22/4/1435 Thoughts on Excerpts for The ECK Dream 1 Discourses The companion CD to The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp has the code ENDR01CD upon is and includes 14 clips from talks talks by Harold Klemp. Klemp. I will attempt to offer some free thought about the Excerpts for the ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold as I listened to it. So far that is at least three times. Would those who listened listened to the CD be disapproving of my commentary? A lot of them would. Would those who read my commentaries on some of the discourses or this CD be disappointed in the content of the discourses discourses or CD? It seems a number number of them certainly certainly would. would. I wouldn't recommend the Eck study program to another, because of its risks spiritually and mentally. Certainly I have seen people harmed harmed both ways through through Eckankar in this life. Am I wrong? Is it worth it for you? "The Universal Nature of Dreams, Part 1" from The Universal Nature of Dreams Parts 1 and 2, 1989 ECK European Seminar, audiocassette #101391 & Chapter 11 of The Dream Master, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 8, #011303 has the selection for the Welcome letter. Eckankar refers to dreams dreams as trips trips to heaven. heaven. Does Heaven change really change as Harold Klemp says or do we change? Dreams may often have more relevance than mere symbology, but I don't think this necessitates a belief that dreams are always an imperfect memory of a soul soul in a spiritual spiritual dimension. It does seem true true that what we remember remember of the inner and outer life is real and important. I do not think we need to explain all features of difference as carry-overs from past lives. Can't God determine to test us by excess or lacking? I agree that dream dream are a consciousness. "A Great Love for God, Part 2" from A Great Love for God, Parts 1 and 2/An Ordinary Day in the Life of Soul, 1991 ECK Worldwide Seminar, audiocassette #101531 & Chapter 2 of What is Spiritual Freedom? Mahant Transcripts, Book 11, #011303 has the selection Lesson 1 or Dreams-The Bridge to Heaven. Accepting one's self self as a soul and/or spirit is certainly a step. When we focus on or analyze our dreams; they may become clearer as time goes on. Certainly the ability ability to find meaning and purpose should improve. improve. Dream time time is shown to contain a recollection recollection of the past. past. Dream study may very well have even more importance than than that. We should love God for the little things in life. God does show love love for creation in ways that go unnoticed. One can say that Eckist do not actually work with their leader as a Dream Master. What do they work work with beyond their own projections? projections? Is symbolism of dreams more of something to get past or something to work on. "The Dream Master, Part 1, " from The Dream Master, Parts 1 and 2, 1988 ECK Worldwide Seminar, audiocassette #101321 & Chapter 1 of The Dream Master, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 8, #011273 has the selection for lesson 2 or The Dream Master. Mahanta mays Way-Shower. Way-Shower. To an extent people only have the power we acknowledge and allow them to have. A Living Eck Master or Mahanta can't actually work work individually on the inner with with his disciples; much less any one else. No guru or so-called so-called world savior can do that. Harold Klemp speaks speaks in this talk about the inner and outer teachings providing a layout of the inner inner or spiritual spiritual realms. Is this just just projecting a format upon one's system of reality or consciousness. "The Hundredth Monkey," from How the ECK Works Every Day/The Hundredth Monkey/Gas of God? 1987 International Youth Conference, audiocassette # 101231 & Chapter 9 of Unlocking the Puzzle Box, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 6, #011253 has the selection for lesson 3 or The The Ways of the Dream Master. The Formula Two technique here in is saying HU (like Hugh or hue) once and breathing, than twice then breathing is like the technique for the Planes by saying Hu (a non directed word for God) or one's secret word the number of times of the plane and then breathing the same number of times. That would mean one for the Physical Physical Plane; two for the Astral Plane; three for the Causal Plane; four for the Mental or Etheric Plane (top of Mental Plane); five for the Soul Plane or Atma Lok; six for the Alakh Lok; seven for the Alaya Lok; eight for the Hukikat Lok; nine for the Agam Lok; ten for the Anami Lok; eleven for the Sugmad World; twelve for Sugmad; more for the planes beyond that for Akshar realization of the many planes beyond that which are not realized. realized. An important thing with dreams may be to write down even the insignificant ones as soon as you can. I would think it would be very very beneficial to make a regular habit of recording recording one's spiritual life. life. Doing spiritual exercises of some sort puts more of life in that context. The Formula Two Technique certainly is a combination of focus on the the Physical and Astral Plane. One is deemed as dwelling on the level of ones initiation instead of just visiting it through techniques such as this. Does anyone really
visit other realms by such techniques? Is it all all senses, emotions, memories, the intellect, and intuition intuition that really performs the journey? journey? Either way, we can learn of a broader spectrum of life. In the Spiritual Notebook by Paul Twitchell page 119 describes a descent of meaning for the planes as The Ocean of Love and Mercy with planes above Sugmad or God as a Noun. Isn't it a debasement debasement of God's position to place place It lower than any reality? The Sugmad world must be like the Atzilut of the Qabalists and the Allahut of the Sufis. This is the appropriate appropriate way we deem God as revealed in the original scriptures by God's prophets (Paul Twitchell seemed to think prophets were lower than Eck Masters, of which he considered himself the 971st, and discouraged thinking of him as a prophet prophet from what I can see.). Below God is the Nameless Plane, Inaccessable Plane, the Highest State Soul Generally Reaches, the Endless World, the Invisible World, the Dividing Plane, the Unconscious (the Etheric Plane), Kal Niranjan (God of Time Without Fear is said to be the source of Orthodox or correctly believing religions), religions), the Plane of Negative Reality that Effects All Below, Turiya Pad or the Source of Psychic Phenomenon and the Occult, and Pinda (the Plane of Matter or everyday life in the scientifically scientifically verifiable verifiable world. Many faiths and philosophies would deem the divisions as somewhat arbitrary as they can all be considered to be where an individual individual is. The religious and and not merely churchy churchy can be said to dwell in God or with God at the times where he is in The State of Absolute Righteousness and even moments of failure may not take an individual from this station. Do you see any reason to doubt that the first 4 or 5 of these are not metaphysical at all? Some would say the physical, psychedelic, psychedelic, truly metaphysical (unfallen angels or light beings and fire beings or fallen angels), and God are present. Why should God be bound to the time-space-mater time-space-mater continuum? continuum? "The Eternal Dreamer, Part 1," from The Eternal Dreamer, Parts 1 and 2, 1988 ECK Creative Arts Festival, audiocassette #101301 & Chapter 11 of The Eternal Dreamer, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 7, #011263 has the selection for lesson 4 or How to Remember Your Dreams. Dreams. People do sometimes sometimes burn out and and fail, because they don't work there way into matters. matters. Some may not remember remember dreams well; at first. Some may may not be able to keep keep a diary well; at first. Sometimes the lessons lessons or messages in a dream or experience may not mean much to other people, but that is no reason not to make notes. They may mean something later. Harold Klemp agrees with Al Mooslimeen in this era about Friday being a special day to do things one may only do once a week. The example he gives is witting in a dream journal. "The Eternal Dreamer, Part 1," from The Eternal Dreamer, Parts 1 and 2, 1988 ECK Creative Arts Festival, audiocassette #101301 & Chapter 11 of The Eternal Dreamer, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 7, #011263 has the selection for lesson 5 or Understanding Our Dreams. Inner experiences may be strange or amazing, but Harold Klemp notices notices change more than anything else. The dream world is interesting, but that doesn't mean it is all beyond imagination. We should not inflate the experiences experiences we have. Harold Klemp often disorganizes speech and it becomes very hard to find out why something is in a talk by a particular title. Does he makes light of this in order to distract from the fact he make still have a schizophrenia category disorder. "The Eternal Dreamer, Part 2," from The Eternal Dreamer, Parts 1 and 2, 1988 ECK Creative Arts Festival, audiocassette #101301 & Chapter 12 of The Eternal Dreamer, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 7, #011263 has the selection for lesson 6 or How to Interpret Your Dreams. Dreams. Attitudes of dream characters may help one to identify identify who you are dreaming about. about. Does a bad dream really mean others are out to get you? Do others really intrude intrude on your inner inner world? It seems true that we may be able to handle more exposure to factors as we develop, though. "Charlie and Moon," from It Matters to This Starfish/Charlie and Moon/The First Year of the Shariyat, 1987 World Wide of ECK Seminar, audiocassette #101271 & Chapter 2 of The Eternal Dreamer, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 7, #011263 has the selection for lesson 7 or Dreams Dreams in Our Daily Daily Life. Eck in the context context of this talk talk is God's Speech through light light and sound. The sound scheme scheme for the realms according to current current Eckankar teaching goes outwards as Alayi (Upon/Power), Kala (Time), Mana (Mind), Baju (Seed), Sugmad (God We Seek), Shanti (Peace), Hum (put forth), Aluk (Ambassador/Invisible/Compounds (Ambassador/Invisible/Compoun ds [Aaloke means light in Saamskrita]), Huk (A breathing haq means truth), Hu (It or The The Pronoun). The goal is to listen and identify till one can turn off off the lower sounds sounds till one hears hears the so-called sound behind all. all. Is this really HU?
visit other realms by such techniques? Is it all all senses, emotions, memories, the intellect, and intuition intuition that really performs the journey? journey? Either way, we can learn of a broader spectrum of life. In the Spiritual Notebook by Paul Twitchell page 119 describes a descent of meaning for the planes as The Ocean of Love and Mercy with planes above Sugmad or God as a Noun. Isn't it a debasement debasement of God's position to place place It lower than any reality? The Sugmad world must be like the Atzilut of the Qabalists and the Allahut of the Sufis. This is the appropriate appropriate way we deem God as revealed in the original scriptures by God's prophets (Paul Twitchell seemed to think prophets were lower than Eck Masters, of which he considered himself the 971st, and discouraged thinking of him as a prophet prophet from what I can see.). Below God is the Nameless Plane, Inaccessable Plane, the Highest State Soul Generally Reaches, the Endless World, the Invisible World, the Dividing Plane, the Unconscious (the Etheric Plane), Kal Niranjan (God of Time Without Fear is said to be the source of Orthodox or correctly believing religions), religions), the Plane of Negative Reality that Effects All Below, Turiya Pad or the Source of Psychic Phenomenon and the Occult, and Pinda (the Plane of Matter or everyday life in the scientifically scientifically verifiable verifiable world. Many faiths and philosophies would deem the divisions as somewhat arbitrary as they can all be considered to be where an individual individual is. The religious and and not merely churchy churchy can be said to dwell in God or with God at the times where he is in The State of Absolute Righteousness and even moments of failure may not take an individual from this station. Do you see any reason to doubt that the first 4 or 5 of these are not metaphysical at all? Some would say the physical, psychedelic, psychedelic, truly metaphysical (unfallen angels or light beings and fire beings or fallen angels), and God are present. Why should God be bound to the time-space-mater time-space-mater continuum? continuum? "The Eternal Dreamer, Part 1," from The Eternal Dreamer, Parts 1 and 2, 1988 ECK Creative Arts Festival, audiocassette #101301 & Chapter 11 of The Eternal Dreamer, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 7, #011263 has the selection for lesson 4 or How to Remember Your Dreams. Dreams. People do sometimes sometimes burn out and and fail, because they don't work there way into matters. matters. Some may not remember remember dreams well; at first. Some may may not be able to keep keep a diary well; at first. Sometimes the lessons lessons or messages in a dream or experience may not mean much to other people, but that is no reason not to make notes. They may mean something later. Harold Klemp agrees with Al Mooslimeen in this era about Friday being a special day to do things one may only do once a week. The example he gives is witting in a dream journal. "The Eternal Dreamer, Part 1," from The Eternal Dreamer, Parts 1 and 2, 1988 ECK Creative Arts Festival, audiocassette #101301 & Chapter 11 of The Eternal Dreamer, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 7, #011263 has the selection for lesson 5 or Understanding Our Dreams. Inner experiences may be strange or amazing, but Harold Klemp notices notices change more than anything else. The dream world is interesting, but that doesn't mean it is all beyond imagination. We should not inflate the experiences experiences we have. Harold Klemp often disorganizes speech and it becomes very hard to find out why something is in a talk by a particular title. Does he makes light of this in order to distract from the fact he make still have a schizophrenia category disorder. "The Eternal Dreamer, Part 2," from The Eternal Dreamer, Parts 1 and 2, 1988 ECK Creative Arts Festival, audiocassette #101301 & Chapter 12 of The Eternal Dreamer, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 7, #011263 has the selection for lesson 6 or How to Interpret Your Dreams. Dreams. Attitudes of dream characters may help one to identify identify who you are dreaming about. about. Does a bad dream really mean others are out to get you? Do others really intrude intrude on your inner inner world? It seems true that we may be able to handle more exposure to factors as we develop, though. "Charlie and Moon," from It Matters to This Starfish/Charlie and Moon/The First Year of the Shariyat, 1987 World Wide of ECK Seminar, audiocassette #101271 & Chapter 2 of The Eternal Dreamer, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 7, #011263 has the selection for lesson 7 or Dreams Dreams in Our Daily Daily Life. Eck in the context context of this talk talk is God's Speech through light light and sound. The sound scheme scheme for the realms according to current current Eckankar teaching goes outwards as Alayi (Upon/Power), Kala (Time), Mana (Mind), Baju (Seed), Sugmad (God We Seek), Shanti (Peace), Hum (put forth), Aluk (Ambassador/Invisible/Compounds (Ambassador/Invisible/Compoun ds [Aaloke means light in Saamskrita]), Huk (A breathing haq means truth), Hu (It or The The Pronoun). The goal is to listen and identify till one can turn off off the lower sounds sounds till one hears hears the so-called sound behind all. all. Is this really HU?
"A Larger Room," from Sunshine and Sparkle.The Right of Choice/A Larger Room, 1994 ECK Worldwide Seminar, audiocassette #101691 & Chapter 3 of The Secret of Love, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 14, #011333 has the selection for lesson 8 or how We Learn in the Dream State. State. Plans to go somewhere somewhere makes one wonder who is involved. involved. Initiations are supposed to be exposure to areas where you don't know something. Harold Klemp talks about how Eck Masters and all human masters are not omniscient. Wouldn't you also agree that it is also silly for such individuals to claim they have power to control people who don't believe in or even know of? Wouldn't you agree that even the best of people have more to accomplish in life before the death of the body? Sometimes a person person might learn something something in a dream that they don't don't have conscious recollection recollection before hand. Sometime the circumstance around around the dreamer dreamer provides for the recollection to occur. occur. I have also found it sometimes influences the dream itself. The First Eck Initiation Initiation is said to usually come in the first year of Eckankar membership membership when a person person has committed to the ECK Study Study program. The actuality is this happens when corporate sees someone has ordered the second year of membership. The Eckist is usually a person that will perform spiritual exercises without knowing the meaning of even the words involved. Is such blind repetition really such such a good idea? Harold Klemp is right about there there always being another another step and different levels of consciousness; even if you don't believe there are Eck Masters on other planes of existence. "Lessons and Blessings," 2006 ECK Worldwide Seminar, audiocassette #102121, CD #102131, DVD #202332 & The Master's Talks in The year of Giving-2006-7, #019074 has the selection for lesson 9 or Our Dreams of Purpose. Spiritual practices before sleeping can help even people with no belief in the afterlife with sleep disorders get a good night's sleep. Harold Klemp explains unexplained unexplained pains with with occurrences in past past lives. lives. Sometimes this idea doesn't scare children. Sometimes dreams seem more real than regular life. Family sharing in spiritual practice and experiences can be very good good for them. There may be a clear recollection recollection of doing something something or being something in a dream that one one has never been been or done. Does itr make more sense to deem this a past life or the imagination? "The Dream of Life," from The Dream of Life/Lessons from the Master, 1988 ECK European Seminar, audiocassette #101311 & Chapter 13 of The Eternal Dreamer, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 7, #011263 has the selection for lesson 10 or Gifts of the Dream Master. Dreams of the future may not be at all prophetic prophetic dreams. dreams. Muhammad the Prophet taught that the prophetic dream is one of the parts of prophethood that will remain with humans after he dies. Sometimes a dream has a lesson like not fighting the inevitable or not letting anything anything bother you that doesn't need to. What seems prophetic may very well be another insight into one's self or life. Does Harold Klemp really expect people to seriously think he is controlling everyone's dreams? The tools to deal with dreams and experiences in Eckankar are not unique to that group, as far as I can tell, unless you mean something very specific. "Dreamland: Have It Your Way, Part 1," from Dreamland: Have It Your Way, Parts 1 and 2, 1989 ECK Springtime Seminar, audiocassette #101341 & Chapter 6 of The Dream Master, Mahanta Transcripts, Book 8, #011273 has the selection for lesson 11 or Looking at Our Past. Do people really make appointments to to meet up in non physical planes? Is the truth behind "Souls has no past or future," future," be that we are to live in the present? I think using creativity creativity to figure out the dream as it goes along along sounds a lot like like lucid dreaming. Is Harold Klemp pretending when he he claims to remember what people people write him claiming claiming to forget about? It sure seems like like he went out of his way to invent an experience around one of his main interests-the Old West. "The Road to Spiritual Freedom," 2002 ECK Worldwide Seminar, audiocassette #102021, DVD #202252 has the selection for lesson 12 or Dream Travel to Soul Travel. The distinction between between dream and soul travel seems arbitrary. If soul god out out when we sleep, we may may be aware of it at times. If a dream is like being awake, it may just mean we are are more conscious of it. Sometimes we may remember a experience experience where our own nature or reactions will be found on others and we should identify that when it occurs. "The Universal Nature of Dreams, Part 2," from The Universal Nature of Dreams, Parts 1 and 2, 1989 ECK European Seminar, audiocassette #101391 & Chapter 12 of The Dream Master, Mahanta transcripts, Book 8, #011273 has the selection for the What's Next? letter. Spiritual goals may very well have material value. Dreams and creative imagination is best used and may be bestowed on us for the purpose of connecting to God-to whom all returns.
Baraka Bashad (May the Blessings be)! 24/4/1435 Introduction and Welcome to The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp Page ii has the label that is so often a part of Eckankar books by Harold Klemp and implied for the other books by him or before August 7th, 1983 by Darwin Gross or Paul Twitchell. That is to say like "authored and published under the supervision of the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master, Sri Harold Klemp. They are the word of ECK." It seems that, as far as we know from what we have, that the prophets and messengers of God did not consider all their words after gaining the prophet hood to be God's revealed word or even completely inspiration. That is why the prophetic figures of old identified what teachings were quotes and which were authoritative explanations of metaphysical or religious matters. There personal character may have been to be submissive to God's will, but the personal tastes and styles were largely not an explicit part of their own teachings. Is the highest conscious being is a mahanta? What do you think of a leader claiming to only write and speak quoting divine spirit or God as a Verb? Introduction: Page vii of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp says that Harold Klemp is the Dream Master. Could this be part of the same delusions of grandeur he mentions being questioned about during a psychiatric hospital stay for a condition like paranoid schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder brought on by his heavy drinking and poor eating at the time and when younger? He still admits in Spiritual Wisdom on Healing to bouts of it or a somatic form of schizophrenia from eating mistakes and being overwhelmed by over exposure to certain elements in his surroundings. The new format of the Eck discourses is to make the books twice as big with workbook pages and to have a CD with it. It seems to be like having a members only Eck Satsang class; even when none is available for the discourse on is on. Few areas with Eckankar centers would have one going for each of the discourse series that the local members are one. One of the two leaders for the Eck Writers/Journaling Meetings said he was currently doing four at a time. A brief review of this second of a series of seventeen is showing that the workbook pages are no more profound than you'd expect the eighteen years old or older individuals who are reading them to come up with. I would most strongly agree that making some record of one's spiritual life and developing an awareness of one's experience in that context is a good idea. Welcome: Is Harold Klemp a true friend of those who have to pay to be a member of his group or those who worship him at all? Is dreams the most interesting study? I believe it is for some. Does he really start off this discourses series explaining the true nature of dreams? I would agree that the spiritual exercises are the best part of the discourses, when they are appropriate. Eckankar seems not to focus on them being for devotion or out of love of God as much as to witness sights and sounds in a spiritual way. Are any of them revealed especially from God? I'll let you make your own decision regarding that as you read what I share. The first page is right about both being a newcomer on a spiritual path being as a new spiritual life and that the holy can cleanse what remains of your previous existence. Is the message about the secret rhythm and mentions of the discourses being of God to cause people to feel privileged and thereby imbibing it with a status? Is that a reality? The third page calls to make a note of that drew attention and the emotional reaction to the Welcome letter. I have shared the former and latter can be guessed by the mixed reaction. The fourth page ask to visualize whomever the Mahanta of Eckankar is opening the gateway to the inner worlds. I don't believe in all that, but I can visualize just about any material thing. Bouncing a reflection or something into my peripheral vision when I watch a show is one thing, but I'd rather picture myself opening the way to my own inner worlds. I've watched too many movies and shows to not picture the gateways as not in some way like for a mansion or a technological device. On the
other side for me is like my own private musing and alterations of what is on the outside. Is that what the gate and inside is like for you too? The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp, page 5 has the third workbook exercise for the Welcome letter. How is any human the Inner Master? I can't see myself treating a Living Eck Master as the voice inside my head who controls me. Would that scare you too? I have and will ask God to find out even one item to improve with my spiritual practices, though. My studies and interactions with other continue to provide me with next steps at times. Often it is just personal reactions that cause me to sense what I should do next. The next page calls one to imagine a baptism in spirit-Baphomet as you will. Many faiths call for an introductory washing that is also spiritual. Here the imagining of being bathed in God's presence as water is called for. September 23, 2000 C.E. is When I became Jaefar Saaee An Bak Ntjr Wae. That and my formal confession of faith at the Jumah before Ramadan were such experiences. It was as if I was being washed of the old by Heaven in a way even before those first born-again baths taken later by myself; which were also special in feeling. The change in my life I notice was as if something was lifted. I can do practices of the presence of God and that the shekinah/light beings/holy spirits are witnesses with or without light visualizations and find a comfort beyond mere escape. I guess that is more than one difference that has brought me closer to God and knowing death is closer. Page 7 has the fifth Welcome workbook exercise. I again won't pray to anyone who would call themselves Mahanta for a personal spiritual exercise. One reason is I have my own ways. Another is I only feel comfortable praying to God for ways to express my personal understandings. I want my ways inline with God's. I'll focus on my obligations and what is recommended. Voluntary practices will surely come in time; within boundaries. Baraka Bashad (May the Blessings be)!
23/5/1435 Pleasant Review of Your Day Today & The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp Lesson 1
Before this discourse started on page x has a photo of Harold Klemp half grinning. The caption makes it unmistakable that he is whom he refers to as The Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. Don't be mistaken as to whom is being mentioned when these terms come up, until he dies and is replaced by another. Lesson 1 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp is called, "Dreams-The Bridge to Heaven." The illustration on page 8 is of a woman shielding her eyes from the sun atop a mountain. She is not to well protected from the elements, even though snow is in the background, but she tries to see onward. The next page has the caption to the drawing. It is about starting a journey to one's innermost self that isn't started. I thought that is what they claimed was being started by joining, if not looking into Eckankar. Eckankar claims to center on love. Love of what? What kind of love? The claim for the Eck Dream 1 Discourses and Stranger by the River by Paul Twitchell has the same claim attributed to it here. The first quote from that book that is said to have recorded occurrences near the Jhellum River that runs through Srinagar of Kashmir mentions a love that destroys all else being compared to freedom. The second quote of this book said to be interactions with a space alien that took on the form and culture of a Tibetan mentions a love that starts in the heart and get developed. This is said to sprout into freedom and truth. Love is referred to as the center and start of spiritual growth. Al Qoor'aan 2.165 mentions a love for God that is greater than the love of all others being linked to realization of the truth and doing otherwise stifling freedom. Al Qoor'aan 3.31 asks one to love and follow the prophet of the age, if we truly love God and want forgiveness. The next verse calls for an obedience to God and the messenger prophet to earn divine love too. Eckankar here calls people to follow a program as well, but in order to gain an understanding of dreams which is really an understanding of self. Al Qoor'aan 13.11 and other passages refer to a change that comes from the inside being what happens before God changing a condition. Harold Klemp on page 111 agrees with this philosophy in a way, but speaks in terms of dreaming into reality rather than the way intention
is mentioned by the prophet of this age; Muhammad. It may be important to question as Al Qoor'aan 52.32 says, "Is it their dreams that dictate their behavior or are they naturally wicked?" At least Eckankar attempts to put things in a spiritual context. Does that rather than religious context from a man who went to Lutheran ministry school makes the mention of growth and Eck sound selfish or elitist to you too? Eck here is spoken of as either an angle, angels, or God as a Verb. People mean different things by Holy Spirit other than Gabriel or Jibreel or Vohu Manu of the monotheist faiths. In Eckankar dreams are thought of as direct manifestations of God as sound and light. Usually this is merely psychedelic phenomenon produced by the brain and body. It doesn't take much experience to realize there is more than sights and sounds in dreams. The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp are said to focus on the creative side of dreams and dream interpretation. The implication is clear that Harold Klemp admits that many psychologist would not give the response that Al Qoor'aan 12.44 has when it says, "They said, 'Nonsense Dreams. When it comes to the interpretation of dreams, we are not knowledgeable." Eckankar wants to provoke an interest in dreams where individuals develop a broad interest and personalized system of interpretation of dreams. How does this compare to the teaching of interpretation of dreams that God provided for Yousuf in The Two Lands now called Egypt mentioned in Al Qoor'aan 12.21? this another way by which that prophet was taught by experience? Is the teaching of people like Harold Klemp about people always being the best to interpret their dreams part of their separation from orthodox (correctly believing).religion, psychiatry, and psychology? The goal of Eckankar on page twelve is to surpass mere wisdom and attain God-consciousness. Much in the way of parinirvana found in Buddhi Yoga; Al Qoor'aan 2.0-3 starts in God's name with a mystery and calls the Godconscious to Al Qoor'aan, Contact Prayers, and to give alms. Eckankar spiritual exercises are typically easy ones and are prescribed as at least daily for members. Whether you call it a Spiritual Eye or emotions, mind, and intuition; dreams and visions involves different parts of you and that is what translates the experience even when it involves metaphysical elements. I would wholeheartedly agree with the statement that souls have more than physical experiences, but disagree on the idea that they are always reworked into what we can handle. I am fine with gaps in my understanding and don't believe in changing an account when it is not readily understood. Eckankar speaks of a dream censor as a function rather than a being. Sometimes suppression of memory is intentional; on some level. I believe God does not give us more than we can bear or withstand temptation from, but the idea that it scrambles messages when they are too strong seems refuted by modern brain science. One function of dreams is they help us remember. Another function of dreams, from the scientific point of view, is to reorganize and work out what we were involved with during the day. Therefore the seeming abstraction or fragmentation of dreams can very well be explained by our working out what we encountered during the day in another way than we may typically do. All this combined with the findings on living cells making records of the light and sound they encounter explains the astral library or spiritual records sort of experiences people have; at least partially. Anyone who has been troubled with a recurring dream and had it go away or change upon interpretation of its symbols may know that The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp page 14 does make a valid point about being forced into making an interpretation. Are the Heavens according to Eckankar reality? Eckankar teachings refer to Paul the founder of Christianity his vague statements on heaven as a hallmark of Christian ignorance of spiritual realms. Paul does seem to refer to something he and his followers has an obscured viewpoint of that will be made clear someday. Did Paul Twitchell, Darwin Gross, and Harold Klemp provide an actual look into divine cosmology? Dreams and visions are often either of the unknown and can be contradictory to what we have been taught in church or temple. Is the Ocean of Love and Mercy described as The Worlds of Eck-God-Sugmad actually projections upon the psychedelic structure of consciousness? The Story of Alexandra Costa called Stepping Down from the Star is mentioned on page 15 through 18. She became loyal to the Americans in 1970. She was a well educated upper class woman in Russia. She and her husband were ordered to try to get Russian documents published. She was amazed to find out how different it was in the U.S.A. than what her government told her. The stories had a grain of truth, but they were not the general conditions. There were so many conveniences! A trip home to
the Soviet Union left them feeling like they had little in common with their countrymen. They went back to the States and found sympathy in the other Russian immigrants. Eckankar involvement is said to be a similar culture shock of no return to many. The government of the U.S.A. helped her family adjust after they formally defected. Alexandra Costa still ran short of provisions one period and began to doubt her abandonment of the familiar. She was soon provided for and prevention of a repeat of that sort of situation was established. Sometimes what we adapt to is not needed for survival or even coping. The old system of actions looses its strength as a new system is adapted. This sometimes has to be done slowly in order to not leave people lacking what they left behind. The new system should ultimately replace every truth or value with equal or better eventually, if it has the whole truth. I have found this true for Islam throughout the ages. Al Qoor'aan 2.106 does not speak of Quran being made obsolete, but of locally relevant revelations being forgot or otherwise replaced by the directions for living in this international age. In as much as all the verses no two verses can be followed Quranic abrogation is an unnecessary belief that was picked up during the crusade period. the other way of translating the passage as forgotten verses can't apply to a book compiled hundreds of times over hundreds of years with exactly the same verses in to the letter in each dialect they were written. Even Al Qoor'aan was gradually learned in its specific order by Prophet Muhammad as is mentioned in Al Qoor'aan 25.32. This occurred from 610-633 of the Common Era. During this time Muhammad received other revelation and was inspired to explain the Sunatullah or God's Way of this age in terms that did not place man as superior over woman, nor one race as superior to another, nor people of one land as superior to another, except in terms of how conscious and righteous they chose to be. Some societies were changed quicker and some individuals underwent paradigm shifts slower. Page 18-19 of The Eck Dream Discourses by Harold Klemp mentions a story as a supposed example of "the dream censor" obscuring a "spiritual message" almost to the point of losing its "truth." A woman dreamt of a lost boy looking for his parents in a many roomed building. He was turned into a mosaic after disappearing where another woman pointed him. The dreamer turned this paper image into a kite with pictures of a number of other children attached. She flew it near happy children by the ocean. Harold Klemp is what religious studies professors used to call a savage philosopher. Such an individual believes that when we dream of those we know that we are actually directly interacting with them. The dreamer had a nephew taking Bible classes before taking a confirmation at the church where the other woman was a curator. Allegedly she saved him from Christianity which is called a paper image and a dead faith with a dead master by many. Eckankar was founded by a former Radhasoami member; Paul Twitchell. That form of Sikhism teaches that with a dead master nothing works as you need a living master in physical body. Can't spiritual practices work with a direct connection to God whether or not you have a sworn leader available? The ocean was interpreted as God's presence. Diabolos is the Devil as separate from God. One may not be God or part of God, but you can't escape the presence of the Omnipresent. one can only live like God is only elsewhere. Page 18 and 19 seem to contradict the earlier mention of the dream censor as not being a being by calling it a negative thing that wants to hide a connection to God. The Spiritual Exercise of the First Month of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses: One starts by saying HU (like Hugh or hue) for a few minutes. Then one undertakes a pleasing review of one's day for the up to twenty minutes as you go to sleep; working back to the start of one's waking hours. My first performance of this rite was the night following sunset on Thursday, the 6th of February, 2014. I continued with it nightly till my final performance of it between 10:38 P.M. on Wednesday the 19th and 5:07 A.M. on Thursday the 20th of March, 2014 or the 4th -11th hour of the night 19/5/1435. My results are as follows: My memories became vividly visual. I could see frames of documentaries, pages of books, and other scenes like they were happening afresh. i don't know how else to explain it, but they became like water I was pouring from plain clay jugs into a river that ran through a barren landscape. When they were empty, I turned around and saw a six pointed turquoise star with thirty-two rays going forth it, bot not extending far from it. These streaks of light formed a somewhat even circle. On the side of the top point were five streaks each. On the sections on each side of the bottom point
