IRC Seminar from Mon Aug 18, 1997 *** Operator changes topic to "Speed Seduction MI!IS#MI!AR *I! $RO%R#SS* &&&'seduction'com" (Sand&orm) e ha+e ust fo-ded space from I.' Man/ machines on I.'
(#SR) 0e/ Ross'' So &hen are /ou going to 0a&aii (Sand&orm) #SR2 0a&aii &i-- 3e Octo3er 45!o+ 1''I6m going a &ee ear-/ to scout things out'''' ahaina 3each is a $RIM# seduction hunting ground (Sand&orm) onite6s topic2 Seduction patterns for SRI$$#RS (sr-eine) /es (+ermont) this topic shou-d rea--/ tae off (ec/pher) e.ce--ent, 3ache-or part/ on Sat night (Sand&orm) Ahem''can &e simmer do&n and 3e-t up (Sand&orm) Cu: Sarg/ has his c-a&s read/ to go if /ou6re not (%oog-eCA) Im read/ (tref) read/ (Suds%ir-) go ross/ins (Sand&orm) I used the fo--o&ing se;uence -ast night at a c-u3 &ith AMAirst, go in &ith a p-a/fu-, -et6s ha+e some fun &ith these ch/cs attitude' he/ are ust -ie an/ other 3unch of gir-s'''imagine them s;uatting on the toi-et maing a dump (Sand&orm) And /ou are going to esta3-ish that /ou are !O one of those dum3 sucer customers she is out to tae for 3ucs (Sand&orm) $oint 12 he o3 of a stripper IS!6 to 3e a stripper''' it6s to 3e a >A!AS? #C0!ICIA!'''her o3 is to create the fantas/ that 3/ some act of god,
the s-o3s in the c-u3 cou-d go home &ith her'''' (Sand&orm) So far, is it c-ear 0er o3 is to &a- the -ine 3et&een creating that fantas/ to get more cash from the chumps and getting them so hot the/ attac her'''she6s gotta &a- that -ine (oepss) /es, c-ear (ec/pher) c-ear (Sand&orm) 0e--o, =oc =a+e (Sand&orm) he second point is to +ie& /ourse-f as 0#R pri+ate fantas/ dancer''of the mind hat /ou &i-- do for 0#R &ith /our OR=S, &hat she does to men &ith her @O=? %et it (Sand&orm) O''so, first step is''''sit do&n at the mainstage or near it''and oe around &ith the gir-s'''%# 0#M A%0I!% Act -ie /ou ust don6t gi+e a fuc if the/ 3-o& /ou, fart on /ou, or tae a dump right there on the f-oor Cause ?O %O A S#CR# ($hi-A-e.) Maes sense' She6s gotta mae it -oo -ie an o-d carni+acon game' "?ou A-most Made it" tr/ again -ater, &hen, /ou ne+er had a chance, un-ess RB is in /er corner' (Sand&orm) !e.t step2 atch the gir-s as the/ dance, and, as =oc =a+e can e.p-ain, -oo for the ones &ho are #C##! trance su3ects' I -oo for the spar-/ "+isua-" e/es =oc =a+e''&anna chime in here, p-ease (3e-af-e) i-- chime in on the e/e thing, its a-- true Dthan. for the tip sagacious oneE (Sand&orm) If her e/es are a-- spar-/, it6s a good c-ue (sr-eine) spar-/ (Suds%ir-) &hat do /ou mean 3/ spar-/ (Sand&orm) !e.t step2 once /ou6+e spot a stripper -ie this on stage, sit at the stage and
oe around &ith her' a/ out a fe& sing-es''it6s o'''' (%oog-eCA) Fitt/ Fat spar-/ e/es (oepss) -ie a ho-ida/ (#SR) Ref-ect -ots of -ight (3e-af-e) it seems the/ -ie to stare a-ot too (Sand&orm) M/ fa+orite oe is to stare at her nees and R#>S# to -oo at her 3oo3s or ass''''' and then sa/, "?ou6+e got %R#A nees'''-ots of gir-s ha+e those phone/ nee IM$A!S 3ut /ours are rea-''the/ 3ounce &hen /ou mo+e" (Suds%ir-) so the same is true for gu/s (Sand&orm) his a-&a/s cracs the shit out of them (Suds%ir-) that6s funn/ (Sand&orm) hen I te-- them that for 1G 