION and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;….. 5. For unto THE ANGELS hath he not put in subjection the Heb 2:2. For
He is drawing a contrast between how things were in the Old heavens and earth as opposed to how things will be in the New Heavens and new Earth. This could also be the reason why we do not see supernatural things taking place today in the same way or extent they appeared to have taken place in the past : Compare .with…Rev 3:21. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne….. Rev 2:26. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:……The world to come, whereof we speak.
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contrast is the Angels in charge verse the saints. ….….. 7. Thou madest
A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS
him (ElOHIM) ; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: This part of the verse verse is quoted and translated in From:
The Book of Psalms has much more to say on this issue though it is not just restricted to one or two verses and no attempt has been made in this section to cover them all. Psalms 95:1. |1980| O come, |7442| let us sing for joy |3068| Yahweh.
(the self-Existent or Eternal;
Jehovah,)
|7321| Let us shout |6697| to the Rock of |3468| our salvation. 2. |3468| Let us come before |6440| His face |8426| with praise. |2158| With songs |7321| let us shout |0000| to Him. 3. |3588| For |0410| a God |1419| great | 3068| Yahweh.
(the self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah,)
|4428| and a king |1419| great |5921|
ELOHIM
“[of] “The Gods”; or perhaps “supernatural(s/spirits) ” Note here Yaheweh is the King over subjects/servants all other elohim. above |3605| all |0430|
Psalms 97: 9. For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far
GODS.
ABOVE ALL
(the word here is ELOHIM)
Note that the word Elohim also has a singular sense, despite its form (see also Ex 4:16, 7:1). In the Ps references here we can also see that “ALL ELOHIM” demands that each one is a elohim. This is to say that the scriptures are NOT using Elohim in these passages to suggest that all the angles as a collective group (form or operate) are elohim but that they are all elohim and thus as such must be each one elohim. The comparison and contrast is also made in the fact that there are “OTHER ELOHIM” and God is above those other elohim. The Next passage also makes the point and comparison of the congregation of elohim as such each one must be elohim so as to be a congregation of elohim. When he states “YE are elohim they cannot be taken as a collective group as elohim only as opposed to individual elohim because the very point here is that the other elohim are not acting in unity with the elohim who are doing what they are supposed to.
GOD STANDETH IN THE CONGREGATION (This is in HEAVEN among the angels, not on earth or with men) AMONG THE GODS (the word here is ELOHIM) YE ARE GODS (the word here Psalms 82:1.
of the mighty;
he judgeth
.
6. I have said,
;
is ELOHIM) and all of you are CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH. 7. But YE SHALL DIE LIKE MEN, (Men do not die like men they are men and die because they are men; these Angels who were fallen angels and are the angels to be judged and take part in the second death just as men do) and fall like one of the princes. Exodus 18: 11. |6258| Now |3045| I know |3588| that |1419| {is} greater
YAHWEH
|3605| than all |0430|
ELOHIM
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“the supernatural’s or spirits”) 0552| truly, |1870| in the manner |1834| in which |2102| they were tested |5921| against them …. (Lev 19:31; 1Cor 10:20; Deut 32:17; Col 2:18; Zech 12:8; Ps 82:6-7; Ex 23:22-24;) …………..et al ad fin …It is would be rather pointless to claim that Yahweh is greater then all those others that do not exist if no other Elohim (god’s) did exist. How great you are to be so much better then things that do not even exist!?!? Why you too lowly human are greater then all those gods that do not exist for you do exist in reality and those false god’s do not exist in reality!?!?.....What nonsense men create when they pervert the scriptures and deny the meaning. Amos 4: 2. …………..11.
THE LORD GOD (|3068| Yahweh) I (Yahweh) AS GOD (Elohim; it was the hath sworn by his holiness,
have overthrown some of you,
angels that were sent to overthrow Sodom not Yahweh himself) overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, (Gen 18:22; Gen 19:1; 19:13 Angels were sent to destroy it and why Paul et al understood that angels are Elohim which is a classification of life NOT the name of Yahweh only a title because God and angels are Elohim life) and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned UNTO ME, saith the Lord.
WE (the angels; Gen 18:22; Gen 19:1;) WILL DESTROY THIS PLACE THE LORD HATH SENT US TO DESTROY IT. Gen 19:13. For
, because the cry of them is waxen great before
the face of the Lord; and
In this next passage we find God in heaven on his throne with his heavenly host (angels et al) around him and speaking to them he ask “Who shall go for US” because Elohim is a classification of life not a name when God is speaking to “US” and “OUR” there is no justification for using this as “evidence” that God is multiple persons. Ironically this would be true even if God had claimed (which He most certainly never did ) that he was multiple persons, because there is exclusivity to who the comments are directed toward…. . DIED I SAW ALSO THE LORD SITTING UPON A THRONE, HIGH AND LIFTED UP, AND HIS TRAIN FILLED THE TEMPLE. 2. ABOVE IT STOOD THE SERAPHIMS: each one had six ings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. 3. AND ONE CRIED UNTO ANOTHER, AND SAID, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, IS THE LORD OF HOSTS: THE WHOLE EARTH IS FULL OF HIS GLORY. 4. And the posts of the door Isaiah 6:1. In the year that king Uzziah
moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. 5. Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts. 6. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: 7. And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips;
ALSO I HEARD THE VOICE OF THE LORD, SAYING, WHOM SHALL I SEND, AND WHO WILL GO FOR US? and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. 8.
Then said I, Here am I; send me. 9. And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand
not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. 10. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and
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be healed. 11. Then said I, Lord, how long? and he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, 12. And the Lord have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land. 13. But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.
Note: “supernatural/spirits/ other then physical power and presence; Note Samuel prophecies from the grave!?! 1 Sam 28: 13. |0559| And said |0000| to her |4428| the king, |0408| not |3372| Do be afraid. |3588| For |4100| what |7200| have you seen? |0559| And said |0802| the woman | 0413| to |7586| Saul, |0430|
ELOHIM
Gods |7200| I have seen |5927| coming up |4480| out of |0776| the
earth.
1Cor 8:5. For though
GODS MANY
THERE BE THAT ARE CALLED AS THERE BE GODS
, whether in heaven or in earth, ( , and lords many,)
Another whole book could be written just on the use of Elohim in the scriptures use to Angels and even demon but also take note of the fact that the scriptures state that man was made in the image of the Elohim Gen 1:27. So God created man in his own image,
GOD (ELOHIM)
IN THE IMAGE OF
created he him; male and female created he them.
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God is in a room full of other Elohim (a classification not a name just like human) What fool would think that A king standing in a room full of other human or Elohim persons was talking to himself if he said “let us”???.....Angels have the same Image as God because they were created higher then us with the same image that is why God and the angels appear like men in scripture they are not coping us we were made to look like God who made his servants look like Him...............His first servants are other Elohim and they were participating in the creation just as scripture tells us. I have actually had to address this way: .. Wait……. ”God said he is “one” and uses the person in the singular never in the plural ……and my argument is circular….?? The scriptures describe God looking like a man in heaven …The angels looking like men in heaven and it calls those angels Elohim …..so God is in a room full of other that the scriptures say were involved in the creation and you think he was talking to himself and or that my argument that he was not talking to himself is circular..?????” This is not the same as saying angels are creators. God who created the other Elohim angels Gets the credit because they themselves are creations of God but the issue is "ELOHIM said let us" only a fool would think that the Chief Elohim in a room full of other Elohim who are going to be doing at least some contributing work would think that the Chief was talking to himself. Jesus who is God, sits at the right hand of God . The environment of the physical universe as well as the environment of the Angels in heaven all exist internal to God by virtue of the fact among other things that they are all 123
limited where as God is unlimited thus the limited must logically exist within the infinite...Ironically those that try to argue Trinity "punting" to the glory and incomprehensible grand nature of God don't realize they are in fact putting God into a box (an environment) that God lives and depends on inside of, rather then the Box existing within God ......so tell me "How big is your God"? The spirit of Christ and the Holy Spirit are one and the same spirit. Next You should notice that In all of these references the phrase “I AM HE” is not just generic references to “I am he” but specific to the God who is speaking about His own right arm, yes himself!! …….On “BEING” a PERSON…… There a chasm of dichotomy between what (A) Trinitarins claim ….and (B) what they are doing in actuality ….. (1) the Trinitarian claim is that God is three different persons but still ONE being ( ASSERTION) (2) The Trinitarians three different persons is in REALITY three different beings. Because a person is “a being” and “a being” is a person. (REALITY) Simply imagining that there is a compatible but diametrically opposed pole difference between “a being” and “a person” does not make reality conform to the contortions of delusion. Man is made in the image of God and since “even his godhead is clearly seen by the creation so that they are without excuse” and you do not see such a thing anywhere in creation the idea that one being could be three different persons who are not three different beings when a person is a being by definition then what is really at work here is a willful denial of reality in favor of someone’s imagination. So, while the trinitarins do not CLAIM to worship three different beings, the REALITY is that they do PERIOD! Simply lying and denying to themselves and others about the facts changes nothing and shows them for who and what they are. Anyone can invent magic fairies in their heads and claim they get powers from stardust and describe it in vivid detail but this does not make it real or true. So, while the Trinitarians claim they worship one God being on the one hand they in fact describe three different beings…because THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN REALITY AS A SINGLE BEING THAT IS THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS. A rose by any other name is still a rose….Trinitarians can claim that God is three different persons that constitute a single being but the fact is there is NO SUCH THING except in their own wild imaginations and self contradicting ideas. Thus, Trinitarians can claim all day long that they do not think that God is three different beings but REALITY does not care about what anyone claims….THE FACT IS that the Trinitarian God IS THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS WHICH IS THREE DIFFERENT BEINGS …….and THREE DIFFERENT GODS PERIOD! a man; a person….. IS……. ONLY ONE BEING (NUMBER/QUANTITY) a man; a person… HAS…... ONLY ONE KIND OF BEING (TYPE/KIND) This is the same as saying: 124
I ONLY have ONE vehicle……….. NUMBER/QUANTITY I ONLY have ONE KIND of vehicle … TYPE/KIND (This does NOT tell you how many vehicles I have it only tells you how many kinds of vehicles I have) It does not matter what you imagine in your head or what you want to believe (or what you describe for everyone) in spite face of scripture and logical sound thought. The fact is that THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS (sometimes also described with three different minds and three different bodies in three different locations) IS THREE DIFFERENT BEINGS PERIOD. And do deny this fact is just delusional nonsense by those who choose to live in prov 26:12. You and two other people (that makes three) can NEVER claim to be the same single/ one being.....You can only claim to have the same KIND of being, but you and two other people are in fact three different human beings, three different persons is three different beings because a being is a person and a person is a being. Three different persons can be ONE TYPE/KIND of being but yet they are still three in NUMBER of beings! THREE human persons….. IS……. THREE BEINGS (NUMBER/QUANTITY) THREE human persons… HAVE…... ONLY ONE KIND OF BEING (TYPE/KIND) Kind of being = human being I ONLY have ONE vehicle……….. NUMBER/QUANTITY I ONLY have ONE KIND of vehicle … TYPE/KIND The fact that different persons can have the same KIND of being is NOT the same as saying ONE IN NUMBER OF BEINGS, because three different persons can NEVER be ONE IN NUMBER OF BEING…..in fact to suggest such is a oxymoron. A person is a being and three different persons is three different beings so to say God is three different persons who are one being is in fact to say (while trying to hide behind different terms that mean the same thing) "God is three different beings who are one being". It would be just like me trying to say I have one Vehicle that is three different cars. That is incoherent nosense! Further, it is important to understand that ONE VEHICLE is NOT the same as ONE KIND OF VEHICLE....one HUMAN BEING is not the same as ONE KIND OF BEING that is human!?! Three or Billions of different human persons is still three or billions of different beings. “A human being" is ONE single being...However, billions of human beings is NOT ONE single being!?! In any case, three or billions of humans is always three or billions of beings and three or billions of persons!?! When you try to insist that billions of human persons can be considered or called human (one Being called human) Then you would inexorably exacerbate the problem not solve anything because billions of persons that constitute “a being” you want to call human would just be a race of different people/persons that is in effect the human race. And as such, for the same reasons your God would also just be a 125
god race of three different persons and this is nothing but polytheism using different terms. You are now left with worship of a god species (perhaps trying to avoid using those terms) and could not possibly be considered monotheistic in any honest sense of the word and or concept. A rose by any other name is still a rose. Three different persons is three different beings a single being that is three different persons only exist in the minds of those that create and hold on to that idea. The scriptures never say such things and Man is made in the image of God and that image demonstrates no such thing. The terms that God uses for the number of beings and persons of God is very specific and leave no room for multiple different persons or beings or a being that is multiple different persons. THE ANGEL OF THE LORD This is a short explanation that may be expanded in the future. We have machines that can be programmed and even “AI” or “superficial intelligent” machines these machines do the work given and act in ways prescribed by the builders. If we construct a machine to dig a hole it is equally correct to say the machine dug a hole or as the builder of these machines you are digging holes (using the “tools” you have constructed to dig/ shovel/machine) It is simply a matter of perspective. However, in any case even if we say the machine (orb of light/ Angel of the Lord in the shape of a man or any other shape ie pillar of fire) is doing work or taking action even if we refer to it using personal pronouns, only a fool would think that the machine is another person of the person who built the machine in the first place!?! If man can build superficial intelligent machines why would it be difficult to understand that the angel of the Lord need not be another person of God but simply that creation of God that has whatever measure of intelligence God created with to “go before them(Israel)”. The Israelites had better listen to this Angel/creation because the name of the Lord (which is the word/commands/programming of the Lord) is “in him” in the same way that the word of the programmer is in the machine we build to dig the hole. Note modern machines are quickly even being able to decide who and how to kill in war environments. The Angel of the Lord was not another person of God who was God except that God created the manifestation to carry them to the promise land with specific instructions on how and when to punish them for their transgressions. Ergo: Exodus 23: 20. Behold, I SEND AN ANGEL before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21. Beware OF HIM, and obey HIS VOICE, provoke him not; for HE WILL NOT pardon your
MY NAME IS IN HIM. 22. But if thou shalt indeed OBEY HIS VOICE, and do ALL THAT I SPEAK; then I WILL BE AN ENEMY unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.23. FOR MINE ANGEL shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, transgressions: for
and the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
(NOTE: It could be that the angel/messenger/agent would not pardon because he was instructed not to pardon OR because, the agent here is not a person but more akin to a engineered or programmed creation/”machine”) In any case, the angel and God are not synonymous in persons but rather in function. Just as the machine that digs the hole for us is synonymous with our digging of a hole using the tools we have constructed and or programmed to do such. To say we dug the whole is accurate but also addressed as such as a matter of perspective. In the case, of a 126
artificial intelligent machine of our creation is or can function “autonomous” (although not without our programming/”word” being in it) where as the shovel we made is not. Those that want and love the truth can easily see how the scriptures do not present multiple different persons of ONE God . On the other hand, those that want to find multiple different persons of God in the OT et al will not be convinced no matter what or how a thing is explained. God used plain scriptures to describe himself as one and left the “uncertainties” to “mystery” and this is the trap that God has set (yes a trap! ref:2 Thess 2:11; 1Kings 22:19-22) While the Trinitarians deny the plain “ONENESS” of God (they only pay “lip service” to it and claim three in one is just a mystery) they bask in the obscure things that might have been true mysteries for the ancients and concoct obscure hysterical readings as certainty for multiple persons. How hypocritical that they would deny the “mystery” for the ancients while demanding they had “better certainty” of God’s nature and that is why we are left with the mystery a God who is really three in one!?! No matter what the ancient peoples of Moses day understood these things the point is whatever you think the mystery of God’s nature is, the fact is you have the plain language and even more information in the modern world to grasp and take the words of God is one at face value without introducing a concept that is only visible in obscure references (that have other possible meanings) and assuming the conclusion (that God is multiple different persons) and then using that conclusion to “interpret” and “extrapolate” multiple different persons of ONE GOD . This is called a circular fallacy. Anything physical that God manifest himself with/in can from different perspectives be considered God and not God….If God manifest himself in a ball of light or in the shape of a physical man, the manifestation is God and yet at the same time God is not physical so it is not God . It is simply a matter of Perspective. However, in the case of the angel of the Lord (in such passages as Ex 23:20-23) and “My name is in Him” it is not difficult to understand particularly in our modern society. Therefore you are without excuse; the ancients may have had reason to chalk certain things up to mystery but you have real world analogies/ parallels so you do NOT have excuse to use their lack as validation for your denial. It matters not how the ancient could have understood these verse since there is no reason and no difference between a “mystery of God” in ancient times or just claiming they understood it by moving the “mystery” into the NT/modern times ?!? Fools you have no excuse.
CHAPTER NINE: “ A ‘BEAUTIFULL’ LIE………..” Eph 2: 3. Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past IN THE LUSTS OF …, fulfilling THE DESIRES … OF THE MIND;
A tree is known by the fruit it bears. The fact that God said he is "one" and someone came along and contradicts that and states "God is three in one" should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden...God said you will die...Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE......today .God said He is one; but Satan's children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the 127
Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: "NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons". Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image! The worship of different persons who are each God with different degrees/amounts of god knowledge, god power and god authority that authorize and send each other around on different missions is the practice of polytheistic pagans who worship their gods, NOT Christians. Simply calling all of your different gods, “God” does not change the fact that you are worshiping multiple different god persons. Claiming that worship of three different persons is the worship of only one deity is not just a contradiction in scripture and terms but just as ridiculous as taking a ford pickup truck and replacing the hood (and all other emblems) ornament(s) with a Mercedes-Benz emblem on it then trying to pass it off as a Mercedes sedan!?! FOOLS!, If you can worship three different persons as one God then anyone who worships the Greek gods could also claim they too are “really” monotheist who only worship one god who just happens to be multiple different persons in heaven (one comes down and visits) since the origins of the gods have them all come from a single one source “God essence” as well!?! This is called: "Soft" polytheism, which holds that gods may be aspects of only one god, that the pantheons of other cultures are representative of one single pantheon, psychological archetypes or personifications of natural forces or for the trinitarians "characteristics" "love" wisdom" et al ....The only difference is not in practice but rather terminology. Trinity refers to three different persons as one God the Greeks could agree with the three different god persons are just attributes to one God;...!?!? This same kind of dilemma would also exist for Hindu Polytheism as well; Reference “the ten avatars of Vishnu”. Vishnu and his many faces. It would not matter if any one claimed that their ONE god using the Greek et al pantheon was the same God as the bible or not. Because, the point is if you can claim to be monotheist then so too could any of them in which case there would not need be any difference between polytheism and monotheism at all!?! Simply claiming that three persons is ONE God as a mystery is not valid any more so then a pathological liar who makes the claim he does not lie, you just don’t understand him (and or how “mysterious” his ways are) as valid proof of his assertion that he speaks the truth! What determines the worship of ONE God is not in the mere claim but rather in the reality of the language that God communicated via his scriptures to us. ..........One God person or three different God persons one of those is monotheism the other is poly theism with nothing more then just a different wrapping paper on it that claims were not polytheist “DRINK UP, THIS IS NOT POISONIOUS” …... . It appears that most everyone is looking at this all backwards. God is referring to his right hand that he sent and put into flesh as his son. (because that right arm comes via physical birth) God is NOT referring to a different person who is the son as His “right hand” as in “he is my right hand man”!