were five streaks each. On the sections on each side of the bottom point were four points. On the left side was six points and on the right was eight streaks. I was curious about this unevenness, but I remember nothing as to the answer of if their was one. There was a rainbow of light that went into me, but not in the order you'd expect. From bottom to crown were the layers of green, pink, orange, blue, purple, yellow, and white. I was warbled into a scene one may think is comical, but it was one of seriousness and contentment after the rushing and washing feelings that came with the lights faded. I saw myself with a horse head on a stick, like a child's toy, but real and not rotten. I rode it as a child would through a modern city or cities; crossing over bridges. I took these different coins that were like the Goetia sigils 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 1, and 2. All were on equal size and were large enough to mostly fill my palm. I stopped seven times to hand over a coin. The first was silver. The second was tin. The third was copper. The fourth was iron. The fifth and sixth were gold. The seventh was copper. I finally came to a place where I placed the horse head on a stick into the ground. There was a white winged horse there that shone like lightning. I mounted it without a saddle. It took me through the dark of the heavens till I saw six sapphire constellations in the way as if there were a band around me of the Shem Ha-Maphorash sigilli #69-72 and 1-2. I plummeted into a place where three seas met to swim with a giant creature much like a mollusk without a shell and a lung fish. I felt a heady euphoria with a warm powerful quickening, despite utter calm and hypersensitivity. The seas were each of a different color. I felt like each had a different approach. I saw Pluto, a mostly dark waning moon, and then the sun appear in the sky above. Two of the waters were almost the same, but the dark one was hardly like the next two I saw at all. Surly, if there was an official Eckankar Tarot, The Blue Star of Eck would be its Star card. The rainbow was their colors for the Physical Plane, Astral Plane, Causal Plane, Mental Plane, Etheric Plane, Soul Plane, and higher five or so Planes. Where does the second scene lay between Defeat and Happiness? It may not be the Five of Swords, but it seems to be like a Nine of Cups that contains elements of it. Where does the third scene lay between Science and Satiety? It may not be the Six of Swords, but it does seems to be like a Ten of cups that contains elements of it. Where does the fourth scene lay between Futility and Love? It may not be a Seven of Swords, but it does seem to be a Two of cups that has elements of it. The feelings of the fourth scene and the fact that the waters are three makes me think of the Iranian Haoma and the Hindu Soma. The colors of the waters make me think of the decanates of Aquarius as Venus, Mercury, and Mercury. The stellar bodies were another view of the decanates of Aquarius as Pluto, Moon, and Sun. The moon was at the current stage of the lunar cycle of the experience; which was the nineteenth. The combination was a reminder not to stay confined to one view of a system. Each system of interpretation has its particular laws or ways to follow that may face consequences for not following the ways of the place I'm at. The animal that ruled each of the three later scenes seems to be the constellations which are the decanates of Aquarius. The second scene was a defeat or a goal to defeat what is represented by the Goetia sigilia for the period of Aquarius; numbers 69-72, 73 is connected with Halahel, and 1-2. I was happy with the process and am comfortable casting blame when I am without that sin and sure of guilt of the blamed. The dumping is to be grateful of the past and move on, Dreams, soul travel, astral travel, and the like are to be a science of aspiration as are the Shem Ha-Maphorash sigilli.are symbols of aspiration and identity with the processes or individuals. In the case of the third scene that is being overjoyed at realization of the Aquarian principles. In the first scene, the blue star is as the thirty-third and final stage in enlightenment. Its rainbow is as a clarity through all my being and which I am to operate in. This means to be a reminder of God as manifesting in accord with Its laws. Workbook Activities: . The first workbook activity asks three questions. I answer the first by saying I found the concept of searching out the answers in what is present of special interest to me. My heart was opened by making connections to what was not in the discourse; as most who read this paper alone should be able to figure out to a
degree. When I day dream of myself a year ahead of time, I see finished projects and a greater understanding. I treasure experience of consciousness and piety over other riches. I reread and edit papers often enough that I may review this in a year as suggested. The second workbook activity is on page 22 and asks one to take a few minutes of one's pre sleep schedule for spiritual practices. I would rather make an agreement with myself about what I intend to gain with dream work and ask God for help with this as i do not believe any Mahanta or human master can really be party to inner or prayer agreements. Page 23 or the third workbook activity asks one to relate to Alexandra Costa's story. I can relate to the new view of ways I really knew nothing about, abandonment of the old ways & friends, and help along the new way parts of the Stepping Down from the Star story. I would recommend to take it easy and not go through the change alone to a friend looking to change for the better. Page 24 has one look at how one would act in the dream of the dreamer. I personally might accept the decision of the youth as they probably reached the age of accountability and stop trying to control other people. I might appreciate the beauty of someone practicing even a fragmented spiritual path. Page 25 has a drawing of a bridge with a six pointed star, Eckankar style, at the end. The fifth workbook activity there was answered as I shared what I learned and how to apply it in former explanations. The next page invites to record the pleasant recalls. The page after that finds my telling that I don't see any real change in my dreams since I started with this month's spiritual exercise on February 6th of 2014. I do feel more and more like I will remember something curious rather than shocking like my last major dream recall. Baraka Bashad (May the Blessings be)! 26/5/1435 The Dream Master Technique and The Eck Dream 1 Discourses Lesson 2 Before The Eck Dream 1 Discourses Lesson one starts is a close up of the center and center left of a painting of Harold Klemp. Is Harold Klemp God's agent as the caption calls you to? Lesson 2: The Dream Master As if one didn't already know such beliefs were part of Eckankar, This discourse proclaims that Harold Klemp or whoever heads Eckankar is the Dream Master, the Mahanta (Way-shower), and the Inner Master. If you dream about someone, are they really there? Is it different for any of the spiritual leaders that call themselves Godman? Perhaps they are saying that the spectral evidence of witch trials the world over is not only valid, but something a governing body should punish for like physical offenses. How can multiple beings have omniscience, or omnipotence, or omnipresence? How does page 31 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp speak truth in this even for The Agent of God who is fully submissive in thought, word, and deed to God at that moment? Harold Klemp contradicts all three of these in his public talks, public works, and private works. He has said many a time to the effect of, "Don't expect me to prove any of these to you; even if you are a High Initiate." It is even contradicted by the implication in "he can be with all chelas (spiritual students) at the same time." Dream help is said to be available in the Eck-Vidya or Ancient Science of prophecy that is not as reliable in detail or accuracy as one would expect from a science or a revelation. I must agree with the idea of accepting guidance or mentoring to understand dreams or gain spiritual attainment. I have taken this from many others; both human and metaphysical, just as long as it's Islamic. There may be protocol to the places we visit even in a dream or vision in the waking state. There may very well be nightmares and other unpleasant situations that arise from even ignorance of such. That is why it is important to gain some detailed when practicing inner plane projection, astral projection, lucid dreaming, or soul travel. It may be best to not be vague and speculative when working on projections upon the structure of consciousness. Thought or dream work can help us to learn lessons we don't have to relearn in our outer lives. Can we really be taught books of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad (Way of the Eternal;The Eckankar Bible) without being
exposed to it and somehow accepting the leader of Eckankar as more than a corporate head, but an Outer Master. Most would think the warnings and advice in dreams and psychedelic visions are from ourselves or from some being more holy than one who would inhabit a physical body. I would agree with page 32 about not only Harold Klemp being two-faced, but Paul Twitchell and Darwin Gross (The First and Second historical Eck Masters). I would humbly disagree as to how, but agree that there is a "power of love." How else can God be described as Most Loving in both Al Qoor'aan and some of the world's bibles, if there was no power of its manifestation? After all, from the Greek word dunamis or power over comes Dhunami; which is the title befor the subtitle of The Ancient Science of Divine Contentment; which is a spin off from the Ancient Teachings of the Masters; an Eckankar spin off founded by Darwin Gross after he was voted out of leadership in 1983. Repeating true names of God, action in God's name, and passionate love of others are ways you'd likely agree are for attaining purity of heart; whether or not Rebazar Tarzs ever existed physically or metaphysically. You might disagree with the concept of a God who only gives to those who live some for other creations; unless you think this is impossible to never do. Even the worst beings got something right; It seems. Eckankar may not fully agree with Islam about their being no Evil God in conflict with The One and Only God, but they do not believe in any fully negative creation, either. One Eckankar member worked for a medical company where conversation on religion was frequent. The born-again Christians wanted to save every soul there. The Eckankar member denounced the belief in death and listed karma and reincarnation in its place. How is calling death translation making it not a death? The Eckist (Eckankar Initiate) explained about what seemed like a novel faith to some of her co workers and even gave out information to some. This caused the Christians to form a prayer group to pray for her. One Christian later showed off her new car with a Bible on display showing what the faith had provided. Had it really? Do physical things really make one happy in themselves? I would agree with Harold Klemp on page 34 about their being more important things to a religion that what it can get you materially. The proselytizing was getting annoying, but there is an implied justice in that the woman's car turned out to be more problems than it was worth. By then Eckankar material was being listened to or read by co-workers. People seemed to remember more spiritual (psychedelic) experiences. The Eckist shared several copies of the Eckankar Journal with her co-workers. A fellow employee thought a recent dream was her chance to provoke the Eckist's salvation. Her dream seemed more real and detailed than any previous dream. She dreamt that she visited the Eckist's home with a Bible to find a woman long trapped in a cage with EK upon it. She thought it was the Greek word ek or the preposition meaning out of, from, from among, without, far from, since, immediately after, on the part of because of, or inconsequence of. The Christian didn't know what it meant. So, it was explained as meaning Holy Spirit, spiritual, God as a Verb, or some other Eckankar usage. In the dream there was a distraction from noisy children outside. The dreamer lined them against a wall to pray from them till they were quiet. The dreamer went back in the home for Bible retrieval; only to have it disintegrate. In the dream the Eckist tried to help put it back together again, but it was too fragmented. The dream was interpreted an psychic invasion of the Eckist's space and that the woman was actually the dreamer trapped in her own consciousness. The EK symbol was drawn later and said to resemble the dream symbol. The Christian most assuredly saw it on the Eckankar material that was being shared. She probably rightly interpreted the dream the first time as a conviction that the Eckist was sort of imprisoned by Eckankar. The person in the dream thought to be the husband of the Eckist looked like pictures of Harold Klemp that are in many of the material available from Eckankar; even on the cover. The interpretation the dreamer got from another was probably right in that she wanted to control people who she thought were enjoying themselves in childish way through interest in Eckankar. The Eckist told her, "If you don't stop praying for me, I'll turn this matter over to the mahanta, the Living Eck Master." The Christian woman probably deemed it a threat and later was heard in her prayer group telling them not to pray for others without their permission. I would think page 37 is wrong about the Christian finding agreement with the Eckankar doctrine of "the spiritual principle of noninterference." It would seem she likely though this was a threat to have what she probably deemed a psychic vampire or black magician and the threat was not to be tested. Do people thus have the power to
invade dreams of others without their permission like Harold Klemp claims to have done here? If true, how is that not a violation of a spiritual law too? Dream study should be connected to taking guidance within and from others. A desire to understand them as involving one's outer life is also essential. You'll have to judge for yourself about the third principle here in the third step of the staircase in workbook activity number 6 of this lesson. I don't deem it coherent or a nondestructive belief.. Dream work should be part of an effort of gaining in consciousness. Spiritual exercises or practices can be of great help to any personal or group psychological practice. I would say that religious actions are more important than study of religious books. I would also agree in the implication on page 38 about revealed or inspired books being the best ones. I would, however, think that spiritual practices are more about enforcing beliefs and holding on to knowledge than taking on new information. There is the experience of it in different circumstances, though. There are a lot of book that seem to have a diluted content of value and the Eck Books seem more and more to be no different. Are there not wish-fulfillment dreams that are better left ignored as Muhammad and the other prophets of God taught? Is Harold Klemp right when he teaches that dreams should always be an important part of decision making? Dream analysis is better when more complete. Are all dreams of spiritual value beyond that as page 39 teaches? I have received warnings in the form of dreams that came true; at least in a way. Are we really less likely to understand when the warnings show in regular life? That hasn't been my experience. The pareidolia or apophenia that is inherent in GoldenTongued Wisdom is often missed and the only way left to divine the missed message seems to be through dreams. Is it God as a verb or Eck who is giving us Eck-Vidya, these ways? Harold Klemp claimed to have dreamt in a nap that a friend being locked out of his car related to his job at a printing company before he was fired. Was it Harold's misunderstanding or his employer's that could have got him fired had he not phoned that evening to correct it? I forget whether it was Paul Twitchell or Darwin Gross that was being called the Dream Master by Harold Klemp at this point. Wouldn't it be much easier to only worship God as a Noun or Sugmad directly? Why should it be only for the head of religious corporations and other organizations to be directly accountable to God? God may know us better than ourselves, but doesn't that mean something is seriously wrong with us, if any other gendered being does too? Shouldn't we be able to interpret our own experiences without creations being intermediaries? The Dream Master Technique: I have no desire to picture Harold Klemp or any past or future Eck Master as I go to sleep or pray. Picturing him as I say HU like hue and imagining myself flying through the picture seems not right for a spiritual practice. I understand why people would use Tarot cards like hieroglyphic or other diagrams instead of images of figures they worship like this. I would side with Al Qoor'aan 5.105 in saying Harold Klemp is wrong on page 40 when he says, "Do not worry, because Soul cannot suffer injury of any kind." That verse teaches to take care of our souls, because harm will not come to a soul when it is in the right. This makes clear that those who believe in Al Qoor'aan do distinguish between the fate of the body and that of its operator. Almost all spiritual paths have our identity as the operator of the mind and body. The Eckist is supposed to believe whomever Eckankar calls the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master, the Dream Master on the other side to hand you a woven basket to put the day's negativity in. I imagine, I'd place manure in it. After all Harold Klemp in The Wind of Change shared that shoveling manure prepared him for leadership in Eckankar. Page 41 says to repeat this singing HU (like Hugh) while visualizing flying through a picture of Harold Klemp to meet him on the other side to put your problems into a basket, which is then washed in an Eck Current which is like a stream by a sandy beach up to thrice. A story is related about a person who imagined herself putting a bad movie, bad thoughts, the bad behavior of others, and recreational drug use into the basket. This Eckankar initiate dreamt about being commanded by Eckankar's Living Eck Master to take it to a colorful stream where the contents were changed to love. She asked if she could sleep without taking any of it with her, but her dream answered that it
was gone. Is dream travel or remembering it really the first stage in God's Kingdom as he says? I have thought for many years that all creation is God's Kingdom. Workbook Activities: Page 42 has the first workbook activity. I don't deem him anyone's inner master, but I figure if he had a special gift to me it would be like gold dust in a concentration within a rock that would be of the same use as goldstone. The things called "Special Gifts from the Mahanta" are either mass produced parts of the inner and outer Eck Works, the apophenia called the golden tongued wisdom, or things God has provided you throughout life. I won't imagine Harold Klemp handing me this discourse and reading it to me. Eck Works are like goldstone, if its glitter were gold. The gold in the Eck (of Eckankar in this context) Works is what it has gleaned of religion as it survived in the spiritual paths it incorporates and that which one has not escaped through the natures of things. Eckankar is like a goldstone in as much as one looks at it from different angles and appreciates the beauty it contains within the substance the is structure that is around it. Page 43 calls one to reflect saying HU after listening to track #3 of Excerpts for the Eck Dream 1.Discourses. I'm not going to daydream about a man or attribute my dreams to him. Why would I pray to him asking to be reminded of what he gave me? Page 44 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp calls to wonder how claims of him being the Inner Master and Outer Master as the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master releases love's power. How is he an inner master to anyone but himself? How is he an outer master to anyone who doesn't submit to his command or control? He shows a way, alright. What way though? Is it the way of a true spiritual master or God's authorized liege lord? For me it opens an aversion to accepting anything from Eckankar as reliable for its own sake. My experience of the Islamic version of the practices mentioned on page 45 with activity 4 has been shared in how I related singing attributes of God as Singular (Allah) like a lullaby to whom I call the Princess of Cups; How everything seems better dedicating it to All Divinity (Allahumma); and how loving God most & even the creation who does what I don't like action or traits of brings a peace that wasn't otherwise there. Avoiding bad karma in the form of unnecessary hardships is what one asks about in exercise 5 on page 46. Noninterference is about freedom and I would never take it to the indifferent place Eckankar teaches to take it. To answer the staircase of work book activity 6 on page 47: I will go up it by saying as much as God is the ultimate guide; I also am my own inner guide. My outer guide can be said to be the prophet of the age; Muhammad Ibn `Abdullah. The second step up has been of special help in entering my dream worlds in terms of understanding and openness to experience, because my desire to understand the connection between dreams and outer life is of psycho-spiritual importance. God may be in control of experience of light and sound, but God is not really one with creation. Isn't Harold Klemp by that step really saying he is God as a Verb? I don't believe he is holy or an angel either. Longing for a higher states of consciousness is also an affirmation or goal that helps with dreams in one's world view. The fifth step below the Six Pointed Star is doing the Spiritual Exercises of Eck as far as they don't conflict with orthodoxy or orthopraxy, for me. The seventh workbook exercise includes drawing a picture of one's self doing the Dream Master Technique on page 49. I won't make graven images, but I can just imagine myself in bed trying to keep balance by at least momentarily letting go of problems by expressing what they are. The next page asks to write the general experiences and insights of dreams particularly around this practice. Being open to dreaming and waking visions has been a secondary nature for a while; for me. I will say that thinking about a vague dream and hoping for clarity seems to make a clarity of detailed experience more likely. 28/6/1435 Formula Two Technique and the Eck Dream 1 Discourses Lesson 3 Lesson 3: The Ways of the Dream Master The fifteenth month's discourse in Eckankar is proceeded of page 52 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp by an illustration of a Pegasus on its hind legs
and possibly at the edge of a cliff as a symbol. This is presented as a symbol of spiritual flight, but can't their literally be beings we may take soul travel upon as some beings can be used for physical travel? Eckankar professes to draw both the curious and the lonely on page 53. What does joining any path do to us? Is it the means by which God cleanses our innermost being and outwards? Does life take on new meaning through being on a new path. What good is it to accept a mediator by declaring such as a Mahanta as a Dream Master. Why should it be necessary to accept a Living Eck Master into this role? Do we have to have others point out how profound what we have gained by changing our lives is or will we know all on our own? Sometimes we do need reminded how insightful dream study can be. Eckankar is a bit for the ethnocentric American, if you think the inordinate focus on American history as guidance for the whole world that was allegedly specifically engineered by so-called Eck Masters and other Eck Adepts. On to page 54 is the story of Abraham Lincoln's recurring dream during the Civil war of 1861-1865 C.E. before major battles, he'd dream of a warship approaching a darkened shore. Abraham Lincoln always realized how important these battles were. It was a civil war and he would have known he was going to receive messengers of war and face important battles frequently enough. The dreams may have had no actual outcome on the Civil War. Any psychology student would tell you that dreams include reworking of what is thought about during the day. If karma means action, that is truly a continuance or working out of it in the dream state. Then one could say dreams are a way of working out karma, but few would think that a Mahanta, Living Eck Master, is the Dream Master of anyone or otherwise the doer of these things. Al Qoor'aan 3.13 hints at a different story of a vision of battle that actually influenced the outcome and still encourages visionaries. It was not only of what became victory, but it was not for a side with mixed intentions for going to war. In Al Qoor'aan 3.30, One finds mention of the good and evil deeds going with you. Eckankar would refer to the debts as sunspots upon a soul. I would agree with the idea that a true spiritual teacher's job is to show how to undo the mistakes of life. The next verse of Al Qoor'aan mentions following God's messenger of the age as a sign of love of God and a way to God's forgiveness and mercy. Eckankar agrees with that in some way. Why do we have to be visited in dreams by alleged Sat Gurus (the ture ones who bring out of darkness into the light)? How can any creation travel through all time and space in dreams? Wouldn't this be like Zurvan of the Ancient Persians or some other concept of god beyond time and space? People may have dreamt about whomever leads Eckankar (always American, thus far) or a Rebazar Tarzs who is said to physically be in Afghanistan, but that doesn't mean they were taught by anything but their memory or concept of them. The section called "How the Master Removes Karma" says that problems arise when the work is only internal without outer spiritual study and practice. As true as that may be, isn't it the student's own hero deeds that get the work done regardless of any perceived help from a creation? Is page 55 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp may be correct about a spiritual battle taking place with entities that form bonds between their negative presence and people. The difference is that it would seem that battle in our being is entirely ours and no one can do it for us. The church (This is from kirk; which is the Scottish word for hero shrine.) belief in actions of others counting for us by merely accepting or acknowledging them as true seems to be overthrown by the fact that certain personal feats always seem to be required too. There are always beliefs and practices that will help to some degree in any spiritual path. The question is how much? Can't the results be more in first hand experiences than being wholly accepted as unknown? The personally responsibility for one's deeds is a valid purpose of Eckankar listed on page 56 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. This is a truth of both more and less true spiritual paths. You cannot avoid karma in the old sense and moralizing the concept has serious theological issues, though. The religious person or even the secularist who allows himself a judgement would believe or even find out that it makes a difference what one does things in the name of. Al Qoor'aan 6.136 makes a good point about those who offer to false gods (Eck as Holy Spirit and Mahanta as Embodiment in the case of Eckankar) and end up giving of what would have been dedicated to God were they not to do things in the name of partners. If Sugmad is God as a Noun and Eck is God as a Verb, thus doing things in the name of God is a
sound practice. There is more to being liberated through your joy in a spiritual life, but that is a basic. When one dreams that you are flying over a family member's vehicle with a chosen spiritual master; it doesn't mean that is how you saved your family member from a car wreck a year later; no matter what you thought to do in the dream. If the Intuitive Soul, called nasamah in `Arabee, is much larger than the human body, or somehow shared, or connected with others, then there may be truth in people feeling the presence of those not there, though. Revealed religion teaches against any being tested beyond what one can succeed at or atone for wrong; at the very least. Page 58 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp sides with this dogma on divine will only allowing what can cause progress, if we so choose. Another dreamer had dreams of different roads that Harold Klemp teaches mean life before being a member if the Eckankar corporation, the first two years (before attaining the second initiation), and afterwards. In this context being trapped on a washed out road makes sense as loosing touch with one's old religious system. The damaged, but present road can mean the difficulty of Eckankar, even after being in the First Circle or initiation. What is the real reason for the increased difficulty or maintained difficulty of life in Eckankar members? Blaming it on being ready to deal with difficulty from alleged past lives seems to give members meaning to the sufferings in life. The dream of smooth driving underwater makes sense as being fully immersed in a spiritual path after a further commitment to it. In Islam, that may be said to be learning and becoming adapted to maintaining the practices. In this dream, one may say that that person is no longer resisting Eckankar, but is unconscious of the true reality of it. Dreams full of emotions and feelings are said to be of the Astral Plane. Whether or not this is an actual separate realm from the Physical Plane, these aspects of dreams and visions can be very important to look at. Other than being told such by Eckankar works and members, there is no reason that can connect to a belief that the Living Eck Master weaves anyone's dreams, visions, or ordinary life. Page 59 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp does speak truth about insights into ourselves being opportunities to break cycles of action. Another story is told of someone who dreamt about visiting the Eckankar Spiritual Center on the Spiritual Campus of Chanhassen, Minnesota. Harold Klemp calls it the Astral Plane, because he denies the very same loss of size and bulk that he describes in earlier works and admits is caused by mistakes in eating that he knows of ahead of time. How can health problems of one's own choosing with prior knowledge of what one can't get away be the actions of a Mahanta, if such is supposed to be the most conscious person on Earth? In the dream vitality returned to Harold Klemp as he was there in the Spiritual Services department. Was this the dreamer realizing that Harold Klemp is "small, insignificant, and weak." or is page 60 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses correct in saying that is how the dreamer saw himself? Psychedelic experiences like the dreams most remember can give way to metaphysical experiences. Our inner life can include and transcend our regular life and it is important to pay attention and even study what we experience. Dream Travel and Soul Travel are not always the same as lucid dreaming. The level of control one has over the visionary experience is not the distinguishing factor. What is, then? Other than personal interpretation and saying one feels real or realer than regular life is the difference in other Eckankar works. Can the beings we see in our dreams be actual instead of symbolic of things? Eckankar seems to say yes when it is their particular mythological constructs, but implies that things like Pegasus, the winged horse of Greek mythology, is but a symbol of soul on page 60 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. A story of someone else's dream follows. This person dreamt he was on a walk and saw himself pursued by the angry. The account makes him seem naive to actually need an inner voice to provoke running away. Pegasus showed up and he escaped to enjoy the view more from above. They were hurled and shot at whenever they approached the ground. So they took flight again. To me this represents the sort of detachment of the worldly and spiritual that is fundamental to even not Christian churches and Manichaeism. In the dream, Pegasus shot forth gold light to return their weapons upon them. This reminds me of stories of Thor's eight-legged steed Sleipnir, but the symbolism is the sort of curses return upon the sender talk or the returning of karma upon those who wish ill upon the members of Eckankar. Is opposition to Eckankar
really opposed by any spiritual forces, except the souls of members? The dreamer awoke with the lyrics to You Are the Wind Beneath My Wings by Jeff Silbar and Larry Henley stuck in his head. Isn't it better to think that this is overindulgence in entertainment music rather than thinking this refers to Eck supporting his soul? If Eck is God as a Verb, wouldn't all light be God's? What them would Eck be if we say some are protected by the Light of Eck? The hostility of others is not the dark forces of our own barriers of consciousness, but this makes sense coming from a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic like Harold Klemp. The dream may be about overcoming, but the idea that escaping and having something else fight our battles seems the opposite of being fearless. God may create and allow light and sound, but I would hardly consider compulsively remembering a song one has heard before as a special manifestation of Music of God. Prophets like Muhammad, Moses, Zoroaster, and the other Sent Ones heard the sound of God in that fashion. The discourse seems to be engineering dreams upon leaving the body through the crown of the head and riding winged horses. A story of a woman who had a Soul Travel experience in that way in on page 62 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. She rode to a sandbar and entered a cave with violin music like tinkling bells. Paul Twitchell said these were the sounds of the eighth (7th, if the Etheric Plane is thought of as the higher part of the Mental Plane.) and second plane. Under Harold Klemp's rule of Eckankar that is the seventh (This is the eighth when the Etheric Plane is counted as a separate plane than the Mental Plane) and third plane. She watched an orchestra there and was hypnotized. Being spellbound by frivolity is considered to be heavenly to some, but the entrapments of the inner affect of the devils by others. Is a dream about floating on a cloud more spiritual or more a chemical reaction in the brain that brings peace and cloudy phosphenes? He saw his life as a jungle below the mountain he imagined to separate himself from his ordinary life and attain a detached view of it. Shouldn't spirituality be an embrace of life rather than an escape? He dreamt of Harold Klemp granting him license to ascend as much as he wanted. He did as told and found it more and more difficult to have inner balance. Is Harold Klemp right on page 63 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses in saying he was going where he needed more and more self-discipline? Could it really mean that advancement in Eckankar as a believer is to be more and more detached from reality as he had less connection to matter? Galatians (H Pros Galatas Epistolh Pauloy) 6.8 would agree with Harold Klemp on this one. I don't think any of the monotheist prophets would have agreed, though. Does the material world distract us from spiritual matters. The truly religious and not merely churchly would tell us it doesn't have to. Al Qoor'aan 3.14 affirms that the worldly things are supposed to be attractive, but the spiritual abode is far superior to the lower worlds. Harold Klemp sort of agrees as it being the means to the ends, but fails to see how both can be blended in the way the ancients used to hold as a religious ideal. Upon that point is the final story of lesson 3: The Ways of The Dream Master. One woman dreamt before joining Eckankar that she had a home on the inner planes and was taking a friend to see it. Apparently the inner worlds of Eckankar are a Collective Unconscious that we all share, but this reaks of a degree of universalism that seems a bit xenophobic at times. They admired the nice homes and grounds along the way and turned down an invitation from a pleasing woman resting on a balcony, but they continued till they were at her inner home. There can be merit to sticking to one's path despite perceived alluring qualities outside it. She was bathed in white light there. Eckankar does white light and other techniques light visualization. Does the Golden Dawn have its origins in Eckankar or does Eckankar have Golden Dawn roots? Eckankar works have mentione the Golden Dawn. This dream is interpreted as being her home in Eckankar on Page 63 of the Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. Formula 2: Harold Klemp's The Spiritual Exercises of Eck:Your Doorway to Wisdom, Freedom, and Love shares the Formula Technique as Spiritual Exercise #15 or Chapter 2, Number 9. This is alternate breathing the number of times for the desired plane and say HU (like hue, Hugh) the same number of times. The Soul Plane is given 5 instead of six. The spiritual exercise for year 2, month three in Eckankar is given on page 64 of The Eck Dream Discourses by Harold Klemp upon these lines. The variation listed is
to pay attention to our crown and picture white light shining on the head there. One then one alternates singing HU twice and breathing deeply twice for five to ten minutes as one drops off to sleep. One is to intend to continue this spiritual practice while sleeping. People are told that they will begin having normal seeming dreams from the Astral Realm with practice of this. The same claim is for waking or sleeping practices of other Formula Techniques. True metaphysics does not work like that. One can't honestly interpret one's self in one otherworldly realm or another based on what you were meditating on prior. One can have psychedelic experiences that are around specific projections in such a manner. These experiences can be lucid and engineered, but the transcendent or ultimately holy is beyond our mental constructs, I wouldn't recommend the part listed here where one pictures whomever heads Eckankar as a method of filling up with love. I have been seeing myself going through a moving yellow layer as I've went to sleep doing this since 7/6/1435 or April 6-7, 2014. My last performance of Formula 2 was between 5:35 and 8:27 A.M. P.S.T. on Monday the 28th of April 2014: I visualized my crown bathed in white light until I warbled through an electric yellow layer. This time, I recalled what came next clearly. I spent a while following a crawdad pushing a silver sphere through the water and a scarab beetle pushing a gold sphere through a landscape of complementary colors. The colors that are called flashing colors did not include yellows and purples. The Shem Ha-Maphorash sigilia for the period of Pisces or #3-8 went past us in the dark skies above. These symbols were all pf a light yellow. After the last sigillum was focused on in the sky, the silver sphere shed twenty-eight green drops into the water and shot eighteen red drops into the sky. The silver and gold spheres were pushed together by the scarab and the crawfish. Beyond that was a very large airplane hanger shaped building like pink sapphire. I went into six large rooms full of curious things in there. I had to use a key card with one of the Goetia sigilia for the period of Pisces to get into each room. With sigillum number three, I entered into a room with a wide variety of oracular devices, With the fourth sigillum, I entered into a room with pyres, coffins, and other things to treat dead bodies or place with them. With sigillum number five, I entered into a room with medical equipment and machines. With the sixth sigillum, I entered into a room with tools of entry and of stealth. With sigillum number seven, I saw treaties and ways to start of end conflicts. I entered into a room with may precious and intricate things with the eighth sigillum. Where the card with a tin colored seal on it, or the one with a silver colored symbol on it, or the one with a mercury colored sign on it, or the one with a copper seal upon it, or the one with an aluminum symbol on it, or the one with a bronze seal upon it, there were things I didn't understand, but they were in the category of the others. The more ordinary sort of dreaming was when I left to find a lizard with bands around a woman chained to a tree. A man who I deemed to be the father stood aloft while the person I thought to be the mother boasted about the little nothings the woman did. I awoke continuing with the saying HU twice and deeply breathing twice. I thought to contact someone to reestablish contact with her as I think I was asked about it in the dream. Although I could not see the people clearly, I knew them to be decanates of Pisces as Lacerta or The Bands & Lizard and Cepheus or the King of Ethiopia as the first; his daughter Andromeda, the Princess as the second decanate; and Cassiopeia, the Queen of Ethiopia as the third. Second Peter 2.4 and other places put the bands as of death and the chains as of hell. The lizard survives hardship and will sacrifice of its own body to save itself. We too should give up materially; if needed to save the soul. The mother represents the distractions from the psychic impulses of true spirituality. The princess represents the friend that moves with those that hold her from the message of the mind or reason. The father represents an eccentric in her life that she thinks of abstractly. He has to be willing to separate from mediation for her, if it supports problematic addictions. It may be good to remind the Princess of Cups about the message of the tarot trump XVIII or The Moon. In my Astrological Eckankar Tarot, I call it, "Polarity or Opposites." The first part of the dream is of that theme. The lack of yellows and purples is to say that the sense of opposites in the higher realms is not the same sense as in the lower worlds. The joining of the silver and gold spheres is uniting the negative and the positive in righteousness. This unity is a key to the Kingdom of Heaven in this life and hereafter. The crayfish means to scavenge my deepest