3ucs, **I** &i-- gi+e **them** a pri+ate dance (Hi:ionar/) If an/one dou3ts the guru, I &ou-d -ie to chime in for a sec the a3o+e ORFS (Hi:ionar/) I ne+er thought it &ou-d, 3ut it does RO> (#SR) Rea--/ so &hat do /ou do after she sa/s O'' (Sand&orm) hen the/ get off stage, the/6-- as if I &ant a dance' I6-sa/ "e-- /ou &hat''' I6-- pa/ /ou to sit and ta- and if /ou can mae me -augh, I6-- 3u/ a dance from /ou' >air enough" (#SR) %ot it'' no& &hat (Sand&orm) 0ere6s &hat /ou do ne.t2 get rapport 3/ e.p-aining /ou understand her o3' ?ou sa/, "oo'''I ha+e friends &ho dance out in Ari:ona'''and the/ taught me something'' /ou aren6t rea--/ a dancer'''?O6R# a fantas/ technician'''' (Sand&orm) ?our o3 is to create the fantas/ in the minds of the chumps out there Dpoint a&a/ from /ouE that 3/ some act of god the/ cou-d go home &ith /ou if the/ ust eep
gi+ing /ou more mone/" (Sand&orm) !o&, @rothers''this a-&a/s gets a 0%# -augh''it6s the -augh of recognition'' and the/ often shae their heads in ama:ement that someone F# from the outside is so ;uic onto the game (oepss) -aughing it in (Sand&orm) #.cuse'''Sarg/ ust stro--ed in 0e -oos inda hot and tired''it6s in the 8G6s in 'A' and he =O#S &ear fur /ou no& (Sand&orm) Bee:''this cat has got a @I% ass (=oc=a+e) poor Sarg/ (o-fadom) sha+e the puss (#SR) get him a persona- trainer (Sand&orm) An/&a/''3ac to strippers''!e.t step is to sa/2"he interesting thing a3out /our o3 is /ou ha+e to &a- that -ine 3et&een getting the customer e.cited enough to eep pa/ing /ou &ith that fantas/ /et not cross o+er into ha+ing them sta- /ou or tr/ (Sand&orm) And /ou then as, "I6m curious''ho& -ong &ere /ou &oring this o3 3efore /ou got comforta3-e &a-ing that -ine" (Sand&orm) et her ans&er''it &i-- sho& /ou ho& sharp she is' he 3etter the ans&er the 3etter the su3ect (Sand&orm) >rom here, /ou can do her hand&riting if /ou &ant to, ust to esta3-ish a 3it more rapport' It he-ps impress them and the/ are AR#A=? impressed ho& sharp /ou are''' (Sand&orm) D@/ the &a/, do this &hen the c-u3 isn6t 3us/ It does tae a3out 4G4J minutes a-to-dE (Sand&orm) Once /ou6+e done the &riting''/ou sa/, "?ou no&''there is something e-se I can te--
a3ouK/ou'''it6s not an/&here in /our &riting''ust something I intuit" (Sand&orm) She6-- 3e intrigued' hat 0A CA! ?O # M# (Sand&orm) SO$2 0ere6s &here some 3ros &ou-d @O it, tr/ing to do a connection pattern @ad p-ace to start &ith a stripper Can /ou te-- me &h/ (oepss) the/ ha+ent had one (oepss) e+er (3e-af-e) e.itement unies, -i+e for the moment (am/ins) the/ ha+e ph/sica- orientations (tref1) the/ tr/ to reamin =Isconnected &ith the men in a c-u3''' (3e-af-e) cant ha+e connection (o-fadom) he/ don6t &ant connection'''' ma/3e it turns them off ($hi-A-e.) Connections are un&anted in a pee-er6s &or-d or map (Bo3et) he/ ha+e the emotiona- ;uotient of a fi+e /ear o-d (Sand&orm) A ans&ers are correct H#R? %OO= (#SR) @od/ >ee-ings, Buice her up nice and %ood (Sand&orm) So, /ou sa/, "?ou ha+e a H#R? +i+id imagination''/ou mae imager/ in /our mind +er/ +i+id-/ >or e.amp-e'''D#.tend /our hand -ie /ou are ho-ding a roseE''&hat co-or is this rose I6m ho-ding in