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How "Ironic" (hypocritical) that Trinitarians will try to deny the scriptures use of God literally sending His right arm (even ridiculing that) because of its Anthropomorphic implications and yet that is the exact bases for all trinitarian arguments!?! It is the anthropomorphic descriptors that trinitarians try to use to reasons for arguing a demand for multiple/three different persons of God (ie. had to be multiple persons so that God was not praying to himself et al. If God is one God the of course he was praying to himself. However, if one person who is God is praying to anther more powerful person who is also God, then God is not one God; .(And then you are either a outright fool or lying to yourselves in claiming you worship one God). But then again the worship of multiple different gods has always been such a beautiful lie. The new twist is we don’t call is different gods we call each and all our different gods “the one god” . There are only distinctions in the manifestations due to being in different kinds of universes ie spiritual & physical and functioning differently in those all at the same time....Same HE or HIM but the HE that is in heaven is also the He that is on earth but the HE on earth is subordinate and obedient to the HE in heaven because the HE in heaven is the greater part of the HE that is on earth....YES HIMSELF!?!.. . Those who believe in God in three different persons are noting but polytheist who lie in insisting that they are monotheist....like liars and thieves who insist we are not lying or stealing, you just don’t “understand us”(our mysteries)...!?! ...FOOLS!...All liars will have their part in the lake of fire.:... . .... These fools will walk right into the fire of hell thinking they are honoring God; “I NEVER knew you”…get ready for it, your turn is coming soon enough so get your “Shocked and surprised face” all ready to go. Your theology is utter foolishness and hypocrisy. It is justly fitting that just like those wrestling entertainers (actors) who so “eloquently” perform their fake faces of surprise and shock, that you prepare yours for the real thing because of your “acting” (hypocrisy)!…. Fools, your damnation is just! ... GOD IS LOVE SO GOD MUST BE MULTIPLE PERSONS RIGHT?? Another argument that seems to be very popular to put forward these days is basically that God is love therefore God must be multiple persons. How or why trinitarians think that one demands the other (Love demands multiple persons) is bazaar in the first place. They will try to argue that If God only shows love to the creation and or through God’s creation then God is dependent on creation and or love demands a relationship between persons. 1.Such statements are invalid for how could it even be logical to attempt to claim that “therefore” the or a God could possibly be dependent on something that did not even exist until he created it!?! That makes no sense. The Source for all variances in the universe substance and emotions and relationship all come from a single source God . Ironically this argument that makes God dependent on the human understanding of what Love is!?! Before anything existed the word existed. The word is love because all other love and 129
relationships that were created came from it. The nature of God is not dependent on the created relationships of humans!?! That is called a non sequitur not a logical statement/argument of faith. So we are to believe that God must be multiple persons because if he only shows love in or through his creation then a God would be dependent on a creation that could not even yet exist!?!…….. So either God would have to have been dependent on something that could not even exist … OR ....God must be multiple persons?!? ….This is a false choice. Both options are logically invalid. God is love, God is also consuming fire………Trinitarians are attempting to employ false paradigms by carrying (contortions of) the relationships (pun intended) between love and God further then is defined by scripture or God himself who defines all terms…..… This argument is really only a modern twist and attempt at the ancient pagan arguments that held multiple gods based on the multiple characteristics of the universe with a god for every attribute. The twist is that the Trinitarians insist that only three different persons (as opposed to an infinite persons in the pagan pantheon) are needed and that the different “god persons” are all somehow the same “one God” so and by such , they would say they are not polytheist?!?……They insist you accept it and chalk it up to the incomprehensible grand nature of God………… 2. The Trinitarians will in hypocrisy demand a INCOMPREHENSIBLE grand nature of God to “Rationalize” a triune single God (explain how one God could be three different persons but not three different gods) but demand a COMPREHENSIBLE kind (relationship) of love. Rather then relegating God’s greatness and incomprehensibleness of God’s love no, no they choose instead demand a comprehensive nature of love and deny what God clearly has stated about his great and grand nature!?! Yes your body parts do “love” 1 Cor 12:25. That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another…When someone goes to put a needle in my arm IT REACTS to pull back but my head tells it no stay there it is for the best….but only a fool would try to conclude that my right arm is a different person even though it has “a will of its own” (see Ch7 also the flesh lust against the spirit and visa versa)..?!??!. This Trinitarian attempt to deny what God plainly states about his own nature and “PERSON” based on the trinitarians “rational” arguments but build a god on the incomprehensible concept of three different person who are each God with different “god” powers and knowledge as only ONE GOD rather then what that really is which is three different Gods….... HYPOCRISY AND LIES!. Their arguments are just pathetic excuses to call God a liar and or love the lies they have created for themselves in denying what God himself has said about His own nature. …God is ONE….but Satan and his minions come along and say NO, three in one is more wise… Fools hypocrites and blind guides your damnation is just! 3. God creates the devil but takes no credit for evil and it is true not because there is some other greater authority then God himself to define who gets the guilt or because it is comprehensible according to your concepts of love, evil et al but rather because God who creates all things has sole right to define the nature of all things including who gets guilt. Until God created and or defined guilt there is no guilt in existence to ascribe to God or anyone. God can send strong delusions and rightly claim that he does not tempt anyone with evil because God defines guilt not dependent upon the definition of guilt you 130
fool…… Likewise God is love because He defines Himself that way not because there is some knowable “authoritative” definition of love that God is dependent on or subservient to ….Fools!?! Love is NOT a relationship nor is a relationship love!?! Neither is God dependent on your idea of Love and relationship. Love is a God (God is love) who created ALL relationships and share part of himself (love) with and allow to pass between. God’s definitions comes first to define the nature of God, NOT first your definitions of terms which then are to define the nature of God . . While Trinitarians will punt to God’s incomprehensible nature to justify three in one as one God but then turn around and deny that God is one person because they cannot comprehend (incomprehensible) how God could be love without that God being multiple different persons !?!?..……Why your (Trinitarian) sudden need for such Comprehension? If God created all relationships and the love that exist in those relationships was also created and God can be “ THE WORD” and also can be “LOVE” without being dependent on how the created versions of those things (such as created versions of love in the physical world) are defined. These kinds of foolish arguments are analogous to watching a condemned criminal (the doctrine of trinity) who has just been run through with a sword and his pathetic last dying gasps of air trying to hold on to his “life” ([of an invalid] position) that is inexorably slipping away knowing he is damned for all of eternity and only hell and eternal death is his future. Though he is still alive but for a few more seconds he knows he is dammed to hell and no one can save him. Like Judas, his fate is sealed and knows there is no hope left only eternal damnation. Why all of the futility in trying to explain a thing that is not in scriptures and even most theologians who believe In it have at one time or another admitted that it cannot be fully understood rationally or with our limited human understanding. They will say things such as: “ According to Gregory of Nyssa it is technically improper to speak of more than one man or more than one God, on the basis that there is only one Essence for man that is universally and fully present in each individual men. Likewise with God and the Divine Essence. So far that on it's own does not disprove the claim that Trinitarians are Tritheists. What does though, is that each individual human being is divided in space (corporeally) and time (immaterially). Our activities and actions are separate from each other. Even when we do the same task as another, or assist in a task with another, we are still not united in our acts with the other person. For God though, it is completely different. GOD, BEING SIMPLE, there is no division between the persons in act or activity. There is no separation of time or space. They are truly one. AT THE SAME TIME THOUGH, God is not an isolated individual. HE IS A COMMUNITY and union of Love. If we are to take God's own words seriously when He says that He is Love, then we must take the Trinitarian view. Otherwise what one is left with is the self-thinking thought of Aristotle, or the impersonal One of Plotinus. Even then though, OUR CONCEPTS OF TRIUNE-NESS AND ONE-NESS ARE NOT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND the true nature of God . They are symbols suited for our created minds, INCAPABLE OF TRULY GRAPSING GOD'S BEING.” (from various Trinitarian correspondence) However, what the Trinitarians are really saying is that God is so great and wonderful, and yet God is not smart enough or capable enough so as to be able to 131
describe himself in a way that mere men can understand... God is not smart enough to overcome our limited ability to understand his nature. In fact what they are claiming is essentially we don’t know but don’t argue with us and let us tell you all about it. The reality is that they are claiming the nature of God is so complicated and no one can really understand the nature of His person or the words unless you simply understand the God is triune but don’t let it confuses you because it is incomprehensible anyway!?! If you cannot grasp the simple concept of "ONE" then the rest of all of theology (good or bad) is moot. “The Trinity is not that God is three persons and one person at the same time. It is that God is three persons in one substance. Three distinct persons but only one God . It is not illogical, but it is outside our realm of experience.” (from various Trinitarian correspondence) What fools! If that is not illogical then nothing that anyone can dream up or imagine or propose (that has no relationship to any experience or reality we know of) is illogical either! God, on the other hand, described himself in terms of His own creation that was created in His own image. So you will be without excuse when you are eternally damned for not believing that Jesus is the Father and same person and God in heaven Our spirits were separated from God and chained to this flesh until it dies. (which means the spirit separated from the flesh) So God came to us and chained himself (his right hand and arm) to the same flesh that we had. When Christ died the spirit of God that was in Christ left physical flesh that it had once animated and when to the grave. Death had no power over Jesus because Jesus is the right hand of God that created the place of the grave, death and hell itself! But the issues goes far beyond just an image of God, even so Jesus is nothing more then flesh with that part of God that God refers to himself as His own right hand and arm animating it for us so that we can see the father or the God who is spirit. It is God come in the flesh to teach man about God and how to worship, live, pray, suffer and even die to God Himself?! People want to believe in trinity so badly they "invite" all kinds of fancy words. concepts and speech but never address the facts that (1) God specifically claims to be ONE person only both in his descriptions and in the very linguistic terms scripture and God himself uses (2) Ttrinitarians pretend that some verses can only be understood if God is multiple different persons but that is a lie and "slight of hand" trick they employ, they make much more sense understood as parts of the same person (and that is consistent with the linguistic terms used) All of the scriptures and reasons/arguments that trinitarians offer are just as easily understood as one person in various parts of the same person even using the very same terms for those parts that God himself uses to describe his own nature and does not require multiple different persons. (3) The trinitarian not only ignores the descriptions and terms that God uses to describe father but rather rest in the baseless assertions as “insights” (“could be” is not a base or foundation for valid arguments) that they put forward as what God really meant to say and insist that what they envision and what they 132
infer must be the truth about God’s nature. Their own arguments and positions are unnecessary creative and imaginative drivel. The doctrine is nothing more then unnecessary circular fantasies put forward as “necessary inferences”......... (4) The trinitarins argue not just in circles but can only attempt sophistry and obfuscation to hide these self contradictions and logical demands of clear text behind more obscure references and then complain we just do not understand them and that everyone is just equivocating of some other academic tomfoolery. However, they cant deal with the arguments or the scriptures because their argument only make sense in their own twisted minds and to simple minded fools who miss the wack mole and bait and switch arguments and those who choose to live in prov 26:12 They create all kinds of "beautiful lies" (terms and concepts not in scripture, that they incorporate external of any basis except to say perhaps that scriptures "provoke" these concepts in their {vain] imaginations) so as to attempt to explain the (A) unnecessary (B) contradicting self/logical et al (C) incoherent doctrine of the trinity all while heaping praises upon it, telling everyone how "necessary the doctrine is but "never mind the man behind the curtain" (the fact that there is absolutely NO necessity for it either to understand the nature of God which scriptures tells us is clearly seen as opposed to mystically incomprehensible) . There is NO truth in the doctrine of the trinity it is nothing more then a "beautiful lie" they have constructed for themselves no doubt with God's help (2Thess 2:11)........This here perfectly exemplifies all the "beautiful things" and mystic world(s) they so imaginatively conjure and invite the listener to enter into. They offer not truth or clarity but rather a vivid world of "wonder and mystery" and are no different then sorcerers ..... Perfect examples of Prov 26:12 who will be found among those in Rev 9:21. Neither repented they of their murders, nor of THEIR SORCERIES,…….. The spirit of Christ is not the same spirit as a man....God himself animated that flesh of Jesus ...You are animated with the spirit of a man, however, Jesus is the spirit of God in flesh animating that flesh…....Ergo: God come in the flesh…..In-fact to deny this is to be anti-Christ. You say you want the truth, but you lust for a lie! Modalism address and quite simply demonstrate easy to understand coherent “model” of all the “difficulties” that so many people like to bring up so as to “demand” multiple different persons in the first place. Once you see just how simple it all is, one can only shake their head and wonder why Trinitarians ever even so unnecessarily attempted to present their arguments at all. I list a few key considerations here in a “logical progression of thought” so to speak:
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(1) MODES: undeniably God uses modes to describe himself…Jesus claims one specific mode and then even references those passages where God explains them and states if you do not believe it you will die in your sins…so the only real issue is not that modalism cant explain it ..it is simply one of either A. you have not given it proper consideration or B. Mat 19:11..All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given…either way the problem lay not in any deficiencies of modalims but rather in the faith of men who claim to put all their faith and trust in the word of God when really it is just a faith in their particular chosen interpretation of it….which should lead everyone to think on 2Thess 2:11-12 (contrast with the fact that Trinitarian councils decided that modalism is a heresy) (2) WHAT MODES SPECIFICALY: God claims that his own right arm is the "him" that he loved, your right arm is with you and it is you and it is sub servant to you and it is not a great as the rest of you and it is distinct from your head and can only know and communicate do what your head gives it to ……… but it is NOT a different person. Man is made in the image of God and God uses that very image to describe his modes. There can be little leeway for why folks refuse to accept this in favor of constructs that God never describes and never names they can only be extracted through unnecessary burdens of chosen interpretations (3) PREXISTANCE: Consider what it means to be human and what it means to be a person from the whole “preexistence of Jesus ” issue (yes Jesus has always existed BUT not always existed as a human man)........... That part of the spirit of God that God considers to be his own right arm comes occupies and is “fussed” with human flesh in a way that the rest of God is not. The distinction is in that fact and the “additional sensations/existence” that human flesh/spirit fusion create, not a distinction in person. (4) GOD IS LOVE, (father loves Jesus; son loves father)… Pg 94-97 GOD IS LOVE SO GOD MUST BE MULTIPLE PERSONS RIGHT?? …..The Trinitarians will in hypocrisy demand a INCOMPREHENSIBLE grand nature of God to “Rationalize” a triune single God (explain how one God could be three different persons but not three different gods) but demand a COMPREHENSIBLE kind (relationship) of love. Rather then relegating God’s greatness and incomprehensibleness of God’s love no, no they choose instead demand a comprehensive nature of love and deny what God clearly has stated about his great and grand nature!?! Yes your body parts do “love” 1 Cor 12:25. That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another…When someone goes to put a needle in my arm IT REACTS to pull back but my head tells it no stay there it is for the best….but only a fool would try to conclude that my right arm is a different person, even though it has “a will of its own” (see Ch7 also the flesh lust against the spirit and visa versa)..?!??!. This Trinitarian attempt to deny what God plainly states about his own nature and “PERSON” based on the trinitarians “rational” arguments but build your whole God on the incomprehensible concept of three different person who are each God with different “god” powers and knowledge as only ONE GOD rather then what that really is which is three different Gods…... 134
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The fact that distinctions can be made is not a justification for separate persons of God ...with respect to the son and father they are described as head and right hand......we are made in the image of God and God uses that very description about the father son relationship.....There is a distinction between my head (the father in heaven) and my right hand and arm (God in the flesh aka the son) but my head and right hand are distinct from each other but they are not two separate persons. The same holds true for any light (or any other acrobatic example the Trinitarians like to use from time to time) no matter how many Characteristics it may have. You as a individual person also have many characteristics but still one light and one person of you. A distinction is not a separation The fact that distinctions can be made is not a justification for separation persons of God ...with respect to the son and father they are described as head and right hand......we are made in the image of God and God uses that very description about the father son relationship.....There is a distinction between my head (the father in heaven) and my right hand and arm (God in the flesh aka the son) but my head and right hand are distinct from each other but they are not two separate persons. The same holds true for any light (or any other acrobatic example the Trinitarians like to use from time to time) or other example, no matter how many Characteristics it may have. You as a individual person also have many characteristics but still one light and one person of you. A distinction is not a separation. Head, hands feet are all distinct yet they only yield one person. The whole argument for Trinity requires its subscribers to accept a need for it in the first place and then based on that "need" go about to create a doctrine of trinity...where there was never a reason to suggest it in the first place. Every difficulty on the nature of God can be understood within the face value of One person. What is so troubling and yet telling, in demonstrating the hypocrisy and double mindedness, is the fact that they attempt to argue it is not three persons as the word person is normally defined but then spend the rest of any discussion trying to convenience everyone why it must in fact really be three separate and different persons as the world is normally used. We (the Church) preach one God and if you preached one God you would not be arguing against it. (James 1:8) Trying to excuse the doctrine of trinity is really nothing more then complaining that your doctrine is not a rationally understood or a rationally demonstrable doctrine. That is not a defense of "the faith". It is a demonstration that your doctrine is irrational, unnecessary and invalid. There can be no claim to justification for even putting forward an explanation (Doctrine of trinity) that is unnecessary and even contradictory to "One God". You cannot begin to explore an explanation for how "one God" is “really” three when it is not needed in the first place and the only reason to attempt it requires you to assume the very conclusions you are trying to reach so as to reinterpret it. The whole argument for Trinity requires its subscribers to accept it 135
first and then interpret the scriptures with. There was never ever a reason to suggest it in the first place! It is exactly like creating a problem that does not exist so as to provide a solution to it. The problem exist because others created it. In fact, it is exactly like me trying to suggest there was more then one NT Jesus because mark and Matthew mention different details then creating a whole doctrine of multiple Jesus when in fact that is completely unnecessary and in-fact inexcusable, so too is trinity it is unnecessary and a blatant contradiction of Scripture unless you reinterpret scriptures that never needed any other then face value interpretations in the fist place!!! These guys cant seem to see the circular fallacies of Trinity which make it just as much a heresy as suggesting multiple Jesus and crucifixions in the NT and for the same reasons. SECONDLY: Marcellus of Ancyra (fourth-century AD) said that the idea of the Godhead as three hypostases (hidden spiritual realities) came from Plato through the teachings of Valentinus, (c.100 - c.160) Valentinus taught that God is three hypostases and three prosopa (persons) each of the three persons being 1. the Father, 2. the Son and 3. the Holy Spirit: "Now with the heresy of the Ariomaniacs, which has corrupted the Church of God ... These then teach three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him 'On the Three Natures'. For he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he is discovered to have filched this from Hermes and Plato." Source: Marcellus, in Logan 2000:95/ AHB Logan: Marcellus of Ancyra (died c. 374AD) (Pseudo-Anthimus), On the Holy Church: Text, Translation and Commentary. Verses 8-9. Journal of Theological Studies, NS, Volume 51, Pt. 1, April 2000, p.95. “All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity’ “ (Aristotle, Fourth Century B.C. quote taken from: Arthur Weigall, Paganism in Our Christianity, 1928, pp. 197-198) “It is generally, although erroneously, supposed that the doctrine of the Trinity is of Christian origin. Nearly every nation of antiquity possessed a similar doctrine. [The early Catholic theologian] St. Jerome testifies unequivocally, ‘All the ancient nations believed in the Trinity’ ” (Marie Sinclair, Countess of Caithness, Old Truths in a New Light, 1876 p. 382). Col 2:8. Beware lest any man SPOIL YOU THROUGH PHILOSOPHY and vain DECEIT, AFTER THE TRADITION OF MEN, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9. For IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY Thess 2:11. And for this cause GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: 12. That 136
THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Tim 4:3. For the time will come when THEY WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they HEAP TO THEMSELVES TEACHERS, having itching ears; 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and SHALL BE TURNED UNTO FABLES. Interestingly enough Valentinus himself would later be condemned as a Gnostic heretic for some of his other heretical teachings that the orthodoxy (which is just a fancy word for “popular”) did not accept. According to Clement of Alexandria as well as Valentinus himself, Valentinus claimed to have developed his ideas from Theodas or Theudas, who was said to be a disciple of St. Paul. Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. 28. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29. FOR I KNOW THIS, THAT AFTER MY DEPARTING SHALL GRIEVOUS WOLVES ENTER IN AMONG YOU, NOT SPARING THE FLOCK. 30. ALSO OF YOUR OWN SELVES SHALL MEN ARISE, SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES AFTER THEM. 31. THEREFORE WATCH, AND REMEMBER, THAT BY THE SPACE OF THREE YEARS I CEASED NOT TO WARN EVERY ONE NIGHT AND DAY WITH TEARS. Marcellus of Ancyra, like to attack his opponents by linking them to Valentinus: and apparently he believed that the idea of God existing in three hypostases as heretical. (On the Holy Church, 9) "Valentinus, the leader of a sect, was the first to devise the notion of three subsistent entities (hypostases), in a work that he entitled On the Three Natures. For, he devised the notion of three subsistent entities and three persons — father, son, and holy spirit." Early Christian Writings: Valentinus Concerning Valentinus Tertullian states: Valentinus had expected to become a bishop, because he was an able man both in genius and eloquence. Being indignant, however, that another obtained the dignity by reason of a claim which confessorship had given him, he broke with the church of the true faith. Just like those (restless) spirits which, when roused by ambition, are usually inflamed with the desire of revenge, he applied himself with all his might to exterminate the truth; and finding the clue of a certain old opinion, he marked out a path for himself with the subtlety of a serpent. Adversus Valentinianos, iv, The Trimorphic Protennoia (Nag Hammadi library Sethian text) identifies professing Father, Son and feminine wisdom Sophia as Gnosticism. University of Nebraska professor John D. Turner who is well known for his translations of the Nag Hammadi library identifies Gnosticism as God the Father, Sophia the Mother, and Logos the Son. After Valentinus' death, around 160AD, Irenaeus (2nd century – c. AD 202), 137
referred to by some as Saint Irenaeus, was Bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul) began his five-volume work work On the Detection and Overthrow of the So-Called Gnosis, (Also know as “Adversus Haereses”) Most of the first book in that volume expresses his very negative view of Valentinus and his doctrines. The first “church father” we know of to use the word “Trinity” was Theophilus of Antioch (c. 169–c. 183) who was the 7th Bishop of Antioch after succeeding Eros around 169AD . In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity, of God, and His Word, and His wisdom. And the fourth is the type of man, who needs light, that so there may be God, the Word, wisdom, man. Theophilus, Apologia ad Autolycum, Book II, Chapter 15 The first known written defense of the doctrine of the Trinity defined as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ) was given by Tertullian in his work “Against Praxeas” written in the early 3rd century. On the other hand Sir Thomas Aquinas, (28 January 1225 – 7 March 1274) uses the following objection to make his argument in favor of God in three persons. It would seem that there are not several persons in God . For person is the individual substance of a rational nature. If then there are several persons in God, there must be several substances; which appears to be heretical. op. cit., Q. 30, Art. 1 He goes about to answer this objection by redefining the word "person". He defines the word person as "a relation subsisting in the Divine nature" and as such the properties found in God, such as goodness and wisdom, are distinguishable, but subsist together as one, just not one person!?! He then attempts to address the questions Why three? Which he answers because scripture says so. Never mind the fact that the word “three” is never used to describe God’s. His second question is “Three what?”. To which he answers "three persons" of course!? op. cit., Q. 30, Art. 2….. So basically he argues that persons are not really persons but can still be three of anything as long as it is not a real person thus constituting the three persons of God!?!?! This is a common Trinitarian escape to redefine three persons as not really three persons as the world “person” is normally defined and used, (the are very creative with their various definitions of “person”) but then turn right around and accuse anyone one who suggest that God is only one person as the word “person” is normally defined and used is a heretic!?! In his argument for the doctrine of trinity we can also consider it to be “a father” of many modern day double speak/ defenses of trinity. On the one hand they want to claim that God is three different persons just not as the word person is actually defined but then spend the rest of the time arguing for why God must be three different persons as the word is normally used and properly defined!?! Again, take note of how in the defense of the doctrine of trinity the word “person” is not used/defined as the word person is normally used or defined, but when trying to explain why there must be three different persons in the first place they point and appeal to scriptures that supposedly show different persons as the word “person” is normally used/ defined! So they point to scriptures they think demands different persons as the word “person” is normally used/ defined but know very well when they try to define these different persons of God they 138
cannot and must not use the word person as the word person is normally used/defined. Because, if they did that would be out right even more blatant (“out of the closet”) admission of tritheism then the polytheism they are trying to cover up/ hide from everyone, pretending does not exist in the doctrine of trinity! Any version of the doctrine of trinity that defines the word person as the word person is commonly used/ defined as has no defense from the charge of polytheism except to say “no its not, you just don’t understand” which is about as much of a defense as a criminal complaining to the police and or judge: “you just don’t understand what I have been doing. I have already confessed that I am not doing anything illegal it is just beyond your limited minds to comprehend.” These men are fools, destitute of truth, turning the truth of God into a lie with their lies and hypocrisy! However, on the other hand while folks are busy idolizing the likes of these kinds of men and their “greatness” they might ponder even give consideration to what Thomas Aquinas himself said about his own work. During the last weeks of his life something happened to Thomas but he never spoke of it or wrote it down. Because of that vision. He abandoned his routine and refused to dictate to his socius Reginald of Piperno. When Reginald begged him to get back to work, Thomas replied: "Reginald, I cannot, because all that I have written seems like straw to me" (Davies, The Thought, p. 9.) That sounds a bit like 1Cor 3:13-14. No matter what ultimately happened to Thomas’ soul (accounted blissful ignorant or a willful fool) apparently even he realized at the end that his writings and doctrines were good for nothing but the fire! Modern Trinitarians, such as Dr James White, have attempted to describe the trinity as a single God with one being but having three persons in that one being. This is the creativity of Trinitarian lexicology. Now while that construct might sound good to some, it is by definition nothing more then at best a God with multiple personalities but in truth is a oxymoron. Trying to appeal to three separate persons in a single being is nonsense since a being is a conciseness and a person is an individual conciseness. No matter how you try to parse all of that, that is in fact arguing for a single God with multiple (or split) personalities or a contradiction in terms. Someone might want to let Dr White and others know that is known as multiple personality disorder. (James 1:8) It is a mental illness not a virtue that describes the God of the bible. But given that kind of position, and the fact that man was created in the image of God then perhaps those suffering from multiple personality disorder are the most “Godly” among us?!?! However the reality is that no such entity (a single being consisting of three different persons) exist anywhere else except in the minds of the Trinitarians who created it for the sole purpose of trying to explain what God “really is”. But as with the rest of “Trinitarian logic” is in fact just irrational, unnecessary, God hating contradictions of foolishness! Further, what compounds such troubling foolishness is the fact that so many are so confused by Trinitarian babbling that even the ones who attempt to argue it is not three persons as the word “person” is normally defined will turn around and argue why it really is three different persons as the word is normally used. They are so caught up in the circular nonsense they cant see their own hypocrisy. They will say comments similar to the following: “Your view of "person" is far too wrapped up in modern conceptions of personhood. THE TYPE OF "PERSON-NESS" THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE 139
TRINITY HAS IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THEN WHAT HUMAN BEINGS HAVE“ after admitting and trying to make that argument will then spend the rest of any discussion trying to convenience everyone why it must in fact really be three separate and or different persons as the world “person” is normally used!? Other such comments are employed as in “Jesus was not a ventriloquist at his baptism, as if that were the alternative needed (to explain one person) or proves anything ?!? “The Trinity” by Augustine of Hippo (A.D. 354-430) “It is not easy to find a name that will suitably express so great an excellence, unless it is better to speak in this way: the Trinity, one God, of whom are all things, through whom are all things, in whom are all things. Thus the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, and each of these by Himself, is God, and at the same time they are all one God; and each of them BY HIMSELF IS A COMPLETE SUBSTANCE, AND YET THEY ARE ALL ONE SUBSTANCE. The Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit; the Son is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son: but the Father is only Father, the Son is only Son, and the Holy Spirit is only Holy Spirit. To all three belong the same eternity, the same unchangeableness, the same majesty, the same power. In the Father is unity, in the Son equality, in the Holy Spirit the harmony of unity and equality. And THESE THREE ATTRIBUTES ARE ALL ONE because of the Father, all equal because of the Son, and all harmonious because of the Holy Spirit.” –Augustine of Hippo, On Christian Doctrine, I.V.5. Appealing to attributes of God such as wisdom and love is no different then appealing to appendages such as head and right arm except one of those is how the scriptures describe God and the other is not!?! But both of those would still only qualify for one person as the word “person” is normally defined! This is why and how Trinitarians “double down” on their hypocrisy. Why are they even arguing against one person of God as the word “person” is normally used if that does not contradict the Trinitarian definition of the word person or the Trinitarian position? Supposedly your not even using the word person that way to begin with!? (James 1:8) While some have also tried to describe God as having three centers of conciseness, but the problem is still present. What need is there to have three centers of Conciseness in the first place? What does the conciseness look like, what shape does it take? Why do they feel they need three different centers rather then one center that occupies three locations, at the same time, just as the these diagrams show the area of White as God which is clearly in three places all at the same time and only one single white area or “conciseness. Again, as stated so many times before everything in the nature of God revealed in scriptures can be taken at face value without any need to artificially create or assume multiple and or three different persons. This being the case the idea of three persons and doctrine of a triune God to try to explain it all are unnecessary, unfounded without bases or 140
substance external of the imaginations of men. Scriptures demand nothing further then concepts of one as we have presented here. A fool however, no matter what is shown him, will always default to his own nature. True to form, die hard Trinitarians don’t care that there is no need for their doctrine. They don’t care that scriptures do not require. They don’t care that it obviously contradicts scripture unless you redefine all the terms your tying to use in ways that are not normal or even in consistent ways. They don’t even care they were told not to think beyond the scriptures and that those scriptures can be understood at their face valued just as they are. They don’t care that having a doctrine for three persons is no more required then a doctrine to explain how all those different narratives of Jesus are really multiple persons of Jesus. They only care that they have “the faith of the fathers” deluded into believing that God must be pleased with them. And they do have the faith of the fathers , just not the fathers of Christianity. They do the deeds of their father(s) and the devil. PHILO OF ALEXANDRIA The following is taken from weikipedia.com and is some more Greek pagan influence on the Jews of Christ own day. So the fact that some Jewish folks may have been able to “see” multiple persons in the “godhead” does not prove anything it is only evidence that trinitarains use the same pagan polytheistic like reasoning but call it different names and use different terms (but a rose by any other name is…) and add one more for the “Jesus person” in their “godhead” Philo of Alexandria (/ˈfaɪloʊ/; Greek: Φίί λων, Philōn; c. 25 BCE – c. 50 CE), also called Philo Judaeus, was a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who lived in Alexandria, in the Roman province of Egypt. Philo used philosophical allegory to attempt to fuse and harmonize Greek philosophy with Jewish philosophy. His method followed the practices of both Jewish exegesis and Stoic philosophy. His allegorical exegesis was important for several Christian Church Fathers, but he has barely any reception history within Judaism. He believed that literal interpretations of the Hebrew Bible would stifle humanity's view and perception of a God too complex and marvelous to be understood in literal human terms.[citation needed] Some scholars hold that his concept of the Logos as God's creative principle influenced early Christology. Other scholars, however, deny direct influence but say both Philo and Early Christianity borrow from a common source.[1] The few biographical details known about Philo are found in his own works, especially in Legatio ad Gaium (Embassy to Gaius), and in Josephus.[2] The only event in his life that can be decisively dated is his participation in the embassy to Rome in 40 CE. He represented the Alexandrian Jews before Roman Emperor Caligula because of civil strife between the Alexandrian Jewish and Greek communities. The following is taken from: http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/text/philo/book5.html 141
THE CHERUBIM IX. (27) I have also, on one occasion, heard a more ingenious train of reasoning from my own soul, which was accustomed frequently to be seized with a certain divine inspiration, even concerning matters which it could not explain even to itself; which now, if I am able to remember it accurately, I will relate. It told me that IN THE ONE LIVING AND TRUE GOD THERE WERE TWO SUPREME AND PRIMARY POWERS--GOODNESS AND AUTHORITY; and that by his goodness he had created every thing, and by his authority he governed all that he had created; (28) and that the third thing which was between the two, and had the effect of bringing them together was reason, for that it was owing to reason that God was both a ruler and good. NOW, OF THIS RULING AUTHORITY AND OF THIS GOODNESS, BEING TWO DISTINCT POWERS, the cherubim were the symbols, but OF REASON (the logos) the FLAMING SWORD WAS THE SYMBOL. For reason is a thing capable of rapid motion and impetuous, and especially the reason of the Creator of all things is so, inasmuch as it was before everything and passed by everything, and was conceived before everything, and appears in everything. (29) And do thou, O my mind, receive the impression of each of these cherubims unadulterated, that thus becoming thoroughly instructed about the ruling authority of the Creator of all things and about his goodness, thou mayest receive a happy inheritance; for immediately thou shalt understand the conjunction and combination of these imperishable powers, and learn in what respects God is good, his majesty arising from his sovereign power being all the time conspicuous; and in what he is powerful, his goodness, being equally the object of attention, that is this way thou mayest attain to the virtues which are engendered by these conceptions, namely, a love and a reverential awe of God, neither being uplifted to arrogance by any prosperity which may befall thee, having regard always to the greatness of the sovereignty of thy King; nor abjectly giving up hope of better things in the hour of unexpected misfortune, having regard, then, to the mercifulness of thy great and bounteous God. (30) And let the flaming sword teach thee that these things might be followed by a prompt and fiery reason combined with action, which never ceases being in motion with rapidity and energy to the selection of good objects, and the avoidance of all such as are evil. X. (31) Do you not see that even the wise Abraham, when he began to measure everything with a reference to God, and to leave nothing to the creature, took an imitation of the flaming sword, namely, "fire and a Sword,"{11}{#ge 22:6.} being eager to slay and to burn that mortal creature which was born of him, that so being raised on high it might soar up to God, the intellect being thus disentangeld from the body. (32) Moses also represents Balaam, who is the symbol of a vain people, stripped of his arms, as a runaway and deserter, well knowing the war which it becomes the soul to carry on for the sake of knowledge; for he says to his ass, who is here a symbol of the irrational designs of life which every foolish man entertains, that "If I had had a sword, I should ere now have slain Thee."{12}{#nu 22:29.} And great thanks are due to the Maker of all things, because he, knowing the 142
struggles and resistance of folly, did not give to it the power of language, which would have been like giving a sword to a madman, in order that it might have no power to work great and iniquitous destruction among all whom it should meet with. (33) But the reproaches which Balaam utters are in some degree expressed by all those who are not purified, but are always talking foolishly, devoting themselves to the life of a merchant, or of a farmer, or to some other business, the object of which is to provide the things necessary for life. As long, indeed, as everything goes on prosperously with respect to each individual, he mounts his animal joyfully and rides on cheerfully, and holding the reins firmly he will by no means consent to let them go. And if any one advises him to dismount and to set bounds to his appetites, because of his inability to know what will befall him hereafter, he reproaches him with jealousy and envy, saying that he does not address him in this way out of good will. (34) But when any unexpected misfortune overtakes him, he then looks upon those who have given him warnings as good prophets and men able, above all others, to foresee the future, and lays the blame of his distress on what is absolutely the cause of no evil whatever, on agriculture, on commerce, or on any other pursuit which he may have thought fit to select for the purpose of making money. “THE COMMA JOHANNEUM” THIRDLY:
1 John 5:7. For there ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.
The phrase “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” Is called the “Comma Johanneum” There are a few points that need to be made: Even this verse cannot be said to demonstrate multiple persons any more then a person stating my arms and my legs and my face testify that I do or do not have tattoos all over my body. Already demonstrated is the fact that Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the father were all said to be in heaven and on earth at the same time! Neither the trinitarians nor those the deny the divinity of Christ understand the scriptures, arguments on God's nature:... My head and right arm and spirit are all three ONE PERSON. "Ironically", scriptures say man is made in the image of God and that is the way God defines "all three" (which also makes sense when you consider the fact that scriptures also call God a PERSON not persons.) Only fools would then try to go on and claim that since “all three are one” that therefore they are all three different persons. But there is a sucker born every day they say. Further The fact that three distinctions are mentioned in a list is not a “proof” of three different things or persons. In fact, in writing and or public speaking there is a technical use called a tetracolon and also “rule of three” it was widely used by the Greeks and roman orators of whom it is said “perfected it” even today in modern language it is widely used and scriptures use the same basic construct. A good example of this can be seen here in Revelation Rev 1:2 Who bare record of (1) THE WORD of God, and of (2) THE TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ, and of (3) all THINGS THAT HE SAW. (Rev 19:9..These are the true sayings
of God. .10…for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.) All three of these are the same thing..the word is the testimony is the things that he saw 143
not three different messages so this is simply saying the same thing three different ways. It is NOT identifying three different things!?! However, what is even more interesting is the fact that it has every appearance that it was either added to the scriptures and not in the original Letter and or the way it is worded does not fit the actual exemplars of the Phsase. It would have supposedly been added/altered for clarification but if so, has accomplished little toward that goal. There are about 300 Greek manuscripts (~501 total “ancient” exemplars) that have the book of I John in them. Only manuscripts #61,16th century; #629, 14th or 15th, century; #918, 16th, century; #2318, 18th century Further, they do not show their text the same as the Greek text and show evidence that the words were translated into Greek from some other Latin text. There are five more manuscripts 88, 12th century; 221, 10th; 429, 16th; 636, 15th that have the copied in the margin but by much later writers. According to Daniel Wallace, there is one other known marginal note found in Codex 177 parchment minuscule shelf number Cod. graec. 211. This document is an 11th century text and on page 74 recto can be found in the margins the comma Johanneum phrase in question. The margin note is estimated by to be 17th or 18th century based in part on the fact that whoever wrote the note makes reference to verse numbers and verse numbers were not created until Stephanus’ fourth edition in 1551. The Comma Johanneum or the “heavenly witnesses” phrase is quoted as scripture only by Latin-speaking writers after the middle 5th century. And the phrase is not found in any ancient translation of the NT made in any of the the 2nd-10th century translations such as the Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Gothic, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavic. The Comma Johanneum is only found the Old Latin version but even then not in the oldest manuscripts of the old Latin version. It is also found in many manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate, but again not the earliest ones.