being to feed myself, but the pink sapphire warns to guard emotions with love and wisdom. I must open to forgive and accept. The eighteen red drops above the number of the trump tarot card and the twenty-eight green ones below are the lunar day of the month. Today is 28/6/1435 Al Hijra. The ages of 18,19,28 and 29 were defining ones and of crucial goals in my relationship with the Princess of Cups. The scarab beetle is as the continued creativity upon metaphysical issues. The scarab and the freshwater lobster and the worked together was the metaphysical or unseen spiritual reality staying in touch having a physical connections. The signs above were the aspirations along the way. The signs on the cards are reminders to repent of the evils and ignorance along the way. The decans of Pisces as Moon, Saturn, and Jupiter can be stated as, "The soul is the unconscious reality to live our bodily or material life in accord with for success." Also it may be said as, "Our associations, organization, and idealism are all to be for this purpose which one only sees in semblances astrally." The decans of Pisces as Uranus, Mercury, and Neptune can be said as, "I am to independently express the knowledge for divinity of my dream life and visions." Workbook Activities: Workbook Activity 2.3.1 is on page 64. That is to tell you my favorite sentence from my favorite passage (I see it speaking different truths than the discourse lists.) or passage from the discourse at the moment is when page 60 says, "The Experience was telling him not to put himself down before anyone, not even the Living Eck Master." The next page calls me to look at special meaning, but I won't credit the Mahanta for my insight. To me it is good advice that no matter what one thinks of any creation, it is not fitting to debase one's self before them. I would like to remember dreams from the Astral Realm; Whatever that means. Page 66 has the next Workbook Activity. I won't ever pray to any Mahanta or WayShower, but I can tell you I have had transformations much like Harold Klemp's The Spiritual Exercises of Eck:Your Doorway to Wisdom, Freedom, and Love #47 or 4.11 Bypassing the Mind describes. I have repeatedly been fascinated by study of metaphysical understandings like upon the spirit-soul and its parts. In Egyptian Mythology contains reference to how when one becomes an Akh/Ax or Shining One/Flower of Heaven for accepting and submitting to God as Hu or Authority (Pronounced as a breathy hoo). The spiritual practice listed in #47 includes to chant Hu-Akh like huuuach with the ch like Loch or buch to remove blockages in practice. What I find is a problem in what he says in The Spiritual Exercises of Eck on page 107 with "The word given during an ECK intitiation is a name of God from a specific plane" is that he mentions his name and titles being given out in intitiations. Yet, he has said many times in regard to the Eck Masters, "Give them/him respect, but not worship." Workbook Activity 2.3.3 asks me to choose what dream story leads to the most help for me. I would have said the sixth; as I have been thinking of the issue of the emergence and response to secular life and its attempted immergence by turning it into sacred life. For me, such would mean I have to be braver and gain ability to confront my problems on my own as much as is fitting. Also I would say that I can't give in so much to popular aversions. Another dream that would be interesting is the one of a connection reminded of the year after. The next Workbook activity is on page 68 and is idolatrous. If page 55 and 56 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp makes clear a problems arise when only inner work is made; despite the Mahanta's alleged connections with initiates. If we have to do the work of picturing "unnecessary karma" being removed by the one currently called Mahanta, why not skip the reliance on intercessors and credit ourselves? I can't say how it feels, since I won't pretend that continuances of action are being stopped by any spiritual master. As a key for liberation a quote from page 60 can be attached to a broader lesson of experiencing only what one can benefit by through one's choices. It says, "Every inner experience is important; otherwise it would not happen." Page 69's Workbook Activity has me answering, "I am dealing with a challenge in my life." Even if it kills me, in my soul, I will transcend it. Daydreaming can provide distractions, but thinking I'm flying above it just make me think of death. By illness or persecution, I am fine with dying, but would like to focus on what I can do to preserver and benefit myself and others in this life. The implication of "fly on the wings of Soul" just as strongly implies that you are not the soul as much
as saying you have a soul. The monotheist traditions tend to have from a prophet mention of the innermost self as being beyond the living operator of the body. Workbook Activity 2.2.6 is on page 70. Singing Hu, I remembered how my Shadhdhuliya name of Raheem or Compassionate was given to me by Shaykhm Muhammad alJamal ar-Rifa`i ash-shadhuli. No Living Eck Master will ever show me "a godlike quality" I'm gaining right now. I would like to think that I am improving in kindness and compassion, but God is not like any in creation. We only understand and manifest things like mercy Page 71-73 or Workbook Activity 2.2.7 asks to record results from spiritual practices and the most relevant to this discourse go with the initial results of Formula 2. 3/6/1435 Twenty Nine Spiritual Exercises and The Eck Dream 1 Discourses Lesson 4 The illustration on page 74 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp is of an old black woman on a curvy trail through a futuristic city with five shining spheres. There are also five birds, a monorail, a dome behind a building, and a planet or the sun in the sky. Joseph Campbell once said something about people not seeking a meaning or purpose of life, but an experience of it. The caption implies the goal of Eckists is such an experience of moving at will between the seen and the unseen. The expression on the woman's face in the illustration shows indifference to the inner or dream experience. Show we care whether or not we have such. Religious people might say the goal is to hold to orthodoxy and orthopraxy. Al Qoor'aan 81.24 tells us how the last exemplar prophet was not avid of the unseen nor did he hold it back. I would follow that example. . Lesson 4: How to Remember Your Dreams Are the interests expressed in our dreams really interest in the divine or are they manifestations of what we spend our time on in our waking hours? Should dream interpretation be in support of individuals or groups? If the interpreter or dreamer is a sociopath or psychopath, the interpretation could be skewed one way or the other. Meaning in life is important in every aspect of it. Do dreams provide the link that yoga does in connecting the spiritual and the physical? Epidaurus of southern Greece was not the only Asclepieion that people came to seeking healing. The healings there were of a physical and spiritual nature. This was whether or not one went there to dream and go through a series of purifications or another method. The Temple of Eck in Channhassen, Minnesota supposedly has such a goal of being another place for incubation rites, but I've never heard anything of magical sleeping practices in any of the Eckankar literature. I would agree whole heartedly about Illness being disharmony, but would disagree about benefit of divining spiritual leaders in such ways. I wouldn't do such things to attempt a vision of a past or current spiritual leader. Can a person really be so distant as being on opposite sides of creation? Al Qoor'aan 50.16 says, "...God is close than the jugular vein." What Harold Klemp says about Sugmad being so distant to an individual on page 76 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses is agreed with as God being not like anyone and beyond the heavens, but the God of revealed religion is Omnipresent. Untested assumptions can render us as a little Diabolos or The Lair/He Throws In for our baseless speculations forming our faith. We can become as Iblis or He Despaired because of the many spiritual paths. I disagree with how Harold Klemp implies most of the paths have been formed merely benefit their leaders. Isn't the focus on the personalities of the leaders the distinctness of Eckankar? Isn't it their wants and ways that dictate the organization? Using it to benefit individuals or society regardless of justice may be how it has gone wrong so many times. Secular society has faired even worse with that; historically. Each soul will have its needs and specific ways that are its own and cannot ultimately be suppressed. Revealed religion would agree with the aspect of returning or connecting to God in Its ways. The signs of God that are heard and seen can connect us to God. Isn't this something to worship along with and according to? Islam would say the verses and the witnessed miracles in life are to bring us towards directly connecting with God. There may very well be secrets that we will grasp all on our own. Revealed religion would also disagree with Harold Klemp in the idea of rising above material existence. The secularization of material life has
been a common problem over the past forty thousand years. The ancients understood that the mind and the body were to be operated by souls for spirituality or religion. Gradually that idea of a fully sacred life for all has faded from common ideals. Aleister Crowley spoke of magick as shifting states of consciousness in accordance with will. How is such raising consciousness different from Soul Travel? Unusual states can bring us into deeper submission to Eck. This makes sense, if that means what is truly spiritual. It also makes, if that means God as a verb. The meaning of Eck on page 77 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp doesn't make sense, because we are always separate beings with other creations. Al Qoor'aan 53.9 mentions coming as near as possible to God, but still being two the separation from We are to raise our consciousness, but shouldn't we raise our righteousness and decrease our wickedness to? New experience can expand our outlooks. The reasons for hardship may become clearer and that can keep it from being a hindrance in our spiritual unfoldment. Eckankar shares with so-called organized religion the attempt to remove the sting of death and expose other mysteries of life and the herafter. Where is this unspeakable joy that is described for "identifying with the nature of God"? Al Qoor'aan 30.30 mentions the setting one's system of judgement to strict monotheism which is the natural religion. Could it be the rejoicing in sectarianism that is mentioned two verses later? Eckankar members seem more likely to revel in their elitist spirituality, but seem no more full of joyful experiences than people of other spiritual paths. Certain experiences may be more likely, but are we the sort of mystic that this makes one a new spiritual being or are we distracting ourselves from bonding with God? The deflection of prayer to intercessors historical and mythological seems a distraction. The insult of petionary pray and general ideas of worship seems to distract from religion. Eckankar had its subtitle as "The Religion of New Age" or something like that at some point. Did they not mean it? Did they lie to the government when they declared themselves a nonprofit religious organization three decades ago? Eckankar is certainly a church or kirk for its worship of Eck Masters as heroes. The "bridging the gap" mentioned on page 76 is the same idea found in Christianity that an intermediary is needed for God to be more direct with us. Four sets of questions should be answered with this discourse. How valid are the Daily Life Practices on page 78 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp of active listening, memorizing the details, avoiding alcoholic beverages, and avoiding the like of tranquilizers? Is it good to do the Preparations for Dreams on page 79 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp like a night set aside to focus on your dreams; going to bed earlier; keeping witting material near one's resting place or elsewhere, if avoiding disturbing another; and visualization of the face of the figurehead of Eckankar followed by the rest of him and what he has on? Does it work to follow the Remembering Your Dreams advice on page 79 and 80 of trying to relate your dreams or tell a summary of them to someone upon waking; have family discussions of dreams; being precise in detail; and making interpretations more personal? Since Islam calls people to be careful about interpretation and sharing with those one loves and trusts, imprecise recall and wild speculations about what they mean never seemed to be a problem. I guess you could say I do all 4, except not interpreting dreams that relate to my religious and political activity as such. When we look at A Month Long Dream Introduction to Eck on page 80 and 81, are we convinced that our mind will become more adaptable to spiritual ways with the month of different spiritual exercises each night; be they chanting an Eck Master's name, the name of a Temple of Golden Wisdom, the name of an Eckankar Plane of God, or alleged holy word? Hardly anyone will become so in tune with it that a dream will be remembered nightly, much less one that fits. That is why people are encouraged to attribute their first thought in the morning to the practices. Sometimes what we remember before, during, and after will not really be effected at all. I will share something of ideas I connect to each. Why would people be discouraged by having a variety of simple practices to go through? I admit to starting on a previous practice before remembering to use the next one on some nights. On page 86 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp it says, "It is a temptation to try to follow a program like this to the letter." If these discourses were really God's word or the authorized word delivered by the Holy Spirit, why would it say that? I wouldn't attribute problems at home as a sign to drop off spiritual practices for a day or so. Why would just spiritual practices ever throw one out of balance? One shouldn't expect to experience a notable
difference between what one experiences with these practices. Is the discrimination or viveka a mental or spiritual thing? What is the real resistance, if you had it to some? One should consider that the abrogation may be opposition to the saint worship, belief in a hierarchy of gods, projections upon consciousness or other universalism, or other dogmas of Eckankar. True spirituality may be of the heart, but people can have almost any belief and worship system and feel better off than those without any such convictions. First Week: The Eck Masters (The first week calls for the invocation of the Eck Masters below by name.) Wah Z (Harold Klemp's nickname Wah Zee) It is thought that sixty years ago, a man who wanted to be called a nickname that was close to pederast (sex with a preadolescent) made Eckankar a public path. He was followed by a man who wanted to be called a nickname similar to dampen (Dap Ren). In his third twelve year cycle of being called Mahanta, the Living Eck Master; he still wants to be called a nickname like woozy. Rebazar Tarzs (Rebah-zar Tar-z) In Aramaic we have ReB as Chief; AeZR/AeZRH as help/helper; and TRSW as Tarsus. The name makes me think of Paul of Tarsus, the founder of Christianity and Ezra, the arranger of the Hebrew Bible and the founder of a path more recognizable as Judaism than what came before it in those sixteen decades of exile. When we project this upon the Sufi order that Paul Twitchell was involved or the Chisti, Tibetan spirituality, and maybe some Scientology, we have a complete explanation for what Rebazar Tarzs is in Eckankar. Rebazar Tarzs is said to be a six foot tall Tibetian with heavy black eyebrows and beard. They say he tends to wear a maroon robe and carry a walking stick. Fubbi Quantz (Foo-bee Qu-want-z) This projection of one with white hair and a light gray beard in a white robe is more likely to be a projection of ruby quartz as a symbol of purifying love than anything else. Just pronounce the letter R instead of F in the first name and instead of N in the second name. Yaubl Sacabi (yeeow-bul sak-a-bee) This projection of what looks like a 5'9" Egyptian priest or Buddhist monk with a shaved head in saffron robes may be mocking us with his name by saying, "Yeah, it's bull. Sucka B." In Biblical Aramaic, we get the following: Y-BuL or BAeL-SK-ABY O Protective Covering Of the Nothing or Household God/Master/False Lord, (you are) of Sorrow! YAWBL Into the River SK thorn ShK stop BY need Peddar Zaskq (Paul Twitchell's nickname like Ped-dar Zas-k) Paul Twitchell was number three in Scientology at some point according to a brochure for Scientology. He followed Inayat Khan at another point. He was a well known disciple of Kirpal Singh and appears in photos with the guy. He admits to studying many manuals and scriptures of many small and large spiritual paths. He was around five and a half feet and liked to wear blue business suits to match his blue eyes. Rami Nuri (Ramee Nooree) It is said he looks much like the idea of Rubbi Quantz with hair that has turned white and a curved Romanesque none. He is said to be a little taller than Harold Klemp and be about six feet. His name is like Raama as God of Sound and Noowr as a Semetic word for light. This all makes him seem like an Indo-Aryan projection of the Eckankar path as having Hindu origins.
Lai Tsi (lie tsee) Lao Tzu means old master and this is the projection of a small Chinese man like Zhuangzi; whom Daoism is based around. The idea of him as one who tends to speak so gently that one has to listen carefully to hear him reminds me of how I often speak in a way that is either so quiet that it isn't heard, or that it is in a way that calls for closer attention to understand as meant. Second Week:Temples of Golden Wisdom (Some of the names of the sixteen Eckankar inner and outer temples are like real places, but do not fit the historical places. We are more likely to seem what we mention or an idea thereof with these practices of inner plane projection.) Faqiti (Fa-qee-tee) Monastery Out of the five main temples listed on the Physical Plane, only the Temple at Chanhassen, Minnesota is described as being physical and available for material sight. The guidance that people think of around doing this is generally attributed to the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad's Introduction and the mythic Eck Master Banjani. The goal of Eckankar is to attribute personal experience and the remembrance of the world's wisdom to Eckankar origins. Is this at all appropriate? I started with this after dawn on Mother's Day 2014. I saw vague remnants of a picture of this monastery like in the book. Katsupari (Cat-soup-aree) Monastery The first section of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad is said to be here with the Abbot of the Monastery, Fubbi Quantz, to show it. Could Eck Masters be a reconfiguration of Ascended Masters and the rest be projections of Hinayana Buddhist beliefs? After dawn on Monday the 12th I switched. I awoke remembering being asked questions and thinking about Harold Klemp talking and Orsen Welles. I found nothing online about such a talk. Maybe I should think of how they are related. Orsen Welles was gifted in many fields an was a science fiction writer. Harold Klemp claimed to be advanced in many ways, but expects belief without actual verification of such statements. Harold Klemp has been a spiritual fiction writer for the past few decades and is of a way that is not so much for praying to God. Temple of Gare-Hira (Ga-ray-hee-ra) The first of the so-called temples of spiritual vision is said to be in the Gobi Desert. The second is said to be in the mountains of northern Tibet. This one is said to be in the mythic Agam Des of the Hindu Kush and the next in Retz on Venus. Gare-Hira is said to be where interplanetary travelers like Rebazar Tarzs acclimatized themselves as that is a place to do such. The Way of the Eternal or Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad is said to be there too. This fourth main Temple of Golden Wisdom of the Physical Plane seems a projection of Indo-Aryan or Bactrian culture. After dawn on Tuesday the 13th: The only thing remembered is blue smoke. Temple of Askleposis (Ask-lep-osis) Again, only the name is chanted. This is said to be the main temple of the Astral Plane. The description is of an octagonal structure of "translucent white and rose sandstone" that seems almost round. Gopal Das is said to be the Germanic looking blonde Ancient Egyptian that people mistake for Jesus, the final Northern Semetic Prophet. This is about the most mixed up Eck Master story of them all, that I know. His description is like the German version of Fabio with a Hindu name, yet originally one that didn't seem out of place as a native Egyptian. Why would Asklhpios the Aspired One or Mole Builder of Epidauros be the name that is projected upon a temple for the Realm of Emotion? Healing and preventative medicine can call to go beyond the senses to heal. If there were spiritual or Akashic Records to go view, it may be important to look at them separately form regular input. After dawn on Wednesday the 14th: I was a pink cone in my dreams.
Temple of Sakapori (Sak-a-pour-ee) It makes sense that one's past life would be in the Realm of Memories, but must we really project this upon a "city of Honu, on the Causal Plane? Does it make sense to claim a Mahanta or other human leader of an organization takes us on dream and other inner journeys? After dawn on Thursday the 15th: I saw orange stars. Temple of Namayatan (Nam-aye-atan) Is it necessary to attribute universal reality to the inner plane projections of a Realm of Mind where several Eck Masters are said to have their base of operation? The sound of running water may be a symbol of moving thoughts. After dawn on Friday the 16th: I saw a blank light blue and felt in some unusual fashion, but forget what exactly. Temple of Param Akshar (Pa-ra-mak-shar): This place called the House of Imperishable Knowledge is of the Atma Lok or Soul Plane and the location the Self-Realization is attributed to. One clear difference between Eckankar and what may be called revealed religion is that revealed religion admits that God-consciousness, Self-Realization, and the truth of God-Realization can be achieved before even taking on such a path. Eckankar does agree about their always being more for the creation to achieve. Why can't these important steps be just as independent of places as they are of the scripture of the age? After dawn on Saturday the 17th: I saw colorful fire casting shadows. Third Week: Planes of God (Be aware of your own surroundings and the nature of psychology when doing such things The Astral Plane is called Sat Kanwal-Anda (Sat Kahn-wall On-da) Jakob Bohme and Emanuel Swedenborg may have thought seeing pink light was special, it is what most see at some point when they shut their eyes or go to sleep. The roar of the sea is most likely to be the sound of one's own breathing or the wind as one slips into unconsciousness or even super-consciousness. The sound of the Physical plane as Thunder and the other sights and sounds of the planes can easily be those of the environment that surrounds you or how your body reinterprets it in an altered state.. After dawn on Sunday, the 18th of May, 2014: I saw a blank pink both times while hearing the roar of the sea and occasional thunder; both times I went to sleep that morning. The Causal Plane is called Brahmanda Lok (Brahm-on-da Lock) Is it best to interpret our play of memories and how our mind organizes stories as past lives? The memory during, after, or around the practices is most likely to be the aspects that fit into the mythology or other structure of the practice. In this case people are told to think of orange and tinks of bells. After dawn on Monday the 19th: I saw orange stars twinkling to the beat of bells. The Mental Plane is Brahm Lok (Brahm Lock) It makes sense for the Realm of the Mind to be the place of the intellectual symbols of math, music, and letters to be projected here. Philosophy is also such an intellectual think. For the uninitiated to Eckankar the Blue Star is of Eck and after the hope is to call it the Blue Star of the Mahanta. Blue is one of the most common colors of psychedelic light to see in meditation, in sleep, or around sleep. The star form or light blob is one of the most common phosphenes to see as well. The sound of running water is mentioned with a color of blue here. After dawn on Tuesday the 20th: I saw a blank light blue and heard running water.
The Etheric Plane is Saguna Lok (Sa-goo-na Lock) There is Saguna Brahman or With Qualities Absolute and Nirguna Brahman or Nondifferentiated Cosmic Spirit. To worship God we may reference forms or qualities with saguna. I would not refer to the Immanence as anything but the highest or limitless, unchanging qualities that are appropriate to the essence of Nirguna Brahman or The Expander Without Bad Qualities/Without Material Form Creator. This discourse says the sound of buzzing bees is often heard on entering this Realm of Intuition. I never understood the idea that the Etheric Plane "is the top of the Mental Plane." Either it is a separate world or it is not. 21/7/1435 and 7/5/1436 Dreams: After dawn on Wednesday the 21st of May, 2014: I saw myself tunnel through into violet and purple. I heard a buzzing. I must have practiced this for over thirty-one nights in the two or three other periods of time I decided to repeat this rite. Some nights were more clear or more detailed than this and others were less. My final practice of this ritual was between 1:20 and 4:55 A.M. on Tuesday the 26th of February, 2015 or the eighth through tenth hours of the night of 7/5/1436: I saw a twinkling of electric blue sparks as I felt like I was sinking down through my bed and further. I came unto a place like a deep purple cloud. The air was thick and heavy upon me. A sound of bees grew as I approached a violet building. A reddish black goat was climbing this building shaped like a tub rounded at the top. It would land upon the edges of the design of this building like unto the pictures of the Dayaka Temple; until it reached the top with its sphere upon a rod top. The goat looked down into the sphere that functioned like a microscope. It would stick little coins into a gap. The first was silver. The second was copper. The third was aluminum. The fourth was steel. The fifth was bronze. The sixth was gold. Looking at each coin made it like a sports field sized labyrinth. The goat would carefully trace each line with a brown light that seemed to come from its eyes. Before the sigillum for Belial was that for Amduscias, Cimeies, Andrealphus, Flauros, and Andras. I drew my attention to the Hindu man leading an indigo heifer around the grounds of the temple that had fly agaric mushrooms all around it. They entered through the door of the temple. Violet light poured brightly out of that door. I followed them from a distance and entered into this building that seemed to be carved out of a single precious stone. It wasn't amethyst, but it was of a similar color. I could not see where the dark Hindu and the heifer went after I entered and looked around. There was no other entrance or exit than that one door. Upon the high and rounded ceiling were the Shem Ha-Maphorash sigilia for the period of Capricornus or segments sixty-three through sixty-eight of the year divided into seventy-two or seventy-three when starting with the spring equinox; etched in red. The signs were in clockwise order. Starting left of the door was the sign for Aenuwaal, Mechiyaal, Dumbiyah, Munqaalm Ayae'aal, and Chebuwiyah, I sat on the cushions that lined the circular wall. Two shadows moved about in the bright violet light. Each talked with a different toned Chinese accent. In unison, they said, "In Arcadia, this arcanum is brought about as simply as to only imagine it and it as if the projections exist." The scene faded. I then felt warbly as I heard bagpipes. This went away as I heard the beeping of my alarm. Interpreting the Dreams of 21/7/1435 and 7/5/1436: One can look at the dream of May 21st, 2014 as a projection of the attributes of the supposed Etheric Plane or the Upper Part of the Fourth Heaven. The sound of bees may be the sound of prosperity. Purple may be a symbol of devotion. Violet may be a symbol of divinity, the spiritual realities, and that which is more fine. When one looks at the dream of February 26th, 2015 the meanings can include the following: The sound of the bagpipes is said to be the sound as the pure traveler crosses the zone that guards the Soul Planes from the material and psychic world below; according to Paul Twitchell's The Tiger's Fang: An unmatched Spiritual Journey to the Astral, Causal, Mental, and Soul Planes-and into the heart of God Itself! I may know of nothing where someone has claimed the exact experiences he professed to
have had, but it seems that his experiences were equaled or surpassed in every respect by prophets of God; such as Zarthost and Muhammad. The feeling of the warbling can also be as being deeply moved by the changing tones of the bagpipes. Arcadia in mythology is of idealism, utopia, paradise, the secluded, the protected, and the preserved. The saying as a whole can be as the Eckankar Law of Facsimiles, mysteries representing ideals, and a heavenly existence that one brings about one's self. The Shem Ha-Maphorash sigilia are signs of aspiration to the good and truth of the portion of the year they represent, symbolism of their element, the symbolism of the Zodiac sign that they are listed under, and the meaning of their names, those light beings, and their allies. The shadows in the violet light can be said to be obscuring of the top levels of consciousness. Eckankar literature says Lai Tsi is an ECK Master from the 6th Century B.C.E. that rules the Dayaka Temple of the Etheric Plane with his underling Jagat Ho; who was also said to be a Chinese ECK Master, but from the 5th Century B.C.E. The meaning of blocking the crown can be seen in the focus on projections rather than the actual structure and function of intuition and the unconscious. I can't think of how the sound of bees and bagpipes fits into that at the moment. One shouldn't merely awaken dead images, but seek out the reality behind psychological projections. The Hindu and the Heifer are as the constellation Indus. Its symbolism of an enigma are clearly seen in the disappearance and the unpredictable effects of fly agaric mushrooms. Fly agaric mushrooms also show that constellations meaning of seduction in their allure as a means to attain certain states of being. The blue cow may also be as a symbol of high quality nourishment. The Hindu man can be as the initiator, preserver, and protector of the mysteries. The building and deep, dense clouds are an obvious projection of the Dayaka Temple in the Etheric Plane. Out of stones, I can find pictures of, it is closest to sugilite. That is a symbol of deep spiritual love. That combined with the sound of the bees can be the devotion that involves exploring and contemplating upon the supernatural or truly metaphysical. The Goetia sigilia are symbols of renouncing and seeking protection against the evil and ignorance of such entities, their legions, those periods of the year, those planetary categories, and what is within the meaning of their names. The Goat is as the constellation Capricornus. The brown light that seemed to come from its eyes is as the cardinal and objective nature of Capricorn. Its meanings of self-conscious, preserving, and patient can be seen in the carrying and use of the sigil coins. The process of climbing the Dayaka Temple can be as its symbolism of perfected matter. The reddish color of the goat can be Capricorn's ego and its identity as a Fire sign in this Age of Aquarius. The top of the temple with its sphere on a rod design can be seen as the constellation Microscopium or the Microscope. It represents all those "As above, so below." and "As within, so without." sayings. The sparkling blue light can be said to be the light of the Lower Part of the Mental Plane; which is said to be below the Etheric Plane or the Upper Region of the Third Heaven. For the Soul Plane sing Sat Nam; which means True Name. The Eckist would say that this is the Fifth Plane, Dividing Plane, and the first truly spiritual world. Wouldn't listing the Physical, Astral, Causal, Mental, and Etheric Planes below that make it the sixth? With the terms they are described in, I would not necessarily agree that anything listed as below the eleventh plane or the Sugmad World is not mixed with matter. The descriptions of deeper and deeper yellows till one reaches the Soul Plane or Atma Lok where you hear the single note of a flute seems so psychedelic or even purely physical in nature. Such goes with the same with the whole descent of sounds after the many realms of and beyond Akshar Realization, the Music of God, and the Music of the Universe. Hu or the sound of a whirlpool, the music of woodwinds, a thousand violins, deep humming or just a humming sound, heavy wind or just a wind, a single note of a flute, buzzing bees, running water, tinkling bells, the roar of the sea, and thunder do not seem metaphysical at all. Neither does green, pink, orange, blue, purple, yellows, white, and black seem like supernatural colors to me.
After dawn on Thursday the 22nd: I fell asleep to being bathed in a deep yellow light. For the Invisible Plane chant Alakh Lok (A-loch Lock). Alakh Lok or Invisible Plane is listed as the Sixth Plane where one is supposed to hear heavy wind and see a softer yellow than the deep yellow of the Soul Plane. Why can't God give you dreams and take you places without a Mahanta or intermediary being? I would think you are to be given the ability to experience such things on one's own with God's permission. 23/7/1435 and 20/5/1436 Dreams: After dawn on Friday the 23rd of May, 2014: wind outside.
I saw a light yellow and heard the
The seventh through tenth hour of 20/7/1436 or between 1:17 and 5:40 A.M. of Wednesday the 11th of March, 2015 was the last performance of this ritual for this stage of context from the discourses. I felt myself floating away. An electric blue came over me and my voice became like deep gusts of wind. I was in a peculiar air. I could see; yet couldn't see anything. Then I was in a soft yellow fog that seemed to dance to the drone of the wind. I went through a layer that was like very soft flesh. Beneath me, it felt as if I was walking on water, but I couldn't see it. The constant feeling upon me was as if I was being misted upon like the weather we used to have for months every year in the northwestern United States. When I finally saw an object, I saw a tetrahedron shaped area that seemed to have bright colored lights. All of its six edges were about nine feet in length. The left quarter was a rich green. The right quarter was of a deep blue. The front quarter was of a red that had a glow much like burning embers. The top quarter was a light yellow. Whenever I stepped into an area, a scene came without sight or sound. I initially entered into the green region. The scene in thought was of a world map with people standing on the area of the map most fitting to their physical type. While staying in tetrahedron shaped space, I moved to the blue area without entering the yellow. The scene that was sensed was of a hidden person grabbing random things as they went by. I went into the red area without entering the yellow. The scenes that moved my spirit were of martyrs dying for a good cause. I was happy at this, because I had a sense of their ultimate success. I entered into yellow floating up till i was no longer in the red, blue, and green at the same time. I felt very heady. The scene that I was aware of was like a head in a giant scallop shell writing things in chalk upon sculptures. I felt a deep sinking as all these things went away. I was left in the dark with a feeling of satiety. An electric blue went over me; in the direction my feet were from my forehead as I lay flat. This happened repeatedly with a strong analgesia. I felt a slow blissful pulsing all over till around 6:06 A.M. Interpreting the Dreams of 23/7/1435 and 20/5/1436: One can interpret the dream of May 23rd, 2014 as a selective remembering of the color and sound that is attributed to the Sixth Plane on the Eckankar God Worlds chart. The first interpretations of the dream of March 11th, 2015 shared here will be the way I think a typical ECKist would explain them. Here, that would center on the Mahanta taking me to and from the main temple of the Invisible Sphere. There, at Alakh Lok, they would say I went to the Tamanata Kop Temple to meet the Sokagampo ECK Master, Tomo Geshig. Eckankar would want you to believe that I sensed the message of the Shariyat Ki Sugmad (The Eckankar bible has two outer volumes and an alleged ten more on the inner planes.); while we were surrounded by the ECK Masters Hari Tita, Hipolito Fayolle,and Chu-ko Yen. Tiger's Fang: An Unmatched Spiritual Journey to the Astral, Causal, Mental, and Soul Planes-and into the heart of God Itself! by Paul
Twitchell gives a similar account of the Fifth Heaven in terms of the mist, golden dancing fog, a velvety feel to a layer gone through, invisible things, silent communication, and a strange atmosphere. I felt no presences, except my own. All the themes and experiences in and around my dream amount to psychedelic matters that I have already experienced before on an individual basis. It would be better to interpret the whole thing is an understanding of the concepts that underlay such things rather than to say I went to a supernatural heavenly realm of pure spirit. Astrological interpretations of my dream of 20/5/1436 seem like a better place to start with most people. The scene of the center point of the tetrahedron was as the constellation Sculptor or The Sculptor. Its meanings here are in the altering or covering up of invented things being done by a symbol of the birth of what is healthy in a detached sort of manner. Innovation is not a sin in Islam as long as it is not changing to rules of what is allowed and forbidden; as well as if a matter is required, recommended, or voluntary. Prophet Muhammad said, "Any new thing which is not a part of The System of Judgement will not be acceptable and will be thrown back upon him." It should go without saying to note that anything good and true is automatically Islamic; whether or not the person who does or thinks it is Muslim. The scenes in the front corner was as the constellation Phoenix or The Firebird. Its meanings here were as self-sacrifice resulting in a flourishing immortality. The scene of the right quadrant was as the constellation Tucana or The Toucan, Its meanings here were as being withdrawn and taking risks whenever one comes out to obtain material things. The scene of the left area was as the constellation Grus or The Crane. Its symbolism here is as the pedigree of humanity. The dance of the soft yellow mist can also be seen as the constellation Grus representing a crane's exotic dance with longevity being in how the wind gusts just kept going on; as did the mist. The whole series of events can be seen as some of the symbolism of Aquarius or The Water Bearer. Here that is how it was in the contexts of a water experience; in which I rejoiced upon what flowed. At times things were a gamble. Then it might be fitting to put parts of the dream through the symbolism of the Tarot. The Venusian symbolism of the Nine of Cups can be seen in the happiness contained in the dream. Its Plutonian meanings can be seen in that the four scenes were but fragments of the issues. That may also be seen in the originality of the sculptor. The Ten of Cups Mercurial symbolism can be said to be in the satiety as the dream ended. Its Lunar symbolism of wellspring can be seen in the feeling of water beneath me and in the overflowing of emotions at times. The tetrahedron is the Pythagorean solid for the element of fire. It can be seen as representing energy and disruption. Being in yellow may just represent the fact that we are in the warming quarter of the solar year in the Northern Hemisphere. It may also mean that the will is to be spiritualized. Further, it may convey that the enjoyable states may need disrupted at times; in order to grow, know, struggle in God's way, and to reflect on purely spiritual realities. The blue in, blue out is as a symbol of the intellect. It indicated that no experience is devoid of needing interpretation. The wind may be better seen as how no experience is recalled in this life without some loss of information than as the sound of the Fifth Heaven. The walking on water is as being connected to the mind and emotions, but taking matters into a higher place. The fleshy layer can be seen to represent the delicate nature of the physical forms. I should be cautious about them as I live a spiritual life that has more then temporal effects. For The Nameless Plane chant Anami Lock (A-na-mee Lock). How is there "several other planes between the sixth world and the Anami Lok" or tenth word when only the Alaya Lok or Endless World, Hukikat Lok or Highest State Soul Generally Reaches, and Agam Lok or Inaccessible Plane are listed? That seems just a few. This hierarchy of god as the same God makes more sense when thought of going into the Ocean of Love and Mercy and realizing Akhsar. One can't go beyond Sugmad or God as a Noun. One may rather think of God one way verses another in another state. The idea of a Tenth World or Having No Name Sphere here reconciles the mention of its sound as Hu and the sound of a whirlpool by having the sound echo out of the whirlpool. The place is described as white, but not the Ocean of Love and Mercy
where "Souls are created." That place which is called the Thirteenth Plane and beyond, elsewhere, is said to be closer to God.
