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Beginners-Rules-Warnings-Cautions Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 13 2014 01:57 PM caveat,

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Beginners-Rules-Warnings-Cautions I am Not Responsible if you hurt yourself. This is for Educational use only. I am not doctor. I also do not have a fancy Certificate or Diploma. I also do not charge outrageous prices for anything. Actually I do not sell anything, at all - period. The only motivational factor behind this forum is Altruism, not agenda.

This Forum, I put together, can never take the place of actual ''one-on-one'' instruction. This being said, not everyone can afford a personal trainer/teacher/holy guru Some people, due to location, finances, responsibiltiies, etc will never, ever- have access to a trainer/teacher/holy guru Many people, who visit this forum, are seekers of truth, researchers- and those who only want to learn solo.

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They trust their own instincts. They read books, visit web sites and watch videos, maybe buy a DVD, exchange emails, etc Some of these people- a small minority, also want extraordinary power- not just enlightenment or better health. Then, on the other hand- a minute amount of people are wanting to venture to the land of Immortality. This can cause a lot of confusion going at this Alone Thus, the purpose of this forum.

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The irony is some teachers will say teaching students over the phone or in email is valid. They also say they can send energy/transmissions/mufflers to students long distance. But having a FREE forum to do it- apparently- is bad. Controlling the flow of money energy is complicated and competitive. If I offer competitive knowledge- i.e., = path to self-power for free... it is going to ruffle the feathers of some people who seek to to do as a profe$$ion (money) 4/30/2014 11:26 AM


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Edited by SonOfTheGods, 15 April 2014 - 11:36 AM. Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:59 PM

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I Understand there will be many Lurkers. Most forum visitors are takers- and not givers. That is understandable. Also some individuals would like to post on My PPF but can not because it conflicts with their teacher's rules (I'm free competition) &/or some have vested interests/agendas &/or may have other forums/cults and can not compromise the fringe/cult leader's rules, etc It's all cool with me. However, some of these people due to their inability to post on here- Email/PM/Private Message me. The time it takes for me to personally answer a private message could be better applied by posting those questions on the forum so everyone can benefit. I understand some have personal issues, but most of them have to do with. . Mo Pai. So please read this now - before you message me later about Mo Pai.

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In My Opinion- Mo Pai is DEAD. 70 unknown levels out of 72 -makes it unusable If you are Western/Caucasian it is off limits to you anyway. Seeking information any place OTHER THAN from John Chang- Personally-- is going to get you confused or even hurt. So forget it. If you still want to look for unknown/false/invented Mo Pai hidden levels via: DragonBall Z or from other books or from Wudang Mountain or from oracles or from any other sources- that's all fine by me.

JUST DO NOT ASK ME ABOUT MOPAI I DO NOT DO MOPAI I DO NOT CARE ABOUT MOPAI.

Having Immense power comes from Quantum levels of entanglment/accumulation of previous life times. *IF* you are supposed to develop these Immense Power/Abilities

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it will come to you via NeiGong & Neidan If you are desperate in shooting electric/nuke bolts out of your hands- buy a laser or nuclear sling shot (I hear they're all the rage nowdays) If producing fire makes you thrilled, buy a Flame Thrower ( or maybe just grow up

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However if the yearning for learning is what you Seek- continue on with My Forum ____ http://thetaobums.co...wbies/?p=540625 (http://thetaobums.com/topic/34481-warnings-for-newbies /?p=540625) BaguaKicksAss, on 14 Apr 2014 - 17:42, said:

Did you know that 33.5% of the google searches that bring people to our forum are for "John Chang"?


Apech So how do you feel about Mo Pai?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:37 AM Apech, on 16 Apr 2014 - 02:51, said:

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LDT: Owner's Manual = Symptoms of the Fully Charged Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 27 2014 11:02 AM Pearl,

Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:02 AM

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The Ancients referred to the Lower Tan Tien as a Pearl Pearl is also mentioned in other religions: Gnostic hymn Hindu scriptures Hebrew scriptures New Testament scriptures Islamic scriptures Mormon scriptures Why would the Lower Tan Tien be referred to as a Pearl?

Quote A pearl is a hard object produced within the soft tissue (specifically the mantle) of a living shelled mollusc. Just like the shell of a clam, a pearl is made up of calcium carbonate in minute crystalline form, which has been deposited in concentric layers.

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A solid Crystalline structure/object, compressed in layers, formed inside soft tissue, inside another living & solid organic body. That is My Definition If you open up a Mollusc, you see a slippery shiny moist substance. That is where you find the pearl Think about this, Meditate about this. This is how the Lower Tan Tien is born There also Natural and Cultured Pearl One is real and grown over time, and the other is manufacturedImitation Also, Meditate about that. ______________________ Ley Lines are Yin Streams These streams run @ 90 Degree Angles/Perpendicular: Earth To Sky Yang (Blue Plasma) Lightning & Rain - Storm clouds- Passing over Ley Linescreate Nature's Tan Tien's: -Tornados

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You Only hear this from Me I posted another thread about Dowsing and understanding various Yin Layers/Levels throughout the Earth The Earth has differing potentials of Yin Qi Some areas under the soil: Rich black fertile soil versus sand, clay &/or dead soil. Fossil - Oil Deposits as well as Mineral, Quartz, Gold, Iron Ore, Magnetic Lodestone, etc etc etc Organic life-forms Water running / negative ions / streams Under the Earth- like Sedimentary layers- the Yin fluctuates. Deep down- the Earth's core runs like an engine. Again as I said prior- under my feet and under your feet is very differing amount of Yin Qi- the variables are forever changing with your every step. There are also water pipes, electric cable, fiber optics, phone/landlines, gas pipes etc take all into consideration- Above You: analog waves, WiFi, microwave, gamma, ultra-violet, cell phone, etc through out the sky/rays/network- like a web

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take all this into account Above you Below you


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Electromagnetic Waves - What are Radio Waves? Radio waves are part of the electromagnetic spectrum (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav47.htm) . Radio waves are used for broadcasting radio and TV programmes. The transmitted (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav54.htm) information may be in the form of an analogue (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav55.htm) or a digital (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav56.htm) signal and uses a radio wave as a carrier (http://www.gcsescience.com /pwav55.htm) . What are Ground Waves, Sky Waves and Space Waves? Very long wavelength radio waves can travel all the way around the Earth, diffracting (http://www.gcsescience.com /pwav43.htm) around the Earth's surface. These are sometimes called ground waves. Medium wavelength (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav4.htm) radio waves are reflected (http://www.gcsescience.com /pwav18.htm) from an electrically charged region of the Earth's atmosphere called the ionosphere. These waves are sometimes called sky waves and they can also be sent from one part of the planet to another. Shorter wavelength radio waves pass straight through 4/30/2014 10:58 AM


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the atmosphere and cannot be used to send information all the way around the Earth's surface. These waves are sometimes called space waves and can be used to send information in a straight line across the Earth's surface.


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Calcium carbonate shares the typical properties of other carbonates. Notably: it reacts with strong acids, releasing carbon dioxide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide) : CaCO3(s) + 2 HCl(aq) → CaCl2(aq) + CO2(g) + H2O(l) it releases carbon dioxide on heating, called a thermal decomposition (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Thermal_decomposition) reaction, or calcination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcination) , (to above 840 °C in the case of CaCO3), to form calcium oxide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_oxide) , commonly called quicklime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicklime) , with reaction enthalpy (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Enthalpy) 178 kJ / mole: CaCO3(s) → CaO(s) + CO2(g)

Calcium carbonate will react with water that is saturated with carbon dioxide to form the soluble calcium bicarbonate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_bicarbonate) .

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CaCO3 + CO2 + H2O → Ca(HCO3)2

This reaction is important in the erosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion) of carbonate rocks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonate_rock) , forming caverns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavern) , and leads to hard water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water) in many regions.

Biological sources Eggshells, snail shells and most seashells are predominantly calcium carbonate and can be used as industrial sources of that chemical. [6] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-6) Oyster shells have enjoyed recent recognition as a source of dietary calcium, but are also a practical industrial source.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-7) [8] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-8) While not practical as an industrial source, dark green vegetables such as Broccoli and Kale contain dietarily significant amounts of calcium carbonate. Health and dietary applications

(http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/File:500_mg_calcium_supplements_with_vitamin_D.jp g)

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(http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/File:500_mg_calcium_supplements_with_vitamin_D.jp g) 500-milligram calcium supplements made from calcium carbonate Calcium carbonate is widely used medicinally as an inexpensive dietary calcium supplement or gastric antacid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antacid) .[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_notemedline-18) It may be used as a phosphate binder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphate_binder) for the treatment of hyperphosphatemia (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Hyperphosphatemia) (primarily in patients with chronic renal failure (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Chronic_renal_failure) ). It is also used in the pharmaceutical industry as an inert filler (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Excipients#Fillers_and_diluents) for tablets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_%28pharmacy%29) and other pharmaceuticals (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Pharmaceuticals) .[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-19) Calcium carbonate is known among IBS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_Bowel_Syndrome) sufferers to help reduce diarrhea[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed) ]. Some individuals report being symptom-free since starting supplementation. The process in which calcium carbonate reduces diarrhea is by binding water in the bowel, which creates a stool that is firmer and better formed. Calcium carbonate supplements are often combined with magnesium in various proportions. This should be taken into account as magnesium is known to cause diarrhea (http://en.wikipedia.org

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/wiki/Diarrhea) . Calcium carbonate is used in the production of toothpaste and has seen a resurgence as a food preservative and color retainer, when used in or with products such as organic apples or food.[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-20) Excess calcium from supplements, fortified food and high-calcium diets, can cause the milk-alkali syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk-alkali_syndrome) , which has serious toxicity and can be fatal. In 1915, Bertram Sippy introduced the "Sippy regimen" of hourly ingestion of milk and cream, and the gradual addition of eggs and cooked cereal, for 10 days, combined with alkaline powders, which provided symptomatic relief for peptic ulcer disease. Over the next several decades, the Sippy regimen resulted in renal failure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renal_failure) , alkalosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkalosis) , and hypercalcaemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercalcaemia) , mostly in men with peptic ulcer disease. These adverse effects were reversed when the regimen stopped, but it was fatal in some patients with protracted vomiting. Milk alkali syndrome declined in men after effective treatments for peptic ulcer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peptic_ulcer) disease arose. During the past 15 years, it has been reported in women taking calcium supplements above the recommended range of 1.2 to 1.5 g daily, for prevention and treatment of osteoporosis, and is exacerbated by dehydration (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Dehydration) . Calcium has been added to over-thecounter products, which contributes to inadvertent excessive intake. Excessive calcium intake can lead to hypercalcemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercalcemia) , complications of which include vomiting, abdominal pain and altered mental status.[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org

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/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-21) As a food additive (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Food_additive) it is designated E170;[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-22) INS number 170. Used as an acidity regulator, anticaking agent, stabiliser or colour it is approved for usage in the EU,[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-23) USA[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-24) and Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) and New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand) .[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-25) It is used in some soy milk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_milk) and almond milk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almond_milk) products as a source of dietary calcium; one study suggests that calcium carbonate might be as bioavailable (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Bioavailable) as the calcium in cow's milk.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-26) Calcium carbonate is also used as a firming agent (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Firming_agent) in many canned or bottled vegetable products. http://en.wikipedia....lcium_carbonate (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Calcium_carbonate)

Edited by SonOfTheGods, 27 April 2014 - 11:19 AM. SonOfTheGods

Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:39 PM "Symptoms" of a Fully Charged LDT:

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In My unique case: This Thread needd to be Bumped Up from the Second Page OUR Forum: Kundalini: Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:44 PM http://thetaobums.co...4458-kundalini/ (http://thetaobums.com /topic/34458-kundalini/)

Edited by SonOfTheGods, 27 April 2014 - 01:16 PM. Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:53 PM

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"Symptoms" of a Fully Charged LDT: First, fully charged means what? For the Lower Tan Tien to be fully charged that means that both Tum Mo & Jen Mo/ front & back/ Meridians are flowing. We have meridians (i.e.: yin yang heel meridians) that will always "Circulate" away any surplus of Qi built up in the LDT. The myth of a man having a chi-belly is fabrication. Jing Qi Shen is a process.

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CHOICE. While you were a fetus, all this developed for you.

Once the Tum Mo & Jen Mo are functioning adequately, and you start to develop a surplus of Jing to spare, from all other bodily functions, (only -afterwards)- then, your LDT starts to gain momentum. Again, a process. If your Mingmen starts to ache every time you do the MCO, with Yi- that can sometimes mean your Jing limit is being maximized and the pain is signaling Jing limited resources is being expended. Semenal Retention is necessry during these early stages. Once all is well, then the next stage in process develops. The Taji Pole/ Central Channel goes into active gear- meaningyou sense it with your Yi and you may start to feel involuntary contractions/Vibrations in your LDT. When the Central Channel coordinates Qi- which is YinYang accumulation- the Middle Tan Tien gets "fed" In Advanced stages, it will start to protrude. Appears almost like a hernia pushing out- but it can be voluntarily controlled to move in and out. I can do this, as mine exceeds approx 1 1/2 inches out- and a deep round pocket inner.

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This was discussed on another thread. You will start to feel the right hand get hot, tingly. Both hands can happen, but primarily the Laogong and Daling points on the Right Hand. Warmth generally expands to heart area sometimes too The heat you feel in LDT will eventually subside once a large accumulation of Yin Yang build in 1:1 ratio. Yin is cooling and the heat is Yang Friction. The cool Qi flow is what we want when we ascend that flow into the Niwan and BaiHui If your lower Tan Tien always stays HOT, then trying to combine that in your Brain would melt it. Think about how hot your LDT can get,. This is the Problem of Kundalini. IT is HOT Fiery magma pouring into your skull. Not Good You will feel pressure at Occipital Points behind skull, and feel pulses along your neck. The Right Vagus nerve feels like a heart beat going into Carotid Artery- Right side.

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Again, the amount of Info I am providing on this is very rare to find anywhere else especially For FREE

Once the Qi is flowing into Third Tan Tien, it is already in Shen process mode via the Middle Tan Tien You will know this because when you discuss or read anything pertaining to spirituality- you will feel the energy dancing on your scalp and front hairline/True 3rd Eye. Also when you put Yi by your LDT immediately that central channel lights up and you feel all 3 Tan Tiens become pressurized and bursting from their containers.

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:39, said: "Symptoms" of a Fully Charged LDT: In My unique case: This Thread needd to be Bumped Up from the Second Page OUR Forum: Kundalini: Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:44 PM http://thetaobums.co...4458-kundalini/ (http://thetaobums.com/topic/34458-kundalini/)


SonOfTheGods Advanced:

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Also- ejaculation will no longer interfere with your Qi surplus


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Whenever I am posting/reading TaoBums, I am in Full Lotus as to assimilate/subliminate the flow

When I laugh, that lower abdominal massage really gets my LDT percolating


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Speaking of ldt.... any chance I could get your opinion on my most recent question in my PPF? Since you know quite a bit about my practice, and about LDTs.... Darn confusing things they are.


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BaguaKicksAss, on 27 Apr 2014 - 15:04, said: Speaking of ldt.... any chance I could get your opinion on my most recent question in my PPF? Since you know quite a bit about my practice, and about LDTs.... Darn confusing things they are. Of course! be right there!

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Uroboros How do you "store" Yin and Yang?

Do they both just gather at the same time? You said in Yin Field that Yin and Yang are always together..if so, is there something specific we need to do to store/ generate each one in a purer form? A fully charged LDT is a big goal of mine!

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Captain Mar-Vell ...

Quote One is real and grown over time, and the other is manufactured- Imitation.

Could you clarify this statement please? I am neither any more artificial, nor any less human, than any man or woman on this planet. God's own truth. XXX ps if you refer to a sensitive subject, just say it is sensitive and I will understand, coff, coff, joe 90, coff.

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Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 28 April 2014 - 09:24 PM. Posted Yesterday, 09:43 AM

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Uroboros, on 28 Apr 2014 - 18:04, said: How do you "store" Yin and Yang? Do they both just gather at the same time? You said in Yin Field that Yin and Yang are always together..if so, is there something specific we need to do to store/ generate each one in a purer form? A fully charged LDT is a big goal of mine! practice, practice, practice. the word wasnt really store. what's gong fu mean? how's your gongfu? energy-time. angular momentum, energetic gradient-potential. it only increases so much per unit of cultivation-time, and we can also intellectually include a qualitative coefficient in that equation also. by practicing and refining, the energies that make up the bodymindspirit come into greater harmony, and more harmonious = streamlined and higher amplitude potential. that's why the utter and complete stillness is so important, it being a direct corollary to cultivated harmonious amplitudes and all. yang does not reach its greatest extent unless fully supported by a strong complimenting yin. so you do the yang meditation bits like ldt breathing or other energy center work or what have you, balanced by the depths you are able to cultivate. its like comparing jumping on the ground vs jumping on a trampoline in a way. 4/30/2014 10:58 AM


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"G.O.D." - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums

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"G.O.D." Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 27 2014 03:47 PM


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Artificial Intelligence/A.I. = is a network of computers (Slaveclass) all linked up to the Mainframe (Master) computer The Artifical Intelliigence is a matrix of the host and all linking computers sharing program data. The more the individual computers are programmed with knowledge, the more "omniscient" the Master programmed computer gets. Each individual computer is only partial programmed with limited data, while only the Master computer experiences/shares (everyone's individual) computer data. However, without the finite limited data of all the computers, the Master is program-less Collectively, "Primordial Consciousness" (G.O.D.) is the sum of the combined/collected Organic consciousness / Mass-Unified Experience/Inputs Upload/DownLoad = Simulation.. We are the reversed-engineered GOD

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AI koans here.... http://www.whatdoyou...er/aikoans.html (http://www.whatdoyouthinkmyfriend.com/Lighter /aikoans.html) Posted Today, 01:34 PM

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http://thetaobums.co...ysticism/page-2 (http://thetaobums.com /topic/31213-christian-mysticism/page-2) SonOfTheGods, on 20 Aug 2013 - 10:33, said: Melchizedek is introduced as the king of Salem, and priest of El Elyon ("God most high"). Genesis 14:18-20 Abram/Abraham makes a covenant with El Elyon, who is NOT Yahweh. In Christianity, according to the Letter to the Hebrews, Jesus Christ is identified as a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek, and so Jesus assumes the role of High Priest once and for all. jeruSALEM So, according to the myth, Jesus is the son of a Canaanite diety. Some scholars provide a theophoric association on the latter part of the name, Ṣedeq ("righteousness") as an epithet of a Canaanite god, translating to "Sedeq is my king/lord" 5/3/2014 1:35 PM


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Therefore, jesus would be a Pagan diety, relating to the Canaanite pantheon. So, in Hermetiic Mysticism, this is one of the Biggest secrets. Below are some scriptures that present my case, further. ___________

"El has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the elohim He holds judgment." Psalm 82:1: "Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength." Psalm 29:1: "For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh," Psalm 89:6: -------------This is based on the traditional Hebrew text, otherwise

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known as the Masoretic text (MT). Now look at a much older version of this text that was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and matches the Greek Septuagint text: "When El Elyon gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance." The older text clearly shows that El Elyon is the father of all the gods, and Yahweh is simply one of his sons. El Elyon divides up the various nations and allocates a portion to Yahweh. The later version of the text simply merged these two gods into a single being. ----------------There are other clues that there were originally multiple gods, take Psalm 82 for example, where Yahweh stands in the council of the gods.

1. Psalm of Asaph. God stands in the council of the gods; he judges among the gods. 2. How long will you judge unjustly, and show preference to the wicked? Selah. 3. Judge the poor and the orphans; do righteousness to the afflicted and dispossessed. 4. Deliver the poor and oppressed; save them from the hand of the evil.

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5. They do not know and they have no understanding; they walk about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6. I said, “You are gods, and children of Elyon, every one of you.” 7. But you will die like mortals, and fall like one of the princes. 8. Rise up, O God, and judge the earth, for you have inherited all the nations.



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SonOfTheGods Special Super Secret Power Elixir! Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 13 2014 01:43 PM Elixir,


SonOfTheGods Not really and pretty inexpensive

1/2 cup of strong black coffee 1/2 of 1 Aspirin 45 minutes before Meditation Then: 20 minutes after consuming the above1/2 teaspoon Sodium Bicarbonate/baking soda- in a warm glass of clean water- to which is added 1 teaspoon of Organic Apple Cider Vinegar "with the Mother in it"- let it bubble up and foam. Once it is finished, drink it Do not do this everytime you Meditate. Use it for when you want that "special one"

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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:43, said: Not really and pretty inexpensive



Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:48, said: SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:43, said: Not really

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and pretty inexpensive


The only part I am iffy about is the aspirin...Took way too much of that stuff years ago. I will give it a go, though! Thanks for sharing, SOTG!

SonOfTheGods

Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:55 PM Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:53, said:

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The only part I am iffy about is the aspirin...Took way too much of that stuff years ago. I will give it a go, though! Thanks for sharing, SOTG! yes minus the aspirin then


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:55, said: yes minus the aspirin then

It will still work? Thats fantastic! Then I will do it with much more vigor!


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:59, said: It will still work? Thats fantastic! Then I will do it with much more vigor! yes it will work "salts" carry ions - electric feeling

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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:01, said: yes it will work "salts" carry ions - electric feeling



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Mixing & Matching= It's All the Same Started by SonOfTheGods, Today, 11:02 AM

Posted Today, 11:02 AM

SonOfTheGods

Various Techniques- can take you, up the mountain, with variables thrown in, to make that "Road" a bit more "Appealing" Traditionalists and Purists may not like this approach, but it is truth. Magickians who were Traditionalists hated Chaos mages, for this reason.

They stripped down all the dogma, and kept only what worked.

Quote Jeet Kune Do: is an eclectic and hybrid martial art system and philosophy of life founded by the martial artist Bruce Lee

Energetics - Kung Fu - Tai Chi - Qi Gong - Nei Gong - Nei Dan = Jin Dan/Golden Elixir/Pill

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These are the Foundations/Basics in any worthy system:

Meditation/Stillness/Unified-Mind=Alpha State Understanding energy Recognize Energy Feel energy Move the energy -and for some, Compress/Condense the energy

Then the "routine" is performed again, with a higher octave of Yi.

Yi/Qi equation All the rest is: tenets, dogma, rules, laws, religion, guide lines, lineage, etc., Some "systems" need a teacher to: administer/shaktipat/transmission the energy = this is one of those "special variables" that make their $$$System more "appealing" = i.e., Get you there faster. However, everything you need you already have within you- it is all internal (arts)- you need nothing external I do not need a set of laws and regulations to teach me how to behave properly.

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Do You?

All "Systems/Protocols" allude to the same thing, just in differing terminology

End result= The initial goal All paths lead up the same mountain How High You Want/Will To Go, Is Up To You: Again: "Then the "routine" is performed again, with a higher octave of Yi".

Look at an Acupuncture Chartthose points are always the same

To the spectator it appears to be random mixing To the skilled practitioner it is Evolving

Some people want to become Immortal- but first, they need to Evolve/Progress into Responsible Adults: "Put Your Yi, Where Your Mouth Is"

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Kundalini Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 12 2014 12:44 PM Kundalini,

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:44 PM A True Kundalini Awakening is a GAME CHANGER! You do NOT PAY $ for this! You are the SUM ACCUMULATION OF MANY LIFE TIMES. Kim Kardashian does not have enough money to have her KUNDALINI RAISED BY ANYONE Smoking some dope and thinking your kundalinijust popped is NONSENSE Getting SHAKTIPAT to have "an Awakening" is BULLSHIT. I DARE any Teacher WORLD WIDE to DEBATE ME. I had A REAL AUTHENTIC KUNDALINI AWAKENING My Life was OVER. OVER! I had to RETIRE I Ceased ALL Interactions with Humanity

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I got Divorced. My Ideologies for the most part flipped, inverted- turned inside out. I was a world class Power Lifter And future MMA Hall Of Famer I WAS FINISHED AFTER THAT "EVENT". TWENTY FIVE 25 YEARS LATER still Flowing POWERFUL! 24/7! If you can still function, normally, in society- still keep your job, old relationships, etc YOU DID NOT HAVE A REAL KUNDALINI AWAKENING!

I was into Magick. Kundalini Road took me into madness and then Qi Work. I "suddenly knew" how to squeeze the floor, sit on my ankle under perineum, how to do red phoenix, yoga assanas- THIS WAS 1990long before the Internet and Kundalini was FASHIONABLE AND TRENDY & MAINSTREAM. Info would be Downloaded into my consciousness at mach speeds Gopi Khishna was the only other dude who I knew did this stuff. Years later, Glenn Morris.

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Now days- even my Neighbor's Cat has "kundalini"

Not every "Kundalini Syndrome" case-- is Kundalini Sorry, but real authentic Kundalini is RARE

SonOfTheGods, on 15 Apr 2014 - 18:40, said: Pranotthana or Kundalini? Swami Santaram Saraswati Director Satyananda Ashram, Spain Recently a large number of books and magazines have been published concerning investigations into the reality of kundalini. Unfortunately, much of what has been written shows only a very preliminary and partial knowledge of the actual awakening process. In many texts, the pranotthana or release of pranic force within the body has been confused with the actual awakening of kundalini. Pranotthana is the first thing that happens as the individual evolves, and it is this release of energy which triggers off the actual awakening of kundalini. Without pranotthana the kundalini is not awakened. There are two ways in which pranotthana can take place. The first is by regular practice of asanas, pranayama, concentration and meditation techniques. Through these practices, the prana is gradually released in the body, starting the preliminary process of purification of organs, glands, nervous system, brain and nadis. The complete purification comes only with the kundalini awakening and rising to the brain. The second way in which pranotthana occurs is by shaktipat,

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the awakening of energy effected by a guru. Shaktipat does not directly awaken kundalini, it only releases the prana of the disciple. However, it is this prana in movement that awakens the kundalini. The time it takes to do so depends on the mental and physical impurities of the disciple as well as on his attitude towards the guru who gave him shaktipat and towards this new process working in him. Whether pranotthana occurs by individual efforts or by the activation of one's prana by a guru, the fact is that this is not kundalini awakening as many people are saying. The confusion perhaps came about because the process which pranotthana affects on the body and mind of the individual is somewhat similar in the beginning to that of kundalini awakening. Some books state that this energy - kundalini - awoke and rose up to the brain, either straight away or after a few times, in many individuals. Nevertheless, these people carried on with their normal lives, apart from an improvement in health and mental clarity. This shows that it was not the kundalini energy that rose to the brain, but the pranic force released by pranotthana. This force follows the same pathways as does kundalini energy. It starts in mooladhara and ascends the spine, purifying the chakras, partially but not completely, until it reaches the brain. This pranic force thus makes it easier for the kundalini purificatory process which will come about at a later time. As the pranic force purifies, it creates automatic body movements, spontaneous asanas, pranayamas, visions of lights, etc. as it encounters inner physiological and psychological blockages. Once pranotthana has finished its initial work of purification, it normally stabilises itself for a time, before it starts dealing with the kundalini energy,. After a time, kundalini awakens. With the kundalini awakening, spontaneous movements, mudras, bandhas, pranayamas, generation of a lot of heat, psychic visions, etc. start occurring. But these are of a

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more intense and deeper nature than those caused by pranotthana. It is now that spontaneous natural meditation occurs and not before. It is now that real purification takes place, and the state of consciousness of the individual radically changes. A higher state of awareness automatically dawns on the individual, and his behaviour, relations with his environment, understanding of things, etc. changes completely. He definitely seems to be a different personality. Powerful changes occur in every field of his physiology and psychology. Automatically, the man starts becoming more subtle and spiritual, or on the other hand, starts behaving like a neurotic. If he still has many blockages - not having purified himself by the practice of asanas, pranayamas, mudras, bandhas, concentration, karma yoga, etc. - the awakening can cause temporary insanity. Such people may spend some time in the mental hospital. These extreme cases occur when inexperienced individuals try to awaken their kundalini energy through unscientific methods, without any preparation. However, when properly initiated and guided by an experienced guru, kundalini awakening is a spiritual rebirth for the aspirant. However, everything does not end here. Awakening of kundalini in itself is not a difficult thing, what is important is the ascending of the energy through the sushumna passage, and this is not easy, truly it isn't. The awakening can be effected by any guru or by your own efforts in yoga, but what then? The ascent through sushumna is clogged with samskaras, physical and psychic impurities. These great barriers are the obstacles which the kundalini energy itself will have to pull down and burn. This process will affect the aspirant in many ways causing great physical transformation, psychic visions, e.s.p. experiences, strange illnesses, unconsciousness, etc. all this depending on the impurities he has on the different levels of his being. But these are only transitory things, which go away as

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they came, leaving a purified awareness. Truly this is the energy of evolution, without which a man will remain ordinary, his latent faculties dormant. Once you have put your foot on this path, you will never want to go back.


SonOfTheGods Full Lotus all the Way! lol


Captain Mar-Vell ... Amen to all a dat SOTG. Sheesh. XXX ...

Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 28 April 2014 - 08:24 PM. Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:55 PM

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Captain Mar-Vell, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:46, said: ... Amen to all a dat SOTG. Sheesh. xxx.

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... Amen-Ra!


theurgy

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:25, said: Full Lotus all the Way! lol

I have always been able to get into full lotus pretty easily but what to do about one's legs going completely numb after 30 mins? I do not enjoy that feeling at all--doesn't seem good for the body, cultivation not withstanding. Any insight?


SonOfTheGods

theurgy, on 27 Apr 2014 - 13:22, said: I have always been able to get into full lotus pretty easily but what to do about one's legs going completely numb after 30 mins? I do not enjoy that feeling at all--doesn't seem good for the body, cultivation not withstanding. Any insight? stretch before full lotus keep Kua opened pelvis tilted/top of head connected "like by a string to ceiling"

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eventually it should subside


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Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 14:24, said: stretch before full lotus keep Kua opened pelvis tilted/top of head connected "like by a string to ceiling" eventually it should subside

Is the pelvis tilted back( tail bone pointed up + stretching ldt region) or down ( sacrum + spine extended + tail bone pointing to earth + ldt region squished) ? How do you open the Kua? Danke

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Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 23:21, said: Is the pelvis tilted back( tail bone pointed up + stretching ldt region) or down ( sacrum + spine extended + tail bone pointing to earth + ldt region squished) ? How do you open the Kua? Danke pelvis tilt= imagine just about to sit down on the edge of a chair that position= tilt of the pelvis kua/hip joints standing practice is easier to open them


joeblast

the main jist of "pelvic tilt" is to bring the lumbosacral junction parallel and into alignment with the gravitational field, i.e. up/straight! "naturally" it tilts forward. so when "the tailbone is tucked" its making this junction (yeah, that's where they removed 40% of my disc there at L5S1) a nice flat surface upon which to stack the rest of the vertebrae. I like stacking up my vertebrae and relaxing while they just sit there of their own accord

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joeblast, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:18, said: the main jist of "pelvic tilt" is to bring the lumbosacral junction parallel and into alignment with the gravitational field, i.e. up/straight! "naturally" it tilts forward. so when "the tailbone is tucked" its making this junction (yeah, that's where they removed 40% of my disc there at L5S1) a nice flat surface upon which to stack the rest of the vertebrae. I like stacking up my vertebrae and relaxing while they just sit there of their own accord L5/S1 fused then? scar tissue builds up painful stuff man yet still, you endure full lotus- all of it my hat off to you dude

Edited by SonOfTheGods, 28 April 2014 - 11:21 AM. Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:45 AM

BaguaKicksAss

Is it just me, or do others get sore ankles when trying to do the full lotus?

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:46 AM PS fuck kundalini, I'm having enough trouble with LDTs and 4/30/2014 11:04 AM


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MCOs LOL.


joeblast

SonOfTheGods, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:20, said: L5/S1 fused then? scar tissue builds up painful stuff man yet still, you endure full lotus- all of it my hat off to you dude nah they only cut me open, took out chunks, and sewed me back up. I still have ~60% of my L5S1 disc. its why I looooove xing shen zhuang, it is the only thing that really solidly keeps my back in gear and alive, that and all my normal stretches and catcows and all that. havent done lotus in a month or two, damaged my right mcl, so I will probably be off lotus until end of summer. I can finally bend it all the way again this past week..

BaguaKicksAss, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:45, said: Is it just me, or do others get sore ankles when trying to do the full lotus? only if hips arent open enough, ankles high enough up on the thigh. bulky adductors and quad makes for a nice little ramp and tends to keep the ankles from bending too much, but really its the fundamental of the hip opening enough.

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Captain Mar-Vell ... fuk kamma

My ankles are alright, it's just my knees that stop me doing full lotus. XXX ...


SonOfTheGods

BaguaKicksAss, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:46, said: PS fuck kundalini, I'm having enough trouble with LDTs and MCOs LOL.

LMAO


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McGong: Magick Meets NeiGong - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums

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McGong: Magick Meets NeiGong Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 23 2014 10:28 AM NeiDan,

Jin Dan,

Magick,


SonOfTheGods

briefly- for another discussion internal external arts Bone breathing- pore breathing your magickal tools are an extension of you held in your hand- your aura permeates the subatomic structure of organic materials oak wand- holding while bone breathing- takes it to another level of *You* just don't get too caught up on using external tools every tool you will ever need you are born with

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McGong! Looking forward to this discussion. SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 10:28, said: just don't get too caught up on using external tools every tool you will ever need you are born with

A great point to apprehend up front. Many get lost in their gizmos.

SonOfTheGods


theurgy, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:26, said: McGong! Looking forward to this discussion.

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theurgy, on 23 Apr 2014 - 12:07, said:

HAHAHAHAHA Drug lord looking ronaldo....good lawd.

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Western Magick Elements Air Fire __________ YANG

Water Earth __________ YIN

Quintessence __________ Yin/Yang FUSION/coalesced


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SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 11:48, said: Western Magick Elements Air Fire __________ YANG

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Tum Mo = Air Fire element working Jen Mo = Earth Water element working TaiJi Pole = Quintessence = Akashic/Spirit working


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 11:51, said: Tum Mo = Air Fire element working Jen Mo = Earth Water element working TaiJi Pole = Quintessence = Akashic/Spirit working

Ahh! By bringing these Vessels to a certain level of harmony/ state we also bring the elements within us into balance/ proper state.... How interesting!

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It truly does blow my mind how we are made. Heck, my mind can barely comprehend.


SonOfTheGods After 3 Tan Tiens are Active +/-

Hair-line Point where sexual organs attach to body L5/S1 Occipital Points _____________ That was a circuit to keep functioning while in Alpha Next: The following is Literal, NOT Figurative: When you can actually see, with eyes Open- a golden yellow large disc (the size of a large dinner plate) in front of your sight: Then, This circuit:

Niwan to Laogong to Bubbling Springs to Niwan to Laogong -

Low/High Magick:

Trace your Sigil

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or Scry with overlap of the golden disc over scrying vessel, or scry through this golden portal (eyes open or closed) or Evoke into golden orb (CAREFUL!) or Ascension of Aethyrs/Planes

You will know if your working is successful due to:

Upon completion of Rite or Signal that Rite is completed or Request/Working is "now in effect" : By the following (1 or all may happen)

"Flux" cord/rod pattern (full- spectrum array) or spark of bright white/shimmering flash of LUX or you will see a Royale Blue Light

SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 11:48, said: Western Magick Elements

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Air Fire __________ YANG



SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 11:51, said: Tum Mo = Air Fire element working Jen Mo = Earth Water element working TaiJi Pole = Quintessence = Akashic/Spirit working


Captain Mar-Vell ... Quote ION COALESCED!

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SOTG IS A FOOKIN' GENIUS!!!

xxx. ...


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Captain Mar-Vell, on 26 Apr 2014 - 15:24, said: ... SOTG IS A FOOKIN' GENIUS!!!

xxx. ... awww schucks lol thanks man


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QuantumGong Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 19 2014 02:15 PM QuantumGong,


SonOfTheGods

As a cultivator, magickian & mad scientist, it is only natural to evolve, this way. After a stint in Radionics and Psychotronics; Then cometh Magick of all thee types and QiGong NeiGong and Neidan ( oh, and Acupuncture and Thine Martial including Marriage

Artistries,

) = wrap it up after 4 decades of research

and practice: And thou art, generally confused

Although, I reached new ground That's ummm, Above Ground/Higher Ground -maybe more later

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SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:15, said: As a cultivator, magickian & mad scientist, it is only natural to evolve, this way. After a stint in Radionics and Psychotronics; Then cometh Magick of all thee types and QiGong NeiGong and Neidan ( oh, and Acupuncture and Thine Martial Artistries, including Marriage

) = wrap it up after 4

decades of research and practice: And thou art, generally confused

Although, I reached new ground That's ummm, Above Ground/Higher Ground -maybe more later

Are you sure the 3 Tan Tiens are IN the body? Positive that there aren't 4 Tan Tiens? or 5? DUAL , BIG ones? Do you have a Paypal account and do YOU want to Bet? /justkidding.. ,,@Betting

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Everything else- I am serious


Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:21 PM SonOfTheGods (http://thetaobums.com/user/109829sonofthegods/) NeiGong Forum

(http://thetaobums.com/user/109829-

sonofthegods/) The Tao Bums 2421 posts Gender:Male

2421 2422 posts- I'm getting close to my dead_line if you have questions, you best ask 'em soon

Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 03:06 PM. Uroboros

Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:27 PM Are the "3" TanTiens in the body? .....What is the body?

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Are the "3" TanTiens in the body? .....What is the body? where limited belief and imposed reality = inter-twine


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:30, said: where limited belief and imposed reality = inter-twine

a combination of belief/filter + program/operating system?


SonOfTheGods

SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:19, said:

Are you sure the 3 Tan Tiens are IN the body? Positive that there aren't 4 Tan Tiens? or 5? DUAL , BIG ones?

Believe it, or not - this is a game changer


Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:48 PM SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:46, said: Believe it, or not - this is a game changer

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Are these TanTiens a combination of the Chakras?


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:49, said: What is this deadline you speak of?

everything has a natural and logical, conclusion you are the only poster actually interacting and exgaging w/dialogue with me- on a daily basis. but there are hundreds of views on some threadsmany many many times more views than actual unique posters LOL so you and I could do this in Email Why should I even bother? eventually (soon) I will get bored and shut it down we can take it to Email I already have an Email List- Lords Of Ziran

originally, another person wanted to start a NeiGong forum- and I mentioned to put one in his PPF (the conversation quotes are archived somewhere around here lol) he went on to other places so I decided to do my own idea

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although I also noted, to him, should the whole idea fail, he could easily delete it all the reason I knew it would fail is because, generally, people would much rather take -without contributing back which is cool but I also have my limits on how much I can be taken advantage of especially doing it all for FREE

This is also the reason why, I will never ACTUALLY take this forum past Beginner/Intermediate level, due to the fact I wouldn't start giving just a couple of people Advanced Lessons then just shut this place down- and leave them hanging doing advanced exercises. A few months later, some one comes strolling in here, and reads and practices the exercises, unattended -because I was already long gone lol they could get injured. Edited by SonOfTheGods, 19 April 2014 - 08:26 PM. SonOfTheGods


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Are these TanTiens a combination of the Chakras? Chakras are everywhere so that's a trick question! heh ________ My Email is on my Profile- I won't leave you stranded, not to worry


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SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 15:04, said: everything has a natural and logical, conclusion you are the only poster actually interacting and exgaging w/dialogue with me- on a daily basis. but there are hundreds of views on some threadsmany many many times more views than actual unique posters LOL so you and I could do this in Email Why should I even bother? eventually (soon) I will get bored and shut it down

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we can take it to Email I already have an Email List- Lords Of Ziran

originally, another person wanted to start a NeiGong forumand I mentioned to put one in his PPF (the conversation quotes are archived somewhere around here lol) he went on to other places so I decided to do my own idea although I also noted, to him, should the whole idea fail, he could easily delete it all the reason I knew it would fail is because, generally, people would much rather take -without contributing back which is cool but I also have my limits on how much I can be taken advantage of especially doing it all for FREE

This is also the reason why, I will never ACTUALLY take this forum past Beginner/Intermediate level, due to the fact I wouldn't start giving just a couple of people Advanced Lessons then just shut this place down- and leave them hanging doing advanced exercises. A few months later, some one comes strolling in here, and

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"Hyper-Kinetic"- Kinesis (Fire) - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums

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The Tao Bums → Back Room → Personal Practice Discussion → SonOfTheGods "Hyper-Kinetic"- Kinesis (Fire) Started by SonOfTheGods, Today, 10:46 AM Pyrokinesis, Pyrokinesis,


SonOfTheGods So I've discovered a secret.

What I am going to say, now- is something I have never heard before, and I read every book and seen every DVD. I have communicated with many "Sifus" out there, as welland most have no clue about Pyrokinesis. Either they don't believe any of this is legitimate,or they don't believe it is useful. Take your pick I am going to be brief, and vague. That will be deliberate. Now all what I am about to say, works for Me. In My own Experience.

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This might not work for You. Orgasm, seems to thin out my energy reserves, but does not dilute it. At times, my energy seems so heavy and thick, it is almost uncontrollable. Uncontrollable = Energy moves me, and I struggle- to move, "it" When that happens, I will orgasm. However, during seminal retention stage, my energy is much cooler, and sometimes- cold. My MCO runs reverse, and I am much more Magnetic.

Orgasm: one hour prior to culivating- and up to approx. 10 days afterward: produces Heat.

So: "Hyper-Kinetic Kinesis (Fire)" Kinetic energy is converted to heat whenever motion with friction occurs. The build up after the release is causing that inner friction which equate In My Experience, to Heat. Within a two week margin, heavy Yang, transmutes into Yoking with Yin, which is Magnetic and cool- to - cold. (I

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have learned to despise that word "Fusion") I use a grounding wire, and sometimes, weather permittingoutdoor cultivation. Orgasm: Flow goes from navel- to LDT, to penis base, runs through testicles, perineum- coccyx- sacral- Mingmen. Mingmen cuts across to LDT, and performs that cycle until friction/Heat. I spoke about "Dissolving Cords" on other threads on My Forum. Then, up to Jade Pillow. Heavy swirl @ Niwan, and BaiHui "enlarges" and creates suction. Engulfs true third eye at the hair line. Whole forehead throbs like liquid. Ricochets to LaoGong and Daling. I do not sense a downward flow of Jen Mo but instead ignites the TaiJi Pole. Palate vibrates- tastes sweet, tongue burns like electric. Throat breathing- vibration- is audible. Two weeks post Orgasm: LDT spins in Reverse- Involuntarily- flow up Jen Mo/down Tum Mo Also Reverse Breathing Involunatrily. Perineum tightens and release on it's own accord- swells out and up- and Mingmen pulses, and kidney area feels like a huge inhale and swelling- like a helium balloon.

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As if it seeks to levitate. My modes incorporate "dual rote patterns"- depending on Orgasm and the allotted time period. I should state, this is Advanced. "Those" who say fire takes a lot of energy out of them- it does. Orgasm consumes Jing, and as it tries to replenish- it is being compromised to produce Fire.

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"Word" Scrying/Visions Demons (McGong Series II) - SonOfTheG...

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The Tao Bums → Back Room → Personal Practice Discussion → SonOfTheGods "Word" Scrying/Visions Demons (McGong Series II) Started by SonOfTheGods, Today, 01:10 PM McGong,

Demons,

Scrying,

Odessa,

magick,

Posted Today, 01:10 PM

SonOfTheGods I went deep last night. Alpha- maybe Theta

I climb (speed of light- maybe faster- mach speeds/interdimenional, etc) up and down the TaiJi Pole- this was an "innate technique" I utilize- like climbing the Tree Of Life- (Serpent and Lightning Path). I spoke about "Alcyone" on another thread. Last night , similar occurance- this time headed out passed Central Sun/Alcyone- onto the "The Greater Sun" As I made my ascension/rising on the planes (magick terminology)- I heard, loud "Odessa" That, was my "word" (another magickal term) If you have been Meditating, NeiGong, Cultivating- for

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"awhile" your third eye is most likely "semi-opened" (which means, it is opened- it gets better with practice) Third eye doesn't just pop open. It is part of the Jing Qi Shen circulation transmutation etc. You don't just pop open your third eye without training the whole bio-energy grid Scrying- can be done, with eyes closed- so whatever visions you are perceiving- can be called "scrying with the eyes closed" People make out "opening the third eye" as some tremendous feat, and thereby attaching all sort of new-agey loopy connotations to it. I started this forum for only ONE reason. I am totally against the mainstream manipulation of Occultism. It should have stayed "Occult/Hidden" But now that it has gone mainstream- many people are getting scared, getting $uckered, and taking it to "ridiculous places".. So, I decided to steer it to a better place. A truthful place.

The only reason I made another thread- is due to the amount of Email I get, in regard to demons.

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Stop You aren't getting demons. Unless you deliberately want them. Demons aren't stalking you, because now "your foot tingles with energy" I guess, in these emails- people have been listening to online radio shows on YouTube (I don't know/I don't care) Demons- are not - EVERYWHERE. Keep your aura tight, your mind semi-clean- and you will be fine. By the time you can produce enough good quality clean energy in a substantial amount to be fed upon- you will ALSO be strong enough to defeat it. (Overcome your demons/psych 101, etc) Enough with the superstitious rhetoric, from worn out left over religious fears.


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Rites: 6 Thunders = POWER UP - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums

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Rites: 6 Thunders = POWER UP Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 17 2014 10:42 AM Thunder,

POWER,

gods,

Quantum Entanglement,

Rite,

Hexagram,

Morphic Resonance,

Internal Alchemy,

Transmutation,

Sublimination,


SonOfTheGods Internal Alchemy

The Quantum exchange = human - Immortals From man - Master Quantum Entanglement Summoning the Thunders Morphic Resonance Transmutation Sublimination WhatIsYourDestiny

(coming soon)

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SonOfTheGods

I did a 5.5 hour deep alpha/theta level trance on the Blood Moon There was some good magnetic disturbance from solar flares and a lunar eclipse I like to piggy back off the multiversal flows Can really feel this days afterward


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 10:42, said: Internal Alchemy The Quantum exchange = human - Immortals From man - Master Quantum Entanglement Summoning the Thunders Morphic Resonance Transmutation

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Sublimination WhatIsYourDestiny

(coming soon)

This all sounds like fascinating topics. Please do delve into them, SOTG. Its all...something we need to understand. Whether or not we like what we find!


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 00:06, said: This all sounds like fascinating topics. Please do delve into them, SOTG. Its all...something we need to understand. Whether or not we like what we find! Some what dangerous - and I am sure the vampires who absorb but do not contribute will go off secretly to critique and criticize so we will see

Uroboros

Posted 18 April 2014 - 06:34 PM SonOfTheGods, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:25, said: Some what dangerous - and I am sure the vampires who absorb

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but do not contribute will go off secretly to critique and criticize so we will see

All of this is somewhat dangerous. Thats the risk we pay to play, so to speak. Im in, though. It is sad that some are not contributing..the potential here is large.


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:34, said: All of this is somewhat dangerous. Thats the risk we pay to play, so to speak. Im in, though. It is sad that some are not contributing..the potential here is large.

1) Some teachers are telling their students to avoid this forum- I would never mention names Free competition here versus paying for theirs 2) Some/many people, just naturally take and never give back and 3) some people might think I am retarded I am OK with all 3

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Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:44, said: 1) Some teachers are telling their students to avoid this forum- I would never mention names Free competition here versus paying for theirs 2) Some/many people, just naturally take and never give back and 3) some people might think I am retarded I am OK with all 3

I can understand teachers not wanting their students to mix systems/ methods...it can change how you develop.. Staying away just to make more money, though...That is not something I agree with. True, some do take and do not give... I dont think you are retarded. Although...I am a strange one myself. Hah! The real test as to whether you are or are not retarded is the fruits from the methods you prescribe + the knowledge you have.

Captain Mar-Vell


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... You are certainly far from retarded. Next to you I am retarded. But I still a bit worried. ...

Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 18 April 2014 - 10:12 PM. Posted 19 April 2014 - 12:34 AM

SonOfTheGods

Captain Mar-Vell, on 18 Apr 2014 - 22:11, said: ... You are certainly far from retarded. Next to you I am retarded. But I still a bit worried. ... don't worry be happy


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Vibrating Palm - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums

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Vibrating Palm Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 19 2014 10:23 AM Vibrating Palm,


SonOfTheGods coming soon

In the mean time: (http://thetaobums.com/index.php?app=core& module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post& attach_id=3263)


Uroboros

In Wild Goose, we shake our hands to not only shake of the sick qi and stagnation, to stimulate and heal the nervous systems and the brain. It has done allot for me in healing the nerve damage I have.....Medical Drugs, man...They will hurt you bad.

SonOfTheGods

Posted 19 April 2014 - 03:27 PM Under the correct process- the right hand will do this on it's own

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volition


OldChi

Had a lot shaking on my hands during my neigong session today. Must of been some stagnant chi still in there. My 2 cents, Peace Edited by OldChi, 19 April 2014 - 04:03 PM. Posted 19 April 2014 - 04:46 PM

SonOfTheGods

OldChi, on 19 Apr 2014 - 16:03, said: Had a lot shaking on my hands during my neigong session today. Must of been some stagnant chi still in there. My 2 cents, Peace could be something else manifesting


joeblast

to begin with, cultivate pressing with intent (not muscle) and go directly there, or, cultivate muscle and work towards intent. either way, you'll need that dt potential

soaring crane

Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:10 PM SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:23, said:

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how exactly are we supposed to understand that???


soaring crane

Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 13:48, said: In Wild Goose, we shake our hands to not only shake of the sick qi and stagnation, to stimulate and heal the nervous systems and the brain. It has done allot for me in healing the nerve damage I have.....Medical Drugs, man...They will hurt you bad.

I attended a pretty intensive Wild Goose workshop a few years ago, found it fantastic and wanted to pursue it, but no opportunities in my location :/


Uroboros

soaring crane, on 21 Apr 2014 - 12:12, said: I attended a pretty intensive Wild Goose workshop a few years ago, found it fantastic and wanted to pursue it, but no opportunities in my location :/

Wild Goose saved my life. Literally. It healed things that nothing else could and gave me the opportunity to figure out how to heal the root.

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Its an amazing system. Truly.

joeblast

Posted 24 April 2014 - 09:59 AM good vibrato on guitar comes from the elbow (now 2+2 that with the things I've said about laogung breathing..

)



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Becoming a ĝod - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums

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Becoming a ĝod Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 12 2014 06:44 PM Immortal,

God,

Wuji,

Troubleshoot,

What Do You Want?,

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:44 PM What is the Recipe, to become a ğod?

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SonOfTheGods

I got a PM from someone yesterday, asking me:

Quote How to progress so that Qi Jing Shen burns and vibrates so hard and so bad- it scares and rocks you

That is the beginning of godhood


SonOfTheGods

How many people do you meet in your daily mundane life- that actually discuss this? Most rather pray to an external diety than become their own HOW ABOUT, YOU?


SonOfTheGods Troubleshooting:

What is the next stage for your development? Want to know?

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Tell us: How long you have been doing "this" What is "This"? Daily schedule? Little piece of your personal history? Age? Sex? Where is your life going? How are your Results? What are you feeling on All levels? Do you want to be an Immortal? Why? From that info we can discuss how to further your own unique cultivation, individualised, for You


Captain Mar-Vell ... Alright man. Gimme a bit more time. ...

MooNiNite

Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:08 PM SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 18:49, said: I got a PM from someone yesterday, asking me:

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That is the beginning of godhood

are you talking about rocking, like your body rocking back and forth when u meditate?


SonOfTheGods

MooNiNite, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:08, said: are you talking about rocking, like your body rocking back and forth when u meditate? I'm not sure what he meant maybe he will answer


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 19:02, said: Troubleshooting: What is the next stage for your development? Want to know? Tell us: How long you have been doing "this" What is "This"? Daily schedule? Little piece of your personal history? Age?

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Sex? Where is your life going? How are your Results? What are you feeling on All levels? Do you want to be an Immortal? Why? From that info we can discuss how to further your own unique cultivation, individualised, for You

I have been training QiGong for nearly 3 years, mainly Wild Goose 1st Form. Occasionally Yin Gong Jin, when my body feels happy about it...Recently, in the last 4 months started training XingYiQuan, training the various breaths with the 5 Element Forms. 2 years ago, started incorporating conscious breathing into my daily life. Over the 3 years, I have nearly every day (give or take a day or two depending on my health state) practiced atleast 20 minutes, on a good day into 1 hour. Born with fragile constitution, whole system dysfunction, making slow consistent progress with QiGong and good supplementation. Feel like I have not found the root of it, though. I love these arts with a passion! Eventually want to be training for 6 hours a day. 23 years of age Male Moving into training these arts full time and traveling the world for awhile.

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My results are health based. my body is much stronger and resilient then it was 3 years ago. My mind is sharper and faster, memory is stickier. I now have bad days, instead of bad months or weeks. I can feel subtle sensations during practicing and in general life, more of my body is shown to me. What am I feeling on all levels? Hmm....Inadequate. What I am doing is helping...it does not feel like its enough. I feel like I need to go deeper...best word to describe it. Deeper. Hmm....Immortality is something I have always felt was attainable and I desire it. There is so much to life that such a short time feels so wasteful...There is also a deep, driving yearning for it I have had since childhood. I want to experience so much of life, to watch as worlds end and begin. Eventually, to potentially be able to do something useful and good in the world with the great experience. To understand the universes workings in deep detain and how to apply. To be ancient. To watch and experience is the core.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 18:56, said: How many people do you meet in your daily mundane life- that actually discuss this? Most rather pray to an external diety than become their own HOW ABOUT, YOU?

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I have chosen the Path of becoming my own god. Of manifesting and integrating my Divinity as fully as possible. How to do that....Working on it! heh


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 18:44, said: What is the Recipe, to become a ğod?

The Trachea/Thyroid is the TaiJi...

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Vagus Nerve/Carotid/Jugular is Yin/Yang.. Spine is beggining of TaiJi How interesting...Not sure what that means yet...Fascinating, though.


idiot_stimpy

I think the idea of thinking you're God can be quite dangerous. The fall can be great. Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:32 AM

MooNiNite

SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:32, said: I'm not sure what he meant maybe he will answer

well there is a point when the energy kinda biulds up in the head and the persons head rocks back and forth,


MooNiNite

after the rocking comes complete stillness i havent gone much further..

...but i doubt that's what he is talking about, that is just a personal experience.

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Edited by MooNiNite, 13 April 2014 - 01:33 AM. Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:33 AM

Uroboros

idiot_stimpy, on 13 Apr 2014 - 01:29, said: I think the idea of thinking you're God can be quite dangerous. The fall can be great.

MooNiNite, on 13 Apr 2014 - 01:32, said: well there is a point when the energy kinda biulds up in the head and the persons head rocks back and forth,

Its funny how people think its natural to think you are not god, unnatural to think you are..... Who decided that?


idiot_stimpy

In my situation, I think it is better to leave that question unanswered. The question being, am I God or am I not God. Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:55 AM


My advice is Ahimsa (absolute non-violence) and Service, Metta and Kompassion. Golden Rule: Do who ye would be done by.

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Becoming a ĝod - Page 2 - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums

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God,

Wuji,

Troubleshoot,

What Do You Want?,

Page 2 of 3 Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:52 AM

SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:54, said: I have been training QiGong for nearly 3 years, mainly Wild Goose 1st Form. Occasionally Yin Gong Jin, when my body feels happy about it...Recently, in the last 4 months started training XingYiQuan, training the various breaths with the 5 Element Forms. 2 years ago, started incorporating conscious breathing into my daily life. Over the 3 years, I have nearly every day (give or take a day or two depending on my health state) practiced atleast 20 minutes, on a good day into 1 hour. Born with fragile constitution, whole system dysfunction, making slow consistent progress with QiGong and good supplementation. Feel like I have not found the root of it, though. I love these arts with a passion! Eventually want to be training for 6 hours a day. 23 years of age Male

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Moving into training these arts full time and traveling the world for awhile. My results are health based. my body is much stronger and resilient then it was 3 years ago. My mind is sharper and faster, memory is stickier. I now have bad days, instead of bad months or weeks. I can feel subtle sensations during practicing and in general life, more of my body is shown to me. What am I feeling on all levels? Hmm....Inadequate. What I am doing is helping...it does not feel like its enough. I feel like I need to go deeper...best word to describe it. Deeper. Hmm....Immortality is something I have always felt was attainable and I desire it. There is so much to life that such a short time feels so wasteful...There is also a deep, driving yearning for it I have had since childhood. I want to experience so much of life, to watch as worlds end and begin. Eventually, to potentially be able to do something useful and good in the world with the great experience. To understand the universes workings in deep detain and how to apply. To be ancient. To watch and experience is the core. Ok I can help you I will post a little later on though Had a rough night cultivating- something going on with my right shoulder and hand and clavicle (suddenly lol)

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idiot_stimpy, on 13 Apr 2014 - 01:29, said: I think the idea of thinking you're God can be quite dangerous. The fall can be great.

only in religious thinking jesus said ye are gods John 10:34 "god" has been trademarked copyrighted and registered lol as if religion took that word and made it theirs people need to define what they mean as "god" that spark within you- that ignites the tan tiens- is "godhood" shen is the road to godhood the immortals- especially the spiritual immortals- are the pavement of the golden brick road to infinity having the victim syndrome, feeling guilty and worthless is what religion wants you to feel captive and useless needing a saviour or redeemer to save pitiful us we are all just worthless slaves NOT FOR ME!

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we are all teachers, while humbly being students = we are gods-inthe-making where on the circle is the beginning and the end? one path one walk someone must be in front we all can't walk through the gates shoulder to shoulder because narrow is the gate


Captain Mar-Vell ... Quote someone must be in front.

Ladies first. Ha ha ha. I want to be left alone, anonymous and humble please everyone k thanks bye. PM me here on the taobums, or speak on an open thread or my ppf if you wish to speak with me. I'm not listening to the radio any more.*

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No sirree. It made me damn paranoid. That and the taobums chat room. I have thrown away all my radios, and shall move very soon. I shall never listen to the radio again. Only to my beloved Guru, Olias! Ha ha ha. Enter the Mind Drive. Yes are the greatest rock band evah! I don't know nuthin' bout no et either, and that's a fact. I'm just a humble writer, yogi and mendicant. But I may continue to serve cha in the taobums chat room. We shall see. God bless us all and protect us. Please, and the Queen of England too. If God exists. Or if he doesn't.

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* Sorry Darren, Al, Alice and all the boyz n gurlz at you know where radio. You are all swell and may ye thrice blessed be. ps I really like dese forums. I stay here a while I tink. ...

Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 13 April 2014 - 10:24 AM. Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:34 AM

SonOfTheGods it's ok bro keep the white cocoon around you hard shell protection you're safe breathe- if you can- do reverse MCO

cooling comforting- takes away anxiety, etc

Captain Mar-Vell, on 13 Apr 2014 - 10:17, said: ... Ladies first. Ha ha ha. I want to be left alone, anonymous and humble please everyone k thanks bye.

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PM me here on the taobums, or speak on an open thread or my ppf if you wish to speak with me. I'm not listening to the radio any more.* No sirree. It made me damn paranoid. That and the taobums chat room. I have thrown away all my radios, and shall move very soon. I shall never listen to the radio again. Only to my beloved Guru, Olias! Ha ha ha. Enter the Mind Drive. Yes are the greatest rock band evah! I don't know nuthin' bout no et either, and that's a fact. I'm just a humble writer, yogi and mendicant. But I may continue to serve cha in the taobums chat room. We shall see. God bless us all and protect us.

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Please, and the Queen of England too. If God exists. Or if he doesn't.

* Sorry Darren, Al, Alice and all the boyz n gurlz at you know where radio. You are all swell and may ye thrice blessed be. ps I really like dese forums. I stay here a while I tink. ...




SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:54, said: I have been training QiGong for nearly 3 years, mainly Wild Goose 1st Form. Occasionally Yin Gong Jin, when my body feels happy about it...Recently, in the last 4 months started training XingYiQuan, training the various breaths with the 5 Element Forms. 2 years ago, started incorporating conscious breathing into my daily life. Over the 3 years, I have nearly every day (give or take a day or two depending on my health state) practiced atleast 20 minutes, on a good day into 1 hour.

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Born with fragile constitution, whole system dysfunction, making slow consistent progress with QiGong and good supplementation. Feel like I have not found the root of it, though. I love these arts with a passion! Eventually want to be training for 6 hours a day. 23 years of age Male Moving into training these arts full time and traveling the world for awhile. My results are health based. my body is much stronger and resilient then it was 3 years ago. My mind is sharper and faster, memory is stickier. I now have bad days, instead of bad months or weeks. I can feel subtle sensations during practicing and in general life, more of my body is shown to me. What am I feeling on all levels? Hmm....Inadequate. What I am doing is helping...it does not feel like its enough. I feel like I need to go deeper...best word to describe it. Deeper. Hmm....Immortality is something I have always felt was attainable and I desire it. There is so much to life that such a short time feels so wasteful...There is also a deep, driving yearning for it I have had since childhood. I want to experience so much of life, to watch as worlds end and begin. Eventually, to potentially be able to do something useful and good in the world with the great experience. To understand the universes workings in deep detain and how to apply. To be

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ancient. To watch and experience is the core.

Ok, so you practice anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour daily- x 3 years your results are good but we can make them improve THIS IS ONLY ADVICE- USE IT OR LOOSE IT- THAT'S UP TO YOU, BUDDY IMO/IME: I would do this, instead:

first- strive for that Full Lotus- yeah it sucks lol- but 1 hour of Full Lotus is more potent than 4 hours of cross legged sitting- so says many masters (& I agree, so add me to that list too, LOL)

now- there's more layers of subcutaneous fat on the lower abdominals as opposed to the upper section fat is energy focus on your lower tan tien breathe into it into nostrils - down into it allow diaphragm to expand and then exhale

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do this a few times Coming next: this is all my personal instruction- most likely never written down by anyone else: I want you to "see" a small solar orb/White Hot Lux descending down in front of your bodyand allow it to drop down right in front of your lower tan tien this appears to be "something similar to" Sol, our Sun inhale and absorb the heat and power and bright blinding light directly into your lower tan tien inhale it straight inside through lower abdominal wallexhale while squeezing the floor as the exhaled energy radiates into your glowing orb inside your body= lower tan tien Do this 25 times- faster each repetiton while doing this- spin forward your lower tan tien even if you can not feel it- it happens Try this and let us know you results


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SonOfTheGods

GrandmasterP, on 13 Apr 2014 - 11:08, said: All respect to anyone who enjoys and can easily sit full lotus. No disrespect intended in saying that it matters not a jot how anyone chooses to sit for meditation. The main thing is to 'sit' .

Chunyi Lin talks about the Full Lotus, as the way energy points are open to the Earth and Heaven with palms and feet up5 points up: Bai Hui, Laogong, and Yong Quan and the bottom of the torso is aligned with Earth, fusing Earth and Heaven energy in the strongest possible way. Perineum is touching the ground, and pelvis tilted slightly while head is suspended by a thread to the sky The Central channel is worked perfectly this way If meditation is not just a hobby, but a dedicated life path- Full Lotus all the way! This isn't just my opinion- read the ancient classics Hindu/Padmasana and Daoist- they all go wth Full Lotus all the way lol



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Quote But, if someone just can't do it then don't hurt yourself lol but at least try everyday a little here a little there

Although- This Forum is for NeiGong - bordering on NeiDan Creating godlikepower on the road to Immortality This isn't stillness movement - there's nothing wrong with stillness movement- it just isn't something we're doing down here This isn't chi kung either If YOU want your body(s) to ACHE from the BURN of QI JIN SHEN - If YOU want YOUR TAN TIENS to GLOW and VIBRATE so HARD - YOU can not take it one more second.. THEN THIS IS THE FORUM FOR YOU But if you think you can accomplish this while sitting in your recliner- IT WON'T BE HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON FOR YOU


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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 10:55, said: Ok, so you practice anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour daily- x 3 years your results are good but we can make them improve THIS IS ONLY ADVICE- USE IT OR LOOSE IT- THAT'S UP TO YOU, BUDDY IMO/IME: I would do this, instead:



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Thanks, SOTG! I appreciate you helping me along the Path. I did 25 reps. My abdoment felt hot. Some of the heat,afterwards, moved into

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my kidneys and made em a little hotter. Its a taxing technique, though. 25 reps is tough. Doing another 25 right after ends up being not as powerful, harder to concentrate.


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:12, said: Thanks, SOTG! I appreciate you helping me along the Path. I did 25 reps. My abdoment felt hot. Some of the heat,afterwards, moved into my kidneys and made em a little hotter. Its a taxing technique, though. 25 reps is tough. Doing another 25 right after ends up being not as powerful, harder to concentrate. awesome dude no need to over do it take your time quality over quantity


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:20, said: awesome dude

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no need to over do it take your time quality over quantity

Is there anything specific I should be looking out for? What is the goal of this practice? Markers for training, man! hah


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:23, said: Is there anything specific I should be looking out for? What is the goal of this practice? Markers for training, man! hah I rather you tell me this way- it isn't put in your head subliminally no placebo


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:25, said: I rather you tell me

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this way- it isn't put in your head subliminally no placebo

Oh my! Placebo!! We dun want that! I shall see what occurs from this practice...Oh, Im gonna go get a harmonica to do the bone breathing one, too! So many goodies here...Like a chocolate store! The neigong fatty in me wants it all!!!!!


SonOfTheGods --that's the stuff I wanna hear! haha

Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:28, said: Oh my! Placebo!! We dun want that! I shall see what occurs from this practice...Oh, Im gonna go get a harmonica to do the bone breathing one, too! So many goodies here...Like a chocolate store! The neigong fatty in me wants it all!!!!!

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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 10:55, said: Ok, so you practice anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour daily- x 3 years your results are good but we can make them improve THIS IS ONLY ADVICE- USE IT OR LOOSE IT- THAT'S UP TO YOU, BUDDY IMO/IME: I would do this, instead:



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Do you have a another way to go about this that does not require visualization? I am not a huge fan of visualizing things, it is so easy to think something real is being done when its just illusion.... Visualizing colors is something I am ok with, though. I prefer body manipulation, awareness/ feeling + breathing.

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Thanks, SOTG Peace

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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 18:46, said: Do you have a another way to go about this that does not require visualization? I am not a huge fan of visualizing things, it is so easy to think something real is being done when its just illusion.... Visualizing colors is something I am ok with, though. I prefer body manipulation, awareness/ feeling + breathing. Thanks, SOTG Peace just use standard breathing techniques for now

Uroboros

Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:01 PM SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:56, said: just use standard breathing techniques for now

Do you mean just use NAB along with the visualization?