m/ hand (Sand&orm) atch her pupi-s dia-ate as she ha--ucinates it (Sand&orm) "Red" or &hate+er co-or, she6-- sa/' (=oc=a+e) then as her to sme-- the rose (Sand&orm) ?ou sa/'''no&, tae it from me''and sme-- it'''3rush it against /our chee and feethe softnesss of the peta-s''' (Sand&orm) !o shit, 3ros''this stripper -ast night did #AC? as I instructed''she c-osed her e/es &ith p-easure as she 3rushed it against her chee (Sand&orm) hen I said, "!o&, notice &hat it6s -ie as it turns into
/our fa+orite f-a+ored -o--ipop from &hen /ou &ere a -itt-e gir- (Sand&orm) !o&, put in /our mouth'''and taste it''D0IC0 S0# =I=E (Sand&orm) DI mean the -o-ipop''not me''not /et, an/&a/E (Sand&orm) "!o&, tae a deep 3reath''and step into /our idea- +acation spot''are /ou inside or outside'''Dget the ans&er''she &as outsideE is it da/time or nightimeDIt &as da/timeE''&hat is the temperature -ie (Sand&orm) "oo do&n at /our feet''te-- me &hat /ou seeDshe6s either going to sa/ "sand" or "grass"'''''Instruct her to fee- the softness of it against her feet''if it6s grass ha+e her crush it and sme-- the fresh fragrance (Sand&orm) @/ no&, /ou6+e got her in =##$ trance'''=oc =a+e''do /ou -o+e this or 0A (=oc=a+e) One gir- to-d me her +acation &as sai-ing &hen I &as doing this (am/ins) ust out of curousit/, cou-d this &or if a &oman did it (=oc=a+e) and she &as pantomining pu--ing on the rudder, pu--ing on the sai-s etc' (Sand&orm) ?es, it a3so-ute-/ cou-d, am/' =o /ou &ant to seduce strippers no& (am/ins) it might 3e interesting 2E (spiff) hmm o fine deep trance no& &hat (Sand&orm) So, from there, I &ent into the 3-o& o3 pattern''and she &as c-osing her e/es, going gaga &ith p-easure as I descri3ed the steaming hot 3ath'''the peanut 3utter Dshe -ied that instead of choco-ateE the iss, etc' (Sand&orm) An/one &ant to tae a 3rea, or shou-d I eep going e6re a-most there (3e-af-e) gogogogogogogogo (am/ins) go
(#SR) $eta- to the Meta- Man (%oog-eCA) =ont Stop (Hi:ionar/) Something -ie JG7JL of the &omen that dance in most c-u3s are @i or es3ian, so, I6m sure the/6d eno/ Am/ running patterns in a MABOR &a/''' ($hi-A-e.) %o !otice ho& Ross is SACFI!% patternsStuff -a/er upon -a/er (=oc=a+e) es3ians are great trance su3ects (Sand&orm) O''from there, I &ent into the =ar Sun''3/ the &a/, as I sa& her responding I mo+ed in c-ose and in m/ 3est tona-it/, spoe RI%0 I!O 0#R #AR''' (spiff) he/ ross one addition to the 3-o& o3 pattern (Sand&orm) %o ahead, Spiff (Bo3et) es3ians -i+e in fantas/'''the/6re a natura(spiff) /ou get that head/ fee-ing''' (Sand&orm) 0a ha, spiff''' (tref1) hehe (Sand&orm) An/&a/, I &ent from there into =ar sun'''said, "Sometimes I thin it6s -ie there are these specia- p-aces inside /ou6re mine''&here &e eep our most e.citing memories'' 3-ah 3-ah 3-ah'''' (Sand&orm) I6+e done =ar Sun 3efore''I dont6 care to rehash it''' (Sand&orm) !o&, 3/ then she &as past/ e/ed and her mouth &as hanging open''ust tota--/ fi.ated on me''3reathing hea+/'''I cou-d fee- the heat coming off of her $#R>#C 3od/'''' (Sand&orm) So, no&, I decide it6s time to rea--/ amp it up''I said, "O''/ou can dance for me no&''3ut I ha+e a re;uest''I don6t much care for 3oo3s''I6m into 3utts''so I &ant /ou to face a&a/ from me as /ou dance" (Bo3et) 0ehehe'''=ar Sun reminds me of the -ocet pattern