25/7/1435 and 1/6/1436 Dreams: After dusk on Saturday the 24th of May, 2014: I saw a white haze. I performed my last session of this rite between 3:40 and 5:14 A.M. on Sunday, the 22nd of March, 2015 or the ninth and tenth hours of the night of 1/6/1436. I had been seeing peacock colors when I went to sleep to this ritual. Sometimes, this Spiritual Exercise would leave me waking up hearing HU (pronounced like hue) said once or more. That night, I likewise fell asleep seeing myself surrounded by a rich green interlaced with a rainbow of colors. The difference was the euphoric tingling and melting feelings that accompanied it. Then, I saw myself in a bright white place where the surfaces were like angel food cake without the crust. In the middle of this world was a whirlpool spinning at tremendous speed. There was a fuzzy white sphere in the sky. It was much larger in the sky than our sun is in our sky. I cast different shaped pieces with the symbols of the Goetia for the period of Aquarius, or #69-72, 1, and 2, into the whirlpool. The sound of HU spiraled above it. The first sigillum was gray. The remaining sigilia were blue, light green, red with dark green dots, yellow, and dark green. On the first was the sign to have mastery over Decarbia. Then came those to banish Seere, Dantalion, Andromalius, Bael, Agares, and their legions. I likewise tossed the parallel sigilia from the Shem Ha-Maphorash, or numbers 69 though seventy-two, one, and two into the whirlpool. These six were large tin coins. After these twelve were cast forth into the whirlpool, the bright white sphere turned an even brighter turquoise. I followed the sound of HU (God as It) spiraling upwards above me till I realized that I was moving upwards into the vortex above the whirlpool and the fuzzy turquoise sphere at the same time. I found myself in a deep clear blackness. I was there with three groups of blue sapphire cups; two cups before me, ten to my right, and nine to my left. The darkness was as everything other than me and God and as nothing at once. Tremendous breathing sounds were heard and I pulsed with warmth and a sense of power. I awoke with my heart racing and felt far more rested than my sleep hours for that day and those before it would have left me. Interpreting the Dreams of 25/7/1435 and 1/6/1436 One can interpret the dream of May 25th, 2014 as a selective remembering of the color attributed to the Tenth Plane or Ninth Heaven on the Eckankar God Worlds chart. One can interpret the dream of March 21st, 2015 as a projection of the Eckankar sights and sounds of Anami Lok or the Nameless Sphere and the Tenth and/or Eleventh Heaven; all the while not accepting their system of interpretations and beliefs as authoritative. The Eckankar interpretation may be also be that I attained Akshar Realization in one of the many planes past the Sugmad World and Sugmad after becoming one with God. One in the sense of thinking and acting submissively to the will of God, but it would probably be best to interpret it as being entirely psychedelic; as it seemed to have no elements that Rudolf Otto would have definitely called, "ganz Andere (Wholly Other [truly metaphysical)." It was certainly paranormal, though. The experience parallels that found in Paul Twitchell's The Tiger's Fang: An Unmatched Spiritual Journey to the Astral, Causal, Mental, and Soul Planes-and into the Heart of God Itself. The differences include not feeling like I was God and that the spiraling upwards sounds were of HU rather than breathing. The ECKist interpretation of the breathing was that it was the Voice of God, but it might be better to say it was my own breathing remembered in an altered state. The HU spiraled off the vortex above; while the discourse said it bounced off the whirlpool. The whole thing represented supreme achievement in the visual sense and going beyond that.
The whirlpool can be said to represent the past. The vortex can be said the represent the future. The darkness shows how it is virtually unknown. This combined with the sphere is as living an intellectual life that is just as spiritual. The interpretation of the colors of the symbols of evoking and invoking can be, "I cast forth lunar, jovial, venusian, martian with venusian aspects, solar, and more venusian renunciations, and as many aspirations of fixed water. All twelve were under the twelfth of the year attributed to Aquarius; like a month The astrological interpretation includes the Aquarian themes of cup bearer, service, flowing, and exchanging. The decantes of Aquarius can be seen in the dream as original & happiness, revelation or inspiration & satiety, and suppression/oppression & love. As the place was white and gentle, so do I intend to dwell in this body in a ways that are best for its operators; which is connecting to God and creation. Some spiritual laws start off in the unseen as original revelation or inspiration and manifest in the seen worlds beyond suppression and the oppression. Then, with love before me, satiety to my right, and happiness to my left, I went with the star as the Cup Bearer of ECK (Here, it means God as a Verb, or The Holy Spirit Gabriel, or what is spiritual.) into the darkness that was like everything aside from me, the twenty-one cups, and God; while being as nothing at the same time.
Fourth Week: Holy Words Sugmad Either the Spiritual Hierarchy of Ruler of Plane is the same god or it makes no sense to say, "Sugmad (soog-mahd), it is simply the highest God of all." Why else would that only be listed as ruler of Plane Eleven and Twelve; while Akshar is listed as Ruler for Plane Thirteen and beyond. After dawn on Sunday the 25th of May, 2014: I saw a throbbing, textured yellow. Mahanta I am skipping this one as repeating this word seems to be worship of whoever is called it. I am sure that actually knowing Christ or Messiah means still leaves some of us unable to repeat it like the Christians would or such tiles would be repeated in other churches and shrines. Eckankar may say, "We give him respect, but not worship." The non-monotheistic or Christian way that they call him "the Word of God", The Eck made incarnate in the Living Eck Master," the Living Word, the Inner Master, the Outer Master, the Dream Master, and just plain Master should be clear enough to prove Eck Masters are worshiped in Eckankar. That is why its leaders wanted the organization called a church with all that training that would have made clear to them that a church is a kirk or a hero shrine where people worship other than god like a god or gods. Truth It makes sense to dedicate practices to God, if they are worthwhile. I agree about asking God for truth and the implication to be ready for whatever that may be. Given the attribution of day four of week four, the Hukikat Lok or Ultimate Reality Sphere or Eighth Plane is the place to attribute this to. After dawn on Monday the 26th: I saw a throbbing, whirling purple. Wisdom Some systems would attribute scientia or knowledge from external senses or information as preceding sapientia or wisdom from eternal sources. This is the way Eckankar teaches that a soul generally gains before the Ninth Plane called Agam Lok or Unapproachable Plane. This makes sense as a soul's descent from the highest on down. Eckankar teaches that the soul is created higher than the Tenth Plane, but the implied meaning is that knowledge is a lower state and people just don't attain to it before this. After dawn on Tuesday the 27th: I saw yellow sparks in a white cloud.
Travel The implication here is to soul travel; which is really like lucid dreaming for the active and aware role played in it. Would you say it is different from dream travel, astral travel, inner plane projection, or other forms of psychedelic manipulation? Do people really go to heaven or where we will be in the afterlife this way? After dawn on Wednesday the 28th: I saw a neon green cloud fill up my view. Freedom God-Realization is said to result in freedom. This is probably, because when we realize the reality of what god is or spiritual truths, we are able to acquire attributes that attune us to that reality instead of whatever delusions we had. Are wisdom, freedom, and power attributes we are meant to have? It does makes sense to say that God is the most free. Before dawn on Friday the 30th: I saw hot pink waves. Satsang (Sat-sa-ng) The communal satsang classes for learning and understanding texts of a spiritual path seem the most actual of satsang. These are generally around one of the seventeen years of discourses or other member only books. Sometimes they are on books available to the general public. The Eckankar definition extends to any instruction interpreted as being between its leader and an individual. Experiences attributed to being from a class in one of the over 16 alleged Golden Wisdom Temples are also said to be satsang. I'll stick to interpreting my inner dialogue as being primarily psychological. After dawn on Friday the 30th: I saw turquoise ripples in water. Say Love as l-o-v-e or in four syllables for the remaining days of the month. After dawn on Saturday 31st of May till dawn on the 3rd of June, 2014 would be that period for me. I can't help but think of the way love is said in the song This Love by Pantera. Eckankar teaches, "God Itself is Love." Revealed religion teaches love may be for evil, out of balance, or out of ignorance. I would agree with the prophets in saying, "God is Most Loving!" Is love "the final passkey into the Kingdom of God?" It may be essential, but our other emotions should be directed towards submission to god too. I believe it is better to act out love as a verb and attain more to love as a noun. Whether or not you agree that love is the feeling and being behind Eck or Eckankar works; it is an important trait to a spiritual or religious life. After dawn on Sunday, June 1st, 2014: I saw hot pink waves distinct from lavender colored waves. Workbook Activities: Workbook Activity 1 is on page 87 asks why twenty-nine different spiritual exercises. To me, variation is not so much about the possibilities as not being too rigid about doing the same exact thing al;l the time. With spiritual or merely fun things, it can be well worth while. Even the usual practices that I seldom, if ever mention in these papers on Eckankar have variation or are worked in sort of a rotation. I want to remember my dreams; not because I am told it is important, but because it seems like it would be beneficial psycho-spiritually. I identify with the mention in the discourse about no drugs and being open as a dreamer. If nothing else, Eckankar meetings are a place to share some dreams and visions. Workbook Activity 2 is on page 88. They stop mentioning living your usual sleep or other practices as the discourses progress. In the Eck Dream 1 Discourse, the implication is that the reader would have abandoned their other spiritual practices and replaced them with prayers to Eck Masters. Some resist this saint worship for years in the organization, but I don't know if the Second Initiation will force me to quit to not shirk my spiritually. Being an active listener or detail learner can
help people remember dreams, but I don't know if I changed in this when I started years ago. Workbook Activity 3 on page 89 asks what happened when one set aside a dream night. I have always tried to be ready to record or remember whatever comes. Of the twelve pieces of dream advice in this discourse, the last Preparation for Dreams is the one I won't do. It is one thing to visualize, but picturing some person who wants to be my Master and treating him as my intercessor with my soul is a displeasing thought to me. I would recommend the night that starts on Thursday as a dream night. Jews may want to pick the following night or the Sabat. Christians and Vaishnavis may prefer to use Sunday. Workbook Activity 4 makes clear on page 90 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp that even "Higher Initiates in Eck have still to learn" correct judgement. I could understand that people will make mistakes, but how can being a Fifth Initiate or beyond mean lacking in just discrimination? This only makes sense if initiations are not chosen based on mental or spiritual knowledge of the initiator or the authority dictating the initiation. What I bring into this work keeps me open and I credit God and try to find comfort from the symbols and messages of truth that exist whether or not it exists in Eckankar. Workbook Activity 5 on page 90 and 91 goes over the list of Eck Master Wah Z, Rebazar Tarzs, Fubbi Quantz, Taubl Sacabi, Peddar Zaskq, Rami Nuri, and Lai Tsi. I might be comfortable repeating someone's name if they were present, but not to worship them like a deity. It says, "Do these exercises as if feels comfortable." I can shut my eyes and see a picture, but the context of these exercises makes me uncomfortable with all of them. Does remembering a dream or something from the process of going to sleep or waking up mean an act of worship is right for you? Workbook Activity 6 on page 92 and 93 is a set I feel comfortable with. It only asks me to mention seven imaginary temples. Some are based on historical temples Inner plane projection of Faqiti, Katsupari, Gare-Hira, Askleposis, Sakapori, Namayatan, Param Akshar are Temples of Golden Wisdom I am willing to explore even in this context. With all four sets, they ask to check off dream recall and make notes, even if they are thoughts after waking up. Workbook Activity 7 takes the practice to include the day too. I think of these Planes of God in terms of Astral Projection. Sat Kanwal-Anda, Brahmanda Lok, Brahm Lok, Saguna Lok, Sat Nam, Alakh Lok, and Anami Lok are really ideas to project out upon. The projections here include pink & the roar of the sea, orange & the tinkling of bells, blue & running water, violet & buzzing bees, rich yellow & the single note of a flute, soft yellow & a heavy wind, and sheer white & HU. Workbook Activity 8 on page 97 and 98 calls to see if chanting certain words have a noticed effect. Sugmad, Mahanta, Truth, Wisdom, Travel, Freedom, Satsang, and up to three nights of l-o-v-e. I think I'll abstain from the second, but will tell you that we should all be One Who Shows the Way to someone in something. 7/10/1435 Random Passage From Stranger by the River Spiritual Exercise and The Eck Dream 1 Discourse Lesson 5: Understanding Our Dreams Page 100 has an illustration of a little boy sleeping on his belly with his head to the left. This is of the worst positions to sleep in for the body and brain. It is to be avoided. The boy's dream of a meadow with big flowers, a tree, and little flowers in the air is shown. The caption conflicts with Islam and modern science in saying, "Most of us travel in the dream worlds while our bodies are asleep." Science says we all dream, whether we now it or not and Al Qoor'aan speaks of things happening with our soul when we sleep that many are not aware of. Dreams and their realities are taken for granted in an age of not being medicated or a user of recreational drugs is an exception: 5: Understanding Our Dreams I would have to agree that most downplay the importance of dreams, but does that they are often prophetic? I don't know if I have ever encountered an Eckist that would say they were devoid of consciousness besides waking consciousness before joining Eckankar. I find it hard to think of the Eck masters as further along when I hear of the imbalances of Harold Klemp and behavior issues of him and the other living Eck Masters. Who moves through the planes at will except God's angels? If
God is closer to us than our hearts, as Al Qoor'aan 8.24 claims, how can we always be conscious of this aspect of our travels, if we cannot consciously participate in that? Eckankar claims its "spiritual travelers" do such, but contradict this with their stories. Al Qoor'aan 48.4, 18, and 26 mention a sakinah or tranquility for the believers who were active participants in God's kingdom. Eckankar would say we do this through lucid dreaming rather than being a believer who holds to the good thought, good word, and good deed as for all. I am reminded by the opening five verses of Al Qoor'aan Soowrah Annaaaziaeaaayat or 79 that draws the difference between the harsh removal of souls from bodies by unfallen angels or light beings for some and gently for others. More literally this refers to rising and setting in view, floating around, overtaking each other, and fulfilling different commands. While this is more accurately a reference referred to stellar bodies in space; soul travel and dream travel seem to fit right in. Pages 101 and 102 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp include reference to a soul's unfoldment as progressive steps of "unconsciousness, emotional awareness, mental awakening, dream perception, soul travel, self-realization, and God Consciousness." Islam would agree that a foundation needs to be established in order to build on it. In Islam this is belief in God, light beings/unfallen angels/malaikah/devas/ahuras, his revealed scriptures, God's messengers (over 144 thousand to humanity) without inventing distinctions between them nor discriminating inventing differences, Judgement Day, and predestination/divine decree. Eckankar shares Radhasoami beliefs about having a living spiritual master. Finding out with one is the true one of the time and submitting to him is the foundation of the spiritual life in those paths. Does exploring different dimensions of our self for the sake of God require this? Al Qoor'aan and many other sacred text speak of a journey to God with resting places, but the resting place is more of a consciousness and state of being than features of a psychedelic experience. People make mistakes or have pitfalls. What they think of them and their reactions are more important. Julius Caesar and William the Conqueror both fell in front of their soldiers and declared the land they fell in their possession. Souls fall too. Consistency of faith and deeds with get us through. Harold Klemp ignores repentance here on page 103. Are that and asking God's forgiveness and trying to reconcile with creation essential too. The goals of understanding dreams in Eckankar are listed on page 103 as "what they are, where they occur, how they occur, and what place they have in our spiritual lives." As not to make the discourse too high content, the subject of interpretation is said to be tacked in month 18 in Eckankar. Does The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp provide an understanding or interpretation of dreams in itself? Al Qoor'aan 12.36 speaks of people regarding prophet Yuwsuf (Joseph) as the one to interpret his dreams because of his righteousness. If we look back at verse 21 of Soowratu Yuwsuf, God established him physically and in dream interpretations. Are our understandings "well founded in knowledge" as Al Qoor'aan 3.7 says? Eckankar says God leaves information in realms of heaven that we can explore with the right techniques. Dreams can be communications between seen and unseen. If that is entirely true, it is mostly of our own lower soul to our body and mind. Knowledge of the holy must be beyond the wish fulfillment Eckankar focuses on. Al Qoor'aan 81.24 mentions Muhammad, and by extension all God's I fail prophets, as not withholding about the unseen or seeking out secret knowledge of creation their purpose in life. Eckankar teaches that the most advanced people withhold spiritual secrets and all should make seeking out unusual experiences the basis of spiritual life. Harold Klemp was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic after being committed following jumping off a bridge and getting naked at an airport. When we consider that, it makes sense that he would sometimes write things that seem like arguments where most would agree. Such is the mention of dreams being a real part of life on page 104 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. Al Qoor'aan 39.42 implies soul travel for the sleeping is for all. There is the Islamic teaching about a believer being more likely to have true dreams, but not even that is implied to be the domain of the initiated. Is the rest of that verse wrong about it being God and it really being the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master who uses the sleep to inject dreams into our soul till we are enlightened away from fear with love? Fear of consequences of actions is an important motivation in doing right and abstaining from evil. It actually is essential in becoming a Soul at Peace. Fear does not have to detract from the love of God and creation.
Al Qoor'aan 40.46 mentions dreams being shown unto the dead in their metaphysical graves. Al Qoor'aan 6.60 mentions God bringing mortality on the soul in sleep and knowing everything we do after our ultimate return to him. Surely this must include what occurs in the sleep, even when we never remember dreams. The Eckankar teaching is that most people remember dreams from the Astral Plane, unless an initiate of Eckankar. Third and Fourth Circle Eckist are said to recall from the Third and Fourth Planes. Then one could say Etheric Plane and Soul Plane visions and are the domain of Higher Initiates. Is this so? While they are not listed as being only for these, it seems many long time members have more automatic projections of the Eck Masters and Eckankar projections upon consciousness. The attributions of where the dreams occurred are based on these. They are more likely to happen without warning like some schizophrenic crack up, but they accept it to the point that the frantic side never comes into it. Many leave Eckankar convinced it was demonic control that did this too them and Harold Klemp or another Eck Master was a psychic vampire. The Etheric Plane (It is really the fifth, but deemed to be the highest part of the Broad Mental Plane and the only one that is not given it's own plane.) is said on pages 104 and 105 to be the storage place of everything that happens on the physical and astral levels. I can understand how people who lived before computers describe our spiritual records like labeled cards in a filing system, but the Eckankar view of spiritual records seems to literal to be anything but obsolete and wish fulfillment. A forgotten dream is then said to be a failure for a soul to make the connections between the mental or conscious and the etheric or intuitive. I can't help but think that it is implied in the mention of a dream censor is a subtle teaching about who they call Mahanta at the time and not a function of the mind. Revealed religion teaches God doesn't give us more than we can bear. This can be the trail through knowledge of dreams, but wouldn't self-knowledge be an obligation of those without knowledge of established religion? The memory or Causal mind is said to be where the Etheric is supposed to store dream memories only to check them out later. The intellect is then said to look at it there. Is waking It is very rare to be so good at controlling dreams or believing in this so much that we see it like they say. This is counteracted by saying on page 105 that, "From the dreamer's point of view, he knows nothing about the complicated perception, storage, and retrieval system that Soul has established with the three divisions of the mind." This process is their explanation of waking in a daze from sleep. These will not be the only think that the Eckankar corporation commands a conviction of without any faith or knowledge. The Eckist is to just believe by inference from Eck works. Just like he is called to believe this explains why the Astral Plane is the place of most people's dreams, even without actual mention of it in this passage. Harold Klemp on page 106 of his The Eck Dream 1 Discourses teaches Eckankar departs from mainstream psychology on being what the last exemplar prophet taught were the sayings of the lower soul. We do speak to ourselves in dreams and this is what Eckankar focuses on. They try to project them into the category of the true dream, but desires informing imagination is the base of the dreams that are the goal of Eckankar. They also are taught to relish the dreams from devils as Eck Masters helping them burn off karma on the inner. Therefore, bad dreams are taken as better than not having them. Islam differs in the ways it teaches prevention of bad dreams beyond mere better consumption and staying of even minor intoxicants like caffeine. Autobiography of a Modern Prophet by Harold Klemp pages 106-107 teaches the process of dreaming "starts when Soul leaves the body and enters a neutral blue-grey zone that is like a silo" "that is perhaps two hundred feet in diameter and more than two thousand feet deep." Is going further really because of merit? Is that usually through one of the official Spiritual Exercises of Eck? How does the living Eck Master keep his followers from being harmed by the powers of darkness when even they are said to take the guise of Eck Masters by Harold Klemp? Islamic historical accounts have Muhammad say that demons don't take his form in visions, but nothing about him being a protector for the dreamer or visionary. There have been false claims of such not being true, but they always have the person of the vision not resembling the historical descriptions of Prophet Muhammad. Eckankar members are taught to assume they dreams are where their supposed master usually shows them Akashic or Spiritual records, or performs a spiritual healing, or reveals a prophesy. So nonmembers and members who don't worship the Living Eck Master, Paul Twitchell, and the nine hundred and seventy mythological Eck Masters have regular dreams and lack a sound way of spiritual protection. Al Qoor'aan 22.17
reminds us that God will be the one to judge between the believers and those who have the developmental condition of Jews, Sabians, Christians, Magis, and people who misassociate with God without being part of a faith directly based on a scripture with remnants of revelation from God. God. Al Qoor'aan 2.62 teaches that people people have no reason to fear or grieve about, if they believe in God, a Judgement, and live righteously. These Askashic Records are said to be reviewed when going through consequences or karma karma on the outer. outer. The explanation shows how this is just another way of wording the psychological explanation of dreams as reworking conscious life. Modern scientific findings agree that mental blockages can be cleared up in sleep; even when we don't don't remember it. The healing of body, emotions, or mind is not explained separately on page 107, but can be implied through the words viewpoint, attitude, and strengthening in the other two contexts. Prophesies are said to be shown from the Spiritual Substance/Space Substance/Space Records. Al Qoor'aan 85.22 can be used to to say that Al Qoor'aan was part of the actual akashic or Original Spiritual Substance Records. As other scriptures came down from their originals, such such was the same same for this book with prophesies that may be beneficial to all. It is possible that prophetic dreams involve a connection to God's foreknowledge that benefit the individual. Must we credit insight we get as that of a spiritual leader going on spiritual leader finding it and placing it where we can benefit from it? I would think most with even material knowledge of dreams would agree dreams help us out with our our waking life and and that is primary. primary. Most spiritually minded minded people would say that dreams are spiritually important and may lead to more holy experiences. I think that is what they mean by soul travel. travel. Al Qoor'aan Qoor'aan 25.47 25.47 mentions sleep as a time of repose repose and by implication, implication, healing. Most would atheists atheists would agree with Eckankar about healing is a factor factor of sleep. sleep. Psychologist and psychiatrists would tell you that the two other factors here are projections upon consciousness. Is Temples of Golden Wisdom where all twelve volumes of the ShariyatKi-Sugmad (The Way of The One We Seek has two volumes written by Paul Twitchell; the founder of Eckankar.) reside and private audience with the Living Eck Master realities beyond what what we allow to be done to our consciousness? I see enough abrogation amoung Eckankar members and literature to know that the "assurance to dwell in physical and spiritual worlds" may not be gained overall when all five are present. Luke 11.34 is brought up as an analogy referring to the Spiritual Eye or Tisra Til in Eckankar lingo. Even if we leave leave this verses 28-33 and 35-36, this rings true. Some may not have gotten it by that alone, because evil was how they usually usually spoke of physical maladies. I think many who who read this would would disagree that the spiritual sight is from a spot between between and above the eyebrows. That is our perception of vision and the spirit-soul is probably not so physical as to do more than operate the pineal and pituitary. Does the psychedelic experiences experiences that the Eckist and other pseudo-metaphysicians aspire to resides in the centers of the physical body alone? alone? We should be a light that shares of what truth we learned, though. I would certainly certainly think that most most who only read read this discourse of mine will find that awakening to the presence of God and experiencing strange light and sound needs no presence of a living master for it to work. Many will not have the gap in connecting dreams and waking life all on their own without organized religion/spirituality. I will reinterpret three dreams by a Higher Initiate on page 109 of The Eck Eck Dream 1 Discourses Discourses by Harold Klemp. The dream about a gas pump pulling gas out of his gas tank may have really been about him loosing more than he was was gaining from Eckankar. The dream about sailing through fog not knowing where to anchor may have meant he had trouble finding spiritual truth amoung the Eckankar teachings teachings and the light light he saw was other spiritual ways. ways. Maybe, it was religion verses mere mere spirituality. The third and final dream that night was about yelling at one ticket agent at an airport for another one taking a shift change right before serving him. He may have been been complaining about about something that was being done in his outer life life too. Maybe all this was a sign that that his prayer to Harold Klemp to explain the change in his life was misguided. Carol "Poke" Runyon spoke in his Dark Mirror of Magick video how his operations always invigorated him. Page 110 of The The Eck Dream 1 Discourses speaks of how many Eckist like their unusual experiences and then feel worse afterwards. Some of this sounds like guilt. What do they have have to feel guilty guilty for, if Eckankar Eckankar is right in what they teach? Overdoing things physically may cause problems and spirituality should not ignore the needs of the body. Bibliomancy is said said in Eckankar to increase
spiritual stamina. It is really an exercise of mental variety. In Islam, we recite recite different passages of Al Qoor'an and other things to give variety to our Salat or Contact Prayer. There is much to be said inside inside and outside religious communities about what this does does for the mind. Harold Klemp Klemp is right about about moderation. moderation. We should not try to build up in intensity all at once. Satisfaction, piety, and consciousness are said to be the keys to happiness traditionally. Eckankar focuses on dream study and contemplation as the way to to happiness and love her on page 111 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. The story here is about someone who awoke to see little value in indulgence with his possessions decided to do a contemplation contemplation instead. Thinking he heard heard Harold Klemp or Wah Z's voice telling him to light a candle to know what it is like to be on the soul plane touches on a truth that we are living in a metaphysical existence, but fail to make the small shift to pay attention attention to that fact. The hearing it in a familiar voice is based on a memory of what he thought the voice would sound like and what it would say. It often seems like every warm or good feeling or thought is deemed to be love in Eckankar. What do you think think the secret word was that came came with that feeling feeling was and what it it really meant? It is not said, said, but maybe it it has something to do with the radiating outwards from the heart part. Paul Twitchell's Stranger Random Passage Spiritual Exercise: The Easy Way Discourses by Harold Klemp, Lesson 6: Your Initiations in Eck, pages 59 & 60 mentions contemplating on chapter 23 of that book from a quarter to half an hour after reading pages 124-128 or The Trembling of a Star. Can We Live In a World Without Love? or Lesson 8 of The Easy Way Discourses by Harold Klemp pages 79 and 80 calls one to take paragraph 9 of 15 of The Loving Heart from Stranger by the River into contemplation for a third of an hour or the whole of chapter 15; pages 78-81. This time it was to choose a short passage at random.each night asking "the Dream Master to let you understand the underlying spiritual meaning..." If one means God, sure. If one means as they do, no. I do not have grandfather issues that would lead me to pray to someone four decades older than me. People are told to keep a record record and consider it spiritually important. After dawn prayer prayer on June 11th, 11th, 2014 was when when I started with with this. I first flipped around reading reading small bits at random. Pages 130-134 or the 24th chapter was the chapter I read before my first sleep session with this month's Spiritual Exercise of Eck (Yes, it it is redundant, if the word Eck Eck means spiritual in some contexts.). contexts.). I may have chose the chapter "No Greater Love", because 24 was my age when I met the Princess of Cups. For the second period of sleep after dawn, I chose pages 118-123 or the 22nd chapter. chapter. It is called "Freedom." I think think this will be my selection selection for the rest of the the month. Thus far, my sleep sleep has been rather rather blank and the colors coming in and out of it have been rather monochromatic. In the third solar hour, of the fourth day, of the ninth month, in the year fourteen hundred and thirty-five of Al Hijra, I had the following experience between 9:17 and 10:42 A.M. on Wednesday, June 2nd, 2014: I saw a vault vault of pink stars with an expanse of purple purple stars. I threw six spheres spheres through through the air. These had the seals of the Goetia for the period of Taurus for the period of Taurus upon them. They were numbers fifteen through twenty; in sequence. sequence. The first two, the fourth, and the fifth were neon green. The third was a combination of hot pink and neon neon orange. The sixth was neon yellow. A neon blue enveloped me and it was like I was somewhere else. I saw a meadow; meadow; full of orange orange flowers and blue flowers. There were two rabbits fighting with eachother. eachother. Then it seemed like they were flirting with each each other, but something seemed lacking lacking in the female female rabbit. They reconciled and became as one in the silvery moon. That moon was watched by an armored hunter of of old. He was gathering rocks and herbs. Soon he would have to seek out a mate or even travel far to connect with one. A strange sight met him in the wilderness. A stout man riding riding an onyx black black chariot rode across the sky with a she goat, a male kid, and a female kid in his luggage area. This cloud riding chariot was pulled by three strangely colored horses. One was purple. One was orange. The other was green. A white horse circled around them on the right side and a black horse did the same on the left side. The black black and white horses horses stuck to their sides. The charioteer charioteer wore wore a cap like a snake wrapped wrapped three and a half times around his head. His aura was yellow as
he spoke of the the creation of the the Earth and other other earthly matters. matters. I remember not what he said. I awoke much more more rested then my sleep hours in the past day day would typically give me. This seems to be both a progression of the decant of Taurus and the Goetia seals against Eligos, Zepar, Zepar, Botis, Bathin, Saleos, and Purson. Purson. I think I should should read it in terms of Stranger by the River by Paul Twitchell, Chapter 22, Freedom. The first sphere is a symbol of opposition to the evils of war; amongst other things. The second sphere sphere is a symbol against the evils of barrenness and and courtship; amongst other things. things. The third sphere is a sign opposed opposed to the evils evils of reconciling friends; among other other things. The fourth sphere is a talisman for for use against the evils of herbs and stones. The fifth is a sign against the evils of heterosexual love; amongst other things. The sixth sphere is a sign against against the evils of earthly answers; among other things. The decanates of Taurus are Lepus or the hare, Orion or the hunter, and Auriga or the Charioteer. The planetary attributes attributes of Lepus as Mercury and Jupiter can be seen in the orange and blue flowers. The planetary attributes attributes of Orion as Moon and Mars can be seen in the Hunter and the silvery moon. The planetary attributes attributes of Auriga as Saturn and Sun can be seen in the stout man's onyx chariot and his bright yellow aura. His crown was the energy of the seven chakras or the 10/11 sephirot. sephirot. To further understand understand the vision, we can look towards the chapter. chapter. The purple horse was a symbol of love. The orange horse was was a symbol of freedom. freedom. The green green horse was a symbol of humility humility and truth. The white white horse was of purity. The black black horse was of gratitude. gratitude. The she goat was was a symbol of a free and independent independent soul; which provides for the same of mind mind and body. The mind and body were seen as the female and male kids. The couple must go beyond their personal tastes to be people of God. We learn this in the mineral, plant, animal, and human stages of life. 19/8/1435 You think that you want to touch her to accomplish something? All you are is bound to attachment! Do you want to touch her in more than her body? Seek love, freedom, and humility to rise above attachment. Have you ever felt with soul beyond the symbolic affections of the body? Freedom and independence she seeks to bring out in you with her catchment. God has his way. So embrace love, truth, and freedom. freedom. Let her bring out love and purity in you with her adjustments. Perfect body, mind, and soul beyond yourself and actively join God's Kingdom! Don't look to the lower things or return to the past to deserve new chastisement. Workbook Activities: The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp pages 112 and 113 tries to get people to wait for a gift from the leader of Eckankar giving him credit for "an insight, dream, or experience." experience." The real goal of of Eckankar is a scary one, if you think of it. The purpose of Eckankar is to get its members to credit the organization and its Mahanta for anything anything of value in their life. It is one thing thing to say God is in charge of fate, but to place that on a human and call them your Dream Master is another thing. I am fine trusting trusting in God and won't falsely attribute what I figure out to a guru. i won't draw such false associations associations of being gifted either. either. My technique technique to better understand what I read with this month's exercise is the same as the past two months like it. Poetry and prose prose works for me. What works for you? The second workbook workbook activity calls to remember when one has stumbled. What was done? What could have been done? How was it a blessing? I have fell doing good deeds and because of poor coordination, coordination, at other times. None of the times left me anything, but going on. Either by continued effort got me respect or I was was considered brave for doing something right despite the cost. Either way, I was blessed in at least the material world by it. I might have been able to do better, but that time has past and I have to turn to the future. Page 115's third workbook activity is to listen to the sixth track of Excerpts for the Eck Dream 1 Discourses number 6: "The Eternal Dreamer Part 1" from The Eternal Dreamer, Parts 1 and 2, 1988 Eck creative Arts Festival and Chapter 11 of The Eternal Dreamer, Mahanta Mahanta Transcripts, Book Book 7. My personal dream dream worlds are more more of
my own personal projections and the the occasional truly spiritual realm or elements. I try to put it all in a religious/spiritual context through intentions and remembrance, but don't think that makes it all "visits to the higher worlds of God." I do not think metaphysics is such a onion layered existence of just go up and down. Eckankar and some of the Gnostic groups have taken this speaking of heaven too literally. Paradise and Hell realms are not so much as you you want them to be and can imagine them. Dream worlds are largely other views views of what you processed in your waking life. What makes yours different? The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp page 116 has Workbook Activity 2.5.4. I have wondered where my early and other dream experiences occurred. I wonder about what parts of the mind and body body are involved in visions too. I would tell a child about this and I would also mention the holy or metaphysical realms as the place of the rarer dreams and visions. Harold Klemp would would have you try to use a technique technique like active imagination to recall forgotten dreams "from the Causal mind and replay it." The difference is that it is used as more of a making it up from from scratch in the context of prayer to whom Eckist call the Living Eck Master. I wouldn't mind praying to God to remember things, though. Workbook activity five of lesson five on page 117-118 is to review the quote from Autobiography of a Modern prophet by Harold Klemp to identify what is familiar. I have seen blue-gray areas and other colored areas in dreams and visions. visions. I know enough about the psychedelics of the mind to realize starry, pastoral, winds, tunnels, and bright landscapes do not mean I am in different Planes than the Physical Plane. The next workbook activity is on the next page and I can recognize knowledge of my spiritual past, spiritually based healing, and prophesy in dreams without praying to a creation to help me figure figure it out. What is your dream? dream? What is is your understanding? Page 120 has workbook activity seven. I don't like to use to term term Wah Z to refer to Harold Klemp. Out of the five ways listed, the projections upon consciousness of Golden Wisdom Temples full of Eck Masters (There have been 970 mythological ones and 3 historical Living Eck Masters called Mahanta during life in the physical body.) teaching Eckankar Books and the projections of private discussions with the leader of Eckankar are the only two unique things of the "five ways Eck Study of dreams gives an advantage advantage in life." Do those ways give give an advantage? I could could see how imaginary imaginary journeys into Eck Temples could be of benefit without idolatry, but the second I list is not one I'd like to explore. Would you pick one of these two two or looking at dreams as having insight to regular life or how dream work leads to more purely spiritual realities or the healing provided by God in sound and light? Workbook Activity 2.5.8 is on page 121. It implies that this month's spiritual spiritual exercise can be used to understand other discourses and books. It provides another place to put the page number of the reading (or other context), its' meaning, and dreams. I would highly recommend sourcing understanding, understanding, or fiqh fiqh as it is called in Arabic, whenever possible. Context of unusual experiences is not only only important to those who would want to recreate yours and its circumstance, but may form an important basis for explanations. I started with pages 130-134 or the 24th chapter of Stranger by the river as part of my bedtime practice after my experience between 9:17 and 10:42 on the 2nd of July until I went on on retreat on the the 17th of July, 2014. When Ramadaan was was over and we were observing `Iyd Al Fitr (Holiday of Ending the Fast [the first three nights and days of the 10th 10th month Al Hijrah), Hijrah), I picked up this practice again. No Greater Love is the title of the chapter I read before sleeping till my experience between 7:31 and 10:50 A.M. PST on Friday the 1st of August, 2014 or the 2nd-4th solar hours of 4/10/1435. I had felt like something relevant was happening in my sleep after reading this chapter several several times. times. finally, when when I thought it would escape me, i remembered. I felt very well rested and strangely strangely powereful. i felt a sinking sinking until my body in my bed was no longer felt and I didn't see in the manner of a person laying with his eyes shut. I walked till I came upon a flat top above its lower peak after a dip. Clockwise, around the sides, near the top was the Shem Ha-Maphorah sigils for the period of Taurus or numbers 15-20 in ruby. This was above the blue cloud around the mountain.