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I have been some of the MCO you posted and I feel allot more heat in my LDT area....Mixing the MCO with spiral plus red ball in LDT , woo! Its nice.


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 20:01, said: Do you mean just use NAB along with the visualization? I have been some of the MCO you posted and I feel allot more heat in my LDT area....Mixing the MCO with spiral plus red ball in LDT , woo! Its nice.


SonOfTheGods

SonOfTheGods, on 01 Aug 2013 - 11:06, said: Circulating Qi, Kundalini awakening, and moving energy in general, moves you to the top of the food chain in the astral realms, where energy moves in lucid, liquid tides. The practitioner is consciously moving their energy to various locations across their body, via metaphysical meridians that do not actually exist in the physical realm. These meridians have physical counterparts, however, but the meridians, nadis, themselves, are mapped out in a realm that is not limited by time and space. Breaching physical laws, and moving these flows of etheric tides, and consciously attaching awareness to them, is what

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powers you up. Jing, shen, prana, chi - this is power, transformation, streaming across dimensions and coloured by intent. Someone who is working this, and then, masturbating, utilizing visuals, porn, imagination, is creating a web of energy, thoughtforms and streams/cords all over the place. If, for instance, you are using a porn movie, and watching it several times, you are actually strengthening these cords. With power really does come responsibility. Pumping, building energy, aiming, and releasing a cord of energy. That's masturbation. That's also a magick ritual. These are very real laws. If you are popping your root or sacral chakra, and bleeding the energy in form of sexual arousal, while checking out your neighbor's wife, she will feel this intuitively, somewhere in her being. Religious myths tell parables of, if you think it, you did it. We can feign ignorance by replacing it with innocence, but if you are preparing a body for godhood, you are responsible for the Frankenstein light body you have created. In the astrals, if you could view these aura shifts, you would see the mess you have created.

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A web of energy, some strong, some bleeding, some backwashing. Remember, time and space is breached by these energies. I started discussing this here: http://thetaobums.co...-and-sex/page-3 (http://thetaobums.com/topic/30582-movements-duringorgasm-and-sex/page-3) "As the myths of old, sex unites as one flesh. The performers, viewers, create a web of etheric cords. Not judging anyone, just a thought. Kundalini is strong energy, using those lower chakras/Dan Tien, etc, radiates interdimensionally at the viewed target/recipiant. Coloured by intent/emotion/enchantment/lust, empowers it." "Chaos magick, has a law, that magickians create a sigil, and although unknown to the casual spectator, will empower it for the mage's own personal use. Display this sigil on a T-shirt and stroll through the mall one Saturday afternoon. This will charge that sigil just as well as a coven of witches can raise a cone of power."

http://thetaobums.co...-making-a-mess/ (http://thetaobums.com /topic/30856-celestial-pimping-you-might-be-making-a-mess/)

SonOfTheGods, on 01 Aug 2013 - 11:36, said: Also, wanted to add onto this discourse of, Celestial Pimping

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It should be noted, that PK, Psychokinesis, is the force behind poltergeist hauntings. PK is usually emitted from a teenage occupant, related to the haunting, that is entering Puberty. Hormones, have etheric counterparts, and when coloured by emotion, can produce PK.. Sperm, gives life, to "something"

I am not judging, but I know some people are having problems with this subject. Maybe in this light, it might bring you into a deeper understanding.

If we follow the occult logic behind my posts in this thread, an image while masturbating would be akin to etheric/RV stalking, trespassing and rape., unless it is user consentual

It is no different than an Incubus

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I was going to name this The TaoBums NeiGong Forum, but decided probably not a good idea Just so not to confuse people in thinking it was another forum.

I want to try and stay on Topic. I don't want any bad talking about other members, other ex-members, other forums, etc. None of that pertains to NeiGong.

There will some basic and some advanced info her. Some of it many people never heard of. __________________



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1. The jen mo channel rises from the perineum and goes up along the belly, passes through the navel, the pit of the stomach, the chest, throat and upper lip and ends below the eye; it connects twenty-seven psychic centres. The tu mo channel rises from the perineum and passes through the coccyx to go up the backbone to the crown and thence descends along the forehead and nose, ending in the gums; it connects thirty-one psychic centres 2. As contrasted with twenty-four organic channels according to ancient medical science. 3. Ch'ung mo, or the 'bursting' channel, rises from the perineum, goes up between jen mo and tu mo and ends in the chest; it connects twenty-four psychic centres. 4. Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt which circles the belly; it connects eight psychic centres 5. Yang ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole and turns along the outer side of the ankle and leg, then skirts the back of the body and reaches the shoulder, veering to the neck, the corner of the mouth and the inner comer of the eye, ending behind the brain; it connects twenty-two psychic centres.

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6. Yin ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole, turns along the inner side of the ankle and leg, skirts the belly and chest, reaches the shoulder, turns up to the throat and ends in the inner corner of the eye; it connects eight psychic centres. 7. Yang wei rises from the outer side of the foot about one and half inches below the ankle, goes up the outer side of the leg and after skirting the back of the body, enters the upper arm, halfway along which it veers to the shoulder, the neck, and then behind the ear ending in the forehead ; it connects thirty-two psychic centres. 8. Yin wei rises from the inner side of the calf, about five inches above the ankle, goes up the inner side of the thigh, and after skirting the belly and half of the chest, turns to the throat, ascends along the face and ends in front of the top of the head; it connects fourteen psychic centres.


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SonOfTheGods, on 08 Apr 2014 - 21:04, said: 1. The jen mo channel rises from the perineum and goes up along the belly, passes through the navel, the pit of the stomach, the chest,

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throat and upper lip and ends below the eye; it connects twenty-seven psychic centres. The tu mo channel rises from the perineum and passes through the coccyx to go up the backbone to the crown and thence descends along the forehead and nose, ending in the gums; it connects thirty-one psychic centres 2. As contrasted with twenty-four organic channels according to ancient medical science. 3. Ch'ung mo, or the 'bursting' channel, rises from the perineum, goes up between jen mo and tu mo and ends in the chest; it connects twenty-four psychic centres. 4. Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt which circles the belly; it connects eight psychic centres 5. Yang ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole and turns along the outer side of the ankle and leg, then skirts the back of the body and reaches the shoulder, veering to the neck, the corner of the mouth and the inner comer of the eye, ending behind the brain; it connects twenty-two psychic centres. 6. Yin ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole, turns along the inner side of the

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ankle and leg, skirts the belly and chest, reaches the shoulder, turns up to the throat and ends in the inner corner of the eye; it connects eight psychic centres. 7. Yang wei rises from the outer side of the foot about one and half inches below the ankle, goes up the outer side of the leg and after skirting the back of the body, enters the upper arm, halfway along which it veers to the shoulder, the neck, and then behind the ear ending in the forehead ; it connects thirty-two psychic centres. 8. Yin wei rises from the inner side of the calf, about five inches above the ankle, goes up the inner side of the thigh, and after skirting the belly and half of the chest, turns to the throat, ascends along the face and ends in front of the top of the head; it connects fourteen psychic centres.

wow cool. i will incorporate this. a picture would be cool. i might have seen one..

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SonOfTheGods We can go hardcore here!

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MooNiNite, on 08 Apr 2014 - 21:27, said: wow cool. i will incorporate this. Once you know where all the key and tertiary meridians are, the rest comes with general practice


SonOfTheGods

We will discuss if the Elixir Field = Tan Tien- is an actual physical location or "visualised" - OR both. And if those cords that hold it together are real and how to cut them


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SonOfTheGods, on 08 Apr 2014 - 21:31, said: We will discuss if the Elixir Field = Tan Tien- is an actual physical location or "visualised" - OR both. And if those cords that hold it together are real and how to cut them Imo the three dan tiens are not just physical locations. They are probably similar to spiritual body like the stomach, heart, and brain are to the physical body. Edited by KenBrace, 08 April 2014 - 10:15 PM. Wu Ming Jen


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HARNESS THE POWER OF ONE OF THE OLDEST AND MOST SECRETIVE ANCIENT CHINESE ‘INTERNAL’ MARTIAL ARTS TO BUILD AND RELEASE BOUNDLESS ENERGY, ATTAIN VIBRANT HEALTH, AND DRAMATICALLY SLOW YOUR AGING PROCESS! For centuries Wudang neigong was the most closely guarded secrets in all of ancient China… handed down to just a select few for each generation. So powerful are these internal energy secrets, for centuries the discovery of their unauthorized teaching was a death sentence. Today the internet which has laid bare most everything formerly hidden from sight has capitalized by offering parts and pieces of neigong available in book or dvd form. Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:21 AM

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I made a simple Banner for Signature Took me a few minutes to make it

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Nothing fancy but says it all


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MooNiNite, on 08 Apr 2014 - 21:27, said: wow cool. i will incorporate this. a picture would be cool. i might have seen one.. the thing with pictures is that everyone has a slightly different location Tan Tien locations depend on geographical locations Those who live closer to the Earth's equator have their LDT lower in the abdominal region so to mark actual locations = longitude and latitude meridians of a human body can be misleading


SonOfTheGods

Last few weeks I have been training about 6 hours daily- my new life and schedule adjustments allow me to do such

I'm a hermit now

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So over the past 40 years I would estimate I had approx. 400 students- that's including magickal as well as enochian studies ____________ I will be listing a Bibliography once I can access my flash drive


MooNiNite

SonOfTheGods, on 09 Apr 2014 - 11:24, said: the thing with pictures is that everyone has a slightly different location Tan Tien locations depend on geographical locations Those who live closer to the Earth's equator have their LDT lower in the abdominal region so to mark actual locations = longitude and latitude meridians of a human body can be misleading

yes, i read dragons gate too.

tendou

Posted 09 April 2014 - 06:48 PM 6 hours straight or in a few session?

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 06:52 PM tendou, on 09 Apr 2014 - 18:48, said: 6 hours straight or in a few session?

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No not straight 2 or 3 sessions


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Pho Wa is a Tantric practice for opening the Aperture of Brahma on the crown of the head, through which the consciousness leaves the human body for rebirth in the Pure Land. Daoists employ a different technique which consists in putting the energized vital principle into microcosmic orbits MCO -so that consciousness can leave the body through the same opening in the crown. This controlled death is important for the rebirth cycle. MCO practice is essential to escape from the rebirth wheel Visualizing in the body a blue psychic tube which is red inside and stretched from the crown of the head to the perineum. Within this tube in the lower belly below the navel was a bright pearl which rose up to the heart center. Sounds similar to g'Tummo

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Crunching and crackling sounds and feelings in the skull and sinus cavity is common if you get this correct

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I have an email list called -Lords Of Ziran some of you may have read about it in my past PPF Anyway, I have some info from it, that I will add here periodically / eventually

I've been doing a lot of practice and cultivating lately

The weather is warmer so doing much in Nature, streams, hiking Lots of strong energy by running streams = negative ions = Yi


iradie

Beautiful to be able to train 6 hours a day. You must be making a lot of progress. I would like to do so part of the year.Needs organisation.

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iradie, on 10 Apr 2014 - 11:45, said: Beautiful to be able to train 6 hours a day. You must be making a lot of progress. I would like to do so part of the year.Needs organisation. We don't own a TV Time is a precious commodity. People do not realise how wasteful they have become with this limited resource.


iradie

Thanks to Wu Ming Jen posting the Wudang Neidan Gong.

Wu Ming Jen, on 08 Apr 2014 - 22:32, said:

Today the internet which has laid bare most everything formerly hidden from sight has capitalized by offering parts and pieces of neigong available in book or dvd form.

You are right : a lot is accessible which was not, and the videos can be of great help, but I believe there is still a lot hidden, also because it cannot be seen with the eyes. Or to see it you must have another quality of sight. I just think that if I had looked at this video 10 years ago I would not have seen the same as today, And there is a lot I do not see today because I have not understood it.

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SonOfTheGods TaoBums Interviews:

Interview with Chunyi Lin of Spring Forest Qigong http://thetaobums.co...-forest-qigong/ (http://thetaobums.com /topic/16067-interview-with-chunyi-lin-of-spring-forest-qigong/) The Tao Bums Interview with Bruce Frantzis - March 2011 http://thetaobums.co...zis-march-2011/ (http://thetaobums.com /topic/17794-the-tao-bums-interview-with-bruce-frantzis-march2011/) Taobums Q&A with Kosta Danaos http://thetaobums.co...h-kosta-danaos/ (http://thetaobums.com /topic/21094-taobums-qa-with-kosta-danaos/)


SonOfTheGods

I removed the No Trolling red warnings because I want this forum to be fun

All the over-trolling will just be moved to The Pit: Here (http://thetaobums.com/topic/34439-off-topic-the-pit-kangaroochi-kung/)

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THE MICROCOSMIC ORBIT TECHNIQUE Secrets of Chinese Meditation Charles Luk First stop your thinking (process). After regulating body and mind, sit facing east, with crossed legs. Adjust your inhalation and exhalation, and place the right hand upon the left one, drawing them close to the lower belly below the navel. Then knock the lower teeth against the upper ones thirty-six times to stabilize both body and spirit. Let the red dragon stir the

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sea thirty-six times,^ directing your (closed) eyes to follow its movements. Now let the tongue touch the palate. Calm your mind and count your breath three hundred and sixty times. When your mouth is full of divine water, rinse it a few times and then practise the four acts^ by drawing up the anus to ensure (for the vital principle) free passage in the jen mo channel through the coccyx and the middle gate (between the loins) and then along the spine up which it moves faster. Close your eyes, turn thein up and breathe in slowly through the nose without expiring, until the piSê pillow (i.e. the back of the head) is pierced through. Then (the vital principle), as if being forcibly pushed up by the faculty of seeing, rises up the (central channel), circles the Kunlun peak (the top of the head), and descends to the magpie's bridge (the tongue). Now swallow one third of your sahva which should follow (the vital principle) down to the Bright Palace (the heart) before returning to the ocean of prana (the lower belly). Pause for a moment and repeat the same exercise for a second and third time to make three circuits in all. This is called the reverse flowing of the Heavenly Current. Rest for a httle and, with your hands, rub the lower belly one hundred

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and eighty times. When taking the hands away, put a warm cloth over the navel and lower belly in order not to expose them to cold air. (The^cients said: 'The secret of immortality Ues in the preservation of the heat in the Field of the Elixir (in the lower belly).') Then, chafe the backs of the thumbs against each other until they are hot and, with them, rub the eyes fourteen times to quench the 'fire' in the heart, the nose thirty-six times to refresh the lungs, the ears fourteen times to invigorate the kidneys and the face fourteen times to strengthen the spleen. Close the ears with (the palms of) your hands and beat the heavenly drum.^ Then raise your hands slowly over your head, bringing the two palms together* as if to salute the Heavens. Do all this three times and slowly breathe out impure air, inspiring fresh air, four to five times. Then (with crossed arms) hold the shoulders with your hands, shaking them a few times to invigorate your nerves and bones. Conclude by rubbing the jade pillow (the back of the head) twenty-four times, the small of the back i8o times and the middles of the soles 18o times. 1. The red dragon is the tongue; roll it round your mouth thirty-six times to

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make saliva flow, thereby reducing the scorching effect of the heat of rising praqa. A quicker way is to roll the tongue back as far as possible. 2. The four acts consist of (a) drawing up, (

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closing and (d) inhaling. Drawing up the anus is to promote free passage of prana through the coccyx; touching the palate with the tongue is to make a bridge connecting the psychic centres in the h?ad with those in the neck and the chest; closing the eyes to look up is to control the mind and to push up the prana; and inhaling without exhaling is to avoid dissipation of the vital energy. 3. Place the palms of the hands on the ears, press the second fmgers on the back of the head with the first fingers and snap the latter against the bones above the ears to make sharp sounds. 4. To connect the currents of pra

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From Li Zhongzi, A Primer of Medical Objectives (Yizong Bidu), 1637: The Classic states: 'Whenever we treat a disease, we must approach it at the base.' Base here means root or source. Every stream on earth has a source, and every plant has a root. If all murky sediments settle at the source, the downstream waters will

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naturally be clear and fresh, and if we water a root, it will grow and branches will sprout; these are the laws of nature. The experienced physician, therefore, will always consider the source. However, the body's source is differentiated into a prenatal and a postnatal aspect. The prenatal source is the kidney; the kidney is associated with the direction north and the phase element water-water being the first offspring, in Taoism, of heavenly Oneness. The postnatal source of the body is the spleen; the spleen is known as the Central Palace and associated with the phase element earth-earth being the mother of every living thing. From Zhuang Yuanchen, Shujuzi: Inner Chapters (Shujuzi Neipian), Ming Dynasty: The kidney is the ocean of the human body. Since oceans are situated on a lower level than the earth's streams and rivers, they draw every one of them to form one large body of water. Oceans may appear vast and inexhaustible, yet they still drain off some of their seemingly unlimited supply. One way of drainage is called 'going to ruins,' meaning the water drains down into the earth from where it will not return. The other way of drainage is called 'dwelling with the stars,' meaning the water steams toward the sky and later rains down to earth again, where it dissipates into rivers and streams and eventually returns to the ocean. This is the water that circulates between heaven and earth, always striving to keep an equilibrium between the extreme states of drought and flooding. In the context of the human body only the kidney can be compared to the workings of this natural cycle. All the essences and fluids of the body's various pathways pour into the kidney. After the kidney has assembled the essential fluids of the body's vessels, it also experiences two ways of drainage: one way is through the sexual urge which draws the essence downward to the sexual centers; once it exits from here it cannot come back into the system, so this is just like the ocean "going to ruins." The other way is the upward

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dispersal by way of the suctioning affect of true qi, which draws the body's combined essences all the way up to the flower pond (mouth); from here it moves down through the throat into the stomach, lubricating the five organ networks, nourishing all of the body's pathways, and finally returning to the kidney. This is the microcosmic process of ascending and descending that can be compared to the ocean 'dwelling with the stars.' Those who are knowledgeable in the art of nourishing life take care to shut off the lower exit [of jing via ejaculation] while striving to keep the upper pathway [of jing, nourishing the organs and brain] open and unobstructed. In this fashion, there will be a nourishing cycle that is free of leaks. Physical vitality (jing) and mental clarity (shen) will be abundant, nutritive qi (ying) and protective qi (wei) will be strong, inside (water essence) will be sufficient to control fire, and outside (qi) will be sufficient to ward off noxious influences. This is what the art of expelling disease and the art of longevity is all about. From Zhang Huang, A Compendium of Illustrated Texts (Tushu Bian), Ming Dynasty: In relation to the other organ networks, the kidney is situated in the lowest position. It is associated with the phase element water, and it is in charge of storing essence (jing). Just like water was the first substance to emerge from heavenly oneness, the kidney is the source of the human body, the initial sprout of physical life. Everything between heaven and earth that is made from qi and blood has the urge to mate. Once fire and water separate and desire finds a match, the essence leaves the source, and what creates the body will turn into what kills the body. If you are a student of the Book of Change (Yijing) and align your desires by fooling around with the lofty hexagram 41 [Sacrifice, Decrease], then this is like being worried about floods at one moment and about water leakage the next-you 'sacrifice' again and again, thus using yourself up until there is nothing left to spare. Therefore, if

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you want to protect your source of longevity, there is no better way than to guard yourself against sexual desires. From Sun Yikuei, Contemplations On Unexplored Medical Topics (Yizhi Xuyu), 1584: In the Simple Questions (Suwen) section of the Neijing it is stated: 'The kidney stores the qi of the bones and the marrow.' At another place it says: 'The black color associated with the direction north corresponds directly with the kidney; its corresponding orifices in the body are the two yin (the genitals and the anus), and its essence is stored in the kidney.' The Nanjing (Classic of Difficulties) further explains: 'This is where males store their essence.' This line does not mean that all of the essence is stored right there; the brain is also called the sea of marrow, and the kidney connects with the brain via the spine. Master Shengsheng once said: 'Chapter 36 of the Nanjing states that there are really two kidneys, namely the left one being the actual kidney, while the right one is mingmen, the gate of life. It is this mingmen that is the seat of all physical (jing) and mental (shen) essences, and it is here that essence is stored in males, and from where the uterus branches off in females. Thus, we speak of two kidneys. Just as is said in chapter 39 of the Nanjing: 'The fact that six fu organs are paired with five zang organs means that the kidney really represents two organ systems, namely the left one being the kidney, and the right one being mingmen. And mingmen, that is the abode of jing and shen. This is where male essence is stored and where the female uterus is attached; its qi is on the same wavelength with the kidney.'' A detailed examination of both sections of the Neijing does not yield any references to a differentiation of the kidney network into two distinct parts. It was the author of the Nanjing who first made this distinction. Does this mean that the entity which the Nanjing author calls mingmen-the abode of jing and shen, the seat of the original qi, the place where males store essence and

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females have their uterus-is nothing but idle talk? I say we have to take this theory seriously, since it appropriately places extra weight on the kidney network by emphasizing that the original qi which lodges in the kidney is the source of our life force. The Central Junction Classic (Huangting Jing) states: 'The kidney qi regulates the upper burner, nourishes the middle burner, and protects the lower burner.' The Collection of Central Harmony (Zhonghe Ji) states: 'Breathing through the process of opening and closing-that is what happens at the gorge of mystery (mingmen), the root of heaven and earth.' Opening and closing here does not refer to the regular action of inhaling and exhaling through the nose or mouth, but to what is called the true breath. The author of the Nanjing also said: 'The igniting spark between the kidneys (shenjian dongqi) is the origin of the various processes of human life, the base of the body's five zang and six fu organs, the root of the twelve channel pathways, the door of breath, and the source of the triple burner.' Precisely this is what the concept of mingmen is all about. It is what the Confucians refer to with their Taiji image, and what the Taoists call the gorge of mysterious origination. If we take a close look at a bronze acupuncture statue we can easily find out that the point mingmen is not located on top of the right kidney, but right between both kidneys. This certainly proves my point. From Chen Shiduo, A Secret Manual from the Stone Chamber (Shishi Milu), ca. 1690: As has already laid out in detail in the Nanjing, mingmen is the master of the twelve channel networks. But even though many texts have since been written about this subject, the quintessence of mingmen still remains in the dark. Therefore I chose to bring up this topic one more time. It is always said that mingmen is the master of the twelve channel networks. Now, what kind of master is it exactly and what does it master? Let me put it this way: if there is no fire inside us, we

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cannot exist. This fire must be there first so that the twelve channel networks can be imbued with the igniting spark of transformation. mingmen, therefore, is a type of prenatal fire. This fire is immaterial and dwells in water. On earth, material fire is being quenched by water. Immaterial water, on the contrary, has the ability to generate fire. Therefore, when we say that "fire is being quenched by water" we refer to material water; when we say that "fire is being fueled by water" we refer to immaterial water. And it so happens that immaterial fire can generate immaterial water, meaning that fire is not contained within fire, but within water. Mingmen fire, is yang fire-a yang that is embedded within two yin. In the microcosmic context of the human body, mingmen is generated first, and only then the heart. Does this fact not illuminate the importance of mingmen? When the heart procures the power of mingmen, consciousness is in command, and we can relate to the outside world. When the liver procures the power of mingmen, it can plan. When the gallbladder procures the power of mingmen, it can make decisions. When the stomach procures the power of mingmen, it can absorb food. When the spleen procures the power of mingmen, it can transport. When the lung procures the power of mingmen, it can fulfill its administrating and regulating functions. When the large intestine procures the power of mingmen, it can pass on the waste. When the small intestine procures the power of mingmen, it can disseminate. When the kidney procures the power of mingmen, it can bring about physical vigor. When the triple burner procures the power of mingmen, it can keep the body's water pathways unobstructed. When the bladder procures the power of mingmen, it can store. In other words, there is not a single one among the organ networks that does not rely on the mingmen fire for warmth and nourishment. This type of fire should be tonified rather than purged. This is

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done by tonifying fire within water, and especially by tonifying water within fire. In this fashion, fire can be fueled by water and at the same time be stored within water. If we just use cold or cool herbs to attack the mingmen fire, it will become weak, and how could it then nourish the twelve channel networks? This is what is really meant by the Neijing statement 'when the master is dim, the twelve officials are all in a state of crisis.' Doesn't that strongly emphasize the importance of mingmen? From Tang Zonghai, A Refined Interpretation of the Medical Classics (Yijing Jingyi), Qing Dynasty: The root of the triple burner is in the kidney, more precisely right between the two anatomical kidneys. Right there is a greasy membrane that is connected with the spine. It is called mingmen, and constitutes the source of the three burners. From Zhang Shanlei, A Revised Edition of Master Zhang's Treatise on the Organ Networks (Zhang Shi Zangfu Yaoshi Buzheng), ca. 1918: The triple burner is really a name for the function of the body's ministerial fire. It is the process of disseminating original qi from mingmen, which is in charge of ascending and descending, and absorbing and excreting. It roams in between the heaven and earth of the body's landscape, and commands all bodily qi-the qi of the five zang and the six fu organs, the protective qi (wei) and the nutritive qi (ying), the qi in the channels and collaterals, and the qi on the top, the bottom, the left, and the right. Its unofficial name is therefore the central store house of clear qi. The upper part is in charge of absorbing, the middle part is in charge of transforming, and the lower part is in charge of excreting. From Sun Yikui, Mysterious Pearls of Wisdom (Chi Shui Xuan Zhu), 1584: The so called triple burner is embedded in the greasy membrane of the diaphragm, that is the hollow space between the five

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zang/six fu organs and the connective pathway through which food and grain must pass. The qi of the triple burner is contained and active within this space, steaming the diaphragm, reaching out to the skin, differentiating the flesh, and setting everything around it in motion. The regions that it reaches are labeled according to their location, that is why we speak of the upper burner, the middle burner, and the lower burner. Although the triple burner does not have any structural reality to it, it has a distinct location that is determined by the structural entities surrounding it. From Shen Jin'ao, Illuminating Lantern on the Origins of Complex Diseases (Zabing Yuanliu Xizhu), 18th century: What we call the triple burner is actually the corridor above and below the stomach. The triple burner and its associated regions thus entirely belong to the stomach, and what it oversees is primarily the functioning of the stomach. The triple burner qi is utilized to ferment and cook the food. Together with the stomach, the triple burner is located in front of the taiyin spleen network-a place that the roaming ministerial fire calls home. The term "burner," therefore, refers to the triple burner's function of cooking everything. From Li Dongyuan, Illuminating the Science of Medicine (Yixue Faming), 13th century: The triple burner is an entity that has a name but no structural form. It is in charge of all bodily qi, and it is a functional manifestation of the three treasures [jing, qi, shen]. All of the body's physiological movements, its unobstructed ins and outs and ups and downs, therefore, rely on the triple burner-the process of breathing in and breathing out, the ascending and descending motion of qi, and the absorption and excretion of food and water. The upper burner is located underneath the heart; it is in charge of storing without draining. The middle burner is in the center of the epigastric region; it is in charge of fermenting and

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cooking food and water. The lower burner is beneath the umbilicus; it is in charge of differentiating the clear from the turbid, and it drains without storing. The driving source behind all three of these functions, however, is the middle burner. From Chen Nianzu, The Three Character Classic of Medicine (Yixue Sanzi Jing), Qing Dynasty: The term triple burner refers to the qi that circulates in the upper, middle, and lower burners. Burner means heat. Only when the entire body cavity is permeated with hot qi can the body's water ways be open and regulated. The triple burner is the fu organ that forms a zang/fu pair with the pericardium, and thus belongs to the phase element fire. In other words, if the heating qualities of the upper burner are out of control, water will assault the upper plains of the body. If the middle burner is out of control, water will stagnate in the epigastric region. If the lower burner is out of control, water will disturb bowel movements and urination. On the other hand, if the triple burner qi is healthy and in control, the body's channels and collaterals will be open and its water ways will be disinhibited. It is for this reason that the triple burner is called the official in charge of uninhibited water flow.

Jing is the Chinese designation for the essential fluid of our physical body. The archaic Chinese character for jing denoted the most refined essence obtained from rice (which is the main staple of the Oriental diet, so this means the refined essence from food). The basic yin (matter) from which all yang (physical action) springs is jing. In classical Chinese medical texts, jing is sometimes referred to as the body's "original water" with water representing the ultimate yin ("original fire" being the ultimate yang). Water has a tendency to drain downward. The kidney, the lowest of the organ networks, is where the body's water assembles and

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goes into storage until needed elsewhere. If the kidney function is weak, its storage capability will become inhibited and jing will leak from the body. Due to the Daoist belief that the jing is lost when a man excretes semen (of particular concern, when an elderly man, who already had deficiency of jing through aging, excretes semen), virtually all of the ancient medical texts mention spermatorrhea (a code for release during the disallowed practice of masturbation, wet dreams, and ejaculation during intercourse when the attempt is being made to prevent it) as a condition to be treated, since it indicates a breach of the kidney's function of safeguarding and storing jing. According to the Daoist ideal, except during early adulthood, men should refrain from releasing semen, or, at the very least, experience this infrequently. Therefore, excessive sexual indulgence by males is considered to be a major health hazard in all genres of traditional Chinese writing. Since most men cannot control their urge to ejaculate, every intercourse means an irrevocable giving away of jing. Although Chinese medical texts consent that this may be affordable for young men (who have a rich supply of jing and who can easily replenish jing through post-natal sources), they generally warn that the health of elderly males will suffer serious consequences from frequent ejaculations. "What gives life will take life" is therefore a common admonition that spans two thousand years of Chinese medical literature. While most Daoist and medical writings take up both the general topic and the detailed techniques of safeguarding jing, it is the realm of literature which best reflects the Chinese fear of continuous jing loss by way of sexual indulgence. The epic Ming Dynasty novel, Flower In the Golden Vase (Jin Ping Mei), narrates the story of the erotomaniac Ximen Qing who peddles his money and political influence to assemble a harem of six women, then resorts to tonic drugs to bolster his flagging virility, and finally comes to a horrid end after a final ejaculation of

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"mercury-like fluid, followed by blood and a gust of cold air." A Daoist physician who is called to the deathbed comments: "The candle flickers once the oil is used up." Both mercury and lamp oil are often used metaphors for the kidney jing. To avoid such a gruesome death, the handsome protagonist of the second moralist novel of the Ming dynasty, Prayer Mat of Flesh (Rou Putuan), decided to become a Buddhist hermit, cut off his surgically amplified penis, and utilize his jing for spiritual cultivation. Although the word jing is synonymous with the Chinese word semen, the seminal fluid represents only one form of jing. Other dense fluid essences such as saliva (particularly the kind that gets spontaneously excreted during meditation), vaginal fluids, breast milk, or blood are all regarded to be different transformations of one and the same jing; these are refined essences. Female "leakage" problems, such as metrorrhagia or leukorrhea occurring in older women, are therefore taken seriously for the same reasons as loss of semen in men. Daoist body science even features a special category called female alchemy (nu dan), wherein adepts are instructed in the conservation of (menstrual) blood and its transformation into physical and spiritual energy. The jing stored in the kidney can be differentiated into prenatal jing and postnatal jing. Prenatal jing contains the information that is given to us before birth (we would today describe it as genetic information) that is intimately linked to the growth and maturation of an individual, which differs for men and women. The defining passage in the Neijing for women reads: "At the age of seven, the kidney qi [the physical action generated by the material basis of kidney jing] in females is strong, and the teeth come in. At the age of two times seven, the tiangui (stage of hormonal and reproductive maturity) arrives, the conception vessel opens, the penetrating vessel flourishes, menstruation is regular, and pregnancy becomes possible." With regard to male

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physiology: "At the age of eight, the kidney qi solidifies in males and teeth develop. At the age of two times eight, the kidney qi flourishes, the tiangui arrives, ejaculation occurs, and it becomes possible to have intercourse with females and beget children...; at the age of seven times eight, the liver qi is exhausted, the tendons are unable to facilitate smooth movement, the tiangui is dried up, jing is sparse, the kidney system is exhausted, and symptoms of physical aging are plentiful." Postnatal jing is the nutritive essence distilled from food by the spleen/stomach, and used to provide a constant flow of nourishing dew to the other organ networks. If all the networks are plentifully supplied, the surplus of the body's vital fluid transformation is stored in the kidney. The Neijing states: "The kidney is in charge of water, and it receives the essences of the other zang and fu organ networks and stores it." Before birth, prenatal jing forms the material basis for the development of postnatal jing. Once born, postnatal jing continuously boosts the body's limited supply of prenatal jing. Both forms of essence compose an indivisible entity. Kidney jing encompasses both kidney yin and kidney yang, often referred to as the body's original yin and original yang. Kidney qi is produced by the dynamic interaction between the two, specifically the action of functional/warming kidney yang steaming the material kidney yin. Kidney yin is the source of all material body fluids, in charge of nourishing and moistening all organ networks. Kidney yang, sometimes also called true yang, is the source of all types of yang qi. It is the driving force behind all processes of warming, generation, and transformation. The yin and yang aspects of the kidney both rely on each other and control each other. The proper balance between kidney yin and kidney yang is an important precondition for health. Will, determination, and power of memory are attributed to the

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kidney. The ability to keep a secret is attributed to the kidney's power of retention and safeguarding against leakage. The Neijing defined that "the kidney stores jing, and jing houses will power." In turn, if kidney jing becomes exhausted, a weak will and poor memory will result. Fluids reach the kidney after they have been absorbed by the stomach, raised upwards by the spleen, and sprinkled downwards by the lung. At this point they become differentiated into clear and turbid aspects by virtue of the transformative powers of kidney yang. The clear part of fluid essence returns to the lung, from where it moistens each one of the zang organs. From the lung, it turns into nasal discharge, or sweat, or saliva, or tears; and it differentiates into jing, blood, jin (liquids, that is the thinner fluids moistening the muscles), and ye (the denser fluids lubricating the joints and bone marrow). The turbid part feeds into the bladder, where it is being transformed into urine, and excreted. Bone marrow is considered to be a transformation of kidney jing that has the specific task of nourishing the bones. It is differentiated into bone marrow, spinal marrow, and brain marrow. Spinal marrow feeds into the brain, where the densest concentration of "marrow" can be observed. The brain is therefore also called the sea of marrow. If kidney jing is plentiful, both the bone (supporting the body) and the brain (supporting the mind) will be at a level of ideal strength. On the other hand, a deficiency of kidney jing will bring about brittle bones and a listless spirit. As the Neijing puts it: "The kidney is the master of physical strength; it produces exquisite movements/actions." Since the teeth are considered to be the "surplus of the bones," they also rely on the nourishment of the kidney. If the jing is

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plentiful, the teeth are firm; if not, they come loose or fall out. The hair's growth process is governed by the waxing and waning of kidney qi. Again the crucial Neijing quote: "At the age of seven, a female's kidney qi is in high gear, the second teeth come in and the hair grows." Ancient texts often consider the head's hair to be a direct outgrowth of the brain, which would relate it to the kidney. The growth pattern and general luster of the hair is an important indication for the condition of prenatal jing. Although the process of breathing is governed by the lung, the containment of incoming qi within the lower burner is governed by kidney qi. Only if kidney qi is plentiful and its grasping power sufficient can the qi passages of the lung be unobstructed and the breathing be harmonious. If the kidney is weak and the breath cannot "root" in the kidney, disease will eventually arise. Shallow breathing, particularly in patients suffering from chronic asthma, is therefore often associated with a kidney qi deficiency. In this situation, the breath gets stuck above the diaphragm and cannot descend into its rightful abode, the lower dantian. This aspect of the kidney is one reason why there is such an intent focus on abdominal breathing in Oriental cultures. The kidney and bladder form a zang-fu pair: "The kidney is connected with the bladder," states the Neijing; "the bladder is the store house of the liquids and humors." This statement reminds us that the bladder, similar to the gallbladder and the small intestine, not only excretes unwanted waste materials, but comprises a temporary station along the body's complex highway of vital fluid transformation. Bladder function, particular its function of "opening and closing," is largely dependent on the power of kidney qi. If kidney qi is strong, normal water metabolism will take place. The storage and excretion process of water through the bladder is thus intimately related to the general

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functioning of the kidney. The ears, which faintly resemble the kidneys in shape, are thought to reflect the condition of kidney jing. Large ears and sharp hearing indicate an excellent condition of kidney jing. As people grow older, they not only become more forgetful, but their power of hearing decreases (and sometimes their ears shrivel up) as their jing depletes. As the original statement of the Neijing goes: "The kidney qi communicates with the ears; if the kidney functions properly, the ears can distinguish the five essential sounds." Kidney qi, due to its mother organ's close proximity to the openings in the lower burner, governs the opening and closing function of the "two private parts," including sexual functions like erection, ejaculation, and lubrication of the vaginal tract, and maintenance of fecal continence (as well as urinary continence via the control of the bladder). The concept of mingmen, the vital gate of life, is an integral part of the kidney system. The Nanjing (Classic of Difficulties) elaborated on basic Neijing theory by figuratively differentiating these two aspects of the kidney in structural terms, thereby initiating a medical theory that was later referred to as the mingmen school: "There are two kidney parts. Actually, not both of them are kidneys. The left one is the kidney, the right one is mingmen." The classic then goes on to elaborate that mingmen is the place "where the entirety of bodily jing and shen is at home, and where the original qi is generated." "It is the root of all zang-fu networks, the foundation of the twelve channels, the gate of breath, and the source of all three burning spaces." Later medical scholars argued that mingmen is an immaterial force that could not be physically located in the right kidney. Rather, its location is the central point on the spine between the two anatomical kidneys and opposite the umbilicus, thus forming a "posterior dantian."

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The Chinese name for the acupuncture point located there is mingmen (GV-4). The fire lodged within kidney water is often referred to as the body's ministerial fire (xiang huo), as opposed to the imperial fire (jun huo) of the heart. In its role of the "minister" serving the higher centers, it warms the spleen, ripens food, grasps lung qi, and gives volume to a person's voice. The triple burner, a fu organ that is said to pass through and connect all of the body's three burning spaces, stimulates qi transformation with a specific focus on water metabolism. It keeps the body's water ways unobstructed and smoothly operating. These functions of the triple burner are intimately tied to the kidney and bladder. The Neijing says: "The upper burner is like a mist, the middle burner is like a swamp, and the lower burner is like a ditch," referring to the essence misting activity of the lung on top, the fermenting action of the spleen/stomach at the center, and the canalization of water in the lowest part of the torso. Injury to Kidney (Yin) and Mingmen (Yang) Fire: if the kidney's ability to store jing becomes disturbed, a person's growth patterns and reproductive ability will be affected; infertility, hair and tooth loss, slow physical development, or softness and malformation of the bones may result. If within the kidney jing the crucial controlling/generating balance between kidney yin and kidney yang becomes disturbed, different symptom patterns may arise. Typical manifestations of hyperactivity of yang due to kidney yin deficiency are burning sensation in the palms and soles, tidal heat sensations, night sweats, spermatorrhea, or sexual dreams. When the kidney yang is exhausted and thus unable to execute its ministerial warming function, symptoms of listless spirit may result: sore lower back and knees; cold sensations in the body and its extremities;

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inhibited urination or frequent and profuse urination; early morning diarrhea; asthmatic panting upon slight physical exertion; difficult breathing; impotence and premature ejaculation; or infertility due to a "cold uterus." If there is evidence of kidney deficiency without obvious cold or heat symptoms, this symptom complex is usually referred to as kidney qi (or kidney jing) deficiency. It is important to understand the intimate relationship of kidney yin and kidney yang, and that prolonged kidney yin deficiency will eventually influence kidney yang and vice versa. This phenomenon is usually called a deficiency of kidney yin implicating kidney yang, or a deficiency of kidney yang implicating kidney yin. Changes in Water Metabolism: since the kidney is said to be in charge of water, all pathological changes involving water are in some way associated with the kidney. If there is a lack of kidney yang, the body's general process of qi transformation will suffer, and consequently water metabolism will be inhibited. As the Treatise on Blood Diseases (Xuezheng Lun) explains: "If there is not enough yang qi, pathological water accumulations will turn into phlegm and distress the heart or attack the lung, or cause symptoms of edema, abdominal pain accompanied by a sensation of qi rushing upwards, or diarrhea and intense cold." Most cases of phlegm or edema occur when the yang fire is unable to transform yin water. Figuratively speaking, the kidney is the general commanding the two water fu organs which are mainly involved in the transportation and transformation of water, namely the triple burner and the bladder. As the Neijing says: "The shaoyang [triple burner] belongs to the kidney; above, the kidney connects with the lung, and thus has two fu organs under its command [triple burner and bladder]." Therefore, if there is not enough kidney yang, the upper burner cannot properly distribute fluids, the middle burner cannot properly steam and ripen food and separate the clear from the

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turbid, and the lower burner cannot properly transform qi, thus influencing the opening and closing ability of the bladder (causing excessive or inhibited urination, as in bed wetting, frequent urination, nocturia, etc.). Moreover, since urine is manufactured from body fluids which are in part produced by the kidney, a deficiency of kidney water will always involve a deficiency of fluids, causing inhibited urination. Along the same lines, too much urination will eventually harm the body's fluid supply. Emotional Influences on Proper Kidney Function: the kidney is said to house the force of will power and determination. Will power, therefore, relies on nourishment by kidney jing. If jing is weak, then will power and its sustained expression (memory) will also be weak. Intense or prolonged fear, the emotion associated with the kidney, will cause injury to the kidney qi, resulting in impotence, spermatorrhea, or the gradual development of cowardly behavior. The other way around, a physical deficiency of kidney jing can cause a disposition for panicky and fearful behavior. Kidney Disorders Causing Pathological Changes in the Bones, the Marrow, the Hair, and the Ears: if kidney jing is sufficient, the continuous production of high quality marrow is assured, resulting in properly nourished and, thus, firm and strong bones. Otherwise the skeletal structure will be weak, or structural changes such as osteoporosis might occur. If the kidney is harmed by pernicious qi affecting the kidney jing and consequently the marrow and bones, there will be symptoms of weak and sore waist and legs, or even atrophy of the legs causing severely limited mobility. As the Neijing states: "If kidney qi is pathologically hot, the lumbar spine will be inhibited, the bones will become brittle and the marrow scorched, and atrophy of the bones will result." For the same reasons, symptoms of loosening and deteriorating

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teeth, or the drying, greying, and gradual falling out of hair are related to the state of the kidney's jing qi. Since the ears and the associated sense of hearing also depend on nourishment by the kidney's jing qi, ringing in the ears, loss of hearing, or deafness are typical symptoms for various aspects of kidney deficiency. Moisten the kidney (tonify kidney yin) (zi yin; bu shen yin): rehmannia (dihuang), tortoise shell (guiban), asparagus root (tianmendong), lycium fruit (gouqizi), morus fruit (sangshenzi), ligustrum (nuzhenzi). Warm the kidney (strengthen yang; tonify the vital flame of life) (wen shen; zhuang yang; bu ming huo): aconite (fuzi), cinnamon bark (rougui), sulphur (liuhuang), morinda (bajitian), deer antler (lurong), cnidium fruit (shechuangzi), cistanche (roucongrong). Complement jing and tonify the marrow (tian jing bu sui): animal bone marrow (dongwu jisui), animal brain (naosui), placenta (ziheche), deer antler (lurong), antler gelatin (lujiaojiao), tortoise plaster gelatin (guijiao), cordyceps (dongchong xiacao). Restore the storing action of the kidney (astringe jing; stop vaginal discharge; curb frequent and profuse urination) (gu shen; se jing; zhi dai; shou se xiao bian): schizandra (wuweizi), cornus (shanzhuyu), alpinia (yizhiren), rubia (fupenzi), mantis egg case (sangpiaoxiao), rose hips (jinyingzi). Restore the kidney's function of grasping and retaining qi (na qi gui shen): schizandra (wuweizi), psoralea (buguzhi), gecko (gejie), cornus (shanzhuyu), aquilaria (chenxiang). Aid the transformation of bladder qi (hua pangguang qi): cinnamon twig (guizhi) and hoelen (fuling), cinnamon bark (rougui), lindera (wuyao), fennel (xiao huixiang), saussurea (muxiang), citrus seed (juhe), litchi seed (lizhihe). Open and disinhibit the water passages of the bladder

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and the triple burner (tongli pangguang, sanjiao): alisma (zexie), hoelen (fuling), polyporus (zhuling), talc (huashi), akebia (mutong), tetrapanax (tongcao), tokoro (pixie), polygonum (bianxu), lygodium (haijinsha). Clear kidney heat (moisten yin and descend deficiency fire) (qing shen re; zi yin jiang huo): anemarrhena (zhimu), phellodendron (huangbai), morus bark (digupi), eclipta (hanliancao). Discharge kidney fire (purge fire with salty and cold materials) (xie shen huo; xian han xie huo): salt (qingyan), halite (qingyan), urine (tongbian), calcitum (hanshuishi). Since the kidney is the representative lower burner organ, it generally needs to be addressed with high amounts of heavy and sticky substances. The 18th century fever school authority Wu Jutong once described this characteristic in graphic terms: "Lower burner therapy is like a weight-if it is not heavy enough, it does not reach the bottom." Kidney disorders are generally of a cold and deficient nature. Kidney therapy, therefore, needs to focus primarily on the tonification of deficiency; purging of excess is a definite taboo. If kidney water is deficient, the kidney needs to be tonified by moistening yin. If kidney jing is deficient, it needs to be replenished by supplementing jing and tonifying the bone marrow. If kidney yang is deficient, the kidney needs to be tonified by using modalities that strengthen yang. In the more advanced scenario of mingmen fire exhaustion, materials that warm and tonify the vital flame of life need to be employed. Since the kidney has both yin and yang aspects, pathological situations may arise from an imbalance in the ratio of kidney yin and kidney yang. The most typical example is the upflaring of deficiency fire due to a deficiency in kidney water, which calls for a descending action that re-anchors the floating fire in the yin

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waters of the kidney. This is primarily achieved by the use of yin tonics which will bring the diminished yin level back to full capacity and thus naturally extinguish the deficiency type of pathological heat. If yang deficiency has begun to implicate yin, both jing and marrow should be supplemented and the vital flame of life be warmed and tonified. If both kidney yin and yang are deficient, both the various aspects of the kidney and the vital flame of life should be tonified. In the common scenario of spleen and kidney deficiency, both spleen and kidney yang need to be tonified. In case of lung and kidney deficiency, both lung and kidney yin need to be moistened. In chronic asthma patients where kidney deficiency results in an inability of the kidney to grasp the descending qi from the lung, the kidney needs to be warmed with substances that specifically assist with the action of grasping and retaining qi, such as gecko (gejie) and schizandra (wuweizi). If lung metal fails to properly generate kidney water, kidney yin needs to be moistened indirectly by nourishing the yin of its mother system, the lung. If kidney water fails to nourish its son, liver wood, the liver needs to be supported by moistening kidney yin and/or kidney jing. In the case that kidney deficiency has caused an exhaustion of the earth network, the lower burner's vital flame of life needs to be rekindled with warming substances in order to provide the transformative forces of the middle burner above with the activating heat they require. If the extended water network (including the kidney, the bladder, and the triple burner) is compromised by a damp heat condition, the dampness should be disinhibited with materials of a cooling nature that have a specific affinity to the lower burner, such as alisma (zexie), polyporus (zhuling), and talc (huashi). If the transformative powers of the bladder and the triple burner fail due to an exhaustion of the kidney's vital flame of life, then this type of pathological water accumulation needs to be transformed

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by primarily warming kidney qi, and secondarily by adding several herbs that directly move out the pathological water. If phlegm, dampness, or water rheum stagnate internally, phlegm damp needs to be disinhibited, and water rheum driven out. If the kidney has been damaged due to chronic illness, exaggerated emotions, or excessive sexual activity, a change of the situation or life style that has originally caused the condition is imperative. Simultaneously, the recovery of the kidney system can be supported by prescribing a selection of tonic agents that moisten yin, strengthen yang, or nourish jing and marrow. As the water network, the kidney has an aversion to dry influences. It would be particularly detrimental to exclusively employ bitter and drying substances in a situation where the kidney yin is deficient. Perhaps unexpectedly, the Neijing recommends pungent flavors to counteract dryness in the kidney; these pungent flavors aid the lung in distributing moisture to the kidney. In clinical reality, herbs like cuscuta (tusizi) and cnidium fruit (shechuangzi) fit this category. The kidney strives for a state of guarded firmness and tight solidity. If the storage fortress of the kidney is properly buttressed, precious essence will not leak out. Many bitter materials, although they should be used cautiously for the reasons just mentioned, have a stabilizing affect on kidney yin. Anemarrhena (zhimu), an herb that is both bitter and moistening, and phellodendron (huangbai) are the prime substances used in situations of continuous jing leakage, particularly lower burner deficiency fire fueling obsessive sexual urges, excessive masturbation, recurrent sexual dreams, spermatorrhea, or certain types of leukorrhea. Salty flavors have a direct affinity to the kidney network, and are generally beneficial when used in moderation. "Salty flavors generate the kidney," comments the Neijing. Increased dietary intake of salt, usually obtained from stored foods with salt as the preserving element, taken during the water season (winter)

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contributes to preserving the kidney against the cold. On the other hand, salt has a percolating and leakage-promoting affect that is overall unsuitable for an organ system that is in charge of storing and metabolizing physiological jing, humors, and fluids. Therefore, excessive consumption of salty foods is discouraged, as it will harm the kidney and its affiliated body layer. "If the disease is in the bone layer," the Neijing points out elsewhere, "do not eat salty foods." If the kidney root is damaged, many of the body's stem and branch organs have already entered a pathological state first. If kidney yin-that is the base substance from which liver yin, stomach yin, heart yin, lung yin, and the body's humors and fluids are formed-is deficient, it usually means that the condition is preceded by a yin deficiency in other organs. Similarly, the essential flame of the lower burner only flickers after the light in the upper levels has grown dim. This situation has given rise to a school of medicine that favors kidney tonification in most deficiency situations. Tonifying kidney yin and kidney yang, proponents have argued since the 13th century, means to moisten and strengthen the body's source yin/yang and thereby the yin/yang of all organ networks. However, the root status of the kidney also implies that kidney deficiency is often accompanied by inadequate spleen/stomach function. This poses a problem in light of the fact that herbal kidney therapy requires heavy amounts of sticky substances that are generally hard to digest. One attempt to remedy this situation was the addition of herbal "digestive aids" to kidney formulas such as Rehmannia Six Formula (Liuwei Dihuang Wan). Pharmacists at the renowned Beijing herb emporium Tongren Tang, for instance, used to automatically add small amounts of the aromatic cardamon (sharen) if the patient's prescription called for large amounts of the greasy kidney tonic rehmannia (dihuang). Proponents of the spleen/stomach school, on the other hand, have argued that kidney deficiency is often the

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result of a deficiency of its controlling network, namely spleen earth. Spleen tonification advocates have said for more than half a millennium that this should be the primary modality to regenerate the kidney system. In any case, caution needs to be exercised regarding the prescription of heavy "water" substances to patients who show signs of digestive weakness, such as poor appetite, bloating, and tendency to experience diarrhea or loose stool. A safe method for the direct tonification of lower burner source qi has been developed by the ancestors of Chinese medicine, namely Daoist practitioners of "inner alchemy." The term inner alchemy refers to Qigong exercises of the quiet, meditative kind that focus on generating warmth and fullness in the lower dantian. KIDNEY YIN DEFICIENCY (shen yin xu): primary symptoms are dizziness; blurry vision; ringing in the ears; sore and weak lower back or knees; burning in palms and soles; tidal heat sensations; night sweats. Secondary symptoms include dry mouth and throat; flushed face; emaciated features; premature graying of hair; low sperm count in males; decreased menstrual flow and infertility in females; forgetfulness; insomnia; spermatorrhea; premature ejaculation; heel pain; yellow urination; dry stool. The tongue typically presents with a red body and little or no coating; the pulse tends to be fine and rapid. Representative Herbs: rehmannia (dihuang), cornus (shanzhuyu), asparagus root (tianmendong), ho-shou-wu (heshouwu), lycium fruit (gouqizi), ligustrum (nuzhenzi), tortoise shell (guiban), turtle shell (biejia), scrophularia (xuanshen), eclipta (hanliancao), anemarrhena (zhimu). Representative Formulas: Return the Left Decoction; Achyranthes and Rehmannia Formula (Zuogui Yin); Rehmannia Six Formula (Liuwei Dihuang Wan). KIDNEY YANG DEFICIENCY (shen yang xu): primary symptoms are pale or dark complexion; listless spirit; obvious

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aversion to cold; cold extremities; low sex drive; weak or cold and painful lower back and knees; early morning diarrhea; frequent urination or clear and profuse urination. Secondary symptoms include impotence; premature ejaculation; infertility; clear vaginal discharge; inhibited urination and edema; dizziness; ringing in the ears. The tongue typically presents with a pale, tender, and often toothmarked body, and a white and slippery coating; the pulse tends to be deep, slow, and forceless. Representative Herbs: aconite (fuzi), cinnamon bark (rougui), epimedium (yinyanghuo), morinda (bajitian), psoralea (buguzhi), deer antler (lurong), curculigo (xianmao), fenugreek (huluba), cistanche (roucongrong), cynomorium (suoyang). Representative Formulas: Return the Right Pill (Yougui Wan). KIDNEY QI DEFICIENCY (shen qi xu): primary symptoms are dizziness; ringing in the ears; weak or sore lower back and knees; physical and mental fatigue; shortness of breath. Secondary symptoms include pale complexion; spontaneous sweating; decreased mental and physical growth rate in children; frequent urination; nocturia; spermatorrhea; premature ejaculation; asthmatic panting upon exertion. The tongue typically presents with a pale body and a white coating; the pulse tends to be fine and weak. Representative Herbs: walnut (hutaorou), dioscorea (shanyao), eucommia (duzhong), cuscuta (tusizi), schizandra (wuweizi), cornus (shanzhuyu), morinda (bajitian). Representative Formula: Rehmannia Eight Formula (Shenqi Wan). KIDNEY JING DEPLETION (shen jing bu zu): primary symptoms are dizziness; ringing in the ears; weak or sore lower back and knees; low sperm count in males; amenorrhea and infertility in females; delayed mental and physical development in children. Secondary symptoms include decreased memory; slow

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and clumsy body movements; dull facial expressions; emaciated body structure; hair loss; loose teeth; late closing of fontanella in babies; muscular atrophy. Representative Herbs: placenta (ziheche), deer antler (lurong), tortoise shell gelatin (guijiaojiao), cordyceps (dongchong xiacao), cooked rehmannia (shu dihuang), lycium fruit (gouqizi), cornus (shanzhuyu), eucommia (duzhong), cistanche (roucongrong). Representative Formula: Placenta Restorative Pills (Heche Dazao Wan). BILATERAL DEFICIENCY OF KIDNEY YIN AND YANG (shen yin yang liang xu): primary symptoms are dizziness; ringing in the ears; weak, sore, or painful lower back and knees; cold fingers and toes and/or burning sensations in palms and soles; night sweats or spontaneous sweating. Secondary symptoms include pale complexion and/or flushed face; poor memory; insomnia; vivid dreaming; listless spirit; loose teeth; dry and split hair; unsteady walk; swollen feet; asthmatic panting upon physical exertion. The tongue typically presents with a red body and little or no coating, or with a pale body and white coating; the pulse tends to be fine and rapid, or deep, slow, and weak. Representative Herbs: cooked rehmannia (shu dihuang), ho-shou-wu (heshouwu), lycium fruit (gouqizi), ligustrum (nuzhenzi), cornus (shanzhuyu), cuscuta (tusizi), schizandra (wuweizi). Representative Formulas: Rehmannia Eight Formula (Shenqi Wan); Five Seed Fertilize the Ancestral Force Pill (Wuzi Yanzong Wan). THE KIDNEY QI FAILS TO EXECUTE ITS STORING ACTION (shen qi bu gu): primary symptoms include clear, frequent, and dribbling urination; enuresis; bedwetting; spermatorrhea; premature ejaculation; tendency to miscarry; clear vaginal discharge. Secondary symptoms include pale complexion;

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mental and physical fatigue; weak or sore back; loss of hearing; spontaneous sweating. The tongue typically presents with a pale body and a white coating; the pulse tends to be fine and weak. Representative Herbs: schizandra (wuweizi), euryale (qianshi), rose hips (jinyingzi), mantis egg cases (sangpiaoxiao), dioscorea (shanyao), alpinia (yizhiren), dragon bone (longgu), oyster shell (muli), cuscuta (tusizi). Representative Formulas: Golden Lock Shore Up the Jing Pill (Jinsuo Gujing Wan); Mantis Formula (Sangpiaoxiao San); Retract the Source Pill (Suoquan Wan). THE KIDNEY FAILS TO GRASP AND RETAIN QI (shen bu na qi): primary symptoms are shortness of breath or asthmatic panting (brief inhale, longer exhale), especially following physical exertion. Secondary symptoms include pale complexion; puffy face; blue lips; emission of small amounts of urine when coughing; spontaneous sweating; general aversion to cold; cold extremities; weak or sore lower back and knees; mental and physical fatigue. The tongue typically presents with a pale body and a white coating; the pulse tends to be fine and weak, or floating and uprooted. Representative Herbs: walnut (hutaorou), gecko (gejie), psoralea (buguzhi), schizandra (wuweizi), cooked rehmannia (shu dihuang), ginseng (renshen), codonopsis (dangshen), aquilaria (chenxiang), amethystum (zishiying). Representative Formulas: Ginseng and Walnut Decoction (Renshen Hutao Tang); Ginseng and Gecko Powder (Shen Jie San); All Encompassing Qi Pill (Du Qi Wan). YIN DEFICIENCY CAUSING FIRE EFFULGENCE (yin xu huo wang): primary symptoms are flushed face and red lips; restlessness; difficulty falling asleep; dry mouth and throat; burning sensation in palms and soles; tidal heat sensations; night sweats. Secondary symptoms include obsessive sexual fantasies; excessive urge to masturbate; frequent sexual dreams; dark

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urination; constipation. The tongue typically presents with a red body and little or no coating; the pulse tends to be fine and rapid. Representative Herbs: anemarrhena (zhimu), phellodendron (huangbai), coptis (huanglian), raw rehmannia ( sheng dihuang), peony (baishao), cynanchum (baiwei), eclipta (hanliancao), lycium bark (digupi). Representative Formulas: Anemarrhena, Phellodendron, and Rehmannia Formula (Zhi Bai Dihuang Wan); Lock in the Marrow Pellet (Fengsui Dan). KIDNEY YANG DEFICIENCY CAUSING WATER EFFUSION (shen yang xu shui fan): primary symptoms are puffiness and edema (especially prominent in lower extremities). Secondary symptoms include ashen or waxen face color; inhibited urination; obvious aversion to cold; cold extremities; palpitations; stuffy sensation in chest; shortness of breath; cough or asthmatic panting accompanied by expectoration of runny and clear phlegm; heavy and painful waist; abdominal fullness; scrotal edema. The tongue typically presents with a fat, pale, and toothmarked body, and a white and slippery coating; the pulse tends to be deep and wiry; or deep and fine. Representative Herbs: aconite (fuzi), cinnamon twig (guizhi), hoelen (fuling), curculigo (xianmao), alisma (zexie), plantago seed (cheqianzi), polyporus (zhuling). Representative Formula: Vitality Combination (Zhenwu Tang). http://www.itmonline...gans/kidney.htm (http://www.itmonline.org/5organs/kidney.htm)

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SonOfTheGods, on 10 Apr 2014 - 21:26, said: Quote THE MICROCOSMIC ORBIT TECHNIQUE Secrets of Chinese Meditation Charles Luk First stop your thinking (process). After regulating body and mind, sit facing east, with crossed legs. Adjust your inhalation and exhalation, and place the right hand upon the left one, drawing them close to the lower belly below the navel. Then knock the lower teeth against the upper ones thirty-six times to stabilize both body and spirit. Let the red dragon stir the sea thirty-six times,^ directing your (closed) eyes to follow its movements. Now let the tongue touch the palate. Calm your mind and count your breath three hundred and sixty times. When your mouth is full of divine water, rinse it a few times and then practise the four acts^ by drawing up the anus to ensure (for the vital principle) free passage in the jen mo channel through the coccyx and the middle gate (between the loins) and then along the spine up which it moves faster. Close your eyes, turn thein up and breathe in slowly through the nose without expiring, until the piSê pillow (i.e. the back of the head) is pierced through. Then (the vital principle), as if

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being forcibly pushed up by the faculty of seeing, rises up the (central channel), circles the Kunlun peak (the top of the head), and descends to the magpie's bridge (the tongue). Now swallow one third of your sahva which should follow (the vital principle) down to the Bright Palace (the heart) before returning to the ocean of prana (the lower belly). Pause for a moment and repeat the same exercise for a second and third time to make three circuits in all. This is called the reverse flowing of the Heavenly Current. Rest for a httle and, with your hands, rub the lower belly one hundred and eighty times. When taking the hands away, put a warm cloth over the navel and lower belly in order not to expose them to cold air. (The^cients said: 'The secret of immortality Ues in the preservation of the heat in the Field of the Elixir (in the lower belly).') Then, chafe the backs of the thumbs against each other until they are hot and, with them, rub the eyes fourteen times to quench the 'fire' in the heart, the nose thirty-six times to refresh the lungs, the ears fourteen times to invigorate the kidneys and the face fourteen times to strengthen the spleen. Close the ears with (the palms of) your hands and beat the heavenly drum.^ Then raise your hands slowly

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over your head, bringing the two palms together* as if to salute the Heavens. Do all this three times and slowly breathe out impure air, inspiring fresh air, four to five times. Then (with crossed arms) hold the shoulders with your hands, shaking them a few times to invigorate your nerves and bones. Conclude by rubbing the jade pillow (the back of the head) twenty-four times, the small of the back i8o times and the middles of the soles 18o times. 1. The red dragon is the tongue; roll it round your mouth thirty-six times to make saliva flow, thereby reducing the scorching effect of the heat of rising praqa. A quicker way is to roll the tongue back as far as possible. 2. The four acts consist of (a) drawing up, (

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closing and (d) inhaling. Drawing up the anus is to promote free passage of prana through the coccyx; touching the palate with the tongue is to make a bridge connecting the psychic centres in the h?ad with those in the neck and the chest; closing the eyes to look up is to control the mind and to push up the prana; and inhaling without exhaling is to avoid dissipation of the vital energy. 3. Place the palms of the hands on the ears, press the second fmgers on the back of the head with the first fingers and snap the latter against

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the bones above the ears to make sharp sounds. 4. To connect the currents of pra
So the main part of this is, in simplified languageput right hand on top of left, on ldt click teeth 36 times tongue sweeps the mouth + eyes following 36 times tounge on palate + breathe with ldt for 360 times then, keeping the saliva in mouth suck anus up and in (anal lock) + closed eyes look up to yintang + slow inhale+ hands on ldt once the qi reaches the baihui, it will move to the tongue swallow 1/3 of saliva follow it down to ldt -endIs that a close breakdown, SOTG?

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Uroboros, on 11 Apr 2014 - 23:07, said: So the main part of this is, in simplified languageput right hand on top of left, on ldt click teeth 36 times tongue sweeps the mouth + eyes following 36 times tounge on palate + breathe with ldt for 360 times then, keeping the saliva in mouth suck anus up and in (anal lock) + closed eyes look up to yintang + slow inhale+ hands on ldt once the qi reaches the baihui, it will move to the tongue swallow 1/3 of saliva follow it down to ldt -endIs that a close breakdown, SOTG? Yes thats old school MCO Basically the Microcosmic Orbit then the Macrocosmic orbit encompasses your whole aura

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http://www.lotusneig...sung-breathing/ (http://www.lotusneigongbristol.co.uk/sung-breathing/)

Quote Sung Breathing “This is an extract from an article written by Damo Mitchell, founder of Lotus Nei Gong, January 2011.” Sung breathing is a technique which, although simple, has profound effects on health and consciousness. Benefits range from relaxing the body right the way through to helping you reconnect with the two great powers of Heaven and Earth. The process of changing the way we work with our breath is as follows: First, we consciously take control of our breathing. We need to over-ride the unconscious process which allows us to breathe without thinking. Second, we learn how to Sung breathe. Then we return control of our breathing to the unconscious processes having retrained our body’s natural breathing process to a new, more efficient method.

Basic Purposes of Regulating the Breath Our breathing serves a multitude of purposes but on a basic level it enables us to carry out the following tasks: Bring oxygen into the body Expel carbon dioxide from the body which would otherwise be harmful Helps us regulate our emotions to a certain extent Increases our acquired Qi intake Regulates the internal pressure of the torso Allows us to reconnect to the powers of Heaven and Earth

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The above functions of breathing enable us to develop a strong foundation for further Qi Gong training. The Principle of Sung It is not enough to simply relax during practice of Qi Gong or indeed any of the internal arts. The Daoists use the term Sung instead of ‘relax’ for good reason. In brief, Sung can be translated as: the systematic transference of habitual tension from either the physical or consciousness body into the energetic realm. This may sound a little confusing but in essence it is quite simple as long as we remember that Sung is an energetic process which largely takes place within the energy body. The key to transforming physical tension and tension from the consciousness body into energetic factors which can be released is to develop harmonization of the three bodies of man through our breathing. Tension within the physical body is simply a piece of information which is stored as a vibration. This tension may have been caused by any number of physical or emotional factors which, for the most part, we will be unaware of during the process of Sung. As we use our Sung breathing technique, the frequency of this vibration alters. It is transformed into an energetic state and so moved into the meridian system before being discharged from the body. The result is that our physical tension fades away. The more we practice this process, the deeper we can delve and so we find that tension which has been stored deep within us is released leaving us feel lighter and more mobile. Releasing the body of physical tension is a long and difficult process that moves through the following stages: Removal of tension from the large muscle groups Removal of tension from the semi-fluid connective tissues such as ligaments, tendons and most importantly fascia

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Removal of tension from the deeper layers of fascia which sit deep within the body, particularly the layers surrounding the organs As the deepening layers of physical tension begin to vanish you will notice different changes taking place within your body. Your posture will begin to change as the bones are allowed to ‘relax’ back into their natural position. The tension which pulled them out of place is let go of and so you should immediately start to notice aches and pains disappearing. You will find that your flexibility increases as joints loosen and the spaces between your bones open up. As the ever-deepening layers of fascia loosen, internal movement will increase and your entire body will soften; the feeling is much like the body of a small child which is very pliable and rubbery.One of the major changes that you will find is an increase in your stamina levels. It is very draining for the body to store tension and letting go of it means that you will feel refreshed and full of ‘zest’. Tension within the Energetic Body The energetic body will store tension as blockages in the various pathways of the meridian system. It is impossible for physical imbalance not to be reflected in an energetic imbalance. These blockages within the meridian system decrease the efficiency of Qi flow and so in turn can lead to sickness. Qi is driven through the meridian system by the rotation of the lower Dan Tien. The nature of this Qi is constantly changing in response to various factors including our health, emotional state and the quality of the Qi which we draw in from our food and air. The energy body is capable of naturally expelling a certain amount of energetic imbalances when we breathe but, due to the nature of modern living, we tend to develop more imbalances than we can effectively deal with in this way.