Erasmus did not use include that phrase in his original or revised 1519 edition and he got sharply criticized for not including the phrase. He said that he did not use the phrase because he did not find it in any of the Greek manuscripts. He did however, promise to include it in an update if the phrase was ever found in even one Greek manuscript. Later He did because a manuscript “was found” although even Erasmus suspected it to be a forgery. The words “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” in 1 John 5:7 cannot be claimed to be original part of John's letter. These words have no claim to anything other then the appearance of later addition to the text based on a deliberately fabricated manuscript by an Irish monk. That manuscript is known today as #61 and it is on a different kind of paper with a glossy finish from the rest of the manuscript. However it was on the basis of that manuscript that Erasmus included the phrase in his 3rd, 5th editions but he also protested that he did not believe the phrase genuine. What is of even further interest is the fact that the phrase used in the manuscript does not even read like the one Erasmus used when he finally did include the phrase. 144
From that time, nearly all Greek NTs were simply reprints of Erasmus' 4th or 5th edition, until the 19th century. This phrase thus continued to be used as part of I John even though there is no evidence for its existence. The Wycliffe English translation made in the 1380s, use the Medieval Latin manuscripts, so it includes the phrase but with "son" instead of "word." Tyndale's English translation of 1525 used Erasmus' 3rd edition but in the 2nd and 3rd English editions. However, he and the latter editions by his assistant Miles Coverdale placed the phrase in parentheses to indicate the doubt. In the1552 edition of Tyndale's NT by Jugge, did not use the parentheses and many later Bibles, followed that practice. The KJV used Beza's 1598 Greek NT, as it source document and it is a virtual reprint of Erasmus' 4th edition which contained the phrase under question. Because of these facts many of the more recent translations such as ASV, NASB, NIV do not use the phrase or it is only mentioned in a footnote.
Also note: Some have tried to claim that if verse 7 (of 1Jn ch 5)were not there it would not be grammatically correct. That argument is just grasping for straws. The very same readings that showed that verse 7 was not originally in the text are grammatically correct without it and as such any such notion that somehow, the text would magically be grammatically incorrect if it were not there is just “wild eyed ,wishful thinking” and pure fantasy to say the least ...The Greek text that some use to claim that vers 7 is there (as the "original text") and depend on might be grammatically incorrect (if that verse were not there) but those text are the text in question and real or fake those textual variants that verse 7 is based on are constructed so as to be read grammatically correct that way. The fact that a given text may be grammatically consistent is not evidence that it is the original text!?! Thus, in short, producing a consistent forgery is not proof that the forgery is not fake!?! Even if the Comma Johanneum phrase were legitimate it would only make proper understanding require more careful thought and evaluation. But, it still would not demand or prove or show three different persons for God. The only way to get multiple persons of God out of the scriptures is to make assumptions first and then use those assumptions to interpret the scriptures with. That is called a circular fallacy and that is what all of the “trinity” arguments do. My head and right arm and any other part of me can all testify that i have no tattoos (asl already demonstrated Christ is that part of God that God considers his right arm Not another person) Jesus is simply that part of the spirit of God which is the Holy Spirit that impregnated Marry and became/ manifested itself in the flesh. This is also the Reason the spirit of Christ is synonymous with the Holy Spirit. Christ prays (communicates like a man) to the father in the same way that my hand communicates with me via the connections within to the head for its nutrients and pain et al (particularly if someone else slams a couple of nails through it!) My hand is not a different personality from me (its head). .A distinction of a person is not the same thing as a different person, and those distinctions can communicate with each other just as the pain in your right hand is felt in your right hand and that pain is communicated to your head which then sends instructions to your right arm to take action...it is not that difficult to understand the problem is Trinitarians do not want to understand they want to make 145
excuses for lies that are clear and blatant contradictions of God himself. The Trinitarian mindset can see seen quite clearly. For them, up is down and down is up,.confusion and irrational doctrines make perfect sense while ordinary and obvious explanations seem confusing and difficult to grasp or comprehend……that is why it is called a doctrine of devils….…………….& also Isaiah 5:20-21 God is a spirit but that spirit was born into flesh of a man and that man is the son (in the flesh) of God because that man is the God who is a spirit. Man was made in the image of God and that is in part the significance of Christ referred to as the right hand of God and why his name is the everlasting father. There is nothing in scripture that demands three persons but on the other hand, God promised delusions for those who do not love the truth. But, the issue is not that it is impossible to image three persons in the scriptures, it is just that such ideas are unnecessary, contradictory, incoherent and inconsistent application of authority. It all boils down to a choice of faith either in the words of God or the reasons that men give about God’s words. Rather then trying to understand how God could be just one substance and one person in comparison and contrast to His own statements as well as the creation that He made in his own image (man) ….oh no, these children of perdition would rather create and embellish demonic (James 3:14-15) wisdom and lies. After they have deceived themselves and those that would hear their “orthodox” heresy, they actually believe that they have defended the faith and are expecting a reward in the next life!?! Expect to hear I never knew you because your God is “triune”. The fact there is and we can make a distinction between you and your body parts in function (i.e communication) and form (physically and in the spirit) should have given you great pause before you decided to go to your graves staunchly defending a contradiction of God based on the wisdom of devils and fools. “Many are called [only Christians are called; Acts 2:29; Jn 10:26-27; Isaiah 4:12/Gal 3:7,29 et al] few are chosen”. (Mat 22:14) Orthodoxy is one of the best descriptions of all those called/Christians who will be lost! This is what the seven churches demonstrates for us out of the seven very few were commended the others were ready to be judged. O heresy of “Orthodoxy”! .Tying to validate yourselves based on the various ways the term orthodoxy is applied as opposed to its true meaning is the folly of fools.
THE CHURCH FATHERS Some have tried to argue for the doctrine of the trinity by saying the same group of people who historically canonized the Scriptures also proclaimed the Trinity (1) The scriptures existed prior to the “orthodox” bishops or any group came together to “determine” doctrine. Ergo: 2Tim 3:15….they had them in the first century no one had to wait around for some church council et al to decide!?!.... ; 1 Cor 4:6 that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written,”. Never mind the logical nonsense of having everyone for the !00-200 during the period after the apostles till the “orthodox” bishops got together to determine for us what the scriptures are, but even if that was true then there is no way to validate those “orthodox” bishops who came along latter to decide?!? 146
(2) Even if some group of people had been entrusted with the cannon that does not have anything to do with whether or not the doctrine of that group is valid or heresy. Rom 3:1-2 the scriptures were committed and kept by the Jews who were so pious and God fearing people that they missed, denied and then killed the messiah based on what they saw in those scriptures….. Paul who was an apostle stated the following about Himself…....."Learn in us not to think of men beyond what is written" (1 Cor 4:6) ………….That would include anyone or any group “church father” or Council” that came after him.......and means you cannot use Church fathers to determine proper or sound interpretation but rather must use scripture to determine anyone else interpretation is proper or sound.....even the devil can quote scriptures and through some truth in to make lies appealing…it matters not if they had anything of use to say or not that fact is they were the very heretics Paul warned everyone about would come from the leaders in the church (Acts 20:28-30)… Most Christians were impoverished and or not well education such as……… Acts 4:13…Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, …… Further, 1 Cor 6:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:…..The writings that we have to come down to us that survived the centuries via “Church fathers” were usually men who were not of the ignorant uneducated and or impoverished class……That by it self means little, but when you put it into the context of the majority of doctrines that get passed on in this life are doctrines of devils, error and Heretics, It should not take a genius to realize that what survived and came down to us through the ages was not the “pure faith” but rather the popular error of the time!! It was what was left after all the errors were passed around and sifted throughout the populace ………..Did you really think that work of the “church fathers” was God as opposed to a reflection of error and sin in the world?!? ……..God promised to preserved his word, not how scholarship would perceive that word in the subsequent centuries!!. You were told not to think beyond the scriptures not about how the church fathers saw it..… You show me Where the scriptures say trinity or demand a trinity or the Apostles taught Trinity. You cannot, because it only existed as someone explanations that came latter out of their minds not the scriptures or as taught by any of the Apostles or Jesus...All of Christ statements can be understood within the face value of the statement I and my father are one your God is one et al ............…The “Church fathers” are there for those who refuse to hear the scriptures … There is no doubt that some will find these things very difficult to understand but reason is clear (and the same as it was in Paul’s day) it is not because it is not simple but rather because you have turned light into darkness and put bitter for sweet, your obfuscation and stubborn resistance to the truth as humility and piety for so long that you actually believe in your own hypocrisy and lies. When people like Dr James White say things such as “I love the trinity” they are in fact confessing with their own mouths they love not the truth. Those kinds of people put darkness for light and turn the truth of God into a lie!……. Take your cup of your fathers and drink up fools, the Lord shall surely provide you with abundant sustenance. GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12. THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thess 2: 11. And for this cause
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Trinitarians make three fundamental gross errors: 1. Trinity demands a universe external to a God rather then a God external of a universe Otherwise, see charts there is no valid need (internal or external to the text) to even begin to justify suggesting multiple persons in the first place (every difficulty can be easily understood as one person [since three persons is never mentioned] without invoking or even suggesting multiple persons)..... As such they create a doctrine in search of a need or purpose......... 2. Trinitarians are looking at scriptures and God's own descriptions all completely backwards. God is referring to his right hand that he sent and put into flesh as his son. (because that right arm comes into the physical world via a physical birth) God is NOT.....NOT.... referring to a separate person who is the son as His “right hand” as in “he is my right hand man”! ....... “THE SON OF GOD” is a reference to the fact that human flesh was born of a women. What that WOMAN (who is of man) gave birth to was a\“SON” (it certainly was not a daughter) and that “SON” (of man/woman) was “OF GOD’ because it was God himself not a different person of God but the one person who is God who is a spirit put his own right arm into human flesh and let it be born of man/woman ERGO SON OF GOD. These fools think Jesus is a different person because he was born into human flesh?!? 3 Since Trinitarians accept without critique the need to even suggest multiple persons, they build a circular fallacy in their approach to interpretations which "create" the need for their doctrine which make it nearly impossible for them to see these fundamental errors. .................................i.e. .they infect the host (minds) with a created sickness ( multiple persons in text based on errors of #1&2) so as to provide the cure (doctrine of trinity).....The doctrine of trinity is in turn used to interpret the text so as to show that there is in fact a sickness (multiple persons) that needs to be "treated" (cured/ explained)................This circular reasoning is why it is so hard for them to see their error and hypocrisy.....
OTHER CONSIDERATIONS & MISSALANIOUS COMMENTS: COMMENT #1: According to your chart we all exist inside God; The good and the bad and all of creation that was cursed after the fall by God . We are all in God/in Christ since they are the same one white light. -does everyone who is in Christ/in God recover spiritual blessings (Eph 1:3)? -Is 1 John 1:1 incorrect in suggesting that his is light and in Him is no darkness/ sin at a all? - How can a bad people and a cursed/bad world be inside a good God? -Where is Hell/Torment/ eternal separation from God? - Was is created by God for the devil and his angels (Matt 25:41)? -Is Hell then also inside God? How is that separation? ANSWER: Notwithstanding Acts 17:28 and the logical implications of a God who is both is omniscient and omnipresent...However, Rev 14:10 he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone IN THE PRESENCE OF the holy angels, and in the presence 148
of the Lamb:..............Even philosophically, everything that exist comes from a singularity ....that is to say that every difference that can exist all originally came from a single homogeneous source or God ....thus all differences and distinctions are simply matters of perspective and definition of that singularity....but as for how to be inside and yet separate one example would be: ..a bubble within a bubble is separate from that which holds the outer bubble, there is no contact between the outside holding the outside bubble and the and the inside bubble......... ...so they are truly separate ....You also need to understand this because your idea of separate may not how the bible describes the separation of hell et al but what I am showing you is consistent with the following:...NOTE: Rev 20:10 Day & night are creations ......14:11 ascended up to where for ever and ever? Rev 18:9&20 they see the smoke of that burning forever ..........................So it is not that the saints who will be with God do not see and rejoice over the smoke that rises out of the lake of fire and torment Ergo:.................. Rev 14:10 he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone IN THE PRESENCE OF the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:... and yet they are still “separate” even though they are in the presence of. It is simply matters of perspective. Although many would denounce "The pope" they in fact have their own popes. This is proven out to be the case by virtue of the fact that most cannot defend or even understand their own doctrines and yet with mindless thought they can regurgitate the same SoundBits of heresy their "popes" decree in their churches and church doctrines......This is obviously due to years of brainwashing with mindless pew sitters who go along with the flow of heresy they happen to be "floating" in. COMMENT#2: Please explain the tripartite nature of man: spirit, soul and body? ANSWER: Three parts is NOT three different persons with each person having their own different consciousnesses NOR is it an example of three different minds as trinitarianism argues for...so First and Foremost your example is IRRELEVANT (three parts of God is my argument not the trinitarians) .SECONDLY: If your going to appeal to parts of a man as justification for three different persons then your argument is a oxymoron/ self contradiction Man is only one person not three persons and since Man is made in the image of God any example using men is PROOF of one person of God and can never satisfy a logical argument for three different persons of God no matter how you try to slice and dice a man and his spirit/soul et al up!?!?!..................#2.spirit and soul are the same thing, so you only really gave two parts not three ....#3. The spirit of Christ is the Holy spirit according to scriptures and Christ himself ..#4 The PARTS of God that scriptures outline are not the ones you put forward so even the way you try "slice"/ Divide God up into parts is wrong QUESTION#3: So, your problem is a bible reference for the word "trinity"? ANSWER: No, The issue is 1. God has described himself as ONE person NOT three different persons period.....2. The worship of three different persons who are each God with different amounts of God knowledge, power, and authority is nothing but polytheism with different wrapping paper on it, lying telling everyone is is monotheism..........People can claim they are not a lias all day long.., but if they constantly lie then they are a liar regardless of the claim....The worship of three different person is the worship of three different gods who are not the same but 149
different.. simply saying no we just don't understand only demonstrates the delusions of fools..it not sound scripture, logic or anything other then a lie that is passing itself off as the truth period!. The fact that God said he is "one" and someone came along and contradicts that and states "God is three in one" should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden...God said you will die...Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE.....T .God said He is one; but Satan's children come along and say no three in one is more WISE… ARGUMENT#4: There is no worship of three different Gods in the Christian world. We worship only one: God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. ANSWER: If that were true then Trinitarains would not find what is present them as so offensive, nor would they contradict the explicit passages that state God is one person. .........Your/ the trinitarian's own arguments betray you!?!....The very fact that you cannot admit what is being saying here is true about God is proof you worship three different personal gods, only lying to yourselves claiming three different god persons is only ONE God ......If you only worshiped One God then there would be no difference between us...and you and the rest of the trinitarins would 1. understand the truth of what i am saying and hold to it also since we both worship the same ONE God ...... 2 If what you were saying were true then you would not find what i show you so objectionable...FOOLS!, If you can worship three different persons as one God then anyone who worships the Greek gods could also claim they too are “really” monotheist who only worship one god who just happens to be multiple different persons in heaven (one comes down and visits) since the origins of the gods have them all come from a single one source “God essence” as well!?! This is called: "Soft" polytheism, which holds that gods may be aspects of only one god, that the pantheons of other cultures are representative of one single pantheon, psychological archetypes or personifications of natural forces or for the trinitarians "characteristics" "love" wisdom" et al (This is contrasted with "Hard" polytheism is the belief that gods are distinct, separate, real divine beings not psychological archetypes or personifications of natural forces or just characteristics. Hard polytheists reject the idea that "all gods are one God .") The only difference is not in practice but rather terminology. Trinity refers to three different persons as one God the Greeks could agree with the three different od persons are just attributes to the one God ....!?!? This same kind of dilemma would also exist for Hindu Polytheism as well; Reference “the ten avatars of Vishnu”. Vishnu and his many faces. It would not matter if any one claimed that their ONE god using the Greek et al pantheon was the same God as the bible or not. Because, the point is if you can claim to be monotheist then so too could any of them in which case there would not need be any difference between polytheism and monotheism at all!?! Simply claiming that three persons is ONE God as a mystery is not valid any more so then a pathological liar who makes the claim he does not lie, you just don’t understand him (and or how “mysterious” his ways are) as valid proof of his assertion that he speaks the truth! What determines the worship of ONE God is not in the mere claim (chalk up any oxymoron’s to mystery and or paradoxical[apparent contradictions] mysteries) but rather in the reality of the language that God communicated via his scriptures to us. Inventing concepts that have no need to be put forward in the first place is a sure indication that your made up concepts are just that made up , because the scriptures provide ample reasons to understand it all using normal language and 150
concepts without “mysterious” incomprehensible concepts that do not even apply to the very creation that was made in his own image. One God person or three different God persons one of those is monotheism the other is poly theism with nothing more then just a different wrapping paper on it that claims were not polytheist “DRINK UP, THIS IS NOT POISONIOUS” ….And so our warning to you who are considering trinitarianism .”Caveat emptor” (buyer beware!!)….....1 Tim 4:1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2. SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; COMMENT#5: I'm considering your view and reading your words. I am thinking that technically John 17:5 can be paraphrased in this way… "Now, me, glorify me together with myself, with the glory which I had with myself before the world was." I'm trying to grasp an understanding here. Christ is God but not a separate person. Christ is God in that he is an extension of God . So the analogy is that Christ is like a limb (right arm) of God . The flesh of Christ was nothing more than a bag of bones and meat but it was the spirit of God who animated it which made it Jesus. ANSWER: #1.: Yes, I can see why the paraphrase you just constructed is difficult for you to grasp. Your trying to understand it without the geographical and other context in the same way that if I tried to give you directions to down town NY but do not tell you in what city I started the directions from or where they end, it would be fairly nonsensical….In the same way, God is in two different universes entirely, communicating and functioning at two different ranks (human life form [Phil 2:8] and Elohim life form) at the same time. Communicating differently and making reference to the other parts/ranks of HIMSELF in those other geographies/universes by communicating that information to the lower life forms/humans who exist in only one of those universes at a time..........so yea I can see why that paraphrase would cause you pause if you ignore the geographical, rank et al context.. The head of your right hand is you but your right arm is still you as well. Still only one person (but in your case if you put your right hand into a leather glove it is still in the same universe that your head is, this was not the case with God and his right hand/Jesus) In any case, if you were a spirit trying to communicate to a lower life form in the form of that lower life form in the language of that lower life form by putting part of your spirit into the same form of that lower life form you are going to tell all those other lower life forms that can only see that part of you (in that glove) about your head and how that part of you that they cannot see is their God/ “HE”/ Father in heaven et al… your right hand is going to need to refer to itself using 151
personal pronouns to the other lower life forms that your hand is in the form of itself…..but it will also refer to that part of you in the other universe/heaven that is the greater part, in fact you (your right hand doing the communicating to the other humans) are the lesser part of the father/ the head/ he that is in heaven/ Their God/ “HE” et al………………. There are only distinctions in the manifestations due to being in different kinds of universes ie spiritual & physical and functioning differently in those all at the same time....Same HE or HIM but the HE that is in heaven is also the He that is on earth but the HE on earth is subordinate and obedient to the HE in heaven because the HE in heaven is the greater part of the HE that is on earth!?!........They all use and have personal pronouns because they are all the same person in those different states. The different parts of God in those different universes (physical & spiritual) all referring to each other not different persons!?! This is gets to John 20:17 ……I ascend unto MY FATHER, and YOUR FATHER; and to MY GOD, and YOUR GOD.