There was a giant bull there under a tented booth holding open conversations and hoping to convince others. Later, he went to a different area to teach a class that sat at tables. A third thing he did was was to supervise people at easels. They each each painted different things. A giraffe led a dance dance that seemed symbolic, somehow. A computer had a swordfish screen saver, but I knew I did not have access. I noticed a dove and followed it into the north. north. It landed on a restoration cross (what the cross type is, not what I believe about the symbol) with the word Omnipresent on its circular rim within the boundaries of the cross. Its up-down bar had Omnipotent written with the letters in their regular slant; reading starting at the top. Its left-right had the word Omniscient; Omniscient; in the same manner, if you tilted to the right to read them. The blue cloud on the mountain lifted. I could see a funny-looking wooden ship with a large compass compass that could be seen from afar. The stem and keel were also rather distinct. The waters it sailed in were strangely colorful; like oil on water in the sun. We went west and came upon a land where we saw chameleons. chameleons. We then went east till we reached reached a place with lynxes in the distance. We continued another way and saw a flying flying fish along the the way. There was a small rocky slang where a couple was chained chained to the rocks. rocks. They fought fought six sea serpents. serpents. I felt like trying trying to save them. They were trying, but he seemed better at it Finally we entered entered into a valley valley between civilizations. civilizations. A big dog led led a little dog who was riding riding a unicorn there. i walked alone when these three creatures were out of sight. There was a castle shrouded by a red cloud. I went inside and found a room like a pearl pearl with the softest softest bed with a curtain around it. The Shem HaMaphorash sigils for the period of Gemini or numbers 21-26 were counter-clockwise upon the sides of the bed in lapis lazuli. Two were on each of the long sides. The guardian was a voluptuous woman with with a golden cord. cord. She was strangely dressed. I could not see the mate for me that I knew was was there. When I went outside outside with my bride, we saw a wall open up to reveal a treasure. My Interpretation of this Dream: This is sort of a dream of the fifth and sixth numbered Tarot cards as Eck Vahana/ Eck Arahata/Giani Marg (Eckankar Missionary, Teacher, and Eckankar Arts) and Lovers/Soul Mates. The constellations of the first first card are are Mensa (Table (Table Mountain) and the Large Magellanic Cloud, Taurus (The Bull), Pictor (the Easel), Camelopardalis (the Giraffe), Dorado (the Sword Fish), Columbia (the (the Dove), and Volans Volans (the Flying Fish). The constellations constellations of the second were Carnia (Argo Navis's keel), Puppis (Argo Navis's Stem), Pyxis (Argo Navis's Nautical Box), Chamaeleon (the Chameleon), Lynx (the lynx/tiger), Volans (the Flying Fish), Canis Major (the Big Dog), Monocerous (the one horned), Canis Minor (the Little Dog), and Gemini (the Twins [also as the Woman). Woman). The blue could was as the this this happened under the twelfth of the year that is listed under Gemini. The red cloud could be of how I was focusing on the period for Taurus. The bull is a symbol of abundance and and drought. One can be productive in the sharing towards either. either. The giraffe is a symbol of support and a firm belief in clear creeds that forms an axis to operate around. around. The swordfish is is about being direct. I am limited in my confidence and effectiveness, but I must go go and try. The dove is a symbol of light beings/unfallen angels and messenger/exemplar messenger/exemplar prophets that point us towards towards God; who is transcendent. transcendent. The chameleons were a symbol or be ready ready to take on different outer appearances appearances and actions. actions. We have to learn how to be be discrete like a chameleon or lynx or tiger. When approaching a unicorn in a fanciful scene with dogs, one encountered a flying fish and that is a symbol of being out of one's element. This must be the the false truths and comparative truths that are ways from the House of God as chapter 24 of Stranger by the River by Paul Twitchell mentions. The preaching, teaching, and arts are passionate and active matters. Both lovers and soul mates mates need a touch of of passivity and indifference. The journey continues from there and we realize we are not the material, but that is the vehicle of consciousness and the the spirit-soul operates operates that. I am willing to to lay down my life to save another, but I must leave some behind to do their own work. The House of God is accessible to soulmates and other pairs who appreciate the fullness of life and the feminine for the sake of God. There are the same spiritual heights heights that can only only be reached with a helpmate. Value is realized that may go unnoticed unnoticed when without a
spiritual twin. The body is the way home. Salvation through knowledge and love of God and his ways is available for even those who must travel the path alone. My 19/8/1435 Explanation of Stranger by the River, Chapter 24, No Greater Love: Why should a chief spiritual master attend to the grave markers of the spiritually dead? A marker of first aid forms the marker at each head. I was twenty-four with her that April and did not dread. The sun shown briefly upon Earth. Joy of spiritual heights was in sight of the dearth. I would have layed down my life to save yours; for what it's worth. I continue to explain for her what is my berth. Seek out knowledge and love like rare earth elements. From falsehoods and partial truths, make embarkments in your philosophizing. Ride the spiritual current in you by affirming. Like a divine mint, God is baptizing (See Al Qoor'aan 2.138). Look behind the scene and find out that all the highest qualities reside in God and those come down out here. So give up on the finite in order to grasp some of the infinite grace, mercy, and manifestation of Sugmad (The One We Seek Out)! Hold tight to the rope of the Omnipresent, Omnipotent, and Omniscient (See Al Qoor'aan 3.103). Let our hearts be reconciled and illusion disappear! 14/9/1435 I Dream of You Mahanta, May the Blessings Be & The Eck Dream 1 Discourses Lesson 6 Page 124 has an oriental lady wearing a shirt with a design like one of those Chinese/Japanese drawings of a flowing tree with a moon. She sits on a chair or bench with clouds and music notes behind her. Her forehead shines. We have a solar symbol on her head and a lunar symbol on her right breast. The message I get is she puts out music and tranquility while accepting the nature and beauty of night. One can find beauty and tranquility in all sorts of things. One can also endow a practice with qualities of nature and peace, but that doesn't mean that is automatic or even the sort of those things we should seek. Lesson 6: How to interpret your Dreams It must be a good things to see dreams as an in integral place of one's broad spiritual life. Just as the introduction to The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp hides the truth that you get more out of t Spiritual Exercises of Eck than you could from the secret discourses, here implies the same thing about working harmony into life via dreams, but we know that we can use our dreams to find harmony between us and the physical vehicle we inhabit without any Mahanta as an intercessor even existing. A person is put together artfully out of different things. Dreams do help us understand the depths and layers of being. Dream study can continue to yield new information for the rest of your life, but ultimately the reason why the information in the discourses is spread out involves the diluted content typical of Eckankar writings. Those who have read my commentaries on the Eck Works may have notice that I have to draw from other material to even make what I say on the addressed issues even a tenth of the length of the discourses. The purpose of Eckankar Interpretation of Dreams is to form a bond between the Chela (Eckankar Initiate) and Mahanta (the human head of Eckankar) as if they were interacting in person. Is that something you wish to convince yourself of? The Mahanta teaches by example in reality by sharing from letters to him and other readings. Every other grandfather does it just as well, I think. There is no need to regard someone as a prophet, give them an extreme expense account, treat them as a powerful god, and help them acquire millions of dollars for it. It is okay to admit that dreaming isn't time travel and the only human that can make you dream is yourself.
The story on pages 126-128 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp seems to be an example of seemingly blind obedience against all better judgement. The claim attached to it was that Harold Klemp or Wah Z gave two people the experience of watching the first of the Knight's Templar train their horses by the command of a trainer. This step-by-step instruction was compared to the gradual release of information by the Master of Eckankar on page 127. I would think most people know that skill, wealth, and power tend to be things that build up in individuals and organizations rather than being usually just acquired. When unquestioned obedience despite personal objections to some ways works out in one area, does it work it another where one doesn't know the outcome? The Knight's Templar surely grew till Friday the 13th in 1307. We know Phillip the Fair was their enemy, but who is the enemy and the battle field of the two Eckists mentioned on page 128? It is a Buddhist enemy of the five passions of the mind. They are anger, greed, lust, vanity, and attachment. Some of these may always be a problem, but must all of them be? Anger can be at what is wrong and not misused. Greed can be the hard striving to take on good deeds and thoughts. This doesn't have to be extremist. Lust can be only directed to what is righteous and fair. Pride like selfishness is not a good trait and is partly delusion. Being attached to the right beliefs and the correct practices is a good things. One's state of being depending on current material connections is not. In Eck is a phrase that means an Eckankar member in the context of page 128. I do agree that most think dreams are not as tied to reality as modern science tells us, but I would have to disagree with saying that every inner experience is a visit to a world as real as any out here. All experiences in life are deemed to be those of soul or nafs in Islam. Our Spirit or ruwh communicates through most of these according to Islamic belief. That is a higher aspect of ourself that Al Qoor'aan 17.85 teaches is an affair of God that humanity is given relatively little knowledge of. Most teachings on the spirit and soul are very vague and it is truly something holy to know rather than just believe that you are/have either instead of just being the body and/or mind. Some Islamic commentators would agree with how Harold Klemp teaches we live in higher realms while we are here on the physical. Of the nasuwt is both the scientifically verifiable universe and the metaphysical aspects of the souls in creation. The fallen and unfallen angels are different types of creation that intertwines with the seen realms. If this can be said of the jinnuwt and the malakuwt, what can be said of the Lahuwt or the Eminence of Divinity that is how God is manifested in creation. God's Essence is not something we can say anything about, besides such things that let us know it is not limited by space, time, or matter. Eckankar would at times lead us to believe that things are more vague and even that creation is part of God. There is a story of someone meeting the leader of Eckankar in a dream on pages 129 and 130 of the Eck Dream 1 Discourses. The state they call God-Realization was the goal in life for the initiate who dreamt of himself as having a sickly aura like unto Wah Z or Harold Klemp. Harold Klemp admitted that the initiate was better off. Rebazar Tarzs, the space alien who took on a Tibetan appearance, discoursed there on what it is to be godlike. I would think self-divinization would be central to what is called delusions of grandeur. People can remind people of God's perfect attributes. Would you rather agree with Al Qoor'aan 112.4 in how God is "not like anything in anything?" The mountains of the Hindu Kush-Himalayan and Agam Des in the story seems and analogy to the mythical Mountain of Agam Lok where Eckankar teaches people go to be God-possessed and thereby become the God-man of the time. Realizing God is Omnipresent is a higher realization that understanding God as being in you. Wouldn't it bring a person to the lowest spiritually, if they thought themselves to be as a god or "the Eck made flesh?" Being offered a coat, shirt, or other garment is important in paths such as Sufism in terms of authority and tokens of advancement. The Eckankar teaching about harm not coming to souls is conflicted by unpleasant cold being part of the experience shared here. I would hope none of you would be shaky in the vision state and fear death as this man did. That is the implication of the idea of facing death at the Master's bequest. Or is it just Harold Klemp's justification of his own crazy behavior like jumping off a bridge into freezing water, provoking workmen, and getting naked at the airport? God-Consciousness is a struggle to attain and maintain, though. Why should the ways of spiritual survival be secret teachings of Eckankar? Page 130 implies that there may be no Eckist who know Sugmad or God as a Noun, so. Isn't the leader an initiate as he claimed to have the fourteenth
initiation in the 1990s? He is right about how no one can do your spiritual tests so you can advance spiritually. Those two things should be enough to form a realization that Eckankar does not bring anything unique to spirituality that would be of a greater spiritual authority or greater advancement than one's own understanding and experience. Spiritual dreams may need no interpretation, but I think you would agree that I have shown value in interpretation of it. The Catholic Church teaches there are still somnia a Deo missa or dreams sent by God. Even those dreams of revelation that are part of revealed scripture to an exemplar or messenger prophet or the inspired speech that they give forth could use interpretation. Especially the compiled works of men or those who have a less universal role in society could use interpretation of even the most spiritual of experiences. The point that they can be understood on their own should be an agreeable point. Dreaming about an Eck Master or thinking one did is the criteria in Eckankar for what was definitely a spiritual dream. Our dedication should be to Eck, if this means God or even if it just means what is spiritually best in that context. What is the difference between a projection upon consciousness and a real spiritual being? Eckankar doesn't teach us here and is vague in other of its materials I read. If Eck-Vidya mean spiritual knowledge, it would encompass more than we can fathom. Our spiritual condition would surely be in there. The Eck Dream ! Discourses by Harold Klemp mentions on page 131 how spiritual masters are required to set people free, but one is sworn to the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master as Inner Master, Outer Master, and Dream Master instead of directly accountable to God until one is made the new Eck Master. It seems like Eckankar would detract from the spiritual freedom of direct relation to God without partners as much as any polytheist path. I would think the seeing of how others perceive you in a dream is more of a dream of the personae or concept of public image rather than a guru making you dream things. A dream by an Eckist about a temporary job as a busboy was deemed to be such an Eck-Vidya dream. He dreamt that his old spiritual leader was telling one of his followers that he was mad at someone who quite his path. People may have encouraged good or truth or discouraged evil, but people's deeds are their own choice that will be to their merit or demerit to do on their own. People can survive spiritually without a particular living spiritual leader, now a days. The old master told the dreamer that he was willing to help where Eckankar failed. Did the dreamer know that Eckankar did not have all the truth and good things of his old path? The dreamers love for the old path had turned to hate and demonization. A psychologically minded person would regard it as paranoia and psychosis when page 131 says, "The Dream Master may use your dream state as a screen upon which others project their feelings about you." Not only is the Eckist taught to worry about others putting thoughts and feelings into them and making them live them out, but that their very own leader may help them at it. Some spiritual protection arrangement that is! Isn't the rejection of Kal Niranjan or God Over Time Beyond Fear the real negative force in life? His former master wanted his name displayed and Harold Klemp likes his name and titles displayed as well. If the old master thought of him as beneath him, what does Harold Klemp really think of his worshipers? The initiate of Eckankar or Eckist comforted himself by invoking "Wah Z, Rebazar Tarzs, Fubbi Quantz, and Yaubl Sacabi" for help instead of trusting in God for help. A second type of Eck-Vidya dream is the dream where problems of this life are projected upon the concept of a past life. Surely we may dream of what can only be about the past, but I have heard of no tale that would require this belief to make it true, if it was detailed enough. People want to be more important than what they are in this life, but confidence in life and a sense of importance in what one can do doesn't need it. I have heard people tell me how belief in reincarnation made them fear death more. They would rather just try to do well and leave it at that rather than keep going through it. Like other experiences, Eckist are encouraged to take the current Mahanta over Eckankar as their Inner Master whom they credit with having the experiences that are interpreted as past-life memories. Harold Klemp thinks he lived in the fortress city of mythic past in Lemuria. Page 133 describes a mastodon with light greyish blue skin that was a war machine. He was scared as these beasts tore down the fort and he hid at the side of the fort away from the attack. A puzzling aspect of the story is the mention of livestock pins by the middle of the building. He died being caught by three enemy officers
before he could get to the safety of the trees. How silly is the idea of elephant like beasts breaking up stone buildings with their trunks? Wouldn't it hurt to be stabbed to death, even though a dream of such included no pain and the end of fear of attack? Page 134 mentions there is no symbology in this and just to accept it as his visit to the Causal Plane to retrieve a past life memory. Symbolically this is much how Al Qoor'aan 4.78 mentions how death how death comes to even those in high and sturdy fortresses. Harold Klemp dreamt that he slept on the side away from the attack only to awake at dawn anyway. Lust like the passage that verse was from, Harold Klemp saw himself as one fleeing from the struggles of life and unsafe even in the cold, quiet of the early morning. The Door's song Texas Radio and the Big Beat mentions, "No eternal reward can forgive us now for wasting the dawn." Was he wasting the dawn on purpose? Would he find the comfort he seeks in the dawn by some other methods? A lack of fear of death can give you a confidence. So can understanding that their are solutions to problems. Shouldn't we be careful to ground our confidence in what we know rather than speculations? Death is inevitable and we go on. Few spiritual paths would disagree with that. Gratitude and happiness are to be sought out in life. Some people do this by trying to simplify their dream stories. I would think it is more important to be accurate and detailed at the start instead of making things simple to start with and trying to think out more detail later. The Eckankar way here seems prone to false memory and self-deceit. Eckankar admits that most of its teachings are your life. This is no living book concept of traditional religion. That implies most of the good in the path are your own teachings not its own. The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp says, "Only the smallest portion of truth is ever given in the outer writings." According to others, the inner Eckankar writings hardly give any real information that the public works do. It may be true that we shouldn't wear our thoughts out on symbolism all the time, but that doesn't mean the focus should be on unquestioning obedience who admits to withholding guidance. I would have to agree that one's own life is what we should be looking for an understanding of. Shouldn't a path for today to a jest of all righteousness and truth? Singing, "I dream of you, Mahanta, May the blessings be." The spiritual exercise of month eighteen in Eckankar membership is to sing before sleeping. I am not comfortable with the concept of singing, "I dream of you, Mahanta. May the blessings be." It seems fine to say, "May the blessings be." This works generically and for greeting whatever is present. In that context, it is misassociation with God as it is calling to one no present more so than when people talk to graves. To speak to a spiritual figure that is not there physically as in conversation is worshiping them as a god. I guess the second sentence makes people feel like they are only giving him respect as that would be respect if he could hear it. Out of acceptance, one can also say, "May the blessings be." Workbook Activities Page 136 and 137 has the workbook activity 2.6.1. I figure that people would imagine the author of a lot of books is reading it to or with them. This practice of imagining Harold Klemp inviting me to this seems silly to me. As much as people in Eckankar are taught to believe there is a secret rhythm in the discourses, the implication of him revealing wonders is more like personal revelation unto you. This enforces the false belief that Eckankar is headed by a Godman. People may pretend that there is some Dream Master giving them special insights about one's dreams or self, but I do not think my discoveries in those compartments have anything to do with anything unique to Eckankar. The second year, sixth month, and second workbook activity is on page 138 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I wouldn't like to see how the leader of Eckankar teaches, because I know that the Eck program trains people to put a Mahanta or Way-Shower as central to their dreams and their interpretation. Again I would ask people to first ask from God and not never ask people who are not their to show them things. I will say my recent gains with Spiritual Exercises of Eck are in knowing how to work that specific context. I don't notice any sudden changes. My different
reactions have to do with a smoother way through my opposition to fanaticism, sophism, and extremism in some groups. The third workbook activity is on the next page. Many of us would agree that many dreams and visions are experiences that are part of the real world. Everyday life can use interpretation of events too, but some things are just fine as is. I would hope that the number of Eckist (Eckankar members or practitioners) who take the current Eck Master as an imaginary friend is less common than perceived. It relates to me in my unfoldment in the way that I am in better shape physically than Harold Klemp was forty or even more years ago. I would hope my mental and spiritual energy has not faded to become more like him. If I could meet him and ask about these matters, my questions to him would be, "Isn't the aura in a dream of the spiritually and mentally healthy strong not weak? What does that say about you?" The Workbook Activity around the seventh audio excerpt is on page 140. I decided to listen to Excerpts for the Eck Dream 1 Discourses an average of more than once a month for the second year in Eckankar, but I decided that I wouldn't listen to it in Ramadaan (Month 9) or any of the Four Sacred Months (1, 7, 11, and 12). If an Eck-Vidya (Spiritual Knowledge) dream is about your spiritual condition and shows how things are effecting your life, how is this any different than the typical playback of external influences than runs through typical dreams taken outside a spiritual context? I try to never intend any secular experience. Then any review of influence has a direct bearing on my spiritual condition. Workbook activity 2.6.5 is on the following page. When I picture myself as an Eternal Soul, I feel like the temporary hardships matter little and it affirms a purpose that extends past this life. I won't ask a guy who has never been there to help me be confident. I shall try to share something tonight with others to express Confidence of Soul. The sixth workbook activity is on page 142 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I typically let go of a dream after I have tried to thoroughly interpret it, but going back a month can help to gain insight. Going back through what one deems as sacred texts can bestow something on you. Contemplating on past dreams are not a way for a created Master to trying to show you something about your life. They are you figuring out matters on your own, with God's permission. The final Workbook Activity of this lesson is on the next three pages. The implication here in the seventh Workbook Activity is to unquestionably accept the guidance of the teacher of Eckankar despite any repulsions. That does not sit well with me. Harold Klemp is my teacher as far as heading an accredited program. Thus far, I do not have to accept him as he wants accepted to advance. Instead of sharing my dreams here, I will share them as they relate to a past Eck Discourse or Aetikaaf 1435. If God so wills it, I will share those in their respective papers. I have no intention to cut down Spiritual Exercise 2.6 to sing something like, "I dream. May the blessings be." 12/12/1435 Look and Listen For the Light and Sound of God With a Few HU & The ECK Dream 1 Discourses Lesson 7 The opening picture has what I presume Harold and Joan Klemp (She used to have the last name Cross till Harold Klemp had her renamed like property just like John Jenkins did to her.) standing before concentric circles of radiating light. A woman in the foreground lies on her right side before bird filled clouds. She sits reading a book in between the two scenes with a bird above her right shoulder. Sleeping on one's rights side is a symbol of balanced personality and was called sihasana or the Lion's posture. In accord with the quote about three ways dreams influence while in Eckankar, we have the scenes illustrated. The alleged Master and his Inner Secretary are the symbols of direct guidance. The radiation behind them is a symbol of protection from them. Do they really protect us and guide us like that? The woman reading is probably the actual direct guidance. What quality of guidance does he actually give? The woman laying there among nine birds is a symbol of assurance in that because of her peaceful rest and the nine birds being a symbol of spiritual council. Her insights and intuition are her own for her study and experience. People deserve credit for what they teach, encourage, or discourage. We do deserve credit for our own experience and expounding of these, though. Lesson 7: Dreams in Our Daily Life
I would agree with what The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp has to say on page 147 about having a greater recognition of our inner life by developing a habit of recording dreams and impressions. Is the design of the Spiritual Exercises of Eck (short here for Eckankar, but they want you to think it means revealed through The Holy Spirit) to slowly open you outer and inner awareness? The clarification of what they mean is before the end of the page in saying it is to make you feel like "the Mahanta is always teaching you" even when what you recall is not clear. It seems the people in Eckankar seem to have less and less actual clarity in their lives as things progress, if they maintain belief in Eckankar. Instead of interpreting blue phosphenes and the subtle sounds as physical and psychological phenomenon, members are asked to call it Light of ECK and the Sound Current like it is something different entirely. Is the sound Eck? Sounds may not be static and God may be known through sound, but does page 148 really mean to equate that with God? Eckankar wants credit for anything spiritual that happens to its members, except the suicides and the acts that get them negative attention. A woman who dreamt about crushing her bottle of muscle relaxants was said to get direct guidance as an answer to her letter for a dream on how to heal her back when medication and treatment were not working. How can a frail man who is often confined to his home cause people to have dreams? Intuition and projections of assurance of alleged involvement in one's personal life are the other two ways that Eckankar says the dreams of its members are seen in daily life. Wouldn't the third part be delusion? I don't want that. The Art of Spiritual Dreaming by Harold Klemp repeatedly calls people to think that the ECK Dream 1 & 2 Discourses and the 15 other formal discourses are Advanced Spiritual Study. The Art of Spiritual Dreaming and others seem to actually go deeper than the discourses in concepts and in the details of stories. The Eck Dream 1 Discourse by Harold Klemp, page 148 may have this list of three sorts of dreams of Eckankar members, but The Art of Spiritual Dreaming by Harold Klemp page 122 has a lit of eight types of dreams by members. These "are (1) daydreams; (2) initiation dreams; (3) dreams of intrusion; (4) dreams of release of fear; (5) the waking dream; (6) the Golden-tongued Wisdom, which is part of the ancient science of prophecy, the ECK-Vidya, (7) dreams of understanding; and (8) dreams with the Mahanta... " These Mahanta dreams are an interpretation of what one doesn't think fits another category as being a visit from or to the current corporate head. This type also includes Eck Masters, Golden Wisdom Temples, and other projections on consciousness that members often program into themselves or let others brainwash them into seeing. Al Qoor'aan 68.51-52 is used as a prayer against the illusory projections of disbelievers that can be said as a means of protection against hallucinations and undesirable sights of the unseen. I can't help, but think that ECK is spelt like that as a acronym for something. What could each letter stand for? The meaning placed on the word is so varied and it is difficult to tell exactly what is meant by Eck. Golden-tongued Wisdom is pareidolia or seeing patterns and connections as clear or significant The other Eck-Vidya practices include apophenia or seeing patterns or connections where there are none. Another story mentions how a couple wanted advice on moving a number of states away in order to live somewhere bigger, but didn't want to separate from the local Eckankar community. There isn't any mention of anything that can be called "direct guidance by the Mahanta," but that is how their son offering his house with a garden for them to rent as he was moving to another Air Force base, because of a promotion. It was what they wanted, but they needed a strange dream to convince them to move that summer. The wife had a dream of a large sphere of fluid that was faintly golden. She left her home in it and ended up thinking they could be within the sphere no matter where they went. The interpretation of this being their part of love of Eck (Eckankar) seems sound, but the lack of solidity and the faint color implies a diluted spirituality without a base in physical realities. Should her perceptions from the view as a soul have taught her that Eckankar is a mix of baseless speculations and partial truths? People should be open to be surprised by learning or getting something we would have wanted in an unexpected way. Such was the dreams between 2 and 5 A.M at an Eckankar seminar by an Eckankar member. She intended to awake at 5 to finish composing a song. She woke up to contemplate what lesson each dream had before going back to sleep. Her alarm didn't turn on and she awoke at around the time she intended to. She was awakened by her roommate snoring instead. Was her disturbed
sleep a special gift or a sign not to finish the song? The guidance of the dreams she had is unknown to the reader. It is safe to say that these dreams offered little to lead people to think Harold Klemp or one of the previous Living Eck Masters was ever anyone's Dream Master. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp page 151 relates three dreams where someone was said to have insight to their development. Eckankar Seminars have been in hotels or have involved a deal with the Hilton or another hotel to attract Eckist to stay there during a seminar held in the locality. Does this make dreaming about watching clowns in a hotel lobby mean that Eckankar members were a joke to her in what they were doing? She seemed to get the message of the clown who traveled to spread cheer to not take herself as seriously. Can't being serious be just as good of a way to develop or help others feel better? Her dream of caring over a plot in a communal garden may not have been to passively let others fail around her while she could help. Eckankar members often have an elitist thought that those who don't consider themselves Eckist are not even spiritual and are bound to fail in life. The dream about missing out on a gift of an apple, because of being distracted on a street, only to have a similar opportunity to receive an apple may really be about overlooking spiritual gifts that others are the means for. Could it be a way out of Eckankar? She knew she was to try to be more aware of something. The same page and page 151 tells of the dreams of another woman's dream about someone trying to mentally control her. She had bad moods and was quite irritable. In desperation, she tried to submit to the Mahanta or the Spiritual Leader of Eckankar as if he was a good for a couple weeks. She didn't notice the same darkness "and the ECK again flowed through her." The God-possessed talk of Eckankar and Eck in such contexts sounds more like demons from the fire beings/fallen angels/jinn/asuras/devas/faery to many of us who were raised upon one fo the prophet of God based religions. The night after starting this practice she dreamt about traveling home from an Eckankar seminar with a friend. In the dream, she hopped out of the driver's seat to nap while the car drove itself. Could this be a dream of Eckankar being a relatively reckless spiritual path; despite it seeming to have all the desired functions at a rate that could be handled at the time? Harold Klemp's interpretation on page 152 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses is along the lines of letting him take over decisions for the person. Another dreamer dreamt about showing guests a room that she forgot. Plants were hanging from the ceiling that had grown in a deformed way. A skinny cat lived there that merged into the thick cat that lived downstairs after angrily knocking over an ashtray. This dreamer was in Eckankar for a few months during when Darwin Gross was the only one called Living Eck Master. She rejoined fourteen years later. In her forgetting her spiritual side, she picked up smoking. I would agree about her developing spiritually in an odd way due to not paying attention to it. I would also agree with the idea that quitting recreational drugs would help her to put her physical and spiritual sides in agreement with each other. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp pages 153 and 154 mentioned someone who dreamt of "rock climbing on El Capitan in Yosemite National Park in California." He was perched on a narrow ledge when he realized he had not secured his rope to any of his pegs the whole way. He clung for dear life till the cliff gave way. He flew to where he could rest comfortably on the mountain and watched the events. Rest Points in Eternity is what Eckankar calls the places of detachment where we review things. Is the better interpretation to look at progress in Eckankar as not having a firm grounding in actual spiritual authority and that is what he became aware of? One mother had a dream during a troubled time in her life. She dreamt that her son pointed out that Harold Klemp was riding in a car behind hers. In the dream Harold Klemp urged her to follow him. Is it a good idea to turn around and follow one who is not quite as far down the road as you? Another dreamer dreamt about dogs entering her home by force. Her housekeeper urged her to chant. She dreamt that she chanted HU (like Hugh or hue) till her husband woke her. The HU chant was as an exorcism of negative influences for her. Why would negative things be able to intrude upon her in nightmares, if a Mahanta could really protect a dreamer? People try for something called God-Realization in Eckankar, but are often too impatient. Paul Twitchell once tried to have God-realization by a particular day, but nothing unusual happened. The reference to it being a "the high consciousness" on page 155 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp makes sense under having a
correct comprehension of what God is, but that is not the implication that they want you to have. They want people to think anyone they call an Eck Master not only completely understands God, but becomes a god or God-man. That would make them essentially as Omniscient as God and that would imply that they are Omnipresent and Omnipotent; as well. The idea of multiple figures like that has a number of logical problems. Should your concept of God-Awareness only be about living with the idea of God existing? Someone set a goal to be God-Realized in their twelfth year in Eckankar. Was his loss of material and social well-being before the two months were up a sign of his failure? People only let themselves down, not the voices they trained themselves to hear in their head. The voice reminded "the twelfth anniversary of the day he had joined Eckankar" was only eleven days ahead. He felt better that day and took a bike ride. He thought Harold Klemp was talking to him through a child that admired his bike. Is this Golden-Tongued Wisdom anything, but the free association of the mind? He thought his mother looked like a Gypsy from the group of "travelers" mentioned on the news. Should people attribute any of these associations in waking life or in dreams to a Mahanta or Way-Shower giving them even any of their insights? If the Spiritual Exercises of ECK is really a way to develop our dream worlds and such things, wouldn't it be our own development without any intermediaries between us and God? Harold Klemp on page 156 says, "The tree of the mind bears little fruit in the worlds of Spirit." Is he right or is our mind the vehicle of consciousness that is the means by which we have the "wisdom and understanding which we have the right to expect as the enlightened being?" Look and Listen for the Light and Sound of God With a Few HU: On page 157 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp we have the spiritual exercise of the 19th month in Eckankar. The first question is why would "this one work well for many who are further along in their understanding of ECK?" I would recommend that part about being still in a quiet place of one's home and looking and listening with the screen of your heart, but the part about lovingly thinking of the current human leader of Eckankar as Master is too far. The idea that it works better may have to do with the deeper indoctrination of members as time goes along. Idolatry, superstition, and worship of the Living Eck Master seems to be deeper and more common as the discourses progress. I find my sense of opposition to the movement growing with the more I learn about it. One may be able to guess that it starts by saying Hu like Hugh or hue a few times. One looks for light during this and then one goes silent and listens for sound behind the more obvious sounds. Should we interpret the light and sound we see as Light and Sound of God? There are psychedelics and there are the existing sights and sounds that will be noticed before one gets in that state. Light and sound belongs to God. Wouldn't you agree that it is usually going to far to try to find special or unique messages from God in such things? I started including this as part of my nighttime routine on the night after sunset on August 11th, 2014. Between 3:24 and 5:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time on Friday the 3rd of October, 2014 or 10/12/1435 in the 10th and 11th hour of the night, I had the following experience with my final working of this rite: I felt a few rushes of relaxing euphoria as I drifted off to sleep. I saw myself in a vehicle like a blue sphee encased in a square, red sheet with a hole cut out. I ascended through vibrating layers of color; lettuce green, flesh pink, neon orange, lapis lazuli blue, fleshy purple, dandelion yellow, other yellows, white, and clear. Surrounded by the blocky vehicle, I descended without seeing the colors. I did hear different sounds; one at a time. It started with a breathy hooo. Then was the sound of a whirlpool, a woodwinds symphony, a hum, a light wind, a sharp flute note, bees, dripping water, a metallic tinkling sound, the roar of the surf, and a crash of thunder. The vehicle disappeared and I was led along by a big black dog. It led me to a woman who was covered in four flowers that collected water like cups. There was this wonderful smell in the air. Gold dust rained down upon the silver dirt that the plant life grew out of. All disappeared. I was given a point of view that showed the current position of only Uranus and Mars in the solar system.