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Through learning the Sung breathing technique we clear tensions or blockages in the meridian system far more effectively. They are mainly expelled through our extremities and several major energy points including: Laogong (PC8), Yongquan (K1) and Baihui (GV20) providing that they are effectively opened through our internal training. Tension within the Consciousness Body Tension within the consciousness body is manifested as imbalances within our psychological state of being. In the same way that the physical body can develop tensions through injury and illness, the consciousness body can build up tension through the various stresses and difficulties we face in our daily lives. As soon as we have an awareness of the negativity within life we are developing tension within the consciousness body. From a young age we are damaging our psychological state and building up layers of emotional debris. These can manifest in later life as some sort of physical illness or an emotional breakdown. Our emotions are simply a manifestation of imbalances within the consciousness body. That is not to say that we are trying to rid ourselves of our emotions through our practice, instead we are trying to bring them to a stable point rather than experiencing constant emotional fluctuations which is the case for the vast majority of people. Sung breathing uses the method of transforming consciousness tension into energetic tension so that it can be removed from the body. Consciousness tension is converted down from the frequency of Shen to Qi whilst physical tension is converted up from the frequency of Jing to Qi. In this way we are finding the ‘middle path’ in our practice. This is a common aim in both Daoist and Buddhist practices. It is important to note that the later stages of Nei Gong training are more akin to meditative and alchemical practices and so

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consciousness body tension is simply removed directly via the mind. It does not pass down into the energy body first. Sung breathing is not as advanced as this and could be considered an intermediate practice which helps provide the foundation for further development into meditation. For this stage in our Nei Gong training it is more than adequate and one advantage that it has over meditation is that it does not rely on us being able to achieve the difficult stillness of the mind.


Andrei This is macrocosmic orbit:

Microcosmic orbit is only governor and conception channels. Posted 12 April 2014 - 01:47 PM

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Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt which circles the belly; it connects eight psychic centres Commonly called Chi-belt Energy ALWAYS Spirals

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Soos, on 17 Mar 2014 - 23:54, said: (http://thetaobums.com /index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findpost& pid=532003) Two years ago what is described here spontaneously happened to me for the first time while jump-roping. Laogong points on bottom of feet- and heel meridians. Going up and down off the ground creates a magnetic yin pulseespecially if your toes are coming into contact with the ground first. (Think Kunlun). Perineum moving up and down. Flexing of pelvis/cocyxx/sacral/mingmen. The laogong points in your hands, plus the wrist daling points being turned per the rope jumping activate the niwan point in your head. Then it reverses- like Tai Chi: Bai Hui - Niwan - Daling - LDT Bubbling Springs Deep quick breathing from jumping rope is activating the fire yang breathe, as your mind focuses on the event. http://thetaobums.co...nique/?p=532133 (http://thetaobums.com /topic/34121-very-powerful-energy-generatingactivatingtechnique/?p=532133)


SonOfTheGods Quote AbstractMy MCO runs Reverse:

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Up the Conception and down the Governor's Channel. Some theories suggest females have a reverse MCO, by nature. I am male, but mine runs in reverse. I do not produce heat- even when my Kundalini erupted, it was not the melting heat variety. Unlike g'Tummo where I can stay warm in cold climate, mine is opposite. I can sit in a very hot sauna, well over 280 degrees (F) for over 20 minutes with no problems, not even rehydrating while doing it. I do this a couple of times a week. Other gym members come in there after me, but leave long before me I sweat a lot, and rehydrate afterwards. I also use a lot of steam, and not the infrared variety. So in my estimation, if g'Tummo uses Yang, then mine is using Yin.

I use a grounding wire when I meditate in doors. Simple copper tubing running into the ground outside my

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temple window, about 6 feet down. Flattened iron container on the other end, which I placed inside a double terminal Quartz crystal. (which can be used as a stand in for a Yin field, to get Yang out of the body) Quartz oscillates, and contains Piezoelectric properties. Quartz crystal watches, etc I also use a Yang cushion I made- which is Orgone/Yang/Blue energy. I sit on this small orgone cushion, placed directly under my tailbone, raises me off the floor about 2 inches, while seated in full lotus. The grounding wire is raised slightly, and touches my Perineum/bare skin. This is used, with several varieties of seated meditation, for 2 hours daily. http://thetaobums.co...gnetic-version/ (http://thetaobums.com /topic/34321-reverse-gtummo-yimagnetic-version/)


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 10:20, said: Yes thats old school MCO Basically the Microcosmic Orbit then the Macrocosmic orbit encompasses your whole aura

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In this version of MCO, do you exhale after you swallow the saliva? Also, do you move your awareness+ eyes down to LDT? Bringing it up, then down with awareness and eyes?

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SonOfTheGods I don't use the MCO

But sometimes, if the LDT is just too strong to contain, I use this MCO to thin the flow out

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make sure your head is being pulled up like being suspended by a thread, and swallow don't depend too much on eye movement to make Qi flow It will flow automatically MCO - does it all by itself- for everybody


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 14:32, said: I don't use the MCO

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But sometimes, if the LDT is just too strong to contain, I use this MCO to thin the flow out

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make sure your head is being pulled up like being suspended by a thread, and swallow don't depend too much on eye movement to make Qi flow It will flow automatically MCO - does it all by itself- for everybody

What do you use, if not the MCO? Is there any intent used, to guide the qi or do you just use the anal lock + eyes+ spine extension?

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Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 14:49, said: What do you use, if not the MCO? Is there any intent used, to guide the qi or do you just use the anal lock + eyes+ spine extension? intent anal lock later on, for compression etc we want to avoid imagination ________________ will add more to this later on http://www.amazon.co...duct/1470174545 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1470174545) Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu http://www.amazon.co...ader_1470174545 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product /1470174545#reader_1470174545)

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Quick & Easy: Quote This meditation awakens and circulates qi through the two primary energy meridians of the body. In this meditation you will practice ascending qi up the Governing Channel, which runs from the base of the spine to the crown of the head ending in the upper palate of the mouth, and descending qi down the Functional Channel, which runs from the tongue down the front midline of the body. This cycle of ascending and descending qi is called the microcosmic orbit. The circuit of this orbit is only connected when the tongue touches the upper palate of the mouth. For this reason, you see this instruction in the qigong above and in this meditation.

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Intention of the practice: Qi flowing down the front of your body cultivates openness and receptivity to what is unfolding in life both inside and outside. Qi flowing up the back of your body cultivates responsiveness and expressiveness. As qi circulates up and down, around and around, a deep harmony emerges between the microcosm in you and the greater cosmos. This harmony reveals our beingness in a deep, subtle, and profound way. Structure of the practice: Please do this meditation for 20 minutes every day after practicing the Energy Circulation Qigong. One of the fundamental principles of qigong is “Where the mind moves the qi follows.” When you focus your attention on a particular location in your body, you activate the flow of qi in that area of your body. We will be utilizing this principle in this meditation by moving our attention to lead the qi through the microcosmic orbit. 1. Posture a. Sit on the floor or in a chair in such a way that your knees are lower than your hips, your back is upright and supporting itself, and you are solidly grounded. b. Tuck your chin in slightly to raise the back of your head and fully elongate your spine. c. Direct your gaze at a 45° angle toward the floor in front of you with your

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eyelids half open/half closed. d. Place your hands comfortably in your lap. 2. Focusing Attention / Focusing Qi a. Focus your attention on the center of your belly, your lower dan tian, and begin following your breath as your belly rises and falls. Rest your attention there for several minutes as you follow your breath to allow the mind to settle. b. Imagine each breath acting like a bellows fanning a fire in your belly. As you follow your breath, your belly fills with qi and becomes warmer. 3. Orbiting Attention / Orbiting Qi: a. Close your mouth and gently press the tongue to the roof of your mouth behind your front teeth to close the circuit of the microcosmic orbit. b. Inhaling qi up your back: Inhale as you draw in your abdomen and tighten your anus very slightly. As you do this, move your attention slowly from the perineum up the midline of your back to the crown of your head. c. Exhaling qi down your front: Exhale as you gently push your abdomen out slightly and relax your anus. As you do this, move your attention slowly from the crown of your head down the midline of the front of your body to your belly center.

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d. Continue in a cyclical manner to inhale qi up your back and exhale qi down your front. 4. As in all meditations, your mind may wander. When you notice your mind wandering, simply return your attention back to orbiting without selfjudgment. If your mind is wandering a lot, then return to Focusing Qi (step 2) and resettle your mind for a few minutes before continuing with Orbiting Qi (step 3). 5. At some point you may experience the qi moving through this orbit automatically. If this happens, simply allow the qi to move at its own pace without trying to control it.

In-Depth: The exercise “Microcosmic Orbit” or sometimes they call it “Small Cosmic Orbit” or “Small Celestial Orbit” is one of the most important exercises in Taoist system. In Ancient China this exercise was called “driving boat along the river” for the channels resemble rivers, and to drive a boat along the river, the river must have enough water, i.e. Qi. That is why to master “Microcosmic Orbit” it is necessary to have experience in practicing those exercises that contribute to generating, accumulating and refining Qi, these are Big Tree and Yang-Qigong. The human body has 12 ordinary energy channels and 8 extraordinary. The most important of them are Du-Mai and Zen-Mai that control the work of all the other channels.

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20070416112222_en.jpg”Microcosmic Orbit” is the route of Qi during its constant circulation along the channels Du-Mai and Zen-Mai. Zen-Mai channel has its origin in the point situated on the soft tissue under your tongue and goes down the midline along the chest and abdomen to the perineum (Huei-Yin point). Du-Mai channel starts at the Huei-Yin point and goes up along the back towards the head, crosses the crown (Bai-Huei point) and turns down along the front part of the forehead to the point on the upper palate. Practicing qigong we always put our tongue up onto the upper palate thus enclosing both channels and encouraging constant energy circulation along the Microcosmic Orbit. This is important from the point of personal security.

Qigong practicing generates much Qi energy. Energy stimulates the blood flow. There is more and more energy, it becomes more Yang… and starts going up, to the head. Ascending together, both blood and energy create excessive pressure in the head; it may cause headaches, brain swelling and rather serious consequences. To prevent it, energy must be routed off from the head down the front-middle Zen-Mai channel. It happens spontaneously if the tip of the tongue touches the upper palate, as the tongue like a bridge connects both channels and the energy flows freely. When we practice Microcosmic Orbit the requirement to press the tongue onto the upper palate is of a particular importance, it must be done for the exercise practice. One day it will not be needed any longer. Energy, like water in pipes, when the pipes are cleaned before the general turning on,

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will smash all the blocks on its way and train the channels… Zen-Mai and Du-Mai channels may be trained so that they will grow wider and deeper… expanding they will imbibe and absorb the neighboring channels… and one day all the body will be one unified entire channel, one entire Dantian, one biologically active point. Then the energy will be flowing in any part of the body steadily and uninterruptedly. There will never be any blockages and it means the perfect health. This is the global objective of Microcosmic Orbit. Qi energy on its course along the Microcosmic Orbit restores, cures and improves kidneys, spine, brain and the area of the Third Eye… Microcosmic Orbit also redistributes the surplus Qi directing it to the areas that have more need of this energy. Sexual energy deserves a special mention. After regular 1st step practicing it starts generating intensively and produces strong sexual desire. To avoid problems that might arise and turn your life into uncontrolled and destructive Pandemonium, the abundant sexual energy may be transformed into the “higher” and “more delicate” energies with the help of Microcosmic Orbit exercise. The exercise is simple and as Yang-Qigong is practiced in a sitting position. Chan Chuan (Big Tree) practicing accumulates enough Qi in our body. At first, we concentrate it in the area of the Lower Dantian in the shape of a sphere, just picturing the image of a red hot ball in the Lower Dantian, as we do during Yang-Qigong exercise. Then we move the energy along the Microcosmic Orbit. There are two ways to move Qi along Microcosmic Orbit: With your mind and breath; Only with your mind (not binding it to the respiratory rhythm).

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Without a teacher’s supervision it usually takes not less then three months to learn this exercise. Qigong calls it “a hundred-day base for the further practice”. During this period you have to abstain from sex. This may be quite a long time and an arduous trial for the common person, who now lives in a civilized European society and is not going to display the miracles of heroism trying to persuade his instructor in his will to study. The developing module of Wu Chan Zhong Qigong is specially designed for the ordinary secular people, having many interests and occupations beyond Qigong, so it uses special intensive methods. During the seminar class, an instructor shares his own energy with the students in order to let them feel and learn it quicker. You can also use our distance training option. However, when I say "to learn it quicker" i means "you will quicker get the sensations and gain confidence that you are doing the right thing." The sensations are not important, you'll get them sooner or later. The main thing is regular practice. Just practice, even without any sensations, they will come eventually and you will see for yourself that "it works!" But the real result is not the sensations but an ability to enter with the help of exercises into Qigong States, and further wonderful and positive metamorphoses of your body and mind, that come with it. You have no idea how much your life will change if you are able to practice "very quiet" at least 20-30 minutes daily for 2-3 months, or if you can enter "the pause" for 10-15 minutes just for 2-3 weeks! Microcosmic Orbit with Assistance of the Breath Starting position: sit straight on the edge of a chair (occupying about one third of the seat space). Tuck your chin in slightly so your neck is straight. Top of your head is “hung by the string”. Eyelids are drooped. Tongue touches the upper palate. Hands are placed on the area of the Lower Dantian, left over right for women,

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vice versa for men. Concentrate your attention on the Lower Dantian. Imagine and feel inside it a red hot ball. While inhaling draw your abdomen in and slightly retract the anus, thus pushing energy out of the Lower Dantian, down to the perineum to Huei-Yin point and then – upward, along the spine and Du-Mai channel to Bai-Huei point. You have to keep mental track of energy movement from the Lower Dantian to Bai-Huei point. Doing the described operations we make the energy in the Lower Dantian more concentrated (rising its tension), it becomes more Yang and therefore goes up along the only available rout – first, it is squeezed down to the perineum and then flows up. Tracking the energy flow we stimulate the process with our mind… for where the mind is (and an intention itself) there the energy is… Exhaling, relax your abdomen and your body, move your Qi from the point Bai-Huei down; from the upper palate through the tongue along the front of your trunk (along Zen-Mai channel) to the Lower Dantian. And mentally keep track of Qi motion. Drawing the next breath repeat elevating Qi from the Lower Dantian through Huei-Yin point along Du-Mai channel up to Bai-Huei point; and breathing out send you Qi down back to the Lower Dantian; and so on… The style of breath used in this manner of exercising is called reverse breath. In the end of the exercise imagine the red hot ball again in Lower Dantian, squeeze it into the tiny dot, pat your head and chest to prevent Qi stagnation in the head area… Massage your ears and shake your body… Practice the exercise for 30 minutes. Attention!: The pause between breathing in and out is not allowed, so Qi movement doesn’t stop in the head area. After you breathe out you may pause and stop Qi movement to

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collect it in the Lower Dantian, then again send Qi along the Microcosmic Orbit; People with severe hypertension should not to retract their anus, as it may lead to an increased blood pressure. Microcosmic Orbit with Consciousness Alone. Starting position is the same. Concentrate your attention on the Lower Dantian. Imagine and feel a red hot ball inside it. Mentally send the energy down to the perineum, then send it up to the head, then down to the perineum, up to the head… Keep mental track of energy passage along the Microcosmic Orbit as if you scan Du-Mai channel from bottom to the top and Zhen-Mai channel from top to bottom… Complete the exercise the same as all the other exercises… The time of practicing is 30 minutes. Commentary: This exercise is easier practiced in the second offered style (with your consciousness) if you “trigger” Qi movement with the breath�. And in this case, it is practiced for 5-10 minutes according to the first variant and then is continued for the rest 20-30 minutes following the second style. *** How “to watch” the channels? Watch slightly, -“seems to be, seems not to be”. You do not have to imagine the ball and its detailed journey along the “rivers” of your channels… Do not drag your sensations through the body, don’t force anything. Just run your attention along the back (you may do it along the spine or “somewhere around there”)... And one day you will feel something really moving up your back and then going down the abdomen… At first the area of sensation will be really small and it will skip along rather than being continuous; sometimes sensed, sometimes not… You do not have to intensify concentration, just remember the description of Yang-Qigong exercise practice.

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With further experience the sensations become more stable and the felt area of energy course tends to expand and grow. One day, just by turning a part of your attention to your back you will feel the entire Du-Mai channel, and turning it to your front you will have a feeling of Zen-Mai channel. In this case, you just have to turn your mental sight from back to front… feeling the energy circulation in the channels… And some time later, it may be enough just to sit in the starting position of Microcosmic Orbit and you will be able to feel the energy flow in each and every point of Microcosmic Orbit at one and the same time. All you have to do is just to sit still, watching and feeling the entire Microcosmic Orbit. This is a good way to achieve “pause” as if you were sitting on the river bank watching the waters constant stream. Even when you are busy with the daily routine, doing whatever you are doing , your Microcosmic Orbit will be constantly working and, as soon as you pay attention to it you will feel the entire Microcosmic Orbit… It signifies that the exercise has been mastered and Microcosmic Orbit has opened. Commentary: About “drooping eyelids” as an element of the starting position of this exercise: Some people insist that it is the most effective for meditation because with the eyes open, too much irritating information penetrates our mind and interferes with the State of Qigong. But they also say that when you keep your eyes completely closed it may take you to “getting into some peculiar trance states that have nothing in common with the State of Qigong”, or you may just easily fall asleep. In fact, it is better to close your eyes and not spend additional effort keeping the “slit between the eyelids narrow enough to see the light”. Strictly following this recommendation we impose our mind with some unnecessary effort-consuming rules and

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regulations. It may hinder relaxation and main effect. Do the exercises in a way that is most simple, easy and comfortable for you. When the State of Qigong comes, all the muscles, including those on your face, will relax on their own and your eyelids will open on their own, the right way for you. http://en.dzendo.org...oad=stat&cat=19 (http://en.dzendo.org /index.php?load=stat&cat=19)


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 14:57, said: intent anal lock later on, for compression etc we want to avoid imagination ________________ will add more to this later on http://www.amazon.co...duct/1470174545 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1470174545) Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu http://www.amazon.co...ader_1470174545 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product /1470174545#reader_1470174545)

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Interesting.....I used the anal lock later, as you said to try and it did feel different....It helped move the qi over and around my head then letting it go, it fell down. Yes, I do not like using imagination...I prefer to use technique and feeling, some intent (not visualization). I will look that book up, thanks SOTG! I look forward to what other goodness you post! This is a good forum you created. Its blossoming nicely. Peace


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Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 15:09, said: Interesting.....I used the anal lock later, as you said to try and it did feel different....It helped move the qi over and around my head then letting it go, it fell down. Yes, I do not like using imagination...I prefer to use technique

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and feeling, some intent (not visualization). I will look that book up, thanks SOTG! I look forward to what other goodness you post! This is a good forum you created. Its blossoming nicely. Peace Thanks man When you do anal locking-- try this: Locking the floor is what I call it Squeeze Perineum, Anal area, but relax Coccyxrelease and squeeze again Like a Pump INhale squeeze and PULL UP Exhale down into area- release the locks This will generate HEAT Pull up that heat into your LDT let me know how it works for you

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wish I could more adequately describe the crane neck motion I use for the saliva swallow - similar to that central channel activation technique I mentioned, take a potential and actuate it into the crane neck when the saliva is full and swallow around the energetic culmination of the movement....dropdropdrop thud ldt-gurgle I had to chuckle at the feeling the mco stuff...just knowing the points and executing the pattern, there's no trying.


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The methods of the five arts are all inseparable from a number of major elements: heaven, earth, and humanity; yin and yang; water, wood, fire, earth, and metal. These also produce the sky and earth "stem and branch" parameters of the calendrical system, as well as the eight trigrams and nine chambers. Among these, yin and yang are the most fundamental elements. "The Way produces one, one produces two, two produces three, three produce myriad things." The "two" is yin and yang, the "three" is heaven, earth, and humanity. Heaven, earth, and humanity also contain the five elements, each of which has yin and yang. When primordial chaos first began to open up, there was a single energy, undifferentiated and still; the energy contained yin and yang and had both cloudiness and clarity. The clear energy swirled to the left and rose to produce water, then turned into fire when it had climaxed. The cloudy energy swirled to the right and descended

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to produce metal, then turned to water when it had climaxed. Between yin and yang, at the hub of rising and descending, the centered energy became earth. So yin and yang are the governing order of all things, the parents of evolution, the origins of vivifying and killing, the seat of spiritual illumination. As for the calendrical stems and branches, there are ten "sky" stems and twelve "earth" branches. In combination, they make the sixty-year cycle. These stems and branches are all divided into yin and yang. They have correspondences in time and space, which are essential to calculating techniques used for prognostication. The eight trigrams are constructed by spatial and temporal changes in positions of broken yin and solid yang lines. Three lines make a trigram, six make a hexagram. A trigram is divided into three positions representing heaven, earth, and humanity, with a distinction between yin and yang line positions. A hexagram is also divided into three positions representing heaven, earth, and humanity, and yin and yang positions are also distinguished. The permutations of the eight trigrams produce the sixty-four hexagrams, which are used to represent myriad things. The "nine chambers" is a notation device used to complete the spatial arrangement of the eight trigrams in the four cardinal and four intermediate directions, which otherwise leaves a space in the middle. Using these basic elements of calculation, based on their mutual production and their

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extension, the natural laws of evolution of myriad things are investigated, using the present to examine the past, using the present to figure out the future. These are the tools used by the ancients for purposes of prognostication.


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 15:14, said: Thanks man When you do anal locking-- try this: Locking the floor is what I call it Squeeze Perineum, Anal area, but relax Coccyxrelease and squeeze again Like a Pump INhale squeeze and PULL UP Exhale down into area- release the locks This will generate HEAT Pull up that heat into your LDT let me know how it works for you

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When I pull the pelvic floor and anus up, how do I relax the coccyx? It seems to tighten a bit when the anus is activated.. It feels hard to inhale whilst pulling up on the pelvic floor. Hmm. I will continue to experiment.


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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 01:36, said: When I pull the pelvic floor and anus up, how do I relax the coccyx? It seems to tighten a bit when the anus is activated.. It feels hard to inhale whilst pulling up on the pelvic floor. Hmm. I will continue to experiment. think prostate instead. in taoist yoga reference is made to the root of the penis


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 13:47, said: Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt which circles the belly; it connects eight psychic centres Commonly called Chi-belt Energy ALWAYS Spirals

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Clockwise going down Counter clockwise coming up Unless you live in the opposite side to the western world Reverse that, then ___________ This NeiGong Forum has really taken off, I am thankful for that. Altruism!, and everyone working together nicely. No trolls- awesome! THANK YOU EVERYBODY! ___________ Those who are sending me PM's and Emails- unless they are personal, please ask your questions on this forum- so others can benefit from the Q&A

I took the MCO and added some spirals per this recipe....The results were immediate. The rising sensation + counter twist was FAST! Also, increased the sensation by a ton! The sinking had trouble twisting clockwise through my head until it reached my tongue, then it shot down to the LDT like lightning. Very interesting....Shall experiment more.

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joeblast, on 13 Apr 2014 - 11:27, said: think prostate instead. in taoist yoga reference is made to the root of the penis

Ahh, very helpful, Joeblast! Thanks a bunch! The root of the penis, mhm...Strange point, that one.


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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:46, said: I took the MCO and added some spirals per this recipe....The results were immediate. The rising sensation + counter twist was FAST! Also, increased the sensation by a ton! The sinking had trouble twisting clockwise through my head until it reached my tongue, then it shot down to the LDT like lightning. Very interesting....Shall experiment more.

awesome!

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:10 PM Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:46, said: I took the MCO and added some spirals per this recipe....The

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results were immediate. The rising sensation + counter twist was FAST! Also, increased the sensation by a ton! The sinking had trouble twisting clockwise through my head until it reached my tongue, then it shot down to the LDT like lightning. Very interesting....Shall experiment more.

Yep, this works wonders! A good bit of heat is in my abdomen, hotter in the LDT and my heart area...Not surprising its in the heart chakra area since I qi gets stuck there often. Lots of fullness that blocks the breath from sinking there. Anywho, Thanks SOTG!


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 15:14, said: Thanks man When you do anal locking-- try this: Locking the floor is what I call it Squeeze Perineum, Anal area, but relax Coccyxrelease and squeeze again Like a Pump

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INhale squeeze and PULL UP Exhale down into area- release the locks This will generate HEAT Pull up that heat into your LDT let me know how it works for you

I finally got the perinium (penis root) area to pull up with the coccyx relaxed! It did generate a little heat, more then heat it activated my sexy qi. Felt the good ole sexual energy tingle and burn right at the root of the penis.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:37 PM What do you think about this practice?

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NeiGong Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 08 2014 08:54 PM NeiGong, Page 4 of 12 Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:54 AM

Captain Mar-Vell ... All of dis sounds too rote. And some of it.

I don't want my tongue sticking out of my nostril. Tink I'll stick to wiz wayz. Dat way I don't know what I'm doing. Don't tink about it. It don't make sense at all.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:09 AM Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 20:10, said:

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Yep, this works wonders! A good bit of heat is in my abdomen, hotter in the LDT and my heart area...Not surprising its in the heart chakra area since I qi gets stuck there often. Lots of fullness that blocks the breath from sinking there. Anywho, Thanks SOTG! watch that heat in the heart area drop it down the front meridian


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Last night, after doing SOTG's bone breathing technique one round, the sol technique 3 rounds, 6 rounds of the opening the third eye circuit, 15 minutes of MCO in full lotus, Wild Goose 1st, 15 minutes of Pranayama, my Mingmen was burning hot with lots of pressure behind it and my whole body was burning..This has been happening about every few days for weeks now. Started around when I restrained my ejaculations to once every 7 to 20 days, this was day 12 after 20 days beforehand. In the night I got hot and heavy and had a bit of sex with my girlfriend, I attempted to circulate the sexy qi but was unable to move enough and an ejaculation exploded out of me. Came on suddenly, too fast to catch. Then, the heat in my mingmen lost allot of the pressure, my legs on the inner channels went fuzzy weak and allot of sadness came up. I think I pushed a little too hard yesterday.

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SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 11:09, said: watch that heat in the heart area drop it down the front meridian

Thats something I have trouble with. Lots of "blockages" in the heart area constrict the downward flow... Im working on it, for sure. Thanks, SOTG

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Last night, after doing SOTG's bone breathing technique one round, the sol technique 3 rounds, 6 rounds of the opening the third eye circuit, 15 minutes of MCO in full lotus, Wild Goose 1st, 15 minutes of Pranayama, my Mingmen was burning hot with lots of pressure behind it and my whole body was burning..This has been happening about every few days for weeks now. Started around when I restrained my ejaculations to once every 7 to 20 days, this was day 12 after 20 days beforehand. In the night I got hot and heavy and had a bit of sex with my girlfriend, I attempted to circulate the sexy qi but was unable to move enough and an ejaculation exploded out of me. Came on suddenly, too fast to catch. Then, the heat in my mingmen lost allot of the pressure, my legs on the inner channels went fuzzy weak and allot of sadness came up. I think I pushed a little too hard yesterday.

yes you over did it but you did learn something from it- for next time

SonOfTheGods

Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:24 PM Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 12:20, said: Thats something I have trouble with. Lots of "blockages" in the heart area constrict the downward flow... Im working on it, for sure. Thanks, SOTG drop it down from middle tan tien- in front- to lower tan tienthen

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to penis base if it still a problem, do not squeeze the floor- but drop energy down to perineum then further down through 6 feet of earth


Andrei

I already warned other people around here on these forums: too much heat in mingmen-liver-kidney whatever will create a Vata imbalance. Yes you have Qi but Qi is Vata, is too much too soon, too fast. Also the heat in the prostate will make your sperm thinner, and will cause you to ejaculate instantly because of too much Yang energy. It os not about Qi and not about circulation, MCO as taught usually on internet and books will cause you only that : to get sick. The only good thing that can happen is that your girlfriend leave you someday soon if you continue this. I know because it already happened to me. Twice


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:22, said: yes you over did it but you did learn something from it- for next time

Yea, I did. Thats ok, I learned allot. I always try and learn as much as I can from my failures..

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Now I know I need to work on strengthening my kidneys and flowing things down the Ren Mai a bit more.


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SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:24, said: drop it down from middle tan tien- in front- to lower tan tienthen to penis base if it still a problem, do not squeeze the floor- but drop energy down to perineum then further down through 6 feet of earth

Hmm...I will try focusing on the MDT - LDT - Penis Base chain...see if I can clear up some of the MDT.. Its interesting how the stuckness in the MDT over time created muscular tightness in the whole chest cavity. Alexander Lowen had that right! Thanks, SOTG


Uroboros

Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:25, said: I already warned other people around here on these forums: too much heat in mingmen-liver-kidney whatever will create a Vata imbalance. Yes you have Qi but Qi is Vata, is too much too soon, too fast. Also the heat in the prostate will make your sperm thinner, and will cause you to ejaculate instantly because of too much Yang energy.

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It os not about Qi and not about circulation, MCO as taught usually on internet and books will cause you only that : to get sick. The only good thing that can happen is that your girlfriend leave you someday soon if you continue this. I know because it already happened to me. Twice

Hehe, my GF wont be leaving me because of sex. I do not have a problem lasting. The problem is that too much qi gets build up and my system is not moving it well enough and it overflows out of my cock! EEGADS! Its bad! Haha. Thanks for the advice, Andrei.

Uroboros

Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:31 PM I was thinking about this earlier, SOTG. Why do we want to transform Jing to Qi to Shen? Shouldnt we build and purify the Jing first?

SonOfTheGods

Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:31 PM Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:28, said: Hmm...I will try focusing on the MDT - LDT - Penis Base

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chain...see if I can clear up some of the MDT.. Its interesting how the stuckness in the MDT over time created muscular tightness in the whole chest cavity. Alexander Lowen had that right! Thanks, SOTG try doing the MCO in reverse tonight start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of back/scapuladown to mingmen down to perineum


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said: I was thinking about this earlier, SOTG. Why do we want to transform Jing to Qi to Shen? Shouldnt we build and purify the Jing first? its a process enlightenment is more important than power Jing = essence

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SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said: try doing the MCO in reverse tonight start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of back/scapuladown to mingmen down to perineum afterwards let me know exactly what your LDT did


Andrei

Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:30, said: The problem is that too much qi gets build up and my system is not moving it well enough and it overflows out of my cock!

Nope. The more you move the worst will be. I let you experiment, and when you find your conclusion post it here for anybody to see it. I am not ashamed because I know the truth, which I payed a lot to find it.

Uroboros

Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:35 PM SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said: try doing the MCO in reverse tonight start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge

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to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of back/scapuladown to mingmen down to perineum

Will do, buddy teacher man! I shall report back with the results! Danke

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SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:33, said: its a process enlightenment is more important than power Jing = essence

If we turn our essence into qi and then shen...wont our body become weak? Or does the process create more jing?

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Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:35, said: Will do, buddy teacher man! I shall report back with the results! Danke good work dude


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Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:34, said: Nope. The more you move the worst will be. I let you experiment, and when you find your conclusion post it here for anybody to see it. I am not ashamed because I know the truth, which I payed a lot to find it.

I will def post my results. If your are right about the MCO, I will let it be known.


Andrei

That may work, running the MCO in reverse. just remember when driving a vechicle you use the acceleration pedal but also the brakes pedal.

SonOfTheGods

Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:41 PM Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:36, said: If we turn our essence into qi and then shen...wont our body

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become weak? Or does the process create more jing? we seek preserving pre-natal Qi Postnatal qi- and Acquired Qi-- there is more than just Qi combination of pre and post natal Qi is "true Qi" we will go in depth with this eventually


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:41, said: we seek preserving pre-natal Qi Postnatal qi- and Acquired Qi-- there is more than just Qi combination of pre and post natal Qi is "true Qi" we will go in depth with this eventually

The Pre-Natal is the key, this is true. Lots and lots of Qi's! Spleen Qi, Kidney Qi, Liver Qi, Post-Natal Jing... It definitely is a vital topic to go into...I look forward to it! How to replenish Pre-Natal Jing?

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What is Pre-Natal Qi and how to create/replenish? All things I want to know and I am sure others do as well!


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Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:38, said: That may work, running the MCO in reverse. just remember when driving a vechicle you use the acceleration pedal but also the brakes pedal.

Thats a good point, Andrei...Remembering to pause/ rest is important, just as much as acting/moving is....

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:27 PM SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said: try doing the MCO in reverse tonight start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of back/scapuladown to mingmen down to perineum

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I did 12 minutes of this in full lotus. After 10 minutes I was feeling mentally calmer, breathing became a bit stuffy, though. The interesting thing was that my kidneys feel less hot and my LDT started to quiver at the 10 min mark, it is also feeling hot. It is still quivering a little and the heat is increasing as the quivering lessens.


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 19:27, said: I did 12 minutes of this in full lotus. After 10 minutes I was feeling mentally calmer, breathing became a bit stuffy, though. The interesting thing was that my kidneys feel less hot and my LDT started to quiver at the 10 min mark, it is also feeling hot. It is still quivering a little and the heat is increasing as the quivering lessens. Do you use a grounding wire? and if not, can you?


SonOfTheGods Did you reverse breathe?

Which way did your LDT spin? front or back or not at all- can you

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tell, or not etc? there is no right or wrong answer- unique per indivdual Uroboros, on 14 Apr 2014 - 19:27, said: I did 12 minutes of this in full lotus. After 10 minutes I was feeling mentally calmer, breathing became a bit stuffy, though. The interesting thing was that my kidneys feel less hot and my LDT started to quiver at the 10 min mark, it is also feeling hot. It is still quivering a little and the heat is increasing as the quivering lessens.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 19:36, said: Do you use a grounding wire? and if not, can you?

I do not. I can use one, though. I have one connected to my computer which is not far from where I cultivate.

SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 19:38, said: Did you reverse breathe? Which way did your LDT spin? front or back or not at all- can you tell, or not etc?

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there is no right or wrong answer- unique per indivdual

I did about half of the 10 minutes reverse breathing. Its difficult for me to do reverse breathing, heck, breathing is difficult period! hah I did not feel it spin. The times when I have felt it spin, which I can if I feel internally, it goes clockwise then counter then sideways. Kinda like its a gyroscope. When I feel that sensation, my LDT area gets hot.

Uroboros

Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:29 PM After doing over and hour of cultivation for 4 days now, with a focus on MCO work and adding in the few exercises SOTG shared, I have discovered something about my body. Last night, I ejaculated again. What happened was that the HuiYin region, all the way from tail bone through to the penis, felt heavy and stuck. Kind of numb in a full way. The sexy qi would not move through this region and the ejaculation popped up suddenly. Now I know that I need to focus on restoring flow to this region. hehe, mistakes are helpful for growth, if we let them be. SOTG- would the reverse MCO be the way for me to go right now to help whatever is going on work through? Oh, I also felt something in my navel area drop into my HuiYin when I ejaculated...Like a heavy rock.

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SonOfTheGods, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said: try doing the MCO in reverse tonight start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of back/scapuladown to mingmen down to perineum

In the book QiGong Empowerment by Shou Yu Lian, he has the MCO cultivation in it. First stage is opening the TailBone Gate, inhale into MingMen, exhale into Navel/LDT. Moves at a goats pace, slowly and requires much Qi to build up to open fully. If I did this reverse, since that region (small orbit) is where I have allot of problems, would that be reverse circulation? IE- Inhale at Navel, Exhale at MingMen What say you, oh wise ones?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:24 PM Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 13:29, said: After doing over and hour of cultivation for 4 days now, with a

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focus on MCO work and adding in the few exercises SOTG shared, I have discovered something about my body. Last night, I ejaculated again. What happened was that the HuiYin region, all the way from tail bone through to the penis, felt heavy and stuck. Kind of numb in a full way. The sexy qi would not move through this region and the ejaculation popped up suddenly. Now I know that I need to focus on restoring flow to this region. hehe, mistakes are helpful for growth, if we let them be. SOTG- would the reverse MCO be the way for me to go right now to help whatever is going on work through? Oh, I also felt something in my navel area drop into my HuiYin when I ejaculated...Like a heavy rock.

Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:15, said: In the book QiGong Empowerment by Shou Yu Lian, he has the MCO cultivation in it. First stage is opening the TailBone Gate, inhale into MingMen, exhale into Navel/LDT. Moves at a goats pace, slowly and requires much Qi to build up to open fully. If I did this reverse, since that region (small orbit) is where I have allot of problems, would that be reverse circulation?

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IE- Inhale at Navel, Exhale at MingMen What say you, oh wise ones?

@ LDT, inhale and bring Qi flow to: base of penis, down to testiclesto perineum coccyx sacrum - exhale sacrum is a large inverted pyramid with lots of nerve endingsYou can hold the energy there if it gets too hot- if the flow isn't too hot/hard/heavy/feeling like it can passthen inhale and go to: mingmen and straight across to navel area- not lower tan tien. Then on meridian outside skin- bring it down to LDT and the points directly under the LDT- back to penis base. If energy flow can be maintained- doesn't feel threatening- do this route one more time- then exhale at mingmen- inhale at mingmen, and reverse it down to coccyx perineum

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LDT If you do this standing in a Goat stance- you can travel that flow to Bubbling Springs transitioning from perineum, downinhale up to perineum, etc For problematic Qi- push it deep down into earth to subliminate it before bringing back into circulation

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SonOfTheGods, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:24, said: @ LDT, inhale and bring Qi flow to: base of penis, down to testiclesto perineum coccyx sacrum - exhale sacrum is a large inverted pyramid with lots of nerve endingsYou can hold the energy there if it gets too hot- if the flow isn't too hot/hard/heavy/feeling like it can passthen inhale and go to: mingmen and straight across to navel area- not lower tan tien. Then on meridian outside skin- bring it down to LDT and the points directly under the LDT- back to penis base. If energy flow can be maintained- doesn't feel threatening- do

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this route one more time- then exhale at mingmen- inhale at mingmen, and reverse it down to coccyx perineum LDT If you do this standing in a Goat stance- you can travel that flow to Bubbling Springs transitioning from perineum, downinhale up to perineum, etc For problematic Qi- push it deep down into earth to subliminate it before bringing back into circulation

When you say -base of penis- is that point before the testicles, then testicles, then Huiyin? Edit- gave this a go. The top of my sacrum to my coccyx is burning a bit. My pelvic floor region did light up, though. Much more tingly sensation then before! less stagnant deadness. after some time, I noticed the burning is actually in my pelvis/sacrum region more then kidney/mingmen or tailbone. Also, I tried inhaling into the gate between the shoulders (behind heart) and exhaling into navel..it flowed much easier then mingmen-navel. The gate area also got hot and tingly fast. Felt a bit slipper. My spine in that region is somewhat stuck and curved, collapsing at the solar _ heart region.

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Would be it safe to, when things are somewhat stuck, to gather Qi at Sacrum?


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In Awakening the Healing Energy of the Tao by Mantak Chia, he goes about the MCO by the method- Yi guides Qi- on key points such as HuiYin, MingMen, ChangChiang, QiHai etc all the up and down. Letting the Qi flow, warmth gather, then move on to the next center until the warmth gathers there... What is your opinion on this, oh wise bums of Tao?


SonOfTheGods

Never let it stay stuck anywhere near the heart area Either send it down the front or pull it from front to back through the Qi-belt/splits and pairs off to sacrum and across down to LDT

Quote When you say -base of penis- is that point before the testicles, then testicles, then Huiyin?

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Yes.

Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:50, said: When you say -base of penis- is that point before the testicles, then testicles, then Huiyin? Edit- gave this a go. The top of my sacrum to my coccyx is burning a bit. My pelvic floor region did light up, though. Much more tingly sensation then before! less stagnant deadness. after some time, I noticed the burning is actually in my pelvis/sacrum region more then kidney/mingmen or tailbone. Also, I tried inhaling into the gate between the shoulders (behind heart) and exhaling into navel..it flowed much easier then mingmen-navel. The gate area also got hot and tingly fast. Felt a bit slipper. My spine in that region is somewhat stuck and curved, collapsing at the solar _ heart region.

Would be it safe to, when things are somewhat stuck, to gather Qi at Sacrum?

SonOfTheGods

Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:29 AM Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 21:29, said: In Awakening the Healing Energy of the Tao by Mantak Chia, he goes about the MCO by the method- Yi guides Qi- on key points

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such as HuiYin, MingMen, ChangChiang, QiHai etc all the up and down. Letting the Qi flow, warmth gather, then move on to the next center until the warmth gathers there... What is your opinion on this, oh wise bums of Tao? that's simply means = energy follows thought if you know the acupuncture points you feel them light up like a pinball game I bet joeblast will give a hellyeah lol


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 10:27, said: Never let it stay stuck anywhere near the heart area Either send it down the front or pull it from front to back through the Qi-belt/splits and pairs off to sacrum and across down to LDT

Yes.

Alright, I wont let anything stay stuck at the heart. I have to move

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things from/ through there anyway.

Ah, ok. So it is the base below the penis. Mantak Chia uses Jing Gong (sperm palace) which he shows above the penis at base. Both feel extra tingly to me. When I feel the tingly at those bases, the HuiYin lights up with tinglys, too.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 10:29, said: that's simply means = energy follows thought if you know the acupuncture points you feel them light up like a pinball game I bet joeblast will give a hellyeah lol

Ok, good. I was thinking this would be a good way to open the points/ MCO. Qi follows Yi.....Foundations of foundation. Its interesting how if I activate the tingly goodness at the sperm palace or penis base, then move on to GV-1 ( tail bone) the tingly goodness moved into it. Last night I spent some time on the tailbone (GV-1) and at a point it felt like tingly buzzing water was building behind a dam and was attempting to shoot through the dam...did not break through, though....A little bit made it through.

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Uroboros, on 17 Apr 2014 - 11:57, said:

Ah, ok. So it is the base below the penis.

no the base is where the shaft connects in the body


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 17 Apr 2014 - 12:01, said: Ok, good. I was thinking this would be a good way to open the points/ MCO. Qi follows Yi.....Foundations of foundation. Its interesting how if I activate the tingly goodness at the sperm palace or penis base, then move on to GV-1 ( tail bone) the tingly goodness moved into it. Last night I spent some time on the tailbone (GV-1) and at a point it felt like tingly buzzing water was building behind a dam and was attempting to shoot through the dam...did not break through, though....A little bit made it through.

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that's the first knot/bandh/granthis

Uroboros, on 17 Apr 2014 - 12:01, said: dam and was attempting to shoot through the dam...did not break through, though....A little bit made it through.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 18:29, said: no the base is where the shaft connects in the body

Why do you use the bottom base, where Mantak only talks about the top base, Sperm Palace? They both feel powerful and tingly.


joeblast

SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 18:31, said: a good way to get to the coccyx is visualize the Qi flow on the rectum area disagree, yi follows qi, no need to energize that. make sacrum bright instead, feel gradient from s4/5 to top.

Uroboros

Posted 18 April 2014 - 01:45 PM joeblast, on 18 Apr 2014 - 07:40, said: disagree, yi follows qi, no need to energize that. make sacrum

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bright instead, feel gradient from s4/5 to top.

What do you mean, yi follows qi? I have always heard it the other way, that Yi guides the Qi's flow..


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Uroboros, on 17 Apr 2014 - 12:01, said: Ok, good. I was thinking this would be a good way to open the points/ MCO. Qi follows Yi.....Foundations of foundation. Its interesting how if I activate the tingly goodness at the sperm palace or penis base, then move on to GV-1 ( tail bone) the tingly goodness moved into it. Last night I spent some time on the tailbone (GV-1) and at a point it felt like tingly buzzing water was building behind a dam and was attempting to shoot through the dam...did not break through, though....A little bit made it through.

joeblast, on 18 Apr 2014 - 07:40, said: disagree, yi follows qi, no need to energize that. make sacrum bright instead, feel gradient from s4/5 to top.

No No don't energize the rectum! lol Just wanted him to be aware of where the area of tailbone knot

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area is located at, and due to the large amount of blood vessels in the rectal area it makes it easier to find like if a sign that reads: "if you see the asshole keep going" LOL


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SonOfTheGods, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:15, said: No No don't energize the rectum! lol Just wanted him to be aware of where the area of tailbone knot area is located at, and due to the large amount of blood vessels in the rectal area it makes it easier to find like if a sign that reads: "if you see the asshole keep going" LOL

OK! I wont energize the rectum! I can feel some real good tingly full ness at the tail bone GV-1 area. Right above the rectum. This place is a solid spot to work on, right? Hehe, I see the asshole, must keep going......

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Posted 19 April 2014 - 10:14 AM Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 13:45, said: What do you mean, yi follows qi? I have always heard it the other way, that Yi guides the Qi's flow.. eh that was kinda ass backwards, not the right verbiage. I had

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more a concept of "mindful of" in my head...busy day at work


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joeblast, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:14, said: eh that was kinda ass backwards, not the right verbiage. I had more a concept of "mindful of" in my head...busy day at work actually though, it could be useful both ways Advanced practitioners- Yi can follow Qi flow, when those points light up = rote- your intent can follow them to discover other Tertiary minor points along the way

Advanced cultivators who eventually explore diamond and rainbow Immortal/etc body(s)- new longitude and latitude meridians will envelope the evolved auric structure(s) -all readily available to be discovered

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Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 20:51, said: OK! I wont energize the rectum! I can feel some real good tingly full ness at the tail bone GV-1 area. Right above the rectum. This place is a solid spot to work on, right? Hehe, I see the asshole, must keep going......

Yes getting past the knot the rectum, as in anal breathing- turtles do that- is also useful in advanced, the Qi flow with Yi can take it from rectum across to prostate that being said- of course there are other routes to get to prostate but in advanced sometimes it is advisable to re-route or go different ways

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i.e., to cut cords etc all advanced

though not for you! lol -not yet- eventually

though you're making good progress


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SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:48, said: Yes getting past the knot the rectum, as in anal breathing- turtles do that- is also useful in advanced, the Qi flow with Yi can take it from rectum across to prostate that being said- of course there are other routes to get to prostate but in advanced sometimes it is advisable to re-route or go different ways i.e., to cut cords etc all advanced


though you're making good progress

After doing a good bit of work on the MCO, mostly first knot region, a new sensation has occured.

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Now, when inhaling at mingmen, I feel "qi" moving up the inside of my legs into mingmen region, when exhaling at navel, it flows down legs into feet. This is consistent. Every inhale + exhale. Strongest with light awareness of mingmen/ navel Does this have anything to do with the knots opening?


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Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 19:40, said: After doing a good bit of work on the MCO, mostly first knot region, a new sensation has occured. Now, when inhaling at mingmen, I feel "qi" moving up the inside of my legs into mingmen region, when exhaling at navel, it flows down legs into feet. This is consistent. Every inhale + exhale. Strongest with light awareness of mingmen/ navel Does this have anything to do with the knots opening?

see how consistant it is with what joeblast posted somewhere on here:

Quote 1-Breathe in to drive the vital breath up from the huiyin through the governing vessel (tu mo) in the spine to the brain

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2-Breathe out to lower the vital breath through the conception vessel (jen mo) down the front of the body to return to the huiyin. 3-Breathe in raising from huiyin through CV (jen mo) to the cavity of vitality (lower dantien) continuing split in two along both sides of the belt vessel (tai mo) joining at the lower back, continuing on up to the T5 vertebra (GV11 which is the heart point of the back) where it stops 4-Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders down into the (positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both wrists, to the middle fingers before reaching the centers of both palms (PC8, laogung) where it stops (the common arm & legs channels are simply grouped together here since they flow in common direction.) 5-Breathe in to lift the vital breath from laogung into the (negative) yin yu channels on the insides of the wrists up to the chest where it stops 6-Breathe out to drive the vital breath down to the belt vessel where its two branches reunite before returning to the mortal cavity (huiyin) 7-Breathe in to lift it from the mortal cavity into the central channel (thrusting vessel, chung mo) up to the solar plexus (chiang kung cavity) where it stops; on no account should it rise above the heart. 8-Breathe out to send it from under the heart down to the huiyin where it divides into two to descend in the two (positive)

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yang chiao channels on the outer sides of the thighs and through the toes of the feet before reaching the yongquan cavity (KD1 point) where it stops 9-Breathe in to raise it from the yongquan into the (negative) yin chiao channels in the inner sides of the legs up to the huiyin and then to the lower dantien where it stops. 10-Breathe out to lower it to the huiyin where it stops. This is especially effective if you do seated meditation at night. Even moreso if you can well maintain a still heart and don’t overindulge in senses. This circulation will eventually cause the vital force to thoroughly cleanse the channels and if you are able to produce real vitality it will vibrate through all of these channels, cleansing and purifying them.


SonOfTheGods

Unfortunately My PPF Forum has taken up too much of my valuable time. This would not have been such a big deal though, had more people participated. A Regular Forum has Moderators, and can monitor it. I, being the Primary contributor- is just too much work and time. Those regular posters who were participating, my Email is:

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thesonofthegods @ gmail I may periodically open This Forum, once in awhile, for brief interludes


everything has a natural and logical, conclusion you are the only poster actually interacting and exgaging w/dialogue with me- on a daily basis. but there are hundreds of views on some threadsmany many many times more views than actual unique posters LOL so you and I could do this in Email Why should I even bother? eventually (soon) I will get bored and shut it down we can take it to Email I already have an Email List- Lords Of Ziran

originally, another person wanted to start a NeiGong forumand I mentioned to put one in his PPF (the conversation quotes are archived somewhere around here lol)

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he went on to other places so I decided to do my own idea although I also noted, to him, should the whole idea fail, he could easily delete it all the reason I knew it would fail is because, generally, people would much rather take -without contributing back which is cool but I also have my limits on how much I can be taken advantage of especially doing it all for FREE

This is also the reason why, I will never ACTUALLY take this forum past Beginner/Intermediate level, due to the fact I wouldn't start giving just a couple of people Advanced Lessons then just shut this place down- and leave them hanging doing advanced exercises. A few months later, some one comes strolling in here, and reads and practices the exercises, unattended -because I was already long gone lol they could get injured.

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SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:48, said: Yes getting past the knot the rectum, as in anal breathing- turtles do that- is also useful in advanced, the Qi flow with Yi can take it from rectum across to prostate that being said- of course there are other routes to get to prostate but in advanced sometimes it is advisable to re-route or go different ways i.e., to cut cords etc all advanced


though you're making good progress you know where the rectum is, right? sounds like you are conflating anus. not the same structure..

joeblast

Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:44 PM SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 10:35, said: actually though, it could be useful both ways Advanced practitioners- Yi can follow Qi flow, when those points light up = rote- your intent can follow them to discover other Tertiary minor points along the way

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Advanced cultivators who eventually explore diamond and rainbow Immortal/etc body(s)- new longitude and latitude meridians will envelope the evolved auric structure(s) -all readily available to be discovered yeah I didnt mean follow as in "come after"....yi, awareness, always right now, there is no coming after.


SonOfTheGods

joeblast, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:43, said: you know where the rectum is, right? sounds like you are conflating anus. not the same structure.. yeah I didn't want to get too DEEP in anal structure lol I've met many assholes in my time, so lol

Uroboros

Posted 20 April 2014 - 02:14 PM joeblast, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:44, said: yeah I didnt mean follow as in "come after"....yi, awareness, always right now, there is no coming after.

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Ahh, I gotcha, Joe. Thanks for clarifying! Sometimes my Qi moves and I become aware of it without Intent to guide the Qi...Then I can use Intent to guide it through this new way/ path. Sometimes, just let it run its own course.


Uroboros

Is there a kind of breathing that will build/store/ cultivate the kind of Qi required to transform the body and mind, to create a whole body TanTien?


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 21 Apr 2014 - 16:02, said: Is there a kind of breathing that will build/store/ cultivate the kind of Qi required to transform the body and mind, to create a whole body TanTien? Embryonic Breathing also known as Primordial, Umbilical & Turtle Breathing (to some people) = stores the elixir in LDT


Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:36 PM SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 17:47, said: Embryonic Breathing also known as Primordial, Umbilical & Turtle Breathing (to some people) = stores the elixir in LDT

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What is the method of Embryonic Breathing to store the elixir? I want to store the elixir.


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Where can I find good instruction on embryonic breathing? Haven't heard about primordial, and umbilical breathing. Read about turtle breathing in some book but don't know if it's the same thing. The turtle breathing I read about use neck movement. Posted 21 April 2014 - 08:56 PM

SonOfTheGods


What is the method of Embryonic Breathing to store the elixir? I want to store the elixir.

Quote Tai Hsi is the Chinese name for Taoist Embryonic Breathing. Also known as Primordial Breathing or Umbilical Breathing, Tai Hsi refers to the process by which a Taoist practitioner reactivates the electro-magnetic circuitry associated with the primordial “breath” that fetuses have inside of the womb. As this happens, the physical breathing process becomes increasingly more subtle, and then -- for periods of time --

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may cease altogether. In the same way that a fetus “breathes” through the umbilical cord, the practitioner whose system has re-membered embryonic breathing is then able to draw qi directly from the universal matrix, i.e. the “sea of energy” in which their individual bodymind floats.

Quote In the language of biochemistry, this process, in short, revolves around the creation of ATP within the mitochondria - the "power-plant" of the cells. If our bodies are functioning according to post-natal (http://taoism.about.com/od/qi /a/Qi_Forms.htm) principles, this cellular process is fueled primarily through the workings of our digestive tract (Spleen (http://taoism.about.com/od/thefiveelements /p/Five_Element.htm) energy) in conjunction with our respiratory system (Lung (http://taoism.about.com /od/thefiveelements/p/Five_Element.htm) energy). Through meditation and qigong (http://taoism.about.com /od/glossaryoftaoistterms/g/qigong.htm) practice, however, we can return to a pre-natal (http://taoism.about.com/od/qi /a/Qi_Forms.htm) state, in which the "battery" of the mitochondria is fueled electro-magnetically, i.e. directly via qi (chi) (http://taoism.about.com/od/glossaryoftaoistterms /g/Qi.htm) . As we consolidate our energy into the Chong meridian (http://taoism.about.com/od/themeridiansystem /a/eight-extras.htm) (the central channel of the yogic body), and open the Dai meridian (http://taoism.about.com /od/themeridiansystem/a/eight-extras.htm) , our energy bodies flow in a pattern similar to a solenoid, providing ample energy for this process. It is at this point that embryonic breathing -"breathing" through the acupuncture points and meridians --

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starts to replace physical lung-breathing. We are able to draw (“breathe”) life-force energy directly from the universe -- from the space-time continuum -- into the meridian system of our bodymind. The Microcosmic Orbit, The Central Channel & Nondual Awareness When we’re in our mother’s womb, we “breathe” through the umbilical cord, and circulate life-force energy along a continuous circuit of energy, that flows up the back of our torso and down the front of our torso. When we leave our mother’s womb, the umbilical cord is cut, and we begin to breathe through our mouth/nose. At the same time (or at least within the first several years of our new life) the continuous circuit of energy divides into two, forming the Ren and the Du meridians (http://taoism.about.com/od/themeridiansystem/a/eightextras.htm) . In the qigong practice known as the microcosmic orbit, we reunite the Ren and Du meridians to form, once again, a single continuous circuit -- allowing energy to flow in a way similar to our in-the-womb state. This is just one of many polarities (http://taoism.about.com/od/practices/ht/polarity.htm) that are resolved, en route to consolidating our energy/awareness within the central channel (Chong meridian). In the Hindu yogic tradition, this same process is spoken of in terms of the separation between the Ida (“moon”) and Pingala (“sun”) channels; and their resolution into the Sushumna Nadi (http://taoism.about.com/od/taoismglossarys /g/Sushumna_Nadi.htm) . The primordial consciousness that flows in the central channel is the energy/awareness of nonduality. It represents the resolving of all karmic polarities (and so a withdrawal of all projections) -- a state of bodymind which wakes up the dormant

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circuitry of which embyonic breathing is one manifestation. The following passages, by Nan Huai-Chin and Mantak Chia respectively, offer additional insights into this rather mysterious (though completely natural!) phenomenon of Embryonic Breathing. Please note, especially, Mantak Chia’s point that Embryonic Breathing is not something that we can “make happen” or “will to happen.” Rather it simply “happens by itself, when conditions are right.” From Tao & Longevity by Nan Huai-Chin: The dhyana teachings of Hinayana Buddhism classify the breathing of air and the latent energy of the human body into three ordered categories. (1) Wind. This indicates the ordinary function of the respiratory system and air. In other words, people depend on breath to maintain life. This is the state of air known as "wind." (2) Ch'i. This indicates that after refinement through meditation, the breath per se becomes light, easy and slow. (3) Hsi. Through the highly advanced refinement of meditation the breath becomes so slight that it almost stops. At this stage the inward and outward movement of the respiratory system ceases to function. Breathing through other parts of the body, however, is not completely stopped. A natural breath starts to function from the lower abdomen to the lower Tan Tien. This is Hsi. Later, the Taoists call it Tai Hsi (the breathing of an embryo in the womb). Some schools of thought even believe that mind and Hsi are interdependent. From Energy Balance Through The Tao: Exercises For

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Cultivating Yin Energy by Mantak Chia: You might at some point experience a quite different, yin, quality of chi experience. Maintain the relaxed, soft, slow, steady breathing in the tan tien and function only as the observing witness. When conditions are right and the chi is ready, you might discover that your physical breathing has stopped for a brief period of time. This is a very quiet, subtle transition. The subtle, refined chi breathing in the tan tien connects directly with the environmental cosmic chi. The tan tien energetically functions as a chi lung. This is called inner chi breathing or embryonic breathing, Tai Hsi. This embronic breathing can only happen when your whole being is suffused with calm, peace, and quiet, and is at the same time full of chi. This experience may provide you with some hint of the process that enables one to merge with the Wu Chi. You cannot make this happen or will it to happen. Embryonic breathing happens by itself, when conditions are right.

Suggested Reading Eight Extraordinary Meridians (http://taoism.about.com /od/themeridiansystem/a/eight-extras.htm) Snow Mountain: Our Energetic Root (http://taoism.about.com/od/snowmountain /ht/snowmountain.htm) Tonic Gold - Alchemical Elixir - Potent Support For Qigong & Meditation Practice (http://taoism.about.com/od/diet /ht/TonicGold.htm)

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then, depending on how well the thread turned out- start dwelling deeper into Turtle Breathing. However, the Forum didn't turn out well, ONLY because there are more lurkers than contributors. So the Turtle Breathing I recommend to all those lurkers is: Anal Breathing Because - Turtles breathe through their Ass

haha

Quote

Turtles can breathe through their butt. http://seriousfacts....ugh-their-butt/ (http://seriousfacts.com /turtles-can-breathe-through-their-butt/) A few species such as the Fitzroy River turtle can pull this one. By ‘breathe’ it means actual breathing, taking in air into the body, as opposed to taking it out (farting), which perhaps also features since breathing has to be two-way. This area is still yet to be well researched on.

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tendou, on 21 Apr 2014 - 20:48, said: Where can I find good instruction on embryonic breathing? Haven't heard about primordial, and umbilical breathing. Read about turtle breathing in some book but don't know if it's the same thing. The turtle breathing I read about use neck movement.

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I originally planned on doing a Thread on Reverse Breathing- then, depending on how well the thread turned out- start dwelling deeper into Turtle Breathing. However, the Forum didn't turn out well, ONLY because there are more lurkers than contributors. So the Turtle Breathing I recommend to all those lurkers is: Anal Breathing Because - Turtles breathe through their Ass

haha

Are you saying that the method of Embryonic Breathing is a step after the MCO is fully open and the breath is long, deep and subtle? Also, turtle breathing... Would that be squeeze on inhale or exhale? Such as, HuiYin/ Anus squeeze + inhale- Release +exhale The difficulty I have with reverse breathing is how much tension

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to use... Is just enough to feel pressure adequate?

Edited by Uroboros, 21 April 2014 - 10:10 PM. Posted 22 April 2014 - 06:30 AM

joeblast

The YMAA EB book is excellent, highly recommended. Its the first thing you do once you can settle your mind, basically. Reverse breathing, learn by not including the front of the abdomen. Get the internal mechanics down first. Then bring in the front. Long deep and subtle becomes longer deeper even more subtle when you stop moving air passageways. You wouldnt get much power out of the car if the cylinder walls moved around...well, maybe you would, but it would be a timing nightmare

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tendou

Do you breath like this or nearly like this all the time Joe? Then you won't smell anything?


joeblast

entrench the protocol deeply enough and it carries forth into all aspects of life. yeah, I've saved myself from smelling a few bad ones over the years from doing that

but usually I dont notice that I'm

"missing out on a given smell." that said, in meditation...smells come and go like crazy, plenty often I'll have a dozen come visit me in a session. anything from flowers to grass to an old girlfriend's shampoo, leather, jasmine...even the smell of whatever I may need to eliminate from the body...(no not crap, more like when I had inhaled some junk and sawdust, in meditation I practically puked out the scent of the lung's reaction...)

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Uroboros, on 21 Apr 2014 - 21:11, said: Are you saying that the method of Embryonic Breathing is a step after the MCO is fully open and the breath is long, deep and subtle? Also, turtle breathing... Would that be squeeze on inhale or exhale? Such as, HuiYin/ Anus squeeze + inhale- Release +exhale The difficulty I have with reverse breathing is how much tension to use... Is just enough to feel pressure adequate?

Personally I squeeze the floor on exhale But that's just me

joeblast, on 22 Apr 2014 - 06:30, said: The YMAA EB book is excellent, highly recommended. Its the first thing you do once you can settle your mind, basically. Reverse breathing, learn by not including the front of the abdomen. Get the internal mechanics down first. Then bring in the front. Long deep and subtle becomes longer deeper even more subtle when you stop moving air passageways. You wouldnt get much power out of the car if the cylinder walls moved around...well, maybe you would, but it would be a timing nightmare

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joeblast

hehe, I dont go around sweeping my footprints from the sand


Uroboros


Personally I squeeze the floor on exhale But that's just me

If I squeeze the floor in inhale, it seems to automatically pull the stomach in, reverse style. Relax floor on exhale, pushes stomach out a bit.


joeblast depends on what one's doing...

meditation I am usually doing natural. standing, reverse, esp horse stance. and mco, well, it depends what phase


Uroboros

I was thinking about this and thought you all might enjoy talking about it.

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A main goal of internal cultivation is merging Fire and Water. I realized that ShaoYin is Heart (fire) and Kidney (water)....Both the same channel. Im not sure what this means, if it is even the same kind of fire and water as in NeiDan. What do you all think?


Captain Mar-Vell ... Quote What do you all think?

It sounds most profound to me. Thank you. xxx. ...

Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 26 April 2014 - 09:26 AM. Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:07 PM

Uroboros

Today I was experimenting with a possible solution to a problem I have. At times my heart feels full and there is pressure on my chest/

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heart / chakra region. When this reaches a certain level, I feel anxious and manic, ungrounded and scattered. Easily flustered, emotionally unstable. I was practicing some Medical QiGong and the method I was doing drained the Heart Fire through the Heart Channel... So, I thought why could I not do that any time? Just use my Yi to drain the sensations in the Heart through the drain pipe of the Channel.. Well, it works. I brought the sensation into the channel and out the Jing Well cavity for Heart. After a short bit, the sensations in my chest lessened, I felt more grounded and stable. Then, I started to feel sticky thicker water moving through the Heart Channels in my arms from my chest and out the Jing Well cavity. I then experimented with the Small Intestine Channel. Started from the end in the jaw, where I have tension and the cavity there hurts a good bit when pressed. Then, drained from there to Jing Well Cavity and out. Eased the tension, pain and fullness within no time! I had a headache, manifesting in stagnation in the Triple Warmer + Small Intestine mainly. So, I drained those two and my headache went away. Thought you all might enjoy this bit of internal trickery!