How else would a God (living entity) existing/operating in multiple different kinds of universes communicate as a lower life form/ humans in the physical universe refer to the greater part of himself in the other greater universe that actually in charge of the part of himself communicating this to the humans in that physical universe…?? ..So while He is God, don’t worship the flesh you see for God is a spirit….Jesus was flesh with the spirit of God animating it ..Worship Jesus (Mat 28:17) but not the flesh of the man, bur rather, the God that was a man….That flesh communicated to the other men how that their God is in heaven and is spirit…so don’t worship the flesh of the man before them, worship “His God and their God”. This was not a denouncing on Christ part that he was God only a denunciation that the flesh standing before them was not to be worshiped and that the greater part of God was in heaven not standing in front of them…He is/ was “all God” just like your right hand in a leather glove is “All you” but it is not all there is to you. Tthe greater part of you is not inside of the Glove and that part that controls your right hand (tells your right hand what to say and what to do) is not in the glove either…… So the question is if God is in heaven speaking about the “him” who would be coming to them, then who is this “Him” that will come if they are the same person?...The “him” is the human that is formed when that part of the spirit of God gets connected to human flesh in a way that the rest of the spirit of God is not connected to flesh. God is a spirit and “elohim life”.(see ch 8) God is not a human but a human is the result of “life” (a spirit) in human flesh and thus God became human when God connected that part of his spirit that he considers to be his right arm/hand to flesh in a way that the rest of god’s spirit was not. This is no different then a man’s right hand in a leather glove is in contact with the leather (and now the leather glove and move/animated) in a way that the rest of the man is not. The difference is that while a normal human has a spirit that spirit does not extend beyond the physical limits of that body in space or time. However, the spirit in the human that was Jesus did extend infinitely in space and time because that spirit was the omnipresent-omnipotent God. It was only part of that spirit of God but it was the same God and the same spirit of the same person who is the same God in heaven and on earth at the same time. What is easier all that i just said or is is just easier to say "I and my father are one"..but " He that is in heaven is Greater then I"..??? conveys the same 152
information if you have faith in the one who said it the way "He" said it without using men's imaginative inventions........All of this long winded explanation that has been given here is solely due to the faithless imaginations and Gordian knot of Trinitarian fools and heretics who twist yet pretend to honor God by making God into the image of their minds rather then understanding God as parts of a man made in God’s image that God uses to describe the nature of father, son and holy spirit aka HIMSELF!?! (B). considerations on “Bag of bones” comment.. Your spirit animates your body just as a puppet is animated by a hand in a puppet glove. You can put your right hand into a glove or puppet and animate it. Your spirit is animating your physical flesh. The physical flesh is nothing more then a more complex puppet of your spirit. Jesus is nothing but that part of the spirit of God that came and occupied the same physical flesh as you and me and animated it in the same way that we are animated by our spirits. If you understand this then passages like Jn 12:49. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. make perfect sense. All you have to do is work through the basic reality of your human flesh animated as a puppet of the spirit that is inside of it (or your right arm in a leather glove of flesh) communicating to all the other human flesh puppets (leather gloves) that it is not there to communicating its own message but rather to the message that you (in this case the sprit of God) is telling that flesh to communicate to all the other human flesh animated by human spirits. Work through the exercise, a puppet, give it animation, let it communicate but it will only communicate what you (the man behind the Curtin or a spirit inside of it) gives it to communicate and it is not there to speak of itself but to communicate what you give it to speak and do.. It is not difficult to understand all you have to do is work through the implications and practical realities of your every day world experience. This is why “even his Godhead”….“clearly seen” and “without excuse” in Rom 1:20 is so very true. Everyday experience can explain the nature of God using the modalistic descriptions and allegories found in scripture with everyday experience. However, trinitarianism cannot be seen or understood in everyday experience and is in fact as admitted to in their own “confessions of faith” (and by virtue of their “God is so great we cant put God in a box, we just can’t understand it arguments/excuses) is admittedly “INCOMPREHSIBLE”. The difference is that our spirits were created by Jesus himself who is the father and God of all spirits. IF YOU FIND THE CONCEPT OF JESUS AS A PUPPET DISTURBING THEN JUST LOOK IN THE MIRROR BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE! A flesh puppet which has no inherent derogatory meaning except in the context or in the way in which we see it as it is otherwise used which is an entertainment or children’s educational show.. This might be yet another hint: “child like” in how God’s own descriptions of himself are use so that even a child can grasp the nature of God that God has revealed. Why? So you will be without excuse when you are eternally damned for not believing that Jesus is the Father and same person and God in heaven Our spirits were separated from God and chained to this flesh until it dies. (which means the spirit separated from the flesh) So God came to us and chained himself (his right hand and arm) to the same flesh that we had. When Christ died the spirit of God that was in Christ left physical flesh that it had once animated and 153
went to the grave. Death had no power over Jesus because Jesus is the right hand of God that created the place of the grave, death and hell itself! But the issues goes far beyond just an image of God, even so Jesus is nothing more then flesh with that part of God that God refers to himself as His own right hand and arm animating it for us so that we can see the father or the God who is spirit. It is God come in the flesh to teach man about God and how to worship, live, pray, suffer and even die to God Himself?! It matters not how exactly how a omnipresent God is able to describe himself in and with Anthropomorphic terms and or concepts The fact it he does and in the very context of the creation that was made in his own image. So our faith either rest in that or in some rejection of that in favor of some other invented nature and chalk up all the contradictions and inconsistencies to a “grand incomprehensible magnificent nature of God” created in the image of men’s imaginations. COMMENT#6 …Please explain rev.5:1,5-6. In that account, there is a persona that is seating on the throne holding a book, who is HE? in verse 5&6 there is a persona standing in the midst of the congregation, THE LAMB. who is HE? are they the same if not. is it not right to say that the Father is not The Son in the God head? ANSWER: (1). “The Charts shown (PG 32) next are conceptualized diagrams demonstrating how God is omnipresent and the physical and spiritual universes (environments of men and angels/ heaven and earth) all exist inside of God rather then God existing and limited to the inside of some environment that God himself must depend on. God created the environments for men and angels then projects himself into his creations which is why God is everywhere and the father and son and holy spirit can all be the same person that is injected into those creations at different times and or different ways and yet remain undiluted or disconnected from each other. “ (all at the same time) NOTE that in Rev Ch 5 verse 6 that same Jesus seen standing at the right hand of the father is also said to be seen a lamb that had been killed as well as seen or called a lion!?!?...... NOTE IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IT SAW JESUS AS A LAMB IT STATES THAT JOHN SAW A LAMB WITH SEVEN HORNS AND SEVEN EYES that looked as if it had been killed. …..…the point this verse does not help your cause.!?!? …..How can the same thing be two different things a man standing in one instent and a lamb that has been killed the next, all at the same time???. The fact is that seeing Jesus standing next to the father (looking like a man) is not any more proof of a second person of God then seeing that lamb that was slain is proof that Jesus is an animal!?!?…God is not a man nor an animal and when Jesus who is God returned to heaven as he was before he returned to heaven as the God who was in Heaven before he came to the earth with the form that He had before he came to earth. Spirits are not limited to function and form the same way that things in the physical universe are…in the physical you are either a lion or a lamb or a man standing somewhere but in the spiritual universe those can all take place at the same time. Because spirit can take many forms and shapes and functions all at the same time……..…this also gets to pg18 ALLEGORY OR METAPHOR VERSE LITERAL 154
Also note Rev 1:8 Jesus is identified as the almighty which goes perfectly with all those OT scriptures that state the father is the same person as the son and the son is the same person as the father……The ALMIGHTY can be in two different locations even in heaven at the same time looking like a man or a lamb or a lamb standing next to a man…because God is OMNIPRESENT which means there is no place that he can’t manifest himself in different ways ALL at the same time..!?!? Jesus who is God, sits at the right hand of God . The environment of the physical universe as well as the environment of the Angels in heaven all exist internal to God by virtue of the fact among other things that they are all limited where as God is unlimited thus the limited must logically exist within the infinite...Ironically those that try to argue Trinity "punting" to the glory and incomprehensible grand nature of God don't realize they are in fact putting God into a box (an environment) that God lives and depends on inside of, rather then the Box existing within God ......so tell me "How big is your God"? Col 2:8. Beware lest any man SPOIL YOU THROUGH PHILOSOPHY and vain DECEIT, AFTER THE TRADITION OF MEN, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9. For IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY
SUMMARY & CONCLUSION: There is a difference between a DESCRIBING what you believe is true…… verses ….DEMONSTRATING what you believe is true ………
God is ONE person is in the text both OT and NT (VERBAITM) and this here has demonstrated the scriptures on this fact. On the other hand, God is three different persons is not in any verse anywhere in the NT or OT.....It is only several extrapolations from cherry picked verses that “could allow” for multiple different persons if you ignore all others that make specific reference to the number of persons of God as ONE ONLY..... However those same verses that "allow" for the possibility for multiple different persons if you only look at them and ignore all the rest, can also just as easily be understood as one person. It is this “play” on what could be and what is demanded in these various passages that is the quintessential subtle trap that has snared so many of you into delusional heresy and damnation. I find it ironic that so many do not seem to see the significance between worshiping Three different persons who are God ....verses.....Worshiping One person who is God in Three different manifestations........it is further of interest to note that on the one hand some will try to claim it is the same thing and then turn right around and viciously attacking the idea that God is only one person...........Well if there is no difference and it does not matter weather or not God is three different persons or only One person, why such an aversion to saying God is only one person?? Three different persons or ONE person it is all just the same thing right? ...I think many do understand that it is NOT the same thing and as such cannot be considered just a 155
trivial matter........for some people that in itself is a starting point....Just to understand that HEY it makes a big difference....... On the other hand for those who do see the difference and do think it is a grave matter of salvation or damnation the root fundamental issue is that the trinitarian side will attempt to demand that a distinction between father and son must be a different person ….The Oneness group will point out that YES there is a distinction between the father and the son but a distinction by itself is not a demand for multiple different persons or different things. ONE person has distinct parts the head is not the right arm but it is the same person. If we are going to let the scriptures speak why the need for all the explanations that use every description and or credo statement known to man except for the very terms and concepts that the scriptures themselves use to describe the savior and the servant to come. Why all of the aversion to what the scriptures say. While it is true that many passages can be understood in different ways, you cannot make the scriptures contradict each other or cherry pick what you consider to be literal to claim your postion is logically valid. You cannot ignore and abuse logic on the one hand because God is greater then our human reasoning while at the same time trying to use “reason” and logic to explain your position. When cherry picked portions of scripture and argument fit in a logical way the Trinitarian they will say it is just common sense. Or “come now let us reason together”…However, when everything is put together and it becomes obvious that the arguments do not and cannot conform to logical and consistent application they appeal is then to the fact that God is so great and past all of our human understanding. CALLING GOD’S DOCTRINES AND TRUTH BY THE NAMES OF THE DEVILS LIES, SO AS NOT TO OFFEND THE DEVILS SERVANTS, IS NOT A PATH TO GODLINESS Some have very foolishly suggested that all of this is just “playing with semantics” and that the doctrine trinity and sound doctrine are compatible. The doctrine of the trinity has a “real definition” no matter how some people may want to use the term(s) in ignorance or otherwise. However, and in any case, that doctrine is a heresy and people need to know it and what it is. It only furthers the cause of a lie by hiding the meaning of those lies behind false definitions and or concepts. It would be no different then claiming that Jesus was evil and it is true if we just don’t define the English word evil the way the official definition of the word is (because Jesus was evil to those who hated him) That makes no sense except as a subtle example of an vain attempt to call good evil and evil good!?! People may be using terms in ways they do not really understand but even in that they are promoting the spreading a lie and confusing the other people who don’t understand the slight of hand that the magicians are using to spread that lie……….use the word evil the way the word evil is defined….use the trinity the way the word is defined……..If you want to use the term evil or trinity in a different way then it is defined…that is up to you but you might as well be speaking to the wind in a different language. You may think you are making sense to you and your friends but your only going to confuse yourself and everyone else by using false and Fiat terminology. Simply calling your ONE car or ONE house a trinity does not make it true, no matter how much you insist upon it and only demonstrates that you are a confused individual who is trying to play with 156
the devils toys but making it " ok" by calling those toys by other names. Not only is there no such thing as a trinity in scripture but the very word is a contradiction of both scripture and terms. The way you describe your version of trinity may not the doctrine of trinity and some folks seem to like to make up their own versions of doctrines up, and then calling it “trinity” so that the devils children will still like them!?!? That is you simply trying to call truth by the name of a lie and is like someone saying Jesus was a liar but not the kind of liar your thinking of. No, Jesus was a liar of truth because the truth is a lie to those who love and believe in lies...YES THAT WOULD BE STUPID as a norm, but that is exactly what some folks are trying to do when they describe a version of “oneness” and call it “trinity” or "trinity” a "oneness" so that the trinitarians et al will not be so offended!?!? That is just another example of how confused people are as well as concerned with the praises of men rather then of God. You can't love the devil and call it Christianity nor can you claim that your Christianity is "devil worship" so that the Satanist will not be offended by your doctrine!?!? That does not make your Christianity Christian nor does it make devil worship more godly!?! The apostle John the disciple that Jesus loved who it was said about if I will that he remain till I come what is that to you (Peter) records the words of Jesus that speak of these things very very clearly: 1. If you do not believe that the servant who was sent is the same person that sent that servant, you will die in your sins 2. If you hold to three different persons of God where the father person sends a different son person you will die in you sins because the speaker who stated that he would send a servant said that servant would be HIMSELF and they would know that it was HIM!?! 3. Malachi 2:10 Have we not all ONE FATHER? hath not ONE GOD created us? Jesus Created all things…”By him” in the same way “by your hand” you do….Eph 4:6. One God AND Father of all……...God is the father……. the Father is God….Jesus is God…… Jesus is the Father!!! This is why Jesus asked them: Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip?.....Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? The whole point to Christ statements is that he is the SAME person as the father [you want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!]” because God is only one person not three different persons. “Ironically,” the father will in turn identify the son as the father also.
John 1:1. THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD In the beginning was the Word, and
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with God. 3. ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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THAT WHICH WAS FROM THE BEGINNING, WHICH WE HAVE HEARD, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN WITH OUR EYES, WHICH WE HAVE LOOKED UPON, AND OUR HANDS HAVE HANDLED, OF THE WORD OF LIFE; 2. (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and 1 John 1:1.
bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly OUR FELLOWSHIP IS WITH THE FATHER, AND WITH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST.
Some have asked where did Jesus specifically say "I AM GOD"...Ok, consider, If you ask me are you the preacher i might say yea "i am he"; that is just a generic reference that could apply to anything ....HOWEVER, Jesus is making a specific reference and laying claim to where GOD claimed to be "I AM HE".....It was no different then if you ask me right now are you God? and i responded with "I AM HE" that would be same as me saying I AM GOD......the reference Jesus uses is a specific reference to being God......When Christ lays claim to I AM HE it is the same as if you asked me are you God and i say " I AM HE" ..that is a specific claim to being God....!?!
PART 1 ECHAD..ECHAD...MY GOD...GOD IS ECHAD! Mark 12:28. And one of the scribes came, ...., asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29. And Jesus answered him, The THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE (HEIS) Lord:........IF YOU CANNOT PROPERLY GRASP THE CONCEPT OF “ONE GOD” (and “who” [what person] Jesus is) THEN ALL THE REST OF YOUR THEOLOGY IS MOOT Linguistically, both the Hebrew and the Greek NT terms translated as “ONE” in various places to modify “God” as in “God is ONE” destroy all pretense to God in three different persons. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php? fbid=1030441640312632&set=oa.563450353818585&type=3&theater The word Echad is used almost IDENTICAL AS THE ENGLISH WORD "ONE"......... Both the words "ONE" and "ECHAD" refer to
(a) ONE PERSON/ or item ONLY (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) (b) multiple different persons who are acting as one (Gen 2:24) (c) multiple different parts of the same person or thing that act as one .(Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64) . (d) While other possible uses for Echad exist such as “first” (e.g Isaiah 51:20); or “unique” in certain passages [e.g. based primarily on Job 23:13; Ez 7:1; 1Chron 17:21; 2Sam 7:23; et al] but none of these are relevant (nor necessary to debate the virtues of such as “unique”) because the same passage and word is used in the NT 158
with specific Greek word where uses such as “first” or “unique” would not be accurate and or permissible
Thus the mere fact that the word echad is used anywhere does not demand any one of those definitions just by itself NOR CAN YOU CHERRY PICK A DEFINITION YOU WANT TO USE SUCH AS A "COMPOUND UNITY"!?!…. so WHICH ONE OF THESE USES IS THE CORRECT USE?
There are two FUNDAMENTAL AND DEVASTATING reasons why ECHAD in Deut 6:4 (or any of the other places where God is defined by that word) cannot refer to a compound unity. Each reason stands on its own not dependent on the other and either one destroys the Trinitarians.
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(1) The word Echad can be used almost identical to the English word “ONE” it can refer to
(a) NO COMPOUND UNITY of ONE a single solitary ONE PERSON ONLY (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) …
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(b) COMPOUND UNITY : a husband and wife/ table and chairs as ONE which is a compound unity (Gen 2:24; Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64 ) ….Thus the fact that God uses the word ECHAD does not show that God is a compound unity any more so then to say “I am ONE” shows that I am a compound unity nor does it prove that I should have said “I am ALONE”
So which is it in Deut 6:4? Well the same grammar rule that applies to (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) applies to Deut 6:4 …Namely: 159
In Hebrew the word ECHAD must be accompanied by collective sets of nouns pronouns to identify as a compound unity in the same way the English word “ONE “ is used………..
EXAMPLE A: ECHAD /ONE/ HEN used as a COMPOUND UNITY of ONE:
-ENGLISH The table/Husband and chairs/Wife are ONE -GREEK The table/Husband and chairs/Wife are HEN -HEBREW The table/Husband and chairs/Wife are ECHAD HERE IS WHERE : Echad in scripture used as multiple different persons who are acting as one (Gen 2:24) And or multiple different parts of the same person or thing that act as one .(Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64) When the word Echad is used with reference to God it is NEVER qualified with multiple sets of pronouns/nouns WHICH IN HEBREW IT MUST in order to interpret or claim a compound unity exist and is almost identical in the way that the English word ONE does!?!?!? If you say you have ONE/ECHAD table no compound unity Is under consideration period! …if on the other hand you say those legs and top fit together as ONE/ECHAD then and only then is a compound unity under consideration….This is true for the Hebrew word Echad …It must be accompanied by multiple pronouns and nouns to suggest or claim any compound unity is under consideration but it NEVER IS WHEN GOD IS THE SUBJECT!?!?