(Sand&orm) I did this 3ecause she &ou-d then ha+e to -ean her head 3ac''so m/ mouth once again is right in her ear' (Sand&orm) hen I said, "hi-e /ou dance, I6-- recite a poem to /ou I &rote a3out a-- this" (Sand&orm) I then recited m/ o&n poem, >ascination'''''' (Sand&orm) After t&o +erses, she stops dancing, turns around in front of me, drops to her nees, c-oses her e/es, and goes right into trance in front of me as she -istens''' her 3od/ is RA=IAI!% heat'''I s&ear, an/one &atching D&e &ere a-most a-oneE cou-d (#SR) Coo- if /ou go &ith ?our SS 3udies , &e cou-d do a tag team and anchor it to 3oth of us''ie @en and I (Sand&orm) Cou-d ha+e seen it coming off her DI he-d her hand as I read the rest of the poemE (Sand&orm) hen''I6m not finished /et''''I got her e+en 0O#R (spiff) cmon ross gi+e the gir- a fighting chance (=oc=a+e) !o ne+er gi+e them a fighting chance (sr-eine) ne+er (3ug) -ooing for&ard to the c-ose ($hi-A-e.) !#H#R (tref1) no fighting''' (=oc=a+e) Resitance is >uti-e (Sand&orm) hen''sti-- ho-ding on to her hand, as she is nee-ing in front of me, shaing &ith -ust, I said, "!o&''it6s not necesar/ to imagine &hat it &ou-d 3e -ie if m/ hands &ere as smooth and as f-o&ing and as f-uid as m/ &ords''''' (tref1) oh''man'''' (spiff) hahahahaha (Sand&orm) "hat &ou-d that >## I !O'''and &here &ou-d a person first -ie to fee- those
hands going''&here &ou-d a person -ie to fee- those hands mo+ing''caressing'' e.p-oring''' (3ug) don6t ust thin of this &ith strippers, this is +er/ +er/ good' ($hi-A-e.) Stic a for in her' She6s done' (tref1) it &ou-d 3e unfair to -et her go home a-one''' (3e-af-e) e.po-ring'''+er/ sensua(Sand&orm) I thin if a person cou-d >## A 0A''the/ cou-dn6t e+en $ ?OR >I!%#R O! 0# SORC# O> A 0A #CI#M#!'''3ut if the/ cou-d''it &ou-d 3e -ie the/ &anted to CR#A# A!= O$#!I!% for a-- that e.citement''and opening that O!%#= to fee- that e.citment $#!#RA# deep inside''it6s the ind of thing that cou-d cause a person to COM# OH#R A!= OH#R A!= OH#R A%AI!''''to one conc-usion'''''that &hat /ou &ant'' &hat /ou6+e &anted for so -ong''is right here''right no&''and /ou ust 0a+e to ha+e it for /ourse-f (Sand&orm) O''thin I &as done or did I do more (3e-af-e) more (0eathn) MOR# (Hi:ionar/) ?ou -a/ered in more, 3ecause /ou &anted the dec staced tota--/ in ?OR >AHOR''' I don6t no& if /ou did a -itt-e more or a O more''' (Sand&orm) MOR# of course I said, "It6s the ind of thing to e.p-ore in a dream''3ecause a dream is a p-ace &here there are no ru-es''there are no -imitations''ust e.citement'' ad+enture''and ama:ing fee-ings'''penetrating and spreading e+en deeper''' (Sand&orm) So tonight''/ou can meet m/ +oice in a dream'''a dream &here /ou and me and m/ +oice e.p-ore a-- sorts of incredi3-e things'''' (3e-af-e) these are great acce-erators