Andrei

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be circulated in the 5 organs before everything else to accustom the organs with the energy. The energy is not recommended to circulate through meridians, because some of them may be blocked. Before circulating through meridians they should be opened. The best way to open meridians is stretching, i.e. Yi jin jing - tendon practice. Now in spring is the best season for tendon stretching. In summer the meridians will be opened. Normally a practice should be scheduled to be done at least 100 days i.e. 3 months i.e. One season. So you did MCO and opened the CV and GV, it is very good, but now you should stop and do other practices like the one i suggested here. Just keep the energy in the dantian warm but do not circulate in MCO with the mind. if it is opened it will flow by itself. To solve the issues with energy stagnation in heart or liver or head, i suggest you do the 5 elements meditation. Start with urinary bladder and circulate energy from bladder to liver. The moist energy from bladder will wash the liver. Then from liver pass the energy to heart. The excess wood from liver will burn in the heart fire. Then the excess fire from heart give it to spleen. Spleen likes the heat and dryiness. Stomach like the heat and moisture. The excess of moisture from liver will go to stomach and the excess of heat from heart will go to spleen. Then from spleen move the dry energy to colon/lung metal point on the left side of the belly button. The colon will melt the metal and will supply the sex organs with water in the kidney points, a little below, and from there the water energy is moved to the bladder. This circuit is circulating energy through 8 points around belly button, each point corresponding to the 5 elements in organs. You have the map of the points and organs posted a couple of days ago, but you have to understand that if you don't balance the yin-yang energy in the organs, the dantian will be unbalanced. You need to circulate the heat from the heart through the left side down and the coolness of water from kidneys and sex through the right side up, cooling liver. If you heat the liver and the prostate

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with yang energy too much this is wrong is exactly the opposite what is supposed to be. A heated liver will give excessive yang energy to gall bladder that will allways give insomnia and headaches through gall bladder meridian that goes up to the head. I suggest you try this meditation for 1 month and see what is hapening, and if everything goes ok you should keep doing it for 100 days. Charles luk made a confusion in his book, this is the falun rotation, not the MCO. Falun rotation which is the taichi simbol rotation on the abdomen is a totally different meditation than MCO. As i said earlier MCO should be done after the energy pearl in dantian is cristalized and balanced by the energy of the 5 organs/elements. I hope any beginner interested in neidan is reading this and take it to heart. Andrei

Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:58 PM The rotation of energy in the abdomen will create this flow of heat from heart downward and coolness of water upward. This if Kan and LI fusion, they meet at the middle in the dantian and begin to vibrate. As i said already the feeling should be simultaneously warm and cool and a pleasant vibration should spread through the body, organs and meridians. This the steam that is the result of Kan and LI interaction. After you obtain the steam sensation you do another meditation, which is the 8 extraordinary meridians meditation, which can be done seated or standing in zhan zhuang. Also Kan and LI can be obtained through Kunlun, because Kunlun is esentially sending the kidney and bladder energy up and heart energy down , which in my opinion and experience is the fastest Kan and Li fusion ever, the only problem with kunlun is that if you have an imbalance in the organs that imbalance will be exacerbated, and it will take a long time until the imbalance will be cleared maybe a couple of years. Kunlun is quick quick path it will show you very quick what is your problem , where is your organs with blockages, and is not so safe because it does not deal with

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liver and spleen and can create an imbalance on one side of the body depending on your personal predisposition. As a safety exit it has the 5 elements Maoshan practice, but in my opinion and experience the 5 elements energy rotation is safer, even if it is slower. Edited by Andrei, 27 April 2014 - 12:03 AM. Uroboros

Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:43 AM Andrei, on 26 Apr 2014 - 23:36, said: Uroboros, i told you already, you are doing the neidan wrong! i am sorry to be so blunt but this is the truth. Firstly the energy should be circulated in the 5 organs before everything else to accustom the organs with the energy. The energy is not recommended to circulate through meridians, because some of them may be blocked. Before circulating through meridians they should be opened. The best way to open meridians is stretching, i.e. Yi jin jing - tendon practice. Now in spring is the best season for tendon stretching. In summer the meridians will be opened. Normally a practice should be scheduled to be done at least 100 days i.e. 3 months i.e. One season. So you did MCO and opened the CV and GV, it is very good, but now you should stop and do other practices like the one i suggested here. Just keep the energy in the dantian warm but do not circulate in MCO with the mind. if it is opened it will flow by itself. To solve the issues with energy stagnation in heart or liver or head, i suggest you do the 5 elements meditation. Start with urinary bladder and circulate energy from bladder to liver. The moist energy from bladder will wash the liver. Then from liver pass the energy to heart. The excess wood from liver will burn in the heart fire. Then the excess fire from heart give it to spleen. Spleen likes the heat and dryiness. Stomach like the heat and moisture. The excess of moisture from liver will go to stomach and the excess

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of heat from heart will go to spleen. Then from spleen move the dry energy to colon/lung - metal point on the left side of the belly button. The colon will melt the metal and will supply the sex organs with water in the kidney points, a little below, and from there the water energy is moved to the bladder. This circuit is circulating energy through 8 points around belly button, each point corresponding to the 5 elements in organs. You have the map of the points and organs posted a couple of days ago, but you have to understand that if you don't balance the yin-yang energy in the organs, the dantian will be unbalanced. You need to circulate the heat from the heart through the left side down and the coolness of water from kidneys and sex through the right side up, cooling liver. If you heat the liver and the prostate with yang energy too much this is wrong is exactly the opposite what is supposed to be. A heated liver will give excessive yang energy to gall bladder that will allways give insomnia and headaches through gall bladder meridian that goes up to the head. I suggest you try this meditation for 1 month and see what is hapening, and if everything goes ok you should keep doing it for 100 days. Charles luk made a confusion in his book, this is the falun rotation, not the MCO. Falun rotation which is the taichi simbol rotation on the abdomen is a totally different meditation than MCO. As i said earlier MCO should be done after the energy pearl in dantian is cristalized and balanced by the energy of the 5 organs/elements. I hope any beginner interested in neidan is reading this and take it to heart.

Can you clarify for me how to do the meditation, Andrei? I prefer your blunt honesty in your opinions. Yes, I could very well be making mistakes/ doing things incorrectly! I accept that possibility always.

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I do see the reasons as to why you are saying its important. Are you saying that I need to circulate my Qi around my navel, starting from bottom right, up to top right, then over to top left, down to bottom left then over to bottom right? Also, is the area to circulate right around the navel or farther out from the navel into the abdomen? In doing so, the blending of the 5 Elements will be balanced? Thanks!

Edited by Uroboros, 27 April 2014 - 12:59 AM. Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:05 AM

Uroboros

I took the chart you posted in -how to cut LDT cords- and used the one that corresponds to what you are saying. The Water is at base of belly button, metal at left, liver at upper right, heart at top middle, spleen at top left, small fire at bottom left. I then circulated around my navel starting at bottom water and I did indeed feel coolness from bottom up to liver quadrant then heat from fire to water. Am I doing it correctly?

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Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 00:43, said: Can you clarify for me how to do the meditation, Andrei? I prefer your blunt honesty in your opinions. Yes, I could very well be making mistakes/ doing things incorrectly! I accept that possibility always. I do see the reasons as to why you are saying its important. Are you saying that I need to circulate my Qi around my navel, starting from bottom right, up to top right, then over to top left, down to bottom left then over to bottom right? Also, is the area to circulate right around the navel or farther out from the navel into the abdomen? In doing so, the blending of the 5 Elements will be balanced? Thanks!

Finding your acupuncture points, you can massage them, following the corresponding meridians- according to your problems

SonOfTheGods

Posted 27 April 2014 - 10:24 AM Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 01:05, said: I took the chart you posted in -how to cut LDT cords- and used the one that corresponds to what you are saying. The Water is at base of belly button, metal at left, liver at upper

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right, heart at top middle, spleen at top left, small fire at bottom left. I then circulated around my navel starting at bottom water and I did indeed feel coolness from bottom up to liver quadrant then heat from fire to water. Am I doing it correctly?

Mantak Chia: there are actually several warnings about him on TaoBums- & the forum owner Trunk also has a warning posted about Mantak Chia. This is not to discredit or demean Andei's posts I just caution people about playing around and experimenting with their Organs.

Doing a correct MCO, and Reverse MCO will automatically balance everything.

If you start bypassing meridians, re-routing energy flow, etc- it could go all bad unless you know what you are doing.

If I was your teacher in real time/off forum, Uroboros I could help you with acupuncture etc

Just on a forum I would advise you to be cautious. Experimenting on your Liver Spleen Lungs Heart etc,

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can turn into a deadly experience down the road That is what Dim Mak is


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Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 00:43, said: Can you clarify for me how to do the meditation, Andrei? I prefer your blunt honesty in your opinions. Yes, I could very well be making mistakes/ doing things incorrectly! I accept that possibility always. I do see the reasons as to why you are saying its important. Are you saying that I need to circulate my Qi around my navel, starting from bottom right, up to top right, then over to top left, down to bottom left then over to bottom right? Also, is the area to circulate right around the navel or farther out from the navel into the abdomen? In doing so, the blending of the 5 Elements will be balanced? Thanks! Basically study the 5 elements. Look at your lifestyle and say am I acting too watery, too wood, too fiery. Fix that. Check the emotions of the organs too and see what foods correspond with them. As for practice, try just doing breathing. Breathing into your lower dan tian then breath into your organs. Bruce Frantzis talks about this in his cd on Breathing. He has it step by step in one of his

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books too. I think what he should've done was make one book exclusively on breathing and make it very specific. Then talk about exclusively about the elements.

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Also check out the Element Correspondances on my McGong Thread


Uroboros

I did try what Andrei was seeming to recommend. I did feel the cool rising and the heat sinking....There was also a ton of abdomen tension and heat pouring out of my upper body. Not very comfortable. I do not know if I was doing it right or if its even good to do.

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 10:16, said: Finding your acupuncture points, you can massage them, following the corresponding meridians- according to your problems

I do this near daily. I turn over my cavities often, massage along

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each channel.

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 10:24, said: Mantak Chia: there are actually several warnings about him on TaoBums- & the forum owner Trunk also has a warning posted about Mantak Chia. This is not to discredit or demean Andei's posts I just caution people about playing around and experimenting with their Organs.

Doing a correct MCO, and Reverse MCO will automatically balance everything.

If you start bypassing meridians, re-routing energy flow, etc- it could go all bad unless you know what you are doing.

If I was your teacher in real time/off forum, Uroboros I could help you with acupuncture etc

Just on a forum I would advise you to be cautious. Experimenting on your Liver Spleen Lungs Heart etc, can turn into a deadly experience down the road That is what Dim Mak is

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I have read the cautions of mantak chia...I think he has some good information. Some of it, heck, allot of it is advanced and is easy to mess up...I do not think books/ dvds are the way to learn them. If I am moving my Qi through the Ren and Du Vessels, is that not all there is to a correct MCO?


Uroboros

malikshreds, on 27 Apr 2014 - 10:41, said: Basically study the 5 elements. Look at your lifestyle and say am I acting too watery, too wood, too fiery. Fix that. Check the emotions of the organs too and see what foods correspond with them. As for practice, try just doing breathing. Breathing into your lower dan tian then breath into your organs. Bruce Frantzis talks about this in his cd on Breathing. He has it step by step in one of his books too. I think what he should've done was make one book exclusively on breathing and make it very specific. Then talk about exclusively about the elements.

Ahh, great advice, Malikshreds! I forget the breath, at times...How potent and powerful it is. I am looking at BKF's breathing cds again, seeing where I can glean a nugget of goodness from. I agree, a book exclusively about breathing would have been beneficial.

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The MCO, is performed with or without Yi-- that is, your body does it naturally But, by performing it with Yi, it strengthens it The energy flows along major and minor meridians, vessels, organs, nadis in and OUT of your body That is why I caution people to leave what is not understoodalone. That is also why it is not a good idea to just pile energy into the LDT, and not allow it circulate to the millions of other routes If you do the MCO, and Pore Breathe daily- all will be well. Now, if you have any illness, and that needs extra care-then, it is different But for general health maintenance, do as we were speaking about

Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:38, said: I did try what Andrei was seeming to recommend. I did feel the cool rising and the heat sinking....There was also a ton of abdomen tension and heat pouring out of my upper body.

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Not very comfortable. I do not know if I was doing it right or if its even good to do.

I do this near daily. I turn over my cavities often, massage along each channel.

I have read the cautions of mantak chia...I think he has some good information. Some of it, heck, allot of it is advanced and is easy to mess up...I do not think books/ dvds are the way to learn them. If I am moving my Qi through the Ren and Du Vessels, is that not all there is to a correct MCO?


SonOfTheGods Also, work the Kua points hips and arm pits


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SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:51, said: The MCO, is performed with or without Yi-- that is, your body does it naturally

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But, by performing it with Yi, it strengthens it The energy flows along major and minor meridians, vessels, organs, nadis in and OUT of your body That is why I caution people to leave what is not understoodalone. That is also why it is not a good idea to just pile energy into the LDT, and not allow it circulate to the millions of other routes If you do the MCO, and Pore Breathe daily- all will be well. Now, if you have any illness, and that needs extra care-then, it is different But for general health maintenance, do as we were speaking about

Ok! I gotcha. One uses Yi, another is automatic. Yi strengthens the flow. Pore Breathing being through Laogung, Yongquen, Baihui, HuiYin?

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:54 AM SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:52, said:

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Also, work the Kua points hips and arm pits

Massage them or use Yi to guide some Qi there?


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Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:54, said: Massage them or use Yi to guide some Qi there? Both.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:55, said: Both.

Gotcha, SOTG. Thanks for the help! Should I keep doing Reverse MCO to help cool my heart/ flusteredness? Again today I feel a bit manic..hard to focus. I would prefer to go about utilizing this for growth, not just purging.

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Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:54, said: Ok! I gotcha. One uses Yi, another is automatic. Yi strengthens the flow. Pore Breathing being through Laogung, Yongquen, Baihui, HuiYin?

Pore Breathing: ADVANCED.......In Your Email INTERMEDIATE & ADVANCED & SUPER ADVANCED TECHNIQUES WILL NOT BE POSTED ON THIS FORUM


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Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:57, said: Gotcha, SOTG. Thanks for the help! Should I keep doing Reverse MCO to help cool my heart/ flusteredness?

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Again today I feel a bit manic..hard to focus. I would prefer to go about utilizing this for growth, not just purging. Keep doing Reverse MCO - it also preps @ "cord cuts"


Captain Mar-Vell ... I'll stay in touch.

I'm really sorry if I wasn't much help, at the end of the day. Sorry, man. xxx. ...


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Captain Mar-Vell, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:05, said: ... I'll stay in touch. I'm really sorry if I wasn't much help, at the end of the day. Sorry, man. xxx. ...

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you did great much respect you're here and contribute to the positive energy side of the forum


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SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:59, said: Pore Breathing: ADVANCED.......In Your Email INTERMEDIATE & ADVANCED & SUPER ADVANCED TECHNIQUES WILL NOT BE POSTED ON THIS FORUM

Thanks, SOTG! I shall check that puppy out once it births!

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:01, said: Keep doing Reverse MCO - it also preps @ "cord cuts"

I shall keep doing it. I will keep in touch through email with you.

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Uroboros

Captain Mar-Vell, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:05, said: ... I'll stay in touch. I'm really sorry if I wasn't much help, at the end of the day. Sorry, man. xxx. ...

You were helpful and enjoyable. Both are needed. Stay active, keep in touch, bring the plain jane pleasurable pain!


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Uroboros, on 27 Apr 2014 - 01:05, said: I took the chart you posted in -how to cut LDT cords- and used the one that corresponds to what you are saying. The Water is at base of belly button, metal at left, liver at upper right, heart at top middle, spleen at top left, small fire at bottom left. I then circulated around my navel starting at bottom water and I did indeed feel coolness from bottom up to liver quadrant then heat from fire to water.

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Am I doing it correctly?

Yes this is correct. I will reproduce here excerpts from the WLP book first chapter : Regulate the posture. Sit on the floor and straighten spine, neck and head. Remain cross legged on the floor; you can stretch or move your upper body, not your legs. Ensure that lips together and teeth are each touching, with tip of the tongue remaining on the soft palate and behind the front teeth. Holding the above position, cross legs as character as fetal position and relax the mind. Match Mother Nature's five elements and space of four directions that are the mirror of different human organs. As the human body came from earth, the natural rhythm of the earth will serve to modify organs in the body. The Heart fire character acting as the sun will go down to warm the Kidney water character embodied by the ocean. Within human body, South representing Heart fire and Kidney water in the North of the natural world communicate with each other to achieve balance between the upper and lower. The liver is embodied by the trees of nature and represented by the wood character and the direction East, The lungs are represented by the metal character and the direction West. Together the Liver and the Lungs form a middle bridge of communication assisteng in the regulation of the upper Heart Fire andlower Kidney water. The spleen is represented as earth character and is in the middle. keep the body and extremities still and relaxed so that spleen Qi does not leak. The spleen will serve as the axis on which the harmonization of

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the left, right, and up and down movements occur. ... Eyes are closed and looking within, the eyes are the window to the liver, the Hun of decision making, the Liver spirit resides in the Liver. The Kidney's opening ear listens within the body, uhe Zhi of confidence, the Kidney spirit resides in the Kidney. As the nose does not smell outside, the Lung opening nose smells within the body, the Po of courage, tle Lung spirit resides in the Lung. Silence, the tongue is not moving and the Heart becomes calm, Heart, in which the Shen of spirit, the heart spirit resides. As the body and its extremiies are not moving that is their connection to the spleen is made, where Yi of intention, the Spleen spirit resides. The Heart spirit, the Shen of activity, the Kidney spirit, the Zhi of confidence, Liver spirit, the Hun ofdecision, Lung spirit, the Po of courage, and Spleen spirit, the Yi of intention all combine and harmonize within the body. The Qi starts to move the five organ elements: urinary bladder water nourishes Liver wood, Liver wood nourishes Heart fire, Heart fire supports the Spleen and Stomach earth, Spleen and Stomach earth create metal Lung, and metal Lung turns into Kidney water, Kidney water moves back down to Urinary Bladder. This state is similar to what happened at the tginning of Mother Nature; and similar to the Qi moment when life began. At this point, you reproduce the original state of being to heal yourself. P.19-21 ...

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After the Qi and spirit move through the five organs, the essences generated from the five organs are ready to journey to the Lower Dantian to make a Jin Dan (goden pill) p.24 Etc. Closed quote. This is the same technique as Mantak Chia, except that MC wrote an entire book only for this meditation, while WLP has only some paragraphs spread throughout his book. The issues with Mantak Chias books is that everyone who read his books and practiced after them, went into a cul de sac because he didn't said the order of meditations. Only people who were instructed at his courses were aware of the meditations sequence. The first book MC ever wrote was the multiorgasmic man who contains the so called multimillion dolar poifu technique, which is a bullshit and caused thousands of people who practiced after the book, sexual health problems. Michael Winn who coauthored that book, recognized the mistake of publishing "that" technique which created so many problems. Another thing is that MC published mirocosmic orbit way before any other meditation, so everybody is thinking this is it, the core of alchemical taoist practices, which is correct but they neglect the other practices which are essential. Just as a note MC is the exponent of the southern sect of Complete Reality school, while WLP is the exponent of the northern sect. The techiques are the same, they differ in some details, the biggest difference is in the sexual practices that are not emphasized in the northern sect, even WLP is married and is having a normal sex life (allegedly) he does not teach sexual techniques.

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The 5 elements meditation in my opinion is much more important than MCO, because without it the energy body is imbalanced. According to MC, first and foremost a BaZi reading is necessary to establish the natal energy chart. The BaZi reading can determine your particular situation, which organs are overactive and which are underactive. This means that you can have an organ too Yang and other organs too Yin. Everyone's configuration is different and unique, is a combination of the energies at birth, between the Sun, Moon and Earth cycles ( year, month, day, hour and location of birth). Also BaZi reading can tell you how the energies will change during your life, in each year and each decade, so that you can know which are the auspicious time periods in your life and which periods will provide hardness. For example this year2014 is Wood Horse, and the energy of the year is Wood Yang which means everything related to wood like liver will be overactive. Also if you add that now we are in Spring and normally now the wood element is expanding, I have not a single doubt that all the troubles peoples have with kundalini awakening and headaches and insomnia caused by meditation are because of the Wood element overactive. My advice for everybody with wood energy problems, cool it down especially this year, drink lots of green tea (i myself like to add goji berries which also supports liver function) and take care of all 5 elements keeping them in balance.

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:39 PM Andrei, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:25, said: Yes this is correct. I will reproduce here excerpts from the WLP book first chapter : Regulate the posture. Sit on the floor and straighten spine, neck and head. Remain cross legged on the floor; you can stretch or move your upper body, not your legs. Ensure that lips together and teeth are each touching, with tip of the tongue remaining on the soft palate and behind the front teeth. Holding the above position, cross legs as character as fetal position and relax the mind. Match Mother Nature's five elements and space of four directions that are the mirror of different human organs. As the human body came from earth, the natural rhythm of the earth will serve to modify organs in the body. The Heart fire character acting as the sun will go down to warm the Kidney water character embodied by the ocean. Within human body, South representing Heart fire and Kidney water in the North of the natural world communicate with each other to achieve balance between the upper and lower. The liver is embodied by the trees of nature and represented by the wood character and the direction East, The lungs are represented by the metal character and the direction West. Together the Liver and the Lungs form a middle bridge of communication assisteng in the regulation of the upper Heart Fire andlower

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Kidney water. The spleen is represented as earth character and is in the middle. keep the body and extremities still and relaxed so that spleen Qi does not leak. The spleen will serve as the axis on which the harmonization of the left, right, and up and down movements occur. ... Eyes are closed and looking within, the eyes are the window to the liver, the Hun of decision making, the Liver spirit resides in the Liver. The Kidney's opening ear listens within the body, uhe Zhi of confidence, the Kidney spirit resides in the Kidney. As the nose does not smell outside, the Lung opening nose smells within the body, the Po of courage, tle Lung spirit resides in the Lung. Silence, the tongue is not moving and the Heart becomes calm, Heart, in which the Shen of spirit, the heart spirit resides. As the body and its extremiies are not moving that is their connection to the spleen is made, where Yi of intention, the Spleen spirit resides. The Heart spirit, the Shen of activity, the Kidney spirit, the Zhi of confidence, Liver spirit, the Hun ofdecision, Lung spirit, the Po of courage, and Spleen spirit, the Yi of intention all combine and harmonize within the body. The Qi starts to move the five organ elements: urinary bladder water nourishes Liver wood, Liver wood nourishes Heart fire, Heart fire supports the Spleen and Stomach earth, Spleen and Stomach earth create metal Lung, and metal Lung turns into Kidney water, Kidney water moves back down to Urinary Bladder. This state is similar to what happened at the tginning of Mother Nature; and similar to the Qi moment when life began. At this point, you reproduce the original state of being to heal yourself. P.19-21 ... After the Qi and spirit move through the five organs, the essences generated from the five organs are ready to journey to the Lower Dantian to make a Jin Dan (goden pill) p.24 Etc. Closed quote. This is the same technique as Mantak Chia, except that MC wrote an entire book only for this meditation, while WLP has only some paragraphs spread throughout his book. The issues with

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Mantak Chias books is that everyone who read his books and practiced after them, went into a cul de sac because he didn't said the order of meditations. Only people who were instructed at his courses were aware of the meditations sequence. The first book MC ever wrote was the multiorgasmic man who contains the so called multimillion dolar poifu technique, which is a bullshit and caused thousands of people who practiced after the book, sexual health problems. Michael Winn who coauthored that book, recognized the mistake of publishing "that" technique which created so many problems. Another thing is that MC published mirocosmic orbit way before any other meditation, so everybody is thinking this is it, the core of alchemical taoist practices, which is correct but they neglect the other practices which are essential. Just as a note MC is the exponent of the southern sect of Complete Reality school, while WLP is the exponent of the northern sect. The techiques are the same, they differ in some details, the biggest difference is in the sexual practices that are not emphasized in the northern sect, even WLP is married and is having a normal sex life (allegedly) he does not teach sexual techniques. The 5 elements meditation in my opinion is much more important than MCO, because without it the energy body is imbalanced. According to MC, first and foremost a BaZi reading is necessary to establish the natal energy chart. The BaZi reading can determine your particular situation, which organs are overactive and which are underactive. This means that you can have an organ too Yang and other organs too Yin. Everyone's configuration is different and unique, is a combination of the energies at birth, between the Sun, Moon and Earth cycles ( year, month, day, hour and location of birth). Also BaZi reading can tell you how the energies will change during your life, in each year and each decade, so that you can know which are the auspicious time periods in your life and which periods will provide hardness.

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For example this year2014 is Wood Horse, and the energy of the year is Wood Yang which means everything related to wood like liver will be overactive. Also if you add that now we are in Spring and normally now the wood element is expanding, I have not a single doubt that all the troubles peoples have with kundalini awakening and headaches and insomnia caused by meditation are because of the Wood element overactive. My advice for everybody with wood energy problems, cool it down especially this year, drink lots of green tea (i myself like to add goji berries which also supports liver function) and take care of all 5 elements keeping them in balance. Funny I just came from drinking a green juice. Of course, I'm careful with the type of plants. I only use dandelion greens, romaine lettuce, and collard greens. The other plants if used a lot cause a lot of problems because of oxytoxin. I grew up eating a lot of spinach and it takes away calcium from the bones. No one needs that.


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malikshreds, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:39, said: Funny I just came from drinking a green juice. Of course, I'm careful with the type of plants. I only use dandelion greens, romaine lettuce, and collard greens. The other plants if used a lot cause a lot of problems because of oxytoxin. I grew up eating a lot of spinach and it takes away calcium from the bones. No one needs that. oxytocin? If not, I am very interested because I drink it as well wheat grass, etc

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malikshreds, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:39, said: Funny I just came from drinking a green juice. Of course, I'm careful with the type of plants. I only use dandelion greens, romaine lettuce, and collard greens. The other plants if used a lot cause a lot of problems because of oxytoxin. I grew up eating a lot of spinach and it takes away calcium from the bones. No one needs that.

I knew that on the contrary, the dark greens improve calcium metabolism, especially kale, broccoli and spinach they add bone mass and are recommended for people with osteoporosis . Maybe you were missing something else from your diet. Edited by Andrei, 27 April 2014 - 12:44 PM. Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:59 PM

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Andrei, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:43, said: I knew that on the contrary, the dark greens improve calcium metabolism, especially kale, broccoli and spinach they add bone mass and are recommended for people with osteoporosis . Maybe you were missing something else from your diet.

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minute crystalline form, which has been deposited in concentric layers. http://thetaobums.co...-owners-manual/ (http://thetaobums.com /topic/34652-ldt-owners-manual/)

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 11:02, said: The Ancients referred to the Lower Tan Tien as a Pearl Why would the Lower Tan Tien be referred to as a Pearl? A solid Crystalline structure/object, compressed in layers, formed inside soft tissue, inside another living & solid organic body. That is My Definition If you open up a Mollusc, you see a slippery shiny moist substance. That is where you find the pearl Think about this, Meditate about this. This is how the Lower Tan Tien is born There also Natural and Cultured Pearl One is real and grown over time, and the other is manufacturedImitation

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Andrei I know about that

the tibetans who achieve rainbow body leave

behind some small pebbles which are actually calcium carbonate from their belly produced during cultivation exactly like oysters pearls. There is something here, but i personally believe that the "pearl" in the dantian from taoists texts is a metaphor for the light you see behind the eyes during meditation, which is like a white pearl. But this is only a stage in the taoist cultivation, maybe in time the pearl becomes more physical. Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:14 PM

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Andrei, on 27 Apr 2014 - 13:06, said: I know about that

the tibetans who achieve rainbow body

leave behind some small pebbles which are actually calcium carbonate from their belly produced during cultivation exactly like oysters pearls. There is something here, but i personally believe that the "pearl" in the dantian from taoists texts is a metaphor for the light you see behind the eyes during meditation, which is like a white pearl. But this is only a stage in the taoist cultivation, maybe in time the pearl becomes more physical.

I agree- it is metaphor and also literal like the tan tien itself it is a spiritual essence that resides in a physical cavity like truth behind the legend

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Andrei, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:43, said: I knew that on the contrary, the dark greens improve calcium metabolism, especially kale, broccoli and spinach they add bone mass and are recommended for people with osteoporosis . Maybe you were missing something else from your diet. Yeah I eat a lot of broccoli. Just didn't have balance in my diet. I tend to binge eat certain types of vegetables instead of increasing the horizon. Ate too much salt, too much pungent plants, it messes with you after a while. The other dark greens are good when cooked. Yeah don't avoid eating them. Just be mindful of how much you put in a juice.

SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:42, said: oxytocin? If not, I am very interested because I drink it as well wheat grass, etc Here you go man: http://thewholejourn...oid-and-kidneys (http://thewholejourney.com/the-best-greens-for-your-thyroidand-kidneys)

Edited by malikshreds, 27 April 2014 - 02:49 PM. Andrei

Posted 27 April 2014 - 04:28 PM I am not trying to push Mantak Chia here but i want to make you guys aware that Immortality Alchemy is serious business (metaphorically speaking and also practically speaking). What i don't like at MC is that his system is so hairy and stuffy you get

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lost in that labyrinth of techniques and names, he has a package with techniques for every need, either you want to be immortal, to be healthy or have sex (which is like a trap imho to hook people in his system). The techniques are the same, he is just repeating them at every level with more connections and more details. What I like though are his book illustrations which are very explanatory and the free material he is offering on youtube.


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Not sure where the right place for this, but lately the weather have been very hot here.

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So what practise is good in this extreme heat environment? Just sitting will make profuse sweating.


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What about sitting during the night? Or sitting under a tree in the shadow? Or under a tree during the night/ evening after sunset / early morning?

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tendou

I did try during the night. still hot unless I use the ceiling fan, or open the door or window, which is not that suitable to do in the night. Yes, it is cooler and more comfortable than the day. I am not sitting under a tree, to avoid hassle from people. haha.. I did try early morning. better but I need to wake up early for that. In the wee hour of morning. I need to go to work very early.



Mantak Chia does seem a most accomplished fellow. He has published many interesting books. But I have an enormous reading list. And I don't know if I will bother buying or reading any of them. XXX ...


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So what practise is good in this extreme heat environment? Just sitting will make profuse sweating.

reverse MCO magnetic Yin work water path energy coming DOWN all cooling = YinGong avoid the fire path - Tum Mo up/back/spine if you too hot


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tendou, on 27 Apr 2014 - 22:01, said: Not sure where the right place for this, but lately the weather have been very hot here. So what practise is good in this extreme heat environment? Just sitting will make profuse sweating. if you've been through my laogung thread, correlate the firesippin', and how it uses the yin channels... do the opposite analogue,

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relaxing inhale exhale and shed heat off the outer yang channels



I repeat for the benefit of the hard of understanding. There is nothing artificial about ME. I'm Mr NATURAL. NOT machine messiah.

XXX ...


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In this video, he talks about Yin and Yang imbalances and other fundamentals to cultivation. One thing he says at the end of part 1 and beginning of part 2 is that people with Yang Deficiency should do LDT focus and people with Yin need to do Yongquen focus. If people with Yin Deficiency do LDT, it increases Yang which burns their Yin up more, thereby depleting them even more. What say you all?

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Uroboros, on 28 Apr 2014 - 19:30, said: In this video, he talks about Yin and Yang imbalances and other fundamentals to cultivation. One thing he says at the end of part 1 and beginning of part 2 is that people with Yang Deficiency should do LDT focus and people with Yin need to do Yongquen focus. If people with Yin Deficiency do LDT, it increases Yang which burns their Yin up more, thereby depleting them even more. What say you all?

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I did not see the video because I am at work now, I will see it later but I think he is right. People with Yin deficiency first need to replenish with Yin their organs especially Liver and Kidney and then do the Kan&Li alchemy. They have to have Water energy in the Cauldron before boiling it.


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SonOfTheGods, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:00, said: reverse MCO magnetic Yin work water path energy coming DOWN all cooling = YinGong

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avoid the fire path - Tum Mo up/back/spine if you too hot Where can I learn more about magnetic Yin work?

joeblast, on 28 Apr 2014 - 12:29, said: if you've been through my laogung thread, correlate the firesippin', and how it uses the yin channels... do the opposite analogue, relaxing inhale exhale and shed heat off the outer yang channels I've been through your laogung thread. But I'm just afraid if you do the shedding of heat/energy from the laogung, won't you lose energy or qi?


tendou Enriching yin energy. How to do it?

Or is the energy coming down, reverse mco the practise for enriching yin? But if I can;t get the MCO to work obviously needs to build the dantien first.


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Today is the 14th day since my last ejaculation. I started to feel very horny, hot and manic yesterday. My MingMen also starts to hurt/ache. This does normally happen once a certain amount of sexy qi has been built up. The time varies. The first time I retained, it took 25 days to feel excessive and I could not contain it.

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I have been doing the MCO reversed, up the Ren/front - down the Du/back and it has been feeling more vivid. If I touch my teeth, they tingle and vibrate once the Qi reaches my mouth. My lips at the center and tongue also tingle vibrate. I was getting close to overwhelm tonight. It starts to affect my emotions and mind. I tried focusing on my YongQuen points because the guy in the video I shared said for Yin Def. that was best to increase Yin. I did that while watching a movie and for a bit before...My feelings of excess have decreased and I do feel calmer. Now, the Channels in my right leg ache and hurt, though. Heh, one problem after another, eh! Anywho, I am looking to find out why these symptoms happen and what practices I can do to heal the source to further utilize my sexual energy for cultivation. Thanks, all!



I have been retaining approx one month. Maybe I am accumulating too much energy too quickly. Hence the electric, tingling/benumbed hobbit feet! ps It says I've reached my daily quota of likes! Maybe it'z TIME

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to CLUCK OFF! Ha ha ha! ...

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Andrei

Now you guys learned how to do tummo.

when i did that years

ago, i got outside in the snow to cool down, it was just a little missing to put my balls in snow, haha

Maybe now you listen to this guy, because he is Chinese and has "masters" and "lineages". Don't listen to me because I am a white guy, with no master, no lineage.

tendou, on 28 Apr 2014 - 20:49, said: Enriching yin energy. How to do it? Or is the energy coming down, reverse mco the practise for enriching yin? But if I can;t get the MCO to work obviously needs to build the dantien first.

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Any practice involving breath and mind is increasing Yang energy no matter what you do, including kunlun, water paths, stilnessmovement, mopai, longmenpai, healing tao, spring forest, yellow bamboo, panda qigong etc. Yin energy: eat the right stuff, drink the right stuff, and sleep. And stay conected with nature, under trees, in breeze near ocean or lake or a waterfall, or in a cave in a mountain. Posted Yesterday, 08:45 AM

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http://en.dzendo.org...oad=stat&cat=19 (http://en.dzendo.org /index.php?load=stat&cat=19) SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 15:09, said:

Many thanks for this link and in general! :-) ∞

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tendou, on 28 Apr 2014 - 20:45, said: I've been through your laogung thread. But I'm just afraid if you do the shedding of heat/energy from the laogung, won't you lose energy or qi? dont grasp so tightly to that which you may perceive as something you own or embody

mostly the shudders are heat balancing.

the body regulates in both directions, it has many mechanisms to do either, this is just a method to enhance a certain aspect just like fire sippin enhances a certain aspect (in a complimentary yet

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joeblast, on 29 Apr 2014 - 09:33, said: dont grasp so tightly to that which you may perceive as something you own or embody

mostly the shudders are heat

balancing. the body regulates in both directions, it has many mechanisms to do either, this is just a method to enhance a certain aspect just like fire sippin enhances a certain aspect (in a complimentary yet reciprocal fashion

)

Everyone collects money, possession, toys etc.. You mean collecting, collecting obsessively with fears of losing is not good?


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can be the source of neuroticism no matter what the subject, money, qi, etc

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Posted Yesterday, 11:26 AM Uroboros, on 28 Apr 2014 - 22:46, said: Today is the 14th day since my last ejaculation. I started to feel very horny, hot and manic yesterday. My MingMen also starts to hurt/ache. This does normally happen once a certain amount of sexy qi has been built up. The time varies. The first time I retained, it took 25 days to feel excessive and I could not contain

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it. I have been doing the MCO reversed, up the Ren/front - down the Du/back and it has been feeling more vivid. If I touch my teeth, they tingle and vibrate once the Qi reaches my mouth. My lips at the center and tongue also tingle vibrate. I was getting close to overwhelm tonight. It starts to affect my emotions and mind. I tried focusing on my YongQuen points because the guy in the video I shared said for Yin Def. that was best to increase Yin. I did that while watching a movie and for a bit before...My feelings of excess have decreased and I do feel calmer. Now, the Channels in my right leg ache and hurt, though. Heh, one problem after another, eh! Anywho, I am looking to find out why these symptoms happen and what practices I can do to heal the source to further utilize my sexual energy for cultivation. Thanks, all!

horny equates to Jing trying to replenish ejaculation then leads to greaterJing loss full circle

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SonOfTheGods, on 29 Apr 2014 - 11:26, said: horny equates to Jing trying to replenish ejaculation then leads to greaterJing loss full circle

Well, I made it through the super horny period! I did about 2 hours of cultivation, which helped allot.

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Im glad my Jing is replenishing. Does this mean that when a wave of arousal/ horny-ness comes upon us, it is our Jing Essence starting to replenish and if we make it through this phase without ejaculating, we will have replenished some Jing Essence?


Captain Mar-Vell ... Lovin' dat pic Andrei! Ha ha ha!

Datz what I always say when folk tell me I haven't been eating or sleeping enough. I've just been burning the candle at both endz. on edit or perhaps that should be burning the midnight oil... ...

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Uroboros, on 29 Apr 2014 - 22:59, said: Well, I made it through the super horny period! I did about 2 hours of cultivation, which helped allot. Im glad my Jing is replenishing.

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Does this mean that when a wave of arousal/ horny-ness comes upon us, it is our Jing Essence starting to replenish and if we make it through this phase without ejaculating, we will have replenished some Jing Essence? I get it that you practise sex without ejaculation and not complete celibacy with even no thought about sex?

Andrei

Posted Today, 10:30 AM Jing is Yin and Qi is Yang. When you start practicing you increase first the Yang because is easier to work with it. Yin is slower. When you increase Yang you become horny, and if you spill it you lose both the Yin and the Yang (jing + Qi). Yang is easier to replenish, you just do the meditation and will be there, but Yin is slower, you need to eat and sleep and stay connected with the earth to replenish again. When is fully replenished, your dick retracts and becomes like a baby dick. The scrotum retracts and it became thicker like a baby scrotum. This means you return to the child innocence. But if you increase Yang, your dick awakens again and becomes horny. So the rule is if Jing is replenished the sex drive disappears. If Qi is replenished the sex drive reappears but the hunger disappears. If you loose the Qi through ejaculation you become hungry and you need to eat to replenish both. If you don't loose, you don't need to eat so much because you have both them replenished. Now becomes the third stage of alchemy when you produce Shen from Qi. Shen is the spiritual energy from what you build your immortal body. Shen is built anyway during your life because the process is automatic but because there is not enough material, the process is incomplete bfore death occurs when you loose both Yin and Yang. If Shen is replenished the need for sleep disapears, because your spiritual body exits the physical body and goes into the dream land, the spiritual realms. When this process

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is blocked somehow, vrythong is screwd up and you begin to have sexual problems, digestive problems, sleep problems. So that is why is important to have a regulate and quiet life, because your energies attune with the natural cycles, like sun and moon cycles. When moon is full, this is the time when Yang energy increase during the night and usually celibate men have nocturnal emission during this time. So during full moon is better to meditate and to keep the energy low, which means do not force the Qi. During full moon the Qi should be converted into Shen, and the Shen is visible as a white light shining inside your head in your third eye. Page 11 of 12



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Andrei, on 30 Apr 2014 - 10:30, said: Jing is Yin and Qi is Yang.

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NeiGong Calling? Probably Not Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 10 2014 12:25 PM Page 1 of 3 Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:25 PM

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How do you know when to start NeiGong? If you don't know what NeiGong is, most likely you aren't ready for it yet. You should be actively performing Qi Gong for a good number of years- and understand how to move your energy flow Instantly move it to your toe to your ear to your hand You should be feeling some heat- which is friction The heat should start to Vibrate You should be able to feel your lower tan tien in all positions, not just with your pelvis tucked in Laying down, standing on your head, any place anytime, if you attention moves to that area, you should FEEL it Not IMAGINE it - but FEEL it If you practice just on weekends, or miss most of the week, or do it every other day- and do it erratically sometimes 15 minutes, then

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40 minutes NeiGong isn't for you. You're going to cause problems for yourself Stay with Qi Gong until your schedule or your mind becomes concrete enough to work on stable foundation

Eventually your Qi Gong practice will turn into NeiGong without you realizing it

Despite what others would have you think, there isn't any important tools, vitamins, elixirs, etc you need. If you desire a teacher because you are unsure about what you are doing, then get one. If you think you can learn on your own, like I did, study and research first. Don't think in "Levels" - this isn't video games, or power levels. Think in moments, and desire Enlightenment BEFORE power. If you rather shoot lightening bolts out of your hands before you even grasp the concept of power, just go buy yourself a light saber at the toy store- or purchase a pellet gun. Don't be all consumed by trying to figure out how to "cut energy cords" to free your LDT.

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John Chang said there were at least 10 others like himself, some were Tai Chi masters. These masters practice Tai Chi- and "if" there are "cords", then the "cords" will dissolve themselves WHEN THE TIME IS READY. That's energetic evolution. Sure, we can aid and hasten Nature, but only if we are ready. If you have been "playing with chi" for less than 3 years, and now you think you are going to cut cords- you're in FOR A PROBLEM. Patience Practice Enlightenment Power In THAT order. Individuals who are power hungry- are usually bullies. They do not care about compassion, empathy- they have only one goal - Power. Examine these people, their motives, etc and you will see what I am saying is truth. POWER MONGERS: They are insecure, afraid, argumentive, and loners- anti-social outcasts (which IMO they should never own any type of weapon,

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at all - period) and believe the Answer to all their problems is ultimate chi power. Watch their lives crumble and their minds grow more paranoid long before any chi power rescues them.

This is science, not religion. Power is not your redeemer or saviour. If you feel I am wrong- please DO NOT POST ON MY FORUM.


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I worked a lot of Magick in my lifetime. A LOT. Lodges, Covens, Groups, Seminars, Retreats, Classes, Lectures Invocations, Evocations, Circles Triangles Squares/Cubes, Tesseracts and every Polygon you could imagine, and some you could not. Every religion, every diety, every yoga, every pantheon, every hierarchy I had the weirdest experiences known to man- I seen it all, I did it all

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Ghosts Vampires Lycans- you bet Psychic PSI thieves and blood drinkers psychedlic to celibate There is a sub culture and underground Reality is at levels Interdimensional and Extraterrestrial Amateur fighting, Professional MMA, Powerlifting, Self Defense Classes ALL ENERGY EXCHANGES I HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE. I am willing to teach if you are willing to learn FREE After awhile, my chi practice went to NeiGong all by itself. How did I know when the transition took place? When I was Full Lotus and the Qi Jing Shen burns and vibrates so hard and so bad- it scares and rocks you This isn't your I <3 CHI bumpersticker Qi Gong!

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BaguaKicksAss They have I <3 chi bumperstickers?!


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BaguaKicksAss, on 10 Apr 2014 - 13:17, said: They have I <3 chi bumperstickers?! lol I hope not


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maheosphet

While I agree with most of what you say I do not like this:

Quote Despite what others would have you think, there isn't any important tools, vitamins, elixirs, etc you need.

Which could be misconstrued, because a clean pineal gland is

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important, and it can take a while to clean. The cleansing can leech the body of minerals, which should be replaced. Other than that great post.


tendou 3 question.

1. How to make your chi practice become neigong? 2. Which practice or how to make so that you don't need strict celibacy or retention? 3. What about going from shen, qi, jing?how? Edited by tendou, 10 April 2014 - 09:26 PM. Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:54 PM

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tendou, on 10 Apr 2014 - 20:28, said: 3 question. 1. How to make your chi practice become neigong? 2. Which practice make you don't need strict celibacy of retention? 3. What about going from shen, qi, jing?

1. That's answered in the OP

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2. Jin Dan the golden elixir . The LDt is created through breathing practice and semen retention- so the ancients said. However, use moderation 3. Transmutation, sublimation etc all happen through dedicated practice.


SonOfTheGods Quote Charles Luk transl.:

It is absolutely wrong to keep the vital principle in the lower belly or to prevent it from ftowing freely in the eight psychic channels. When it has accumulated in the belly, it is advisable to shift one's concentration to the 'central spot' so that it can be put into the main orbit. For this reason, in the first volume of our Ch'an and Zen Teaching Series—^p. 56, note 4—we recommended concentration on the spot between the navel and the pit of the stomach but could not, for lack of space, deal with the subject fuUy. It is said that when the vital principle flows freely in all the psychic channels, it permeates first the marrow in the bones, then the nervous system, the flesh and inner organs and finally the skin, thus subHmating the whole body. This perhaps explains the preservation through the ages of the bodies of

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great masters which were only plastered with a thin layer of rosin mixed with gold powder and dust of sandalwood. This may also explain the presence of rehcs in the ashes of the cremated bodies of enhghtened monks. The unhindered flow of the vital principle in the eight psychic channels, as explained in Yin Shih Tsu's book, was known to all Taoists whose prime objective was to reaUze it in their training with a view to attaining immortaHty.

Quote We know now that controlled breathing produces prana which can be accumulated either in the lower belly or in the solar plexus. When enough of this vital principle is stored, it generates heat which produces vibration. According to the Taoist method, the practiser should, at the start of each meditation, massage his loins and the spine between them down to the coccyx until that area is very warm, or visuaUze the vital principle in the belly as descending to the perineum and breaking through the coccyx, the first of the three psychic gates, the other two being between the kidneys and in the back of the head. If heat is felt in the base of the spine, this shows that the first gate is being forced through, and there will be no great difficulty for it to ascend through the second one and along the backbone to the occiput, through which it is very difficult to pass. If he perseveres in his training, the third gate will be forced open and prana will ascend to the crown of the head, and the rest of the circuit will be completed in due course as explained by Yin Shih Tsu.


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tendou, on 10 Apr 2014 - 20:28, said:

2. Which practice or how to make so that you don't need strict celibacy or retention? 3. What about going from shen, qi, jing?how? Celibacy is something useful in the beginning and intermediate stages. Until the Jin Tan = golden pill/elixir is formed. For me personally, semen retention is not necessary. I feel a tug on my Mingmen which tells me my flow is a go, and all is well. Advanced stages allows insight into the mechanics of your own body, as each person is different. -------------The Pelvis renews bone marrow- so bone and marrow breathing is essential

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SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 12:14, said: The Pelvis renews bone marrow- so bone and marrow breathing is essential Bone marrow = red blood cells = which carry oxygen so you can see the grand scheme of things


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Yesterday, I seen a guy I know from the gym. We aren't buddies, but acquaintances as we see each other only during gym time. We sometimes spot each other, friendly, superficial chit chat- that sort of gym rat camaraderie. I haven't seen him in a few days.

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Check this out: About 8 or 9 days ago- I was getting out of the sauna. I was in there for about 25 minutes, always sitting in full lotus in the sauna- circulating energy, in reverse MCO -magnetic, cooling Yi. Wooden floorboards, concrete slab underneathe it. Good Yi absorption. As I was getting out of the sauna, the guy I mentioned above, was passing me and said "have a good weekend" , and, as he was passing me by, he reached around sort of quickly and sloppily to sort of pat my shoulder, by extending his arm back and out. It took me unexpectedly, sort of startled, as I was sort of groggy still from the steam and the meditation of the sauna. When he did that- my mingmen jolted and I felt an electric charge go right into the area he had slapped. As he was leaving I turned around real quick and he said "wow my shoulder is really sore I'm getting too old for this stuff" and sort of laughed. I haven't seen him since that day, then he showed up yesterday at the gym, to pay his monthly gym dues, with the same arm in a sling. I asked him what happened. He said "hey remember that day when I seen you in the locker room and said have a good one?" "Well I must have over hyper extended my shoulder, must have

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been tight, my rotator cuff er something like that. I was driving out of the parking lot when I felt like a sharp pinching burning pain right under my arm pit." "Later on that night the lymph gland swelled up, and I couldn't even put underarm deodorant on after my shower. It's one of those weird things that you are fine one minute working out then you do something minor, and bang your shoulder craps out". I asked him if it was his rotator cuff but he said the chiropractor said it was fine. Just some inflammation in the posterior anterior and lateral deltoid head, probably. The lymph gland swelling has since decreased and isn't as sore to the touch, no fever, no infection. So he said he was just going to rest up and heal, then come back and workout lighter for the next few days. I told him- maybe put some of the IceyHot ointment around the shoulder and he said that's what the ache feels like already- hot burning coldness radiating up and down his hand wrist, forearm to the armpit, shoulder and upper lat area. I told him, "ok -well take it easy, and if it keeps acting up, maybe get some Acupuncture". He just sort of shrugged and nodded. That was that.

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SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 12:14, said: Celibacy is something useful in the beginning and intermediate stages. Until the Jin Tan = golden pill/elixir is formed. For me personally, semen retention is not necessary. I feel a tug on my Mingmen which tells me my flow is a go, and all is well. Advanced stages allows insight into the mechanics of your own body, as each person is different. -------------The Pelvis renews bone marrow- so bone and marrow breathing is essential

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Now, this is amazing! How do you form the Jin Tan? Do you have a sex drive? Do you ejaculate at all or is that reflex gone? I put allot of work into my sexy qi and restraining ejaculation, learning how to cultivate this Jin Tan sounds vital. Peace


tendou Charles Luk transl.:

It is absolutely wrong to keep the vital principle in the lower belly or to prevent it from ftowing freely in the eight psychic channels. When it has accumulated in the belly, it is advisable to shift one's concentration to the 'central spot' so that it can be put into the main orbit.

Where is this central spot? What does keeping the vital principle in the lower belly means and how to avoid that? Edited by tendou, 12 April 2014 - 12:48 AM. tendou

Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:46 AM How to convert from shen into qi, into jing? Edited by tendou, 12 April 2014 - 12:50 AM.

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Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 00:01, said: Now, this is amazing! How do you form the Jin Tan? Do you have a sex drive? Do you ejaculate at all or is that reflex gone? I put allot of work into my sexy qi and restraining ejaculation, learning how to cultivate this Jin Tan sounds vital. Peace The Jin Tan is the LDT It is created via the exercises I give here Cultivating, TaiChi, Meditation, MCO Seminal Retention is useful in the beginning and intermediate stages. If you have to release, just do not over do it. In other words- don't masturbate 10 times lol If I orgasm, I can still cultivate a few minutes later. But I have been doing this for almost 40 years

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tendou, on 12 Apr 2014 - 00:42, said: Charles Luk transl.: It is absolutely wrong to keep the vital principle in the lower belly or to prevent it from ftowing freely in the eight psychic channels. When it has accumulated in the belly, it is advisable to shift one's concentration to the 'central spot' so that it can be put into the main orbit.

Where is this central spot? What does keeping the vital principle in the lower belly means and how to avoid that? This means, do the MCO and do not concentrate ONLY on the lower Tan Tien. There are some beliefs which have become like religion, that say only cultivate the LDT and don't perform the MCO The Middle Tan Tien begins the Shen conversion, which ends up in the Niwan, Crown, and then back down. Once the Tum Mo and the Jen Mo develop, then comes the power of the central pillar or TaiJi Pole

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Some people employ various techniques to develop Jin Tan = Golden Pill = Elixir Field = Lower Dan/Tan Tien Alchemy, elixirs, Ginseng, etc It can get very dangerous and expensive. Set aside a couple of hours daily, and cultivate. Once *YOU* are ready, it will happen.


tendou

SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 10:10, said: The Jin Tan is the LDT It is created via the exercises I give here Cultivating, TaiChi, Meditation, MCO Seminal Retention is useful in the beginning and intermediate stages. If you have to release, just do not over do it. In other words- don't masturbate 10 times lol If I orgasm, I can still cultivate a few minutes later.

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But I have been doing this for almost 40 years

What about the famous "you shouldn't cultivate 72 hours after ejaculation" stuff? Myth or truth?


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tendou, on 12 Apr 2014 - 11:13, said: What about the famous "you shouldn't cultivate 72 hours after ejaculation" stuff? Myth or truth? I would wait a couple of days at beginner and intermediate stages Mostly because you won't be feeling too much energy at all, and try to push too hard, that's the danger If you want to meditate, that's fine, just no compression etc


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 10:13, said: This means, do the MCO and do not concentrate ONLY on the lower Tan Tien. There are some beliefs which have become like religion, that say only cultivate the LDT and don't perform the MCO The Middle Tan Tien begins the Shen conversion, which ends up in the Niwan, Crown, and then back down. Once the Tum Mo and the Jen Mo develop, then comes the

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power of the central pillar or TaiJi Pole

Intersting about middle dantien doing shen conversion. There was a time I was concentrating on LDT and energetic sensation comes inside the area of middle dantien. And some sensation on forehead skin area.

SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 10:17, said: Some people employ various techniques to develop Jin Tan = Golden Pill = Elixir Field = Lower Dan/Tan Tien Alchemy, elixirs, Ginseng, etc It can get very dangerous and expensive. Set aside a couple of hours daily, and cultivate. Once *YOU* are ready, it will happen.

Would just doing sitting still meditation counts as cultivating? When you do sitting meditation, what do you suggest to focus on? Full Lotus mandatory?


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If you want to feel HEAT in your lower Tan Tien, and haven't yet- try this ABSTAIN FROM ALL SOLID FOOD FOR AT LEAST 30 HOURS

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Then cultivate if you have been cultivating for a substantial period of time, you might finally feel HEAT/Friction


SonOfTheGods Quote Quote

Marks of Glory, on 22 Mar 2014 - 01:50, said: (http://thetaobums.com/index.php?app=forums& module=forums§ion=findpost&pid=533323) the 'mysterious female aperture' is mentioned in the tao teh ching. On Long Men Pai it is said that this "aperture" is found half way between the Heart (representing Heaven here) and the Navel / Kidneys (Representing Earth). i.e. the mysterious female aperture is localized on the solar plexus, on the stomach area. If I'm not mistaken there a stage on the practice in which the adept must hold his intent and qi higher than the navel but lower than the heart, until the qi will spontaneosly enter into this cavity.

SonOfTheGods Wrote: All very real, and not allegory.

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Mine protrudes about 1.5 inches, and is round. I can make it pop in and out, very easily, over and over.

When I put focus on my lower Tan Tien, immediately the flow surges into it, Shanzhong heats, Vagus nerve on right side of neck pulsates, my lower lip goes numb/tingles and my false and true (and middle) 3rd eye/Niwan starts to swell. Lingtai, BaiHui pulses and Laogong, Daling Points heat and ignite all the way to Yong quan/Bubbling Springs. Huiyin, Qihai, Wei lu, Mingmen throbs and Tan Tien MCO reverses. Few minutes later the energy sublimates and little death visits. http://thetaobums.co...n-pai/?p=535606 (http://thetaobums.com /topic/34127-minor-death-in-longmen-pai/?p=535606)


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tendou, on 12 Apr 2014 - 11:19, said: Intersting about middle dantien doing shen conversion. There was a time I was concentrating on LDT and energetic sensation comes inside the area of middle dantien. And some sensation on forehead skin area.

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Would just doing sitting still meditation counts as cultivating? When you do sitting meditation, what do you suggest to focus on? Full Lotus mandatory? Focus on stillness, breath and LDT- in meditating would be cultivating The Alpha State enhances LDT formulation If you want to be a serious cultivator, and not just as a hobby FULL LOTUS ALL THE WAY practice practice practice


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 11:18, said: I would wait a couple of days at beginner and intermediate stages Mostly because you won't be feeling too much energy at all, and try to push too hard, that's the danger If you want to meditate, that's fine, just no compression etc i learned this the hard way! felt like getting stabbed in the groin with a hot knife...not fun dropped straight to my knees.

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After a period of years, these are the signs to WATCH: Mingmen jumps, spasms, aches Between the shoulder blades- Scapula= LingTai ***(don't forget to Bone Breath these and the Clavicles and Rib Cage!) spasms Right Hand- Laogong and wrist Daling points BURN BAD- then at other times, feels like an orgasm in your wrist Shanzhong gets fluttering and warm Left foot starts to cramp, ache, burn, numb- even if not in Full Lotus Left Big Toe Burns

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:22 PM haha, orgasm in wrist. that's what it feels like when it becomes necessary to strike. that reason, thankfully, seldom happens. (so what do you call that when it happens at the niwan?

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:27 PM joeblast, on 12 Apr 2014 - 12:22, said: haha, orgasm in wrist. that's what it feels like when it becomes necessary to strike. that reason, thankfully, seldom happens. (so what do you call that when it happens at the niwan?

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a female orgasm LOL


SonOfTheGods The Pelvis:

Bone Breath this bone marrow renewal machine It will vibrate like a Tibetan Bowl It will open the Coccyx and Sacrum/upside down pyramid Also the Kua points in the hip joints will thank you

One of the things about the Pelvis is that when you are doing right- YOU WILL KNOW ABOUT IT Your Testicles will feel as if they are breathing The base of the Penis is where strong meridians lie dormant- but is a strong area to focus on. From LDT and several other non-points down to that base area This is basic even for the females

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"Home" of the LDT


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Is the bone breathing you are talking about the kind found in Wayson Liaos Taichi Classics? Or is it more of breathing into the bones?

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Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 12:41, said: SOTGIs the bone breathing you are talking about the kind found in Wayson Liaos Taichi Classics? Or is it more of breathing into the bones? I have some other techniques but those Classics are NECESSARY READING. Charles Luk's books too Eventually will be adding the techniques

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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 12:27, said: a female orgasm LOL just there, nowhere else, not the same thing


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joeblast, on 12 Apr 2014 - 13:55, said: just there, nowhere else, not the same thing when my Kundalini popped it felt like that thought I was dead I might have been lol


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 19:20, said: Qi has it's own unique consciousness.

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It can: provide, improve; defend, attack, protect, bring conscious and subconscious desires, teach, sustain, drain, coordinate, control, burn, freeze, repel, attract, power, strength, speed, agility, stamina, intelligence, health, wealth & magick This is why science will never decode what Qi, really is Sure science can duplicate and replicate various components of Qi- but will never dissect it to the point where science can create it synthetically. Weaponised Qi is dangerous

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A sacred marriage and union of bliss: Inhale through nostrils using throat frictionvisualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through your nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin on your forehead exhale the breathe and see it swirl at your hairline recall what I said about energy on another thread spirals and rotation according to your location inhale and pull that energy under your scalp skin, just touching the circumference of your skull, exhaling at the jade pillow, approximately at the occipital points inhale again and push the energy straight down the Tum Mo channel into your Mingmen and exhale hard at that point again swirls etc

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These particular Meridians are useful in 3rd Eye activation.

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Andrei Do you have it opened?

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a meditation that starts the energizing and opening is to draw energy from the crown to the dantien. this act will open and energize the dantien as well as the third eye. how to do this: while getting ready for meditation and energy work focus on the pineal gland

not a hard focus just a light one. then focus on the energy of peace, and love. one then the other. after these permeate the brain focus on the dantien then commence to drawing energy from the crown down to the dantien. the third eye will not open till you have stored and compressed enough yang energy to cause the breakthrough.

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afterwards when time to mix yin and yang comes all powers will be amplified!


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Andrei, on 12 Apr 2014 - 17:03, said: Do you have it opened?

Anyone who has been seriously cultivating for a few years should have it "opened". What I was going to explain, I started but you jumped ahead lolThe meridians I showed up above in this thread are important in the work up & make up to this process. It is a process. The Niwan- Thalamus Pineal Pituitary - in conjunction with the Bai Hui and the central channel flowing- all keep the MindOpen/Flowing. To separate new age myth from the real third eye awakening, and to understand this: Pigeons have a magnetic crystalline structure that guide them = Magnetoception Bats use Echolocation/sonar to guide them A blind man sharpens, naturally all his other senses, to still be

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able to "see"

Quote Magnetoception has been observed in bacteria, in invertebrates such as fruit flies, lobsters and honeybees. It has also been demonstrated in vertebrates including birds, turtles, sharks and stingrays.


Andrei what do you see with it?


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Andrei, on 12 Apr 2014 - 18:00, said: what do you see with it? I could write volumes on that. A little at a time we will discuss the attributes, otherwise this forum turns into my autobiography lol


SonOfTheGods Anyone work Kunlun? Red Phoenix I II III ? YiGong?

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MERCELESS ONE, on 12 Apr 2014 - 17:22, said: a meditation that starts the energizing and opening is to draw energy from the crown to the dantien. this act will open and energize the dantien as well as the third eye. how to do this: while getting ready for meditation and energy work focus on the pineal gland

not a hard focus just a light one. then focus on the energy of peace, and love. one then the other. after these permeate the brain focus on the dantien then commence to drawing energy from the crown down to the dantien. the third eye will not open till you have stored and compressed enough yang energy to cause the breakthrough. !! WARNING WARNING !! also i would like to point out, never ever never ever ever ever ever focus energy to any other part of the brain!!! head aches, insomnia, and a host of other ailments will occur your only focus should be to relax the brain.. please take heed to this warning.

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MERCELESS ONE, on 12 Apr 2014 - 19:50, said: !! WARNING WARNING !! also i would like to point out, never ever never ever ever ever ever focus energy to any other part of the brain!!! head aches, insomnia, and a host of other ailments will occur your only focus should be to relax the brain.. please take heed to this warning. yeah I got a nosebleed and a headache from hell several times from that many years ago good warning there


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 19:52, said: yeah I got a nosebleed and a headache from hell several times from that many years ago good warning there for me it was a serious headache after which kept me up all night till i sat in meditation then drained all the energy back to the dantien, took bout 45 min felt like my eyes were gonna pop lol not funny then but now when i look back on it..

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 08:04 PM MERCELESS ONE, on 12 Apr 2014 - 20:01, said: for me it was a serious headache after which kept me up all night till i sat in meditation then drained all the energy back to

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the dantien, took bout 45 min felt like my eyes were gonna pop lol not funny then but now when i look back on it.. Exactly- that's the way it is drained/siphoned- circulate back to LDT via MCO or shortcut via central Taiji channel

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** TO NOTE ** opening the third eye is a continual process that gains more clarity with practice. as your energy builds the more potential you have for greater sight but thats not the end. sight/ spiritual sight is as much related to the physical world and knowledge as it is to the spiritual world and the knowledge there of. its not something that will just all of a sudden happens and then you have " super psychic " vision it happens over time. most practisioners will have no idea what they are seeing and how to interpret it, and thats where knowledge comes in. so be patient keep studying and practice practice practice!!


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The 3rd eye consists of 3 components 2 are not-the-true-third-eye and the actual location of said "true third eye"- is in the area of the front hairline between your eyebrows at the bridge of the nose is NOT the 3rd eye

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there is also a true and false lower Tan Tien

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that is true! while meditating one may think the third eye is the spot on the forehead that vibrat/pulses/feels like somtning is moving or spiraling. but in fact this is only pressure caused by the real third eye being energized. so that feeling is a side effect not the actual alchemical process.

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Opening Third Eye Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 12 2014 12:43 PM Third Eye, Page 2 of 5 Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:28 AM

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A sacred marriage and union of bliss: Inhale through nostrils using throat frictionvisualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through your nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin on your forehead exhale the breathe and see it swirl at your hairline recall what I said about energy on another thread spirals and rotation according to your location inhale and pull that energy under your scalp skin, just touching the circumference of your skull, exhaling at the jade pillow, approximately at the occipital points inhale again and push the energy straight down the Tum Mo channel into your Mingmen and exhale hard at that point again swirls etc

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inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the floor as you exhale one long inhale and reverse the whole procedure do it again 10 cycles share on here what you felt This is Mine- you will not find these Instructions, anywhere


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interesting lightup of the mingmen-yinjiao(cv7) bringing it back down. part of that preparatory lower loop of "small-small" circulation (see 3dt mco.)

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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 10:28, said: A sacred marriage and union of bliss: Inhale through nostrils using throat frictionvisualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through your nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin on your forehead exhale the breathe and see it swirl at your hairline recall what I said about energy on another thread spirals and rotation according to your location inhale and pull that energy under your scalp skin, just touching the circumference of your skull, exhaling at the jade pillow, approximately at the occipital points inhale again and push the energy straight down the Tum Mo channel into your Mingmen and exhale hard at that point again swirls etc inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the floor as you exhale one long inhale and reverse the whole procedure do it again 10 cycles

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share on here what you felt This is Mine- you will not find these Instructions, anywhere

I did it 3 times(forwards and backwards), my mingmen started to hurt a bit/ feels cold, my head feels more relaxed/ expansive and my mind is a bit clearer. I will do it some more and see what else happens!


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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:32, said: I did it 3 times(forwards and backwards), my mingmen started to hurt a bit/ feels cold, my head feels more relaxed/ expansive and my mind is a bit clearer. I will do it some more and see what else happens! ok- just go slow a little at a time this way if you have any ill effects, we can troubleshoot

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 05:53 PM Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:32, said: I did it 3 times(forwards and backwards), my mingmen started

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to hurt a bit/ feels cold, my head feels more relaxed/ expansive and my mind is a bit clearer. I will do it some more and see what else happens!

Now, there are 2 theories on why the Mingmen can hurt. 1. There is not enough Qi and the Mingmen is overworking 2. Mingmen is now awakening and/or any spine injury you had in the past is healing. Also there are some blockages that is being worked. So that's why i said go slow


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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 17:53, said: Now, there are 2 theories on why the Mingmen can hurt. 1. There is not enough Qi and the Mingmen is overworking 2. Mingmen is now awakening and/or any spine injury you had in the past is healing. Also there are some blockages that is being worked. So that's why i said go slow

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hurting (sharp burning) for a few months now. My kidney area either feels burning tingly or cold, it cycles. We shall see! I will go slow, a few reps at a time....I seem to need to do that for most practices anyway.


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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 18:43, said: My mingmen area and sacrum hurt on and off at times. My mingmen started hurting/ burning about 1 and a half years into my training, at a infrequent pace. The top of my sacrum has been hurting (sharp burning) for a few months now. My kidney area either feels burning tingly or cold, it cycles. We shall see! I will go slow, a few reps at a time....I seem to need to do that for most practices anyway. from my experience sometimes this happens when dehydrated and rehydrating. after masturbation or sex this could happen. staying hydrated helped me nullify all the pains i would feel. so i drink a gallon of water or more every day especially when i workout. this also goes for if you drink alcohol, or any substance that is toxic or slightly toxic that heats the body up and depletes water. if you drink coffee or alot of soda you really wanna cut down or stop. i cut down alot on the coffee drinking. never really liked sodas.

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MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:18, said: from my experience sometimes this happens when dehydrated and rehydrating. after masturbation or sex this could happen. staying hydrated helped me nullify all the pains i would feel. so i drink a gallon of water or more every day especially when i workout. this also goes for if you drink alcohol, or any substance that is toxic or slightly toxic that heats the body up and depletes water. if you drink coffee or alot of soda you really wanna cut down or stop. i cut down alot on the coffee drinking. never really liked sodas.

I drink allot of water, 6 - 8 8oz cups a day, purified by reverse osmosis. I do have sex regularly, I do not ejaculate (inward or outward). My ejaculation frequency is about..7 - 20 days. Im nearing a consistency of 12 - 20. You are right about the water and sex, it can mess everything up if not taken care of! My vice is sweet tea....LAWD I LOVE IT!!!! Uggh. I drink more water to compensate when I do drink z tea...

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:36 PM Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 18:43, said: My mingmen area and sacrum hurt on and off at times. My mingmen started hurting/ burning about 1 and a half years into my training, at a infrequent pace. The top of my sacrum has been hurting (sharp burning) for a few months now.

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My kidney area either feels burning tingly or cold, it cycles. We shall see! I will go slow, a few reps at a time....I seem to need to do that for most practices anyway.

I did this practice again and noticed that the top of my sacrum, where the hips end and the spine gap starts, is what hurt the most.


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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:25, said: My vice is sweet tea....LAWD I LOVE IT!!!! Uggh. I drink more water to compensate when I do drink z tea... im a tea person myself, i drink a mixture of green tea, yerbamate, bamboo tea. sometimes i throw hibiscus in the mix.


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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:36, said: I did this practice again and noticed that the top of my sacrum, where the hips end and the spine gap starts, is what hurt the most. you may need to streatch and open up the hips, lower spine and groin. i notice a difference in my practice when i do really good stretching before hand.

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MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:37, said: im a tea person myself, i drink a mixture of green tea, yerbamate, bamboo tea. sometimes i throw hibiscus in the mix.

Hehe, I love true tea! Not just the sugar filled blaspheme that is sweet tea! Tuo Cha Pu-erh...Its godly. Have you tried it? Oolongs are my second favorite...mmm, a nice WuYi Oolong...Oh yea...


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MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:40, said: you may need to streatch and open up the hips, lower spine and groin. i notice a difference in my practice when i do really good stretching before hand.