EXAMPLE B ECHAD /ONE/ HEIS as a numeral singular ONE person place or thing with NO compound unity: -ENGLISH I have ONE table 160
-GREEK I have HEIS table -HEBREW I have ECHAD table HERE IS WHERE : Echad in scripture used as ONE PERSON/or thing ONLY (Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) NO COMPOUND UNITY IS HERE EVEN THOUGH THE WORD ECHAD IS USED! So, just as with the English word “ one” is defined by the context so too is the Hebrew word Echad defined by the context in which it is found. Collective sets of nouns/pronouns indicate a compound unity as in the table and chairs are “ECHAD”/ “one” ( set ) If on the other hand all you have is “one”/ “echad” table then there is not compound unity involved. When the Lord states that HE is one there is no compound unity under consideration because for there to be so then the OT text would have had to spell out that the Lord of he and I and him are “one” However, the OT context and sentence structure where Echad is used to describe God forbids any compound unity because for a compound unity to exist it must be qualified with a collective set of nouns/ pronouns, which it never is. NOTE: The word used in Deut 6:4 is Echad not Yachid nor does the existence of the word Yachid prove anything about how Echad is to be understood in Deut 6:4 (A) The fact that any language has multiple different words that can all mean and or refer to the same definition does not invalidate the definition!?! (example I am ALONE …or I am BY MYSELF) This Trinitarian kind of argument is saying basically that since God could have used the word FORTOLD (yachid) but chose to use PROPHECY (Echad) instead therefore the word PROPHECY (Echad) can’t have/ be used with the same meaning as the word FORTOLD(yachid)!?!?! …Prov 26:12 FISH can be used as SINGLAR or PLURAL FISHES is just another form of the word …The fact that the word Fishes exist does not prove that the word FISH is always singular!?!? www.dictionary.com/browse/fishes Elohim is SINGULAR or PLURAL…..the fact that there is another form of the word ELOAH proves nothing !?! (B) Since the word Echad can be used almost identical to the English word “ONE” it can refer to a single solitary NO compound unity of ONE(Ezk33:24; Eccl 4:8) … 161
OR……. it can also refer to a husband and wife/ table and chairs as ONE which is a compound unity (Gen 2:24; Ezk 37:17; Ez 2:64 ) ….Thus the fact that God uses the word ECHAD does not show that God is a compound unity any more so then to say “I am ONE” shows that I am a compound unity nor does it prove that I should have said “I am ALONE” if I intended that to be understood ….Trying to argue that God should have used this word Yachid instead of that word Ecahd if he wanted folks to understand that he is only one person is a ridiculous and self-righteous argument of cowards, fools and liars (trinitarians) ……Prov 26:12 Further and final note for this first part: “A compound unity” can refer to different parts of the same thing or person as well as different persons who are acting/ unified as one. So even if “a compound unity” is assumed in Deut 6:4 that still would not demonstrate that God would be multiple different persons as opposed to having different modes/parts/manifestations that are unified together such as the different parts of the human body are all unified as one but only a fool should suggest that compound unity represented multiple different persons! SECOND: (A) The same verse and words of Deut 6:4 are translated in the NT with specific Greek words that PROHIBIT and FORBID any more then ONE PERSON !?! Thus the NT writers understood ECHAD in Deut 6:4 NOT as a compound unity but as ONE person ONLY….. In the NT two different Greek words are used to express those SAME BASIC SET OF DEFINITIONS found in the Hebrew word Echad or the English word "ONE" they are “Heis” & “Hen” “HEIS” (a) ONE PERSON ONLY This word demands a singular person (or item) when person (or item) is the object being quantified by that number. (NO EXCEPTIONS EXIST, not even in Gal 3:28!?!) Joseph Henry Thayer: “Heis” means the cardinal numeral ONE. Where the word “heis” takes the place of a predicate it means one person. (Page 186. A Greek, English Lexicon of the New Testament.) Mr. A. T. Robertson: “One,” when masculine (heis) sets forth the idea of the cardinal numeral “one.” When referring to people or beings, ALWAYS the numeral “one” is implied. (Page 186 vol 5; pages 526 and 527, vol 4; page 299 vol 4. Word Pictures of the Greek New Testament.)
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Bauer: The masculine “one” (heis) means, A single; only one. (Page 230 Bauer’s Greek Lexicon.) Gingrich: The masculine “one,” (heis), is equivalent to ‘protos’ which means‘first’. Only one; single. (Page 57, Shorter Lexicon of the Greek New Testament).
“HEN” (b) multiple different persons who are acting as one “HEN” (c) multiple different parts of the same one person or thing that act as one .................. IN the NT when Deut 6:4 et al is referred to by Christ it is recorded as using the Greek word “HEIS”.NOT HEN!?!?....Thus Linguistically, destroys all pretense to God in different persons....... When two or more words or concepts equally apply have different possible meanings they can only logically apply in a way that they do not contradict each other.(you cannot appeal to self contradiction in terms to make a valid argument)..the Trinitarian argument is incoherent and certainly not consistent with itself. Logically The church members are "Hen" but cannot be "heis". so multiple persons is the demand. On the other hand, your head and right arm are both "Hen" and "heis" this can only be logically coherent as ONE PERSON with parts or parts of the same person. Likewise; Father and son are "hen" and God is ONLY and always "heis" logically they can only be one person in parts/portions of the same person (B ) The whole point to Gal 3:20. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one, again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The mediation is between multiple persons (“a party” of God and man); the “but” points out the contrast between the multiple persons in a mediation party verses the “one” of God; The “BUT” is making the point that God is not like a mediation party with multiple persons, God is ONE [person]!?! The one is contrasted against “a party” or multiple persons……….. No matter how one try’s to interpret the parties as individual persons with opposing views or as two different groups or parties (ie corporations) with opposing views, this verse makes a contrast between those meditations and parties which are “NOT ONE” (person), But God “IS ONE” (Person). Thus any attempt to lay claim that this verse does not destroy all contrary pretenses about the fact that God is only one person is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense of the greatest magnitude. (C) ~pg 51..There are two kinds of oneness one of purpose/Unity/ and one of Person and one kind of oneness does not exclude the truth of the other kind of oneness. 163
They are NOT mutually exclusive. You can’t use one kind of oneness to make void the other with. If Christ is praying for one kind of oneness you cant then assume that well he must be denying the other kind of oneness. The fact is the father and the son just like a head and right arm are BOTH one in purpose/unity AND (as he states elsewhere in other context) one in person. Thus, pointing to passages such as these which use the word “HEN” and in the obvious context of unity of purpose/action/goal and speaks of the oneness of Jesus and the father in that unity wanting his disciples to also be in THAT UNITY just as the right arm (Jesus/son) and head (father) are in THAT UNITY does not have anything to do with the number of persons of God. Jesus is NOT asking that they be one in person nor is he denying that the son and father are one person. The only oneness (Jesus is praying for) under consideration here is the UNITY of parts/purpose/action NOT persons!?! Thus, these passages have nothing to do with the number of persons of God nor can it "Quality" the number of persons of God. In fact they are completely irrelevant in defining the number of persons of God except as an good example of Trinitarian faulty exegesis and logical fallacies.. SUMMARY:
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(A) The Hebrew grammar prevents ECAHD from having compound unity in specific verses (B) The Greek grammar prevents the same word translated into from having compound unity
Since "compound unity" is NOT consistent with how the OT or NT writers used/ translated Deut 6:4 the word nor can echad be said to be only used or understood as “compound unity as such: ……… TRYING TO APPLY OR INSISTING THAT A COMPOUND UNITY IS HOW ECHAD SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD IN DEUT 6:4 IS PURELY THE RESULT OF AN ACADEMIC FOOLS TRYING TO PLAY ACROBATIC EXEGESIS AND DECEIVING UNSTABLE AND UNLEARNED MEN!?!…It is these trinitarin et al type arguments like the ones addressed here that demonstrate those who are making them are either woefully Incompetent or liars or the minions of other cowards who hopes no one can point them out for what they are.
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God said he would CHOOSE send you STRONG DELUSIONS. I bet it never occurred to the trinitarians et al that God would ever use words in such a way as to allow folks like them to “get confused” (inexcusably so) or lied to and delude themselves with. (2Thess 2:11-12/Isa 66:4/1Kings 22:19-23/ 2Chron 18:18-22) Not only do they not know what they are talking about but the books and or people who are teaching these kinds of argument are cowards who know that they cant defend it so they create as many tape-recorded minions and send them out as one of their “students” so they can avoid the risk of embarrassment of being shown wrong and incompetent. But, don’t worry because they have a vey good reason (stupid reason) why you were not able to answer the anti- trinitarins as well as they themselves could have "if it had been them"!?!…However, if on the other hand no one is able to show these minions the foolishness of their arguments, then the Trinitarian scholars and “teachers” will congratulate the minions on how well they have been taught. I can hear Darth Sideous now: “you have been taught well, they will be no match for you”…..In other words THEY ( the Trinitarian “scholars” and liars who are teaching these arguments) are using you and in their eyes see you as “useful idiots” ……….or just “good minions” (like bob and Stewart) ….you can “see it” however makes you dandelions grow happy…..... …Prov 26:12
PART 2 Pgs 85-95 ...CHAPTER EIGHT: “LETS TALK ABOUT ‘US’” But some will say “what About Gen “God said let us”………Summary: 1. it actually states “ELOHIM said let us” ... while verse 26 uses the plural pronoun “us” it then uses the single pronouns “his” and “he” to reference God in verse 27. Thus, the argument that would claim God must be a plurality of persons because of verse 26 would also demand that God is a single person in verse 27. Logical coherence and or even so much as basic consistency are not values that the Trinitarians can afford to concern themselves (or anyone else,”…. never mind that man behind the curtain”) with too much. 2. The scriptures call angels and demons et al Elohim because the word is NOT a name but rather akin to a classification of life….Animal life….Human life…..Elohim life….Further the word Elohim is used in the very same way that the English word fish is used the same spelling of the word can refer to singular or plural, as in:…I have a FISH (singular Ex 4:16/ 7:1)…or…I have many FISH. (plural Ps 95:3; 97:9; 82:1-7 et al) Note that the word Elohim also has a singular sense (see also Ex 4:16, 7:1). In the Ps references here we can also see that “ALL ELOHIM” demands that each one is a elohim. …. The comparison and contrast is also made in the fact that there are “OTHER ELOHIM” and God is above ALL those OTHER ELOHIM. … NOTE: The fact that any language has different forms of the same word and or multiple different words that can all mean and or refer to the same definition 165
does not invalidate the definition FISH can be used as SINGLAR or PLURAL FISHES is just another form of the word …The fact that the word Fishes exist does not prove that the word FISH is always singular!?!? www.dictionary.com/browse/fishes Elohim is SINGULAR or PLURAL…..the fact that there is another form of the word ELOAH or EL OR ELI et al proves nothing !?! 3. Thirdly and most importantly, apparently either ignored or by virtue of absolute gross and inexcusable ignorance or willfully so but God has a conversation with a certain man, “in your KJV bible”,( or any of the other translations ) and lets him know that the angles were present and participating and doing work in the creation! In fact, God makes a point to tell this man that the man does not know the names of and or the “who did exactly what” during the creation. A king proclaiming work to be done before all of his servants: only a fool would doubt that He is talking to his servants and instead think he was only talking to himself.!?!? While it is true that God spoke some things into existence it is untrue that everything created was spoken into existence. Man was “formed” from the dirt that God had already created several days prior. Man was not spoken into existence he was first formed and then God breathed into the clay/dirt that had been formed. If we create machines to do work for us, then when the work is done WE not the machines claim and obtain all the credit How come so many are so ignorant of these scriptural facts?..and yet I know why……. it demonstrates 2Thess 2:11-12............... When God said He is ONE, there is no excuse for God In three persons…… Some would ask: “Does it means that angels is also a creator?”...NO why would it?..if you create a machine that can do work for you when the work is done YOU still get all the credit...God Created the angles (host of elohim; who also are always described looking like men because God created them with the same image that God himself is describe as having!?!) who in turn were involved in the creation process when God created the heavens and earth...Thus, although they (all the other elohim) were present and participating in the creation it was Lord Elohim (Lord of the Elohim who is himself Elohim; aka GOD) ALONE who gets ALL the credit because God created the angels and everything else...simple logic....the fact that the angels were present and participating is not mutually exclusive to God taking all the credit for the work any more so then a king takes the credit for building his empire even though his servants are involved in the work..they all do the work under the authority and power of the King and in this case it goes even further because in this case the King even created the servants that will be participating in the construction processes Well Now,…………“Lets talk about ‘Us’” PG 91- 92…….On “BEING” a PERSON……
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There a chasm of dichotomy between what (A) Trinitarins claim ….and (B) what they are doing in actuality ….. (1) the Trinitarian claim is that God is three different persons but still ONE being ( ASSERTION) (2) The Trinitarians three different persons is in REALITY three different beings. Because a person is “a being” and “a being” is a person. (REALITY) Simply imagining that there is a compatible but diametrically opposed pole difference between “a being” and “a person” ....... the idea that one being could be three different persons who are not three different beings when a person is a being by definition then what is really at work here is a willful denial of reality in favor of someone’s imagination. Three different persons can NEVER be ONE IN NUMBER OF BEING…..in fact to suggest such is a oxymoron. A person is a being and three different persons is three different beings so to say God is three different persons who are one being is in fact to say (while trying to hide behind different terms that mean the same thing) "God is three different beings who are one being". It would be just like me trying to say I have one Vehicle that is three different cars. That is incoherent nosense!............ A rose by any other name is still a rose. Three different persons is three different beings a single being that is three different persons only exist in the minds of those that create and hold on to that idea. The scriptures never say such things and Man is made in the image of God and that image demonstrates no such thing. PG 17……The following diagram depicts three different animals, three different humans and the Trinitarian result of three different persons in a “godhead” (Three different persons who are each God is no different then three different persons who are all Human or three different pets that are all animals ) Bill, Jack and Jill are three different persons but "NOT ONE HUMAN BEING" (not one being).....Cat, Dog and Mouse are three different pets each with their own "personality" , They are "NOT ONE ANIMAL"(not one being)...............To claim that father son and holy spirit are three different persons is "NOT ONE ELOHIM".......nor is is ONE GOD"..........Nor is it "ONE DIVINITY" ............... ELOHIM, HUMAN & ANIMAL are all classifications of life they are not names. Refer back to 8 for the proof that many persons are called Elohim angels demons even dead people. The point of the chart should be very clear unless you are confused by the linguistic contortions and acrobatics of the doctrine of trinity which all things considered should not be so surprising since it is by definition "INCOMPREHENSIBLE" (incoherent & inconsistent) It is no wonder then that the thinking of those who cannot grasp the significance here is also "INCOMPREHENSIBLE" (incoherent & inconsistent) Running around calling three different cars “ONE VEHICLE” or “THE VEHICLE (“GOD HEAD”) does not force reality to conform to your "confessions (or professions) of Faith". A person is a “BEING” but three different persons is NEVER considered a being.....Likewise calling your three different god persons with different amounts of god knowledge wisdom and authority ONE God is simply delusional. (2 Thess 2: 11) Three gods is not one god no matter how much or how hard you confess it or want to believe that you only worship one God any more so then a 167
prostitute, who claims/ confessing (ad nauseum) that pagan worship and or immoral practices are not immoral and that she denounces all forms of sexual immorality will not magically make the whoredom suddenly an expression of "good works"!?!.....ONE animal is ONE being....ONE PERSON is ONE BEING.....These kinds of arguments hold no water and only shows the lengths to which trinitarins will attempt at linguistic contortions to try to justify a incoherent and heretical position at any and all cost of reason, logic or scripture et al Marcellus of Ancyra (fourth-century AD) said that the idea of the Godhead as three hypostases (hidden spiritual realities) came from Plato through the teachings of Valentinus, (c.100 - c.160) Valentinus taught that God is three hypostases and three prosopa (persons) each of the three persons being 1. the Father, 2. the Son and 3. the Holy Spirit: "Now with the heresy of the Ariomaniacs, which has corrupted the Church of God ... These then teach three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him 'On the Three Natures'. For he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he is discovered to have filched this from Hermes and Plato." Source: Marcellus, in Logan 2000:95/ AHB Logan: Marcellus of Ancyra (died c. 374AD) (Pseudo-Anthimus), On the Holy Church: Text, Translation and Commentary. Verses 8-9. Journal of Theological Studies, NS, Volume 51, Pt. 1, April 2000, p.95. “All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity’ “ (Aristotle, Fourth Century B.C. quote taken from: Arthur Weigall, Paganism in Our Christianity, 1928, pp. 197-198) “It is generally, although erroneously, supposed that the doctrine of the Trinity is of Christian origin. Nearly every nation of antiquity possessed a similar doctrine. [The early Catholic theologian] St. Jerome testifies unequivocally, ‘All the ancient nations believed in the Trinity’ ” (Marie Sinclair, Countess of Caithness, Old Truths in a New Light, 1876 p. 382). Col 2:8. Beware lest any man SPOIL YOU THROUGH PHILOSOPHY and vain DECEIT, AFTER THE TRADITION OF MEN, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9. For IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY Thess 2:11. And for this cause GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: 12. That THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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2Tim 4:3. For the time will come when THEY WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they HEAP TO THEMSELVES TEACHERS, having itching ears; 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and SHALL BE TURNED UNTO FABLES. Interestingly enough Valentinus himself would later be condemned as a Gnostic heretic for some of his other heretical teachings that the orthodoxy (which is just a fancy word for “popular”) did not accept. According to Clement of Alexandria as well as Valentinus himself, Valentinus claimed to have developed his ideas from Theodas or Theudas, who was said to be a disciple of St. Paul. Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. 28. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29. FOR I KNOW THIS, THAT AFTER MY DEPARTING SHALL GRIEVOUS WOLVES ENTER IN AMONG YOU, NOT SPARING THE FLOCK. 30. ALSO OF YOUR OWN SELVES SHALL MEN ARISE, SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES AFTER THEM. 31. THEREFORE WATCH, AND REMEMBER, THAT BY THE SPACE OF THREE YEARS I CEASED NOT TO WARN EVERY ONE NIGHT AND DAY WITH TEARS. Marcellus of Ancyra, like to attack his opponents by linking them to Valentinus: and apparently he believed that the idea of God existing in three hypostases as heretical. (On the Holy Church, 9) "Valentinus, the leader of a sect, was the first to devise the notion of three subsistent entities (hypostases), in a work that he entitled On the Three Natures. For, he devised the notion of three subsistent entities and three persons — father, son, and holy spirit." Early Christian Writings: Valentinus Concerning Valentinus Tertullian states: Valentinus had expected to become a bishop, because he was an able man both in genius and eloquence. Being indignant, however, that another obtained the dignity by reason of a claim which confessorship had given him, he broke with the church of the true faith. Just like those (restless) spirits which, when roused by ambition, are usually inflamed with the desire of revenge, he applied himself with all his might to exterminate the truth; and finding the clue of a certain old opinion, he marked out a path for himself with the subtlety of a serpent. Adversus Valentinianos, iv,
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God used it to describe himself and who would be coming in the flesh …That part of the spirit of God that God considers to be his own right arm comes occupies and is “fussed” with human flesh in a way that the rest of God is not. The distinction is in that fact and the “additional sensations/existence” that human flesh/spirit fusion create, not a distinction in person. .......When someone goes to put a needle in my arm IT REACTS to pull back but my head tells it no stay there it is for the best….but only a fool would try to conclude that my right arm is a different person, even though it has “a will of its own” (see Ch7 also the flesh lust against the spirit and visa versa) ..?!??!. This Trinitarian attempt to deny what God plainly states about his own nature and “PERSON” based on the trinitarians “rational” arguments but build your whole God on the incomprehensible concept of three different person who are each God with different “god” powers and knowledge as only ONE GOD rather then what that really is which is three different Gods…...So [for trinitarians et al] what God has clearly stated and described (God in the spiritual universe will send that part of himself that he considers to be his own right arm will be born into the physical world of human flesh) is just a figure of speech or metaphor but what God specifically denounces (God specifically denounces that he is multiple different persons) must be the “truth” that all men must accept according to these Trinitarian heretics. What God describes is just a figure of speech not to be taken too literally while the ideas that plainly contradict God must be accepted as “truth”. Everyday experience can explain the nature of God using the modalistic descriptions and allegories found in scripture with everyday experience. However, trinitarianism cannot be seen or understood in everyday experience and is in fact as admitted to in their own “confessions of faith” (and by virtue of their “God is so great we cant put God in a box, we just can’t understand it arguments/excuses) is admittedly “INCOMPREHSIBLE”. ........ Christ is part of the omnipresent Spirit of God (that God considers to be His own right arm) attached to flesh but not limited to the confines of that flesh; connected in a way that the rest of God is not.. ….He (Jesus) is however, that part of God that God himself considers to be his own right arm that came in the flesh. ……..and the terms that God uses are the very ones that man who is made in his image are not just modalist but staunchly anti-trinitarian! His son is his right arm... …. before you scoff with Jesus was just a hand puppet of God (Gods right arm in human flesh) then consider you likewise are just as much a puppet of the soul/spirit that is in your flesh the only difference is that you are a different person (then God) who’s spirit is limited to the confines of your human flesh while Christ is part of the omnipresent Spirit of God (that God considers to be His own right arm) attached to flesh but not limited to the confines of that flesh; connected in a way that the rest of God is not. A simple thought exercise with a hand puppet animated by you (the unseen behind the curtain spirit using your right hand) explains all the “difficulty” understanding with such passages as Jn 10:29-31; 12:49 et al ........Your spirit animates your body just as a puppet is animated by a hand in a puppet glove. (the spirit is the life what gives animation to the flesh) You can put your right hand into a glove or puppet and animate it. Your spirit is animating your physical flesh. The physical flesh is nothing more then a more complex puppet of your spirit. Jesus is nothing but that part of the spirit of God that came and occupied 170
the same physical flesh as you and me and animated it in the same way that we are animated by our spirits. The difference is that our spirits were created by Jesus himself who is the father and God of all spirits. If you find the concept of Jesus as a puppet disturbing then just look in the mirror because that is what you are! .... …………Since man is made in the image of God you would think that folks would want to start with that concept to apply first, rather then invoking the number three or the word Trinity entirely unnecessarily, into a God that is quite clear about the fact that He is only one person..…My right hand IS me and is WITH me (Jn 1:1). ….WOW, imagine that!?!? Distinctions are not multiple persons. The fact that God has distinctions between father son and holy spirit is not any more incomprehensible then a man with a head and right arm and a sprit that animates them all. One might be tempted to think that God actually intended for us to understand his nature by using the very creation (even in the language and terminology) that was made in that image……………………… Man is made in the image of God and God uses these exact terms to describe and define his nature. You right arm is distinct from your head...It is with you and it is you....Your head is greater then your right arm (the father is greater then I).....your right arm can only know, do and communicate what your head tells it to, (Jn 8:28) unless it feels pain and then it lets the head know..."I do not like this"...so the hand wants to pull away from the needle but your head tells it no stay there it if for the best. (not my will but thy will be done) Jesus is nothing more then that part of God that God considers to be his right arm come in the flesh. How curious that everyone seems to have never read or heard (certainly never meet the metric of “know and understand”) that God states he is going to send his right arm and in that day they would know "I am he". Take note, the speaker who is going to SEND his right arm states that it is HIMSELF that is coming; in another passage the speaker who is going to SEND a servant states that it is HIMSELF. The person who sends the servant is the servant that comes. Your right arm does the bidding of your head and by your right arm all things that you make are created also. When I sit down my right hand (an object) is “at my right hand" (a location). Take a look at the diagrams in Chapter six which conceptualizes the whole idea of "where God is". There are many other things we shall continue to explore in this study and once you see it you should realize just how simple it all really is. Then your next question will be “how come then so few or almost no one ever saw all this before”; to which i suggest (A) a few have (B) 2 Thess 2:10-11........................ How "Ironic” (hypocritical) that Trinitarians will try to deny the scriptures use of God literally sending His right arm (even ridiculing that) because of its Anthropomorphic implications and yet that is the exact bases for all Trinitarian arguments. It is the anthropomorphic descriptors that the Trinitarian hypocrites try to use as reasons for arguing a demand for multiple/three different persons of God (ie. had to be multiple persons so that God was not praying to himself et al). The Question must be asked, “How many other Gods is there for the one God to pray [or swear] to?!?! God could swear by no greater then Himself, nor could their be any higher authority to hold God to his own oath...!?! God is one person who only sent a part of himself called his right arm via a physical birth ergo called his son to teach us how to live pray, suffer and die to HIMSELF!?!....well, he certainly did not come to teach us how to pray and die to some other god????.