I saw myself in a different place. I was being led by a little dog that followed a raccoon. I arrived at a mulberry tree. There was a woman there. I did not notice the racoon and little dog after noticing her. I stayed there with her till we ate three bunches of its fruit. One was white. The Second was red. The final bunch was blackish. I heard something run and she was gone. Her silken shawl was left behind. I heard different sized lions; in the distance. I walked on and saw three sets of gazelle tracks in the parched land that was far away. For a moment, I only saw the position of the Sun and Venus in the solar system. Later on, I saw a crow or a raven drop coins into a blocky goblet. One had the symbol for Saturn and the others had the Goetia symbols for the twelfth of the year under the period of Leo or number thirty-three through thirty-eight. There was both a blue coin and an orange coin to renounce Gaap. There was a red coin to renounce Furfur. There was a silver coin to renounce Marchosias. There was a blue coin to renounce Stolas. There was a forest green coin to renounce Astaroth. There was a silver coin to renounce Phenex. There was a red coin to renounce Halphas. A centaur led a hundred calvary to the place where the cup was. This drove the crow or raven away. The cup broke leaving two piles of coins. The hundred and one collected them into twelve barrels. One set of them was emerald and had the seal number thirtythree through thirty-eight of the Shem Ha-Maphorash or the sigilia for the part of the part of the year for Leo. The other six were carnelian; each bearing one of the symbols of the Shem Ha-Maphorash for the period of Virgo or numbers thirty-nine through forty-four. Each barrel only had one symbol of banishing upon it. The hundred and one hauled them to where they were given to a very modest queen as a gift. She was dressed in luxurious green clothes and adorned with many red diamonds. The hundred and one placed the barrels on a giant scale hanging from a button cross. The two types of barrels were separate on the balance, but all was in balance. Upon each of the spheres on the red cross was a word in neon green; Justice, Temperance, Fortitude, and Prudence. Dream Interpretation: An Eckist might venture to say that I attained to Eck-Ynari or the Secret Knowledge of Dreams and Visions in the first scene. This is as Tarot card number seven or The Chariot; which is Eck-Ynari, Soul Travel, and Dream Travel in my more recent Tarot series that puts things in Eckankar terms. Eckankar would teach that I ascended through thirteen or so realms of existence; The Physical Plane, the Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental & Etheric Plane, the Soul Plane, Alakh Lok, Alaya Lok, Hukikat Lok, Agam Lok, Anami Lok, Sugmad World, Sugmad, and Akshar Realization. There would say that the sounds upon descent were the sounds of the nine lower heavens on the way to the physical universe. Is is just psychedelic projections? The second scene is about Canis Major or the Big Dog. The Big Dog leads me faithfully to abundance, but my beautified knowledge and understanding of the blending of male and female is somewhat beyond my experience. Loyalty and more productivity than needed or required are central issues. The third scene is the attributes of the Four of Cups and the second decante of Gemini or Canis Major. The fourth scene is about Canis Minor or the Little Dog. It is a symbol of variation. Such is the same with the ripening of the fruit of the mulberry in its grape-like bunches. The racoon is said to be before the dog in both mythology and science. The Racoon is also another variation of that constellation. The silk of the silkworm that feeds of the mulberry fits in with the lovers meeting at this tree. There are both the stages women go through and stages a relationship goes through. She wears the modesty of what they share. Whether dead or otherwise, he must go one without her or be able to. The lions were Leo and Leo Minor. The gazelle tracks are also Leo Minor. In that context, we have love, separation, and loneliness. Love is not contingent on presence or exact reciprocation. All relationships are a science. The fifth scene is the attributes of the Six of Swords and the second decante of Cancer or Canis Minor. The sixth scene is of Crater(Cup or Crater) as the first decante of Leo, Corvus (the Raven or Crow) as the third decante of Leo, Centaurus (Half-Man & Half-Horse and Hundred Men) as the second decante of Leo, and the eleventh Tarot card as Lust or Strength and Self-Mastery in my recent Tarot series that explains things in an Eckankar way. The cup is the cup and symbols is about a leader's gain because of
turning from evil and preventing bad that is represented by the Nine of Disks or Pentacles. The breaking of it is the transformation or change that the raven represents as the Two of Pentacles or Disks. The centaur and his men represent the wealth in the the aspirations that are categorized under the Ten of Disks or Pentacles; as well as Leo (Lion) and Virgo (Virgin). One clears out the problems and attains a balance of goals for the purpose. The red carnelian is a symbol of drive or passion. The purpose was to bring this wealth to The Virgin for the sake of her virtue.that holds these in balance upon the scales of Libra. The emerald is a symbol of eternal life. The constellation of Crux has the attributes of what the Scales hang from. The ending is like the ninth and eighth Tarot card mixing together. The ninth Tarot card is The Hermit or Laws of the Chela & Danda (the righteous law) in my Astrological and Geometrical Eckankar Tarot series. The typical Laws of the Chela are giving harmony, purity, and perfection of soul. The standard of Danda or the Righteous Law addresses the rights of rulers and people.The eighth is Adjustment/Justice or Balance, the Middle Path, and Unity in my recent Tarot Series that uses Eckankar terms. The question that I must ask is if this is supposed to be three different women or sets of concepts or to be part of a single story? My dreams can relate to what I've read, watched, analyzed, or experienced. My dreams can be lessons for others or a different way to understand what I have studied. Workbook Activities: Workbook Activity 2.7.1 is on page 157 and 158 of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I have in a sense highlighted and underlined what catches my attention in my summary and comment of Dreams in Our Daily Life or Lesson 7 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I can't necessarily say that Eckankar has taught me anything of value that I can't find in Islam and probably in at least some other paths; much less from Lesson 7 alone. I will say that keeping a record of feelings, thoughts, and senses from inner experiences has given me greater realization of what goes on in and through me. A second thing is that accepting dreams can be direct guidance. A third thing is that dreams can be allusions to other truths. I answer the final question by saying that I would both like to hear the music of God as Al Qoor'aan, other scriptures, the sounds of nature, psychedelics, and through truly holy experiences. The second workbook activity of discourse seven of The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp is on the next page. I have experienced the Light in my waking and dream states through psychedelic and truly holy phenomenon. It is most often through Assalat (Ritual Prayer), Al Qoor'aan, and meditation (both when I intend to stay awake and when i intend to sleep). Workbook Activity 2.7.3 is on the page after that. To some degree, I would like "to hear the Sound Current at almost any time." Sometimes I notice sounds in a spontaneous way rather than trying to hear sounds behind other sounds. Lately, I have been hearing very faint patterns being broadcast with television shows. Workbook activity 3.7.4 is on the next page. I would strongly discourage praying to any but God. Who better to show you how God is manifested through creation than God? Who better to ask about the spiritual realities present in the physical universe than God? Turn the page and find the next workbook activity. Most should want "more understanding or guidance on something," but the trick is to e patient and not turn to fruitless means and allow answers to be invented. The cassandra is wrong when correct and incorrect. There is a place designated for casting a spell or making a charm that is supposedly enforced by the spiritual leader of Eckankar. Does anyone who read what I wrote believe a Mahanta personally reveals guidance, or insight, or protects anyone in such an individual way? The next two pages have Workbook Activity 2.7.6. I had no such request as in the previous Workbook Activity. I can work through symbolism, but have no such experiences as Golden-tongued Wisdom that I can attribute to entities or places specific to Eckankar. Pages 165 and 166 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses have the next workbook activity. I dreamnt about meeting a woman who was mentioned in international Eckankar literature before I went to the last ECK (to me it meant God as a Verb) Worship Service. The gift was the reminder of the secretiveness that members really have
about the true nature of their belief and how most show embarrassment about some aspect of what Eckankar is and what it teaches. My dreams are mostly vague and relatively meaningless. I pay attention and keep track, but who wants to hear of every color and shape I dreamt about or every wish fulfillment dream? My dreams give me awareness; even when they are not something worth focusing on. The last three pages are reserved for the final workbook activity of Lesson 7. Most of this Music of God is mundane. Some of it is psychologically profound. Other sounds heard are to holy to remember or relate in direct ways. I am grateful for it all and try to make use of it as is right. 7/1/1436 Alphabet Game & The ECK Dream 1 Discourses Lesson 8 The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp has an illustration of what may be Harold Klemp on page 170. The position of this figure upon a bed is reminiscent of the Hanged Man of the Tarot. This is entirely appropriate, for the quote pertains to the Water Card; Which is trump number 12, God-Realization, Bhakti or Devotional Service, the Law of Love, and the Zoas (four laws of the Fifth Initiates). Laying with your hands behind one's head may alleviate pain and stiffness of the arms and sides. Laying with his left leg bent and his foot pressed flat may do likewise for the leg, hip, or back. The beam entering the face is the Light and/or Sound that comes into one's consciousness with "the Spiritual Exercises of ECK." The question is the waning moon among the starry scene with the bed turning into clouds really about a decline in what one reflects as one becomes more of an Eckist? Are the frosty windows a symbol of the cold reality of that view or religion? Is the light at the upper left hand corner coming from the same source as the beam? Does that mean that you are getting some of the knowledge of manifestation that is available to you, but missing most of what you could have as a result of Eckankar being the base of one's choices? Lesson 8: How We Learn in the Dream State Humans and other creatures try to understand their environment. As time went on, people had an understanding of a larger world. People started to disagree about the beliefs they formed without knowledge. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp includes a fallacy on page 171. It wasn't that science appeared, it was just that the amount of knowledge people had to support or formulate mythologies and ideologies has grown. Progress was slow, but it forced a lot of the mere opinions out of existence or into the background, at the least. Science is progressing very quickly; now a days. Society may not always advance, though. We may fall backwards like the occasional churchman who deemed the world flat or some such other thing. Eckankar denies the historical findings about the Catholic Church not allowing their mythology to keep in line with geography. History has shown that it has always been the case that most Catholics believed the world was a globe. It is important to determine the difference between what logic decides and what is actually knowledge. Deductive reasoning and such may have a tendency to go astray, but do Eckist really do this with their so-called spiritual experiences. The very phrase means they are what is called a metaphysical religion. Things are not otherworldly merely because they are thought of as such. The 172nd page claims that the conclusions an Eckist reach are wholly their own. Can that ever be the case? If they really take the Spiritual Head of Eckankar (currently Harold Klemp) as their Dream Master and think he gives them experiences that fit their needs, then it takes a degree of the sense of personal decision and accountability away from the dreaming process. Faith is a conviction based on partial knowledge. Eckankar tries to deny that it is a faith group at times, but Christian churches are not the only ones ignoring advances and bending "truth to fit their misunderstanding of scripture." Eckankar relies more on the experiences of its followers or mere members more than it being a path of alleged orthodoxy and orthopraxy. It does heavily rely on the Eck books and discourses by whoever the current Mahanta, the Living ECK Master is for their convictions of what are correct beliefs and correct actions. It doesn't seem that most members ever reach the state where they are convince themselves that Harold Klemp and the rest of the alleged Eck Masters taught them more in dreams and other states of consciousness than the books present.
Eckankar refers to dream travel as an initial stage; even before its First Initiation upon its chelas or members. Dream initiations are virtually indistinguishable from other types of dreams and people are trained to believe they had the first sometime during their first year of membership; after the age of eighteen solar years old. Is enlightenment really confined to stages of one time experiences known as Eck Initiations? Many will even go years in the organization with no change in the dream life they recall. At Unlocking the Puzzle Box: The Golden Heart or some other such workshop, a man asked why the spiritual exercises had still given him none of even the most simple distinct experiences with light or sound in the years he spent as a member. Harold Klemp may have answered, but he was sort of dumbstruck. Never again did he answer questions live at seminars again. Chelas are supposed to have humility and dignity. Is page 173 and The ShariyatKi-Sugmad (Way of The Master [a Eckankar Bible]), Book One be wrong about otherwise not being possible for its members? Both the official Eckankar writings and other sources seem to make it sound like people are repelled more by the fact that people belief in Eckankar rather than be attracted by it. Whatever one's path, people should be able to display it with or without mentioning it to others. Eckankar borrows the idea that people are sons and daughters of God from other faiths. Isn't it enough for males and females to have the physical parents they do? Isn't claiming to be a child of God a pretending that arising out of certain psychological deficiencies? Eckist are taught to have faith that brings about humility and causes the love of God as a Noun or Sugmad on page 173 and 174 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses. Wouldn't it be deflecting to turn to an intercessor, like an alleged Dream Master, to help with learning when one can use the same effort to turn to God? The second year of Eckankar discourses may focus more on dreams than the previous, but its hard to see any actual preparation for what they call Soul Travel in the lives of the vast majority of people who didn't quit thus far. The idea her that all life is spiritually relevant can apply for those who think life or part of life is merely mental, emotional, and physical. Harold Klemp was disturbed by a dream; a dream the night before his Second Initiation. Why are so many of these things are listed as names and abbreviations? Harold Klemp dreamt of being among a wild dance after a wedding. He was raised to think this was sacrilege and that weddings were calm and more formal. He discussed the dream with Paul Twitchell. Paul Twitchell interpreted like a marriage to Eck. Harold Klemp took a while to accept it, because his mind still wanted to be orthodox or correctly believing. It took him a while to break that inclination. Is Harold Klemp's later interpretation of all wedding dreams really being about initiations or a soul becoming closer to God, the Holy Spirit (Gabriel is the Holy Spirit throughout the Old Testament and in much of the New Testament), the shekinah/sakinah or angels, or even one metaphysical being? Some people have spoke of ECK Initiations like spirit possession or like gaining a spiritual familiar; particularly the second and fifth. Do ECK Initiations really bring ecstatic joy in themselves? I noticed no difference with my first and I have no idea which one the fellow Eckist would consider it. Do ECK Initiations bring anyone closer to God? The fact is laid clear in the mention on the next page that the love that changes a person is the bonding with the Mahanta, the living leader of Eckankar. Is this bonding metaphysical or is it just a psychological projection upon the situation of a program of loving and worshiping the Living ECK Master and the other ECK Masters? I'm skipping the worship of ECK Masters part, because I only consider God to be Yazadan or Worship Worthy; as the Avestan speaking people would have said. Harold Klemp wanted to hold on to some of his church upbringing and schooling while being in Eckankar. How are Christian baptisms any less alive than Eckankar rituals? Some of my thought forms and processes must be valuable. Would you want a Mahanta breaking up all the foundations of your thoughts, if he could? A true spiritual study should not be abandoned. If Eckankar was true, why would he recommend a vacation from spiritual learning that may only be a minute or two a day? True spiritual exercises should not be abandoned for a while. If the Spiritual Exercises of Eck (I don't just mean the book.) are to strengthen spiritual ability and bring us in tune with God, why would it be good to risk religious atrophy? I can't help but feel like it is to ignore or forget the questions we may have that cause conflicts with fully accepting Eckankar. Eckist are told to accept the Living Eck Master as a Dream Master who will give them a "true assessment of" themselves. I don't know if anyone who hasn't gotten a letter from Harold Klemp or received other direct contact from the Living Eck Master
can really assert that he even knows they exist in a convincing way; much less knows them well enough to analyze their situation. Shouldn't people take accountability for their self-assessments rather than project them upon a worldly master? The ECK Dream 1 Discourses 1 by Harold Klemp tells of an ECKist's morning dream of applying for a job. It doesn't seem that he was looking for a job in real life. In the dream, he was upset to be told that his qualifications would probably result in him landing a job as a custodian. The dreamer asserted that he was more qualified than the one behind the counter, because he was greedy. Words didn't work in getting what he wanted and he controlled the man with violence. He talked to one of his personalities who asked him, "Is this behavior fitting of someone of your spiritual station?" People should live up to their degrees; whether that be of knowledge or acknowledged positions in society. The dreamer then prayed to Harold Klemp and was told the dream was about humility. That may be so, but how do we know that the voices and spectral figures that so-called ECKist see are not actually projections upon factions of their own personalities? It may be true that one can't become fully spiritual all at once, but what do they mean by "become entirely the ECK?" Pages 176-177 tells of a woman sitting on the floor of a Golden Wisdom Temple, in an entryway, by a hallways, eating chicken. Harold Klemp showed up and people wanted to shake his hand. In real life, the Living ECK Master never allows physical contact between himself and the common members of Eckankar. A younger woman smugly approached. Wah Z, as he is called responded to her smiles with a scowl and she was cast out. The dreamer dreamt of being worried about her physical condition as Harold Klemp approached. The Secret Doctrine or Wah Z shook the greasy hand of the woman seated on the floor. She woke up elated with a feeling of approval by her Mahanta. Arrogance may be more of a problem than outer unseemliness, but good manners matter too. Pages 177 and 178 tell of the story of someone standing by Harold Klemp as a giant rocket landed nearby. She started to run away, but he called her back.and the rocket didn't bring disaster. Is this dream about wanting to flee the spiritual dangers of invoking the presence of and ECK Master in your imagination or about her outer problems turning out okay, if she would only face them? Can we really have "ever-richer experiences in the worlds of ECK", just because we intend to have them? Firm desire can result in wish fulfillment dreams and experiences. It may be true that we only encounter what we are capable of being spiritually ready for. What is our faith in that makes us humble? What type of love does it nurture? How is that used? The true dream goes beyond mere symbolism. Isn't it important to have a satisfied mind? Eckankar teaches that the longest time is the approach to death. Wouldn't death be quickened or easier upon the correctly believing and correctly acting (orthodox & orthoprax)? An ECKist's dying father allegedly started to have experiences after reading from an Eckankar book. Why read and Eckankar books or do any Eckankar practices, if they are not much for nurturing good thoughts and good practices? The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp page 179 tells us the only purpose is to have an active relationship with light and sound that is supposed to be a direct manifestation of God. Someone's Baptist father decided to write whomever was the Living Eck Master about a dream he had. After a visit of a being he called and angel, the man lost his fear of dying. Would it be more or less fitting to interpret the one who assured him his entry into higher words upon death was not an angel, but "an Adept of the Vairagi (Detached) Order?" The ECKist's father thought it was a waking vision. Is this what is meant by an experience that "moves aside" and makes way for sight and sound to directly be a part of our consciousness? It seems Harold Klemp means to say that one can become something without experiences or learning to provoke it. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses seems to have a new definition fo Eck as something that feels like electricity. Perhaps he means the tingling sensations fo relaxation. This is why not smoking, taking other recreational drugs, or even medicine that is not needed for survival is an important aspect of both Islam and Eckankar, One's spirituality is to be felt in both feelings and emotions. Drugs can only lessen the overall capability of the experience of a religious life. Some have problems with such claims of exclusivity as Eckankar does for the feelings of presence claimed for initiates. Eckankar teaches that unusual feelings of warmth and such are secondary to sights, sounds, and love. It would be fair to say that our spirit increases it
connection to matters of God as we become enlightened. Can't one be just as pure without the psychedelic visions and even metaphysical visions? Does one have to see Holy Scripture or encounter it in a vision to become as a living word by manifesting it in situations beyond the book in stone? Even this discourse says people in such peak experiences may neither see or hear such words. There may be actual transcendant experiences to be had, but the words inspired or revealed among them are not incoherent, if it is God's guidance to you and those who take heed. Or is the Diagnosed Disorganized Schizophrenic who is the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master or Eckankar right about these individual messages available to each that may be beyond expressing here? The applications of teachings may be specific to a situation or type of person. How is progress automatic as one spends time involved in the secret workings of Eckankar? It seems to me that the Higher Intiates of Eckankar became less advanced in spirituality as time went by. The Law of Silence or Kamit prevents people speaking of this Void where all fears are faced. It seems that this excess love and worship of the Mahanta and the alleged ECK Masters has been used by many in Eckankar to get through things, but I see no reason to think anyone has became fearless and regularly into truly metaphysical places of indefinable joys. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp makes clear on page 180 that people may not have an easier or more enjoyable life by studying dreams. It speaks of people thinking they have been forsaken by the Mahanta like the Mahanta ever knew of most ECKist as more than a number or figures in reports at the Eckankar Corporation board meetings. Wouldn't God know doubts better than the others people treat as their Master? A High Intitiate (They try to minimize those who have a Fifth Initiation before being members of Eckankar twenty years.) with doubts about Eckankar saw in contemplation that she was on a peak out somewhere in the dark. She thought that not even God could help her. This person was panick stricken. She affirmed that this wouldn't become one of these stories where one of the 973 ECK Masters shows up to save the day. She decided to move on her own. After the dream, she wasn't fearless, but her abrogation faded as she pushed herself to play a clerical part in Eckankar. At some point she asserted that she had no beliefs, That is when she heard a voice tell her, "Welcome; now we can begin." Page 181 describes the ideas that the Eckankar programs gave her about God, the Living ECK Master, truth, and other things were illusions. How can we trust a system that will teach us extremism, sophist, and fanaticism till we no longer take its teachings seriously? The woman lived her life knowing that she would always be in some degree of confusion; unless she would gain some sort of God-Realization beyond this spiritual foundation. Islam would teach a simple and profound monotheism to build one's foundation upon. Do we start with understanding about God's oneness and transcendence and then build a religious life around that principle or build up a spiritual foundation that is full of baseless speculations and illusions till we finally figure out the truth?
Alphabet Game With an Emphasis on ECK: The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp has the spiritual exercise for the 20th month in Eckankar on page 181. It is to quietly sing words in an alphabetical order before going to sleep. There should be a word with relevance to Eckankar for each letter of the alphabet. How does thinking up words following a pattern "help one into the dream state, if you have trouble falling asleep?" I have heard of counting imagined sheep and never got that. It could be that imagining up anything to focus on besides where the mind wanders can be helpful. Psychological practices with mythological contexts show more promising effects and long term results than their atheistic counterparts with equal or lesser efforts. He does say to do this with reverence at a slow pace and that should entrain one to a more restful state. The words that came to mind on 7/1/1436 were arahata, baraka bashad, chela, danda, ECK, Faqiti, Gare hira, HU, Ism-I-Asm, Jot Niranjan, kala, lok, mana, Namayatan, Omkar, Param Akshar, Quiddity, Ramkar, SUGMAD, Tirmer, udghata, wu wei, xylophone, ynari, and Zoas. Which of these words do you have any meaning for and which ones do you know the Eckankar definition for? Between 2:38 and 6:27 A.M. PDT on Friday the 31st of October, 2014 I had the following experience: It was a dark night, before a dark peak with a thin haze upon it. A thin blonde woman chopped off from the left side of here hair and carried it up the mountain. She met a full-figured woman in a glowing red dress. The shapely
woman held a green scepter and corn in green sheaths. The thin blonde women handed her the hair she had cut off the left side. A long-haired man came circling in with the wind on a sled pulled by two dogs. He landed on the ground and was given six medallions by the full-figured woman. These were as the Goetia sigilum for the period of Virgo or numbers thirty-nine through forty-four. There was an orange one to renounce Malphas. There was a red one to renounce Raum. There were two rusty coper ones; one to renounce Focalor and one to banish Vepar. There were two silver seals; one to exorcise Sabnock and another to renounce Shax. The man gave them to the thin blonde woman with the funny haircut. They watched the sun rise together in the darker third of the year. She handed the six seals, that she wore, back to him and handed him his four elemental wands out from his cart. He went along on his journey With his six symbols of renunciation and his Earth, Air, Fire, and Water wands. He took on twelve different appearances on his journey. He came upon a maze lined with acai beads that were so large as to obscure the size and form of the maze. At the entry was a wand that seemed to symbolize both Spirit Active and Spirit Passive. He picked it up and traversed this classical labyrinth with a four and three pattern. He progressed up, down, up, down, up, down, and up into the center where a silver crown was. It had eleven peaks, ten curved dips, and nine gold spheres imbedded in it. He put it on. He felt like that a lot of striving was left to do and it would be a struggle. He made his way out; clockwise, counter-clockwise, clockwise, counter-clockwise, clockwise, counterclockwise, and clockwise. I awoke for dawn prayers at 6:27 A.M. with my heart beating fast. Dream Interpretation: The maze an the crown were as the Five of Wands with Corona Borealis or the Northern Crown as the third decan of Virgo. Its Saturnal symbolism is the austerity of the continued struggle. The near at hand austerity to observe is that of 911/1/1436; which is Muharram or the Muslim Passover with one or both of the days next to it. These three days hold more merit for those who fast them than any of the first eleven months of the sacred year. One sees this in the number of gold spheres, curved silver dips, and silver points. Its Mercurial symbolism is the strife that lies ahead. The acai symbolizes the help and comfort that the constellation represents. The Spirit Active-Spirit Passive wand is the material actions being joined with that of the spirit-soul. The Venusian symbolism of Hercules as Completion also sees itself in the Fifth wand. A crown is both a symbol of liberty by accomplishment and slavery to a role at the same time. Hercules as the Four of Wands has its Jovial symbolism seen in the experience represented by the twelve different appearances. The Earth, Air, Fire, and Water wands are as Completion for forming an Elemental set of magical weapons. The twleve appearances are as the twelve hero deeds of Hercules in the myths. The presumed wife giving back her talsimans and aiding in him collecting his wands is as being a part of his completion. Bootes or Herdsman is as the third decante of Virgo and is the constellation of the Three of Wands. The dogs of his sled or cart are canes Venati or the Greyhounds. They symbolize weather; as well as harmony & joy. Coma Berenecis is as Bernice's Hair; which according to the myth was for the return of her husband. Bootes represents the husband; who is as Hercules. The virtue in his stay and what was to come is as the Solar symbolism of Bootes. The first decante of Virgo sees its Martial symbolism in what was attained by both him and his wife. These six symbols represent a means to combat evil and ignorance. Virgo or the Virgin is seen in the time of year that they are in and in the woman with the glowing dress. Its redness is the Fire energy to hold on to from the other two-thirds of the year. The Three of Wands is seen in the scepter, green corn ears, and the hair of the blonde woman. Her purity benefits both body and soul. The thin blonde woman must sacrifice for the sake of becoming as pure and virtuous as she needs to be. The peak and darkness is the state of loss she is in. The lack of reaction to her environment by her is how used to how she is. He was there to brighten her world; not just emotionally, but mentally and spiritually. Workbook Activities:
The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp has Workbook Activity 2.8.1. As usual, I cannot say that Eckankar discourses have given me any insights. My dreams sometimes give me different ways of looking at the same things or provide me something to enact or otherwise share in life. The next page has the next Workbook Activity. I don't think, I wonder too much what the importance of humility is in development. People need to focus on what they can continue or achieve rather than merely glory over recollections of the past. Imagining you are talking about this or any other topic with someone doesn't mean that they will make themselves known as your Inner Master. Workbook Activity 2.8.3 is on page 184 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. My way of learning relates to Harold Klemp's dream before his Second Initiation and the conversation with Paul Twitchell, because I too learn to look at things differently through dreams and discuss my dreams with others. I stepped upon the path of Eckankar to share upon good and consciousness with others and do not believe that it teaches anything from any actual spiritual authority of its own. I can think of nothing about it that took a while to accept aside from the fact that it was in my 12th year of hearing of Eckankar that I deemed that it might be worthwhile to be a member, as long as I didn't have to compromise with Islam to continue. The following Workbook Activity is on the following page. As much as one can experience a slight wonder and be in state of well-being at will, is as much as one can possibly experience it when asking for it; unless God provides better out of his mercy to those who pray to him instead of some alleged Mahanta. Nothing unusally happened when I tried this without Eckankar misassociation. Althought, I do fully agree that people should ease into a spiritual life rather than try to become religious all at once. People should maybe start of with being observant of what they can do right away and add volunary and recommended things that one can be consistant about. Workbook Activity 2.8.5 is on page 186 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I think every spiritual person should have something they'd want to hand over to God. The Mahanta is not God, part of God, specially God-Possessed, the Holy Spirit, an angel, or what seems to be a purely spiritual or religious being. I therefore will not pretend to hand over my problems to him, I feel not as stressed about issues and more content with situations when I picture my role in them as in accord with expression for God or Light an Sound as it is called in Eckankar. The next Workbook Activity is on the next page. I choose the story hinted at to be a claim that the person not having the position they are qualified for is a lesson of debasement to the status that you think Harold Klemp or whover runs Eckankar has set you up to be in. Is it really a "loving lesson" to try to try to push people down into a sociopathic state that they only acknowledge the ability that an organization uses of them and their position in a corporation? Should our sense of self-worth be reliant on more than one type of source? Workbook Activity 2.8.7 is on page 188 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I don't like to daydream that I'm hanging out with old men at psychological projections of temples. Shouldn't actual metaphysical places not be dependant on the light we can personally picture? Shouldn't God's scriptures not be something with parts only for individuals? Although, it might be best to live them in the way that would be best for each. When I am absorbed in study of Quran, or what remains of Divine revelation and inspiration in scriptures before that, strange and blissful thoughts, sights and feelings may come upon me. The final Workbook Activity is given the last three pages of Lesson 8: How We Learn in the Dream State. My experiences since starting with the Alphabet of Eckankar Game after dusk of Friday, October 3, 2014 or 10/12/1435 haven't resulted in any remembered dream journeys. I don't think it is right to call anyone or anything a child of God. No Eck word or atleast no ECK word with meaning or a known use on Eckankar literature has came to me of the letter or letters I couldn't think up a word for. Xenophobia and xylophon for x can both said to be possible, but I can think of no official Eckankar words. I have found words that most outside of Eckankar wouldn't know and atleast one word that has a different meaning in Eckankar; quiddity or the essence of Eck as Sound Current. The most interesting experiences so far include a could dreams where words flew by so fast that I couldn't recall any of them and one time waking up between dawn and sunrise hearing HU like the word hue. As far as I know no Eckankar specific practice has given me any awareness of dreams or anything else.