Oh, definitely. I have lots of problems in my hips. They are twisted and pulled, which pulls my ribcage and spine. Lots O fun there. Its an ongoing process, amigo. Yoga has been amazing for this, though. I recommend it highly, so long as you use the asanas as forms for the mind and breath, not like pull ups and such.

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MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:18, said: from my experience sometimes this happens when dehydrated and rehydrating. after masturbation or sex this could happen. staying hydrated helped me nullify all the pains i would feel. so i drink a gallon of water or more every day especially when i workout. this also goes for if you drink alcohol, or any substance that is toxic or slightly toxic that heats the body up and depletes water. if you drink coffee or alot of soda you really wanna cut down or stop. i cut down alot on the coffee drinking. never really liked sodas.

good stuff!


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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:25, said: I drink allot of water, 6 - 8 8oz cups a day, purified by reverse osmosis. I do have sex regularly, I do not ejaculate (inward or outward). My ejaculation frequency is about..7 - 20 days. Im nearing a consistency of 12 - 20. You are right about the water and sex, it can mess everything up if not taken care of! My vice is sweet tea....LAWD I LOVE IT!!!! Uggh. I drink more water to compensate when I do drink z tea...

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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 20:00, said: tea = diuretic

True. I have always peed a good bit because I drink allot. Have to or dehydration will occur. Dangit, tea! Why are you so delish?!

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Just be careful not to overdo this exercise. If burning sensation in mingmen increases you are looking for trouble. The heat will invade the liver and you are screwed. Do you see that fire in the ming men area? That is a sign that the desired effect was obtained but you should go to the next step now. What you did until now was "lighting the fire". But if you do too much the forest will burn, 4/30/2014 6:29 PM


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the forest being the liver. So you have a fire in the prostate and a fire in the mingmen which means you have the yang Qi but you need to put in the cauldron the other ingredients and cook them. Edited by Andrei, 13 April 2014 - 09:35 PM. Uroboros

Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:43 PM Andrei, on 13 Apr 2014 - 21:34, said:

Just be careful not to overdo this exercise. If burning sensation in mingmen increases you are looking for trouble. The heat will invade the liver and you are screwed. Do you see that fire in the ming men area? That is a sign that the desired effect was obtained but you should go to the next step now. What you did until now was "lighting the fire". But if you do too much the forest will burn, the forest being the liver. So you have a fire in the prostate and a fire in the mingmen which means you have

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the yang Qi but you need to put in the cauldron the other ingredients and cook them.

Damn...That is a beautiful painting! Even if I had no idea as to the alchemical messages, it is still stunning! Hm....I do not know if I have reached the proper goal in - lighting the fire-... I do have liver fire problems, pretty much every week. I wake up often with liver fire headaches and sluggishness. I was born with a underdeveloped liver, though... I was a yellow baby! Oh and a cone head! Twas a delicious baby flavored yellow ice cream cone! hahah Thank you for the advice , Andrei....I will put that in my pipe and hopefully not smoke my self! Also...what would the ingredients be? These are some amazing practices...I would rather not fuck my body up by being ignorant.


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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 21:43, said: I was born with a underdeveloped liver, though... I was a yellow baby! my twin and i were as well, we were born 2 1/2 months early. you wouldnt be able to tell now being 6"3 235 solid muscle lol. after we mixed yin and yang alot of problems we had from birth started to

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go away the body starts healin wonderfully after that.


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MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 21:50, said: my twin and i were as well, we were born 2 1/2 months early. you wouldnt be able to tell now being 6"3 235 solid muscle lol. after we mixed yin and yang alot of problems we had from birth started to go away the body starts healin wonderfully after that.

Haha! Big boy, eh! You are the kind that scares little children....this is good. What is this mixing yin and yang I hear so much about?! Please splain, mister MERCELESS


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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 22:03, said: Haha! Big boy, eh! You are the kind that scares little children....this is good. What is this mixing yin and yang I hear so much about?! Please splain, mister MERCELESS its when you have gathered enough yang energy, after which you can after learning to move the dantien can move it down to the perineum, but there is much more to it than just moving it down, "explanation for another time lol" but afterwards when you

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harness the fusion of the two your body gives off another energy "life force" energy this allows you to start different cultivation methods that allow you to develop further. so in a nut shell your changed for ever by a more powerful energy than the two separate energies.


Andrei Inscriptions on the figure: 1. Mysterious yin-yang treadmill 2. Kan-water flowing in reverse 3. Correct elixir field

4. Spirit of heart called elixir origin guarding the numen (shou-ling) 5. Spirit of kidneys called mysterious obscurity nourishing the child (yu-ying) 6. Spirit of spleen called continuously existing pavilion 7. Spirit of gallbladder called dragon glory majestic illumination 8. Spirit of lungs called brilliant splendour emptiness complete 9. Spirit of liver called dragon mist containing illumination 10. Engraving a stone, the lad holding a string of coins 11. Cow herder constellation 12. Mysterious pass hidden in fifty regions 13. Weaving maiden transporting and transferring 14. Central elixir field 15. Iron ox plowing the field where golden coins are sown 16. This field is the earth of ken-mountain 17. Cavity of the two kidney storehouses 18. Mountains and streams decocting in a half-sheng cauldron 19. Upper pass of jade perfection 20. Cavity of the numinous peak 21. Summit of the great peak 22. Numinous terrace of the thickly meshed net

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23. Niwan palace 24. A grain of millet containing the world 25. Prefecture of ascending yang 26. Mountain of nine peaks 27. Eyebrows of white headed Lao Tzu hanging down to earth 28. If you orient yourself towards the mysterious, the mysterious will be attained. 29. Outside this mystery there is no mystery 30. Governing vessel Tu Mai 31. Conception vessel Jen Mai 32. Origin of the ascending method 33. Larynx 34. Qi sickness over the descending bridge 35. The blue-eyed foreign monk holding up the heavens 36. Palace of the sweet spring and cold peak 37. The twelve storied pagoda store the secret transmission Edited by Andrei, 13 April 2014 - 10:24 PM. Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:27 PM

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MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 22:20, said: its when you have gathered enough yang energy, after which you can after learning to move the dantien can move it down to the perineum, but there is much more to it than just moving it down, "explanation for another time lol" but afterwards when you harness the fusion of the two your body gives off another energy "life force" energy this allows you to start different cultivation methods that allow you to develop further. so in a nut shell your changed for ever by a more powerful energy than the two separate energies.

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What practice do you train in to achieve this? I can see how that would heal allot of things... Since your liver weakness was pre-natal, did you have difficulty healing it with herbs, medicines, regular QiGong?


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Andrei, on 13 Apr 2014 - 22:22, said: Inscriptions on the figure: 1. Mysterious yin-yang treadmill 2. Kan-water flowing in reverse 3. Correct elixir field 4. Spirit of heart called elixir origin guarding the numen (shou-ling) 5. Spirit of kidneys called mysterious obscurity nourishing the child (yu-ying) 6. Spirit of spleen called continuously existing pavilion 7. Spirit of gallbladder called dragon glory majestic illumination 8. Spirit of lungs called brilliant splendour emptiness complete 9. Spirit of liver called dragon mist containing illumination 10. Engraving a stone, the lad holding a string of coins 11. Cow herder constellation 12. Mysterious pass hidden in fifty regions 13. Weaving maiden transporting and transferring 14. Central elixir field 15. Iron ox plowing the field where golden coins are sown 16. This field is the earth of ken-mountain 17. Cavity of the two kidney storehouses 18. Mountains and streams decocting in a half-sheng cauldron 19. Upper pass of jade perfection

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20. Cavity of the numinous peak 21. Summit of the great peak 22. Numinous terrace of the thickly meshed net 23. Niwan palace 24. A grain of millet containing the world 25. Prefecture of ascending yang 26. Mountain of nine peaks 27. Eyebrows of white headed Lao Tzu hanging down to earth 28. If you orient yourself towards the mysterious, the mysterious will be attained. 29. Outside this mystery there is no mystery 30. Governing vessel Tu Mai 31. Conception vessel Jen Mai 32. Origin of the ascending method 33. Larynx 34. Qi sickness over the descending bridge 35. The blue-eyed foreign monk holding up the heavens 36. Palace of the sweet spring and cold peak 37. The twelve storied pagoda store the secret transmission

Ahh! Thank you for the key to the map, Andrei... Study is involved now.


Andrei

I will give later the other translations but I can explain some meanings in the diagram. Anyways whomever is interested you can see the translation here:

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http://wangfengyi.fi...neichingtu1.pdf (http://wangfengyi.files.wordpress.com/2011/05 /neichingtu1.pdf)

The water below is the jing the sexual fluids. The boys are the testicles, they are running or stepping on the tread mill making it to turn the water wheel, making the water to go upwards towards the brain. The mountains are the spine and the upward river is the spinal marrow through which Tu Mai, or governor vessel is flowing. The piece of land below is the penis, which is connected to the boys and the fire in the prostate area. The ox and the plower are the guts area where is supposed to sow the golden coins. This is the field where the yellow sprouts raise. The forest and the piece of land represent the liver and the stomach, because liver is sustained by the stomach, the wood grows on earth. The maiden is the spleen which transports and transforms. Also waiving maiden is a technique of rotating the Qi in the dantian. The technique is described in Wang Liping book, I highly recommend to buy that book, because that technique is essential, and even if this technique is all over the internet in various forms it is not correct, only WLP has the correct form of it. This technique collects essences from the 5 organs which is symbolically represented by the pearl glowing encircled by the four yin-yang taichi symbols. Which means that in the cauldron, in the correct elixir field location you should gather and store the 5 essences which should be balanced yin-yang plus another 2 substances in total should be 7 substances that you cook in the cauldron near mingmen fire. Some people are more balanced than others, some made enough cultivation in other lives and in this life was much easier, but this is the path towards opening the third eye. Which is the verse "one grain of millet contains the world".

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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 22:27, said: Wow! That sounds awe-some! What practice do you train in to achieve this? I can see how that would heal allot of things... Since your liver weakness was pre-natal, did you have difficulty healing it with herbs, medicines, regular QiGong? i practice taoist alchemy, a good book on this is TAOIST YOGA ALCHEMY AND IMMORTALITY. it healed as much as it could but the real healing didnt start till the mixing point.


Uroboros

MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:01, said: i practice taoist alchemy, a good book on this is TAOIST YOGA ALCHEMY AND IMMORTALITY. it healed as much as it could but the real healing didnt start till the mixing point.

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Funny, I picked it up yesterday to read again.... Seems to be time. Ahh, so similar to my experience...Most stuff just does not heal the pre-natal damage..So the mix was when it really kicked in, eh. Good to know. Thanks MERCELESS.


MERCELESS ONE

Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:09, said: I have that book...I find it difficult to decipher, especially finding where to start and how to start. Do you have a teacher or was it by the book? Funny, I picked it up yesterday to read again.... Seems to be time. Ahh, so similar to my experience...Most stuff just does not heal the pre-natal damage..So the mix was when it really kicked in, eh. Good to know. Thanks MERCELESS. a little of both, but i mainly learned from practice! in other words im pretty much self taught the teachers i came in contact that were light years ahead of me confirmed my suspicions lol. the taoist yoga book can only be deciphered after practicing and

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understanding alchemy. understanding alchemy through practice and practical application.


Andrei

Yes I agree with Merceless, you understand metaphors in the books after you practiced them, never before. Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:27 PM

Uroboros

MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:19, said: a little of both, but i mainly learned from practice! in other words im pretty much self taught the teachers i came in contact that were light years ahead of me confirmed my suspicions lol. the taoist yoga book can only be deciphered after practicing and understanding alchemy. understanding alchemy through practice and practical application.

Andrei, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:23, said: Yes I agree with Merceless, you understand metaphors in the books after you practiced them, never before.

So you read the book, applied the techniques as best you could, studied alchemy and then course corrected as you went along?


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The technique is described in Wang Liping book, I highly recommend to buy that book, because that technique is

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essential, and even if this technique is all over the internet in various forms it is not correct, only WLP has the correct form of it. Yes awesome book! Daoist Yoga too! great work guys! team work! yes, do take it easy with these new exercises I promise you that great power will come- just don't over do it in the beginning Also keep those Kua/hip joints open.


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Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:27, said: So you read the book, applied the techniques as best you could, studied alchemy and then course corrected as you went along? not quite ive been practicing for about 16 years, i learned to mix before reading this book but had no idea what to do next. it just helped me with the next steps.

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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:41, said: Yes awesome book! Daoist Yoga too! great work guys! team work! yes, do take it easy with these new exercises I promise you that great power will come- just don't over do it in the beginning Also keep those Kua/hip joints open.

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Are you saying that the book by Wang Li Ping is a must have?


Uroboros

MERCELESS ONE, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:50, said: not quite ive been practicing for about 16 years, i learned to mix before reading this book but had no idea what to do next. it just helped me with the next steps.

Oh, wow. So you have been at it for awhile. You made lots of progress! Congratulations! Good reference to have, then, eh


MERCELESS ONE

Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:58, said: Oh, wow. So you have been at it for awhile. You made lots of progress! Congratulations! Good reference to have, then, eh lol thanks!

MooNiNite

Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:43 AM Andrei, on 13 Apr 2014 - 21:34, said:

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Just be careful not to overdo this exercise. If burning sensation in mingmen increases you are looking for trouble. The heat will invade the liver and you are screwed. Do you see that fire in the ming men area? That is a sign that the desired effect was obtained but you should go to the next step now. What you did until now was "lighting the fire". But if you do too much the forest will burn, the forest being the liver. So you have a fire in the prostate and a fire in the mingmen which means you have the yang Qi but you need to put in the cauldron the other ingredients and cook them.

Hi Andrei, Question:

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is there an "orbit' one can do with just the head? IT looks like a road going around the area of the head. I only ask because it reminds me of a practice called "Ankhing" where one moves the energy above and below the head and then through the neck and then around again. almost like an orbit, but exclusively for the head.


tendou

Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 23:58, said: Oh, wow. So you have been at it for awhile. You made lots of progress! Congratulations! Good reference to have, then, eh Have you been training for the full lotus long? Or do you just jump into it?


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tendou, on 14 Apr 2014 - 07:30, said: Have you been training for the full lotus long? Or do you just jump into it? I always thought you had to train to jump into it

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tendou, on 14 Apr 2014 - 07:30, said: Have you been training for the full lotus long? Or do you just jump into it? my legs are way to stiff to do full lotus im only at half lotus although i stretch regularly my exercises dont allow for maximum flexibility. lots of weightlifting, cardio and martial arts.


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tendou, on 14 Apr 2014 - 07:30, said: Have you been training for the full lotus long? Or do you just jump into it? if your flexible enough you can jump rite intol it if not work up to it, or suffer severe pain.

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As consciousness expands the body becomes more flexible Edited by MooNiNite, 14 April 2014 - 04:39 PM. Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:21 PM

Andrei

MooNiNite, on 14 Apr 2014 - 00:43, said: Hi Andrei, Question: is there an "orbit' one can do with just the head? IT looks like a road going around the area of the head. I only ask because it reminds me of a practice called "Ankhing" where one moves the energy above and below the head and then through the neck and then around again. almost like an orbit, but exclusively for the head.

Well, I don't know about Ankh meditation, what I know is standard Taoist advice, don't mess with the energy in the head cause you cook your brain. The best you can have would be a headache (which by the way comes from overheating the liver and gall bladder through the gallbladder yang meridian - this is what in western medicine they call "migrane" that has no cure and no explanation from western medicine except you take tylenol which is a beta-bloquer). The two rainbows connecting simbolize the connection of the Jen Mai and Tu Mai channels (Governor and Conception). The "blue-eyed monk" is the tongue that has to be lifted to touch the mouth palate. The mouth is like a cave and you have there a pool which is called "heavenly pool". That pool simbolize the

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salivary glands below the tongue. Also you can see there is a stream of water flowing and filling the pool that flow from the ceiling of the cavern. This stream is the "Sweet nectar" or the elixir you feel flowing from sinuses during meditation which has a thick and sweet taste. This fluid in not quite mucus, it is something in between mucus and saliva but actually is flowing from the pituitary gland through nasal sinuses into the mouth. This is the elixir you are suppose to swallow because contains hormones from pituitary gland. And this is not the exercise commonly called "swallowing the saliva". You can swallow a lot of phlegm or saliva but it won't contain any hormones or elixirs in it, it has to be processed, or cooked after an hour or so of meditation. They say in texts that "The elixir can be obtained in one hour" by anybody, because anybody has the immortality elixir inside them. You just need to apply the correct technique, which is quite simple but this is the reason was wrapped in such a complex mesh of alchemical terms and secrets and what not. Anyway I digress, you are supposed to swallow the saliva or whatever is flowing from the sinuses during and after at least one hour of meditation.

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Uroboros

Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 17:21, said: Well, I don't know about Ankh meditation, what I know is standard Taoist advice, don't mess with the energy in the head cause you cook your brain. The best you can have would be a headache (which by the way comes from overheating the liver and gall bladder through the gallbladder yang meridian - this is what in western medicine they call "migrane" that has no cure and no explanation from western medicine except you take tylenol which is a beta-bloquer).

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The two rainbows connecting simbolize the connection of the Jen Mai and Tu Mai channels (Governor and Conception). The "blue-eyed monk" is the tongue that has to be lifted to touch the mouth palate. The mouth is like a cave and you have there a pool which is called "heavenly pool". That pool simbolize the salivary glands below the tongue. Also you can see there is a stream of water flowing and filling the pool that flow from the ceiling of the cavern. This stream is the "Sweet dew" or the elixir you feel flowing from sinuses during meditation which has a thick and sweet taste. This fluid in not quite mucus, it is something in between mucus and saliva but actually is flowing from the pituitary gland through nasal sinuses into the mouth. This is the elixir you are suppose to swallow because contains hormones from pituitary gland. And this is not the exercise commonly called "swallowing the saliva". You can swallow a lot of phlegm or saliva but it won't contain any hormones or elixirs in it, it has to be processed, or cooked after an hour or so of meditation. They say in texts that "The elixir can be obtained in one hour" by anybody, because anybody has the immortality elixir inside them. You just need to apply the correct technique, which is quite simple but this is the reason was wrapped in such a complex mesh of alchemical terms and secrets and what not. Anyway I digress, you are supposed to swallow the saliva or whatever is flowing from the sinuses during and after at least one hour of meditation.

What is the correct technique, Andrei? Fascinating how all this was put into a painting....

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It is in the Neigong book by Wang Liping. You have to put 7 substances in the cauldron (tripod) and cook them with a slow fire. The 7 substances are the 5 essences from the organs (there is a meditation in the book called 5 elements meditation) plus 2 substances which are the Yin energy of the right eye (the moon) and the Yang energy of the left eye (the sun). You can see the moon and the sun also in the painting.


Uroboros

Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 17:33, said: It is in the Neigong book by Wang Liping. You have to put 7 substances in the cauldron (tripod) and cook them with a slow fire. The 7 substances are the 5 essences from the organs (there is a meditation in the book called 5 elements meditation) plus 2 substances which are the Yin energy of the right eye (the moon) and the Yang energy of the left eye (the sun). You can see the moon and the sun also in the painting.

Im going to have to get that book, eh....Sweet! Have you practiced the method in the book to know that it works?


Andrei Yes

is the only method that worked for me. I tried everithing it

is advertised here on this forum, nothing works for a Vata like me, there is nothing that keeps me on the middle path, everything else goes to extremes and this is not true Taoism. The true Taoism is the thin line between Yin and Yang, and I couldn't find it anywhere else.

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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 12:43, said: A sacred marriage and union of bliss: Inhale through nostrils using throat frictionvisualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through your nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin on your forehead exhale the breathe and see it swirl at your hairline recall what I said about energy on another thread spirals and rotation according to your location inhale and pull that energy under your scalp skin, just touching the circumference of your skull, exhaling at the jade pillow, approximately at the occipital points inhale again and push the energy straight down the Tum Mo channel into your Mingmen and exhale hard at that point again swirls etc inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the floor as you exhale one long inhale and reverse the whole procedure

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do it again 10 cycles share on here what you felt This is Mine- you will not find these Instructions, anywhere

I am reading QiGong Empowerment, section 2 Daoist Methods, on the MCO. In it he has a method for depletion of jing / weakness and how to fortify the body. It is VERY similar to this method! You sit or lay on your side, fill the YinTang with qi, feel the qi fill the forehead, then fill the body... Thats stage 1, after a bit of doing that you change it to the method similar to yours, SOTG. You inhale into the YinTang and exhale down Du Mai into MingMen. How neat!

tendou

Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:50 PM joeblast, on 14 Apr 2014 - 10:57, said:

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I always thought you had to train to jump into it

That's crazy. Haha

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You won't find this technique anywhere because it is Mine You will need: One Ink Marker One source of high pitch frequency such as the high note on a Harmonica, Hi-pitch whistle, etc

If you are right handed, look at your left inside forearm:

Draw a Circle in the middle of your left inside forearm with the ink markerabout the size of a half dollar. Google an Image of it if you don't know Look at the circle you just drew and become one with itfocus on your lower tan tien, while staring at it now slap it hard 4/30/2014 11:25 AM


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feel it sting inhale into your lower tan tien while absorbing that sting feel the sting fade as you exhale through that circle do that about 5 times

Now stare at your circle, slap it- this time however, inhale while having the high pitched end of your harmonica to your pursed lips the inhale causes the reed to vibrate Feel that high note with the sting- while inhaling make it one The sting will start to resonate with the high pitch repeat that again 5 more times

Now- Inhale and only recall to mind, the sting and high pitch resonating feeling from before, while staring at that circle Do this everyday AFTER your daily cultivation routine let us know what happened, results, etc

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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 12:58, said: You won't find this technique anywhere because it is Mine You will need: One Ink Marker One source of high pitch frequency such as the high note on a Harmonica, Hi-pitch whistle, etc


Draw a Circle in the middle of your left inside forearm with the ink markerabout the size of a half dollar. Google an Image of it if you don't know Look at the circle you just drew and become one with itfocus on your lower tan tien, while staring at it now slap it hard feel it sting inhale into your lower tan tien while absorbing that sting

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feel the sting fade as you exhale through that circle do that about 5 times



Try it before asking questions about how to do it You will find by actually doing it- it is simple and natural

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Bone breathing isnt enough...... It only gets you so far. Yes it can be used to create jing thats tru but it doesnt build raw power it just transforms the energy you have into jing. Dorian black posted on that space panda forum that he was told by his teacher that he couldnt set things on fire and doubted if it was possible. Theres a reason for this.....


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thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:09, said: Bone breathing isnt enough...... It only gets you so far. Yes it can be used to create jing thats tru but it doesnt build raw power it just transforms the energy you have into jing.

Theres a reason for this.....

I agree


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thamosh

Well condensing breathing isnt spiritual at all. That type of internal power isnt an attainment. If it was you would be able to stop doing condensing breathing and your power would remain even after sex. Bone breathing wont cause the required alchemic reaction at the ldt. That type of internal power is different than the internal power of jing thru bone breathing.

Edited by thamosh, 13 April 2014 - 01:27 PM. Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:33 PM

SonOfTheGods

thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:26, said: Well condensing breathing isnt spiritual at all. That type of internal power isnt an attainment. If it was you would be able to stop doing condensing breathing and your power would remain even after sex. Bone breathing wont cause the required alchemic reaction at the ldt. That type of internal power is different than the internal power of jing thru bone breathing.

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After I orgasm I still retain full power Bone breathing is part of the whole, and an essential process This is why I made another topic called "Neidan" So - if you decide you no longer want to be cryptic- tell us what it is you are hinting at


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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:33, said: After I orgasm I still retain full power Bone breathing is part of the whole, and an essential process This is why I made another topic called "Neidan" So - if you decide you no longer want to be cryptic- tell us what it is you are hinting at

I was pretty clear what was unclear?

thamosh

Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:14 PM it may seem cryptic if you dont understand it...

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Posting pictures of cats? Well that makes about as much sense as the condensing breathing you do. If i wanted to be cruel I could have posted nothing and just watched and laughed to myself. You dont need it its just a waste of time. Chris Matsuo doesnt do it and he has jing, Richard Clear doesnt do it and he has jing, and I could go on and on but you should see my point. To be honest it just seems like your confused about things.


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thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:55, said: Posting pictures of cats? Well that makes about as much sense as the condensing

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breathing you do. If i wanted to be cruel I could have posted nothing and just watched and laughed to myself. You dont need it its just a waste of time. Chris Matsuo doesnt do it and he has jing, Richard Clear doesnt do it and he has jing, and I could go on and on but you should see my point. To be honest it just seems like your confused about things. I could have deleted your post(s) too but was giving you the benefit of the doubt You did this on my last PPF too if you have something to say- say it I dont care what other instructors do, or have etc I am posting info to help beginners there is nothing confusing here bone breathing is a part so is focusing on the LDT so is breathing so is eating

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if you have a point then spill it or back and laugh to yourself you have nothing to say- just that obviously I'm wrong and you're right


thamosh Bone breathing is not part of it.

Bone breathing came into the chikung world from 2 sources both sources come from 2 different systems. Teachings from these systems from the 2 sources to the mass was incomplete and utterly wrong.


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thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:06, said: Bone breathing is not part of it. Bone breathing came into the chikung world from 2 sources both sources come from 2 different systems. Teachings from these systems from the 2 sources to the mass was incomplete and utterly wrong.

so tell us then- what is it ?

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P.S. I Will Not be surprised if You do Not answer


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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:08, said: so tell us then- what is it ?

P.S. I Will Not be surprised if You do Not answer

Thats not my point the point is you dont need it. It doesnt build the ldt it doesnt open the 3rd eye and its not required to run the mco. The only thing that it actually "does" is charge and burn the fat out the bone marrow. But any meditation will do that in time anyways. Plus certain meditations run the chi thru the bbones differently if your doing condensing breathing it could conflict with the packing method causeing irregular musle twitches at first.

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Plus the body gives off its own heat and funk you do not suck that back into your body....that is wrong. The vibration is created by the wood organs the liver and gall bladder which is connected to the wood element which is connected to chen(thunder). Proper alchemy always starts by strengtening the kidneys first. By doing condensing breathing to soon you can cause liver illness which will manifest in green stool. Which will hurt your progression in the future. So if I was to advise any practitioner to do or not to do condensing breathing id say not to do it. Id say just spend the time doing lower belly breathing. Which will strengthen the kidneys which will strenghten the liver which will cause you to buzz and that buzz thru time will circulate thru the bones and so on.

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thamosh

So basically condensing breathing will at some point stop the progression of your internal power. It taxes the liver and gallbladder too much without strenghtening the kidneys. So then the question would be is there a meditation that strengthens the kidneys and builds a vibration in the body at the same time?.... If a meditation like this is practiced then the practitioner will 4/30/2014 11:25 AM


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generate heat (kidneys/fire) and a powerful deep vibration liver(wood/thunder). This is thinking like a practitioner. Now how would one find a method like this what would be some things to search for.... Some keywords might be rejuvenation, healing, and martial power. then followup would have to be done by talking to the instructor teaching it. To confirm that this method does what you are looking for.

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Study ties breathing problems, asthma to bone loss http://www.reuters.c...EA3A1TK20140411 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/11/us-breathingproblems-idUSBREA3A1TK20140411)

Quote (Reuters Health) - People with asthma-related breathing problems may be at increased risk for bone loss, according to a new study. The study examined the records of more than 7,000 adults in Seoul, Korea, and found those with a certain characteristic of asthma had significantly lower bone density in a region of their spine than those without asthma symptoms.


Posted 13 April 2014 - 06:00 PM Bone Marrow Qigong (Bone Breathing)

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Also the joints benefit from the exercises

Breathe into your bones Improve your health by rejuvenating your bone marrow and blood Bones are extremely porous, and they are always "breathing". The pores allow the passage of oxygen, blood, and nutrition through the bones in the same way a sponge absorbs and releases water. Learn the step-by-step practices in a useful and informative way for the health and spiritual well-being of today's world. Bone Marrow Qigong cleanses the bone marrow and uses internal power to improve blood quality and add vitality. Poor nutrition, sugar and acidic food can be the cause of bone marrow reduction and loss of vitality & quality of life. The Bone Marrow Breathing practice can help you revitalize and regrow the bone marrow by bringing Qi into the bones. Bone Breathing draws external Qi (energy) in through skin, muscles, and tendons to be combined with our Qi and compressed into the marrow of the bones through the Bone Compression practice. It is very simple. The "Bone Breathing" guides to a deep inner relaxation. This will energize the body all the way into the bones and bone marrow.

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You also can do this practice, while laying down. Private sessions with Gabrielle in Christchurch are available. Healthy bones and the production of blood

Hips and pelvis produce white blood cells

Bone Breathing brings density into the bones Red blood cells are produced by the long bones of the body such as those found in the shins, thighs and arms. They circulate oxygen and eliminate carbon dioxide. White blood cells are produced by the flat bones such as the pelvis, sternum, scapulae and skull. They are vital to the body's defense system. Both red and white blood cells are produced in the marrow of the bones. Healthy bones contain more red marrow, which produces blood cells. Yellow bone marrow also exists, producing fat which accumulates as the body ages. Although yellow marrow can produce blood cells, healthy blood production is contingent upon a higher proportion of red marrow in the bones and less fat. For this reason. Bone Marrow Nei Kung practitioners always seek to increase the growth of red marrow while eliminating fat. Qi Flow Assists the Heart The Dao regards the heart as both a muscle and a vital organ. Even

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a strong heart should never be overworked. The heart never truly rests from the time it begins to beat. As blood carries oxygen and nutrients throughout the body, its circulation can be a burden to the heart if physical stress remains constant. When energized with Qi, however, the blood becomes lighter and easier to move, allowing the heart to work less and maintain a higher energy level. The Bone Marrow Nei Kung helps to develop the Qi flow while improving the heart's capabilities. Improving the Heart Function The process of Bone Breathing can relieve the heart of excessive work while increasing circulation in other parts of the body. "Nei Kung" means "practicing with your internal power" and implies building body-mind power without using physical breathing techniques. Mental concentration, internal imaging, and development of a deep inner sensing of psycho-physical processes are the marks of Nei Kung.

http://www.taomotion...bone-breathing/ (http://www.taomotion.com/en/seminars/bone-breathing/)


SonOfTheGods

You can find instructions about -bone breathing/condensing breathing in - Waysun Liao T'ai Chi Classics so don't tell me I am mixing up systems

You can argue with the Hermetic Magick group. too

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They use Pore Breathing as well. Franz Bardon especially

I am done proving my point.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 12:58, said: You won't find this technique anywhere because it is Mine You will need: One Ink Marker One source of high pitch frequency such as the high note on a Harmonica, Hi-pitch whistle, etc


Draw a Circle in the middle of your left inside forearm with the ink markerabout the size of a half dollar. Google an Image of it if you don't know Look at the circle you just drew and become one with itfocus on your lower tan tien, while staring at it

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now slap it hard feel it sting inhale into your lower tan tien while absorbing that sting feel the sting fade as you exhale through that circle do that about 5 times



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I did this exercise as prescribed. At the end, using the mind create the sensation, the stinging+squealing buzz sinked through the skin of my arm and into my bone...then it resonated through my whole forearm and a bit into the rest of my arm into my shoulder. Could I use this mix of sting+squeal on any bone area? I tried it on my pelvis and it felt...nice.. I felt the sensation move towards my sacrum and up a bit.


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:21, said: I did this exercise as prescribed. At the end, using the mind create the sensation, the stinging+squealing buzz sinked through the skin of my arm and into my bone...then it resonated through my whole forearm and a bit into the rest of my arm into my shoulder. Could I use this mix of sting+squeal on any bone area? I tried it on my pelvis and it felt...nice.. I felt the sensation move towards my sacrum and up a bit. keep at it on both forearms then both inside shin bone for a week first

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SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 19:54, said: keep at it on both forearms then both inside shin bone for a week first

Gotcha! Is there a limit of time I should keep it each day?


thamosh

Hmm you seem to misunderstand everything i said....... Ya know what good luck with your condensing breathing.... pm me when you can set stuff on fire


SonOfTheGods

thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 20:48, said: Hmm you seem to misunderstand everything i said....... Ya know what good luck with your condensing breathing.... pm me when you can set stuff on fire

Thamosh, you said I shouldn't be teaching Bone Breathing because I am confused and mixing systems. Then I gave you proof that I am not mixing systems, and you are the one confused- now you are trying to get out of your mess. *Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography of

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Wang Liping- the same Wang Liping who wrote Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu -- Long Men Pai (Dragon Gate Lineage)... have as Introductory exercisesPore Breathing the whole bodyincluding Tan Tien *Waysun Liao T'ai Chi Classics teach Condensed Breathing/Bone Breathing *As Mantak Chia *And also Gary Clyman so obviously I am not the one confused, nor am I the guy who is mixing traditions. Let's face facts here now ThamoshYou spoke on the telephone with Jim McMillan a couple of times and think you're some type of big shot now. You were banned as Pure Truth and snuck back in TTB under this name - Thamosh You got pissed off because I gave McMillan a mediocre review in my previous PPF about MoPai You trolled my previous PPF and now you are trolling this NeiGong Forum PPF. The problem here is I have a limited amount of time I can spend online. I use that time to post on this and answer Private Messages and Emails from people who actually want to learn.

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Now my time is being wasted playing your games again. People like you are the reason why teachers will never come to TaoBums. I could care less about "lighting fires" with lightening bolts shooting out my hands. Unless you are Prometheus, it is 2014- I can use a Lighter to light fire now.

if you wanted to discuss things and disagree with me, that's cool. You start off by saying: In MY Opinion, or In My Experience-- I disagree with your premise... Not like you said "I can laugh at you" I am also done discussing this with you. let's leave it alone now. Thank you ___________________ These are ALL YOUR QUOTES- THAMOSH thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:26, said: thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:26, said:

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Well condensing breathing isnt spiritual at all. That type of internal power isnt an attainment. If it was you would be able to stop doing condensing breathing and your power would remain even after sex. Bone breathing wont cause the required alchemic reaction at the ldt. That type of internal power is different than the internal power of jing thru bone breathing. thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:13, said:

I was pretty clear what was unclear? thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:14, said: it may seem cryptic if you dont understand it... thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 14:55, said: Well that makes about as much sense as the condensing breathing you do. If i wanted to be cruel I could have posted nothing and just watched and laughed to myself. You dont need it its just a waste of time. Chris Matsuo doesnt do it and he has jing, Richard Clear doesnt do it and he has jing, and I could go on and on but you should see my point.

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To be honest it just seems like your confused about things. thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:06, said: Bone breathing is not part of it. Bone breathing came into the chikung world from 2 sources both sources come from 2 different systems. Teachings from these systems from the 2 sources to the mass was incomplete and utterly wrong. thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 15:35, said:

Thats not my point the point is you dont need it. It doesnt build the ldt it doesnt open the 3rd eye and its not required to run the mco. The only thing that it actually "does" is charge and burn the fat out the bone marrow. But any meditation will do that in time anyways. So basically condensing breathing will at some point stop the progression of your internal power.



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SonOfTheGods

I had to lock the other thread because Thamosh kept trolling it -sorry guys But just continue on this thread


SonOfTheGods Quote Posted Yesterday, 12:58 PM

You won't find this technique anywhere because it is Mine You will need: One Ink Marker One source of high pitch frequency such as the high note on a Harmonica, Hi-pitch whistle, etc

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Draw a Circle in the middle of your left inside forearm with the ink markerabout the size of a half dollar. Google an Image of it if you don't know Look at the circle you just drew and become one with itfocus on your lower tan tien, while staring at it now slap it hard feel it sting inhale into your lower tan tien while absorbing that sting feel the sting fade as you exhale through that circle do that about 5 times

Now stare at your circle, slap it- this time however, inhale while having the high pitched end of your harmonica to your pursed lips the inhale causes the reed to vibrate Feel that high note with the sting- while inhaling make it one The sting will start to resonate with the high pitch

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repeat that again 5 more times



joeblast oh my sweet 4KHz fork


SonOfTheGods

NeiGong and those who teach Bone Breathing.

*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography of Wang Lipingthe same Wang Liping who wrote: Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu - Long Men Pai (Dragon Gate Lineage)... have as Introductory exercises- Pore Breathing the whole bodyincluding Tan Tien *Waysun Liao T'ai Chi Classics teach Condensed

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Breathing/Bone Breathing *Mantak Chia *Gary Clyman *Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming: Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:Bone Marrow : According to theory of Muscle/Tendon Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing Qigong (Yi Jin Jing, Xi Sui Jing, 易筋經、洗髓經), the qi enters the bone marrow through the joint areas. Whenever the joints are moving, qi will build to a higher potential of storage. When the body relaxes, the qi accumulated will either be dissipated outward through the skin or enter into the bone marrow to nourish it. Since taiji ball qigong focuses on joint exercises, and through the correct breathing technique, the qi can be led inward to the bone marrow effectively. This is the crucial key of slowing aging. - See more at: http://ymaa.com/arti...h.QF4PDBiV.dpuf (http://ymaa.com/articles/2013/03/taiji-ball-qigong-theoryof-physical-conditioning#sthash.QF4PDBiV.dpuf) If you are interested in knowing more about Muscle/Tendon Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing Qigong, please refer to the book, Qigong–The Secret of Youth, published by YMAA Publication Center.



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SonOfTheGods, on 15 Apr 2014 - 12:11, said: NeiGong and those who teach Bone Breathing.

*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography of Wang Lipingthe same Wang Liping who wrote: Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu - Long Men Pai (Dragon Gate Lineage)... have as Introductory exercises- Pore Breathing the whole bodyincluding Tan Tien *Waysun Liao T'ai Chi Classics teach Condensed Breathing/Bone Breathing *Mantak Chia *Gary Clyman *Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:

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Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:Bone Marrow : According to theory of Muscle/Tendon Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing Qigong (Yi Jin Jing, Xi Sui Jing, 易筋經、洗髓經), the qi enters the bone marrow through the joint areas. Whenever the joints are moving, qi will build to a higher potential of storage. When the body relaxes, the qi accumulated will either be dissipated outward through the skin or enter into the bone marrow to nourish it. Since taiji ball qigong focuses on joint exercises, and through the correct breathing technique, the qi can be led inward to the bone marrow effectively. This is the crucial key of slowing aging. - See more at: http://ymaa.com/arti...h.QF4PDBiV.dpuf (http://ymaa.com/articles/2013/03/taiji-ball-qigong-theoryof-physical-conditioning#sthash.QF4PDBiV.dpuf) If you are interested in knowing more about Muscle/Tendon Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing Qigong, please refer to the book, Qigong–The Secret of Youth, published by YMAA Publication Center.

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Uroboros

I have been doing this for a few days so far. At the last stage, slap+sound+ mind, I mirror the circle and the sensations on my other arm. When I am inhaling, the sensation+sound go into my arms, feels like the bones and the resonates through them up near the shoulder. it gets weaker as it goes along past the circle on the forearm.

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Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 02:20, said: I have been doing this for a few days so far. At the last stage, slap+sound+ mind, I mirror the circle and the sensations on my other arm. When I am inhaling, the sensation+sound go into my arms, feels like the bones and the resonates through them up near the shoulder. it gets weaker as it goes along past the circle on the forearm.

Basically- Intermediate version of my technique: would be to draw a wide line with the ink marker- rather than a circle. Draw the line from Laogong hand point- to Daling wrist point all the way up inside of your forearm (inside your forearm = Qi flow pulling up toward your arm pit)- up past the bicepinto your arm pit- to your pectoral muscle Both arms Both legs- from Bubbling Springs up your legs- into Kua points/hip and into Pelvis We are not connecting Torso yet That will be Advanced- which consists of other components too

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Remember energy spirals in counterclockwise spiral TOWARDS your head if your arm is extended out- traveling inner forearm-(if in Aust.ralia, etc - energy would be clockwise)


SonOfTheGods

Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu: Beginners Exercise has Pore Breathing To Edge of Universe, Inhale into TanTien Exhale back out to Edge of Universe.

SonOfTheGods, on 15 Apr 2014 - 12:11, said: NeiGong and those who teach Bone Breathing.

*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography of Wang Lipingthe same Wang Liping who wrote: Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu - Long Men Pai (Dragon Gate Lineage)... have as Introductory exercises- Pore Breathing the whole bodyincluding Tan Tien

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Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy: ...you will learn many breathing techniques, including hair breathing, reverse breathing, bone marrow breathing, and several more. http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/1567188346 (http://www.amazon.com/Taoist-Yoga-Sexual-EnergyTransforming/dp/1567188346)


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 16 Apr 2014 - 10:47, said: Basically- Intermediate version of my technique: would be to draw a wide line with the ink marker- rather than a circle. Draw the line from Laogong hand point- to Daling wrist point all the way up inside of your forearm (inside your forearm = Qi flow pulling up toward your arm pit)- up past the bicepinto your arm pit- to your pectoral muscle Both arms Both legs- from Bubbling Springs up your legs- into Kua points/hip and into Pelvis We are not connecting Torso yet That will be Advanced- which consists of other components too

Since I feel the resonance in that center line path of my arms, should I start the intermediate version?

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joeblast

Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:10, said: Since I feel the resonance in that center line path of my arms, should I start the intermediate version? supplement that with some of my laogung breathing stuff I've talked about

and once you feel those results, extrapolate to the

yongquan analogue


Uroboros

joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:12, said: supplement that with some of my laogung breathing stuff I've talked about

and once you feel those results, extrapolate to

the yongquan analogue

If I breathe in through the LaoGung, I can feel the breath moving through the center of my arms straight into my chest....How cool! I will add this. Thanks, Joe! Edit- after doing a little, maybe 10 breaths, I get lightheaded and very high. Ungrounded, buzzing with energy without root or center...not a good feeling.

Edited by Uroboros, 16 April 2014 - 03:45 PM. joeblast

Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:53 PM keep your attention at the laogung, stay out of your head

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whenever I do this, the polarity flips at the elbow and immediately exits at the next polarity reversal (e.g. shu point on the back)...no yin felt, like punching a block of wood and the other end of the wood "moves" ....potential hits yin and there's like no "yin travel" or "travel time" it just bangs right out at the next yang spot. if that aint enough for you...oh... ok. on the inhale bring potential from the niwan down to the heart center...

what's that channel portion called from niwan to heart

center, max just mentioned it in that radio show TI just posted up...

bwahahaha, it like yin-packs-then-surges, yang manifests and wraps around like a warm blanket

Edited by joeblast, 16 April 2014 - 03:57 PM. Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:06 PM

SonOfTheGods

Yes, do like Joe said- and avoid that head center for awhile. There are various ways to enter/exit those glands in the brain that comes later on in Advanced It can get dangerous and do long term damage Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:10, said: Since I feel the resonance in that center line path of my arms, should I start the intermediate version?

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Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:10, said: Since I feel the resonance in that center line path of my arms, should I start the intermediate version?




Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:21, said: If I breathe in through the LaoGung, I can feel the breath moving through the center of my arms straight into my chest....How cool! I will add this. Thanks, Joe! Edit- after doing a little, maybe 10 breaths, I get lightheaded and very high. Ungrounded, buzzing with energy without root or center...not a good feeling.

joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 15:53, said: keep your attention at the laogung, stay out of your head whenever I do this, the polarity flips at the elbow and immediately exits at the next polarity reversal (e.g. shu point on the back)...no yin felt, like punching a block of wood and the other end of the wood "moves" ....potential hits yin and there's

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like no "yin travel" or "travel time" it just bangs right out at the next yang spot. if that aint enough for you...oh... ok. on the inhale bring potential from the niwan down to the heart center...

what's that channel portion called from niwan to

heart center, max just mentioned it in that radio show TI just posted up...

bwahahaha, it like yin-packs-then-surges, yang manifests and wraps around like a warm blanket




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In an Emergency: BRING YOUR AWARENESS DOWN TO THE BASE OF YOUR PENIS

& Drop it down it Perineum/Quick mental flash of deep down- 10 feet of Earth


Edit- after doing a little, maybe 10 breaths, I get lightheaded and very high. Ungrounded, buzzing with energy without root or center...not a good feeling.

Complete it in LDT- tying up loose energies still sporadic



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NeiGong Training Aids/Tools Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 10 2014 12:31 PM Page 1 of 4 Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:31 PM

SonOfTheGods

Attaining deep Alpha meditative state -DISCUSSED -CHECK* Physical Qi Balls you can make -DISCUSSED -CHECK* Orgone Capacitors/Yang -DISCUSSED -CHECK* Grounding Mats/Yi -DISCUSSED -CHECK* Dowsing Rods- for Yi Fields -DISCUSSED -CHECK* Cone for Crown Energy Transmissions -DISCUSSED -CHECK* Witch's Cradle -DISCUSSED -CHECK*

& more

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trying to meditate in a bright, or loud place. I've also heard that Alex Gray's Mindfold (http://www.mindfold.com/) is nice.


Wu Ming Jen

Sonofthegods is going to delete me and this is why. As a professional in Neigong all you need is a human body located between heaven and earth. Nooo don't push the red button, OK the black one with DEL is fine. I respect what ever you are doing SOGs and will not be a pain in the a$$ on your own forum, I know that is very disrespectful.


SonOfTheGods

Wu Ming Jen, on 10 Apr 2014 - 15:53, said: Sonofthegods is going to delete me and this is why. As a professional in Neigong all you need is a human body located between heaven and earth. Nooo don't push the red button, OK the black one with DEL is fine. I respect what ever you are doing SOGs and will not be a pain in the a$$ on your own forum, I know that is very disrespectful. Lol stop it!

speak up brother No deleting for that

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*you guys know what I'm talking about with the warning* I don't want to mention names lol I just want a peaceful forum to converse like adults.

yes nothing is needed and I agree These are just helpful tools and nothing more By all means post- this would be a boring forum otherwise if people didnt post lol


SonOfTheGods

Green Tiger, on 10 Apr 2014 - 13:22, said: I find a blindfold and ear plugs can be helpful, especially if I'm trying to meditate in a bright, or loud place. I've also heard that Alex Gray's Mindfold (http://www.mindfold.com/) is nice. The Ganzfield Effect is good too Cut a ping ball in half and tape it over your eyes Tune in white noise from a radio using head phones The Witch's Cradle is another technique too


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tendou

Tell us about how to get into alpha state superfast and superdeep. And what about energy transmission? Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:58 PM

BaguaKicksAss

SotG you do realize I can make you a whole heap of sub fora for your PPF right?


zerostao

has the 'witches cradle' been described?


Captain Mar-Vell ... How to empty?

Verbal Components: DAO MIND NO EMPTY Try this or similar;

Empty

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Mind Dao Dao Mind Empty Mind Dao Dao Mind Dao Mind No Mind Dao No No Dao

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Do it slowly, progressively slowing, and so on, make it up or similar, lower the tones, relax breath deep, allow syllables to hum or thrum from low down. And relax all muscles allowing gravity to be only influence. Done. You now in Dao. Aintcher? It workz fer me, anyway. But mebbe I always in Dao... Hmm. ....


SonOfTheGods Ok cool thank you

BaguaKicksAss, on 10 Apr 2014 - 22:58, said: SotG you do realize I can make you a whole heap of sub fora for your PPF right?

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zerostao, on 11 Apr 2014 - 08:24, said: has the 'witches cradle' been described? Nope lol


Captain Mar-Vell ... I try to help. /me bows most humbly. ...


Captain Mar-Vell ... No-one wants a witch hunt. ...


SonOfTheGods

tendou, on 10 Apr 2014 - 22:05, said: Tell us about how to get into alpha state superfast and superdeep.

There's the concept of Pavlov's Dog.

Quote During the 1890s Russian physiologist Ivan Pavlov was looking

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at salivation in dogs in response to being fed, when he noticed that his dogs would begin to salivate whenever he entered the room, even when he was not bringing them food.

Meaning, once you enter the Alpha state- perform a simple task, maybe a certain Mudra- embedding into the subconscious mind that whenever I perform this certain alpha mudra- more and more easily I will enter this deep trance state. As soon as my tongue touches middle palate, I am GONE. This has been practiced over many years though. Most of the answers to your questions are all pretty much the same. Practice practice and more practice. Short cuts can be dangerous,. Mental conditioning is key, here In a more advanced setting I could give you shortcuts If you were my student, in a physical setting I could give you personal advice- but online- you could injure yourself. We're limited here.

Quote

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What about energy transmission?


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zerostao, on 11 Apr 2014 - 08:24, said: has the 'witches cradle' been described? Witch's Cradle is a device for inducing altered states of consciousness. It disorients the practitioner, who might be hooded/blindfolded. Also sometimes pain and slight torture are utilized as wellmore as BDSM typical Sometimes certain drugs/ointments like Belladonna, Wolfbane are implemented. Isolation tanks with a heavy concentration of salts- thus Floatation tanks, can also be used.

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Dowsing Rods You can use a pendulum too I am a Professional Dowser. I have dowsed for water- streams, pipes, etc (gas pipes too) dangerdangerdanger

I have always felt the Yi by streams in the form of negatives ions So by using a sensitive "feel"- I have delved various levels as well as variables pertaining to Yi Raw center Earth Yi and multiple layers of Yi Qi Contact with these levels are the same as telepathic communication with people I am a nature person- naturally "pagan" and I can communicate with trees rocks etc

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Under the Earth are mineral deposits, quartz stratas, fossils and living organisms, etc Sedimentary layers which all carry their own unique energy fields

The area right directly under your feet will be different than under my feet

You can use a grounding wire/mat if you in a multi-tiered home. Insulation MAY block or impede much/some/none of the primal/primordial core Yi from deep inside the layers of Earth- in YOUR area- this depends on how RICH the dirt is below you. There are less raw, and less potent levels of Yi Qi that you will access without a grounding wire. Unless you are drilling deep into the dirt, you will still only access the less potent layers/levels of Yi. So again, this is more of a siphonoing/tapping ability than actually using tools to access Yi Qi. Yang can penetrate the ceilings, walls, etc of a home, as well as synthetic clothing you wear daily. Unless you want to reach out into the Ionsphere and siphon that magnetosphere, learn the dynamics of energetic manilpulation. Practicing Kunlun indoors will show you that Yi Qi can be harnassed without grounding wires- although Max the Kunlun

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teacher will tell you to use an animal fur/skin Every individual is born with innate abilities. If you happen to be born with more than enough carry over from past life natural abilities you can get away with a lot. Kundalini can "strike you" anywhere- and you do not need a +/power cord to harnass/access *it*


zerostao

ive done something similar in ma, without the bdsm or herbs. not that those dont sound interesting,,, or torture but it was used as sensitivity training. and also attempt to tai chi or bagua under water does witches cradle lead to alpha state? sounds like it would lead to a relaxed state


SonOfTheGods

zerostao, on 11 Apr 2014 - 13:05, said: ive done something similar in ma, without the bdsm or herbs. not that those dont sound interesting,,, or torture but it was used as sensitivity training. and also attempt to tai chi or bagua under water does witches cradle lead to alpha state? sounds like it would lead to a relaxed state It's sometimes used for scrying, light flagellation also. The surface skin area gets red and Histamines release and blood goes to the areas.

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Makes you disoriented from Endorphin release.


SonOfTheGods Physical Qi Balls you can make:

1- Roll up into a tight ball thin copper wire, that is bare/no rubber outside it make it the size of a marble 2- wrap this copper ball up in paper towel, toilet paper, 2 layers of paper 3- then wrap the whole ball into one sheet of aluminum foil now wrap this again in 2 layers of paper towel now wrap several layers of copper wire around it again Continue with wrapping of copper, paper, foil about 10 times. Make it tight and neat It should resemble a small tightly wrapped ball, ending up with aluminum foil as the complete final wrapper

This is an Orgone Capacitor If you made this correctly, you will feel Yang Qi emanating off of it It may feel like a slightl breeze to your touch

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Auric sight will actually see this as Blue energy You can make several of these and align a grid around yourself using sacred geometry 6 of them would make a Hexagram around you Hold one in your hand when you meditate and feel and absorb the energy use these in conjunction with a Yi grounding wire and it wil light up your Tan Tien

tendou

Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:05 AM SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 10:47, said: There's the concept of Pavlov's Dog.

Meaning, once you enter the Alpha state- perform a simple task, maybe a certain Mudra- embedding into the subconscious mind that whenever I perform this certain alpha mudra- more and more easily I will enter this deep trance state. As soon as my tongue touches middle palate, I am GONE. This has been practiced over many years though.

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Most of the answers to your questions are all pretty much the same. Practice practice and more practice. Short cuts can be dangerous,. Mental conditioning is key, here In a more advanced setting I could give you shortcuts If you were my student, in a physical setting I could give you personal advice- but online- you could injure yourself. We're limited here.

What about energy transmission?

Shortcut would be interesting, and time saving. Right now I sometime used brainwave entrainment, binaural, isochronic, monoaural soundwave. Only sometime. Going into deeper highly relaxed state while sitting is a bit harder than while lying down, though lying down there is the risk of falling asleep completely. About energy Transmission, what is it actually energy transmission?

SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 12:11, said: Witch's Cradle is a device for inducing altered states of consciousness.

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It disorients the practitioner, who might be hooded/blindfolded. Also sometimes pain and slight torture are utilized as wellmore as BDSM typical Sometimes certain drugs/ointments like Belladonna, Wolfbane are implemented. Isolation tanks with a heavy concentration of salts- thus Floatation tanks, can also be used.

Is this the extreme way to get into alpha and deeper?

Edited by tendou, 12 April 2014 - 11:05 AM. Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:14 AM

SonOfTheGods Energy transmission has it's uses.

I did it recently on a female who emailed me. I was going to do some work with Charles Crawford but I decided I didn't want weaponised Qi- so I dropped out. I was practicing transmission via distance and this young lady asked to be a recipient. However, she never posted her result on TaoBums, although she said she posted it some place else. She said she felt a lot of pain, so I'm not doing that anymore unless you are my student and standing in front of me. Beware of those who give reckless Shaktipat, etc

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"All you really need, you already have within yourself." -a certain charismatic master a few of us have met That said, of course tools can be helpful. Mindfold...I have one and its great for the airplane, but meditation? haha, gtfo my trigeminal!!! Earplugs, however, are a great tool - as is drawing a nice comfortable bath and laying back, let the warm water against the eardrums, now work until you hear no air move, work more until your heartbeat isnt the only THUMP, THUMP in your audiospectrum. Well, then you start hearing the darn house anyway Now, those hematite baoding balls I have...twirl them in front of the dantien, now that was interesting, normal baoding balls dont do that. Tools for helping open certain points, singing bowls and tuning forks and such can be useful. I have a 4KHz fork that absolutely pierces the yintang, almost a boring effect twisting it about the stem of the fork. A pair of tingsha, snaps the awareness front and center and if held in front of the eyes, can feel it vibrate the optic nerves all the way back, now how's that stereo go with alternate nostril breathing hahaha

or no-nostril breathing, for that

matter, a curious combination of center channel vs stereo since the olfactory nerves bypass the thalamus and are the only "true" left and "true" right (with no center component) signals that exist in the body, everything else has just center or both. Still, no technique like the central channel activation of lining up the laogung along the centerline, qihai, solar plexus, bring about potential at upper dt & lower dt, and then crunch/torque them together....it is like drawing a bow across a double bass

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SonOfTheGods

http://thetaobums.co...gorum/?p=539998 (http://thetaobums.com/topic/34447-neiongorum/?p=539998)


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Self-cultivation here means using the living energies of the different mountains and rivers of various regions to develop the true energy inside one's own body, causing one's inner work to reach further into the realms of sublimation day after day. Seeking out realized people means finding the real human beings in the esoteric domains of the famous mountains in the various regions. Exploring means searching out natural laws in different environments and life situations in order to find out how to survive. Taoists do not go traveling until they have reached a certain degree of accomplishment. This shows how very important a place travel occupies in the life of Taoist training. The Taoist observation of the natural world is extremely minute and detailed; it is permeated with a kind of philosophy, the doctrine of the unity of Nature and humanity. Changes in heaven and earth are intimately connected to changes in the human body. Only people of high attainment, however, are able to sense subtle changes in the outside world within their own bodies. Opening the Dragon Gate

SonOfTheGods

Posted 12 April 2014 - 05:38 PM GOOD TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FOR TRAINING

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LEARN TO WATCH FOR SIGNS FEELINGS & NATURAL AIDS


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As far as we can tell from written records, Chinese culture has existed for thousands of years, and its main thread, quite evidently, is Taoist culture. Over the long era of feudalism, however, the marrow of Taoist culture was officially suppressed time and again. Why? Because Taoists knew too much about heaven, earth, and humankind, so they were hard to dominate.

This book goes on to tell how the books and instructions were burned and banned, and circulated deliberate MISINFORMATION that confused both peasant and noble -

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and it is still being perpetrated today! This is why I trust No Teacher, nor Author, nor Video Producer/Documentary Directly/Indirectly: They themselves might not know it.

I LEARN MYSELF BY TRIAL AND ERROR


Captain Mar-Vell ... I just do stuff. I don't care. I just do it. ...

SonOfTheGods

Posted 12 April 2014 - 07:10 PM Cultivate in a Cemetery- heavy Yin there

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 08:21 PM SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 17:38, said: GOOD TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FOR TRAINING

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Quote Accepting that the magnetic field of Earth and the ionosphere are capable, under certain special conditions, of recording events occurring in society at corresponding times; then two conclusions follow. First, when the Earth's magnetic field and ionosphere are in normal states, events will not be recorded, so this results in significant "lacunas" in the record. Second, the special conditions of the Earth's magnetic field and ionosphere must coincide precisely with events spatially, or else they cannot make a recording. This hypothesis might explain certain extraordinary phenomena, but it cannot explain the various phenomena produced by advanced Taoists when they cultivate their practices, how they can view events of other times and places when the Earth's magnetic field and ionosphere are in a normal 4/30/2014 11:01 AM


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SonOfTheGods, on 12 Apr 2014 - 19:10, said: Cultivate in a Cemetery- heavy Yin there

How do you read my mind? SOTG? haha Actually I was thinking of PMing you about this, not writing about this in this thread as, it sounds a bit crazy. haha Maybe dig a deep hole and cultivate in the graveyard in night time.


SonOfTheGods

tendou, on 12 Apr 2014 - 20:57, said:

How do you read my mind? SOTG? haha Actually I was thinking of PMing you about this, not writing about this in this thread as, it sounds a bit crazy. haha Maybe dig a deep hole and cultivate in the graveyard in night time. Or sit under a tree Someone walking by and you scare the heck out of them lol

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tendou Spirit abundant.

Take great courage to be there. So maybe good for kidney?


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http://thetaobums.co...ty-on-practice/ (http://thetaobums.com /topic/4965-effect-of-solar-activity-on-practice/) its a bitch to try and keep track of this yourself when there's zero interest elsewhere

this was originally in general, then moved to

OT, then I finally requested it be moved to my ppf since I was the *only* person posting in it


Captain Mar-Vell ... Quote

Someone walking by and you scare the heck out of them lol

They would be more likely to scare the heck out of the cowardly lion! ...


SonOfTheGods

joeblast, on 13 Apr 2014 - 12:25, said: http://thetaobums.co...ty-on-practice/ (http://thetaobums.com /topic/4965-effect-of-solar-activity-on-practice/) its a bitch to try and keep track of this yourself when there's zero interest elsewhere

this was originally in general, then moved

to OT, then I finally requested it be moved to my ppf since I was the *only* person posting in it Most have no clue about the effects this has.

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Most don't understand the power of lunar cycles, solar flares, etc Of course, *You* would understand though Awesome stuff man


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 13 Apr 2014 - 12:30, said: Most have no clue about the effects this has. Most don't understand the power of lunar cycles, solar flares, etc Of course, *You* would understand though Awesome stuff man

Those Solar and Lunar events always hit me like a truck! Sometimes a truck filled with chocolate...other times a truck full of boulders! Haha I figured it out 2 years ago that I would feel horrid whenever a solar flare of certain magnitudes hit. The moon mostly, when in powerful states, energizes me...or makes me want to stay up and howl at it! hah Nite Lyfe Foh Evah!!

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Yeah, that is the best time to do meditation during full moon, but also this is the reason why the taoist insist so much on gathering Yin energy.


SonOfTheGods

tonight lunar eclipse and blood full moon ______

Also, I could use a little back up on this thread here; people on there saying I am not teaching you guys correctly, and you won't get any results remarks like these will close down this forum

so if you have my techniques worthwhile- please post something on this thread: http://thetaobums.co...-14#entry540632 (http://thetaobums.com /topic/34385-what-do-you-think-the-forum-can-do-to-attractsome-quality-teachers/page-14#entry540632)

Uroboros

Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:23 PM YES! Tonight is a HUGE lunar event! Astrologically, its a big deal. Cardinal Cross is kicking in high gear! There will always be haters, SOTG. I appreciate what you are

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doing and find it valuable. Others do as well.


tendou What about this one?

https://www.google.c...ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg (https://www.google.com/search?q=aluminium+camping+mat& client=opera&hs=N3j&channel=suggest&biw=1366&bih=645& source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=iYNaU-7eGqG9iAfv7oHYCw& ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg) much more comfortable than sitting on steel. Although Copper conduct better but aluminium still conduct current.


SonOfTheGods

tendou, on 25 Apr 2014 - 10:51, said: What about this one? https://www.google.c...ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg (https://www.google.com /search?q=aluminium+camping+mat&client=opera&hs=N3j& channel=suggest&biw=1366&bih=645&source=lnms& tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=iYNaU-7eGqG9iAfv7oHYCw& ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg) much more comfortable than sitting on steel. Although Copper conduct better but aluminium still conduct current. Not sure, as I would have to thoroughly examine it. Besides it must be grounded via wire, etc

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SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 11:02, said: Not sure, as I would have to thoroughly examine it. Besides it must be grounded via wire, etc Yeah. I mean we use wire to connect to the parts with the aluminium parts. As there is insulation type material in the middle of the aluminiun sheet. for comfort.


SonOfTheGods

tendou, on 25 Apr 2014 - 11:10, said: Yeah. I mean we use wire to connect to the parts with the aluminium parts. As there is insulation type material in the middle of the aluminiun sheet. for comfort. http://thetaobums.co...ow/#entry543211 (http://thetaobums.com /topic/34538-yin-field-what-why-how/#entry543211)


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 12:49, said: Dowsing Rods You can use a pendulum too

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I am a Professional Dowser. I have dowsed for water- streams, pipes, etc (gas pipes too) dangerdangerdanger

I have always felt the Yi by streams in the form of negatives ions So by using a sensitive "feel"- I have delved various levels as well as variables pertaining to Yi Raw center Earth Yi and multiple layers of Yi Qi Contact with these levels are the same as telepathic communication with people I am a nature person- naturally "pagan" and I can communicate with trees rocks etc Under the Earth are mineral deposits, quartz stratas, fossils and living organisms, etc Sedimentary layers which all carry their own unique energy fields

The area right directly under your feet will be different than under my feet

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home. Insulation MAY block or impede much/some/none of the primal/primordial core Yi from deep inside the layers of Earthin YOUR area- this depends on how RICH the dirt is below you. There are less raw, and less potent levels of Yi Qi that you will access without a grounding wire. Unless you are drilling deep into the dirt, you will still only access the less potent layers/levels of Yi. So again, this is more of a siphonoing/tapping ability than actually using tools to access Yi Qi. Yang can penetrate the ceilings, walls, etc of a home, as well as synthetic clothing you wear daily. Unless you want to reach out into the Ionsphere and siphon that magnetosphere, learn the dynamics of energetic manilpulation. Practicing Kunlun indoors will show you that Yi Qi can be harnassed without grounding wires- although Max the Kunlun teacher will tell you to use an animal fur/skin Every individual is born with innate abilities. If you happen to be born with more than enough carry over from past life natural abilities you can get away with a lot. Kundalini can "strike you" anywhere- and you do not need a +/power cord to harnass/access *it*

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How do you increase the accuracy/ be accurate in your dowsing? I have done it before and I was sometimes accurate, some not... Its always hard to tell.


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 20:17, said: How do you increase the accuracy/ be accurate in your dowsing? I have done it before and I was sometimes accurate, some not... Its always hard to tell. just basic practice like astral travel do it, then examine accuracy of results afterwards



Do it, then examine accuracy of results afterwards.

Even Idealists like me can follow the scientific method.

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EyE Spirit Scientist. xxx. ps SOTG is marvellous! Who evah he be...

... da posse...

...


tendou Lots of stuff here.

http://www.lessemf.c...abric.html#1209 (http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html#1209)

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Captain Mar-Vell, on 26 Apr 2014 - 14:45, said: ... Even Idealists like me can follow the scientific method. EyE Spirit Scientist. xxx. ps SOTG is marvellous! Who evah he be...

... da posse...

... thankyou Brother


SonOfTheGods

tendou, on 27 Apr 2014 - 23:46, said: Lots of stuff here. http://www.lessemf.c...abric.html#1209 (http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html#1209)

Quote

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Need a ground cord?

6-foot long ground cord, alligator clip on one end bites onto fabric, 3-prong-style plug on the other end plugs easily into your grounded outlet. Only the round lug is connected to the wire. The 2 flat prongs are not connected to anything. Grounding Cord, 3-prong/gator (Cat. #A295-3) ...... $6.00

(http://www.aitsafe.com

/cf/add.cfm?userid=1151290& product=a295-3+Ground+Cable,+plug-gator+6-ft&price=6.00& thumb=a295-3.jpg&units=0.5&return=www.lessemf.com /fabric.html#1209) Need a different style? More ground cords click here. (http://www.lessemf.com/ground.html#295)

That alligator clip on the connecting end looks quite PAINFUL LOL

joeblast

Posted 28 April 2014 - 12:24 PM 6 bucks for that? you can make one out of any 3 pronged wire.

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if you're lazy, lop off the smaller black side prong that goes into the plug. (of course if you have a ground fault you're gonna be connected to nothing with the 3rd prong) do things in proper order and you can just add a new breaker into the master switch without even shutting anything down, just make sure the breaker to be installed is off, connect the white, then place & screw in the breaker, turn it on. not dangerous so long as you know the correct way to do these things. (just like neigong eh?) if you use the ol screw together plug end, then you can leave the white & black unconnected so you dont even have the potential for breaker-current to go through the wire.

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SonOfTheGods, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:04, said: That alligator clip on the connecting end looks quite PAINFUL

LOL Where do you want to connect it? They sell lots of fabric with conductivity. Interesting stuff. I think could be used if you got some.