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Rom 8:1 walk not AFTER the FLESH, but AFTER the SPIRIT…… 5. For they that are after the flesh do mind the THINGS OF THE FLESH; but they that are after the Spirit the THINGS OF THE SPIRIT. But What fool would suggest that since my flesh and the new spirit inside of me are contrary to each other and want different things must mean that I am multiple different persons!?!? When someone goes to put a needle in my arm IT REACTS to pull back but my head tells it no stay there it is for the best….but only a fool would try to conclude that my right arm is a different person..even though it has “a will of its own” (see also the flesh lust agains the spirit and visa versa).. A distinction between the desires or “will” of the spirit and the desires “will” of the flesh or what the spirit wants and what the flesh wants does not make for different persons!?! The only coherent and consistent way to apply all the scriptures is in and with the allusion to head and right arm the head that scriptures make just as your right arm is you and you are the head of your right arm it is with you and is you. The issue is not what God could do or what “great things” you can image that God could do, but rather what did God say about his self, His nature and how did God describe it. The Fact that God can do more then you image is not a valid argument for why God did everything you suggest in spite of what he clearly stated!?!
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PART 4 & 5 HOW MANY OTHER GODS IS THERE FOR "THE ONE GOD" TO SPEAK WITH?!?...and what about the voice at Jesus’ baptism?............The real question should be ... How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or God from praying and talking to himself by dividing him up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one God to pray too and Jesus is that God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our (and the flesh) benefit not his!?! ......There is only one God to pray too so if God is going to personally (in the flesh) show us how to pray to God, then he would need to do so by praying to himself. There is perfectly good coherent reasons for the one God to be praying to the one God (praying to himself). But, oh no, Trinitarians feel that if God talked to himself then that would be stupid at best and at worst make God schizophrenic or some other mental illness they fear. No sir, they will have none of it, they are on a “mission from god”. They are going to go out and save God from himself and any schizoid/mental illnesses that might “bedevil” God himself. What is even more ridiculous is that their solution to keep God from talking to himself (some mental illness they feel) is to evoke multiple person(s)-ality (deny it is a) disorder and insert it onto God’s “being” (call it one “entity”/ “The Godhead”) instead!?! Man is made in the image of God and when I see a man with multiple different personalities, in the way Trinitarians desperately need their god to be, we call it a disorder (demon possession to be more exact) not divine!?! .......................If the One God (in heaven who is a SPIRIT) wanted to validate that it is in fact himself (on the earth in human flesh) that has come in the flesh on the earth, then a voice out of heaven telling everyone that is Himself is perfectly consistent with a coherent agenda and methodology. The voice and witness to men does not come for God’s own sake but for man’s reassurance. (John 12:30 Jesus answered and said, THIS VOICE CAME NOT BECAUSE OF ME, BUT FOR YOUR SAKES) The one person God (who is omnipresent) in heaven as well as on the earth (at the same time) wanted everyone to know that it was indeed HIMSELF "in the flesh" Suddenly we can see that the only things “bedeviled” with “many demons” (and mental imperfections) are the Trinitarian’s logic and mindset itself Pg 78…….So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF the same “being”! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only 175
demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (they are text book examples of prov 26:12) This of course is all nonsense and just polytheism with different wrapping paper and a bow on top. (remember this is not one of those unscrupulous pyramid schemes this is a trapezoid with a solid foundation!?!) If Jesus is not the same ONE GOD that the father is then no amount of denials can overcome the fact that Trinitarians would still be talking and worshiping to different (and in this case) “ONE GODS”. If however, Jesus/father are the same ONE GOD then Trinitarianism cannot escape the fact that “THE ONE GOD” would still have to pray and or talk to HIMSELF at some point. Denials only solidify the fact that they do pray and or worship to three different gods; three different god “selfs” and the only place you can find a “being” that is three different persons is in the “logic” and heads of fools who think they worship one God only that does not talk to himself. ………… A tree is known by its fruit...In the beginning God said you will die; Satan came along and stated you will be more "wise".....God and His Children said God is one; Satan's children say no three or triune God is more "wise"...You are of your father the devil. Those who believe in God in three persons are noting but polytheist who insist and “confess” that they are true monotheist....like liars and thieves who insist and “confess” they are not lying and stealing...!?! All liars will have their part in the lake of fire. The fact you claim to be or not to be something does not make it true. You cannot believe in three persons of God if you believe in one God. Three different persons is by definition plurality of beings (godS not God) simply laying claim to it is "beyond comprehension" to explain or understand, but "don't worry we “confess” that we are monotheist and are not polytheist" is in fact just delusional. Here is a diagram that graphically depicts how ONE PERSON who is God can Be everywhere at the same time... If a omnipresent God speaks from two different locations even at the same time why is that so amazing, why would Jesus need to be a ventriloquist?!? But perhaps you worship a small God who can only be and act [communicate] in one location at a time [in only one way at a time] People unwittingly put god into a box or environment for God to live in rather then God creating the box and environments for men and angels to live you. Obviously That part of the spirit of God which is connected to the flesh that was born into this world is connected to that flesh in a way that the rest of the same spirit of God is not. Ergo, the distinctions between the Father, Son and Holy spirit are distinctions in function and of circumstance/condition of the various parts of God not differences in person!?! PGg10... There are only distinctions in the manifestations due to being in different kinds of universes ie spiritual & physical and functioning differently in those all at the same time....Same HE or HIM but the HE that is in heaven is also the He that is on earth but the HE on earth is subordinate and obedient to the HE in heaven because the HE in heaven is the greater part of the HE that is on earth!?!............. 176
PART 5 What about the “trinity formula”??.....Mat 28:19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them IN THE NAME OF the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST: Some look at this verse and “see” direct evidence of three different persons, which is quite bizarre since This passages specifically makes the point that Father son and holy spirit all have the same name by placing them side by side equating those with each other as the same person!.. The passage is NOT making a distinction of three different names we are to worship in, pay homage to, baptize into!?! (A) Placing father, son and holy spirit in the same list with each other, it identifies that father son and Holy spirit have the SAME NAME! It does not say IN THE NAMES OF it states IN THE NAME singular not plural (compare: Gal 3:16) (Phil 2:9. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given HIM A NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME:…………………….; Acts 4:12. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.)………..There is ONLY ONE NAME that saves not three different names!!! (B) John 5:43. I AM COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME, The fact that three things are mentioned in a list is not a “proof” of three different things or persons. In fact, in writing and or public speaking there is a technical use called a tetracolon and also “rule of three” it was widely used by the Greeks and roman orators of whom it is said “perfected it” even today in modern language it is widely used and scriptures use the same basic construct. A good example of this can be seen here: in Revelation Rev 1:2 Who bare record of (1) THE WORD of God, and of (2) THE TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ, and of (3) all THINGS THAT HE SAW. (Rev 19:9..THESE ARE THE TRUE SAYINGS OF GOD. .10…for THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.) Also applies to 2Cor 13:14. The grace OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and the love OF GOD, and the communion of THE HOLY GHOST, be with you all. Amen. …Note the use of “GOD” here rather then father….it matters not if you try to assume that father is under discussion here because the fact is there is ONLY ONE GOD PERIOD and in this verse Jesus, God and Holy Ghost are all God and all the same God. All three of these things are the same thing/ message addressed from three different perspectives (or portions/parts) or ways of saying the same thing; It is NOT three different messages or testimonies or “Words of God” !?! 177
(C) Prov 30:4. Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? …… what is his name, and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME, if thou canst tell? LEARN & “KNOW” WHAT “THE NAME OF THE LORD” THAT YOUR ARE BAPTISED INTO AND OR YOUR “FAITH ONLY” IS IN!?! Ps 138:2. …. and praise THY NAME ……. for thou hast magnified THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME Rev 19:13. .. and HIS NAME IS called THE WORD OF GOD…………………………… SO: - If God placed His "THE WORD" ABOVE all of God's various NAMEs - and Jesus NAME (who is God in the flesh) IS called "THE WORD" Then it must follow that the MOST important name we should KNOW and CALL UPON is "THE WORD"; . Not the letters that spell the word but the sayings/ doctrine/commands…. Isaiah 52:1. .. 6. Therefore MY PEOPLE SHALL KNOW MY NAME: ......................What NAME do you "KNOW".?..... 1Jn 2:3. And HEREBY WE DO KNOW that we KNOW HIM, if we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS./ Titus 1: 16. They profess that THEY KNOW God; but IN WORKS THEY DENY him……. . Rev 3:8….. kept MY WORD, and hast not DENIED MY NAME; Jn 17:6. I have MANIFESTED THY NAME .... and they have KEPT THY WORD. ERGO: In the name of the father son and Holy Spirit does not denote three different names or three different persons but three ways/modes of the same person and name of God 1John 5:13. These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE ON THE NAME of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may BELIEVE ON THE NAME of the Son of God. 1Jn 3:23. And THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, That we should BELIEVE ON THE NAME of his Son Jn 20:31. But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life THROUGH HIS NAME. 1Jn 3:23. And THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, That we should BELIEVE ON THE NAME of his Son 178
For further explanations see Ch 1 “in the name of the father” and Ch 7 “in the name of the father part 2” ………….. This is will also explain what THESE mean: Jn 14:13. And WHATSOEVER……. ye shall ask ……..IN MY NAME,……. Acts 2: 21. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall CALL ON…….. THE NAME OF the Lord ……………………..shall be saved……38…baptized every one of you …………IN THE NAME OF Jesus Christ Even Most preachers do not really understand the most fundamental issue in answering the arguments which are ALL centered and is rooted in a perfect understanding of "THE NAME OF THE LORD" …THE WORD is the NAME that whosoever calls upon it will be saved!! Acts 2:12 means EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS the problem is people do not understand what THE NAME of the Lord is............ ( other considerations: PS 83:16&19 the name is Jehovah but Jehovah is not the name!?! Jehovah means self existent eternal one it is as much an adjective that describes what God's as it is used as a proper noun [i.e. “my name is wonderful” but wonderful is not my name]) ……. Jn 14:13. And whatsoever ye shall ask …………IN MY NAME, ……….that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14. If ye shall ask any thing ……..IN MY NAME,…………. I will do it. 15. If ye love me, keep my commandments. If you do not understand that the name of the lord is THE WORD of God (not the letters that spell “the word” or “The bible” but in the message. Doctrine, sayings(Jn 8:61; 14:24;15:20; Rev 19:9 et al), commands of that Word made flesh(Jn 1:14) ………Then you probably have no clue what God much less what Gospel you are preaching!!! ……….Soooooooooo WHAT "NAME" did you "CALL UPON" and Confess and or are now denying ?!? ………………………………Ps 53:4 PART 6 THE ANIT-CHIRST ….WHERE?...WHERE?...EVERYWHERE!! Pg 71 ….Trinitarianism is just as Anti-Christ as much as is ISLAM, JW, LDS, ROMAN CATHOLIC et al because (they all confess the Christ/messiah came in the flesh, Yes even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come) they all deny WHO it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!.... [ "WHO" it was (what person) that came "IN THE FLESH", IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! …..But wait someone would say, I would never consider my right arm to be my son so why would God consider his right arm to be his son?...... Because of the physical 179
birth of male human flesh that was born as a “son of man” (that was in fact God himself) and as such belongs to God. Was it Mary’s son or God’s son? It is simply a matter of perspective. The male child was born of a virgin but the male human flesh was animated or only had life via that part of God considered to be his own right arm and as such that male human flesh was literally the human flesh of God since it was A SON and God had no other human flesh (or son) it was literally the ONLY or unique birthed BEGOTTON SON (male human flesh) OF GOD (belonging to / the possession "of God") Jesus is a son because what was physical born was male human flesh and a son that was the possession of God because it was God in that male (son) human flesh .NOT because some other different god person who was not a powerful and knowledgeable as the father God person! .. Pg 14 ..It is superfluous even fallacious to insist on a second person of God because a son must be a different person then a human father because Jesus did not have a human father and God does not take a wife and have children like men do ?!?!… God via the angel told Mary that what was going to be born was to be called the son of God, (NOTE: here in Heb it states “I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?) NOT because the servant/Right arm sent is a different person then the father who sent his right arm/ “My servant” the son. Jesus is a literal son by virtue of the birth into human flesh NOT by virtue of having a different person then the father. Further, it is important to understand that there was no son of God until the son was born however that part of God himself that He considers to be God’s own hand / right arm (by which he created all things and would latter send via a physical birth) had always existed. The fact that God has distinctions between father son and Holy Spirit is not any more incomprehensible then a man with a head and right arm (that comes to “man” via a physical birth ergo called the “son of man” & “Son of God”) and a sprit that animates them all. One might be tempted to think that God actually intended for us to understand his nature by using the very creation (even in the language and terminology) that was made in that image. Pg 69..To have different persons (in the “God-head” et al) each with their own unique spirit or person from the other two persons and subservient to just one of those spirit-persons makes a hierarchy of god persons just like the Greek gods. The only difference is limiting the number of these god persons to three as opposed to any other number in the other pagan pantheon of gods. Simply, claiming “no it is not a pantheon of gods. We confess God is one nature/substance/being with three different persons (composing the god-head)”, simply moves the location of your pantheon from Mt Olympus up to heaven into God’s head (but the pantheon is still there, Further, having multiple persons in one head is a mental illness it is not “divine”) !?! PG 97 …A tree is known by the fruit it bears. The fact that God said he is "one" and someone came along and contradicts that and states "God is three in one" should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden...God said you will die...Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE......today .God said He is one; but Satan's children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: "NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God 180
is three different persons". Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image! The worship of different persons who are each God with different degrees/amounts of god knowledge, god power and god authority that authorize and send each other around on different missions is the practice of polytheistic pagans who worship their gods, NOT Christians. Simply calling all of your different gods, “God” does not change the fact that you are worshiping multiple different god persons. Claiming that worship of three different persons is the worship of only one deity is not just a contradiction in scripture and terms but just as ridiculous as taking a ford pickup truck and replacing the hood (and all other emblems) ornament(s) with a Mercedes-Benz emblem on it then trying to pass it off as a Mercedes sedan!?! Pg 27 ..... What is even more curiously hypocritical is the fact that according to the Trinitarian reasoning, God is not capable of being only one person in three parts. NO NO, however, on the other hand they are quick to point to how great God, past our human understanding and our limited feeble minds He is as the reason for why we should just accept that God can be one being with three different persons as a “godhead”. The coherent and consistent approach to the one person godhead is thrown out in favor of the incomprehensible three person God because God is so great he could do that. They will say we don’t have to understand it because we can’t and must not put limits on God. However, on the other hand, they will deny that God is great enough to be only be one person who is the father and the same person who is the son and the same person who is the holy spirit (even though that is how he describes himself.) God is not great enough to be and do that. In any case, the Trinitarian’s treat their god to only be as great and incomprehensible in the way and for the reason they imagine the God to be. Trinitarinas have no difficulty “seeing” (never mind they also claim it is impossible to fully understand) that God is three different persons (with three different minds and or three different locations with different amounts of knowledge, power and authority that send each other around) but they cannot, will not accept and would fiercely deny and claim that it is impossible for one God with one person, could just have three different modes bodies (physical/spiritual He occupies) of all the same person!?! You see God is only as Great and incomprehensible in the way and for they reasons that they say God is past (your) “feeble” human understanding, but they in their “humility”, accept that fact; and “be damned” what anyone or any scriptures have to say otherwise about it.