(Sand&orm) hen''then I said''"oo, I ha+e to go no&'''and I no& /ou ha+e to 3e cautious &ith customers gi+en those gu/s out there /ou ha+e to dea- &ith''so &hat I6m going to do is structure an opportunit/ &here /ou can eno/ -istening to me again (Sand&orm) In a &a/ that fee-s safe and right for /ou'''&hat I6m going to do in a minute is gi+e /ou m/ card'''so /ou can ca-- me''and /ou can pic a p-ace &here ?O fee- safe meeting me to e.p-ore more of this ind of thing'''/ou shou-d no& I don6t ha+e a-ot of time ($hi-A-e.) Ross2 =o /ou e+er gi+e out the poetr/ hot-ine to Strippers (Sand&orm) he most I cou-d gi+e /ou is an hour or so''''then I did the card tric that programs her to ca-- She hugged me and started grinding her puss/ against me''a OA? i--ega- mo+e in this c-u3 !O actua- 3od/ contact a--o&ed (Sand&orm) he fina- thing I did &as to sa/, "oh 3/ the &a/''I ha+e a 4N hour poetr/ hot-ine''so ust 3efore /ou go to s-eep tonight and /ou &ant to hear m/ +oice, /ou can ca-- it" %ood ;uestion, $hi- (Sand&orm) hen I checed this morning, I had a3out 5 ca--s on the -ine from 4am to 21J am''
&hich means she &as ca--ing and didd-ing herse-f (Sand&orm) $rett/ good'''no& -et6s go 3ac and -oo at the 3ig chun steps so &e understand it''o =oc=a+e''I in+ite /our ana-/sis first hat do /ou thin maes this &or (=oc=a+e) he +er/ first part (=oc=a+e) -ooing for a gir- &ho is a good trance su3ect (Sand&orm) ?es, H#R? IM$ORA! (Sand&orm) hat e-se (=oc=a+e) 3/ -ooing at her e/es, and facia- musc-es
(3ug) facia- musc-es (=oc=a+e) -ooing at ho& she responds to &hat /ou sa/ (studgir-) ho& can /ou te-- from the facia- musc-es if the/ are a good trance su3ect (oepss) facia- animation (Sand&orm) =oc''&hat percentage of the genera- gir-/ popu-ation do /ou thin fits this I thin it6s a3out 4JL as @rother Cunningham has said (spiff) /ou can a-so -oo at responsi+eness (=oc=a+e) &hen the/ go into a trance the/ -ose a-- tone in their chees (oepss) Marc sa/s on the tapes that there are se+era- eas/ tests for suggesti3i-it/ (=oc=a+e) and -ater as the/ get deeper it returns (tref1) doc'' musc-e tension or -oss of co-or (spiff) according to ericson'' responsi+eness is a good indicator'' ($hi-A-e.) %ood trance su3ects are difficu-t to descri3e' sua--/, /ou -oo for peop-e &ho -oo -ie the/ A! to go into a trance''' the #/es are a great source of info''' (Sand&orm) he other thing is2 I got %OO= rapport' I esta3-ished that I understood her &or-d and &hat &as important in it2 conning gu/s to mae mone/ I -et her no& right a&a/ I &asn6t one of 0#M (=oc=a+e) -oss of tension''''-oo at gir-s &hen the/ orgasm /ou &i-- see &hat I mean (3e-af-e) it rea-/ seperated /ou from the A>C (Sand&orm) I rapid-/ esta3-ished a =##$ trance state and got her used to taing commands'' Sme-- the rose, turn it into a -o--ipop, etc (Sand&orm) So''/ou gu/s -ie this read/ to go out and tr/ it (#SR) 0e/ ross, Puestion'' (Sand&orm) ?eah''go #SR