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SonOfTheGods We'll see about this one


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SonOfTheGods

Anyone interested in branching off to this? Although it is the Natural Progression- but very advanced:

Quote Neidan, or internal alchemy[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#cite_note-1) (simplified Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters)

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: 內丹术; traditional Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_characters) : 內丹術; pinyin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin) : nèidān shù), is an array of esoteric doctrines and physical, mental, and spiritual practices that Taoist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist) initiates use to prolong life and create an immortal spiritual body that would survive after death.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#cite_note-2) Also known as Jindan ("golden elixir"), inner alchemy combines theories derived from external alchemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_alchemy) (waidan), correlative cosmology (including the Five Phases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Phases) ), the emblems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba_gua) of the Yijing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yijing) , and medical theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine) , with techniques of Daoist meditation (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Daoist_meditation) , daoyin (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Daoyin) gymnastics, and sexual hygiene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_sexual_practices) .[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-3) In Neidan the human body becomes a cauldron in which the Three Treasures (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Three_Treasures_%28traditional_Chinese_medicine%29 ) of Jing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jing_%28TCM%29) ("Essence"), Qi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) ("Breath") and Shen (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Shen_%28Chinese_religion%29) ("Spirit") are cultivated for the purpose of improving physical, emotional and mental health, and ultimately returning to the primordial unity of the Tao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao) , i.e., becoming an Immortal (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Xian_%28Taoism%29) . It is believed the Xiuzhen Tu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiuzhen_Tu) is such a

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cultivation map. In China, it is an important form of practice for most schools of Taoism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism) . Neidan is part of the Chinese alchemical meditative tradition that is said to have been separated into internal and external (Waidan (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Chinese_alchemy#Outer_alchemy_.28Waidan.29) ) at some point during the Tang dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Tang_dynasty) . The Cantong qi (The Kinship of the Three (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/The_Kinship_of_the_Three) ) is the earliest known book on theoretical alchemy in China; it was written by the alchemist Wei Boyang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei_Boyang) in 142 AD. This text influenced the formation of Neidan, whose earliest existing texts date from the first half of the eighth century. The authors of several Neidan articles refer to their teachings as the Way of the Golden Elixir (jindan zhi dao). The majority of Chinese alchemical sources is found in the Daozang (Taoist Canon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_Canon) ), the largest collection of Taoist texts. Neidan shares a significant portion of its notions and methods with classical Chinese medicine, fangshi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fangshi) and with other bodies of practices, such as meditation (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Meditation) and the methods for "nourishing life" (yangsheng). What distinguishes alchemy from these related traditions is its unique view of the elixir as a material or immaterial entity that represents the original state of being and the attainment of that state. The Neidan tradition of internal alchemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy) is practiced by working with the energies that were already present in the human body as opposed to using natural substances, medicines or elixirs, from outside of the body. The Shangqing

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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Supreme_Pure_One) (Supreme Clarity) tradition of Daoism played an important role in the emergence of Neidan alchemy, after using Waidan mainly as a meditative practice, and therefore turning it from an external to an internal art.

Contents 1 General concepts (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#General_concepts) 2 The Three Treasures (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#The_Three_Treasures) 2.1 Chi (Ch'i or qi) (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#Chi_.28Ch.27i_or_qi.29) 2.2 Jing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#Jing) 2.3 Shen [神] (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#Shen_.5B.E7.A5.9E.5D)

3 See also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#See_also) 4 References (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#References) 5 Works cited (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#Works_cited) 6 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org

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/wiki/Neidan#External_links)

General concepts Taoism focuses on the balance of yin and yang in one's life (Hopfe and Woodward 167). Internal alchemy focuses on the body and how you are able to use the Three Treasures, chi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) , jing (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Jing_%28Chinese_medicine%29) and shen (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Shen_%28Chinese_religion%29) , to bring this balance to your life. These are the energy that makes up life (Kohn 145-149). Each individual is able to practice internal alchemy on their own, the religious leaders of Taoism are there for guidance (Smith 199-204). Chi is defined as the "natural energy of the universe" and can be found in everything, including each individual person (Carroll). Throughout Taoists' lives, they try to obtain a positive flow of chi, which flows through the body in paths moving to each individual organ, from the perspective of internal alchemy (Smith 199-204). Taoists map out the body according to these paths. If a path is blocked, the chi does not flow properly; this blockage disrupts the balance of yin and yang. Taoists developed methods to help get rid of these harmful blockages so that the body's balance can be restored (Majka, Thompson, Schipper). The second treasure, jing, is essential for humans to live; it is referred to as the energies of the body (Kohn 145-149). It corresponds most closely to the energy of the physical body. The conserving of jing in the body is heavily focused on internal alchemy (Smith 199-200). It is thought that a person dies when they lost, or ran out of jing. Taoists believed that preserving jing allowed people to live longer, if not to achieve immortality

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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortality) . The idea of immortality came about because Taoists believed that if jing in the body could be preserved the energies in the body could be saved, which allowed you to live (Schipper). Shen, the third and final treasure, is the original spirit of the body. This is all that happens in the body without the acknowledgment of the human (Nedidan: The Traditional Meditative Practice, 14). Taoists try to become conscious of shen through meditation (Smith, 199-204). Shen is the energy that each organ, in the body, possesses. Each organ in the body has an element associated with it, fire, wood, water, metal, or earth (The Five Shen (http://en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php?title=The_Five_Shen&action=edit&redlink=1) ). When the "three treasures" are maintained in the body, along with a balance of yin and yang, it is possible to achieve a healthy body, and longevity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longevity) ; which are the main goals of internal alchemy (Ching 395, Hopfe and Woodward 167). The Three Treasures Main article: Three Treasures (traditional Chinese medicine) (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Three_Treasures_%28traditional_Chinese_medicine%29 ) Inner alchemy practice can be generalized into three phases. The three phases are known as the "three treasures". The "three treasures" of human life are vitality- jing (ching), energy-chi (ch'i), and spirit-shen (chen) (Kohn 145-149). It can be explained in the Zhonghe ji which was quoted in the book: Daoism and Chinese Culture by Livia Kohn: Making one's essence complete, one can preserve the body. To do so, first keep the body at ease, and make sure there are no desires. Thereby energy can be made complete.

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Making one's energy complete, one can nurture the mind. To do so, first keep the mind pure, and make sure there are no thoughts. Thereby spirit can be made complete. Making one's spirit complete, one can recover emptiness. To do so, first keep the will sincere, and make sure body and mind are united. Thereby spirit can be returned to emptiness. ... To attain immortality, there is nothing else but the refinement of these three treasures: essence, energy, spirit." (Kohn 145-149).

The "three treasures" need to work with one another and never without each other. One cannot exist without the other one. These "three treasures" are important in the longevity techniques that are used to achieve immortality and physical manifestation of the Dao (Ching 395). Chi (Ch'i or qi) Chi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) is the vital force that operates the body and manifests in everyone and everything "the natural energy of the universe" (Carroll). The home of chi is said to be centered around the liver. Chi is one of the "three treasures". Having harmony is one of the most important concepts of Chi. Keeping a proper balance of Yin and Yang (positive and negative) forces. Trouble either on a personal or on a larger scale is a form of disharmony and may lead to illness or stress. This is accomplished by having too much of either Yin or Yang forces (Hopfe and Woodward 167). Healing practices through acupuncture (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Acupuncture) , massage (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Massage) , cupping (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Cupping_therapy) and herbal medicines

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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbal_medicines) can open up the chi meridians throughout the body so that the chi in the body can flow freely. By keeping chi in balance and flowing throughout the body promotes health; imbalance can lead to sickness. This doesn't only apply to the body but the environment as well, being nature or man-made. Feng Shui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Shui) methods are used to keep a healthy balance and a more open flow of chi in one's environment (Majka). Feng Shui means "wind-water". Chi is scattered by the wind and is gathered by water. It is good to have a home by a river or body of water so chi could flow past your home, also to build in front of a hill so bad chi cannot flow into your home. Modern feng shui focuses on moving objects such as furniture around to help promote a positive outcome of chi in the chosen space. Traditionally it was used to find homes and good burial sites that had good amounts of Yin-chi and Yang-chi, insuring that one's spirit wouldn't get stuck in the mortal plane, but rise to join the ancestors (Thompson 19-22). Jing (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/File:Wiki_letter_w_cropped.svg) This section requires expansion (http://en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php?title=Neidan&action=edit) . (January 2014) Jing (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Jing_%28Chinese_medicine%29) , or vitality, is the second of the "three treasures" of human life.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-4) According to tradition, Jīng is stored in the kidneys and is the most dense physical matter within the body (as opposed to shén which is

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the most volatile). It is said to be the material basis for the physical body and is yīn (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Yin_and_yang) in nature, which means it nourishes, fuels, and cools the body. As such it is an important concept in the internal martial arts (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Internal_martial_arts) . Jīng is also believed by some to be the carrier of our heritage (similar to DNA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA) ). Production of semen, in the man, and menstrual blood (or pregnancy), in the woman, are believed to place the biggest strains on jīng. Because of this, some even equate jīng with semen, but this is inaccurate; the jīng circulates through the eight extraordinary vessels and creates marrow and semen, among other functions.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-5)

Shen [神] Shen or the spirit (the most pure and vital energy) involves the mental activities of a person including their consciousness. Shen can also be said to include the nerve system. The nerve system consists of the "original spirit" and actions that are vital to survival such as breathing or the heart beat. A person's consciousness is the spirit of knowing, conscious activities, and the thinking process which can be developed through learning. Internal alchemists focus on the original spirit of shen (Nedidan: The Traditional Meditative Practice 14). Shen implies a person's mental function and consciousness as well as vitality, mental health and overall "presence". Shen is known to reside mainly in the heart, or more specifically, the blood which relies on the heart. It is believed that shen sleeps at night and if it is disturbed the result can be insomnia. Healthy shen can be seen in a person's physical appearance through the eyes. If the eyes are bright and shining with liveliness it indicates a healthy shen. If one's shen is unhealthy their eyes

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will appear dull. The shen is dependent on the jing and chi. (Shen: Traditional Chinese Medicine 1-4) If the jing and the chi are happy then the shen will be content as well. Shen can be thought of as either a singular concept or a plural concept. When viewed singularly shen is located in the heart and known as heart shen. When viewed as a plural concept it is found in five of the yin organs; the heart, the kidneys, the spleen, the lungs and the liver. The singular shen depends on the others as the others depend on it. If the heart shen is not functioning properly it can damage the other shen and lead to problems such as mental illness. (Chaqging Yang 6) Shen[神神]: The Emperor of the Heart The element associated with the heart is fire. The heart shen involves the quality of awareness one has and is shown in the responsiveness of the eyes. The xin or mind exists as part of the heart. Often viewed as a corona to the sun of the heart. Zhi [志志]: The Kidney's Will to Act Zhi is one's will and is represented by the element of water. Zhi embodies one's effort and perseverance to succeed in spiritual practice. Through the zhi one may hope to align themselves with the "will of Heaven", or the Dao. Yi [意意]: Intellect of the Spleen Earth is the element of yi. It is said to assist in the formation of intentions and when not in balance it can lead to problems with the spleen. When healthy it is evident as a spirit permeated with intelligence. Within the spleen also exists the xing or "map" of the body, often this concept is viewed as the blueprint of our existence. Po [魄魄]: The Corporal Soul of the Lungs Po (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_and_po) concerns our immediate desires and only lasts as long as one lives. It is the polar of hun and is found in the element of metal. There are traditionally 13 po spirits that reside in the lung. Hun [魂魂]: The Ethereal Soul of the Liver Hun

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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_and_po) is represented by the element of wood and has the ability to survive subtly after death. It involves long range commitments and as one's spiritual consciousness develops the po becomes support of the hun. (The Five Shen). There are seen to be 3 hun that form at conception, the yin hun, the yang hun and the ren (human) hun. When all forms of shen are functioning properly and the shen is in harmony one is said to have achieved shen unity. See also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Taijitu_red.PNG) Taoism portal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Taoism)

Daoyin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daoyin) Bigu (avoiding grains) (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Bigu_%28avoiding_grains%29) Liu Yiming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Yiming) (1734-1821) Neigong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neigong) Neijia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neijia) Neijing Tu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neijing_Tu) Qigong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong)

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References

1. The concept is often analogized with the "spiritual alchemy" of the West. Joseph Needham (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Joseph_Needham) coined the term "anablastemic enchymoma" to translate the Chinese term "neidan"; anablastemic refers to the restoration of youth, and enchymoma refers to the elixir within. See: Peng Yoke Ho, Explorations in Daoism: Medicine And Alchemy in Literature (http://books.google.gr /books?id=O7eDISxgGIMC&dq=) , Taylor & Francis, 2007, Pg. 2 and, Charles R. Stone, The Fountainhead of Chinese Erotica: The Lord of Perfect Satisfaction (http://books.google.gr/books?id=kiwdj5GZniUC&dq=) , University of Hawaii Press, 2003, Pg. 180. 2. Skar & Pregadio 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#CITEREFSkarPregadio2000) , p. 464. 3. Baldrian-Hussein 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#CITEREFBaldrian-Hussein2008) , p. 762. 4. Kohn 145-149 5. Maciocia 1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Neidan#CITEREFMaciocia1989) , ch. 3: The Vital Substances

Uroboros

Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:40 PM The process of immortality is one I am extremely interested in.

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I am down for some of that, as the youths say these days.



I am down for some of that, as the youths say these days.

Ha ha ha! I'm down fer sum a dat! Jah! Bein' a Heavenly Immortal Rox!

U in da rite plaice. ...


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:40, said: The process of immortality is one I am extremely interested in. I am down for some of that, as the youths say these days. You're doing Neidan

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Process Jin Dan- Golden Pill


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 15 Apr 2014 - 18:45, said: You're doing Neidan Process Jin Dan- Golden Pill

Thats Amazing! Im so glad Im already in the process....If I had spent three years wasting my time....That would be sad. The Jin Dan is something I am extremely interested in. As in the NeiDan/Gong.


Uroboros

I have a question that I think the answer to would benefit allot of students of these arts. At what point in sexual activity/ arousal do we start to spend vital essences? At what point in the process is there no chance of absorbing what

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has been spent? The goal of these questions is to better understand how sexuality can be expressed while at the same time, cultivating godhood. Thanks!


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If you want to take the extreme hard stance on it, anything aside from morning wood! And even at that, there is the circulation practice from taoist yoga buried in my ppf is for retrieving that energy. Some others will say its when the door opens for lubrication, other say just be natural, there are really only certain times and time periods that retaining is necessary. (And then some say its not necessary at all, just go easy and be natural and dont abuse your resources.) But really, if you want to ask at what point do things begin to manifest, and look no further than the efferent nerves attached to the structures in question - efferent designed to carry signal away from the brain - and the root of it is the mind itself. But its not just manifestation/production of various fluids - if the mind becomes neurotic about something like this, how do you think that qualitatively changes the efferent signal pattern? (Remember the first time you talked to a really pretty girl, or the first time you had sex, for example.) Before you put it in too stringent of a context though, remember that energy exchange is natural and invigorating in and of itself, of course so long as you're not screwing like rabbits to the point where you are depleting yourself.

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joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 07:40, said: If you want to take the extreme hard stance on it, anything aside from morning wood! And even at that, there is the circulation practice from taoist yoga buried in my ppf is for retrieving that energy. Some others will say its when the door opens for lubrication, other say just be natural, there are really only certain times and time periods that retaining is necessary. (And then some say its not necessary at all, just go easy and be natural and dont abuse your resources.) But really, if you want to ask at what point do things begin to manifest, and look no further than the efferent nerves attached to the structures in question - efferent designed to carry signal away from the brain - and the root of it is the mind itself. But its not just manifestation/production of various fluids - if the mind becomes neurotic about something like this, how do you think that qualitatively changes the efferent signal pattern? (Remember the first time you talked to a really pretty girl, or the first time you had sex, for example.) Before you put it in too stringent of a context though, remember that energy exchange is natural and invigorating in and of itself, of course so long as you're not screwing like rabbits to the point where you are depleting yourself. I was going to mention Taoist Yoga by Lukgood book

joeblast

Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:23 PM joeblast, on 04 Aug 2012 - 14:23, said: pasting in morning vitality circulation from TY

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The cavity of mortality (root of the penis, huiyin) is the source from which all vitality circulates to the body. Focus on the cavity as the point of departure for the vitality and "breathe through the channels" in the path outlined upon getting out of bed in the morning.

1-Breathe in to drive the vital breath up from the huiyin through the governing vessel (tu mo) in the spine to the brain 2-Breathe out to lower the vital breath through the conception vessel (jen mo) down the front of the body to return to the huiyin. 3-Breathe in raising from huiyin through CV (jen mo) to the cavity of vitality (lower dantien) continuing split in two along both sides of the belt vessel (tai mo) joining at the lower back, continuing on up to the T5 vertebra (GV11 which is the heart point of the back) where it stops 4-Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders down into the (positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both wrists, to the middle fingers before reaching the centers of both palms (PC8, laogung) where it stops (the common arm & legs channels are simply grouped together here since they flow in common direction.) 5-Breathe in to lift the vital breath from laogung into the (negative) yin yu channels on the insides of the wrists up to the chest where it stops

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6-Breathe out to drive the vital breath down to the belt vessel where its two branches reunite before returning to the mortal cavity (huiyin) 7-Breathe in to lift it from the mortal cavity into the central channel (thrusting vessel, chung mo) up to the solar plexus (chiang kung cavity) where it stops; on no account should it rise above the heart. 8-Breathe out to send it from under the heart down to the huiyin where it divides into two to descend in the two (positive) yang chiao channels on the outer sides of the thighs and through the toes of the feet before reaching the yongquan cavity (KD1 point) where it stops 9-Breathe in to raise it from the yongquan into the (negative) yin chiao channels in the inner sides of the legs up to the huiyin and then to the lower dantien where it stops. 10-Breathe out to lower it to the huiyin where it stops. This is especially effective if you do seated meditation at night. Even moreso if you can well maintain a still heart and don’t overindulge in senses. This circulation will eventually cause the vital force to thoroughly cleanse the channels and if you are able to produce real vitality it will vibrate through all of these channels, cleansing and purifying them. (this is not verbatim from how it is in the book.)

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joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 12:23, said: joeblast, on 04 Aug 2012 - 14:23, said: pasting in morning vitality circulation from TY

I have done this in the past and it is a great energy circulation practice. I suddenly want to do it again ! Thanks for sharing


Uroboros

joeblast, on 16 Apr 2014 - 12:23, said: joeblast, on 04 Aug 2012 - 14:23, said: pasting in morning vitality circulation from TY

The cavity of mortality (root of the penis, huiyin) is the source from which all vitality circulates to the body. Focus on the cavity as the point of departure for the vitality and "breathe through the channels" in the path outlined upon getting out of bed in the morning.

1-Breathe in to drive the vital breath up from the huiyin through the governing vessel (tu mo) in the spine to the brain 2-Breathe out to lower the vital breath through the conception vessel (jen mo) down the front of the body to return to the huiyin.

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3-Breathe in raising from huiyin through CV (jen mo) to the cavity of vitality (lower dantien) continuing split in two along both sides of the belt vessel (tai mo) joining at the lower back, continuing on up to the T5 vertebra (GV11 which is the heart point of the back) where it stops 4-Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders down into the (positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both wrists, to the middle fingers before reaching the centers of both palms (PC8, laogung) where it stops (the common arm & legs channels are simply grouped together here since they flow in common direction.) 5-Breathe in to lift the vital breath from laogung into the (negative) yin yu channels on the insides of the wrists up to the chest where it stops 6-Breathe out to drive the vital breath down to the belt vessel where its two branches reunite before returning to the mortal cavity (huiyin) 7-Breathe in to lift it from the mortal cavity into the central channel (thrusting vessel, chung mo) up to the solar plexus (chiang kung cavity) where it stops; on no account should it rise above the heart. 8-Breathe out to send it from under the heart down to the huiyin where it divides into two to descend in the two (positive) yang chiao channels on the outer sides of the thighs and through the toes of the feet before reaching the yongquan cavity (KD1 point) where it stops 9-Breathe in to raise it from the yongquan into the (negative)

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yin chiao channels in the inner sides of the legs up to the huiyin and then to the lower dantien where it stops. 10-Breathe out to lower it to the huiyin where it stops. This is especially effective if you do seated meditation at night. Even moreso if you can well maintain a still heart and don’t overindulge in senses. This circulation will eventually cause the vital force to thoroughly cleanse the channels and if you are able to produce real vitality it will vibrate through all of these channels, cleansing and purifying them. (this is not verbatim from how it is in the book.)

I like the small changes you made, JoeBlast. Makes it clearer and easier to integrate. Thanks for sharing!

SonOfTheGods

Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:32 PM Here's a little secret (might not be a secret) From LDT to perineum, then back up to LDT- pump the floorsqueeze hard and release with every inhale-squeeze and every exhale/release all the while bring flow up/inhale- down/exhale. You will feel Yin Magnetic and Yang heat sametime This is a good fusion build up yinyang

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Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:32, said: Here's a little secret (might not be a secret) From LDT to perineum, then back up to LDT- pump the floorsqueeze hard and release with every inhale-squeeze and every exhale/release all the while bring flow up/inhale- down/exhale. You will feel Yin Magnetic and Yang heat sametime This is a good fusion build up yinyang

This does create a good amount of heat in the HuiYin and LDT area...cooler in between them, still warm, though. The HuiYin area is more tingly hot while the LDT is just hot.


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:58, said: This does create a good amount of heat in the HuiYin and LDT area...cooler in between them, still warm, though. The HuiYin area is more tingly hot while the LDT is just hot. good job!

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NeiDan Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 10 2014 12:39 PM Page 2 of 2 Posted 18 April 2014 - 05:37 PM

Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:32, said: Here's a little secret (might not be a secret) From LDT to perineum, then back up to LDT- pump the floorsqueeze hard and release with every inhale-squeeze and every exhale/release all the while bring flow up/inhale- down/exhale. You will feel Yin Magnetic and Yang heat sametime This is a good fusion build up yinyang

I like doing this practice with the softer squeeze of the HuiYin...it gets things moving in a softer way. I can feel a -ping pongeysensation between the LDT and HuiYin as the flow strengthens...nearly runs itself after a point! Is it possible to destroy a TanTien? If so, and you had a large enough Qi stored, could you re-make it? Would it flood into the Vessels and make the whole body a TanTien? Do the cords of the LDT need to be dissolved/ severed for the body to become a TanTien?

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SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 17:37, said: I like doing this practice with the softer squeeze of the HuiYin...it gets things moving in a softer way. I can feel a -ping pongeysensation between the LDT and HuiYin as the flow strengthens...nearly runs itself after a point! Is it possible to destroy a TanTien? If so, and you had a large enough Qi stored, could you re-make it? Would it flood into the Vessels and make the whole body a TanTien? Do the cords of the LDT need to be dissolved/ severed for the body to become a TanTien? You're way too ahead lol TanTien is a physical and non-physical "cavity" destroying it permanently? I highly doubt it think about the garbage people consume soda alcohol drugs junk-foods poisoned air cigarettes etc yet they cultivate


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:21, said: You're way too ahead lol

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TanTien is a physical and non-physical "cavity" destroying it permanently? I highly doubt it think about the garbage people consume soda alcohol drugs junk-foods poisoned air cigarettes etc yet they cultivate

haha, I wont jump ahead! Ok, I lie! I always do....so much knowledge...thirsting.... wait, you arent talking about the way I was practicing the LDT HuiYin pump? Cavity...JAJ MQ Book talked about the points as more accurately being -cavities- or -wells/pools-...I love that idea...It brings forth allot of sensations within my body that before, were murky. My LDT feels, at times, like a pool / whirlpool/ vortex sucking inward.. To where, I dont know. Just that it is. Sometimes it spins in counter and clockwise when it sucks. Is that a good thing?


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:33, said: haha, I wont jump ahead! Ok, I lie! I always do....so much knowledge...thirsting....

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wait, you arent talking about the way I was practicing the LDT HuiYin pump? Cavity...JAJ MQ Book talked about the points as more accurately being -cavities- or -wells/pools-...I love that idea...It brings forth allot of sensations within my body that before, were murky. My LDT feels, at times, like a pool / whirlpool/ vortex sucking inward.. To where, I dont know. Just that it is. Sometimes it spins in counter and clockwise when it sucks. Is that a good thing?

No I meant too far ahead as in your quote here: Quote Do the cords of the LDT need to be dissolved/ severed for the body to become a TanTien?

I don't read anything by JAJ, so I have no clue what Mr. Johnson's take on any of it is.

But the LDT vortex, yes I agree. I posted a thread awhile ago about the LDT being comparable to a Black Hole. It sucks through via huyin/baihui - and limbs if pore breathing like in Longmen Pai the LDT uses that too

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Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 18 Apr 2014 - 18:41, said: No I meant too far ahead as in your quote here: I don't read anything by JAJ, so I have no clue what Mr. Johnson's take on any of it is.

But the LDT vortex, yes I agree. I posted a thread awhile ago about the LDT being comparable to a Black Hole. It sucks through via huyin/baihui - and limbs if pore breathing like in Longmen Pai the LDT uses that too

Ah, ok. Good. So just the questions I am asking are too far. Do you want me to attempt to keep my questions to the current level this thread is at? Do you have anything against JAJ and his material? If so, I would like to know what it is..Helps to gain greater clarity, if opposite views are known. If I breathe into the LDT and utilize the Black Hole intent...would that be a solid method of cultivation into the Nei Gong/ Dan? Do you happen to feel like sharing some Pore Breathing techniques that work with the vortexing?

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I have been feeling the sucking sensation of my LDT for a bit, breathing into it, keeping half awareness of it as much as possible and something has changed. Now, the area of the QiHai feels very full, like there is something there..its also warm and the warmth is vibrating slightly. Edit- the full area is now jumping around a bit inside...the skin around the QiHai cavity feels taught from the internal pressure. Is this a negative reaction?


SonOfTheGods

No no you can ask anything dude- just the cords dissolving is to be discussed further on that other thread "How to cut the cords"- so I rather keep that topic separate because you just know it will cause all types of confusion and someone will get hurt lol


Ah, ok. Good. So just the questions I am asking are too far. Do you want me to attempt to keep my questions to the current level this thread is at?

Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 20:44, said: Do you have anything against JAJ and his material? If so, I would like to know what it is..Helps to gain greater clarity, if opposite views are known.

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Dr. Jerry Alan Johnson has a lot of material. I actually have all his books EXCEPT "Daoist Alchemy" Ummm-- JAJ is a christian, so it sort of ruined it all for me. Unless his recent "Daoist Alchemy" is redeeming, which I don't know -because I don't have it


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 20:44, said: If I breathe into the LDT and utilize the Black Hole intent...would that be a solid method of cultivation into the Nei Gong/ Dan? Do you happen to feel like sharing some Pore Breathing techniques that work with the vortexing? Dragon Gate uses pore breathing for the LDT

That is a good one, and inhaling the SOL as I mentioned somewhere on this PPF

Yes, I have many various techniques for pore breathing I got millions of techniques- beginners intermediate advanced super advanced super duper advanced

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er, you get the message LOL heh


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 18 Apr 2014 - 21:22, said: I have been feeling the sucking sensation of my LDT for a bit, breathing into it, keeping half awareness of it as much as possible and something has changed. Now, the area of the QiHai feels very full, like there is something there..its also warm and the warmth is vibrating slightly. Edit- the full area is now jumping around a bit inside...the skin around the QiHai cavity feels taught from the internal pressure. Is this a negative reaction?

If you received this new feeling due to the techniques I have given everyone-then this is the BEGINNING OF YIN YANG FUSION Congratulations!

However, if this did not happen as i suggested above- and the feeling starts to diminish- it might be only Gas from too much Taco Bell

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http://thetaobums.co...-holesupernova/ (http://thetaobums.com /topic/33395-the-lower-tan-tien-is-similar-to-a-blackholesupernova/) SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 13:20, said: The Lower Tan Tien Is "Similar" To A Black Hole/SuperNova: Can't "Fill" a Black Hole It can be "fed" though. The lower Tan Tien, as a Vacuum, sucking and pulling in through the crown, and 4 limbs/pore breathe, etc. As it grows and condenses/collapses upon itself- it produces/circulates energy MCO, etc SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 13:24, said: Crown/Baihui is yang Niwan is magnetic, and grounded to Earth Energy connects ---> qihai // dantian etc In Kunlun, the energy coming down feels cool and magneticeven though it would appear to new comers, that the energy should seem to be yang and warm, as it ''Feels'' as though it is coming down from "the sky" SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 14:07, said: Yes it did.

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A collapsing star- super nova, bright. Like that sort of model. Pre- black hole. Material comes out of a black hole- changed but similar. maybe "refined" I just like my analogy of "Feeding" the tan tien, then it "digests" the energy- as "fuel"

SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 14:34, said: When the Qi hai is full, like a large sphere, it makes contact with back & front & huiyin on the bottom. It begins the upward circulation from the Wei Lu/tail bone. Like the images I just posted

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If you received this new feeling due to the techniques I have given everyone-then this is the BEGINNING OF YIN YANG FUSION Congratulations!

However, if this did not happen as i suggested above- and the feeling starts to diminish- it might be only Gas from too much Taco Bell

After a good nights sleep, I can still feel the sensation of sucking into the LDT. QiHai feels full and if I put my awareness on it, the collapsing inward/ sucking becomes evident. It does not seem to be from z tacos! This is good....

Uroboros

Posted 20 April 2014 - 02:16 PM SonOfTheGods, on 16 Apr 2014 - 18:32, said: Here's a little secret (might not be a secret) From LDT to perineum, then back up to LDT- pump the floorsqueeze hard and release with every inhale-squeeze and every exhale/release all the while bring flow up/inhale- down/exhale. 4/30/2014 11:22 AM


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You will feel Yin Magnetic and Yang heat sametime This is a good fusion build up yinyang

Last night I did this with a gentle squeeze and it lit up the whole circuit from HuiYin-MingMen-LDT. It felt like electricity, sparkling/ vibrating/ pulsing and slightly cold. Also, the sucking/ collapsing feeling at the QiHai is consistent. When I feel it, its like my whole stomach is being sucked inward, its intense. And the area around the LDT feels full and a bit hard.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 12:32 PM The Central Channel becomes "powered up" after the Tum Mo and Jen Mo channels are "productive" Just filling and compresing chi into LDT and then thinking your Taiji pole will energise is very misleading.

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The electrical polarity and field of energy in the polar axis is related to the Original or Yuan Qi from which the Conception and Governing Vessels form the seas of Yin and Yang energy during the first cellular division. The Yin and Yang Heel Vessels are also established, forming the left and right sides.


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Examine all those Links posted: This should be common knowledge to any "hard core cultivator"

Quote The Eight Extraordinary Vessels Governing Vessel (http://lieske.com/channels /5e-gc.htm) Conception Vessel (http://lieske.com/channels /5e-gc.htm) Yang Heel Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels /5e-heel.htm) Yin Heel Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels /5e-heel.htm) Yang Linking Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels /5e-linking.htm) Yin Linking Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels /5e-linking.htm) Thrusting Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels /5e-thrusting.htm) Belt Vessel (http://lieske.com/channels/5e-belt.htm)

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The Eight Extraordinary Vessels do the following: The Governing Vessel (Yang) controls development of the body's back. The Conception Vessel (Yin) controls development of the body's front. The Yang Heel Vessels control the development of the body's right and left Yang energy. The Yin Heel Vessels control the development of the body's right and left Yin energy. The Yang Linking Vessels control the development of the exterior of the body (and correlates to Heaven energy). The Yin Linking Vessels control the development of the interior of the body (and correlates to Earth energy). The Thrusting Vessels carry energy through the center of the body and controls the body's center core. The Belt Vessel binds all the channels together (it's the only vessel with a horizontal flow of Qi). Interestingly, each of the Eight Extraordinary Vessels correlates to one of the Eight Trigrams, which in turn relate to the Five Elements: Governing Vessel = Lake (Metal) Conception Vessel = Fire (Fire) Yang Heel Vessel = Water (Water) Yin Heel Vessel = Earth (Earth) Yang Linking Vessel = Thunder (Wood) Yin Linking Vessel = Mountain (Earth) Thrusting Vessel = Heaven (Metal) Belt Vessel = Wind (Wood)

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Tum Mo and Jen Mo channels are "productive" Just filling and compresing chi into LDT and then thinking your Taiji pole will energise is very misleading.


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You are NOT going to avoid the MCO It is a circuit that runs AutomaticallyWITHOUT YOUR GIVEN CONSENT

Quote Rote: mechanical or habitual repetition of something to be learned.



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Posted 25 April 2014 - 01:27 PM LDT cavity- collects/feeds Yang Yin @ Ratio of 1:1 The Pernineum does not store anything, let alone Yin The Perineum is not a Tan Tien Conception Vessel 1: Ren-1: Huiyin Meeting Place of Yin Conception Vessel 1, the first point - Ren-1 - on the

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Conception Vessel acupuncture channel, is where three of the most powerful yin acupuncture channels (this the Conception Vessel, the Governing and the Penetrating channels) emerge from the body, between two of the most yin entrance/exit places - the anus and urethra/sexual organs. It has particular and special qualities but because of its location is not much used. Other points share some of its qualities, such as Conception Vessel 2 (http://www.acupuncture-points.org/conceptionvessel-2.html) and Kidney 1, so there are rarely overwhelming reasons for using this point.


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SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 13:27, said: LDT cavity- collects/feeds Yang Yin @ Ratio of 1:1 The Pernineum does not store anything, let alone Yin The Perineum is not a Tan Tien Conception Vessel 1: Ren-1: Huiyin Meeting Place of Yin Conception Vessel 1, the first point - Ren-1 - on the Conception Vessel acupuncture channel, is where three of the most powerful yin acupuncture channels (this - the Conception Vessel, the Governing and the Penetrating channels) emerge from the body, between two of the most yin entrance/exit places - the anus

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and urethra/sexual organs. It has particular and special qualities but because of its location is not much used. Other points share some of its qualities, such as Conception Vessel 2 (http://www.acupuncture-points.org/conceptionvessel-2.html) and Kidney 1, so there are rarely overwhelming reasons for using this point.

Is the perineum the upper root, the true root, while the yongquen is the extended root? If the huiyin does not store...it channels? Then we could utilize it to suck in qi, into the LDT?


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http://naturalwaytai..._tai_chi_nw.php (http://naturalwaytaichi.co.uk/alannwtc /meaning_of_tai_chi_nw.php) Quote In the body the t'ai chi pole exists as a line that is located running through the central core, from the top of the head to the perineum. The perineum is a point located on the midline exactly between the anus and the genitals. If you are able to align the body correctly in relation to this line you can realise profound stillness and ease of movement without breaking the continuity and connectedness of the ch'i. Whilst maintaining this inner state you will be able to appreciate that inactivity can create activity. There is stillness in movement. The t'ai chi pole is formed when the centres of the three tan

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tiens are aligned vertically. The three tan tiens are named according to their location: lower, middle and upper. The words "tan tien" means literally "cinnabar field" or as it came to be known, "field of elixir." This was a term used in Taoist alchemy. The alchemists in ancient China were trying to discover a way to achieve longevity and their search led them to experiment with various substances including cinnabar. At that time cinnabar was a substance used to make vermilion ink and only the emperor was permitted to write with it. Until recently cinnabar was used in Chinese medicine to calm the Heart and Spirit. It is now recognised as mercury sulphide and is very toxic. The tan tiens in the body relate to the inner alchemy that developed at the same time. The goal for the inner alchemist was to purify human nature and transform the spirit. They gathered and stored the ch'i, circulated it, and used the tan tiens as focal points in their practices. The three treasures of jing, ch'i and shen were linked with the tan tiens. In the lower tan tien the Jing is transformed into Ch'i, in the middle tantien the Ch'i is transformed into Shen and finally in the upper tan tien the Shen is transformed into Wu Chi. The Three Treasures are also connected with the Three Outer Forces known as Heaven, Earth and Man. Jing is the most dense substance and therefore the most yin of the three and linked with the earth. Jing can be thought of as the reproductive essence. In ch'i kung meditation the Earth ch'i is gathered in the lower tan tien and is associated with heat. Ch'i is a mixture of yin and yang and is closely linked with the air, which is a mixture of Heaven and Earth ch'i, and this is gathered in the middle tan tien. The association at this level is vibration. The subtlest of the Three Treasures is the Shen and therefore it is the most yang and is linked with Heaven. Shen is gathered in the upper tan tien and is associated with light. The movement of

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these inner substances is via the t'ai chi pole. The three tan tiens are each made up of nine chambers and they encompass a large area of the body. It is the centre of each area that must be vertically aligned and this central location can be found in relation to specific points on the body. The location of the centre of the lower tan tien is at the centre of a triangle formed by three acupuncture points. The first, at the front of the body, is Shen Que or Ren 8 that is also the umbilicus. The next, at the back of the body, is Ming men or Du 4. This is located on the centre line of the spine at the level of the intervertebral space between the second and third lumber vertebrae . The third point of the triangle is Hui yin or Ren 1 (also known as the perineum) that is on the mid-line between the legs and halfway between the genitals and anus.

The centre of the middle tan tien is located in the centre of the body at the level of Shen Zong or Ren 17. This point is found by first locating the zyphoid process. This is the piece of bone that drops down from the place where the ribs meet above the stomach. From the Zyphoid bone move your finger carefully upwards a distance of 3 cms. until you feel where this bone

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joins the central chest bone or sternum. Now move your finger to the side and you will feel the space between the ribs. Move up to the next space between the ribs and move back to the central chest bone. Feel for a dip on the centre-line of the sternum. This is Shen Zong or Centre of the Chest. The centre of the upper tan tien is also found at the centre of a triangle formed by three acupuncture points. The first is Yintang, between the eyebrows, just above the bridge of the nose. The second is Baihui or Du 20. This is located on the top of the head on the midline. If you look at the head from the side and extend a line, which runs from the midpoint of the ear lobe to the apex of the ear, you are close to the location of this point. There is often a softer area of flesh on the head that is slightly flatter than the surrounding region. It is easier to ask someone else to go through this location procedure with you and place a finger on the point to help you become aware of the exact position. The third point of the triangle is Fengfu or Du 16. This is on the midline at the back of the neck directly under the occiput that is the bottom edge of the skull. In almost every t'ai chi position and t'ai chi exercise the body is kept in this alignment. The occiput is always lifted slightly which lengthens the back of the neck and rotates the head slightly. From the front this appears as if the chin is slightly tucked in but remember that this is a bi-product of adjusting your neck and you should not focus on the chin and pull it in. When the head is rotated in this way Baihiu or Du 20 becomes lifted and brought forward slightly. This can all be achieved naturally if you suspend the head gently as if pulled up from a thread, which is connected to the point. Cheng Man-Ching said that you could practise all your life and not make any real progress if you neglected this important point.

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Uroboros

I have been playing with tongue positions and something I have started to notice. I would like to hear your thoughts on it, bums. Tongue behind the teeth in little cavity, opens up the MCO, Conception- Governing Tongue in center of hard palate- channel between baihui-niwanheart Tongue behind hard palate, into the softness- opens up the chongmai


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 13:34, said: Is the perineum the upper root, the true root, while the yongquen is the extended root? If the huiyin does not store...it channels? Then we could utilize it to suck in qi, into the LDT?

Here's the logic to this IMO/IME Kundalini: "is said to be stored in the tailbone/coccyx/perineum/etc" but it actually descends downward in my experiences

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However:

*if it is stored there- then it is fiery- yang *or- if it stored there and it is Yin, then not pure Yin but mixed with Yang- so that means kundalini/red is a fusion of yin/yang or- *if it is pure Yin, it should be cool/cold- but Yin doesn't move alone, it always follows yang it can't be all of them so which? Kundalini is spoken of as HOT. see my point? To get Yin out of the ground- it must still accompany Yang in order to emanate out of the earth "to get into" your perienum


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SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 13:35, said: http://naturalwaytai..._tai_chi_nw.php (http://naturalwaytaichi.co.uk/alannwtc /meaning_of_tai_chi_nw.php) you probably wouldnt be surprised at the correlations of the lightning path meditation to that picture

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Awesome thread. Not having much of a taoist cultivation background, I will have to take some time and digest this. Great stuff. Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:04 PM

Uroboros

joeblast, on 25 Apr 2014 - 14:26, said: you probably wouldnt be surprised at the correlations of the lightning path meditation to that picture

What is the lightning path meditation? It sounds interesting.


SonOfTheGods

joeblast, on 25 Apr 2014 - 14:26, said: you probably wouldnt be surprised at the correlations of the lightning path meditation to that picture

I'm still trying to find Max's Red Dragon Palm! Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:04, said: What is the lightning path meditation? It sounds interesting. I 2nd that!

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theurgy, on 25 Apr 2014 - 17:45, said: Awesome thread. Not having much of a taoist cultivation background, I will have to take some time and digest this. Great stuff. thanks man!

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TaiJi Pole/Central Channel: Lower Tan Tien etc Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 25 2014 12:27 PM TaiJi Pole,

Central Channel,


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Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 13:37, said: I have been playing with tongue positions and something I have started to notice. I would like to hear your thoughts on it, bums. Tongue behind the teeth in little cavity, opens up the MCO, Conception- Governing Tongue in center of hard palate- channel between baihui-niwanheart Tongue behind hard palate, into the softness- opens up the chongmai Tongue Mudras different circuits connect up/down

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:39 PM Tree of Life has a Lightening and also Serpent Path

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SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:38, said: Tongue Mudras different circuits connect up/down

If I put my tongue at the base of the lower teeth, below the tip of tongue, it heavily stimulates the CV, pinging it from tongue to LDT, barely going past LDT to HuiYin, then back up. Any resources to learn more about the tongue mudras?


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:40, said: If I put my tongue at the base of the lower teeth, below the tip of tongue, it heavily stimulates the CV, pinging it from tongue to LDT, barely going past LDT to HuiYin, then back up. Any resources to learn more about the tongue mudras? I just invented "Tongue Mudras" lol but yes, there is some stuff around the different placements of the tongue http://www.qigonghea...recommendation/ (http://www.qigonghealingarts.org/qigong-exercises/qigongexercise-tongue-position-recommendation/)


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I found this in the forum and thought it was beneficial to post here!

RED SUN by Max Christensen This method as given to me by a hung-moon teacher in Taos, New Mexico. Sit in a chair, feet flat with your fist closed on top of your thighs. Sit for a moment until the mind is empty and relaxed. Imagine, in the middle dantien area, a small, golf ball sized ball of glowing matter. This matter looks like a hot coal from a fire. It glows and it has hot vapor around it. See it as very real within the center of your chest. Now inhale through your nose gently, enough so that you can hold your breath in a neutral state (about 2/3 of capacity). After the inhalation, swallow hard with a gulping sound, tuck your chin, but keep the spine and neck aligned. Slightly tighten the anus, so energy doesn't leak, now hold the breath neutrally. You will feel like your air will dissipate quickly, so if this happens inhale tiny amount of air, to get the neutral feeling. If you over-inflated, blow some air out. As you are running out of air, relax. You will begin to feel this implosive, shrinking feeling as your lungs convulse for air. The energy will begin to ping-pong up and down in your chest. It may feel like you are going to die, but you

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won't. Relax more and with your mind, see the coal getting brighter and brighter, hotter and hotter, so when you feel you can't hold it anymore, say to yourself, melt, melt, see the heat melt the body. If you can hang in this state and keep melting more and more each time the (death) feeling hits, you may feel like you are going to transition over into another energetic form. If you do it right, an orgasmic hiccup and a surge of intense bliss arises. After this, exhale slowly through the mouth and repeat twice more, but only inhale once between sets or youll lose the effect. This opens the deepest part of the emotions, so be prepared and do not do this more than twice a month......carefully. See if you can break the barrier. Max


Uroboros

Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 20:20, said: I found this in the forum and thought it was beneficial to post here!

RED SUN by Max Christensen This method as given to me by a hung-moon teacher in Taos,

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New Mexico. Sit in a chair, feet flat with your fist closed on top of your thighs. Sit for a moment until the mind is empty and relaxed. Imagine, in the middle dantien area, a small, golf ball sized ball of glowing matter. This matter looks like a hot coal from a fire. It glows and it has hot vapor around it. See it as very real within the center of your chest. Now inhale through your nose gently, enough so that you can hold your breath in a neutral state (about 2/3 of capacity). After the inhalation, swallow hard with a gulping sound, tuck your chin, but keep the spine and neck aligned. Slightly tighten the anus, so energy doesn't leak, now hold the breath neutrally. You will feel like your air will dissipate quickly, so if this happens inhale tiny amount of air, to get the neutral feeling. If you over-inflated, blow some air out. As you are running out of air, relax. You will begin to feel this implosive, shrinking feeling as your lungs convulse for air. The energy will begin to ping-pong up and down in your chest. It may feel like you are going to die, but you won't. Relax more and with your mind, see the coal getting brighter and brighter, hotter and hotter, so when you feel you can't hold it anymore, say to yourself, melt, melt, see the heat melt the body. If you can hang in this state and keep melting more and more each time the (death) feeling hits, you may feel like you are going to transition over into another energetic form.

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If you do it right, an orgasmic hiccup and a surge of intense bliss arises. After this, exhale slowly through the mouth and repeat twice more, but only inhale once between sets or youll lose the effect. This opens the deepest part of the emotions, so be prepared and do not do this more than twice a month......carefully. See if you can break the barrier. Max

This one is very hard...Woo! My diaphragm pumps like crazy after just a short while...

Uroboros

Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:18 PM If the Lower TanTien is a super nova like substance/ form... Where/ how does it express/ expell what it "eats"?

theurgy

Posted 26 April 2014 - 12:21 AM SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:39, said: Tree of Life has a Lightening and also Serpent Path

http://hermetic.com/...hing-sword.html (http://hermetic.com /stavish/rituals/flashing-sword.html)

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This was the one I was talking to Multiarms about in the other thread- heat in MDT Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 20:20, said: I found this in the forum and thought it was beneficial to post here!

RED SUN by Max Christensen This method as given to me by a hung-moon teacher in Taos, New Mexico. Sit in a chair, feet flat with your fist closed on top of your thighs. Sit for a moment until the mind is empty and relaxed. Imagine, in the middle dantien area, a small, golf ball sized ball of glowing matter. This matter looks like a hot coal from a fire. It glows and it has hot vapor around it. See it as very real within the center of your chest. Now inhale through your nose gently, enough so that you can hold your breath in a neutral state (about 2/3 of capacity). After the inhalation, swallow hard with a gulping sound, tuck your chin, but keep the spine and neck aligned. Slightly tighten the anus, so energy doesn't leak, now hold the breath neutrally. You will feel like your air will dissipate quickly, so if this happens inhale tiny amount of air, to get the neutral feeling. If you over-inflated, blow some air out.

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As you are running out of air, relax. You will begin to feel this implosive, shrinking feeling as your lungs convulse for air. The energy will begin to ping-pong up and down in your chest. It may feel like you are going to die, but you won't. Relax more and with your mind, see the coal getting brighter and brighter, hotter and hotter, so when you feel you can't hold it anymore, say to yourself, melt, melt, see the heat melt the body. If you can hang in this state and keep melting more and more each time the (death) feeling hits, you may feel like you are going to transition over into another energetic form. If you do it right, an orgasmic hiccup and a surge of intense bliss arises. After this, exhale slowly through the mouth and repeat twice more, but only inhale once between sets or youll lose the effect. This opens the deepest part of the emotions, so be prepared and do not do this more than twice a month......carefully. See if you can break the barrier. Max

SonOfTheGods

Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:49 AM Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 21:18, said: If the Lower TanTien is a super nova like substance/ form...

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Where/ how does it express/ expell what it "eats"?

MCO etc


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theurgy, on 26 Apr 2014 - 00:21, said: http://hermetic.com/...hing-sword.html (http://hermetic.com /stavish/rituals/flashing-sword.html)

Quote The Technique of "The Flashing Sword" is among one of the most common methods known to qabalists, and yet, one of the least commented upon. Like many esoteric practices it lends itself to a great deal of sophistication, and can be introduced to beginning students as a practical mnemonic devise for learning the basics of the Tree of Life, up to a method for releasing the "Secret Fire" or Kundalini in each of us.


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SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 10:49, said: MCO etc

So that is part of why we do the MCO....To increase the amount/ purity/ frequency that the LDT can emit.. and we pack the LDT to upgrade it, so it can emit...

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Tree of Life has a Lightening and also Serpent Path.

Arm 'ere ta improve youze guyz' SPELLING!!! It's LIGHTNING. NOT. Lightening! Bozoz!!!

xxx. ...


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Captain Mar-Vell, on 26 Apr 2014 - 14:49, said: ... Arm 'ere ta improve youze guyz' SPELLING!!! It's LIGHTNING.

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NOT. Lightening! Bozoz!!!

xxx. ... iz dat spechal kinda speelin


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ET,

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I was doing some research on TheTaoBums archives via Google. I was listening to Max Christenson newest radio interview, so I wanted to check up on fellow TTB'ers to see how their Kunlun training was going. I used to do Kunlun, and the 3 levels of Red Phoenix. Actually I have done all of Max's exercises in his book(s) I ran my course in Kunlun. I grew tired of it, eventually- as I just wasn't getting anywhere with it, anymore.

That could just be unique to me.

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who ACTUALLY HAD AN ENERGY TRANSMISSION FROM MAX.

Just reading the book, and practicing - although, supposedly Max put an "energy transmission in the book"- seemed, non-problematic.

However, the individuals who had problems were students, of Max -in real time, physical sessions complete with Max giving them Energy Transmissions.

According to the experiences archived on TTB, these people experienced Reptilian outbreaks.

Hauntings, and nightmares induced in the children of Max's students. Extraterrestrial and/or Interdimensional visitations.

Some people will scoff, laugh, troll. Although a forum full of open minded people, who believe in spirits, and jesus and demons- but continually mock at and refuse to believe in Et origins. Talk about contradictions and oxymorons.

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Some teachers in Daoism will include planets, constellations, stars, suns, celestial bodies in absorbing and transmuting energy. So various spirits- which is an essential part in NeiGong, etc are incorporated in training.

Daoist magick, sorcery- is rich with understanding and communicating with EVERY CONSCIOUS ENTITY IN ALL THE MULTI-UNIVERSES.

If you do not believe this, I would recommend either more study, or FIND OUT THE HARD WAY.

The HARD WAY?

Why?

Teachers, who are aligned with Lineages, have active interaction with deceased ancestors, masters, ghosts, Immortals (5 varieties!) Who are all these invisible entities?

Are all of them, Benevolent?

Think: Everyone you met, in your lifetime, been - ALL

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GOOD BENIGN INDIVIDUALS? Read up on some Daoist history- there were huge clan wars. Not all ancient ancestors were wonderful spirit filled love&light people. Some of them were downright demonic in thir nature while alive. Also understand, a living being is an energy buffet- an organic Qi bankPlug in and stream that energy, download and upload -deposits for food. We are nothing more than circuits in a Motherboard universe. HUNGRY GHOSTS = Sustenance, accessing pure energy, to stay active visiting various realms. EVERYTHING IS AN ENERGY EXCHANGE.

Once you pay a Teacher, and ask to be in the Lineage of the groupyou willingly become part of the egregore.

This is not a bad thing- not everyone has bad experiences, obviously.

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That's NOT saying, it doesn't happen, though:

If you are now part of an 8 generation dynasty of Qi masters, maybe hundreds of deceased entities, the chances that some of them are Malevolent is a very good though. Vampires legends show that the victims willingly allowed the vampire to "enter their domain, voluntarily"

If you have had an Energy Transmission, and you find yourself being visited while asleep, I would question what is going on, and get some active psychic self defense going on.

I have Warned REPEATEDLY on TheTaoBums about allowing "just anyone" to give you an Energy Transmission.

Ok, I will state this for the Record, One More Timebecause you just know- someone- will complain: This DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN!

But Happen, (sometimes) -It Does:

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Signs, Symptoms, Scenario: So, you are on TheTaoBums. You read stories of people who can do incredible things (supposedly) Damn, I wish I could do that- you think to yourself. Someone tells you, keep practicing and in 25 years- you too, Maybe, can do great things. Wait, 25 years? I WANT IT NOW! Can I speed this process up? I have other things to do, responsibilities, etc I can't wait! NOW! So, now you hear this Teacher/random dude, can give you healing, power, all through attending sessions, group meeting etc. "They" have books, websites, DVDs, etc. Diplomas, Certificates, claim ancestors, lineages, many students. Photos of people floating around on their websites, with short comments by students saying now they can shoot light out of their ears. Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness! You know the bit. Of course, it costs MONEY. But so what? You can't put a price tag on Immortality! Of course, it costs A LOT of MONEY. Maybe -sign short agreement that you won't tell anybody about our secret traditions etc. Only comment on Approved Forums.

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That sort of thing. wink wink Even if you live far away, the energy is all encompassing, and we can reach you. So, anxiously, you Enroll! Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness, right??? Suddenly, you now have fellow students welcoming you, like one big family. wink wink Ok, The famous Qi Transmission hits you- and you're thinkingwell, I think I felt something- not sure though. hmmmm. So, now your instant family reassures you, it's all good. You still can't shoot fire and stuff, but what the hell- neither can the other students- but, eventually you will. Because, now- you start to feel your body parts starting to move on their own accord. Kriyas are so cool. Everyday, like a faithful student, you do your given exercises. Every night before sleep, you kiss your teacher's photo. Guru love- fabulous! Something starts to happen though. You aren't sure- but feel kind of strange. WAIT! Must be working now! So, You do your exercise and go to sleep. Then, like "Nightmare on Elm Street"- you now -no longer want to sleep! oops.. You dread going to sleep. You FEAR sleeping. lol what?

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How come? Well, when you sleep: You feel hands touching you. Common occurances include having Eyes, Mouth, Head being 'accessed" probed, manipulated.. Where your Qi flows, MingMen, Perineum, all being Tampered with. Sometimes you glimpse these entities and they appear like spirits. Somtimes, not so human. oops. Cataleptic states, your physical body, locked up, and inability to move or struggle. I hate when that happens. Teacher Teacher, something is wrong! Well, those are our secret masters, helping you and healing you. Other students know about "this". But No One Discusses It. Each one, paralysed by fear, and hoping it wil gradually pass away, and then -the power will come! Just- Attend more sessions, etc Remember- you're still paying money for this! oops. Memories arise. Still, you really aren't getting the promised power heaing etc. Neither are the fellow students. -What to do?

Irony:

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You know, people will say ancient Daoists, China, India: dissected the body, maybe took some hallucinogens, received visions, OBE: etc,- and that is how they discovered Qi, celestial longitude, latitudes, etc

If you do some reseach, there are also in the annals of history, tales of the Yellow Emperor, space travel, flying dragons from the stars, and Aryan mummies in Asian graves. Extraterrestrial Visitors, exchanging knowledge.

Irony: People will laugh & mock, but then these same individuals- will study Wang Liping's writings- who personally knew all about this "stuff" These same Trolls will also study Goetia, and try to make contact with spirits. But tell them about Exraterrestrial visitors who teach, and they laugh. The Book of Enoch talks about Genesis Chapter 6 - the Watchers, The Nephilim, giants, Annunaki, space travel, time travel and "angels breeding with humans". These Watchers, came down from the heavens, and taught magick, cosmetics, farming, health, and WAR.

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theurgy

I admit it: I'm one of those people. Intellectually I don't have a problem accepting the possibility of Extraterrestrials visiting Earth. I think it's something that I need to open up to gradually as a felt experience within my body. Having been to Sedona, AZ and interacted with people who are true believers, I found myself struggling with the way all the E.T. talk makes me feel. It seems like one can get ungrounded really fast. About kunlun--I have experienced the exact same thing you describe and I have even met Max. I don't think I got an energy transmission though. Not from the book, in person or via Skype sessions. Which is fine by me. It does seem to stop doing anything. Although, at the end of November as ISON was passing through, I practiced too much and ended up in the hospital overnight with hallucinations and the worst stomach pain I've ever had. I woke up half in and half out of my body and I couldn't get grounded. It was like a bad acid trip. I stopped practicing for awhile after that. I never get accosted at night by spirits. Although my good friend who has practiced lots of kung-fu does almost once a week. Everywhere he goes seems to be haunted and I think he may enjoy it, lol

SonOfTheGods

Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:59 AM My Easter Gift, to all of you

SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 11:44, said: I was doing some research on TheTaoBums archives via Google.

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I was listening to Max Christenson newest radio interview, so I wanted to check up on fellow TTB'ers to see how their Kunlun training was going. I used to do Kunlun, and the 3 levels of Red Phoenix. Actually I have done all of Max's exercises in his book(s) I ran my course in Kunlun. I grew tired of it, eventually- as I just wasn't getting anywhere with it, anymore.


Anyway, as I am searching TTB archive about Kunlun, I noticed some people were having problems with Kunlun. The ones who were having problems were the individuals who ACTUALLY HAD AN ENERGY TRANSMISSION FROM MAX.

Just reading the book, and practicing - although, supposedly Max put an "energy transmission in the book"- seemed, non-problematic.

However, the individuals who had problems were

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students, of Max -in real time, physical sessions complete with Max giving them Energy Transmissions.

According to the experiences archived on TTB, these people experienced Reptilian outbreaks.

Hauntings, and nightmares induced in the children of Max's students. Extraterrestrial and/or Interdimensional visitations.

Some people will scoff, laugh, troll. Although a forum full of open minded people, who believe in spirits, and jesus and demons- but continually mock at and refuse to believe in Et origins. Talk about contradictions and oxymorons.

Some teachers in Daoism will include planets, constellations, stars, suns, celestial bodies in absorbing and transmuting energy. So various spirits- which is an essential part in NeiGong, etc are incorporated in training.

Daoist magick, sorcery- is rich with understanding and communicating with EVERY CONSCIOUS ENTITY IN

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ALL THE MULTI-UNIVERSES.

If you do not believe this, I would recommend either more study, or FIND OUT THE HARD WAY.

The HARD WAY?

Why?

Teachers, who are aligned with Lineages, have active interaction with deceased ancestors, masters, ghosts, Immortals (5 varieties!) Who are all these invisible entities?

Are all of them, Benevolent?

Think: Everyone you met, in your lifetime, been - ALL GOOD BENIGN INDIVIDUALS? Read up on some Daoist history- there were huge clan wars. Not all ancient ancestors were wonderful spirit filled love&light people. Some of them were downright demonic in thir nature while alive.

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Also understand, a living being is an energy buffet- an organic Qi bankPlug in and stream that energy, download and upload -deposits for food. We are nothing more than circuits in a Motherboard universe. HUNGRY GHOSTS = Sustenance, accessing pure energy, to stay active visiting various realms. EVERYTHING IS AN ENERGY EXCHANGE.

Once you pay a Teacher, and ask to be in the Lineage of the groupyou willingly become part of the egregore.

This is not a bad thing- not everyone has bad experiences, obviously.

That's NOT saying, it doesn't happen, though:

If you are now part of an 8 generation dynasty of Qi masters, maybe hundreds of deceased entities, the chances that some of them are Malevolent is a very good though. Vampires legends show that the victims willingly allowed the vampire to "enter their domain, voluntarily"

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If you have had an Energy Transmission, and you find yourself being visited while asleep, I would question what is going on, and get some active psychic self defense going on.

I have Warned REPEATEDLY on TheTaoBums about allowing "just anyone" to give you an Energy Transmission.

Ok, I will state this for the Record, One More Timebecause you just know- someone- will complain: This DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN!

But Happen, (sometimes) -It Does:

Signs, Symptoms, Scenario: So, you are on TheTaoBums. You read stories of people who can do incredible things (supposedly) Damn, I wish I could do that- you think to yourself. Someone tells you, keep practicing and in 25 years- you too, Maybe, can do great things.

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Wait, 25 years? I WANT IT NOW! Can I speed this process up? I have other things to do, responsibilities, etc I can't wait! NOW! So, now you hear this Teacher/random dude, can give you healing, power, all through attending sessions, group meeting etc. "They" have books, websites, DVDs, etc. Diplomas, Certificates, claim ancestors, lineages, many students. Photos of people floating around on their websites, with short comments by students saying now they can shoot light out of their ears. Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness! You know the bit. Of course, it costs MONEY. But so what? You can't put a price tag on Immortality! Of course, it costs A LOT of MONEY. Maybe -sign short agreement that you won't tell anybody about our secret traditions etc. Only comment on Approved Forums. That sort of thing. wink wink Even if you live far away, the energy is all encompassing, and we can reach you. So, anxiously, you Enroll! Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness, right??? Suddenly, you now have fellow students welcoming you, like one big family. wink wink

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Ok, The famous Qi Transmission hits you- and you're thinkingwell, I think I felt something- not sure though. hmmmm. So, now your instant family reassures you, it's all good. You still can't shoot fire and stuff, but what the hell- neither can the other students- but, eventually you will. Because, now- you start to feel your body parts starting to move on their own accord. Kriyas are so cool. Everyday, like a faithful student, you do your given exercises. Every night before sleep, you kiss your teacher's photo. Guru love- fabulous! Something starts to happen though. You aren't sure- but feel kind of strange. WAIT! Must be working now! So, You do your exercise and go to sleep. Then, like "Nightmare on Elm Street"- you now -no longer want to sleep! oops.. You dread going to sleep. You FEAR sleeping. lol what? How come? Well, when you sleep: You feel hands touching you. Common occurances include having Eyes, Mouth, Head being 'accessed" probed, manipulated.. Where your Qi flows, MingMen, Perineum, all being Tampered with. Sometimes you glimpse these entities and they appear like

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spirits. Somtimes, not so human. oops. Cataleptic states, your physical body, locked up, and inability to move or struggle. I hate when that happens. Teacher Teacher, something is wrong! Well, those are our secret masters, helping you and healing you. Other students know about "this". But No One Discusses It. Each one, paralysed by fear, and hoping it wil gradually pass away, and then -the power will come! Just- Attend more sessions, etc Remember- you're still paying money for this! oops. Memories arise. Still, you really aren't getting the promised power heaing etc. Neither are the fellow students. -What to do?

Irony: You know, people will say ancient Daoists, China, India: dissected the body, maybe took some hallucinogens, received visions, OBE: etc,- and that is how they discovered Qi, celestial longitude, latitudes, etc

If you do some reseach, there are also in the annals of history, tales of the Yellow Emperor, space travel,

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flying dragons from the stars, and Aryan mummies in Asian graves. Extraterrestrial Visitors, exchanging knowledge.

Irony: People will laugh & mock, but then these same individuals- will study Wang Liping's writings- who personally knew all about this "stuff" These same Trolls will also study Goetia, and try to make contact with spirits. But tell them about Exraterrestrial visitors who teach, and they laugh. The Book of Enoch talks about Genesis Chapter 6 - the Watchers, The Nephilim, giants, Annunaki, space travel, time travel and "angels breeding with humans". These Watchers, came down from the heavens, and taught magick, cosmetics, farming, health, and WAR.


SonOfTheGods

The good thing here, is you have a background in Magick. This stable occult foundation comes in handy, in cases such as this. The new Necronomicon, by Joshua Free, is a different and

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Correct take, on the Annunaki. We have a Reptilian section in our Brain. Our racial DNA Primordial memories can sometimes cause that "uneasiness" to stir. I was very hesitant to post this thread.

theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 11:59, said: I admit it: I'm one of those people. Intellectually I don't have a problem accepting the possibility of Extraterrestrials visiting Earth. I think it's something that I need to open up to gradually as a felt experience within my body. Having been to Sedona, AZ and interacted with people who are true believers, I found myself struggling with the way all the E.T. talk makes me feel. It seems like one can get ungrounded really fast. About kunlun--I have experienced the exact same thing you describe and I have even met Max. I don't think I got an energy transmission though. Not from the book, in person or via Skype sessions. Which is fine by me. It does seem to stop doing anything. Although, at the end of November as ISON was passing through, I practiced too much and ended up in the hospital overnight with hallucinations and the worst stomach pain I've ever had. I woke up half in and half out of my body and I couldn't get grounded. It was like a bad acid trip. I stopped practicing for awhile after that. I never get accosted at night by spirits. Although my good friend

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who has practiced lots of kung-fu does almost once a week. Everywhere he goes seems to be haunted and I think he may enjoy it, lol


theurgy

Yes, it seems like the Work I have done thus far and daily, keeps me protected. I have always thought that human beings look like the same species but we have many different kinds of brains. This is not based on race or anything like that. The notion here is our DNA is mixed up such that we are all different mixtures of pre-humans and extraterrestrials, if you will. Ever meet someone who HATES sci-fi? It's like their brains don't understand or want to deal with outer space. A silly example, perhaps but I trust you get my point.

Edited by theurgy, 20 April 2014 - 12:11 PM. SonOfTheGods

Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:11 PM If anyone thinks I am loopy, go listen to Max's Interview

_______________________ Headlined Guest, Max Christensen (http://www.bbsradio.com /content/headlined-guest-max-christensen)

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Guest Name: Max Christensen

(http://www.primordialalchemist.com)

http://www.bbsradio....h.WtClNcfG.dpuf (http://www.bbsradio.com/content/talk-show-episodenew-realities-april-8-2014#sthash.WtClNcfG.dpuf)


theurgy

Dude it gets way crazier than that in person. He tried teaching me some alien language phrases.

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I said "When am I ever going to use this?" He replied: "Well you need to be able to speak to your ancestors don't you?"


SonOfTheGods

Every species, human and non-human, ALL Organic life- all of it, has been Contributed to our Planet Earth. We are like an experiment. Like a biological farm. A zoo. A terrarium. A science project. This is no accident. We are watched. Attended to. Some people will get it. Most, won't. We didn't Evolve. We were Donated

theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:07, said: Yes, it seems like the Work I have done thus far and daily, keeps me protected. I have always thought that human beings look like the same

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species but we have many different kinds of brains. This is not based on race or anything like that. The notion here is our DNA is mixed up such that we are all different mixtures of pre-humans and extraterrestrials, if you will. Ever meet someone who HATES sci-fi? It's like their brains don't understand or want to deal with outer space. A silly example, perhaps but I trust you get my point.


SonOfTheGods Enochian. Sumerian. Glossolalia Xenoglossia.

theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:14, said: Dude it gets way crazier than that in person. He tried teaching me some alien language phrases. I said "When am I ever going to use this?" He replied: "Well you need to be able to speak to your ancestors don't you?"

theurgy

Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:24 PM For anyone reading this thread that hasn't seen it, check out the 1973 animated masterpiece

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Fantastic Planet (google it) It compliments this thread rather nicely!