PART 7 …AT THE RIGHT HAND (1) When we say God sent his right arm into human flesh this kind of image (this here is the left arm) or the kind of idea that some have conjured up for others to scoff and mock...however, God is a omnipresent spirit so God did not need to detach any part of himself he just simply used that part of his omnipresent self and put it in/ attached it to the flesh that would be born male (son) human flesh without ever being separated or detached from that part of himself......God did not detach 181
anything...GOD can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time as such any part of God can be anywhere he so chooses to "place it" so a better conceptualization is the other diagrams .........and NO the devil is not God's left arm nor is he even a part of God, the devil is NOT God..( he is a created being) Pg 143............... .But wait someone would say, I would never consider my right arm to be my son so why would God consider his right arm to be his son? God is a omnipresent spirit that “lives” primarily in heaven (as a spirit in the spiritual) God calls that part of himself that he considers to be his right arm His son because of the physical birth of male (son) human flesh that was born into the physical world as a “son of man” (that was in fact God himself) and as such belongs to God. His own right arm came into the physical world via a natural physical birth into human male (son) flesh!! Was it Mary’s son or God’s son? It is simply a matter of perspective. The male child was born of a virgin but the male human flesh was animated or only had life via that part of God considered to be his own right arm and as such that male human flesh was literally the human flesh of God since it was A SON and God had no other human flesh (or son) it was literally the ONLY or unique birthed BEGOTTEN SON (male human flesh) OF GOD (belonging to / the possession "of God") Jesus is a son because of the circumstance .NOT because some other different god person who was not a powerful and knowledgeable as the father God person! .....Except you believe it you will die in your sins..
Pg 14 ..It is superfluous even fallacious to insist on a second person of God because a son must be a different person then a human father because Jesus did not have a human father and God does not take a wife and have children like men do ?!?!… God via the angel told Mary that what was going to be born was to be called the son of God, (NOTE: here in Heb it states “I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?) NOT because the servant/Right arm sent is a different person then the father who sent his right arm/ “My servant” the son. Jesus is a literal son by virtue of the birth into human flesh NOT by virtue of having a different person then the father. Further, it is important to understand that there was no son of God until the son was born however that part of God himself that He considers to be God’s own hand / right arm (by which he created all things and would latter send via a physical birth) had always existed. The fact that God has distinctions between father son and Holy Spirit is not any more incomprehensible then a man with a head and right arm (that comes to “man” via a physical birth ergo called the “son of man” & “Son of God”) and a sprit that animates them all. One might be tempted to think that God actually intended for us to understand his nature by using the very creation (even in the language and terminology) that was made in that image. 182
(2) I am a father and a son; I am only one person. Likewise God is father and son and is only one person…The difference is I am a human I cannot be my own son or my own father ….WHY? The circumstance of God’s person is different then the circumstance of my person My person exist and is limited it had a beginning an origin/genesis…….God’s person is eternal self existent and does NOT require a beginning or origin to exist …that is why he can claim the beginning and the end….I cannot not…a father is the beginning the son is the end of that cycle as a created being with a beginning or origin I cannot be my own beginning as such cannot complete my own origins. The only reason I cannot be my own father is that as a father I had a beginning so I had to FIRST BE A SON BEFORE I BEGAME A FATHER…….BUT GOD DID NOT HAVE TO BE A SON BEFORE HE BECAME A FATHER…I cannot be my own father because of my finite circumstance (I had a beginning, as a created human) not because a number of persons defines what a father is or who can be a father or son. The Human flesh of Jesus had a beginning and was created but the person and spirit of that man Jesus was God and had always existed before the son of man came to be. WHAT MAKES AND DEFINES WHAT IT IS TO BE A FATHER AND A SON IS NOT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PERSONS BUT RATHER AND SIMPLY CIRCUMSTANCE. The son of God was born and thus became the son of god when and only when that part of Gods eternal self was born into the physical world into male human (ergo “son”) flesh was born….It was God and that male human flesh (ergo son) was the sole possession of God as such it was “OF GOD” ( belonging to God)…not a different person.. God had NO SON before Christ was born........ it makes this point clear in the OT as well as in the NT period! ..But YES JESUS HAD ALWAYS EXISTED!?! OT…..Ecclesiastes 4:8. There is ONE ALONE, and there is NOT A SECOND; yea, HE HATH NEITHER CHILD (BEN/SON) nor brother: yet is there no end of all his labour; neither is his eye satisfied with riches; neither saith he, For whom do I labour, and bereave my soul of good? This is also vanity, yea, it is a sore travail..................... (Solomon here is mentioning in his discourse and making reference to GOD as comparison/ contrast to the vanity of men....Solomon here is NOT talking about himself nor is he talking about some or any old lonely man that happens to be out there.... i only mention this because i get the most ridiculous comments sometimes) NT……Heb 1:5 Thou art my Son, THIS DAY (at a certain point & specific day)………. HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON? 6. And again, WHEN HE BRINGETH IN The first begotten into the world ............ ? John 17: 4-5 does not help the trinitarians because as demonstrated JESUS has ALWAYS Existed but NOT always as a son and John 17: 4-5 does not say that Jesus was a son before the world began it ONLY speaks to the fact that Jesus who is the son was in existence with the father before the foundation of the world....Again 183
trinitarian faulty exegesis. They like to ignore the plain scriptures in favor of oblique references and interpret them in a way that directly contradicts clear passages and even though John 17:4-5 is still just as true just as describe here as the right arm of God that would latter come and be born into male (son) human flesh .....The male child was born of a virgin but the male human flesh was animated or only had life via that part of God considered to be his own right arm and as such that male human flesh was literally the human flesh of God since it was A SON and God had no other human flesh (or son) it was literally the ONLY or unique birthed BEGOTTON SON (male human flesh) OF GOD (belonging to / the possession "of God") Jesus is a son because what was physical born was male human flesh and a son that was the possession of God because it was God in that male (son) human flesh .NOT because some other different god person who was not a powerful and knowledgeable as the father God person! .....Except you believe it you will die in your sins.. There is alot of perspective that folks seem to gloss over and do not consider. Of course Jesus has always existed because Jesus is nothing but that part of the spirit of God considered his right hand that God would send and put into flesh via a physical birth…However, from another perspective it is just as equally true that, Jesus the man ( “son of man”/ “son of God”) did not exist before he was born into the flesh (ergo Ps 2:7…this day have I begotten thee; Lk 1:35. )….because before he was born into the flesh he was just God specifically the right arm of God that was promised to come latter. That part of God that God would send into flesh has always existed but that part of God has not always existed in flesh or as a man!?!.....Thus when folks argue over or point fingers on whether or not Jesus existed before he was born into the physical world has everything to do with perspective. No man (or “son of man”) existed for all of eternity prior to the time before God (Jesus) created Man….There was only God (Jesus) who created man and all things…This brings us to another important point and concept to understand. Man is a spirit animating flesh. When God put himself (that part of his eternally existent self) into flesh via a physical birth then God literally became a man and a son. That son of man did not exist prior to the point that man was born. However, that part of the spirit of God that was born into that flesh had always existed because it is God in the same way that if I put my right hand into a leather glove (of human flesh) that part of me that is put into that leather glove existed before during and after it leaves that leather glove of flesh. Never the less, the man did not exist until the male human flesh (son) Jesus was born. The God which is the spirit because God is a spirit and Jesus is God had always existed before he was born into the world but he did not exist as a man (or “son of man”) prior to the time that he himself as God created man/ “son of man”!?! Before the son came into the world he was only considered to be the right hand of God, that would come and when it did he would be called the only begotten son of God, for the very reason that while many have been called "sons of God" Jesus was the ONLY BEGOTTEN son God had via a human women!?!? NO God did not create a right arm at any point in time...that eternal part of God that God himself considers to be his right arm that has ALWAYS existed came to be born into human male flesh and at that point because of the birth and male human flesh became THE SON OF GOD....by virtue of circumstance NOT by virtue of being newly created..!?!? Jesus as THE SON had a point in time in which he BEGAN to be a son.......but Jesus had always existed because the man Jesus is that part of God that 184
God considers to be his own right arm that God would send via a physical natural birth into human male (son) flesh!?! While some have tried to point to John " Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.”, they dont seem to realize this is speaking of all those groups who claim that Jesus was a different person then the father Trinitarians/ JW islam et al....why?.. Because while some deny the divinity of Christ other make Christ a different divinity and deny it. You see both sets of groups make the same error they point to arguments and say Jesus was a different person then his father.....Tthus even JW and Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they like the trinitarians all deny WHO it was (or what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!...."WHO" it was (what person) that came "IN THE FLESH", IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh!......one denies divinity the other creates a pantheon....both are damned.... In fact the holy spirit is the same right arm as well…..go back and look at part 3 and NOTE that what is revealed is the right arm …… WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT? …The right arm also in different form… John 14:9. Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?......The "oneness" between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man and his wife, for only a fool would say "When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?" .................. 10. Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?.... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, THAT WILL I DO, THAT THE FATHER MAY BE GLORIFIED in the Son. 14. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT. ………….. NOW WE GET TO THE HOLY SPIRIT: …………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU... (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh... ....latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given).....that is why. he would send the spirit...... However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you” The present condition was external to them but in the flesh dwelling with them but, the future condition would be internal to them .. Rom 8:9 When you “see” or “pray” to the father (in the name of the father 185
covered further in Ch 7) you are “seeing” and praying to Jesus and visa versa and Jesus will be the one to “come” and answer because father and son are just different parts/manifestations of the same person!? Eph 4:4. There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, 6. ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 1Peter 1:10. Of which salvation THE PROPHETS have inquired and searched diligently, WHO PROPHESIED of the grace that should come unto you:11. Searching what, or what manner of time THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM, when IT TESTIFIED beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow……… 2Peter 1:21. For THE PROPHECY CAME not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. Col 1:27. … THIS MYSTERY among the Gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory: …. Rom 8:9.....if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DEWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his......... John 6:63. It is THE SPIRIT that quickeneth; … THE WORDS … they ARE SPIRIT, and they are life… Rom 8:9. … THE SPIRIT dwell IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his. There is only ONE SPIRIT not one spirit for Christ the man another spirit for the Father person (who is a spirit) and a third spirit called the Holy Spirit!?!?!....1Cor 12:13....There is no such thing as three different spirits who are also the same ONE SPIRIT ...
The servant that would be sent would be the same person that was sending that servant by sending God’s own right arm to do The work God wants done (put your right hand into a leather glove to do some work) The big difference is that right arm/hand goes from solely existing in the spiritual universe and comes into the physical universe (made flesh) . ONE & THE SAME PERSON HOW MUCH MORE CLEAR COULD HE HAVE STATED IT!?!? Trinitarians ignore 70 percent of the scriptures with specific references to his single person and nature expressed parts in favor of relegating that to "figures of speech and rely instead upon obscure inferences that do not demand additional person but "could be" if that is all you had to go on...Our God is not being deceitful but Trinitarinas do not understand why our God would leave it such a "could go/ see it, either way" issue...........1Kings 22:22; Isaiah 66:4; 2 thess 2:11....
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It matters not how exactly how a omnipresent God is able to describe himself in and with Anthropomorphic terms and or concepts The fact it He does and in the very context of the creation that was made in his own image. So our faith either rest in that to be understood just as one man is made in the image of God or in rejection of that and instead in favor of some other invented nature and chalk up all the contradictions and inconsistencies to a “grand incomprehensible magnificent nature of God” created in the image of men’s imaginations. This leaves everyone with the question who or what the church should rely on, the “creeds from Rome” or should we “learn in us not to think of men beyond what is written (in the scriptures) and rely and what the scriptures themselves say about the father, son and holy spirit? Trinitarians are doing nothing but playing ignorant, blaming the ignorance and irrationality on humility in spite of what God clearly stated and wanted you to know about himself. That is a sure path to a “just reward” of eternal torment. All constructs on the nature of God will end with limits to our ability to fully understand. There comes a point to which understanding can go no further back. This is to say we are not outside of God looking down on God’s nature. ..However, the difference is in one rest with what God explicitly said which is He is one alone, and interprets everything to be understood in and with that (Which can very easily be done)…………..verses……….”well although he did not say it explicitly we shall use what we consider His implicit statements to interpret 180degrees of the explicit ones with: ‘what He really means is He is three in one’”…. A “godhead” with three different persons in it is not a god it is a freak show of pagan origins in ritualistic bragging rights. The pagans dearly love the “monsters” in their heads they worship as gods and want you to worship and pay homage to them also. The worship of three different persons who are each God is polytheism with different wrapping paper and a bow on top. Trinitarians are nothing more then pagans who have attempted and continue “successfully” to co-opt Christ for their own lies and wicked purposes. However, in fact they only preach “another Jesus” and “another gospel” (2Cor 11:4). They are polytheistic pagans who masquerade as Christians and point to the fact that they have so many adherents as evidence that they are with the true church and have the true doctrine. It is quite cleaver if you think about it. The devil gets such a large number of his own followers to call themselves Christians that their numbers exceed the actual membership of the true Christians and in so doing confuse if possible even some of the elect of the true church. Thus, one might be wise to remember that when considering “orthodoxy”. Trinitarins want to worship one God but they need three different god persons to make all their “troubles” disappear, (if they were able to digest the son as the same person as the father, there would be no heretical doctrine called trinity) but they cannot perceive the God of the bible and can only “see” a god of their own making and think the logical, coherent, and consistent way to describe this “one god” of theirs is by calling three different persons “one god” (like a family in China who would try to claim that their three different children are “one child” so as not to conflict with China’s “one Child” policy) I suppose they (trinitarians) “should expect” to hear “well done thy good and faithful servant enter into the joys of thy ‘lord’”, ……..as they are cast headlong into the lake of eternal fire and damnation. With their ‘Lord’ Satan! ………………………………………YOU FOOLS!? 187
What Trinitarians want to leave you with is a denial that Jesus is the part (the right arm) of God, no sir, you cant take that literally (never mind that is exactly the way or how God himself explains it) you should know that is not what God was describing and intended for us to understand……………The fact is, they would say is that description is modalism (or some other “ism”) and that is a well known heresy decided long long ago according to numerous church councils ……………. Instead you must listen to us (the god is three different persons folks) who describe God and son using terms and concepts not found anywhere in scripture and present a incomprehensible “being”. The justification for ignoring God and going with their own vain ideas of a “incompressible being” and or “god head” is that……. Well, God is so great you know …. Finally, take careful note of the contrast between a mere fool and the man described in this verse, Prov 26:12. Seest thou a man WISE IN HIS OWN CONCEIT? there is more HOPE OF A fool THAN OF HIM. While they (the trinitarians) will denounce this description of Father son and holy spirit as the heresy of Modalism, (they also called Sabellianism) the undeniable fact is that God in the scriptures Himself uses the very term and states verbatim that God was going to send his own right arm to come save man ….. which is Modalism!?!?! God sending parts of himself in different ways, that is the doctrine of ONENESS!?!? ……The Trinitarians make God the heretic and their denials of this fact is no different then a whore who would denounce prostitution as evil and a work of darkness and then turn right around and describe what she does “I confess” as “It is not prostitution” but rather “ spreading love and comfort to all who need it most”… (Ad nauseam) They actually brag that they are so pious for denouncing this “false doctrine” of Modalism, Sabellianism et al !?!. Now go back and look at the verse mentioned and take careful note of the fact that in Prov 26:12 these people are WORSE OFF then just a mere fool….fools have MORE HOPE then those people……..Thus, those of you who follow these Trinitarian “text book” exemplars of Prov 26:12 “congratulations” you’re a step ahead “promoted” above FOOLS…… which is not much of a “promotion” is it?!?.......Get ready for it…… Your damnation is just and coming soon to a day and an hour near you……… If you cant grasp what “ONE GOD” means you have as much chance of grasping any deeper theology and or getting to heaven as a snowball in hell has of freezing the rest of hell over with ice!?! ..YOU GOD DANMED FOOLS!?! This is not my curse upon you….nor is it my wish for you ….it is simply a fact and the state of affairs to which you are assigned… 188
MEMORABLE QUOTES: “The Christian position is always and inevitably Trinitarian. Christian worship must be Trinitarian if it is true worship” –M. Lloyd-Jones Proverbs 8:5 - O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, YE FOOLS, BE YE OF AN UNDERSTANDING HEART.…
Isaiah 5:20. Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; THAT PUT DARKNESS FOR LIGHT, AND LIGHT FOR DARKNESS; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21. Woe unto THEM THAT ARE WISE IN THEIR OWN EYES, and prudent in their own sight! 1Tim 4:1…..giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2. SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Col 2:8. Beware lest any man SPOIL YOU THROUGH PHILOSOPHY and vain DECEIT, AFTER THE TRADITION OF MEN, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9. For IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY
2Thess 2:11. And for this cause GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: 12. That THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Tim 4:3. For the time will come when THEY WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they HEAP TO THEMSELVES TEACHERS, having itching ears; 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and SHALL BE TURNED UNTO FABLES. “All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity’ “ (Aristotle, Fourth Century B.C. quote taken from: Arthur Weigall, Paganism in Our Christianity, 1928, pp. 197-198) “It is generally, although erroneously, supposed that the doctrine of the Trinity is of Christian origin. Nearly every nation of antiquity possessed a similar doctrine. [The early Catholic theologian] St. Jerome testifies unequivocally, ‘All the ancient nations believed in the Trinity’ ” (Marie Sinclair, Countess of Caithness, Old Truths in a New Light, 1876 p. 382). 1 Cor 1:19. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21. For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 2Tim 3: 5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.……..7. Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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ORTHODOXY According to orthodox. Dictionary.com. Online Etymology Dictionary. Douglas Harper, Historian. The word “orthodoxy is from Greek orthos which means "right", "true", "straight" + doxa which means "opinion" or "belief" and the word is related to dokein, "to think". However, orthodoxy is really just used as a fancy word that is used to mean "conforming to the Christian faith as represented in the creeds of the early Church" or the popular / dominant view of the present day. The creeds were determined by councils that voted on things so it really represents “most popular” or “majority of (your group) thinking” when any group refers to itself as being within or as the orthodoxy. MODALISM also called Sabellianism, is THE UNORTHODOX BELIEF that God is one person who has revealed himself in three FORMS or MODES in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. http://www.theopedia.com/modalism MODALISM teaches that the Heavenly Father, Resurrected Son and Holy Spirit identified by the Trinity Doctrine are different modes OR ASPECTS of the One God, as perceived by the believer, rather than three coeternal persons within the Godhead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabellianism ASPECT is a term used across several religions and in theology to describe a particular manifestation or conception of a deity or other divine being. Depending the religion, these might to disjoint OR overlapping PARTS, or METHODS of perceiving or conceptualizing the deity in a particular context. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_(religion) That fact that a anthrophomorphism is used to describe the PARTS of the deity that is manifested does not invalidate it as being modalistic!?!..........it is that simple .....God sending or manifesting three different PARTS of himself is modalism by definition.....Those three different PARTS that God manifest can be 190
(1) anthrophomorphism(s) (2) any other number of qualities/ aspects of God (love, wisdom et al) . GOD HIMSELF describes his nature and what was sent and manifest of himself to man in MOADLISTIC terms concepts of PARTS of himself NOT different persons...... ANTHROPOMORPHISM is the attribution of human characteristics and qualities to non-human beings, objects, natural, or supernatural phenomena. God, animals, the forces of nature, and unseen or unknown authors of chance are frequent subjects of anthropomorphosis. The term comes from two Greek words, άνθρωπος(anthrōpos), meaning "HUMAN," and μορφή (morphē), meaning "SHAPE" or "FORM." The suffix "-ism" originates from the morpheme "-isma" in the Greek language. http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Anthropomorp hism Anthropomorphic adjective 1. OF or RELATING TO ANTHROPOMORPHISM 2. RESEMBLING THE HUMAN FORM http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anthropomorphic? s=t
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