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Posted: May 7, 2005 05:25 pm
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I need your advice on a purchase. I am thinking about buying buyin g Kenton's original Kolossal Killer but I’ve heard that Killer Konceptions is much better. I don't know which trick would be a better buy. I’ve done some research on both tricks but people seem to be divided on which is better. It seems that some people like Kolossal Killer and others like Killer Konceptions. Special user Michigan, U.S.A. 688 Posts
Kolossal Killer is Kenton's Kenton's trick that has has a manuscript manuscript explaining how to perform it and Killer Konceptions is a just manuscript. On his website, Kenton says says that Killer Killer Konceptions was not meant to “replace" the original Kolossal Killer and that you'll need the manuscript from Kolossal Killer first to read and comprehend Killer Konceptions. If this is correct I might be better to just just buy the Original Kolossal Killer and not worry about which effect is better. I would like to purchase both but I can only afford a fford one. I would rather buy a book than a trick anyday but I've heard so many good things about this trick that I am going to purchase it anyway. Does anyone know whether the Kolossal Killer or the Killer Konceptions trick is in any of Kenton's books? I am going to buy a couple of Kenton's books later this year and it might just be cheaper for me to just buy the Kenton book that has contains the effect. If neither are in any of his books, which trick would you suggest that I purchase, the Original Kolossal Killer or Killer Konceptions? Thank you for your help a nd advice. Gerard "Confusion is not magic." Dai Vernon
David Numen
Posted: May 8, 2005 12:02 am
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Nope, KK is not in any other books. And you definitely need the original manuscript before you get Konceptions. I love the variations in Konception and may use some of them (in fact the verbal force is something I do use) but I generally use the original version.
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tuffnavyrn
Posted: May 8, 2005 03:56 am
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Yup...gotta own Kolossal Killer first. Brian"That smart thing that somebody else said".
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Alewishus
Posted: May 8, 2005 10:41 pm
But, I figgured out the effect and method just by reading Killer Konceptions, though I would rather have had both at the time. Get them both.
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A. Sack subs, ok Ross? We miss you asper.
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David Numen
Posted: May 9, 2005 01:04 am
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It is certainly possible to figure out the method but there are many subtleties in the original manuscript.
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MephistoWizard
Posted: May 9, 2005 06:09 am
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Both are well worth the cost, but I agree with those who say you really should have both to do justice and if you only choose one, make it the original. MephistoWizard New user 7 Posts
oliver_wolf
Posted: Feb 28, 2011 01:47 am
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There is a new version of Killer Konceptions out ("Killer Konceptions 2010"). Who ever is working with Kolossal Killer and already own the old konception manual ...consider updating it to 2010. It is the same plus, plus, plus... A lot of working mentalists have contributed their version of t he Kolossal Killer. You can get it via wonderwizards.com as a PDF.
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TonyB2009
Posted: Feb 28, 2011 07:11 am
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Bang On by Marc Oberon is a far stronger effect than Kolossal Killer. It allows you eliminate the childish "off by one" out. Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson http://www.PartyMagic.ie
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EventEntertainer
Posted: Feb 28, 2011 09:29 am
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I do several of my own variations. One I eliminate all the writing, one with no cards, and (coupled with anout idea) one you can even do over the phone. I love KK, and think the KK2010 would compliment the original nicely! gerard1973: Inner circle Look Ma! 1104 Posts
If you DO get KK, please let me know. I have a new variation that allows the cards to be freely shown and even given away as souvineers. A few people are already using it. Consultant, performer, creator, and all around nice guy!
Roger Kelly
Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:03 pm
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On 2011-02-28 08:11, TonyB2009 wrote: Bang On by Marc Oberon is a far stronger effect than Kolossal Killer. It allows you eliminate the childish "off by one" out.
Ouch! Controversial I actually prefer the off by one! Bang on is excellent, but its a bit heavy on pocket space.
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As for KK and KK - get both - great reading and you wont be disappointed. Wenger MUST go!
Amirá
Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:08 pm
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On 2011-02-28 08:11, TonyB2009 wrote: Bang On by Marc Oberon is a far stronger effect than Kolossal Killer. It allows you eliminate the childish "off by one" out.
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Childish only for you maybe Tony. Is a GREAT dramatic moment. If you cant handle it, sorry. Pablo
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jdmagic357
Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:10 pm
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I do a version of this that combines work by Kenton Knepper with work by Larry Becker to be spot on with one card. Wonder if I should market it, with the honorable mention of the two creators I saw inspiration from? Just cause they say it, doesn't make it true.
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IAIN
Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:14 pm
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On 2011-02-28 18:10, jdmagic357 wrote: I do a version of this that combines work by Kenton Knepper with work by Larry Becker to be spot on with one card. Wonder if I should market it, with the honorable mention of the two creators I saw inspiration from?
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though you'd need their respective permissions, rather than crediting if you a re using their methods... http://birdofparadox.files.wordpress.com......ecat.jpg www.lulu.com/spotlight/uncle90
Amirá
Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:28 pm
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On 2011-02-28 18:10, jdmagic357 wrote: I do a version of this that combines work by Kenton Knepper with work by Larry Becker to be spot on with one card. Wonder if I should market it, with the honorable mention of the two creators I saw inspiration from?
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Do it ! It can be fun Pablo
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JanForster
Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:39 pm
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Quote: On 2011-02-28 18:03, Roger Kelly wrote: Quote: Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 3488 Posts
On 2011-02-28 08:11, TonyB2009 wrote: Bang On by Marc Oberon is a far stronger effect than Kolossal Killer. It allows you eliminate the childish "off by one" out.
Ouch! Controversial I actually prefer the off by one! Bang on is excellent, but its a bit heavy on pocket space. As for KK and KK - get both - great reading and you wont be disappointed. Well said, Roger; couldn't agree more. It's simply a matter of taste and style. My favorite (knowing and trying all): a combination (yes, my idea) of On the Mark (Mark Elsdon) and Bang On. Love it. Jan Jan Forster www.janforster.de
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