SonOfTheGods

Max Christensen (http://www.bbsradio.com/content /headlined-guest-max-christensen) - in This Interview, talks about accessing a STARGATE with William Henry. William Henry: http://www.williamhe...evelations.html (http://www.williamhenry.net/revelations.html) You people definitely are missing out on a big chunk of NeiGong and YOUR LIFE

SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:11, said: If anyone thinks I am loopy, go listen to Max's Interview _______________________ Headlined Guest, Max Christensen (http://www.bbsradio.com /content/headlined-guest-max-christensen)

Guest Name: Max Christensen

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(http://www.primordialalchemist.com)

http://www.bbsradio....h.WtClNcfG.dpuf (http://www.bbsradio.com/content/talk-show-episodenew-realities-april-8-2014#sthash.WtClNcfG.dpuf)


SonOfTheGods

theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:24, said: For anyone reading this thread that hasn't seen it, check out the 1973 animated masterpiece Fantastic Planet (google it)

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It compliments this thread rather nicely!

Watch Fantastic Planet Online

IMDB Rating: 7.6/10 from 7,707 votes Release: 1973 (http://putlocker.bz/year/1973/1) / Fantastic Planet (http://putlocker.bz/watch-fantastic-planet-onlinefree-putlocker.html) Genre: Animation (http://putlocker.bz /genre/animation/1) | Drama (http://putlocker.bz/genre /drama/1) | Sci-Fi (http://putlocker.bz/genre/sci-fi/1) Synopsis: Slaves and masters dominate the narrative of the faraway world of Ygam. Set around the lifespan of Ter, a minute human shaped Om slave, and pet, of the giant blue alien Draags. Escaping into the wilderness and with a devise used for intellectual advancement of the Draags, Ter finds refuge and support from fellow Om's and using the learning tool, he finds that knowledge is power and then sets to use the new found knowledge to revolt against the Draag masters...

Edited by SonOfTheGods, 20 April 2014 - 12:27 PM. theurgy

Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:27 PM So what role Enochian play in all of this?

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It has a decidedly alien flavor to it. The french alchemist Jean Dubuis apparently wrote a course on Enochian but then destroyed it saying it was too dangerous to put out there.


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Dee was searching for the lost book(s) of Enoch. Of course we have them now. But when Dee was looking for them, (he thought there was only one book) and started talking to these entities, he named them Enochian. Enoch talks all about the Watchers, Annunaki, Nephilim. Dee knew all about this.

theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:27, said: So what role Enochian play in all of this? It has a decidedly alien flavor to it. The french alchemist Jean Dubuis apparently wrote a course on Enochian but then destroyed it saying it was too dangerous to put out there.

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(http://thetaobums.com/index.php?app=core& module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post& attach_id=3265)


theurgy

One thing is for sure, this is a topic that most Teachers don't openly talk about. I believe that unless the student is actively working to purify their karma, it is best left alone for a time.

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theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:02, said: One thing is for sure, this is a topic that most Teachers don't openly talk about. I believe that unless the student is actively working to purify their karma, it is best left alone for a time. If the student asks why he is being visited with nocturnal terrors though the teacher should be honest and tell him what's up Can be scarey lol


Aetherous Awesome post, SonOfTheGods.

I made this thread (http://thetaobums.com/topic/22741-notesfrom-the-dark-side-of-the-force/) back in the day, which was inspired by my life after having started Kunlun. In hindsight...there are paths and teachers out there which some call "negativism". Basically meaning that these things aren't fully positive and beneficial for the practitioner. On the other hand, perhaps opening up to all things is good in some ways. At the very

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least, you gain experience, which for some is worth it. "Odin gave his eye for knowledge, but I would give far more." Ragnar Lothbrok from the first episode of the show, Vikings (a cool quote!) And you could also gain self-healing, increased intuition, etc. There are two sides to this coin...it can be positive and/or negative. Such it is with opening up to all things. At least personally, I never had horrible experiences. Nightmares aren't so bad to deal with. The one reptile experience I had was actually kind of funny, in how ineffectual the thing was. In actual life, the hardships I had (which were many) were mostly brought on by myself. I have progressed in character from these things. I've since moved onto paths that aren't negative in nature at all. But I still have a soft spot in my heart for the mysterious path of Kunlun, and the controversial figure of Max. Anyway, once again, great post, Son.

Uroboros

Posted 20 April 2014 - 01:17 PM I used to have haunting type situations occur everyday since I was a child. Saw people, animals, not so human things, etc. Then it got scary. Eyes constantly watching, shadows following and watching, people there but not there. It has lessened a huge amount since I started training QiGong. No nightmares or nothing. I am more...balanced, easier to handle

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whatever does happen without getting swept up in it. I think ET's exist and they probably did come here before....We live in a strange world, in a strange part of the universe... If we are a mix of different species, does this have to do with unlocking our potential?


SonOfTheGods

In the Max Interview I posted, Max said his teachers told him that only 1% of the whole world's populace ever evolves.

I didn't think it was THAT high, to be honest

Let's do the Math: As of March 26, 2014, Earth's population was estimated to number 7.157 billion But: Only 71,570,000 people evolve Rounded off: That's 72 million people in the whole world evolve. California USA has a population of 33 million people Just to get an idea of how small of an amount 72 million people is.

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1 out of every 100 Go to the Mall, maybe 2 out of everyone you see- Evolves.


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Aetherous, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:17, said: Awesome post, SonOfTheGods. I made this thread (http://thetaobums.com/topic/22741-notesfrom-the-dark-side-of-the-force/) back in the day, which was inspired by my life after having started Kunlun. In hindsight...there are paths and teachers out there which some call "negativism". Basically meaning that these things aren't fully positive and beneficial for the practitioner. On the other hand, perhaps opening up to all things is good in some ways. At the very least, you gain experience, which for some is worth it. "Odin gave his eye for knowledge, but I would give far more." - Ragnar Lothbrok from the first episode of the show, Vikings (a cool quote!) And you could also gain self-healing, increased intuition, etc. There are two sides to this coin...it can be positive and/or negative. Such it is with opening up to all things. At least personally, I never had horrible experiences.

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Nightmares aren't so bad to deal with. The one reptile experience I had was actually kind of funny, in how ineffectual the thing was. In actual life, the hardships I had (which were many) were mostly brought on by myself. I have progressed in character from these things. I've since moved onto paths that aren't negative in nature at all. But I still have a soft spot in my heart for the mysterious path of Kunlun, and the controversial figure of Max. Anyway, once again, great post, Son. Thank you brother! I am glad all is well for you.

SonOfTheGods

Posted 20 April 2014 - 01:26 PM Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:17, said: I used to have haunting type situations occur everyday since I was a child. Saw people, animals, not so human things, etc. Then it got scary. Eyes constantly watching, shadows following and watching, people there but not there. It has lessened a huge amount since I started training QiGong. No nightmares or nothing. I am more...balanced, easier to handle whatever does happen without getting swept up in it. I think ET's exist and they probably did come here before....We live in a strange world, in a strange part of the universe... If we are a mix of different species, does this have to do with

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unlocking our potential? Did a teacher ever give you -personally, an Energy Transmission?


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SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:26, said: Did a teacher ever give you -personally, an Energy Transmission?

Nope. Not as far as I know, have I ever had an energy transmission.



I have never had an energy transmission from a teacher. I have no leash, I have no master. Ever do I run the faster. I did feel the beatific presence of Olias gave me a blessing, but that was not at all the same thing. I attuned only with higher self spirit. ...

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Nope. Not as far as I know, have I ever had an energy transmission.

Awesome. That could be the reason, that- when you started NeiGong- the visitations Halted. A bad energy transmission may have exasperated it.


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I know a lot of people are going to be severely disappointed when they hear the latest Max Christenson Interview on New Realities Radio. Many of his students and supporters are going to be severely disenchanted with his interview. How do I know? Many of his students and his supporters, on TaoBums, do not believe in Stargates, Aliens etc I personally know, because I have argued with some of them about this stuff in PMs and in Emails. Max Christenson visited the StarGate with William Henry, he says on this latest Interview.

William Henry also hangs around with David Icke and David

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Wilcock Yes, this is the New Age crowd. David Icke and David Wilcock, both, believe the Reptilian doctrines. http://divinecosmos.com/ (http://divinecosmos.com/) http://www.davidicke.com/ (http://www.davidicke.com/)

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 02:01 PM http://thetaobums.co...up-poll/page-33 (http://thetaobums.com /topic/9592-kunlun-follow-up-poll/page-33)

Trunk, on 25 Jul 2009 - 10:20, said: People ask if anyone got hurt, or assert that no one got hurt. Again, I'm rather astonished. If you read the links (http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=& showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=131165) , you'd know that... There was a situation where negative reptilian entities were harassing Yoda and those in his home, including children - and stubbornly wouldn't go away... Yoda had to find extraordinary outside help to get the entities to leave - and it took a while.

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And, he said that he had talked to "more than a dozen" kunluners who had problems with negative entities - at least one other had the problem of entities bothering others in the household. Isn't that enough?!?! to define "harm"?!?! Jeez!, who are you people?!? So, we know that there is a trend in the KL school that this sort of thing happens. Let's look towards the future. What about parents that took, will take, KL seminars after this trend became known? If I were a father and I took a seminar and later my kids started having "reptile trouble" and I found out that it was a known trend in the KL school and no one warned me before-hand?!?! What if a parent (seminar participant) had a child at home with emotional/developmental troubles? What if a parent had an infant, too young to talk, in the house? ... or if a wife in pregnancy? What sort of minds disregard thinking through these simple predictable situations?... and deflect, diminish their significance?

Trunk, on 22 Jul 2009 - 13:49, said: Thread Summary At 25 pgs, this thread is way too long for noobs easy reference. But it's also a really important part of the KL puzzle and so (below) I'm listing a linked summary of important posts in this thread... a quick Cliff-notes through the prism of how I see this thread. Worth bookmarking, imo, so that noobs can get this part of the puzzle - that is not at all obvious in the beginning. Summary Posts: #90 (http://www.thetaobums.com /index.php?showtopic=9592&st=80&p=115114&#entry115114) , #107 (http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=& showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=115181) , #118

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SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:50, said: Awesome. That could be the reason, that- when you started NeiGong- the visitations Halted. A bad energy transmission may have exasperated it.

Im super glad they did...I could barely sleep for 10 years. Constantly terrified. No mas.

SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:52, said: I know a lot of people are going to be severely disappointed when they hear the latest Max Christenson Interview on New Realities Radio. Many of his students and supporters are going to be severely disenchanted with his interview. How do I know? Many of his students and his supporters, on TaoBums, do not believe in Stargates, Aliens etc I personally know, because I have argued with some of them about this stuff in PMs and in Emails. Max Christenson visited the StarGate with William Henry, he says on this latest Interview. 4/30/2014 11:13 AM


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William Henry also hangs around with David Icke and David Wilcock Yes, this is the New Age crowd. David Icke and David Wilcock, both, believe the Reptilian doctrines. http://divinecosmos.com/ (http://divinecosmos.com/) http://www.davidicke.com/ (http://www.davidicke.com/)

David Wilcock used to be a solid resource....then the whole ben fulford thing started and now...I question his integrity/ validity. David Icke as well. I think they may very well be correct in many of their ideas. I think they were gotten to/ changed and so I do not give their information much credence any longer.

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 02:06 PM Are you saying that the Kunlun school of Max Christensen is based

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in ET/ subtle dimensional beings and channels/ gains powers from them? Thereby opening you up to them like a full course buffet? If so...thats terrifying! Especially because it seems they are not the kind I would want anywhere near me... Now, I do not have a problem with spirit work/ different beings. Im extremely picky as to the kind of spirit I would work with because of my past.


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Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 14:06, said: Are you saying that the Kunlun school of Max Christensen is based in ET/ subtle dimensional beings and channels/ gains powers from them? Thereby opening you up to them like a full course buffet? If so...thats terrifying! Especially because it seems they are not the kind I would want anywhere near me... Now, I do not have a problem with spirit work/ different beings. Im extremely picky as to the kind of spirit I would work with because of my past.

All those links I posted are from TaoBums. People from this forum, including the TaoBums owner Trunk, share info on that.

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There's other teachers too- who are passing off students to abduction like scenarios Intentionally or not


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SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 14:15, said: All those links I posted are from TaoBums. People from this forum, including the TaoBums owner Trunk, share info on that.

There's other teachers too- who are passing off students to abduction like scenarios Intentionally or not

Damn. Im all for spirits/ immortals/ et's sharing knowledge/ teachings...not when it is malevolent. thats a huge problem. Whether or not its intentional- hey kid im gonna open you up for spirit buffet- or not, its is the teachers responsibility. Sure, if the system opens you up to that world and its not actually making you a buffet, thats different. Great power and wisdom in that. IF you know how to integrate and filter what can connect/ 4/30/2014 11:13 AM


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attach. If not, then its buffet grande.


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Damn. Im all for spirits/ immortals/ et's sharing knowledge/ teachings...not when it is malevolent. thats a huge problem. Whether or not its intentional- hey kid im gonna open you up for spirit buffet- or not, its is the teachers responsibility. Sure, if the system opens you up to that world and its not actually making you a buffet, thats different. Great power and wisdom in that. IF you know how to integrate and filter what can connect/ attach. If not, then its buffet grande.

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What can we say is an alternative approach/practice to opening up experiences and knowledge of these beings and dimensions gradually and safely?


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theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 16:29, said: What can we say is an alternative approach/practice to opening up experiences and knowledge of these beings and dimensions gradually and safely?

That is a great question! How to do it...with a modest level of safety or certainty that we wont get lost?


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SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 11:44, said: I ran my course in Kunlun.

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I grew tired of it, eventually- as I just wasn't getting anywhere with it, anymore.


...I was also thinking that this may be BECAUSE of your initiations in the Western Mystery Tradition. My friend and brother magician also got nowhere with kunlun. Perhaps being a practicing magician is a control valve that prevents/blocks all the wacky vampirism that people mistake for "progress." Another important question: is one's Holy Guardian Angel an E.T.- like entity that acts as a "variable control" gradually opening one up to multi-dimensional experiences and energies?

thelerner

Posted 20 April 2014 - 04:59 PM SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 12:26, said: Watch Fantastic Planet Online

Release: 1973 (http://putlocker.bz/year/1973/1) / Fantastic Planet (http://putlocker.bz/watch-fantastic-planet-onlinefree-putlocker.html) Genre: Animation (http://putlocker.bz /genre/animation/1) | Drama (http://putlocker.bz/genre

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/drama/1) | Sci-Fi (http://putlocker.bz/genre/sci-fi/1) Synopsis: Slaves and masters dominate the narrative of the faraway world of Ygam. Set around the lifespan of Ter, a minute human shaped Om slave, and pet, of the giant blue alien Draags. Escaping into the wilderness and with a devise used for intellectual advancement of the Draags, Ter finds refuge and support from fellow Om's and using the learning tool, he finds that knowledge is power and then sets to use the new found knowledge to revolt against the Draag masters... Saw it many years ago. Very dark.


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For sure not all spirits are benign or benevolent. Like attracts like maybe, sometimes. If we set an intention for the best then, by and large that's what we tend to get. A guide ( your 'holy guardian angel' maybe) is useful and I'd not be without mine albeit sometimes she can be a bit of an old nag. I've no experience of transmission as such , our path reckons that everyone starts out psychic and in tune with spirits. We've all seen babies 'talking to' folks that no one else in the room can see. But then most people get that 'gift' laughed and reasoned out of them as they grow up and it gets sidelined into dreaming or goes completely. On another forum I visit there are lots of posters who talk about annunakis ( Sp?) and extra terrestrials and all sorts but the experiences they describe and the entities they give names to, seem to me; to be none different to the sorts of everyday experiences that spiritualists tend to take for granted. There's a commonality to narrative.

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Maybe we are all describing the same things but filtering our experiences of those things through the mindset and/ or labels of our own particular path. A while ago we had a Bon Shaman a Tibetan guy from India visit our centre and he was as at home with us as we were with him. He enjoyed the tea and cakes too. If anyone is troubled by entities and suspect that unwelcome entities might have somehow attached themselves to the sufferers 'psyche' ( for want of a better word)... Being 'bugged' by 'boogies' as it were then there are two definitely useful routes to explore. 1: Talk it through with a trusted friend or teacher. 2: Meditate with intention for only the highest and the best and let anything less than that 'go'. As one does with nuisance thoughts in meditation. Observe them and gently return to one's breathing. If the welcome mat isn't out then unwanted 'guests' won't stick around for long. Whatever we 'feeds' - breeds, for good or ill. It's always our call, nobody else's. Hope that helps. :-) Edited by GrandmasterP, 20 April 2014 - 05:20 PM. Posted 20 April 2014 - 05:38 PM

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SonOfTheGods, on 20 Apr 2014 - 11:44, said: I was doing some research on TheTaoBums archives via Google. I was listening to Max Christenson newest radio interview, so I wanted to check up on fellow TTB'ers to see how their Kunlun training was going.

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I used to do Kunlun, and the 3 levels of Red Phoenix. Actually I have done all of Max's exercises in his book(s) I ran my course in Kunlun. I grew tired of it, eventually- as I just wasn't getting anywhere with it, anymore.


LOL

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KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:38, said: LOL

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That was....odd. See, its that kind of thing that gives these arts a bad reputation. Sure, they may be legitimate in what is going on there....It may not be. It certainly does not look legit. It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it, videos just dont cut it.


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That was....odd. See, its that kind of thing that gives these arts a bad reputation. Sure, they may be legitimate in what is going on there....It may not be. It certainly does not look legit. It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it,

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videos just dont cut it.

That's exactly what it is, dramatic and completely fake. What get's me is that these people actually think they look convincing lol.


GrandmasterP +1

There's a lot of 'Push Hands' youtube clips along similar lines. 'Never say never', say I. BUT It generally seems to be the teacher's own students who are being tossed around. One would really need to be there and directly experience whatever was on offer. That clip posted above does seem to be 'advertising' to some extent and adverts do tend to overstate the case sometimes. Edited by GrandmasterP, 20 April 2014 - 06:03 PM. Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:04 PM

SonOfTheGods

theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 16:29, said: What can we say is an alternative approach/practice to opening up experiences and knowledge of these beings and dimensions gradually and safely?

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theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 16:49, said: ...I was also thinking that this may be BECAUSE of your initiations in the Western Mystery Tradition. My friend and brother magician also got nowhere with kunlun. Perhaps being a practicing magician is a control valve that prevents/blocks all the wacky vampirism that people mistake for "progress." Another important question: is one's Holy Guardian Angel an E.T.- like entity that acts as a "variable control" gradually opening one up to multi-dimensional experiences and energies?

Crowley, LAM, the EGG, and the ET equation. Mathers had a severe asthmatic reaction to ET visitors. Kenneth Grant loves to discuss ETS. Necronomicon is chock full of them. I could make 10 threads on just this question lol


KenBrace

GrandmasterP, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:03, said: +1 There's a lot of 'Push Hands' youtube clips along similar lines. 'Never say never', say I. BUT It generally seems to be the teacher's own students who are

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being tossed around. One would really need to be there and directly experience whatever was on offer. That clip posted above does seem to be 'advertising' to some extent and adverts do tend to overstate the case sometimes.

I think in the case of videos like the above you can safely say "rubish". Some demos are borderline and need looking into, but videos where people (always students) get thrown back from 20 ft away are obviously fake. Every time these guys get tested by skeptics they always fail and usually come up with the most retarded excuses ever.


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KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:38, said: LOL

*LOOKS FOR THE AMAZING JAMES RHANDI AWARD JPEG.*

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GrandmasterP, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:19, said: On another forum I visit there are lots of posters who talk about annunakis ( Sp?) and extra terrestrials and all sorts but the experiences they describe and the entities they give names to, seem to me; to be none different to the sorts of everyday experiences that spiritualists tend to take for granted.

There's some strange forums out there! òh wait..


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Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:45, said: That was....odd. See, its that kind of thing that gives these arts a bad reputation. Sure, they may be legitimate in what is going on there....It may not be. It certainly does not look legit. It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it, videos just dont cut it. Max has a lot of followers students and supporters on TaoBums I'm almost certain someone would love to Interview Max on

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KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:09, said:

I think in the case of videos like the above you can safely say "rubish". Some demos are borderline and need looking into, but videos where people (always students) get thrown back from 20 ft away are obviously fake. Every time these guys get tested by skeptics they always fail and usually come up with the most retarded excuses ever.

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GrandmasterP, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:15, said: Indeed.

All respect to each and every teacher. http://m.youtube.com...h?v=3CGMWlXosp4 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGMWlXosp4) Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:20 PM

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GrandmasterP, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:18, said: All respect to each and every teacher. http://m.youtube.com...h?v=3CGMWlXosp4 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGMWlXosp4)

AHH, MASTER KEN!!! He is super great, grand master of machismo.


SonOfTheGods Pure awesomeness! haha

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GrandmasterP, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:18, said: All respect to each and every teacher. http://m.youtube.com...h?v=3CGMWlXosp4 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGMWlXosp4)


GrandmasterP Thanks SoG.

I can only post links using this cruddy tablet. Seriously though, I do think we can learn from ALL teachers, even Master Ken. Maybe, sometimes not exactly the lesson that the teacher planned. One of the very best teachers I ever had was lazy, always late to class, generally disinterested and never ever properly prepared. I learnt from her example what NOT to do. Edited by GrandmasterP, 20 April 2014 - 06:29 PM. theurgy


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That was....odd. See, its that kind of thing that gives these arts a bad reputation. Sure, they may be legitimate in what is going on there....It may not be. It certainly does not look legit. It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it, videos just dont cut it.

I have been in the room with Max and witnessed this stuff happening...I'm still on the fence about whether it was "real" or not. For the record, I do like Max. He's one of a kind for sure. But I also fear he isn't always the one "behind the wheel." There was a thread on here from awhile back where people were discussing how Max used to be like a completely different person in years past. One advanced practitioner--Vajrasattva--even said "the new Max is from K-PAX." Now I'm not trying to discredit Max in any way. He is VERY knowledgeable on a variety of cultivation methods and martial arts. It seems to me that he doesn't spend a fraction of the amount of time talking about cultivating virtue as he does about himself and his far out experiences.


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theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:36, said: I have been in the room with Max and witnessed this stuff happening...I'm still on the fence about whether it was "real" or not.

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Same. Stuff was tried on me, but it didn't really work. Either that means the form of energy work itself was fake and people were all just buying into it and tricking themselves...or that I wasn't open enough (maybe too strong a sense of self/too much clingingmind). Truthfully, I'm on the fence as well, at least when it comes to the whole making-people-move-weird thing.

Uroboros

Posted 20 April 2014 - 07:07 PM Aetherous, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:05, said: Same. Stuff was tried on me, but it didn't really work. Either that means the form of energy work itself was fake and people were all just buying into it and tricking themselves...or that I wasn't open enough (maybe too strong a sense of self/too much clinging-mind). Truthfully, I'm on the fence as well, at least when it comes to the whole making-people-move-weird thing.

If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their manipulation to work...then it is nothing special. Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.

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If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their manipulation to work...then it is nothing special. Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.

Well, think about it this way...you can't have enlightenment so long as this clinging mind and experiential concept of self exists. Basic Buddhism there. It's not that I was saying you'd need a weak self (as in giving into hypnosis)...but that if you have always lived in full control of your every action, and haven't spent a ton of time in relaxed and open states of being and have that be your natural mode of living, then that sense of control and focus could stop such a method from working. Or on the other hand, it was a mass hypnosis/hysteria kind of phenomenon. Totally on the fence.


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Aetherous, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:16, said: Well, think about it this way...you can't have enlightenment so long as this clinging mind and experiential concept of self exists. Basic Buddhism there. It's not that I was saying you'd need a weak self (as in giving into hypnosis)...but that if you have always lived in full control of your every action, and haven't spent a ton of time in relaxed and open states of being and have that be your natural mode of

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living, then that sense of control and focus could stop such a method from working. Or on the other hand, it was a mass hypnosis/hysteria kind of phenomenon. Totally on the fence.

I understand. I feel that even if you can influence a person when they are in a receptive state, such as you are describing, but you cannot when they are out of it... Then its more of a influence, nudge, hypnosis type thing, then actual force/ power. Even if its a real ability, its not much of one. IF thats the height of heights...does not seem worth going for.

theurgy

Posted 20 April 2014 - 07:36 PM Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:07, said: If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their manipulation to work...then it is nothing special. Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.

As one Teacher put it Shaktipats and energy transmissions don't really last long and they're not really effective anyway. After a getting blasted: "woah that's cool, I'm so high now"...and 5 minutes later..."what do you want to do? Do you want to go have

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chinese food?" In other words, it leaves you hungry.

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Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:07, said: If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their manipulation to work...then it is nothing special. Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.

I totally agree. People some up with the lamest excuses. Imo a real chi demonstration is like grabbing an electric fence. I don't care what position your body is in, how much you disbelieve, what state your mind is in, etc. it's going to knock your block off! LOL! Here's a prime example of the retarded excuses given by "masters" that have been shown to be frauds by skeptics... (Start at 5:20)

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KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 20:18, said: I totally agree. People some up with the lamest excuses. Imo a real chi demonstration is like grabbing an electric fence. I don't care what position your body is in, how much you disbelieve, what state your mind is in, etc. it's going to knock your block off! LOL! Here's a prime example of the retarded excuses given by "masters" that have been shown to be frauds by skeptics... (Start at 5:20)

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Dude, you should see MY half-moons!


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theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 20:40, said:

Dude, you should see MY half-moons! ...Plus!


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KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 21:03, said: ...Plus!

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He had his big toe up! Cant knock him down with his big toe up....just cant..

He had his tongue in the wrong position as well... Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:14 PM

Uroboros

KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 21:11, said: He had his tongue in the wrong position as well...

Everything was wrong to do our kamehameha qi ball blast special ultimate technique on this guy!! Just everything....(shakes head in sorrow)

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The real deal is nothing like these guys. No need to believe or wait so long to build it up. No swaying and then kinda falling. This is all very pentecostal church-ey. Cultish, even. It saddens me that this is what people think real Qi work is about... Real Internal Martial Power, is the real deal. It was not made for these shows, it was made for combat, for war, for killing and self defense. We as practitioners need to have higher goals, not to settle for these....unimpressive abilities. We need real, true, abilities and skills.

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:11 PM Once again I must emphasize that cultivating virtue is mission critical. To chase these kinds of powers without first getting over one's childish tendencies and baggage is to invite eventual

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disaster. As we progress along the Path, certain abilities will manifest. But how can one even know how to use such powers if one doesn't know one's Self? That's like people with an impoverished mentality who win the lottery. All their lives they thought "if I just had money, everything would be different." Then they hit the big winner and it's smooth sailing, right? Wrong. They haven't changed internally so the money is just a means for them to remain the same whilst being able to buy some more things. Big deal. What's more many of these people end up squandering their winnings and ending up right back where they started. This is the same as expecting to have some kind of multi-million dollar "chi bank account" so you can demonstrate to others how advanced you are. If you simply get over the need to impress others, you save yourself quite a substantial amount of time. In ancient times, it was asked of the candidate what they wanted from the Mysteries, many replied, “I wish to know” to which they were asked why? The response sought was short and direct for which no substitute would be accepted, “I wish to know in order to Serve.” Then the candidate would be asked the hardest questions of all "Why do you wish to know? "Who or what do you wish to Serve?"

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:18 PM theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 22:11, said:

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Once again I must emphasize that cultivating virtue is mission critical. To chase these kinds of powers without first getting over one's childish tendencies and baggage is to invite eventual disaster. As we progress along the Path, certain abilities will manifest. But how can one even know how to use such powers if one doesn't know one's Self? That's like people with an impoverished mentality who win the lottery. All their lives they thought "if I just had money, everything would be different." Then they hit the big winner and it's smooth sailing, right? Wrong. They haven't changed internally so the money is just a means for them to remain the same whilst being able to buy some more things. Big deal. What's more many of these people end up squandering their winnings and ending up right back where they started. This is the same as expecting to have some kind of multi-million dollar "chi bank account" so you can demonstrate to others how advanced you are. If you simply get over the need to impress others, you save yourself quite a substantial amount of time. In ancient times, it was asked of the candidate what they wanted from the Mysteries, many replied, “I wish to know” to which they were asked why? The response sought was short and direct for which no substitute would be accepted, “I wish to know in order to Serve.” Then the candidate would ask the hardest questions of all "Why do you wish to know? "Who or what do you wish to Serve?"

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I agree. You must develop your Self first. As you say, a million dollars will do little for one who is poor inside. Power and abilities/ skills are only as useful as you are. We must grow, develop, evolve.... Hmm, those are good questions, theurgy. I will ponder my own answers to them..


SonOfTheGods Same here.

I like Max- I dig all far out fringe stuff. The more OUT of the box, the better for me. When I first started posting on TaoBums, I posted about a "flat earth". Of course I didn't believe in that- but I wanted to force people out of their box- and STOP buying everything CONTROLLED science and history sells. For all we know, we live in a fish bowl. Of course my posts were misconstrued as Trolling. There are some people on TaoBums that deliberately push a certain Mainstream agenda. I'm surprised they haven't showed up on this thread, by now

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theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 18:36, said: I have been in the room with Max and witnessed this stuff happening...I'm still on the fence about whether it was "real" or not. For the record, I do like Max. He's one of a kind for sure. But I also fear he isn't always the one "behind the wheel." There was a thread on here from awhile back where people were discussing how Max used to be like a completely different person in years past. One advanced practitioner-Vajrasattva--even said "the new Max is from K-PAX." Now I'm not trying to discredit Max in any way. He is VERY knowledgeable on a variety of cultivation methods and martial arts. It seems to me that he doesn't spend a fraction of the amount of time talking about cultivating virtue as he does about himself and his far out experiences.


GrandmasterP There's a 'mainstream agenda'? Here! On TTB? (((( reaches for smelling salts))))

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One time back when I started out on here there was a weird mod. Seriously cannot remember her name. Musta blanked it out.

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She was all over me like a personal stalker. I spent more time on the subs bench suspended than ever I did posting. She gone. (((( Yay)))) :-) DW is the place to get flamed for posting anything 'heretical'. TTB is so much better these days than once it was. Only found one 'fundie' so far and he's not too persistent. Edited by GrandmasterP, 21 April 2014 - 10:12 AM. Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:16 AM

SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:07, said: If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their manipulation to work...then it is nothing special. Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.

About 12 years ago, my ex-motherinlaw, found out, this. Once she came to visit and had a bad headache. She complained about it the WHOLE VISIT. Finally I said I could "heal it" So I put my hand on her forehead and the other hand behind her head/occipital area. She had a simple stress headache- probably due to my presence.

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Anyway, the headache simply vanished. Of course, it was "merely a coincidence" that I healed her. I was okay with her disbelief. Then she started going on and on that I should have went to school to become a real doctor, rather than a witch doctor. I explained to her that the abilities I possess have nothing to do with modern medicine. To this she scoffed I told her about Qi, and she was smug "Oh you mean like in those stoooooooopid karate movies where the chinese guys fly around pure rubbish"- she says IT'S ON! So, I said- go stand across the room, a few inches away from that wall, over there. So she goes and stands there. I point my hands at her- palms to her And let it go! She was rocking and bouncing her butt off the wall, back and forth

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back and forth- then finally she conceded and sat down, stumbling towards her chair.

Not missing having the last word- she told me: "well at least you should be rolling in money, if you sold your soul to the devil"


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Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:33, said: I understand. I feel that even if you can influence a person when they are in a receptive state, such as you are describing, but you cannot when they are out of it... Then its more of a influence, nudge, hypnosis type thing, then actual force/ power. Even if its a real ability, its not much of one. IF thats the height of heights...does not seem worth going for.

Plus you do not want to be the ONLY guy in the room who can't feel this display of awesome powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

SonOfTheGods

Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:21 AM theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 19:36, said: As one Teacher put it Shaktipats and energy transmissions don't really last long and they're not really effective anyway. After a getting blasted: "woah that's cool, I'm so high now"...and 5

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minutes later..."what do you want to do? Do you want to go have chinese food?" In other words, it leaves you hungry.

Exactly- that's why I disagree with some schools where the teacher must give you an energy transmission in order for their new chikung methods to work.


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Uroboros, on 20 Apr 2014 - 21:09, said: He had his big toe up! Cant knock him down with his big toe up....just cant.. Jim McMillan called this guy out, in his book- but didn't mention his name. Wrote about the toe up fiasco lol

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:26 AM theurgy, on 20 Apr 2014 - 22:11, said: Once again I must emphasize that cultivating virtue is mission critical. To chase these kinds of powers without first getting over one's childish tendencies and baggage is to invite eventual disaster. As we progress along the Path, certain abilities will manifest. But how can one even know how to use such powers if one doesn't know one's Self? That's like people with an impoverished mentality who win the lottery. All their lives they thought "if I just had money, everything would be different."

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Then they hit the big winner and it's smooth sailing, right? Wrong. They haven't changed internally so the money is just a means for them to remain the same whilst being able to buy some more things. Big deal. What's more many of these people end up squandering their winnings and ending up right back where they started. This is the same as expecting to have some kind of multi-million dollar "chi bank account" so you can demonstrate to others how advanced you are. If you simply get over the need to impress others, you save yourself quite a substantial amount of time. In ancient times, it was asked of the candidate what they wanted from the Mysteries, many replied, “I wish to know” to which they were asked why? The response sought was short and direct for which no substitute would be accepted, “I wish to know in order to Serve.” Then the candidate would be asked the hardest questions of all "Why do you wish to know? "Who or what do you wish to Serve?"

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Exactly. I always think of that line from spiderman (was it uncle Ben???) in these kinds of discussions. To get back on the topic at hand, I have found in practice that Bloodstone (in raw form) is great for keeping "things that go bump in the night" at bay. As is doing some kind of daily purification ritual.


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SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 10:19, said: Plus you do not want to be the ONLY guy in the room who can't feel this display of awesome powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

I sort of feel this way when I read accounts of kunlun like this:

Quote That said, the beauty of a competent system (like kunlun), is that after a certain point, your own awareness has developed to such a degree that you can receive perfect practices directly from Highest Divine Spirits and Ancestors (or demons, if that's your thing). Kunlun gives you the opportunity to truly follow your own path.

Again, I'm not sure why people like you and I got fairly paltry results compared to someone like this. Perhaps it really is because of our magical practices or we are too scholarly or PLUS our toes are sometimes up and that is not playful enough for the kunlun egregore. PLUS...(fill in the blank)

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theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 14:01, said: Exactly. I always think of that line from spiderman (was it uncle Ben???) in these kinds of discussions. To get back on the topic at hand, I have found in practice that Bloodstone (in raw form) is great for keeping "things that go bump in the night" at bay. As is doing some kind of daily purification ritual.

What is a bloodstone? Yes, back on topic time, hehe. If you watch a scary movie, then start to see/ hear/ experience the visitations, did you open the door? If so, how do you close it?

theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 14:34, said: I sort of feel this way when I read accounts of kunlun like this:

Again, I'm not sure why people like you and I got fairly paltry results compared to someone like this. Perhaps it really is because of our magical practices or we are too scholarly or PLUS our toes are sometimes up and that is not playful enough for the kunlun egregore. PLUS...(fill in the blank)

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system cultivated in a certain way that does not mesh with kunlun? Say, if you do Wild Goose by itself, you will cultivate in one way, if you add in YinGongJIn, it changes it a bit.... Its a good change, for sure. It just adds some different things into the mix. So say kunlun needs someone who is not so...different. You both would have had to wash the plate clean, so to speak, to get anywhere with it.


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SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 10:00, said: Same here. I like Max- I dig all far out fringe stuff. The more OUT of the box, the better for me. When I first started posting on TaoBums, I posted about a "flat earth". Of course I didn't believe in that- but I wanted to force people out of their box- and STOP buying everything CONTROLLED science and history sells. For all we know, we live in a fish bowl. Of course my posts were misconstrued as Trolling.

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There are some people on TaoBums that deliberately push a certain Mainstream agenda. I'm surprised they haven't showed up on this thread, by now

I enjoyed your posts like the flat earth one. Until I experience something, I keep it open to much doubt. Even when I do experience it, I acknowledge how little I experience of what is truly there and how easy it is to manipulate the senses. Some people often take pointing out views/ ideas that are so wild to them, as trolling. Its absurd to them. Like Qi is to some particle scientists. History is written by the conquerors and winners...the agenda they want is the one they most often get.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 10:16, said: About 12 years ago, my ex-motherinlaw, found out, this. Once she came to visit and had a bad headache. She complained about it the WHOLE VISIT. Finally I said I could "heal it" So I put my hand on her forehead and the other hand behind her head/occipital area.

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She had a simple stress headache- probably due to my presence.

Anyway, the headache simply vanished. Of course, it was "merely a coincidence" that I healed her. I was okay with her disbelief. Then she started going on and on that I should have went to school to become a real doctor, rather than a witch doctor. I explained to her that the abilities I possess have nothing to do with modern medicine. To this she scoffed I told her about Qi, and she was smug "Oh you mean like in those stoooooooopid karate movies where the chinese guys fly around pure rubbish"- she says IT'S ON! So, I said- go stand across the room, a few inches away from that wall, over there. So she goes and stands there. I point my hands at her- palms to her

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And let it go! She was rocking and bouncing her butt off the wall, back and forth back and forth- then finally she conceded and sat down, stumbling towards her chair.

Not missing having the last word- she told me: "well at least you should be rolling in money, if you sold your soul to the devil"

SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 10:16, said: About 12 years ago, my ex-motherinlaw, found out, this. Once she came to visit and had a bad headache. She complained about it the WHOLE VISIT. Finally I said I could "heal it" So I put my hand on her forehead and the other hand behind her head/occipital area. She had a simple stress headache- probably due to my presence.

Anyway, the headache simply vanished. Of course, it was "merely a coincidence" that I healed her. I was okay with her disbelief.

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Then she started going on and on that I should have went to school to become a real doctor, rather than a witch doctor. I explained to her that the abilities I possess have nothing to do with modern medicine. To this she scoffed I told her about Qi, and she was smug "Oh you mean like in those stoooooooopid karate movies where the chinese guys fly around pure rubbish"- she says IT'S ON! So, I said- go stand across the room, a few inches away from that wall, over there. So she goes and stands there. I point my hands at her- palms to her And let it go! She was rocking and bouncing her butt off the wall, back and forth back and forth- then finally she conceded and sat down, stumbling towards her chair.

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devil"

HAHAH! Good lawd....Yes, you sold your soul to the devil. He prefers to be called Satin the Defier. He does not pay taxes. Is this why she is your ex mother in law? Too much qi battery? heh Thats the kind of thing we need to shoot for. To heal, to affect...to transform our selves. Not like the millman guy.

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http://en.wikipedia....trope_(mineral) (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Heliotrope_(mineral)) Bloodstone has a strongly Mars/Fire energy to it. On its own it will help you resonate with courage, fearlessness and determination. When empowered it will send demons and ghosts running in the opposite direction of the wearer. Legend has it that these entities fear the stone for its mysterious power. Maybe your previous experiences in cultivation already have your system cultivated in a certain way that does not mesh with kunlun?

Quote

Say, if you do Wild Goose by itself, you will cultivate in one way, if you add in YinGongJIn, it changes it a bit.... Its a good change, for sure. It just adds some different things into the mix. So say kunlun needs someone who is not so...different. You both

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would have had to wash the plate clean, so to speak, to get anywhere with it. Great post. This is something I have been hinting at without saying outright. Suffice it to say that the entities in our respective lineages may not be on the same page.


Uroboros

theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 15:10, said: http://en.wikipedia....trope_(mineral) (http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Heliotrope_(mineral)) Bloodstone has a strongly Mars/Fire energy to it. On its own it will help you resonate with courage, fearlessness and determination. When empowered it will send demons and ghosts running in the opposite direction of the wearer. Legend has it that these entities fear the stone for its mysterious power. Maybe your previous experiences in cultivation already have your system cultivated in a certain way that does not mesh with kunlun? Great post. This is something I have been hinting at without saying outright. Suffice it to say that the entities in our respective lineages may not be on the same page.

Hmm...Is the bloodstone you are talking about the mineral or an alchemical/ internal/ magickal thing?

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Hmmm....I can see how there would be problems if entities/ spirits clash. I wonder if one is not benevolent and one is, what would happen? Nothing? Or some sort of negative reaction?


theurgy

Bloodstone is a form of Chalcedony that may be empowered magically. You are correct in your intuition that one may cultivate a kind of inner alchemical bloodstone. This would occur at advanced stages on the Path when one has no need for external tools.


Uroboros

theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 15:45, said: Bloodstone is a form of Chalcedony that may be empowered magically. You are correct in your intuition that one may cultivate a kind of inner alchemical bloodstone. This would occur at advanced stages on the Path when one has no need for external tools.

Gotcha. So it is both. thats pretty cool! It sounds like a very powerful type of stone, internal or not. I will get one....

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Uroboros, on 21 Apr 2014 - 15:47, said: Gotcha. So it is both. thats pretty cool! It sounds like a very powerful type of stone, internal or not. I will get one....

Purchasing it on a tuesday (Mars) would be ideal. Also make sure it is raw and unpolished for maximum benefit. Failing these, just get one and carry it on you and note the results.


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Captain Mar-Vell, on 21 Apr 2014 - 15:53, said: ... Totems are a tool to be used. They are not essential.

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It is easy to make the tool the thing, forgetting the real thing.....


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theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 16:01, said: Purchasing it on a tuesday (Mars) would be ideal. Also make sure it is raw and unpolished for maximum benefit. Failing these, just get one and carry it on you and note the results.

Oh, thanks, Theurgy! I will try and get it on a tuesday, raw and unpolished should be doable. I shall carry it with me always.....See if it does good things with me.

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The only possible "alien" experience I ever had was a "dream" I had when about five years old. A silver saucer landed on my lawn. Some silver men got out, I shouted at them to leave and they did so. I had another curious dream where I went deep underground and met a great lord wearing a golden winged helm. He spoke to me, but of what I do not recall. My encounter with higher self archetype/hga etc I do not consider to have any connection with ghosts or aliens or djinn or demons. Maybe it my Daemon. That is an inspiring genius.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:58 PM I've been involved with kunlun for a few years now, and have met with Max many times, and have done all the practices commonly discussed on TTB plus a few more (the Egyptian stuff, bagua, kan&li, various standing forms, etc). My perspective on the old stories of "haunting" or "possession" is that there is no danger. As Max will tell you at every class "there is

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only one of us here." (although you may miss this little gem, because he talks nonstop with long digressions and hyperbolic anecdotes) At his most recent seminar, someone asked him point blank about the danger of "entities," referring implicitly to Sifu Jenny Lamb who offers to perform entity removal (aka exorcism). He explained that whatever you see or feel or experience during or as a result of kunlun practices is all part of your own mind, as is all of reality. You may see weird things or scary things sometimes, but there is no danger that a demon or lizard is going to materialize for real and eat you, just as there is no chance that Max will physically transform into a golden dragon and fly around the room. Regarding transmission - recently he rarely mentions that there is a transmission involved, and has even said at times that transmission is not necessary. He will not announce "I am going to give you transmission now," but he does do it at times and if it happens you will know it. Regarding ETs - Yeah Max is out there with his stories and theories of aliens, ancestors, ghosts, etc. Believe or not, who cares? It's not a religion with scriptures where you have to follow a doctrine. Anyone who's done it for any amount of time can tell you that Max is constantly changing. He changes his appearance, gains and loses weight, relocates his home frequently, and changes the practices around. He'll tell you to NEVER do something and then later whispers in your ear to do exactly that thing. Kunlun is a very creative technique, unique to each individual practitioner... the whole point of the forms is to move into formlessness, spontaneity, self-discovery, and self-transformation.

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multiarms, on 23 Apr 2014 - 16:58, said: I've been involved with kunlun for a few years now, and have met with Max many times, and have done all the practices commonly discussed on TTB plus a few more (the Egyptian stuff, bagua, kan&li, various standing forms, etc). My perspective on the old stories of "haunting" or "possession" is that there is no danger. As Max will tell you at every class "there is only one of us here." (although you may miss this little gem, because he talks nonstop with long digressions and hyperbolic anecdotes) At his most recent seminar, someone asked him point blank about the danger of "entities," referring implicitly to Sifu Jenny Lamb who offers to perform entity removal (aka exorcism). He explained that whatever you see or feel or experience during or as a result of kunlun practices is all part of your own mind, as is all of reality. You may see weird things or scary things sometimes, but there is no danger that a demon or lizard is going to materialize for real and eat you, just as there is no chance that Max will physically transform into a golden dragon and fly around the room. Regarding transmission - recently he rarely mentions that there is a transmission involved, and has even said at times that transmission is not necessary. He will not announce "I am going to give you transmission now," but he does do it at times and if it happens you will know it. Regarding ETs - Yeah Max is out there with his stories and theories of aliens, ancestors, ghosts, etc. Believe or not, who

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cares? It's not a religion with scriptures where you have to follow a doctrine. Anyone who's done it for any amount of time can tell you that Max is constantly changing. He changes his appearance, gains and loses weight, relocates his home frequently, and changes the practices around. He'll tell you to NEVER do something and then later whispers in your ear to do exactly that thing. Kunlun is a very creative technique, unique to each individual practitioner... the whole point of the forms is to move into formlessness, spontaneity, self-discovery, and self-transformation.

Thank you for sharing your experiences, Multiarms! Its good to hear from all sides. In your experience, the entities and such are not a part of the system, they are expressions of the mind? I dont consider max's beliefs or ideas about ET's to be strange...Its strange to think that sentient life does NOT exist outside of earth! What benefits have you experienced from training in the kunlun system?

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In your experience, the entities and such are not a part of the system, they are expressions of the mind? What benefits have you experienced from training in the kunlun system?

I've gone thru stages where "nothings happening" and stages with full blown energy explosions and releases... Occasionally I've sensed or felt as if there were presences or something around me, sometimes helpful or friendly, sometimes a bit threatening or scary. Usually this happens at home in my darkened shrine room area, not so much outside in nature. When this stuff happens I just focus on that blissful radiance in the middle field, and try to laugh at the funny stuff that comes up when you let your mind and body go. There's no harm in making it into a story like "oh my ancestors are here to help me" or "whoa watch out, unfriendly spirits are about today." But ultimately it's all my own stuff expressing itself, IMHO. This storytelling aspect of the practice is cool with me, it's part of the mythopoetic tradition of mankind (especially shamanic traditions). My benefits from kunlun have included improved health; more natural diet; feeling happier, calmer and more energetic in general; and improved sex life I pretty much healed myself of chronic back pain that I used to get, which I think was due to stress, repressed emotions, and lack of mobility in the body. And most importantly it opened me up spiritually so that I was able to see my true nature, and enjoy awakening.

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My whole life changed in the worldly sense as well, because I figured out what was really important, stopped worrying about stupid shit, and found the courage to quit an unsatisfying job and move thousands of miles away to start a new and better life. I've also met a lot of really cool friends, including several other bums from this forum.


theurgy

I can vouch for the fact that Multiarms is a way-cool dude in person! Just to be clear, even though I have questioned the efficacy of kunlun--for certain individuals--I am NOT anti-Kunlun--far from it. It has improved my life in its own way and I am not myopic to the fact that some of the most insightful bums on this forum have been opened up spiritually by kunlun. The way these individuals conduct themselves on TTB to me speaks volumes compared to some of the neurotic tether-balls one finds trolling about!


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Do you do the other exercise's Max has? Red Phoenix, his astral travel work, etc? Or is all this solely attributed to Kunlun- magnetic YinGong like Jenny lamb shows Chris Matsuo has some stuff like Red Phoenix too much in the head area for me though ____________ 4/30/2014 11:15 AM


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You have to run the whole gamut of Qi streams, not just in one location/3rd eye-- IMO///IME that's like doing sit ups to get rid of the belly-fat in just that one area spot reduction don't work you have to train the WHOLE BODY, diet etc

multiarms, on 23 Apr 2014 - 20:04, said: I've gone thru stages where "nothings happening" and stages with full blown energy explosions and releases... Occasionally I've sensed or felt as if there were presences or something around me, sometimes helpful or friendly, sometimes a bit threatening or scary. Usually this happens at home in my darkened shrine room area, not so much outside in nature. When this stuff happens I just focus on that blissful radiance in the middle field, and try to laugh at the funny stuff that comes up when you let your mind and body go. There's no harm in making it into a story like "oh my ancestors are here to help me" or "whoa watch out, unfriendly spirits are about today." But ultimately it's all my own stuff expressing itself, IMHO. This storytelling aspect of the practice is cool with me, it's part of the mythopoetic tradition of mankind (especially shamanic traditions). My benefits from kunlun have included improved health; more natural diet; feeling happier, calmer and more energetic in general; and improved sex life

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I pretty much healed myself of chronic back pain that I used to get, which I think was due to stress, repressed emotions, and lack of mobility in the body. And most importantly it opened me up spiritually so that I was able to see my true nature, and enjoy awakening. My whole life changed in the worldly sense as well, because I figured out what was really important, stopped worrying about stupid shit, and found the courage to quit an unsatisfying job and move thousands of miles away to start a new and better life. I've also met a lot of really cool friends, including several other bums from this forum.










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theurgy, on 24 Apr 2014 - 01:03, said: I can vouch for the fact that Multiarms is a way-cool dude in person! Just to be clear, even though I have questioned the efficacy of kunlun--for certain individuals--I am NOT anti-Kunlun--far from it. It has improved my life in its own way and I am not myopic to the fact that some of the most insightful bums on this forum have been opened up spiritually by kunlun. The way these individuals conduct themselves on TTB to me speaks volumes compared to some of the neurotic tether-balls one finds trolling about!

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I do all the "core" practices of the KUNLUN system: 1. standing - I Jong, 5 elements, and other forms 2. the formless practice (aka "kunlun level 1") which is similar to Jenny Lamb's thing 3. Red phoenix suite (there are several levels done in order) 4. Maoshan golden flower. In terms of time, I've spent the most time on standing and kunlun level 1, since those are the most fundamental. After a few years now, I can activate the kunlun at will, so it only takes 15-20 minutes before it's time to "close down". Red phoenix I usually do in a separate session by itself. Not often, 2-3 times a week at most. A little goes a long way. That shit works. Golden flower - I still haven't cracked the code but I'm playing around with it. I also do baguazhang which I learned (in part) from Max. There are plenty of other practices which I do less frequently, such as the "traveling hands" (astral projection thing) and Red Sun practice. I learned some of Max's Egyptian practices as well, but it was not for me so I never did it on my own outside of the workshop.

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multiarms, on 24 Apr 2014 - 14:10, said: I do all the "core" practices of the KUNLUN system: 1. standing - I Jong, 5 elements, and other forms 2. the formless practice (aka "kunlun level 1") which is similar to Jenny Lamb's thing 3. Red phoenix suite (there are several levels done in order) 4. Maoshan golden flower. In terms of time, I've spent the most time on standing and kunlun level 1, since those are the most fundamental. After a few years now, I can activate the kunlun at will, so it only takes 15-20 minutes before it's time to "close down". Red phoenix I usually do in a separate session by itself. Not often, 2-3 times a week at most. A little goes a long way. That shit works. Golden flower - I still haven't cracked the code but I'm playing around with it. I also do baguazhang which I learned (in part) from Max. There are plenty of other practices which I do less frequently, such as the "traveling hands" (astral projection thing) and Red Sun practice. I learned some of Max's Egyptian practices as well, but it was not for me so I never did it on my own outside of the workshop. when holding your breathe, the middle Tan Tien feels as though it breathes on it's on accord. awesome stuff

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SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 18:25, said: when holding your breathe, the middle Tan Tien feels as though it breathes on it's on accord. awesome stuff

Huh.... I never noticed what I was feeling with clarity until I read this. It does feel like the middle TanTien/ Solar Plexus is breathing when doing a full retention! It is also easier to stay relaxed and comfy in the retention with awareness of the breath pulse.



In your experience, the entities and such are not a part of the system, they are expressions of the mind?

I would certainly insist that any "entities" that I may have "encountered" were entirely constructs of my own mind. Just dreams, a figment of the mind's eye.

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Uroboros, on 24 Apr 2014 - 23:17, said: Huh.... I never noticed what I was feeling with clarity until I read this. It does feel like the middle TanTien/ Solar Plexus is breathing when doing a full retention! It is also easier to stay relaxed and comfy in the retention with awareness of the breath pulse.

Max's Red Sun is useful for this

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Quantum LDT Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 23 2014 10:31 AM Quantum LDT, Page 1 of 2 Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:31 AM

SonOfTheGods

Sometimes, I am just asking for Trouble The catalyst is coming! etc etc etc


Uroboros Woo!

The beginning is nigh, the end is close.... The catalyst is coming!!


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Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 10:33, said: Woo! The beginning is nigh, the end is close.... The catalyst is coming!! all hell, shall break forth

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it is prophecied in- our book of daobums


tendou Yeah!


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SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 10:40, said: all hell, shall break forth it is prophecied in- our book of daobums

The book of the daobums...Older then old. Written on paper made from a 100,100 year old branch of the World Tree.... Written in the blood of Golden Dragons reverently sacrificed in a holy ritual of their Ancient GoD. The book of the daobums. It is written. It shall pass.

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let me know when this thread gets deleted and the real one gets created


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joeblast, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:53, said: let me know when this thread gets deleted and the real one gets created

lol ok so it begins: Immortal means he/she transcended and is no longer subjected to Forced/Involuntary Induced Incarnations to the 3D world(s) Which means ALL current physical incarnations have ceased. This is to say that all physical time lines have negated their time locks.

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The individual is no longer bound to subserviently incarnate against their conscious Will. Time is not linear. Goes forward back and side to side. We have multiple simutaneous lifetimes all happening now. For an (lowest level) IMMORTAL, this must mean that all levels of evolutionary cultivation has been finalized- in order to Transcend ALL time lines. If an individual starts to approach their Immortal zone, i.e., "getting close" that means all their other bodies on all other time lines must have either completed them, or are also getting close to completion. The Tan Tiens exist outside of time. It is quantumly feasible to start to connect all non-Immortal Tan Tiens in one Hyper-Stream A Tesseract construct interacts the same way 2 independant Tan Tiens can co-exist side by side outside of time and space. Example: I exist on 5 timelines I start to communicate with each of myself(s) via dream yoga. I am married on all 5 layers- yet my wife and I always look

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different in dreams. (This is currently happening to me) This is due to visiting myself in either present past or near future(s) Once I can see or feel, and have my resting sentient point of reference in the 3D world- I formulate this yearning (Catalyst) to reach out. My other existing selves will/should respond accordingly as long as we do not breach quantum laws In essence we are sending Quantum Transference to each other- to aid and consummate what the rest of ourself(s) are lacking. We start to line up, and Self-Shaktipat each zone.


SonOfTheGods

One step further- as far as the Immortal Zone goes: If one of our selves has already reached I.Z.- then the other "ones" can seek guidance via Alpha level- from that discarnate transcended self- Holy Guardian Angel i.e., "One of us already made it"

SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:28, said: lol ok so it begins: Immortal means he/she transcended and is no longer subjected to Forced/Involuntary Induced Incarnations to the 3D world(s)

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Which means ALL current physical incarnations have ceased. This is to say that all physical time lines have negated their time locks. The individual is no longer bound to subserviently incarnate against their conscious Will. Time is not linear. Goes forward back and side to side. We have multiple simutaneous lifetimes all happening now. For an (lowest level) IMMORTAL, this must mean that all levels of evolutionary cultivation has been finalized- in order to Transcend ALL time lines. If an individual starts to approach their Immortal zone, i.e., "getting close" that means all their other bodies on all other time lines must have either completed them, or are also getting close to completion. The Tan Tiens exist outside of time. It is quantumly feasible to start to connect all non-Immortal Tan Tiens in one Hyper-Stream A Tesseract construct interacts the same way 2 independant Tan Tiens can co-exist side by side outside of time and space. Example:

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I exist on 5 timelines I start to communicate with each of myself(s) via dream yoga. I am married on all 5 layers- yet my wife and I always look different in dreams. (This is currently happening to me) This is due to visiting myself in either present past or near future(s) Once I can see or feel, and have my resting sentient point of reference in the 3D world- I formulate this yearning (Catalyst) to reach out. My other existing selves will/should respond accordingly as long as we do not breach quantum laws In essence we are sending Quantum Transference to each otherto aid and consummate what the rest of ourself(s) are lacking. We start to line up, and Self-Shaktipat each zone.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:28, said: lol ok so it begins: Immortal means he/she transcended and is no longer subjected to Forced/Involuntary Induced Incarnations to the 3D world(s) Which means ALL current physical incarnations have ceased.

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This is to say that all physical time lines have negated their time locks. The individual is no longer bound to subserviently incarnate against their conscious Will. Time is not linear. Goes forward back and side to side. We have multiple simutaneous lifetimes all happening now. For an (lowest level) IMMORTAL, this must mean that all levels of evolutionary cultivation has been finalized- in order to Transcend ALL time lines. If an individual starts to approach their Immortal zone, i.e., "getting close" that means all their other bodies on all other time lines must have either completed them, or are also getting close to completion. The Tan Tiens exist outside of time. It is quantumly feasible to start to connect all non-Immortal Tan Tiens in one Hyper-Stream A Tesseract construct interacts the same way 2 independant Tan Tiens can co-exist side by side outside of time and space. Example: I exist on 5 timelines I start to communicate with each of myself(s) via dream yoga.

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I am married on all 5 layers- yet my wife and I always look different in dreams. (This is currently happening to me) This is due to visiting myself in either present past or near future(s) Once I can see or feel, and have my resting sentient point of reference in the 3D world- I formulate this yearning (Catalyst) to reach out. My other existing selves will/should respond accordingly as long as we do not breach quantum laws In essence we are sending Quantum Transference to each otherto aid and consummate what the rest of ourself(s) are lacking. We start to line up, and Self-Shaktipat each zone.

The catalyst is a yearning for the desired outcome? The rest I follow well enough. Connect with other selves, start to transfer what each one is lacking/ knows to progress faster, merge timelines Hmm....That sounds allot more complicated then it seems.

tendou

Posted 23 April 2014 - 07:06 PM If my other slef is nearing immortality in any point in their life(meaniing that they don;t need to exist in the same time one

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could be in the future, another in the past and so on), What you are saying is that I and I and other I can go help each other. But it need that them nearing immortality? And how to formulate the yearning or catalyst to reach out?


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SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:37, said: One step further- as far as the Immortal Zone goes: If one of our selves has already reached I.Z.- then the other "ones" can seek guidance via Alpha level- from that discarnate transcended self- Holy Guardian Angel i.e., "One of us already made it"

How do the I who is typing right now know, that it is also I (who already made it that contacted me) and not other being?

Uroboros

Posted 23 April 2014 - 07:08 PM tendou, on 23 Apr 2014 - 19:06, said: If my other slef is nearing immortality in any point in their life(meaniing that they don;t need to exist in the same time one could be in the future, another in the past and so on), What you are saying is that I and I and other I can go help each

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other. But it need that them nearing immortality? And how to formulate the yearning or catalyst to reach out?

Good questions, Tendou! Do our other selves need to be cultivating? If one of our selves has already attained high levels, can we absorb/ integrate that experience/ results?


Andrei

Yes, all lower selves needs to cultivate, but only one is successful. That one is still you but in another universe, another timeline, another dimension. Anyway after death you will integrate with the higher self and all your life experiences will be absorbed by your higher self. If you create the link with the higher self before death, this is even better, because the higher self learns in the same time as you, he benefits of your life experiences as you live them, and by that all your other selves are benefiting instantly, even if your experiences are mistakes and failures, this does not matter, because the other selves learn from your mistakes. You may receive intuitions or visions that are coming from the higher self that are lessons learned or experiences lived by the other life variants. The higher self is already immortal, but you have to die to reunite with shim. If you do that during life on earth it is called "celestial immortal". theurgy


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Quote Once I can see or feel, and have my resting sentient point of reference in the 3D world- I formulate this yearning (Catalyst) to reach out. My other existing selves will/should respond accordingly as long as we do not breach quantum laws In essence we are sending Quantum Transference to each otherto aid and consummate what the rest of ourself(s) are lacking. We start to line up, and Self-Shaktipat each zone.

This is VERY similar to the approach of E.J. Gold. What's interesting is I have been pondering these very concepts a lot lately and didn't expect to have this discussion on Taobums. In short, he teaches a form of out of body travel in which one merges with one's "Parallel Universe Personas" and integrates them with one's 3D self.

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His work provides much food for thought..even if it is highly peculiar

Edited by theurgy, 24 April 2014 - 12:32 AM. Uroboros

Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:37 PM Andrei, on 23 Apr 2014 - 22:24, said: Yes, all lower selves needs to cultivate, but only one is successful. That one is still you but in another universe, another timeline, another dimension. Anyway after death you will integrate with the higher self and all your life experiences will be absorbed by your higher self. If you create the link with the higher self before death, this is even better, because the higher self learns in the same time as you, he benefits of your life experiences as you live them, and by that all your other selves are benefiting instantly, even if your experiences are mistakes and failures, this does not matter, because the other selves learn from your mistakes. You may receive intuitions or visions that are coming from the higher self that are lessons learned or experiences lived by the other life variants. The higher self is

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already immortal, but you have to die to reunite with shim. If you do that during life on earth it is called "celestial immortal".

Couldnt we bypass our other I's and go straight to our higher self/ immortal spirit? By doing so, would we be able to infuse our earthly bodies and the various other non-immortal essences with our immortal essence, thereby becoming fully immortal?

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Yes you could, this the whole point of "enlightenment in a single lifetime". If you could do that you are the "Chosen One" out of many variants, you are the best, the only one who could achieved this goal.

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Edited by Andrei, 23 April 2014 - 11:19 PM. Posted 24 April 2014 - 11:02 AM

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Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:47, said: The catalyst is a yearning for the desired outcome? The rest I follow well enough. Connect with other selves, start to transfer what each one is lacking/ knows to progress faster, merge timelines Hmm....That sounds allot more complicated then it seems.

tendou, on 23 Apr 2014 - 19:06, said: If my other slef is nearing immortality in any point in their life(meaniing that they don;t need to exist in the same time one could be in the future, another in the past and so on), What you are saying is that I and I and other I can go help each

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other. But it need that them nearing immortality? And how to formulate the yearning or catalyst to reach out?

It is not "difficult" per se- but the catalyst is multi-layered. We will discuss the multi-tiered catalyst- down the road. The *Will*, is one such catalyst Knowing that "hey this makes sense" is one thing. Incorporating it into daily cultivation routines is the other. For instance- some people think when you cultivate you should be almost unconscious, LOL!- which couldn't be further from the truth. You want your consciousness at the fore-front to be occupied/active, while you tap the (primary)/(secondary) subconsciousness There is also a 3rd layer of consciousness dubbed the cryptoconscious (shhhh lol don't tell that to the traditionalists) Contacting each discarnate self is a dichotomy/duality in the cultivation process that is an dual independant/simutaneous thought stream at work like a cellular mental/mind MCO

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MIND-BLOCKS: There is SO MUCH B/S/ OUT THERE, it is almost impossible to incorporate anything unorthodox.

Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 19:08, said: Good questions, Tendou! Do our other selves need to be cultivating? If one of our selves has already attained high levels, can we absorb/ integrate that experience/ results?

theurgy, on 23 Apr 2014 - 22:37, said: This is VERY similar to the approach of E.J. Gold. What's interesting is I have been pondering these very concepts a lot lately and didn't expect to have this discussion on Taobums. In short, he teaches a form of out of body travel in which one merges with one's "Parallel Universe Personas" and integrates them with one's 3D self.

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His work provides much food for thought..even if it is highly peculiar


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Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 22:37, said: Couldnt we bypass our other I's and go straight to our higher self/ immortal spirit? By doing so, would we be able to infuse our earthly bodies and the various other non-immortal essences with our immortal essence, thereby becoming fully immortal?

To be an Immortal means no more physical time line penetration against your Will If your other selves are not cultivating, then some of them will need to reincarante again to continue the evolution to Immortality so ALL OF YOU must be catching up and getting close- not just

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one or two depnding on how many of you, there actually are it could be an infiite amount- but they: ALL START TO FUSE AT THE CORE CENTRAL CORE = WHERE YOUR PRIMARY CONSCIOUSNESS IS SENTIENT Thus, YOU are the center of your own universe, etc


theurgy

SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:07, said: To be an Immortal means no more physical time line penetration against your Will If your other selves are not cultivating, then some of them will need to reincarante again to continue the evolution to Immortality so ALL OF YOU must be catching up and getting close- not just one or two depnding on how many of you, there actually are it could be an infiite amount- but they: ALL START TO FUSE AT THE CORE CENTRAL CORE = WHERE YOUR PRIMARY CONSCIOUSNESS IS SENTIENT

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Thus, YOU are the center of your own universe, etc Something I have been contemplating: when we send out prayers/blessings for all Beings in the Universe We are de facto including all those "parallel universe" versions of ourselves as well. Through Quantum entanglement we are reaching those selves that aren't even on the Path and subtly guiding them to be more virtuous and bringing them across the "nadir" that divides an incarnations moving more towards the physical and those that move towards the spiritual. In essence, by directed Will we are increasing the probabilities that our other selves will be brought across the threshold. Now, are you proposing SOTG a method to simultaneously bind all multiverse selves to the "Higest Self" so that all are at the same stage of progress? This is a fascinating thread.


BaguaKicksAss

I like to travel around and visit the others

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theurgy, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:39, said: Something I have been contemplating: when we send out prayers/blessings for all Beings in the Universe

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We are de facto including all those "parallel universe" versions of ourselves as well. Through Quantum entanglement we are reaching those selves that aren't even on the Path and subtly guiding them to be more virtuous and bringing them across the "nadir" that divides an incarnations moving more towards the physical and those that move towards the spiritual. In essence, by directed Will we are increasing the probabilities that our other selves will be brought across the threshold. Now, are you proposing SOTG a method to simultaneously bind all multiverse selves to the "Higest Self" so that all are at the same stage of progress? This is a fascinating thread.

I just have to be careful with this one because it, can/might /mostcertainlywill- cause some problems emotional and haunting/precognitions/flashback/bleedthroughs sort of "stuff"..


theurgy

Have you experienced this yourself? I suppose there would be some kind of reactions in one's consciousness Due to the influence of non-local "gravity" for lack of a better term. Such work is difficult to conceptualize

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theurgy, on 24 Apr 2014 - 19:06, said: Have you experienced this yourself? I suppose there would be some kind of reactions in one's consciousness Due to the influence of non-local "gravity" for lack of a better term. Such work is difficult to conceptualize Translocation,. morphic resonance of a foamy-diamond egregore with many facets of Self. Stray thoughts and figuring which one of Me, said it it's like Lovecraft on DMT


theurgy

Oh man, that's funny but so very not funny at the same time. Have you been able to ascertain what practices bring you most "out of phase" and how to mitigate the negative effects?