6/2/1436 The Leaf in a Box Spiritual Exercise & The ECK Dream 1 Discourses Lesson 9 Page 192 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp has a black and white of the painting that forms the cover of Child in the Wilderness by Harold Klemp. The illustration of a man on a bridge shining light into the night with clouds below both represents bridging the inner and outer experiences and the possession that Harold Klemp claims came upon him on a bridge before he jumped off it into freezing water. The Wind of Change and The Soul Travelers of the Far Country are the other books in his trilogy of his life of ascent to acquiring the title Mahanta in the board meeting of August, 1983; which is not spoken of in Eckankar material, but can be found in the 1985 court case against Darwin Gross or alleged ECK Master #972. He deemed himself God-Possessed among pain and terror. The quote implies that this is about becoming the connection between an Inner Master and an Outer Master. Could they mean not being abrogated in terms of self-mastery and submission to whoever they deem to be leader of Eckankar? A Living ECK Master is not the voice inside your head. As far as I can tell, no one ever receives any message they attribute to an ECK Master without it containing information they might already know or is based on what is said about some figure; such as ECK Masters. The other side of the quote rings true in that we shouldn't have an inner and outer life that are in conflict with each other. Lesson 9: Our Dreams of Purpose The ECK Dream 1 Discourses lesson nine, like many other Eckankar writtings, paraphrases a biblical saying. Do we really have according to whatever our faith is? A faith in an ECK Master, the Living ECK Master or not, is surely something that has been more than shaken in most who had it. Are our dreams more real than or physical existence? it would seem that the inner and outer life of an individual are just as real; albeit in different senses. Are dreams there to realize our spiritual design? We can operate the Law of Manifestation be creating a vortex around our experiences that makes our dreams come true. Do ideas from before entry into Eckankar block the truths about ECK? Whatever ECK is supposed to mean, previous ideas don't have to stand in the way of finding out how somethings work. Like Christianity, Eckankar admits that it relies on people not accepting full responsibility for themselves. Doesn't Eckankar go to far in blaming everyone for every negative in their lives? It would seem that some of that is the case, but surely some things are tests. Surely, there must be victims who didn't deserve it to repay karmic debts. Eckankar removes the hope of a savior god who atones for them; while demanding all the worship of ECK Masters that worshipers in other cults might direct at their concept of divinity. Is the purpose of dreams really to end anxieties over death? I would recommed to start repenting and being a more pious person to remove reasons to fear an afterlife. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp makes the claim that chelas or initiates of Eckankar will have a dream sent to them by their alleged Master when they are ready to confront misconceptions of death. Would putting hopes upon an alleged spiritual master for one's dream life result in some having dreams around the concepts attributed to the so-called godman? Fear of death, by plan and accident, plays a role in media and government. A chela dreamt of flying in a small spaceship outside our solar system. They were sentenced to die, but wasn't told why. She considered a number of reasons for their upcomming execution. They flew through a light that made them unconscious. They awoke on a hill with no sign of an enemy in that beautiful park. She looked behind her a saw a warrior with a ray run. She told her sister that they would soon meet there Mahanta or Way-Show-er soon. They chanted HU as they filled with warmth. Her consciousness of that body was no longer there, but she was aware of that environment till it faded and she awoke. Was this dream a journey given by the Living ECK Master or was it a projection of false hopes? Harold Klemp tries to make any skepticism about dreams not being what they seem like as an inferior act. Eckankar uses the word querent to refer to the one who would question whether or not the words of the socalled ECK Masters is true. It may be true that death is just a part of our existence, but that doesn't mean that actually dying still can't be unpleasant. Scientology and Eckankar share similar ways of speaking about battling forces within us, but use different phrases to say such. Eckankar talks about spiritual and psychic forces of both ECK and Kal battling within. Didn't the discourse start out
with mention of a vortex of love and power working on our behalf. If Kal is Jot Niranjan or The Highest Blameless One, than it would hardly make sense to say that ECK is in conflict; unless the meaning of ECK here denotes something low that must be blamed and that has a reason to fear. I know right well that feelings of love and power, as well as the drives to, can be part of the same states of consciousness. Is my experience real or is The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp correct on page 196 about them being polar opposite parts of consciousness? A man with a circle of influence went to an Eckankar seminar and wanted to convey the message of Eckankar; from that point on. He was too shy to share the messages of the Mahanta and those he deemed to be of the Mahanta with those who seemed to admire him. Could it have really been that he was not that firm of a believer? He certainly seemed to not feel anything that could be interpreted as a bond with the Spiritual Leader of Eckankar when he did that. He became troubled by a later dream about not being allowed past a black door with stars on it, because he only came in his own name. He contemplated on the dream and saw himself enter saying, "I come in the name of the Mahanta." He ended up in a lake with a fountain that others rushed to. He thought the fountain people swam to was the Mahanta. Some might rely on God, but Eckankar wants you to feel lost without Harold Klemp or whomever the board chooses to lead the corporation after he dies. Are dreams of Eckankar Initiates the same sort as those outside the corporation? Not as far as I know. Some even adapt Eckankar specific projections without ever joining the organization. Aside from that, there seems to be nothing unique to that path. Are dreams the same for those who treat the Mahanta and the other ECK Masters like gods the same as those who don't? Page 197 tried to convince you that similarities are only on the surface. If ill effects are to be worked out in dreams, does it matter whether or not one is an ECK chela? Most would say no, but Eckankar wants you to think that only acceptance of its doctrine can lead to alleviation of bad karma and generate good karma that can result in total "spiritual liberation." It closes A Look at Forces within Us by saying ECKist really know these things, but won't try to convince others of these secret teaching of exclusivity. Dream work does have an individual nature. Your experiences will always be individualized beyond what others share in or learn of. A man dreamt that he was just a soul looking down on a room with a lot of furniture in it. He seemed more material as he focused on the details. He sat on a couch when he descended. He looked out the window of this new place telling someone about the similarity between it and his parent's home and that the both of them must be having an out-of-body-experience. How I learned to Soul Travel is the book being plugged in Lesson 9 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses. It is one of the books I have not read from the local Eckankar lending library, It recommended the idolatrous practice of calling upon a spiritual master in order to see an apparition of them. Calling Harold Klemp his Master, he asked him to appear if present. He saw a spectral image of Harold Klemp that showed him "that he was out of the body." He later found out that his sister joined Eckankar and had a very similar dream. Could they both just be dreaming that it was time for them to have the roles in live that their parents had earlier in their lives? They certainly focused enough on Harold Klemp to be able to see his image without directly trying to visualize it. I do agree that the sense of fulfillment must have been individual experiences and understandings. The dream worlds are worth exploring and sharing discoveries about. Eckankar members may be more interested in such things than most, but they are hardly unique. Page 199 asks people to believe that hardly anyone would be interested in a desire of God-realization before Eckankar was founded in 1965. Did anyone know of these Eckankar names, places, things, and terms before Paul Twitchell borrowed, changed, and even made up them up? Evidence outside Eckankar influence for its uniqueness seems non-existent. A second book is plugged in The Eck Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp, Lesson 9: Our Dreams of Purpose. I bought a copy of Paul Twitchell's Tiger's Fang recently. He was known as a follower of Kirpal Singh, one of the top few in Scientology, read about the Chisti Sufi Order under Inayat Khan. He also had an interest in Theosophy and a number of so-called metaphysical societies. His interest continued as he wrote this book that is either his own experiences, plagiarism, or a combination of both. Harold Klemp admits on page 199 that "his experiences...may never be yours." Why then ignore everything we have learned on the subject and take a leap of faith unto Eckankar doctrine? Faith, and even belief, can be good when placed right, but where
will faith in a mix of truth and lies land us in the view of God. Letting yourself have your own experiences with Spiritual Exercises of ECK or other religious or spiritual practices may be good advice, if the rituals are not somehow sinful to do. Only God knows how many came before and are to come. Eckankar and Islam both allow some flexibility in adjusting the recommended and required rites in certain personal ways; like for variety within them. Whatever your path, it is up to you to discover truth in its personal and universal implications. Shouldn't piety be the implications of good consciousness? If you find their ideas of truth untrustworthy, ECKists want you to learn more about alleged past lives before you judge it unreliable. Are the dream worlds only of God or can they be psychological or even satanic? Harold Klemp talks on page 200 about how Ptolemy, Aristotle, and others held to a Geocentric world view, because of their lack of knowledge; which was overthrown by discoveries of Copernicus and Galilio. The implied message is that Eckankar is the path of new knowledge gained by its members as the explorers. Each individual to have their own beliefs, but it is true that some of us who try to be orthodox or correctly believing (This is th understanding of the word given to Harold Klemp in his Lutheran upbringing) do consider there to be a New Age threat. Don't the reasons not to break with tradition vary? Pride can be a reason people don't change, but I wouldn't assume that. Aren't there doctrines of old that ring at least true or truer than Eckankar teachings? Islam also teaches that a time will come where the spiritual eyes will be opened and everyone will know the utter reality of things, but we don't think we are reborn till we chose an enlightening path. People have plenty of chances to gain awareness of the worlds within and the worlds without in one lifetime. Wouldn't people who intentionally or as an unintended result of some thoughts and actions keep doing it, if they had future lifetimes? Wouldn't being made to forget past-lives make this problem just as great? Why would you want to focus on psychological worlds that contain people without good feelings for SUGMAD or God as a Noun? We get enough of that out here. A lack of love is called wrath; after all. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp seems to explain why mental illness becomes more common during and after Eckankar on page 202. It tells how ECKist (members of the Eckankar Corporation or followers of that path) confuse the difference between dreams and soul Travel; also outer realizations and inner realizations. Inner life and outer life gets blurred and confused in many. Chelas or Eckankar Initiates often don't remember the nature of experiences and may not even be able to tell when they are fresh. Is Eckankar a path of higher and higher consciousness till one reaches God Awareness or are these signs of it being a way to develop delusions? Most people can fantasize without thinking it is actually being visited by the one they thought about. What would happen, if you told someone outside of Eckankar that you thought they were literally present during your dream, contemplation, or fantasy? A mother once contemplated next to her baby in the early morning. She pictured herself going through her house. She heard a rainstorm. She heard and felt the strong wind upon her. Was this a theophany as Harold Klemp states on page 202? In the way that all creation is a manifestation, it must be. However, we have no sign that this was a direct communication with God. Was this a sign that she went from the Physical Plane to the Alakh Lok or Invisible Sphere that is the Sixth Plane (It is the seventh by name because it is said to have the Physical, Astral, Causal, Mental, Etheric, and Soul as the lower realms to it.)? Most would say the sounds of a rainstorm and heavy wind are of the same thing. Was the dream really about somehow leaving her home vulnerable? Another mother found the dreams of her four year old to be of interest. She would let him dictate them to her. The child would relate more such experiences than anyone in the family. The kid told them that Harold Klemp and all the alleged ECK Masters were glittery in his inner world. This is interpreted as being their Astral bodies. Is it rather that the projection was not as detailed? The kid told them of things that Harold Klemp allegedly said to him and of a window screen being removed and put back so Harold Klemp and someone else could visit him. Were these dreams of purpose or a child trying to realize the stories his parents told him? I would be worried about the source of the voices and the content of what my child heard. Eckankar tries to program you into thinking that all such things are of Spirit and true. What Spirit? Harold Klemp says the window screen was removed and put back as the kid said. If this is based on the parents checking it out, they should have taken their kid to a doctor and called the police. I accept that people hear and see things other don't
without it being delusion, but I would consider what I know of physical reality when acting upon them. I would consider the content and context when interpreting those experiences of other and myself rather than merely accept and follow them at face value. Wouldn't you? Leaf in a Box Spiritual Exercise: In the 21st month in Eckankar, they ask you to start the Spiritual Exercise of ECK with saying HU like hue. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp tells you to picture yourself being met by Wah Z (Harold Klemp), Peddar Zaskq (Paul Twitchell), and Rebazar Tarzs (a space alien turned Tibetian that is only known through Eckankar based claims) along a path of white pebbles to a Temple of Golden Wisdom. I will not try to visualize any of the alleged ECK Masters as a spiritual practice; this extends towards the three historical ones as of 2014 and the 970 that are part of the Eckankar mythological system. One is supposed to see oneself enter a long vast room with many there. Again, I will not try to picture as many ECK Masters there as I can. I think it is just fine to see yourself being handed a box with a leaf in it. I also think it is just fine imagining opening the box, taking out the leaf, and touching it to both one's own chest and forehead. Page 203 says to "touch it to your heart, then to the Tisra Til, the Spiritual Eye, and the Master will be there." I don't believe in such a presence of any spiritual leader. God may be Omnipresent, but all else is limited by space. With non-physical objects, one can picture them point into the chest to touch the heart and into the head to touch the pineal and pituitary glands. The leaf is a representation of love between all who have been to the Soul Plane and the lesser realms of the Etheric Plane, Mental Plane, Causal Plane, Astral Plane, and Physical Plane. Wouldn't it be more true that these are all the same and any experience can be both physical and spiritual? Why would one not have permanent access to soul realms till one has five initiations by permission of some corporation like Eckankar or some other hierarchy of alleged spiritual authority? I believe God will allow you the ability to have the physical, psychological, and spiritual experiences necessary for your development without sending gurus to travel with you in them. ECKists will do what I call the Leaf in a Box spiritual Exercise for "about twenty minutes a day" during that month of their discourses. Between 8:41 and 9:40 A.M on Thursday, November 27th, 2014 or Solar hour 2-4 on 4/2/1436, I performed my final operation of this rite:
Things got darker as I grew numb. I heard a piano beat similar to Becoming by Nine Inch Nails. I felt euphoria as I experienced life as if I was not laying on my bed, but only in the bliss wiping over me as I listened to the music. Things cleared up and I saw a male Wilson's Bird of Paradise or Cicinnaurus Respublica walk down a path of small white stones on the grounds of the Temple of ECK in Chanhassen, Minnesota in all of its splendor. It had a green tail, black head with blue on the top, a yellow strip down its black neck and part of its body, a red strip down part of the rest of its black body to its red bottom, brown among its lower body, and lavender feet. Three shadows in the white and gray light of midday came by. They were surrounded be a maroon cloud. They went through the Temple of ECK until they reached the chapel. There was a book with 973 pages in it. I saw that each page bore the image, physical name, and spiritual name of a different alleged ECK Master. I only remember that Harold Klemp is Wah Z, Darwin Gross is Dap Ren, and Paul Twitchell is Peddar Zaskq. When the bird finished the book, a box appeared. The male Wilson's Bird of Paradise picked up the box and opened it to find a blue sapphire leaf with gold veins. It took it out with its feet and touched the leaf to the center of its chest and its forehead above the eyes. This caused the bird to disappear. There were 973 leaves suspended in the air. I swept the chapel with a ruler and formed the 973 leaves into a sphere. I impressed a square on the globe to divide it into squares. Then I quickly drew a circle per degree causing the room to disappear into blackness. I awoke energized as if I had three more hours of sleep than I had. It had been a very painful morning, but I felt no pain. I was utterly relaxed and felt very aware. Dream Interpretation:
The Wilson's Bird of paradise is as the constellation of Apus. That is a symbol of the continual quest for paradise. With its colors, it represents the variety of life and the variety of tools to deal with it. The path of white pebbles represent the clear consciousness and purity we seek in the way we want to go. The three shadows in gray and white light represent the patriarchs of Eckankar or the only three historical ECK Masters. The maroon light that surrounded the shadows represents Rebazar Tarzs; the Eckankar version of the Holy Spirit of Judaism that other traditions call Garuda, Vohu Manu, and Jibreel. Together they are as the stability of the constellation Triangulum Australe or the Southern Triangle. To me the shadows in the gray and white cloaked by purple means the mixture of evil and ignorance with a spiritual side that these figures taught. The chapel is a place where ECKist worship the eleven ECK Masters portrayed on the wall and all the ones called an ECK Master, except Darwin Gross; who they have discredited more and more since the August 1983 board meeting that he lost the vote to stay a Living ECK Master in. It is called a church, because a common phrase they use proves false and meaningless. They say, "We give them respect, but not worship." The book touches upon the subject of their mythical linage. The fact that I don't even try to come up with a more complete list of names and titles than Eckankar teachings shows that I do not ascribe to their dogmas and contest them. The leaf in a box is that initiations are within mental constructions. The blue and gold are as the Thursdays and Sundays that are the days of the week that most of the Eckankar meetings I attended fell under. Yellow and blue are also colors most mentioned as sacred in Eckankar. They are symbols of the soul and mind. It is also as the mental conceptions of the metaphysical upon the emotions and its results upon the body and soul. There is a feeling in these Metaphysical groups that what they do is truly metaphysical; despite their clear focus on psychedelics and pseudo-psychiatry. In a sense they are right, because everything is spiritual for the fact that the realms and beings that transcend the physical are always playing a role. That includes human souls and human spirits. In Eckankar, fallen leaves are those who haven't lived up to their initiations. Is that true with the Eckankar conception of ECK Masters? In Islam with its 114 Soowar (plural of soorah) of Al Qoor'aan, one must remember soorah means rank or step in a structure. One who learns one of these and doesn't practice or express it can be said to have fallen from their rank. The ruler and square is as the constellation Norma. It represents knowledge and expression. It represents a straightening. The globe into squares represents the squareness of Earth. The ruler or level with the square represent the worldly tools which are then coupled with the tools of the truly holy existence. The compass is as the constellation Circinus or pair of compasses. The circles represent the roundness of heaven. Did my mind go through the concept of 129,600 circles cast in every direction? The disappearing of the Temple of ECK in Chanhassen, Minnesota certainly seemed to represent breaking past constructed ideas about it. Paintings of old show what is supposed to be God or a saintly figure using a pair of compasses to control the above and below. The symbol was also of the goal of practitioners of theurgy, thaumaturgy, and such. Workbook Activities: The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp has Workbook Activity 2.9.1 on page 204. It first asks you to highlight a passage that stick out. On page 199 it says, "Since your dream experiences depend upon you, consider yourself at the forefront of discovery....The Tiger's fang is Paul Twitchell's account of his experiences in the spiritual worlds. They may never be yours." I now have the trilogy of Stranger by the River, Tiger's fang, and Talons of Time. I can probably put my understanding of the issues of these into poems and have an experience with each, but that doesn't mean I have to have the experiences in those ways or interpret them according to Eckankar doctrine. I have my own beliefs. How do people not realize that asking the Mahanta for a dream of purpose or another request is a prayer and worship rather than just respect? I will worship no gendered individual. In a way, I visit the soul Plane whenever I sleep, because my soul is always in its own world; even when I am not aware of its purely spiritual existence.
The following page has the following Workbook Activity. I would like to live out or enact more of my inner thoughts and experiences in order to strengthen the bridge between inner and outer. In the past, sharing and ritualizing has encouraged me in developing my ability to think and feel my way through issues. Workbook Activity 2.9.3 is on page 206 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I don't think I fear death as a Muslim, aside from occasionally wanting to try to address a wrong before dying. I don't think it is any Dream Master of choice that helps alleviate our fears in unique ways. I think it is our own thoughts on the matter that may be organized in our sleep to give us messages, Twelve years ago, I had a dream where I was as a soul watching what can only be described as a guardian angel. That was a dream that made me think of myself as a spiritual being among different spiritual beings, but now in a human body. I never thought of myself or anyone having past lives as far as I know. The following Workbook Activity is on the next page. There may be competing spiritual forces inside and out, but I have no desire to pretend I am having a conversation with a being that I know isn't there. I knew a woman who would use the phrase "debating with myself." I love her honesty and how she seemed to have a lack of the delusion that most seem to have. It's been years since I talked to her and I don't know how she has been in the past few years. The next Workbook Activity is on the following page. The idea that a dream can pay off some karmic debt relies on the principle that hardship and good deeds can help one atone for a sin. The idea that I might be repenting or replacing demerit with merit by dreams is a comforting though. I recently dreamt about words going by really fast and made me wonder what the nature of the words I was reviewing were. Learning and understanding would fit more upon the good to cancel out the bad side. They ask you to complete a sentence. My dream helped me to have something interesting to think about. Page 209 has Workbook Activity 2.9.6. I discovered long ago that heaven is the sky and Eckankar based experiences rarely touch into anything but psychedelics and projections upon reality. The truth that no ECK Master is truly Dream Master of anyone, but themselves seems to be a truth that reveals itself more and more to me. The problem with so-called metaphysical groups is that you don't really experience the transcendent out of wishes and wondering about it. Doesn't the holy go beyond that? The following two pages have the next Workbook Activity. It is implied that one will become more a part of one's dreams, if one pays attention to the fine details of the external and internal environments in it. The Spiritual Exercise of the month is then gone over in detail. I don't know why it needs to say that the white stones of the garden path are "firm." "Walking to a Temple of Golden Wisdom" may symbolize the slow approach needed for attaining wisdom. The idea of meeting Wah Z (Harold Klemp), Peddar Zaskq (Paul Twitchell, and Rebazar Tarz represents much the same as meeting Angel Gabriel/Vohu Manu/Garuda/the Blue Bird/The Big Fly/The Holy Ghost along with whoever you deem to be the main prophets of your faith. Along with this symbolism should be the second historical and the 972nd ECK Master, Dap Ren (Darwin Gross). I will imagine no such thing; much in the same way that I don't imagine archangels and such in cosmological rituals. One may also say this group is a representation of what is current, what was the original, and what the source was. Entry into a long vast room may represent making room for an experience or a set of actions. It may also represent a mental construction of consciousness that is beyond what is simple to grasp. The imagining other ECK Masters sitting waiting for you represents a desire of approval from a hierarchy. The idea that the leaf in a box comes from the Living ECK Master represents perceived approval from a current system of authority. Is the leaf in a box about being sentimental or holding on to the remains of a dead way? The final Workbook Activity of this lesson is on page 212 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I've had no experience with the leaf so far except the fact that I can visualize things. In my Eckankar related dreams, the ECK Masters never have the presence of living things or actual beings. The Mahanta doesn't give anyone gifts who doesn't encounter him in the physical body or through communications that rely on his physical body. I can, however, wonder about the spiritual purpose of my dreams and think of how they can bring me closer to God. 11/3/1436 The Sound Technique and The ECK Dream 1 Discourses Lesson 10
The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp page 214 has a man laying on his right side with an awesome, but unrealistic painting of the night sky on the other side of his bed. It looks like he could reach over to his nightstand and put on his glasses. Then he could go over and use the pencil and blank pages in the nearby book to record his experiences. The quote confirms the implication of the placement that means that Eckankar wants credit for all your inner experiences and to hold it as the head of all teachings for what is attained one one's own. Is it counterproductive to spiritual freedom to assert that you are constantly being taught by a group when there is no physical teaching going on and it is controlling your life outside of what you do as part of it? Lesson 10: Gifts of the Dream Master Some businessmen were curious as to what Eckankar was and it was difficult for them to talk without using Eckankar jargon. The ECKists explained it to the Christians in parallel terms. It is important to use language that others can understand and to show similarity, but be honest. If one can speak in terms of similarity, why wouldn't telling differences not be as easy-going? Is Eckankar responsible for the inner teachings? Certainly this must be the case in terms of projections it programs into you. Do its "inner teachings..set it head and shoulders above everyone else?" The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp speaks of "outer trappings" that are similar to other so-called religions. Why should religion need to trap people, if it was about true liberation and enlightenment? I tend to think actual religion breaks one free from the trappings one was in. Eckankar tries to make its members and practitioners feel special for being exposed to teachings "seldom put into writing." Eckankar speaks of an Ahma Qavani speaking on behalf of the barons before King John of England and helping them towards drafting the Magna Carta of 1215 C.E., but an internet search only showed results that relied on Eckankar members for his existence. How would being involved in such efforts speak of a Living ECK Master having "a spiritual concern only?" The taking a role in counteracting outer debauchery by intitiating a series of initiates and speaking to them seems a very arbitrary allegation. Is "reading the ECK-Vidya" a "talent of clearly seeing the effects of our past and present behavior upon future events?" Trouble may be karmic, but it is probably unjust to blame people for being responsible for everything or to say they deserve all the hardship in their life. Does organized religion have a better answer for the problem of evil in how the prophets taught that we are tested and rewarded for our patience and perseverance? Life is full of effort and we have to wonder at claims to be able to divine the causes of things. Does prophecy come naturally with looking into dreams? When people look into their dreams trying to find prophecies in them and previously unknown things that are seeing their results, it certainly can feel that way. Is Harold Klemp right on The ECK Dream 1 Discourses page 217 when he teaches that there can be "great spiritual goals too soon" or is that the ideal to be slowly and realistically striven for from the start? A concept of "God Awareness and all the virtues that accompany it" can be worked on today without procrastination. The prophets often received their revelations only as fast as they could learn and be inspired by them, but how can this be the same in terms of exposure to outer initiations and inner ECK works or things like Eckankar discourses? Some will be more attracted to "love, teaching, service, or contemplation" than prophecy or other forms of divination; like Golden-tongued Wisdom. Some will develop any part of a teaching they come across rather than specialization. Does the complete Eckankar program bring God-Realization and its fruitive actions or Karma Yoga? Harold Klemp offers a conflicting picture; both in example and word. Harold Klemp talks on page 218 like he can't even put together a single discourse upon the issue of ECK-Vidya. Again the issue relies on you to find it in the dream teachings that he allegedly gives you. What about dreams had by people before membership in Eckankar? What about dreams by people who never join? The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp admits on page 219 that the ECK-Vidya has flaws, but still claims it is a reliable method of gauging your conditions. Page 220 seems to draw me towards the idea that ECK is more properly E.C.K. and the 9 of the order of the Order of Vairagi Adepts mean the nine of the Greek Enneades or some other such thing represented by the Nine Silent Ones who use to run Eckankar. It was a board of nine, plus two Living ECK Masters, until the one who voted for Darwin Gross to remain the 972nd ECK Master and
Mahanta and a Living ECK Master. Now a days, it is said to be five or less corporate leaders. Is Ennead Corporate Kinesis or something like that what ECK is supposed to mean? The ECK Dream 1 Discourses are said to be the result of a "decision reached by the Order of Vairagi Adepts...to feature...near the entry level into ECK. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp goes over an experience Harold Klemp allegedly had with Peddar Zaskq in a research room of the Param Akshar Temple on the Soul Plane. He was looking over a copy of an ECK-Vidya reading for him from years ago. People used to pay whomever was called the Living ECK Master for this Akashic Record like readings. Is this upon reality or mere soothsaying? Wah Z deemed it important to look over Paul Twitchell's style of writing. A hologram of a knight during the first crusade was interpreted as a past life of his. Peddar Zaskq (Paul Twitchell) was to make a note of the images as quickly as they appeared. Peddar Zaskq was said to have went through and selected the images with the quickness of lightning. The style changed as it went to a scene interpreted as Harold Klemp having a past incarnation as a contemporary poet of Jalal ad-Din ar-Rumi. Despite all the poetry and such, the room was quiet. Harold Klemp ended up convincing himself that these ECK-Vidya dreams and similarly categorized experiences was the way to gain convictions on non-specific issues. The goal was to be able to read them for one's self. Isn't that what a person does in the dream state rather than the dream characters being separate from his consciousness who tell external information? If this method is broad and fallible, how can the message be as clear as it is said to be with the claims of help? We don't start full of knowledge. Belief and faith are what we start with upon our conscious return to God. Every path seems to strive towards some sense of selfmastery, but ECK Mastership takes this individuation to the extent of auto-deism. Our experience of reality may be fully based on what we are and what is in us, but I hardly think that means "every higher human and spiritual force combines within us." We may be capable of transcendental experiences and may exist on a metaphysical level, but that doesn't mean that we need any less of a relationship with what is outside us. I guess that is what they mean by spiritual rather than religious. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses page 220 attempts to program people into thinking survival isn't that important. It tries to support this by relating to the material reality souls are in as a burden we are weighed down by. The next page tells people that laws of survival are just where you have to be in a physical body. How can what we are told outside of Eckankar about heavenly realms be misconceptions, if it is truly orthodox or correctly believing? That is how Harold Klemp refers to the teachings of priests or those who lead rituals. "A Higher Initiate of ECK" drew attention to how the Americans kept Vietnamese isolated from each other in small cells; hoping to break them psychologically. One of them had already been tortured "by the North Vietnamese." A man on the other side regained his will to live when he found a method to communicate with him by a wire shoved through a crack between cells. It seemed to "the Higher Initiate" that former prisoners of war had a greater chance of worldly success than the veterans that weren't. Whatever field of work they found, they credited the discipline and selfpurification they underwent by their ordeals. There are other ways and no one should bring such hardship upon one's self. The point is that beneficial learning may occur in almost any situation. Page 222 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses tries to convince that nightmares and horrible inner experiences are "a gift of the Dream Master." Doesn't this make it seem like this alleged Dream Master casts powerful curses on his followers? Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor E. Frankl tells of a composer in a concentration camp had a dream in February of 1945 that the war would end March 30th of that year. The dreamer slipped into his final unconsciousness with typhus on that day instead. Could an astral entity really kill a person as Harold Klemp teaches? The drug doctrines of Eckankar mentions how hard drugs, like tobacco, alcohol, and medication opening one to influences that might otherwise be resisted or play no conscious role. Drugs kill people, but I'll have to side with the Islamic teaching of their being no ghouls or spirits that physically hurt people. Are dream studies without so-called experts guidance full of any more dangers? The next page teaches that ECK-Vidya shows "future probabilities." How does one know what is a prophetic dream? Eckankat teaches that it takes effort and imagination. Doesn't that seem like it is personal philosophizing that mostly guides the ECKist rather than Eckankar?
A spiritual view of a dream is a mental placement of it in that category or a use of knowledge of it for such a purpose. How can one be receiving "crucial information" that one is to "take for granted?" Why develop a conviction that the spiritual leader of Eckankar is the Dream Master using such for communication, if such a contradiction is in the same paragraph that Harold Klemp refers to as "the Word of ECK?" The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp page 223 does not speak of the sunny-side as optimism, but it refers to such as considering whoever Eckankar believers call the Dream Master as working on your behalf rather than to maintain his salary and celebrity. Dreams can warn of things, but I think they are ignoring that the messages are often transformed versions of personal conceptions that don't ring true. Soul and Spirit can become as one. To keep our true being, the reality of ourselves that transcends the material world, in agreement with itself is a very important thing to strive for. I would agree with Harold Klemp that people should act as if they've already realized the truth about God, but not in the sense of being gods right now. That is really what the ECK Masters are treated as-lesser gods. Reality is not whatever we think and it is important what we choose to believe. A practice of the presence of God and other spiritual exercises can be done in any place and any situation. A Chela or Eckankar initiate kept a dream journal, but found few entries in years. She started to record occurrences that she thought were significant in their too. I've kept as detailed of a spiritual journal as I deemed reasonable, for years. She started to let her defenses down and it helped her to change how she reacted towards others and herself. The point isn't made in Eckankar, but it is more important to strive for orthopraxy or correct action than for experiences. Eckankar tells people they can "receive the full Light and Sound of God." Wouldn't you agree that the idea of receiving the full light of The Light or the full sound of The Sound severely limits God to what his creations are? This must be true, even if you consider these as names of God. We can be prepared to manifest more. We can climb the Mountain of God beyond what we have been prepared to, if God so wills. Are or will any of the so-called ECK Masters ever be at the Top of the Mountain? It is certainly so according to the minds of their worshipers. Eckankar teaches to give them respect, but not worship. Aside from those who haven't decided to do otherwise, I don't see how the phrase can be anything, but contradictory nonsense. I Want to Hear the Sound Current Spiritual Exercise: The 22nd month in Eckankar has its Spiritual Exercise of ECK starts off by saying, "I want to hear the Sound Current." in silence and then drifting off to sleep listening to all the sounds in the room. This is called the Sound Technique and it allegedly makes people notice of celestial sounds beyond that. Some people have claimed to have more dreams where sound was noticed when doing such things. Are we experiencing ECK or Divine Light and Sound by such methods or is it the usual stimulus with the occasional psychedelic phenomenon? My final practice of this rite was between 1:20 and 5:12 A.M. on Wednesday the 31st of December, 2014 or the 8th through 10th hour of the night of 9/3/1436: For a week or so, frivolous songs would get stuck in my head as I did the Sound Technique. That didn't happen that Wednesday night. I heard wind blow through grass as I went to sleep. I saw the moon rise shallowly over nine thrones. A vampyre was seated in each of these. Things grew very dark. Then, I saw two rainbow colored serpents wrap around each other and me. A peacock stood by making different pitched sounds as they changed colors. The peacock made higher pitched sounds as the colors tended more towards red and lower pitched sounds as the colors tended more towards violet. Mermen and mermaids swam in the nearby sea. A human became a wolf and I found with it till I could bind it. The werewolf became complacent as I carried it to an altar that fifty-six people were building. I separated the two snakes and sat them down. They became plainly colored and the peacock went away. I sat the lycanthrope upon the altar and watched it turn into the Princess of Cups. She was at an age that she was about to hit puberty or had already become an adolescent, but didn't yet look like a woman. The sun rose low over eleven thrones; each with a vampyre in it. She quickly aged from about 10-12 to where she looked around forty-six years old. I carefully handed her the Goetia sigilia for the period of Scorpio or numbers fiftyone through fifty-six without touching her. These were in the form of a golden coin,
a green & red coin, an orange coin, a red coin, a tin coin, and another red & green coin. I picked up a tortoise shell lyre and played a tune upon it. I chanted, danced, and performed other arts. A wreath was placed upon my head. A dragon circles round her breathing sparks upon the altar. I knew not to fight, because she was not bound. I would stop on occasion to do something that was obviously religious. I would notice her waving at me from afar when I took a break. As the scene faded, the tortoise lyre turned into a giant tortoise that I rose into the sunset. I heard crickets. I continued to hear them as I woke up. I woke up with my heart racing. I felt sped up for a while after waking. I was extraordinarily calm and content. I felt fully rested, despite lacking some sleep; as per my usual requirements. Dream Interpretation: The crickets can be seen as a symbol of protection and of prediction of movement. I wish to protect the Princess of Cups, but can predict some of her future to a degree that others don't seem to be able to. The tortoise is as the constellation Lyra; which is the first decante of Sagittarius. The mercurial expression of this decan is as Work being the Three of Disks. There is still work to be done. As a venusian decan, it means Initiate or Devotee. I must go on my way not compromising my life as a devotee to God and should go on to gain further spiritual initiations by experience or learning. The Lyre is a symbol of armor; as well as the devotional and healing side of music. I must maintain my spiritual defenses in relation to her and other manners. I should perform my spiritual arts for the benefit of myself and others. The dragon is as Draco or the Second Decan of Libra in its lunar mode as Debauch or the Seven of Cups. The merfolk and vampires can be seen as its saturnal guise as Self-Sufficiency. Dragons guard treasure and princesses in mythology. The Arcadian Apples that distracted Atalanta in the myth are also represented here. The dragon represents what is holding her back from winning the race. The sound of the sea is said in Eckankar to be a sign of being on the Astral Plane; which is listed as the Second Plane and First Heaven. If true, this would imply it was an experience of emotions. The wreath is as Corona Australis or the Southern Crown. This is as the Two of Swords sees its Venusian meaning as Peace with her waving at me and witnessing to the effects of my spirituality. This constellation's Solar meaning or Achievement is seen in that I conveyed what was necessary. The Altar is as the constellation Ara as the Ten of Swords. There are myths of the building of an altar to worship God by those treated as lesser gods and goddesses. Its solar title or Ruin is seen in the fifty-six that built it and the fact that it seems to be a symbol of a potential for future destruction. I have shared the fifty-six explicit verses of love by and for God that are found in Al Qoor'aan with her. I am almost certain that I have shared my views upon the eleven verses of this subject from the Bible as well. This card's solar tile as Oppression can be seen how she has been scapegoated, despite people being partially or just as responsible for her bad behavior or being guilty of similar misdeeds themselves. This can also represent people discouraging her in regard to each of those fifty-six messages for this age. There are fifty-six cards of the Minor Arcana in the Tarot and most lives have seen some hardship in each of these categories. The uranian symbolism of this card as Responsibility or Duty is seen in my handing over of the Talismans representing the defeat of the evils and bad things attributed to Gamory, Orobos, Murmur, Camio, Alloces, and Ba`alam. My duty was only to convey ways to deal with these categories of life and that which is referenced by the number fifty-six. If one starts the New Year at the Vernal Equinox and divides it into seventy-two or seventy-three portions, this dream was in portion number fifty-six. The peacock is as the constellation Pavo. The symbolic role here is as the paean it sang along with the colors and the bliss that I felt. This constellation also represents immortality. Are we not immortal, in a way, as souls? I was as Ophiuchus or the first decante of Scorpio. This is the Nine of Sword in the Tarot. Its martian symbolism is as the cruelty of the dragon towards me and the behavior of the fifty-six towards her. Its venusian title is Resourceful and that was seen in the resources that I shared with her.