(sr-eine) 0e/ ross, &hich strip c-u3 (Sand&orm) I ain6t te--in''I don6t &ant /a fishing in m/ pond (#SR) I get it, and it6s genius, the Puestion I ha+e, is ha+e /ou e+er did this &ith /our 3udd/, or friend, -et6s sa/ /ou t&o are out there and /ou inda &ant to @oth do it' (Sand&orm) !o #SR''I &ant her AO!#''focused on-/ on M# =O!6 @RI!% A @==? AO!% I &ant to esta3-ish that it is BS me &ho is the one e&- gu/ in the &ho-e c-u3 &ho !=#RSA!=S her (Sand&orm) he other thing is''once I got her in trance, I ept hitting her &ith more stimu-i'' 3-o& o3 pattern''then the &ho-e thing a3out the =ar Sun''3eing una3-e to contro- /our desires'''' (Sand&orm) hen programming her to hear m/ +oice as the +oice of -ust and e.citement and ad+enture''and the >ascination poem does the su3moda-it/ shift of putting /our picture &here she fa--s in -o+e''ust recite it (spiff) i -ied tag team SS &ith #SR'' its a-so fun for feed3ac (Sand&orm) @/ the &a/''I ha+e found the poems &or MC0 3etter if the/ are a-read/ tranced out &hen /ou read them @/ themse-+es''a3sent that''the/ ha+e not pro+en as effecti+e for me''comments on this point, an/one (recuf) $oems ha+e &or HAR? # for me' he/ do it a--' (#SR) ?eah I used a poem toda/ Co-d, on this %ir- ho I inda &ored &ith (=oc=a+e) I a-&a/s a--ude to m/ poetr/, sa/ing ho& I on-/ share them &ith specia- peop-e' (spiff) i agree ross'' i ha+e found the same (0eathn) !o &a/, poems &or great &o trance' I e.perience a gir- doing more to trance herse-f than I e+er cou-d, after reading her !ic6s poem' (#SR) in a noi:/ resturant'' I &ent in her ear, and I got in m/
o+ed it'' (=oc=a+e) and use them as a re&ard &hen the/ go into trance (spiff) a-so i sa/ i ha+ent sho&n this poem to an/ome e-se (Sand&orm) =a+e''&hat6s 3een /our e.perience ($hi-A-e.) $oems are oo-, 3ut un-ess the/ thin /ou are not, the/ ha+e -itt-e effect' I treat them -ie $resupps''' (o-fadom) Ross did /ou ha+e the poem memori:ed Bust curious' (Sand&orm) Of course, o-f/ I &rote that one (d1::/) $oems &or great for me too ''' (spiff) t&o e/es across a cro&ded room''man that rocs (#SR) ?eahh it does Roc, I thin she s-iped in her seat toda/'' cu: of it' (spiff) as ross'' a stripper did that to him 2E (d1::/) I once sho&ed the poem 6Mae it 3e6 to a married 0@ under the prete.t of testing out for a gir-friend' (Sand&orm) e--'''gotta go in a minute An/more feed3ac or are &e done (=oc=a+e) I ne+er &rite them a poem ''' I te-- them m/ poetr/ is too sensiti+e for mere in on paper''' It is their treat for &hen m/ +oice reaches for their specia- p-ace (Sand&orm) 0o&d that &or for /a, =i::/ (d1::/) *hree* months -ater '' she sti-- reme3ers it '' and ass a3out it '' e+en toda/ (3e-af-e) i sha-- im3i3e this as the nectar of the gods (3e-af-e) than /ou guru (sr-eine) Muad6=i3 (recuf) Ross6s stuff is good enough to pa/ a 3unch for (0eathn) 0e/ hans, Ross (=oc=a+e) he on-/ time I use poetr/ "co-d" is in group sessions, -ie poetr/ readings
at a coffee house (Rust/C) ha+e fun Ross' (tref1) good stuff ross''' /ou ha+e MA!? ad+anced students, that speas +o-umes a3out /our teaching'' (=oc=a+e) #.ce--ent o3 Ross (sr-eine) come here, I6-- ho-d /ou Am/ (Sand&orm) MA=I@ 0A= @#COM# 0# 0A!= O> %O=''O #A= 0# $#O$# O R# >R##=OM A!= R#SOR# 0# >AC# O> ARRAFIS (oepss) 3/e ross (3ug) than /ou ross' are /ou sure /our not ust channe-ing Sarg/ (Sand&orm) >or I AM the &i:at: haderach (sr-eine) =ue Ross Atreides (Hi:ionar/) a/ e.ce--ent miniseminar, RB ($hi-A-e.) M/ e/es ha+e 3een opened /et another degree, RB''' (Sand&orm) %OA %O %ROOM SAR%? @?# N !O *** sand&orm has ;uit IRC D0omer &as hereE