SonOfTheGods

theurgy, on 24 Apr 2014 - 20:40, said: Oh man, that's funny but so very not funny at the same time. Have you been able to ascertain what practices bring you most "out of phase" and how to mitigate the negative effects?

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It's like fusing multiple personalities one (hopefully) is in charge need a referee lol sometimes you think it is under control certain emotions can exacerbate it

that's why Israel Regardie recommended everyone take a psych class before magick Crowley must have seen me coming


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theurgy, on 24 Apr 2014 - 20:40, said: and how to mitigate the negative effects?

this is why I do not recommend doing drugs/hallucinagens because if the door gets kicked in- there's going to be a problem even with Kundalini better to not even start

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thus my hesitation in teaching this


theurgy

Absolutely. Drugs put one on the Royal Road to Hell.


theurgy

SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 20:53, said: that's why Israel Regardie recommended everyone take a psych class before magick Crowley must have seen me coming

Regardie was a wise man. I often recommend people start with his "One Year Manual" It's a solid foundation to build on. Also recommended are Dr Hyatt's "Undoing" techniques. Essential for aspiring magicians IMO.

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Max Christenson of Kunlun said he didn't rip off Kunlun from Jenny Lamb but a female in a cave was visited by a spirit and gave her the potent instruction Wang Liping speaks of interaction with the spirit worldOpening the Dragon Gate tells the story of 3 Daoist Wizards There was a lot of Opium going around in the ancient days (still is)- and hallucinations/Visions, like DMT- have MUCH to share. Shamans do this all the time You can go to sleep and dream - and awaken to find the answer to your questions same as outer body experience which really isn't "out of body" (maybe for a later discussion) So, what do Immortals do all day and all night long? Considering there are 5 types of Immortals- there's a lot. 4/30/2014 11:17 AM


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Ghost Immortal, Human Immortal , Earth Immortal, Spirit Immortal, and Heaven/Celestial Immortal: 1) Ghost Immortals are the lowest of the five，liberated via yin, unclear in spirit, no name in ghost and heavenly realms, although out of reincarnation, cannot return to heaven. They belong to nowhere, only cease to reborn. 2) Human Immortals have not realize the great Dao, they obtained one method, and in one method obtained one skill. They practice whole heartedly, obtain pure spirit and chi, solidify form, immune from human world disease. 3) Earth Immortals follow law of sky and earth’s rising and falling, obtain the number for the manifestation of son and moon. Within the body, observe the changes in annual, monthly, and daily cycles. Understand the dragon and tiger, regulate Kan and Li, differentiate the purity of the water source, use different fire in different times, observe the two opposites, three cores, four phenomenon, five elements, set the six energies, collect the seven treasures, sequence the bagua, circulate the energy, refine the form and stay in the world, achieve long life. 4) Spirit Immortals are Earth Immortal who no longer interest to live in the world. They continue the practice, refine gold and jade, transform form into energy, five energies go back to the source, three Yan gather at the top, when practise complete form is forgotten. Yin ends and Yan is pure, they discover body beyond body, depart from form and rise into immortal, transcend ordinary and become extraordinary, decline the secular world and go back to heaven.

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5) Heaven Immortals are Spirit Immortals transcend attachment to stay in heaven. They spread the Dao in human world, continue the deed until the divine work is done, then receive the heavenly summon to go back to the thirty-six heavens, back to eighty-one Yan heavens, to the three purest heavens.

..and humans discover/re-learn enchanted techniques.


Captain Mar-Vell ... This sounds like one to watch. Is it similar to; QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT?

TANGLE FOOT BAG be Alchemycal Weapon. xxx ...


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Captain Mar-Vell, on 19 Apr 2014 - 05:15, said: ...

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This sounds like one to watch. Is it similar to; QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT? TANGLE FOOT BAG be Alchemycal weapon. xxx ... In the 6 Thunders thread


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Of course, some will immediately laugh, mock, troll. That's usually the way those who "know" perform/act out/act-upto try to discredit- truth from being revealed. Then there are "know-it-alls" who *think*, ONLY they know "know-it-all", but really, live in a small box yelling: "NO! My! Way! Is! The! Truth!"

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Fact is: Internal Alchemy is Occultism 101 Philosopher's Stone- all of it. Spirit Interaction is Part of NeiGong- like it, or not & "A Part" is: Hologram 101

SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 00:36, said: Max Christenson of Kunlun said he didn't rip off Kunlun from Jenny Lamb but a female in a cave was visited by a spirit and gave her the potent instruction Wang Liping speaks of interaction with the spirit worldOpening the Dragon Gate tells the story of 3 Daoist Wizards There was a lot of Opium going around in the ancient days (still is)- and hallucinations/Visions, like DMT- have MUCH to share. Shamans do this all the time You can go to sleep and dream - and awaken to find the answer to your questions same as outer body experience which really isn't "out of body" (maybe for a later discussion)

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So, what do Immortals do all day and all night long? Considering there are 5 types of Immortals- there's a lot.



SonOfTheGods

What does the "perfected" Tan Tien "look like" to You? Is an Immortal- One, Total, Tan Tien?

The Epitome of the realised, actualised, Tan Tien?

The Personification of the developed Tan Tien? Not "FULLY" developed- NO SUCH THING Eternity means ALWAYS EVOLVING.

So there is NO FINAL STAGE You can NOT LIMIT: Evolution There is No Finalized, "godhood"

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It is INFINITE.


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Quantum Transference + SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 11:46, said: What does the "perfected" Tan Tien "look like" to You? = ?

Uroboros

Posted 19 April 2014 - 02:51 PM SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 11:46, said: What does the "perfected" Tan Tien "look like" to You? Is an Immortal- One, Total, Tan Tien?


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So there is NO FINAL STAGE You can NOT LIMIT: Evolution There is No Finalized, "godhood" It is INFINITE.

I do enjoy this idea....that life is always evolving and so we can as well... Until it all ends, if it does. It just opens up so many possibilities for life. Why limit what we are/ can be?


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 11:51, said: + = ?

To me, it would become the whole body and beyond. The whole body would be a single, unified TanTien.

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Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:51, said: I do enjoy this idea....that life is always evolving and so we can as well... Until it all ends, if it does. It just opens up so many possibilities for life. Why limit what we are/ can be?

Indeed One of the BIGGEST Limiters is RELIGION Enlightenment has no room for external worship and degrading oneself to be FILTHY RAGS and in need of a saviour or redeemer

Quote Isaiah 64:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

GOD IS INSIDE NOT OUTSIDE!

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SonOfTheGods Maybe, think this way: Imagine, if you can- hypothetically:

A perfected 72nd level JohnChang style LDT Once you can "visualise" this- you have just made an etheric connection with such a vessel a conduit of LUX has connected you to it. "Nexus-Praxis" -accomplished! so, now what? Quantum Transference Of course I am being Vague, because: Now that I am aware this Forum will have an Expiration date: I must keep the catalyst (how to engage/put into affect) "quarantined"Eventually you and I can discuss this off the forum

SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 00:36, said: Max Christenson of Kunlun said he didn't rip off Kunlun from Jenny Lamb but a female in a cave was visited by a spirit and gave her the potent instruction Wang Liping speaks of interaction with the spirit world-

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Opening the Dragon Gate tells the story of 3 Daoist Wizards There was a lot of Opium going around in the ancient days (still is)- and hallucinations/Visions, like DMT- have MUCH to share. Shamans do this all the time You can go to sleep and dream - and awaken to find the answer to your questions same as outer body experience which really isn't "out of body" (maybe for a later discussion) So, what do Immortals do all day and all night long? Considering there are 5 types of Immortals- there's a lot.


SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 11:46, said: What does the "perfected" Tan Tien "look like" to You? Is an Immortal- One, Total, Tan Tien?


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The Personification of the developed Tan Tien? Not "FULLY" developed- NO SUCH THING Eternity means ALWAYS EVOLVING.

So there is NO FINAL STAGE You can NOT LIMIT: Evolution There is No Finalized, "godhood" It is INFINITE.

Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 14:51, said: To me, it would become the whole body and beyond. The whole body would be a single, unified TanTien.


theurgy

I'm reminded of the many passages in the Corpus Hermeticum where Hermes is instructed to imagine himself as containing All things and encompaassing all space. "To know God you must become equal to God" Question for consideration and discussion: why does the physical body appear to age at an ordinary rate in beings who have attained

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the body of light/rainbow body? Haven't been able to wrap my head around that one... Posted 19 April 2014 - 05:04 PM

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theurgy, on 19 Apr 2014 - 16:58, said: I'm reminded of the many passages in the Corpus Hermeticum where Hermes is instructed to imagine himself as containing All things and encompaassing all space. "To know God you must become equal to God" Question for consideration and discussion: why does the physical body appear to age at an ordinary rate in beings who have attained the body of light/rainbow body? Haven't been able to wrap my head around that one...

Ohh, that is an excellent question! I have pondered that for quite a few years, now...Since I have not experienced deep enough states/stages, I can only guess.... Maybe it is that they have not completely, truly, transformed their being?


SonOfTheGods

theurgy, on 19 Apr 2014 - 16:58, said: I'm reminded of the many passages in the Corpus Hermeticum where Hermes is instructed to imagine himself as containing All things and encompaassing all space. "To know God you must become equal to God" Question for consideration and discussion: why does the

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physical body appear to age at an ordinary rate in beings who have attained the body of light/rainbow body? Haven't been able to wrap my head around that one... Well, for starters, maybe they didn't mail in their $999.99 Rainbow Rebate Offer? or, ummm, maybe they left out one of the Primary colours from their Photoshop rainbow body?

Most likely, though, as I suspect the 3 of us, here at the moment all know, such attributes are most likely metaphors Diamond body- Diamonds are junk coal- that after much (long-time) surrounding pressure- they transmutate into the Messiah of Coal, i.e, Diamonds Light Body- Rainbow Body- samething- rainbow is refracted "bent"light/LUX


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theurgy, on 19 Apr 2014 - 16:58, said: I'm reminded of the many passages in the Corpus Hermeticum where Hermes is instructed to imagine himself as containing All things and encompaassing all space. "To know God you must become equal to God"

That is also a good one, in itself.

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SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 17:15, said: Well, for starters, maybe they didn't mail in their $999.99 Rainbow Rebate Offer? or, ummm, maybe they left out one of the Primary colours from their Photoshop rainbow body?

Most likely, though, as I suspect the 3 of us, here at the moment all know, such attributes are most likely metaphors Diamond body- Diamonds are junk coal- that after much (long-time) surrounding pressure- they transmutate into the Messiah of Coal, i.e, Diamonds Light Body- Rainbow Body- samething- rainbow is refracted "bent"light/LUX

Hmm....Similar process to bone breathing/ compression qigong. If our body is already a light body....then how do you even attain it?! Immortality..tricky business, yet probably quite simple.

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Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 17:19, said: Hmm....Similar process to bone breathing/ compression qigong. If our body is already a light body....then how do you even attain it?! Immortality..tricky business, yet probably quite simple. It is all theoretical dynamic, not static we are forever moving, not locked, nor forced- into one base structure here ya go- - next time, one of us meets an Immortal, we will just ask him/her/it they seem to be quite common, these days

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Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 17:23, said: It is all theoretical dynamic, not static we are forever moving, not locked, nor forced- into one base structure here ya go- - next time, one of us meets an Immortal, we will just ask him/her/it they seem to be quite common, these days

Hmm...possibly attempting to upgrade, so to speak, our light body, then infuse that into the slower aspects of our being... Yi guides the Qi...Guides being the key word. The Qi is like water, our awareness creates a channel/ pooling effect...gentle. Interesting. I would love to meet an immortal. Pretty rare, though. I need to make sure I have some good tea and food, though...Would be 4/30/2014 11:18 AM


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horrid to not be able to be right proper welcoming!


SonOfTheGods

Thus, it shifts to the gears of Quantum Entanglement. Start off from the TOP & work your way down Think transformers, step up in our case Step down from an Immortals reference point. Discussing all things Immortal takes us beyond that Quantum veil if Quantum String theory places at least 11 active dimensions, crossing the LDT threshold is not such a mystery. How the catalyst makes it happen is the variable, not discussing if this is feasibly possible. SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 15:20, said: Maybe, think this way: Imagine, if you can- hypothetically: A perfected 72nd level JohnChang style LDT Once you can "visualise" this- you have just made an etheric connection with such a vessel a conduit of LUX has connected you to it. "Nexus-Praxis" -accomplished!

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so, now what? Quantum Transference Of course I am being Vague, because: Now that I am aware this Forum will have an Expiration date: I must keep the catalyst (how to engage/put into affect) "quarantined"Eventually you and I can discuss this off the forum


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 19 Apr 2014 - 19:17, said: Thus, it shifts to the gears of Quantum Entanglement. Start off from the TOP & work your way down Think transformers, step up in our case Step down from an Immortals reference point. Discussing all things Immortal takes us beyond that Quantum veil if Quantum String theory places at least 11 active dimensions,

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crossing the LDT threshold is not such a mystery. How the catalyst makes it happen is the variable, not discussing if this is feasibly possible.

Hmm...What is the catalyst and how do you even start to utilize it?!


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 19 Apr 2014 - 19:22, said: Hmm...What is the catalyst and how do you even start to utilize it?! That's what I will share with you in the Email you sent me, when I reply


tendou Where do HIgher Self fit in?


SonOfTheGods

tendou, on 19 Apr 2014 - 22:51, said: Where do HIgher Self fit in? time is not linear it goes forward backward and swings side to side we are multifacted beings occupying many nonlinear dimensions and hyper-spatial fabrics simutaneously

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so higher self(s) is a single drop of discarnate consciousness from a varying point of view


theurgy

Not being all that well versed in Daoism, I wonder if there is a Daoist version of something like say The Abramelin Operation which is designed to contact one's "Higher Self" of Holy Guardian Angel? As you well know, magicians are instructed to make this their first priority on the Path before all else. Seems to me on TTB, the concept of connecting to one's Higher self is not talked about nearly enough. How can one proceed very far without grasping this important concept? Or perhaps with rigorous cultivation one ends up making the necessary contact anyway. What say you on this?


SonOfTheGods

theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 14:15, said: Not being all that well versed in Daoism, I wonder if there is a Daoist version of something like say The Abramelin Operation which is designed to contact one's "Higher Self" of Holy Guardian Angel? As you well know, magicians are instructed to make this their

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first priority on the Path before all else. Seems to me on TTB, the concept of connecting to one's Higher self is not talked about nearly enough. How can one proceed very far without grasping this important concept? Or perhaps with rigorous cultivation one ends up making the necessary contact anyway. What say you on this?

In western magick we have low and high magick low being money health love etc high being for enlightenment Holy Guardian Angel is basically not so much the Higher Self, but more so the yellow brick road, itself. Daoism is a religion- the way, ziran, tianran, etc I'm not much into Daoism, just because it is another religion. a side from that- to me, Cultivation is the path of godhood My holy guardian angel told me so

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... Quote Holy Guardian Angel is basically not so much the Higher Self, but more so the yellow brick road, itself.

Nice one man. My head's full of stuffin'. ...


tendou What is yellow brick road?

And, where does the One Above it All, or usually called GOD reside in all this?


SonOfTheGods

tendou, on 21 Apr 2014 - 21:03, said: What is yellow brick road? And, where does the One Above it All, or usually called GOD reside in all this?

yellow brick road = play on words from the movie "Wizard of Oz" The universal consciousness permeates all fabrics of time, space, quantum veils, and small bunny rabbits

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I call it Primordial Awareness Impersonal, aloof, distracted Allowing us to learn/earn our own lessons, without holding our hand G.enerate O.rganize D.estroy IMO/IME


theurgy

SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 17:42, said: Holy Guardian Angel is basically not so much the Higher Self, but more so the yellow brick road, itself. Daoism is a religion- the way, ziran, tianran, etc I'm not much into Daoism, just because it is another religion. a side from that- to me, Cultivation is the path of godhood My holy guardian angel told me so

This is an interesting concept--are you familiar with Dzogchen? If so, are you describing the Primordial State?

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If you would, without revealing too much, did you use the Abramelin method to attain knowledge and conversation or another method? It seems to me the path of devotion to a deity (Bhakti yoga) and then merging with it and constantly identifying oneself with it is a way of providing the Body of Light with a container to wrap itself in. Eventually one will transcend even this but in my view, the deity functions as "training wheels." This is a point that gets lost in hermetic circles but there are a few teachers expounding this very point. So let us say that we are approached by a complete novice who is not sensitive to energy at all. What practices in your opinion would be best to recommend them in the beginning towards the goal of Godhood?


tendou

SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 21:12, said: yellow brick road = play on words from the movie "Wizard of Oz" The universal consciousness permeates all fabrics of time, space, quantum veils, and small bunny rabbits

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I call it Primordial Awareness Impersonal, aloof, distracted Allowing us to learn/earn our own lessons, without holding our hand G.enerate O.rganize D.estroy IMO/IME

Then, Primordial Awareness=Yellow Brick Road=GOD Then I think it is Nearly the same thing.


tendou

Quantum Transference and Transmission. Seems like similar but different thing. Only Quantum Transference is initiated by onself while transmission is initiated by others. If that is so, then theoretically we can do Quantum Transference from Primordial Awareness itself. Getting Transmission even from GOD/The Source/TAO itself. The purest source of Energy untainted by any being?

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Or Am I not making any sense? Haha.

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Getting Transmission even from GOD/The Source/TAO itself. The purest source of Energy untainted by any being?

Is that not the direct Zen Transmission? Colours From Space (Golden & Silver) (http://halcyonhierophant.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/34-colourfrom-space.html)

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 07:39 AM theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 14:15, said: As you well know, magicians are instructed to make this their first priority on the Path before all else. came before there was even such thing as a priority list

(from

another time in life...there have been many...that no matter how bad "everything" was, there was this brilliant shining silver lining that made any size shit-bog an acceptable traverse...in retrospect, because shit-bogs are never fun while traversing...)

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theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 22:12, said: This is an interesting concept--are you familiar with Dzogchen? If so, are you describing the Primordial State?

I can easily align with the Bon, and their concept of the transcendence. The thing I am against though is the doctrine they have, which is limiting to me. Once a group says "like this"- it is no longer, "like that"

theurgy, on 21 Apr 2014 - 22:12, said: If you would, without revealing too much, did you use the Abramelin method to attain knowledge and conversation or another method? It seems to me the path of devotion to a deity (Bhakti yoga) and then merging with it and constantly identifying oneself with it is a way of providing the Body of Light with a container to wrap itself in. Eventually

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one will transcend even this but in my view, the deity functions as "training wheels." This is a point that gets lost in hermetic circles but there are a few teachers expounding this very point. So let us say that we are approached by a complete novice who is not sensitive to energy at all. What practices in your opinion would be best to recommend them in the beginning towards the goal of Godhood?

I did the Abramelin trip. 6 Months, IMO -is total BS Took years of isolation, without having a "9 year old boy" There is so much allegory in this, it makes a seeker's head swim with fragments of cerebral jello Abramelin, took me to: general Grimoire magick- Solomonic Howlings ATR Vodoun Shinto QaBaLa Then: Khemetic

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Canaanite Babylonian Sumerian Enochian Necronomicon Not in a linear path- many U-Turns,. over laps, DEAD ENDS(deliberate side tracks built in EVERY SYSTEM) etc The Egyptian Book of the Dead- is NOT for funeral. It is a Body Of Light mapping- where to go Like Tibetian Book of the Dead- it is a travel guide, as Leary confirmed with his LSD/Tibetian trip In ALL my Magicks- I would RESIST & FORBID ever assuming Worship, rather., I usurped all deity(Die-ty) authority-I took the GODFORM and became god and jurisdiction over heavenly abodes and realms The first rule of GodHood is: BECOME A GOD Real Magick = I AM GOD HERE!


SonOfTheGods

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energy at all. What practices in your opinion would be best to recommend them in the beginning towards the goal of Godhood?

Clearest easist path to godhood: Cultivate Quantum LDT (I was going to make a thread on that) Trample on all doctrine of man made religions Explore realms and take them! Chi-Naut


SonOfTheGods

tendou, on 21 Apr 2014 - 22:31, said: Quantum Transference and Transmission. Seems like similar but different thing. Only Quantum Transference is initiated by onself while transmission is initiated by others. If that is so, then theoretically we can do Quantum Transference from Primordial Awareness itself. Getting Transmission even from GOD/The Source/TAO itself. The purest source of Energy untainted by any being? Or Am I not making any sense? Haha.

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YES! THAT! PERFECTED!

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Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:10, said: Clearest easist path to godhood: Cultivate Quantum LDT (I was going to make a thread on that) Trample on all doctrine of man made religions Explore realms and take them! Chi-Naut


YES! THAT! PERFECTED!

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SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:07, said: I did the Abramelin trip. 6 Months, IMO -is total BS Took years of isolation, without having a "9 year old boy" There is so much allegory in this, it makes a seeker's head swim with fragments of cerebral jello Abramelin, took me to: general Grimoire magick- Solomonic Howlings ATR Vodoun Shinto QaBaLa Then: Khemetic Canaanite Babylonian Sumerian Enochian Necronomicon

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Not in a linear path- many U-Turns,. over laps, DEAD ENDS(deliberate side tracks built in EVERY SYSTEM) etc The Egyptian Book of the Dead- is NOT for funeral. It is a Body Of Light mapping- where to go Like Tibetian Book of the Dead- it is a travel guide, as Leary confirmed with his LSD/Tibetian trip In ALL my Magicks- I would RESIST & FORBID ever assuming Worship, rather., I usurped all deity(Die-ty) authority-I took the GODFORM and became god and jurisdiction over heavenly abodes and realms The first rule of GodHood is: BECOME A GOD Real Magick = I AM GOD HERE!

GREAT post! The newest translation of the Abramelin (George Dehn) has a 2 year operation. I've seen some study guides that stretch it out over 5 or more years so I agree 6 months is BS. Yet so many magicians proclaim to have attained it in 6 months or LESS using the incorrectly translated Mathers edition. As the alchemist Frater Albertus used to say"the longer, the slower, the better." Given your vast experience it's good to hear your perspective. Have you thought about synthesizing your experiences into your

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own unique system, i.e. writing books, etc.? The magical community needs more materials from genuine teachers imo.


theurgy

SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:10, said: Clearest easist path to godhood: Cultivate Quantum LDT (I was going to make a thread on that)

I think everybody reading this thread would be eager to read that. I humbly cast my vote in favour of a Quantum LDT thread.


BaguaKicksAss

theurgy, on 22 Apr 2014 - 12:52, said: GREAT post! The newest translation of the Abramelin (George Dehn) has a 2 year operation. I've seen some study guides that stretch it out over 5 or more years so I agree 6 months is BS. Yet so many magicians proclaim to have attained it in 6 months or LESS using the incorrectly translated Mathers edition. As the alchemist Frater Albertus used to say"the longer, the slower, the better." Given your vast experience it's good to hear your perspective. Have you thought about synthesizing your experiences into your own unique system, i.e. writing books, etc.? The magical community needs more materials from genuine teachers imo.

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It can be attained in 6 months just fine, if one devotes their entire life to it during that time. It is just more difficult because you get 2 years of work crammed into 6 months, 1/4 the time. I would personally not go with the 5 years; to much chance of going astray. PS an awesome yahoo group about the Abramelin operation, even with a few folks on there who have done the working https://groups.yahoo.../abramelin/info (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/abramelin/info)


BaguaKicksAss

SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:07, said: I can easily align with the Bon, and their concept of the transcendence. The thing I am against though is the doctrine they have, which is limiting to me. Once a group says "like this"- it is no longer, "like that"

I did the Abramelin trip. 6 Months, IMO -is total BS Took years of isolation, without having a "9 year old boy" There is so much allegory in this, it makes a seeker's head swim with fragments of cerebral jello

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Abramelin, took me to: general Grimoire magick- Solomonic Howlings ATR Vodoun Shinto QaBaLa Then: Khemetic Canaanite Babylonian Sumerian Enochian Necronomicon Not in a linear path- many U-Turns,. over laps, DEAD ENDS(deliberate side tracks built in EVERY SYSTEM) etc The Egyptian Book of the Dead- is NOT for funeral. It is a Body Of Light mapping- where to go Like Tibetian Book of the Dead- it is a travel guide, as Leary confirmed with his LSD/Tibetian trip In ALL my Magicks- I would RESIST & FORBID ever assuming Worship, rather., I usurped all deity(Die-ty) authority-I took the GODFORM and became god and jurisdiction over heavenly abodes and realms

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The first rule of GodHood is: BECOME A GOD Real Magick = I AM GOD HERE!

Knowing someone who performed the 6 month version and had some amazing results from it, then 5 years later did the 18 month version to contrast and compare (and as a good excuse to up the amount of spiritual work per day, I would say 6 moths is definitely viable, as long as one focuses on it solely.


BaguaKicksAss

SonOfTheGods, on 21 Apr 2014 - 17:42, said: In western magick we have low and high magick low being money health love etc high being for enlightenment Holy Guardian Angel is basically not so much the Higher Self, but more so the yellow brick road, itself. Daoism is a religion- the way, ziran, tianran, etc I'm not much into Daoism, just because it is another religion. a side from that- to me, Cultivation is the path of godhood

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My holy guardian angel told me so

I love the "low" magic aspects of the German version

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I think the Daoist version, more cuts out the middleman! Though the qigong and neigong aspects have it covered imo, more as a side affect than aiming for it.


joeblast

curious of the usage of 'quantum' here. imho all qi and awareness are quantum mechanically based phenomenon, ergo with regard to the mind's interactions with physical things and qi things, a question of order and how the mind perceives it arises in the context of combining the amplitudes.

if we have two amplitudes a=3 and b=4, just keeping it simple to display the concept, -if the events happen in sequence, multiply the amplitudes: 3x4=12 When practicing, events not in coherence will have the lesser outcome...this is the stage of working on the timing...

-if the events are in coherence but can be distinguished, square the multiples then add: 9+16=25 In refining, one finds coherence yet events are at least partly still of the mind and thus distinguishable...this is the stage of building habit-energy, one becomes familiar with having timed everything,

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now comes execution and familiarity...

-if the events cannot be distinguished, add before absolute squaring - |3+4=7|, ^2=49 Practice until the foreground fades away, background becomes the foreground - and certain events within will start to become indistinguishable, producing the most efficacious result....this is the stage of the habit-energy actually having inertia to it and the body-mind has gotten out of the way so to speak, the practitioner has spent enough time embedding protocols onto the various parts of the brain (and reinforces them regularly)... So there is quantum mathematical equation-basis to relate stages of practice to the effect it has on how the energy combines and manifests for the practitioner.


SonOfTheGods

theurgy, on 22 Apr 2014 - 12:52, said: GREAT post! The newest translation of the Abramelin (George Dehn) has a 2 year operation. I've seen some study guides that stretch it out over 5 or more years so I agree 6 months is BS. Yet so many magicians proclaim to have attained it in 6 months or LESS using the incorrectly translated Mathers edition. As the alchemist Frater Albertus used to say"the longer, the slower, the better." Given your vast experience it's good to hear your perspective. Have you thought about synthesizing your experiences into your own unique system, i.e. writing books, etc.? The magical community needs more materials from genuine teachers imo.

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Thanks man Maybe we can pack all the best info from these threads and put it in a PDF all our stuff in one huge volume


theurgy

This is a great idea. I think there'd be a lot of interest in this, imo.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 22 Apr 2014 - 18:12, said: Thanks man Maybe we can pack all the best info from these threads and put it in a PDF all our stuff in one huge volume

I am definitely interested in reading something like that. Always great to hear from current practitioners and learn from them.

Uroboros

Posted 22 April 2014 - 11:54 PM theurgy, on 22 Apr 2014 - 12:55, said:

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I think everybody reading this thread would be eager to read that. I humbly cast my vote in favour of a Quantum LDT thread.

I concur! Let us cast our votes and bring this into fruition!


tendou

Uroboros, on 22 Apr 2014 - 23:54, said: I concur! Let us cast our votes and bring this into fruition! My vote on this too!


Captain Mar-Vell ... Quote All our stuff in one huge volume.

That's right! xxx ...

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I always have highweirdness going on with our temple lol I will post a new thread on this NeiGong Meets Magick Maybe called it McGong would like an order of tantien with that?

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joeblast, on 22 Apr 2014 - 15:18, said: Practice until the foreground fades away, background becomes the foreground - and certain events within will start to become indistinguishable, producing the most efficacious result....

maybe take past and future events and sway them on parallel concurrent timelines we do have dual amygdala


SonOfTheGods

theurgy, on 22 Apr 2014 - 12:52, said: Given your vast experience it's good to hear your perspective. Have you thought about synthesizing your experiences into your own unique system, i.e. writing books, etc.? The magical community needs more materials from genuine teachers imo.

yesterday I did a rite- leftover from Ishtar Sun Day I was telling Uroboros in Email I fried my damn computer drive again magnetics EMI meh

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so I'm back logged on here -but been answering briefly

But, I don't write books etc because I want to stay anonymous That's why when I made that video and uploaded it, I kept my face covered I'm not looking for fame or fortune I'm just a simple guy, learning, and teaching what I know If I made some videos, doing "stuff" I'd have people wanting me to teach them- I can almost guarantee that I already have this problem in my training camp

Just isn't my style I rather lurk in the shadows

maybe one of you guys will notice an upspring, suddenly in your training/cultivation

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theurgy

SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:00, said: Just isn't my style I rather lurk in the shadows

maybe one of you guys will notice an upspring, suddenly in your training/cultivation


I can appreciate that. I know of one Teacher who used to be in the public eye and then one day he announced "I'm not writing/teaching anymore" and hasn't been seen or heard from since. In the Hermetic tradition, teachers would remain anonymous by attributing their teachings to Thoth or Hermes Trismegistus. I rather like this concept. It keeps things pure.

BaguaKicksAss

Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:47 AM Many of the well known authors have ghost writers anyways

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BaguaKicksAss, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:47, said: Many of the well known authors have ghost writers anyways

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True story. More common than many would like to believe


joeblast

that's because writing a book is a seriously big challenge, if you want to be comprehensive. if I wanted to gear stuff towards being *so direct and to the point*....well, I would have been done by now, but the audience probably would have shrunk by 90%. instead I listened to all kinds of people's advice to make it as accessible as possible, and the quicksand consumed the project.


tendou

SOTG, care to tell us what is the sudden uprising? Right now I just stop any cultivation. Just resting and will start again soon.

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tendou, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:53, said: SOTG, care to tell us what is the sudden uprising? Right now I just stop any cultivation. Just resting and will start again soon.

For the past week I have been making great progress, able to train with more consistency and length then I have been able to in awhile! Other then new things being shown to me in my body and subtle changes.


joeblast

Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:56, said: For the past week I have been making great progress, able to train with more consistency and length then I have been able to in awhile! Other then new things being shown to me in my body and subtle changes. Every so often I return to rote-ness. Using force of intention to MAKE the freakin structures move as they are supposed to, doesnt matter how much force of intention you need, doesnt matter how contrived it feels. After 10-15 minutes of that, I no longer need to use much intention, body feels big as a mountain, hands feel like catchers mitts, each finger feels like its the size of an entire beef tenderloin, the light of awareness shining at the center....well hey, last night the whole centerline just about, from lower dt to upper

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dt, shiny happy taiji pole


Sometimes that's necessary to train

the structures. I did a TON of it when getting to those minute+ breaths. Relax, yadda yadda...whatever, after having done analysis of mechanics, I know how the parts should move, I know the feeling of the parts moving correctly, even though sometimes its all too easy to get used to the sinus-air-buffer that makes for a lazy diaphragm. Put the entire onus of breath movement on the diaphragm and support it with the other structures, anything that doesnt need to support it forget that signal exists.

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SonOfTheGods

tendou, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:53, said: SOTG, care to tell us what is the sudden uprising? Tendou, here is your answer: Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:56, said: For the past week I have been making great progress, able to train with more consistency and length then I have been able to in awhile!


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 10:36, said: Tendou, here is your answer:

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! AHHHHH!!!

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SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:21, said: GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! AHHHHH!!! Eh, helpful help is helpful. It aint malevolent, thats for sure!


Uroboros


Exactly. My feelings exactly.

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Yin Field - What, Why & How: Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 17 2014 06:39 PM Yin,

Yin out of the body,


SonOfTheGods

Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:38, said: If our legs are our root, what comes up that is so damn vital, if its not Yin Field? If the Yin Field is moved into action by Yang Field, would the Yin Field be coming from up and down? What is the Yang Field that instigates action within the Yin?

Yin is always with Yang The body doesn't compartmentalize Yin only Yang/sky mixed with yin Yin/ground mixed with some yang If there's Yang around, it has Yin chasing it

If you have a magnet- it has positive & negative poles

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It can't be a magnet and have only 2 positive poles or 2 negative only poles it wouldn't be a magnet- unless it is a "magnetic monopole" LOL A magnetic monopole is a hypothetical elementary particle in particle physics that is an isolated magnet with only one magnetic pole (a north pole without a south pole or vice-versa). It is impossible to make magnetic monopoles from a bar magnet. If a bar magnet is cut in half, it is not the case that one half has the north pole and the other half has the south pole. Instead, each piece has its own north and south poles. A magnetic monopole cannot be created from normal matter such as atoms and electrons, but would instead be a new elementary particle.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 17 Apr 2014 - 18:39, said: Yin out of the body (coming soon)

I would like to know more about Yin within the body, not just outside. If you could absorb the external, to strengthen the internal....Oh, who am I kiddin? The internal is the external! hahaha

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Dichotomies of Yin 2 opposing schools of thought:

1- when you practice you must be outside, perineum touching ground no artificial, inorganic insulation in between you may use an indoor grounding mat/wire this was discussed previously on another thread 2- the other school of thought is to insulate one self from leaking dispersing Qi, involuntarily Use a rubber mat, etc- to keep from/off the absorbing Earth


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SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 20:46, said: Dichotomies of Yin 2 opposing schools of thought:

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you may use an indoor grounding mat/wire this was discussed previously on another thread 2- the other school of thought is to insulate one self from leaking dispersing Qi, involuntarily Use a rubber mat, etc- to keep from/off the absorbing Earth Both schools of thoughts have positive and negative traits -conflicting ?


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I've usually seen it in the context of the nature of the practice, firey stuff the former, watery downward the latter.


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SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 20:46, said: Dichotomies of Yin 2 opposing schools of thought:

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this was discussed previously on another thread 2- the other school of thought is to insulate one self from leaking dispersing Qi, involuntarily Use a rubber mat, etc- to keep from/off the absorbing Earth

According to the first type of school, A building, slab of concrete and cement is artificial and inorganic insulation?


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tendou, on 25 Apr 2014 - 10:55, said: According to the first type of school, A building, slab of concrete and cement is artificial and inorganic insulation? No, but then it is usually covered with insulation for warmth, mold etc that's the inorganic part


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If we don't have those inorganic parts, would a building that is supported by pillar, or 2nd floor be considered continuous with the earth or one with the earth to a certain extent?


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http://thetaobums.co...ue/#entry532133 (http://thetaobums.com /topic/34121-very-powerful-energy-generatingactivatingtechnique/#entry532133)

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SonOfTheGods, on 18 Mar 2014 - 11:29, said:

Laogong points on bottom of feet- and heel meridians. Going up and down off the ground creates a magnetic yin pulseespecially if your toes are coming into contact with the ground first. (Think Kunlun). Perineum moving up and down. Flexing of pelvis/cocyxx/sacral/mingmen. The laogong points in your hands, plus the wrist daling points being turned per the rope jumping activate the niwan point in your head. Then it reverses- like Tai Chi: Bai Hui - Niwan - Daling - LDT Bubbling Springs Deep quick breathing from jumping rope is activating the fire yang breathe, as your mind focuses on the event.

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SonOfTheGods, on 24 Mar 2014 - 11:37, said: If you want, take it one step further: When you jump rope- center your focus on your lower tan tien. Then inhale as you jump off the ground- focus the energy upwards out to the niwan and crown area- all the way into the sky. As you about to land, compress your perineum, then exhale as your feet touch the ground, penetrating your consciousness

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deep down into the Earth. A few repititions of that, and...

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SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 13:24, said: Crown/Baihui is yang Niwan is magnetic, and grounded to Earth Energy connects ---> qihai // dantian etc In Kunlun, the energy coming down feels cool and magneticeven though it would appear to new comers, that the energy should seem to be yang and warm, as it ''Feels'' as though it is coming down from "the sky" http://thetaobums.co...va/#entry515822 (http://thetaobums.com /topic/33395-the-lower-tan-tien-is-similar-to-a-blackholesupernova/#entry515822) _________ The Lower Tan Tien Is "Similar" To A SuperNova:

Can't "Fill" a Black Hole

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It can be "fed" though.

The lower Tan Tien, as a Vacuum, sucking and pulling in through the crown, and 4 limbs/pore breathe, etc.

As it grows and condenses/collapses upon itself- it produces/circulates energy MCO, etc ____________

SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 14:34, said: When the Qi hai is full, like a large sphere, it makes contact with back & front & huiyin on the bottom. It begins the upward circulation from the Wei Lu/tail bone. Like the images I just posted http://thetaobums.co...e-2#entry515854 (http://thetaobums.com /topic/33395-the-lower-tan-tien-is-similar-to-a-blackholesupernova/page-2#entry515854)


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module=forums§ion=findpost&pid=515822) Crown/Baihui is yang Niwan is magnetic, and grounded to Earth Energy connects ---> qihai // dantian etc

Quote In Kunlun, the energy coming down feels cool and magneticeven though it would appear to new comers, that the energy should seem to be yang and warm, as it ''Feels'' as though it is coming down from "the sky"

Yin- Example/Briefly: Much inter-action/re-action of running water/ streams etc that produce negative ionization this is constantly evaporating-=- filling the air/clouds/plants, etc, -breathing/exhaling trading off with organisms Yin does not just stay "stuck" in the ground Yin is in "outer space" - magnetic ionosphere Magnetic flux "ropes" tethering from the Sun Ionosphere is a region of the upper atmosphere, includes the

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Thermo-sphere and parts of the Meso-sphere and Exo-sphere. It is distinguished because it is Ionized by solar radiation. It also plays an important part in atmospheric electricity and forms the inner edge of the magnetosphere.


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tendou, on 25 Apr 2014 - 11:08, said: If we don't have those inorganic parts, would a building that is supported by pillar, or 2nd floor be considered continuous with the earth or one with the earth to a certain extent? To give you a proper answer, I'd have to check it out photo maybe If the pillar is steel and penetrates the ground, maybe tie a wire around it and the other end put a sheet of copper, steel etc to sit and stand on for standing practice _________ school #2: Or sit on a rubber mat and insulate yourself & utilize energies coming down and see how that works for you

Quote Niwan is magnetic, and grounded to Earth Energy connects ---> qihai // dantian etc

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Getting Yin out of your body to do fun tricks If someone performs successful Telekinesis, not stage magic- did their Yin pop out of their body? Poltergeist phenomenon happens around children at puberty age.

PSI runs rampant and emotional "Tweens" can cause Poltergeist out breaks Did their Yin leave their body? Is a "yin-field" necessary per this scenario? Can you use a machine that produces negative ions? Piezoelectric &/or oscillators- square waves//sine wavequartz crystals (sometimes in conjunction with gold foil)


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SonOfTheGods, on 25 Apr 2014 - 11:46, said: Yin- Example/Briefly: Much inter-action/re-action of running water/ streams etc that

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produce negative ionization this is constantly evaporating-=- filling the air/clouds/plants, etc, -breathing/exhaling trading off with organisms Yin does not just stay "stuck" in the ground Yin is in "outer space" - magnetic ionosphere Magnetic flux "ropes" tethering from the Sun Ionosphere is a region of the upper atmosphere, includes the Thermo-sphere and parts of the Meso-sphere and Exo-sphere. It is distinguished because it is Ionized by solar radiation. It also plays an important part in atmospheric electricity and forms the inner edge of the magnetosphere.

If our legs are our root, what comes up that is so damn vital, if its not Yin Field? If the Yin Field is moved into action by Yang Field, would the Yin Field be coming from up and down? What is the Yang Field that instigates action within the Yin?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:48 PM Uroboros, on 25 Apr 2014 - 18:38, said: If our legs are our root, what comes up that is so damn vital, if

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its not Yin Field? If the Yin Field is moved into action by Yang Field, would the Yin Field be coming from up and down? What is the Yang Field that instigates action within the Yin?


If you have a magnet- it has positive & negative poles It can't be a magnet and have only 2 positive poles or 2 negative only poles it wouldn't be a magnet- unless it is a "magnetic monopole" LOL A magnetic monopole is a hypothetical elementary particle in particle physics that is an isolated magnet with only one magnetic pole (a north pole without a south pole or vice-versa). It is impossible to make magnetic monopoles from a bar magnet. If a bar magnet is cut in half, it is not the case that one half has the north pole and the other half has the south pole. Instead, each piece has its own north and south poles. A magnetic monopole

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cannot be created from normal matter such as atoms and electrons, but would instead be a new elementary particle.


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If you have a magnet- it has positive & negative poles It can't be a magnet and have only 2 positive poles or 2 negative only poles it wouldn't be a magnet- unless it is a "magnetic monopole" LOL A magnetic monopole is a hypothetical elementary particle in particle physics that is an isolated magnet with only one magnetic pole (a north pole without a south pole or vice-versa).

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It is impossible to make magnetic monopoles from a bar magnet. If a bar magnet is cut in half, it is not the case that one half has the north pole and the other half has the south pole. Instead, each piece has its own north and south poles. A magnetic monopole cannot be created from normal matter such as atoms and electrons, but would instead be a new elementary particle.

Is a part of fusion then, separating the Yin and Yang that is mixed together into their purer forms?


Captain Mar-Vell ... Quote Yang/sky mixed with yin

Yin/ground mixed with some yang If there's Yang around, it has Yin chasing it

If you have a magnet- it has positive & negative poles It can't be a magnet and have only 2 positive poles or 2 negative only poles it wouldn't be a magnet- unless it is a "magnetic monopole" LOL A magnetic monopole is a hypothetical elementary particle in

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particle physics that is an isolated magnet with only one magnetic pole (a north pole without a south pole or vice-versa). It is impossible to make magnetic monopoles from a bar magnet. If a bar magnet is cut in half, it is not the case that one half has the north pole and the other half has the south pole. Instead, each piece has its own north and south poles. A magnetic monopole cannot be created from normal matter such as atoms and electrons, but would instead be a new elementary particle.

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Yin Field - What, Why & How: Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 17 2014 06:39 PM Yin,

Yin out of the body,


Captain Mar-Vell ... I tink it is Yang chases Yin. NOT the udder way round. xxx. ...


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Captain Mar-Vell, on 26 Apr 2014 - 12:14, said: ... I think it is Yang chases Yin. NOT the udder way round. xxx. ... yin/female follows yang/male

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that's why religions are Patriarchal Eve From Adam Mythology explains it with personification


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SonOfTheGods, on 26 Apr 2014 - 12:18, said: yin/female follows yang/male that's why religions are Patriarchal Eve From Adam technically though- they both sort of follow each other one doesn't exist without the other not too far behind

Quote 'Yang cannot exist by itself; it can exist only when it is supported by yin. Hence yin is the foundation of yang. Similarly, yin cannot alone manifest itself; it can manifest itself only when accompanied by yang. Hence yang is the expression of yin. Yang controls the origination and enjoys the completion [of things] while yin follows the way [yang produces] and completes the work of yang. ~ Shao Yong, (1012-1077), Philosopher

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Yang controls the origination and enjoys the completion [of things] while yin follows the way [yang produces] and completes the work of yang.

Interesting. xxx. ...



AYE maintain that YANG! doth ever chase YIN!! I AM Herne the HUNTER!!!

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"How To Cut the LDT Cords" Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 11 2014 07:12 PM Page 1 of 3 Posted 11 April 2014 - 07:12 PM

SonOfTheGods

Many people were looking for this information. Here it is. I wrote this. This is mine.

This might seem easy, but it is not. This isn't imagination, or allegory. It is Real. However, if you have no real Qi build up in your Lower Tan Tien, it will only be imagination. But, if you have sufficient Yi & Yang built up- hold on!

Quote WARNING!

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USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! THIS IS ONLY FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES!

The Lower Tan Tien has 5 Nadis connecting it. Four Nadis connect to the Middle Tan Tien, from the: 1. Upper 2. Lower 3. & 4. Either Side 5. Back Separating 4 of the 5 Nadis The Qi IS Moved/Directed into the Taiji Pole via forcing through the Bandha/Block at the Perineum-Coccyx area. This is partially how Kundalini is activated. It is moved Up & Back around/reversed from the Mingmen and isolated to the Lower Tan Tien. This frees the Qi from the Jen Mo/Yi & the Tum Mo/Yang meridians. The Lower Tan Tien can then be moved DOWN voluntarily and independantly, like a small Pearl. At this stage, the Yi and Yang stored *will not follow each other*, but rather *flow against/repel each other, independantly & simutaneously* - as in the Taiji symbol.

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This will feel like Friction - Heat - Burning.


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http://thetaobums.co...igong/?p=538941 (http://thetaobums.com/topic/34411-neigong/?p=538941) 1. The jen mo channel rises from the perineum and goes up along the belly, passes through the navel, the pit of the stomach, the chest, throat and upper lip and ends below the eye; it connects twenty-seven psychic centres. The tu mo channel rises from the perineum and passes through the coccyx to go up the backbone to the crown and thence descends along the forehead and nose, ending in the gums; it connects thirty-one psychic centres

2. As contrasted with twenty-four organic channels according to ancient medical science.

3. Ch'ung mo, or the 'bursting' channel, rises from the perineum, goes up between jen mo and tu mo and ends in the chest; it connects

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twenty-four psychic centres.

4. Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt which circles the belly; it connects eight psychic centres

5. Yang ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole and turns along the outer side of the ankle and leg, then skirts the back of the body and reaches the shoulder, veering to the neck, the corner of the mouth and the inner comer of the eye, ending behind the brain; it connects twenty-two psychic centres.

6. Yin ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole, turns along the inner side of the ankle and leg, skirts the belly and chest, reaches the shoulder, turns up to the throat and ends in the inner corner of the eye; it connects eight psychic centres.

7. Yang wei rises from the outer side of the foot about one and half inches below the ankle, goes up the outer side of the leg and after skirting the back of the body, enters the upper arm, halfway along which it veers to the shoulder, the neck, and then

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behind the ear ending in the forehead ; it connects thirty-two psychic centres.

8. Yin wei rises from the inner side of the calf, about five inches above the ankle, goes up the inner side of the thigh, and after skirting the belly and half of the chest, turns to the throat, ascends along the face and ends in front of the top of the head; it connects fourteen psychic centres.


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WARNING! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! THIS IS ONLY FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES!

This is not really a big deal. The whole mystique surrounding it, made it a big deal. 99% of the people who cultivate will get no where with this. You have to possess extreme vibratory vital essence or things just won't come together for you. If you haven't practiced for at least a good solid 10 years- this will led you no where, and most likely frustrate you. Beware those who say "that is not it" - it is those who do not

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possess that vitality to perform it. They are chasing an elusive prize that doesn't exist. However, if you are at stage where you can perform this- you may have already discovered it on your own. I wouldn't be shocked


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The most difficult problem is relating to this in the terminology you are familiar with. Some will call the Taiji Pole the Sushumna or the Central Channel The Jen Mo the Conception Vessel or Ida nadi The Pingala or the Tum Mo or the Governor channel.


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SonOfTheGods, on 11 Apr 2014 - 21:19, said: The most difficult problem is relating to this in the terminology you are familiar with. Some will call the Taiji Pole the Sushumna or the Central Channel The Jen Mo the Conception Vessel or Ida nadi

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The Pingala or the Tum Mo or the Governor channel.

This is why I said it is not a good idea to mix and match traditions etc


Uroboros

How best, in your experience, would you cultivate the "real qi" needed to do anything like this? Peace


Andrei

Ida and Pingala are not the same as Jen Mo and Tu Mo. Ida and Pingala are left and right versus the central channel, while J en Mo and Tu Mo are front and back. They are different. Posted 12 April 2014 - 01:49 AM

tendou What benefit does cutting gives?

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Andrei, on 11 Apr 2014 - 21:51, said: Ida and Pingala are not the same as Jen Mo and Tu Mo. Ida and Pingala are left and right versus the central channel, while J en Mo and Tu Mo are front and back. They are different. According to you Ask 100 cultivators from mixed traditions and you will get many varied answers Making it too linear- as in "left" right" Most don't even believe a Tan Tien to be physical

Quote Within the spinal column, the manner in which the spinal nerves connect to the spinal cord creates four separate channels in which the cerebrospinal fluid can flow up and down the spinal column. One of these channels is on the front side of the column, one on the back side, one on the left side, and one on the right side. In esoteric traditions, there are two pairs of subtle energies which flow along the spinal column: the Ida and Pingala, and the Rajas and Tamas. In actuality, the Ida and Pingala currents flow within the cerebrospinal fluid channels on the front and back sides of the spinal column. These two currents link directly into the two primary acupuncture meridian on the front side and back side of the body, known as the Jen Mo

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and Tum Mo meridians. Through the acupuncture meridian system, the vital life energy is thus distributed throughout the entire body. The Rajas and Tamas currents flow within the channels on the two sides of the spinal column. The spinal nerves along the sides of the spinal column, and the primary cranial nerves, are surrounded by tubular "cuffs", which enable the cerebrospinal fluid to surround the nerves. This is particularly true of the sensory nerves. For example, the optic nerve is surrounded by such a cuff for its entire length, enabling the cerebrospinal fluid to flow to the eyeball itself. Thus it is evident that the Rajas and Tamas currents of vital energy are linked directly into the primary nervous system of the body. The brain is constructed with many "folds" in the exterior surface in such a way as to maximize the surface that is in contact with the cerebrospinal fluid. It seems evident that the brain is energized by the currents of energy flowing within the cerebrospinal fluid along the surface and within the ventricles of the brain.


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Uroboros, on 11 Apr 2014 - 21:49, said: How best, in your experience, would you cultivate the "real qi" needed to do anything like this? Peace Bone marrow breathing

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Vibration of pelvis You will know when the time is right


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tendou, on 12 Apr 2014 - 01:49, said: What benefit does cutting gives? Depends who you ask It will happen by itself over many many years of heavy duty practice There is no actual cutting. These are simple nadis that resemble very fine strands of energy As the LDT grows more potent from the vitality, it evolves and starts to move away from these "Cords/Energy Strands" Yi & Yang will seek to yoke- not bond- with each other Follow the leader- 1:1 ratio this is Nature at work this is Evolution at work this is Alchemy at work



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I got some emails asking me why I posted this information. For starters, this is my NeiGong Forum, and this subject is NeiGong. Plus it was my #2222 post and I wanted to commemorate it with something special. Two people on separate occassions asked me if I thought the cutting of cords was something that can be done by surgeons, with scalpels. Like Trepanning and also cutting the tissue under the tongue to allow it to stretch to the pineal gland. In my mind, someone will eventually get hurt when there are irresponsible people creating all sorts of crazy nonsense on other forums Avoid that stuff. And don't post it here lol microcosmique.jpg

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:22 AM Ida and pingala are called thrusting channel in TCM and they pass through the organs, on the left you have spleen and on the right you have liver - according to Mantak Chia. Sometimes in neidan they are called tiger and dragon because on left you have metal

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point and on right you have wood point. They say "dragon exits from the mountain cave, and tiger exits from the deep forest". If dragon and tiger meet, they fight each other but they should mate, which means these two energies have to be peaceful and balanced. When you have these two channels balanced you have a balance of Yin and Yang energy inside your body and you can build your dantien. If you build up only one of the energies you will end up with imba lances and Qi sickness. After you create the Qi pearl which should be balanced with both energies Yin Yang from all 5 organs, you circulate the pearl in the microcosmic orbit which are the other two channels, Governor and Conception, because you begin to concept the immortal embryo from the pearl. This process is called "nourishing and bathing" the baby embryo. After the baby grows, during 10 months of spiritual pregnancy, he exits from lower dantien and moves upward in middle dantien and from there up in upper dantien where is born in the spiritual world through baihui on top of your head. This is when you become spiritual immortal because you were born in he other world and became conscious of the other world. Even so the baby has to return inside the body because needs to grow as an adult for 9 years. That's why you have to meditate for 9 years facing the wall, to let the baby grow and develop, because the spiritual body can die if something wrong happens, and you have to do the whole process all over again. After you passed the 9 years which sometimes is called the dark night of the soul, you can go out and see the spiritual world because for now you are spiritual immortal, no more afraid of death. MERCELESS ONE


**watch the video then read the bottom** **watch the video then read the bottom**

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**watch the video then read the bottom** **watch the video then read the bottom** i chose this video for a reason!! the ppl in this video as you can see arent your typical fluid crisp moving taichi ppl. this is to show that you dont have to be the best to get started as long as you " GET STARTED "


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Watch this movie, especially when the detective is doing meditation:

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This should be a real eye opener! Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:57 AM

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MERCELESS ONE, on 12 Apr 2014 - 10:39, said: **watch the video then read the bottom** **watch the video then read the bottom**

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i chose this video for a reason!! the ppl in this video as you can see arent your typical fluid crisp moving taichi ppl. this is to show that you dont have to be the best to get started as long as you " GET STARTED "

i appologize this was sent out before i was finished. ok back to what i was saying, "AS LONG AS YOU GET STARTED" all things will come together in the end. such as- when you learn to acces your energy as you move i.e. shifting energy with leg movments and the basic fajin application with your taichi/bagua /xhing yi/or any other martial application that uses neikung is what starts to move and eventually break the dantien free from its mooring. this was my experience!! and dont be fooled neikung can be used with any martial system not just what weve come to be familiar with as internal martial arts... Page 1 of 3



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Uroboros, on 11 Apr 2014 - 21:49, said: How best, in your experience, would you cultivate the "real qi" needed to do anything like this? Peace all the breath mechanics I explain, all the timing and focus, diligent and sustained effort, streamlining of bodily processes. if you dont get the breath mechanics down then its going to be very hard to do this. if you dont spend enough time on it, it will be impossible. embryonic breathing conditions the guts and helps set up the timing that will produce a result at the lower dt. if you cant make it light up then you havent got the breath mechanics down, havent sufficiently settled the heartmind, havent put enough time into the technique. once you've done enough for a real, tangible potential to be seen/felt, you're starting to get somewhere. but, if you cannot manifest a state of utter and complete stillness, it will be like squeezing a sponge, plunging it into a bucket of

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water, and pulling it back out, without having relaxed the sponge so that it will absorb the water, it'll only absorb a tenth of what it could. the amplitude of the energy generated is a function of the depth of stillness you are able to attain. its why I go around here beating the fundamentals drum all the time. you dont get them down, forget about all this other crap.


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region was termed by Master Chongyang the "line of severance." When people who practice inner work without the guidance of an enlightened teacher easily produce distortion, it comes out in this line; when they get fired up and become demonic, that too comes out in this line. The line from the "point where all meet" on top of the head to the perineum is called the "line of reflection." When one begins to cultivate this, it is in front of the spinal column; then gradually it shifts to within the spinal column itself. The line of reflection also used to be called the "central vessel" in ancient times. Practitioners do inner gazing through it. It is sometimes hidden and sometimes manifest; for people whose inner power is pure and deep, it is manifest when in use and hidden when not in use. There are also two vessels on either side of the spinal column, referred to as the left and right vessels. The horizontal line through the three points known as the "heaven," the "eye," and the "opening" is in the head; this is called the "line of essence." The opening of the eye to heaven was originally called the heart of heaven, and also called the stem of heaven. When people are just born, there is a seam between the eyebrows; later on, as they grow up, only a single hole remains. This hole is different depending on the individual; some are long, some are short. The heavenly eye opening is properly called the opening of the eye to heaven. The "opening" is in front, the "eye" is in the middle, and "heaven" is in back. The "opening" can be treated

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with acupuncture, the "heaven" can reflect, the "eye" is the nirvana chamber. The end of the line of essence is the "jade pillow pass" at the back of the head. The line from the solar plexus to the midspine is called the "line of power" or the "line of strength." The line running back from the center of the umbilical area is called the "line of preserving life." To the left and right of this line are the kidneys; this is the region of the "gate of life" or "door of fate." From 1.2 to 1.5 inches below the navel, running inward toward the coccyx, a line can be drawn when practicing cultivation; this is called the "line of cultivating life." In each place where the line of essence, the line of strength, and the line of cultivating life pass through is an elixir field. These are the upper, middle, and lower elixir fields. The three lines go through the elixir fields, and the three lines face the three passes. When cultivating refinement, one draws out the three lines; when energy goes into motion, it easily breaks through the three passes. Among these lines, the two vertical lines are bright lines visible to inner gazing, while the four horizontal lines are hidden and yet actually existent routes. Besides these, there are two lines in space at the edge of the external universe.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:15 AM who here is feeling extreme heat or orgasmic-like feeling in the right laogong / daling points?

pulling on the right side of their LDT and a couple of inches up from that area- on the right side?

Uroboros

Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:37 AM SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:15, said: who here is feeling extreme heat or orgasmic-like feeling in the right laogong / daling points?

pulling on the right side of their LDT and a couple of inches up from that area- on the right side?

Not feeling any orgasmic heat on the laogong/ daling. The right and upper right quadrant of my LDT does feel like its being pulled to a point at the right in between my last rib and hip bone and at the same time, towards the upper right. My perinium / floor is full of orgasmic heat, though

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Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:37, said: The right and upper right quadrant of my LDT does feel like its being pulled to a point at the right in between my last rib and hip bone and at the same time, towards the upper right.

You should do the 5 elements meditation instead of MCO to balance the organs energy. This looks like the liver is overactive, which may be due to spring but also if too much heat gathers in the dantian will spread to the liver first.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:05 PM Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 11:37, said: Not feeling any orgasmic heat on the laogong/ daling. The right and upper right quadrant of my LDT does feel like its being pulled to a point at the right in between my last rib and hip bone and at the same time, towards the upper right. My perinium / floor is full of orgasmic heat, though The orgasmic feeling on the daling/ and right laogong point isn't

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heat. It starts as heat- them later on, it feels like a totally weird sensation. You'll know when it happens. Sounds like you are getting the lead up with the right quadrant Split it at the Qi belt should there be a problem Also if the problem gets out of control -strong Kriyas - I smacked myself in the face falling asleep no lie lol: Laogong point seems to sometimes ricochet off the Niwan, so send: the laogong stream to LDT to perineum to Bubbling Springs send it down deep like we discussed with the transmutation/sublimination

Uroboros

Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:39 PM Andrei, on 23 Apr 2014 - 16:31, said: You should do the 5 elements meditation instead of MCO to balance the organs energy. This looks like the liver is overactive, which may be due to spring but also if too much heat gathers in the dantian will spread to the liver first.

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What 5 Element meditation are you talking about, Andrei?


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SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:05, said: The orgasmic feeling on the daling/ and right laogong point isn't heat. It starts as heat- them later on, it feels like a totally weird sensation. You'll know when it happens. Sounds like you are getting the lead up with the right quadrant Split it at the Qi belt should there be a problem Also if the problem gets out of control -strong Kriyas - I smacked myself in the face falling asleep no lie lol: Laogong point seems to sometimes ricochet off the Niwan, so

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send: the laogong stream to LDT to perineum to Bubbling Springs send it down deep like we discussed with the transmutation/sublimination

Alright, I will let you know if I start to feel that sensation. What do you mean - getting the lead up with the right quadrant? I feel like you are giving me advice about something we have not talked about to this depth. Can you give me a bit of reference as to what your advice such assplit at the daimai- if it gets out of control strong kriyas, etc. Thanks, SOTG


Andrei

Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:39, said: What 5 Element meditation are you talking about, Andrei?

It's in the book I recomended. It is a basic technique of MantakChia school often disregarded. It is more important than MCO because it is supposed to be done before running MCO.

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That is why the energy you run through MCO should be balanced, not hot, not cold. Should be both at the same time. Should be a vibration which is the interaction between elements, between Kan & Li, between Tiger & Dragon It should be the Yin & Yang fused. Before running through MCO the elixir should be already fused, through 5 elements fusion. The basic technique of 5 elements fusion is "inner smile". Inner smile is the same as 5 elements is just making peace with the spirits in the organs and emphasizing on virtues of each organ. Before doing any neigong you should cultivate: kindness (liver), compassion (heart), openess (spleen), courage (lungs) and benevolence (kidneys). This is the first step in neigong. After you fuse the elements in dantian you should see a white light in upper dantian. After the white light becomes red-golden the elixir is supposed to be run in MCO. Because the golden elixir has all elements inside it fused together. Until you achieve this everything you do you exacerbate whatever you have inside.

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If you have anger you exacrebate anger. (liver) If you have fear you exacerbate fear. (kidney) If you have cowardice you exacerbate cowardice (lungs) If you have worries you exacerbate worries (spleen) If you have hatred you exacerbate hatred (heart) The energy is the same, but if it is imbalanced it creates more imbalances, especially when you push the pedal to the floor. Use the brakes but pedal brakes not engine brakes and be careful to the route signs and lights. When you see a red light you stop and wait until you get a green light, then you can go further.


tendou

I thought it is in the Wang Lipings book? Andrei, on 23 Apr 2014 - 19:39, said:

It's in the book I recomended.


Andrei

Yes it is, it is the first technique in the first chapter.


theurgy

Awesome post and for anyone doing Maoshan 5 elements practice, a handy reference as attuning to the virtues of each organ (seemingly the most important aspect of the practice) is (strangely absent) from the book.

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SonOfTheGods, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:05, said: Laogong point seems to sometimes ricochet off the Niwan, so send: the laogong stream to LDT to perineum to Bubbling Springs it suuure does


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Alright, I will let you know if I start to feel that sensation What do you mean - getting the lead up with the right quadrant?

"the flow" is going correctly, for this to begin eventually the LDT "appears?" to solidify- in the area around that right quadrant I have to "be careful" what I say and reveal on a Public Forum- but in Email we can discuss it. Also, my cell phone #, should emergencies arise- day or night I TAKE THIS STUFF SERIOUSLY


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I feel like you are giving me advice about something we have not talked about to this depth.

On another thread- we discussed should emergencies arise where energy gets out of hand, threatening, etc- always ground it efficiently- Bubbling Springs down 6 feet of earth


Can you give me a bit of reference as to what your advice such assplit at the daimai- if it gets out of control strong kriyas, etc. Thanks, SOTG


SonOfTheGods Qi flow splits @ Dai Mai- goes up

If it starts to become too hot, threatening etc, @ LingTI/mid-back-between scapula- it flows to back of arms @tricepturn it at elbows- it reverses back to where the tricep is- and back down the same route- bring it down the back/spine it will cool this way magnetic- like reverse MCO

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the reason you turn it back on itself at elbows is because if the energy is too hot, etc we do not want it running across bicepsarm pit, pectorals into heart area if it is already too hot -once it hits the solar plexus tan tien it will light up even hotter

Uroboros, on 23 Apr 2014 - 18:44, said: Can you give me a bit of reference as to what your advice such assplit at the daimai- if it gets out of control strong kriyas, etc. Thanks, SOTG

This picture almost shows you how to "cut-the-cords" lol

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"How To Cut the LDT Cords" Started by SonOfTheGods, Apr 11 2014 07:12 PM Page 3 of 3 Posted 24 April 2014 - 10:33 AM

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joeblast, on 24 Apr 2014 - 08:15, said: it suuure does

tendou

Posted 24 April 2014 - 11:02 AM SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 10:30, said:

This picture almost shows you how to "cut-the-cords" lol what's with the blue diagonal line? I used to feel sucking like sensation or something feeling electric at that long tubelike structure. I think just one side. Maybe left, or right.

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tendou

joeblast, on 24 Apr 2014 - 08:15, said: it suuure does Relation to solar flare?


Uroboros


"the flow" is going correctly, for this to begin eventually the LDT "appears?" to solidify- in the area around that right quadrant I have to "be careful" what I say and reveal on a Public Forumbut in Email we can discuss it. Also, my cell phone #, should emergencies arise- day or night I TAKE THIS STUFF SERIOUSLY

On another thread- we discussed should emergencies arise where energy gets out of hand, threatening, etc- always ground it efficiently- Bubbling Springs down 6 feet of earth

Ok, I gotcha!

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Thanks for clarifying, SOTG. I will keep an eye out on the changes going on. I do feel a kind of ball at the right quadrant, an inch or two to the right of my navel. I remember now, yes, when it gets hot/ dangerous, bring it down to LDT, penis base, HuiYin, Yongquen, 10 feet into earth then back to LDT.


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tendou, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:02, said: what's with the blue diagonal line? I used to feel sucking like sensation or something feeling electric at that long tubelike structure. I think just one side. Maybe left, or right.


Uroboros

SonOfTheGods, on 24 Apr 2014 - 10:30, said: Qi flow splits @ Dai Mai- goes up If it starts to become too hot, threatening etc, @ LingTI/mid-back-between scapula- it flows to back of arms @tricepturn it at elbows- it reverses back to where the tricep is- and back down the same route- bring it down the back/spine

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it will cool this way magnetic- like reverse MCO the reason you turn it back on itself at elbows is because if the energy is too hot, etc we do not want it running across bicepsarm pit, pectorals into heart area if it is already too hot -once it hits the solar plexus tan tien it will light up even hotter

This picture almost shows you how to "cut-the-cords" lol

Thanks for explaining.

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I gave this route a go and I did feel a bit cooler. It felt nice. I will remember this incase I get some problems. My heart does already feel full....Although, maybe it needs to be pushed over to purge...pivot excess That DaiMai...its such a vital aspect to stimulate. In Wild Goose 1st form, there is a large focus on stimulating the Daimai channel through shaking/ rotating / pivoting from the Daimai. Now my DaiMai feels kinda like water sloshing about, with some heavyness to it.


joeblast

tendou, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:03, said: Relation to solar flare? not really... a buddy of mine, I taught this to...very heart centered dude, has some palm vibration even though he hasnt really officially cultivated much (in this lifetime anyway) so ok, when you have this energy you need to dissipate and its heart stuff, send all that to your palms and make them bright and hot, then face them to the ground and womwomwom that way, then, bring to ldt and womwomwom but really, projecting through laogung or sword finger comes from the wisdom eye, niwan. that's one reason even though max dropped the old man pointing at somethinsomethin in favor of the red sun, I kept doing that #2 exercise (that is still part of Jenny's

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system) because of the niwan-3eye-swordfingertip connection. eeee teeee glow

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Can you explain more about this? haha

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:18 PM tendou, on 24 Apr 2014 - 12:08, said: Can you explain more about this? haha yes, all explained soon, although partially, already

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