The werewolf, I picked up was as the constellation Lupus or the Wild Beast. Its docile nature after the fight was as the jovial title of the Eight of Cups as Indolence. Its plutonian title or Make Haste was seen in how quickly the Princess of Cups aged upon the altar; from years before I met her to when I met her to the point where most of her potential life span is gone. The snakes were as the constellation Serpens or the constellations Serpens Caput and Serpens Cauda. This is as the first decante of Libra and the Six of Cups. Its solar symbolism is its title Pleasure. That was seen in the pleasures I experienced. It's lunar title is Ethics. That was represented as its patterns. These two snakes and me was as a caduceus. The whole of the experiences in the dream was as medicine to me. The other thing a caduceus represents is business. It may be that is something left from me that the to sell people on. The low dragging of the sun and moon is as the myth of the heels of the sun and moon connected with Scorpio. It was the eleventh day, starting with the Winter Solstice. The sighting of the crescent moon rendered it the ninth night of the month. The thrones were those numbers. The lowness is as the idea that a pursuer is hot on the heels. The Twentieth numbered Trump of the Tarot is Judgement or Aeon and having a system of Judgement that is relevant to this era is central to the messages that I convey. The sound of wind is said in Eckankar theology to be the sound of the Alakh Lok (Invisible Sphere) or 6th Plane (It is listed as the seventh named one; as the Etheric Plane is listed as a Plane rather than merely a higher area of the Mental as it is described). If the word of the Plane is Shanti, that would imply the experience is one of bringing peace. Workbook Activities: The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp has Workbook Activity 2.10.1 on pages 226 and 227. I like useful gifts "that make my life go easier," but I don't belief Harold Klemp offers many to people. Things that come with a paid membership or by buying other things from the Eckankar Corporation can hardly be considered gifts. Fun gifts can inspire. I am grateful to God instead. That keeps me finding more to be grateful for. I'm not writing a thank you letter to Harold Klemp; nor will I write any future Mahanta thanking him for what I do or what God does for me beyond that. The next Workbook Activity is on the following page. Eckankar considers a person as graduating from a year of study when they renew their membership. The practitioner has to wonder whether or not they are finding out the cause of the effects they are seeing the results of wishful thinking. I don't feel like imagining that I am side-by-side with Harold Klemp in his dream he considered to be of a research room in Param Akshar. I can think of no gift I discovered beyond specific meanings and applications that I figured out. I will work out some of those in different ways as time goes by. Workbook Activity 2.10.3 is on page 229 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I think almost anyone would like to spend more time feeling "strong, free, and" not held back by limits." I would strongly discourage anyone asking a Mahanta who is not physically present about these traits. Isn't the idea of being limitless delusions of grandeur for a creation? The next Workbook Activity is on the following page. The woman in the story about a dream within a dream about the world ending was about looking on the bright side; as she decided to just watch it rather than worry and resist. My dreams lately have been hidden, except for shadows in light. Whether a dream or experience is from ourselves, one of the devils, or even God, I don't think it makes sense to even try to pretend that everything is a gift of love. Do you think you could convince yourself that looking on the bright side of life is to consider your dreams or experiences as out of your control and controlled by another? I can't convince myself that is always positive or even the best thing. Some control of other's experiences, psychic or otherwise, must be in ways not in a way pleasing to God. Workbook Activity 2.10.5 is on page 231 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. Aside from saying HU (like Hugh or hue), few Spiritual Exercises of ECK come with a message to do them "as often as you like." I was never the sort of person to pretend as if I had my own divinity. I don't recommend that. I do recommend acting as if you have realized the truth about God instead of the sense some speak of when
they speak of being God-Realized. I believe that Self-Realization requires knowing you are a separate and no one is ever truly one with God or otherwise looses their individuality. I have tried to act with consciousness of the reality of God enough that I notice no change; feeling or otherwise. This page recommends it for an hour. The next page has the following activity. I can look back on the last few days to see if I made any progress, but won't ask some shower of the way to posses me and draw attention to things. It can be a great idea to put experiences from the day as well as dreams in a spiritual journal. The following page has another activity. This is to examine your emotions as to why you would want to hear sound. The implication is that of a theophany, but is almost always an epiphany of a psychedelic or even ordinary sort. One is asked to draw or otherwise record what you have come to understand. As the discourses progress, the urging to worship the one they call Mahanta increases. Harold Klemp often writes or speaks about himself in the second or third person narrative in order to seem less like a megalomaniac. The final workbook activity of Lesson 10 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp is on pages 234 and 235. I notice no effect of Sound or sound upon my dreams that wasn't there to begin with. Sound is usually just an enhancement of what was there or even just noticing something in contemplation. The sound the women mentioned that did the Sound Technique before it ended up in the discourse heard changes in sound that were different than those listed as signals for what Plane on is on according to Eckankar cosmology charts. One lesson it to gain understanding that is more than just repeating a list. One should pay attention to the states in meditation, when you are hypnogogic, and sleep. 30/3/1436 HU Blank Silent HU While Casually Looking for the Light Spiritual Exercise & The ECK Dream 1 Discourses Lesson 11 The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp has an illustration of a haloed woman standing on a cliff's edge on page 238. Is she just a soul considering jumping and ending her life that rests firmly on her perception of the material world and starting a new life upon the conceptions of multiple lifetimes with Eckankar? She looks down on a daytime scene on American pioneers with a covered wagon. What lessons can she learn from the way things were? In the distance is a nighttime scene of a futuristic palace in the moon light. What lessons can she learn from what people think things will be like? The picture is captioned with a quote from page 242 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. The context is a woman wondering why she is in her current marriage. Is she just imagining past lifetimes rather than dealing with her marriage in terms of this life? Lesson 11: Looking at Our Past People who wanted to read an in depth study of dreams symbols will be disappointed in The ECK Dream 1 Discourses. It relies on you to come up with that stuff; as well as finding the Apollonian and Dionysian values in life. If understanding or experience is all your own to control or figure out, what good is Eckankar as a guide to life? The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad is the chief text of Eckankar and is said to exist in twelve volumes or one for each plane before Akshar Realization (except the Etheric Plane which is counted as part of the Mental Plane). The first of two volumes is quoted on page 239. The quote refers to the soul enjoying its experiences in life and their vehicles. It goes on to imply that people become supreme rulers of their personal worlds through lucid dreaming. Is this true? Can't one achieve selfmastery while fully accepting God as ruler in all aspects of life; Lord, King, and God? Harold Klemp is right that we should want to live a fully spiritual life today. Would that be best through a path like Eckankar or should we follow Al Qoor'aan 2.208 and "Enter into Islam whole-heartedly?" The verse continues by saying, "do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Certainly, He is to you an enemy manifested." Is one of the ways the satanic forces manifest is through what people project as Dream Master and other apparitions of a Mahanta and other ECK Masters? They are said to reveal their way. Part of that way is projecting current issues upon alleged incarnations before our existence in this human body. Why can't looking at this
current incarnation be sufficient? There are dreams and other experiences where time and space seem to have no meaning, but that doesn't mean "any experience..a thousand years ago is just as accessible as one of today." The Tahitians invaded Hawaii about a thousand years ago. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses page 240 implies that people knew of a dream master and helped their families to understand their dreams each morning. The truth behind this was that they preferred the elders of the community to interpret dreams; which they called ho'ike na ka po- or visitors of the night. There would also be personal interpretations and familial interpretations of kupa wale or dreams that come on their own and no'ono'o mua or premeditated dreams. Thus far, Eckankar projects the dream giving function away from God and spirits to ECK (Ennead Consciousness Kinesis?) Masters and doesn't mention that you can program yourself to have certain dream as clearly. Tales from the Night Rainbow by Pali Lee and Koko Willis talk of flying dreams being thought of as traveling through inner worlds among the Hawaiians. Dreams are a way of figuring out your health and other personal truths in more cultures than that. Harold Klemp is wrong about the Tahitians being opposed to dream interpretations and love in general, but they certainly placed their culture as superior in public life. The Eckankar doctrine is that this was a war between Kal or Jot Niranjan (The Highest One without Blame) and ECK (God as a Verb or the Holy Spirit; which is called Gabriel, Jibreel, Vohu Manu, and other names). I don't see how any interpretation of these makes sense, if God is the Highest, God is Ever Active and the Unfallen Angels, like Archangel Gabriel never disobeyed God. Are people attracted to Hawaii for its climate and outer beauty or the alleged past lives of those who visited there. Do you think Eckankar is right about the Garden of Eden being nearer to Paliula than the Mesopotamian valley? Hawaiian tradition certainly has the Green Cliff (Paliuli) as an equivalent, but neither the descriptions or Eden is as the same place. Both myths refer to a natural and spiritual paradise that likely have links in physical realities. Al Qoor'aan 30.30 teaches we were created upon nature. Eckankar teaches our truest state is a divinity that we work towards. How can "the dream teachings of ECK..bring you closer to your divine nature," if healing, finding lost things, gaining riches, defeating enemies, and other miracles do not happen more commonly in the lives of the initiates of Eckankar? Even the blind and deaf may see light and hear sound. Connecting to Light and Sound is supposed to be the focus of the leader of Eckankar, but isn't focusing on a leader as an intercessor diverting us from a direct relationship with God? The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp is correct on page 241 about the best part of a soul's existence is after they connect with God through sights and sounds. Al Qoor'aan 8.35 agrees with him on the next point about wind and percussion instruments not being a path to God. Why then are musical instruments used as part of ECK Worship Services, other official Eckankar events, and in heard in some Eckankar media? The way to God may be through the secrets of our heart, but the outer deeds reflect the inner beliefs and feelings. It is also true that spiritual practices lead to realizations and expanding of consciousness, though. I do not agree with the teaching on the next page about spiritual realities being hidden to those who revel in the bodily enjoyments. Some of the people who enjoy the physical realms the most are also the most spiritually aware. Do you ascribe to their hierarchy of separation into physical realms, psychic realms, and spiritual realms? I see no reason why one has neglect one to fully realize another. Nor would I consider the nature of any one of them to be impure. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp speaks of the past resulting in the current conditions on page 242. Is it a Dream Master showing you past lives or your own thinking over the issues that results in understanding specifics of that? The freedom to love life probably doesn't rely on coming up with an explanation of your situations. I will tell you truly that this life alone will explain any emotional state. The story of a Higher Initiate who dreamt of reading an orange binder that said she was a nun in a past life doesn't establish that it was either a Causal Plane dream or that it was reconfirming a knowing that she was a nun in the past. Couldn't she have figured out why she felt like she was being suppressed? Is anyone really freed by thinking that a condition stemmed from a past life? If they feel liberated from the condition, are they just repressing the truth? Aren't marriages of convenience explainable by the perception that they somehow make life easier or better than not being married? The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp teaches that they aren't on page 242 and 243. After stating that they
probably stem from a past life, he mentions an alleged past life recall that projects an ECK Initiate (Card Carrying Eckankar Member) and her spouse as an old couple traveling in a covered wagon to a new life in the Old West. They needed each other to survive in the dream as they do in what everyone knows is real life. She thought that she had grown spiritually and was probably dissatisfied that her husband hadn't changed with her. Eckankar teaches that dreams or visions of the past or future require traveling on the Time Track. Is that what she did with who she considered the Dream Master? The dream both made clear that she still felt an attachment, but she wanted it to be more. As much as Harold Klemp and the previous two known as Living ECK Master, in their lifetime, make it sound like they fate people into situation, he admitted that they have their decision of what they will do together in the future. The ECK-Vidya: Ancient Science of Prophecy by Paul Twitchell projects a past of Eckankar before 1964 and is also wrong about automatic liberation when dreams are understood. Don't we have to act on truths we figure out? The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp page 243-245 speaks of space visitors. Why would he feel hesitant in witting about this, if he really knew, as the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master, that it was the explicit Word of God for the discourses? Eckankar says that the Agam Des of the Hindu Kush Mountain range is a landing place for both ships from the Astral Plane (the place of UFOs and psychic phenomenon) and other planets. Agam Des is a place that seems unknown outside of the Radhasoami groups, the Theosophical Society, Eckankar, and related groups. How then can people claim to objectively know it exists? Harold Klemp was trained as a Lutheran and knows orthodox means correctly believing. If he is really a believer, why would he refer to any other church as orthodox since before he became a leader in Eckankar? Harold Klemp is mostly right in his profession that the rejection of the concept of life was because it questioned the superior role of humans among creations. The format without the Workbook Activities and CD of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp was first printed in 1988. So you can expect some out of date ideas. The Vatican made the possibility of alien life and encounters an official doctrine of the Catholic Church after Pope John Paul II. Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis have made that clear. This would be supportive of how Harold Klemp describes some "experiences that people report about space visitors which are actually meetings in a hyperphysical state of awareness or a hypo-astral state" as having "little to do with space visitors from some other galaxy in our universe. He mentions Communion by Whitley Strieber. I used to read every relevant UFO and alien book in the library. Whitley Strieber was one of my favorite authors in High School. The truth behind Whitley Strieber may very well be explained through his 1988 diagnoses of Temporal Lobe Epilepsy by Doctor Donald Klein. Harold Klemp's association of UFO and related phenomenon as psychic and astral may be in how he formulates a theory of Whitley Strieber around that man's claims of being a psychic. Harold Klemp doesn't deny the reality of such experiences; just that they are not how they have been interpreted. I do not deny that people in Eckankar and other paths have certain experiences. I just do not believe they are always what they are interpreted as. Flying around a room is clearly an out-of-body-experience, but some distinguish it as a physical reality rather than an psychedelic or psychic. Strieber's wife speaking with a different voice may be an astral entity or demon rather than control of spacemen. Whitley's little white thing was more likely to be a fallen angel or even a psychic projection. Most religions and spiritual paths would agree that beings of other dimensions and nonphysical types of creation commonly dwell in this world or go back and forth between this and another realm. Most spiritual paths would agree with Harold Klemp in that those metaphysical being can't conquer Earth. Only beings in a physical body can do that. Is the ECK-Vidya right about how space aliens will conquer Earth in several generations? Harold Klemp doesn't want aliens to be a central issue in Eckankar. I think it is for a lot of people. Eckankar teaches that people have went through hundreds of reincarnations; some of which are not physical. I would not hesitate to agree that we have had existence in metaphysical realms; even before birth. Wouldn't Astral Plane, Causal Plane, Mental Plane, and Etheric Plane experiences and lives be while incarnated in the current physical body? They all sound psychedelic or psychic to me. That requires a physical body to operate in and around. The ECK Vidya; The Science of Prophecy by Paul Twitchell is likely most of what will be encountered in Eckankar material about out lives on the other planes. Those lives and experiences as well as those of the purely spiritual realms are important to dream study. I would say they are important
to the whole of life, but it seems better to not see them as separate incarnations from the body we have had since before birth. Is it true that without the ways that Eckankar teaches, people wouldn't be able to remember early dreams and be convinced of personal freedom? The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Book 1 teaches that no one achieves the spiritual heights without Eckankar training. The next quote teaches that a person will be a failure without "a specific attitude and viewpoint" that amounts to depersonalization disorder. Do you really want a clinical psychiatric disorder just to try to be satisfied with your alleged spiritual powers? Eckankar teaches that Dream Travel and Soul Travel can include that which ranges from peaceful to warlike. Sahasra-dal-Kanwal is said to be the capital for the astral. Harold Klemp I am very much reminded of Genesis 6.1-4; when The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp page 246 talks about the intermarriage between the visitors to the Astral Plane and astral beings. Other Eckankar works make clear that these astral beings are what is known as fire beings, fallen angels, faery, daevas, asuras, and Jinn. I don't believe in ghouls or that beings with material bodies can have hybrid children with incorporeal beings. How could such a blend be indistinguishable from natives of whatever realm the offspring end up in? Harold Klemp teaches that these are "a little smaller in stature than the original citizens of the city...fair haired and gentle..slight roughness of the skin." Could they be thought form entities like golem and tulpa? Harold Klemp tells us that peaceful visitors to the Astral Plane go there to learn about past lives and gain "the experiences...which they need." I am reminded how Al Qoor'aan 72.4-6 talks about people seeking refuge with jinn, the foolish among them attributing lies to God, and only ending up with more into sin and transgression. Could Eckankar mentions of God Worlds be falsely attributing personal and demonic projections to be revelations of God? Harold Klemp says the astral beings in charge round up illegal immigrants and keep them in jails long enough to prove who is in charge; as if people outside of Eckankar usually only have such experiences through forbidden occult or black magic that they need punished for. Could the detention centers for visitors to the fallen angel realms be hellish experiences that God's exemplar and messenger prophets called the madness and appearance of devils? Dream Travel and Soul Travel is described like inner plane projections with the talk of inner planes. It doesn't appear to me like people tend to increase in compassion as they social network online; much less with various psychic and truly metaphysical creations through such systems of practice. Eckankar talks about focusing on visiting other places rather than focusing on trying to recall a past life all the time. They are probably right about that getting boring. Broadening and exploring one's conception of cosmology is probably more enriching. After all, Genesis 6.3 claims God as a Noun and Verb said, "My Spirit won't dwell in man forever, since he is of a physical body..." I whole heartedly believe that is true and we are hear to become more knowledgeable in spiritual matters and act that out in daily life. There is some truth to kamit or the Law of Silence, but that probably doesn't mean that personal knowledge and experience of psychic (Astral, Causal, Mental, Etheric) and metaphysical (Purely Soul or Spirit realms) needs to remain a personal secret. Is that just to not throw doubt on the idea that Harold Klemp has the Mahanta Consciousness or the Highest State of Awareness? I would venture many do know of things that none of those called ECK Masters will ever understand. Al Qoor'aan 10.28 speaks of what will happen between those who treat others as a partner or co-worker with God and the worshiped. Those were were treated as gods and goddesses will be separated from their worshipers. The next verse speaks of the testimony that the worshiped lacked knowledge of their worship. People may create or support a cult of worship instead of mere respect (Eckankar members says, "We give him respect, but not worship" in a meaningless way.), but they don't know the fine details of what they are not physically there to witness. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp goes over the benefits of a dream journal on page 248. It seems odd that someone could go fourteen year as an Eckankar member without ever having a dream journal to occasionally record dreams and such, but that is the claim. He found it helped bridge his inner and outer life. One should expect this; as a primary function of dreams seems to be processing our waking existence. He was able to use the record as a memory aid. I too have forgotten dreams and details of dreams and visions, because of being unable to get the details down quick enough. He formulated dream interpretations as he organized his account to think about what says about him. I primarily interpret things in themselves and
in their immediate context. He relished in the release he got by recording what he recalled and not focusing on it. Whether this is leaving the mind free to work through other issues or not dwelling on bad dreams without ignoring them, it seems like good advice. So many Eckankar members seem to have bad dreams and ultimately ignore the truth of them by considering them a way of paying of a debt. Al Qoor'aan opens up by saying God is Lord of all worlds. Surely, this includes all light and sound, but is the Eckankar context of these ideas accurate? Hu, Blank, and Silent HU while Casually Looking for the Light Spiritual Exercise: The 23rd month in Eckankar calls for a Spiritual Exercise of ECK that consists of singing HU (like hue) as a love song to God for a minute or two, pausing in silence for a minute or two, and then silently chanting HU. The whole time, one is supposed to be paying attention for any light that shows up. One is supposed to gaze at the inner view "in a dreamy sort of way; not being too eager to see anything appear upon it." Contrary to The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp page 249, I tell you that no Dream Master or Mahanta tells you when to stop or go silent. Am I right that it is your own internal clock and processes that determine this? The practice is to do this "at least four times each week" and alternate a basic HU (slowly say Hugh) chant on the days you don't do this. Like most of the Spiritual Exercises, this has a recommended twenty minutes. HU: A Love Song to God is a CD that ends with a group HU chant that is of a similar length. The practitioner or ECKist is supposed to let the images go and come until light that is deemed the Light of God takes over. Psychedelic light may be according to the laws of God, but that can't be the same as a theophany. I had started with Spiritual Exercise 2.11 after dusk the night of the 31st of December, 2014 and included it as part of my sleeping practices until just before dawn on January 19, 2015. Between 12:33 and 5:08 A.M. was my last working of the HU, Go Blank, and then Silently Chant HU spiritual exercise. In previous workings, the light would become less wild and varied. Sometimes, I would wake with my heart beating faster. 7th through 9th hour of the Night of 28/3/1436 Dream: Last night, I was filled with a deep calm and sense of power as the light cleared to form like a cloudy, but bright day. A gigantic turtle rose out of the water like and island. There was a giant human skull atop it. A wheel with eighty-four spokes coming out of its rim was attached to its forehead. Each of these spokes had a different number painted on it. I stood in the middle of a triangle upon the shore of this lake. Around me, was six white mice and six black mice. A snake approached me from outside of the left side of the triangle asking, "Do you want to know how many past lives you had?" I said, "Yes." It swam across the lake and spun the Wheel of Eighty-Four. It landed on number zero. A tiger approached me from the right side of the triangle asking, "Do you want to know how many future lives you will have?" I said, "Yes." It swam across the lake to spin the Wheel of Eighty-Four. Around and around it went until it landed upon the black spoke with the number zero in white upon it. A weasel approached me from corner of the triangle that was behind me. It had a hand-held mirror. I watched it turn it about showing the celestial sphere of stars in the lower heaven; both Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere. I stepped outside the triangle to see if I could hold the mirror. All I saw disappeared. I was suddenly at the foot of mountains that were higher than any on Earth. Between them was a canyon with a bizarre river that sparkled and foamed. It flowed through the valleys and had many distributaries. An ibis came up to me and told me, "It is time for your initiations." I went off alone to bath in different waters and it bathed in this strange river. We met again at night by a dirt road up the left side of the mountain on the left. I led this bird in thirteen bows of Taraweeh Assalat (Extended Contact Prayers). We then meditated into the night. As we stared into the darkness, a neon pink enveloped us, but we continued in our remembrance, Then a dark yellow came from all sides to replace the pink. This sort of thing happened with nine more layers of yellow; each lighter and brighter than the last. The later layers were so white that
it was hard to tell there was any yellow in them. Each layer felt like being pressed in while a breeze went through us. A thunder was heard as the mountains shook. A mountain sized beast, like and eagle, landed at the foot of the mountain. I had six different light green coins with me. Each had one of the sigillum of the Shem Ha-Maphorash upon it from the period of Sagittarius. I mixed them with my coins of the Goetia for the same twelfth of the year or numbers fifty-seven through sixty-two. I put three into a yellow bag. I put four into a blue bag. I put five into a blue bag. I would periodically cast one towards the beast and it would leave us alone for a while. I progressed to the top of the mountain and saw its nest filled with eggs and a silvery stone flecked with orange and purple. Day reached its brightest, but dark shadows lurked. The sparkling and foaming waters of the river that went through the canyon needed to be crossed. The ibis and me cut and shaped a tree into an arrow with the eagle's stone edged to form the arrowhead. We bridged the gap and proceeded to cross. We heard Eck being chanted over and over again when we were on the mountain to the left. As we crossed the arrow bridge, Hu (pronounced like hue) was heard. When we got to the mountain on the right, we heard Sugmad (soog-mahd) said over and over again. The eagle saw that we stole its stone and got mad. We were worried. We chanted what we read upon the arrow. We started to chant what we read upon the arrow; YHWH (God as a Noun and Verb). As we chanted Yahweh, the arrow shattered into many splinters that rained through the canyon upon the waters below. I awoke euphoric and as if I had an hour or so more sleep than I did. I have felt well rested all day. Interpretation of Dream on What They Call Martin Luther King Day in 2015: Eckankar would have you believe my experience was the inner form of my Second ECK Initiation that was repeated till I realized it. They would have you believe that the eagle was the Talons of Time; a manifestation of Kal. This is their name from Satan is defined as being Yahweh as well as Jot Niranjan or The Highest Without Fear or Blemish. That Blameless One over Time or Kal Niranjan is not a separate God of Evil, but God as a Noun and Verb as shown through one sort of meaning for SUGMAD and ECK. Just as HU is seen as the song to God that bridges them in this dream, Yahweh encompasses both themes, except for the idea of ECK as the Holy Spirit or Gabriel or angels. An ECKist interpretation also shows that the dream is an understanding of some of their spiritual laws. Agawan or the Wheel of Eighty-Four is seen in the scene representing an endless cycle of births and deaths. The snake, tiger, and weasel were as the three poisons of ignorance, anger, and greed. Also they were representatives of past, future, and present. The black and white mice are day and night. The skull and snake are symbols of certain death. The tiger is seen elsewhere as a symbol of time catching up with you. The rest of the dream would be seen in Eckankar as being the Mahanta or Way-Shower, the Living ECK Master appearing in bird form to give me an initiation and show the Spiritual Laws of Spiritual Unfoldment, Economy, Evolution, Progression, and Life. They would see the river as the Rivier of Death as that crossed on the way to the peak of Mount Aknok and the Valley of Girgenti. What is the more truthful way to interpret all this? My interpretation lays in grouping the first scene into a form of experiencing the 13th numbered Tarot Trump as Death, Life, and the Wheel of Eighty-Four. The first group can also be seen as having themes that can be related to mythology of the constellations Scorpio or the Scorpion and Telescopium or the Telescope (also known ad Mustela or the Weasel or Urania's Mirror. The sneakiness of the weasel was seen in how it lured me to where I didn't know I couldn't go. The triangle was both as the first plane of material manifestation and as the attribute of Scorpio in a former age; which was Cardinal Water instead of Cardinal Air. The mirror refers to the concept of mysteries within mysteries. The Wheel of Eighty-Four represented the many ends and beginnings in life. That is the truth that underlies the endless cycle of births and deaths myth. I believe in a preexistence and an afterlife for each of us; even though I deny the implications of reincarnation usually represented by these symbols. The tiger was as fear of the future. The snake was as ambiguity about the past. The giant's skull was as the translation known as death. The turtle emerging was as the translation of birth. I didn't think anyone has had a series of lives. I guess it was another inner guidance about the subject.
The second group of events can be seen as the 14th numbered Trump as Life, Economy, Progression, Spiritual Unfoldment, and Evolution. This series of events contains elements of myths of Sagittarius and its decantes Lyra or the Harp (also a Vulture or Ibis), Aquila or the Eagle, and Sagitta or the Arrow. These decans are connected to the Three, Four, and Five of Disks. The planetary attributes in Triplicity are Venus, Mercury, and Saturn. The planetary attributes of these decantes are also seen as Mercury, Moon, and Saturn. The Venusian symbolism of Lyra was seen in the Ibis and me as devotees. It was also seen through the visionary experience of the initiation of light and feeling. Its Mercurial symbolism was seen in the washing, prayer, and meditation that we had to do as our work for the initiation. The Mercurial symbolism of Aquila was seen in the adventure we had escaping it. Its Lunar symbolism of power was seen in the control it seemed to hold over the terrain. The bags the coins were sorted in represent the Three of Disks as having a secondary Air symbolism, the Four of Disks as having a Water symbolism, and the Five of Disks having a Fire Symbolism. The aspirations of Mutable Earth or the twelfth of the year represented by Scorpio was seen in the Shem Ha-Maphorash sigilia. The renunciation of the evils and prayers warding off the bad of the period and the exorcism of its evil entities is are represented by the sigilia of the Goetia over Ose, Amy, Orias, Naphula, Zagan, and Volac. In reverse order, these six coins were orange and purple, gold, silver, orange and bluish-purple, and orange. The periodic giving over of the bags was as spreading out the resources; yet still making them effective. The colors of the eagle's stone were as these attributes of the Eagle constellation. The Saturnal symbolism of Sagitta as usefulness was seen in the functions it played in the dream. Its other Saturnal symbolism or worry was seen in the shadows and worry felt upon our last confrontation. Yahweh is God as a Noun and Verb; as opposed to ECK as God as a Noun and ECK as God as a Verb. Even if we consider Eck to be an angel, angels, spiritual, or the Holy Spirit (which is the Archangel Gabriel), the effect is the same with the use of chanting HU (like Hugh) as a name of God to represent relations between the Eck and Sugmad or the God We Seek. The Tetragrammaton breaking the arrow shows the Saturnal symbolism of Sagitta as enlightenment of those who have merged their concept of God into a pure monotheism rather the denial of it in those who question that and have taken on concepts of plurality of gods and goddesses or plurality within God (the definition of polytheism); like those referenced in Al Qoor'aan 38.5-6. Workbook Activities: Workbook Activity 2.11.1 is on page 250. I came to be studying The ECK Dream 1 Discourses, Lesson 11, by Harold Klemp because I was looking for free religious literature and checked out a lot of material from the library in the year 2000 of the common era. I finally decided to go to Eckankar meetings and share upon what is good and true. I would bounce idea of their teachings and that led me to get the discourse series. Positive responses inside and outside of the group has led me to continue. I don't believe anyone has had a past life. So, there was no "greatest joy" in it. There was no purpose or meaning behind lifetimes that don't exist. The next Workbook Activity is upon the following page. Telling people to imagine that they are in Hawaii and telling them that what they just imagined may be past of a past life seems to be projecting concepts derived from the life of the body we are in into a previous existence. My dreams do give clues about my existence through the information conveyed. They sometimes make it easier for people to figure out their health or another truth. The next page has the following Workbook Activity. I have had insights about the past through dreams, but not any that would lead me to think I had a life in another material body. No male or female has the sort of divine nature that is implied. We are God's and not part god nor becoming a living god. I don't believe that we can interpret a dream as only on the Physical Plane because of a green color; nor a pink dream as Astral, nor an orange dream as Causal, nor blue in a dream as being on the Mental Plane, nor a purple dream as Etheric; nor a yellow in a dream meaning it was of the Soul Planes. Some dreams do seem to effect the way we feel or think, though. Workbook Activity 2.11.4 is on page 253 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. To a degree, all are probably ready to explore more of themselves. The call to "stretch your inner universe" by letting your imagination run wild has led many to find insanity via Eckankar, though. The talk of alien encounters as astral or
metaphysical experiences stands out. I would agree with Harold Klemp about these beings not being from outer space. Whether by occult practices or otherwise, I would add that some, if not most, of these are psychedelic experiences. Most of the heaven experiences that Eckankar talks about are psychedelic without anything distinctly otherworldly. You can tell by the references to the Astral Plane as emotional, the Causal Plane as a place of memories, the Mental Plane as intellectual, the Etheric Plane as the intuitive, as well as aspects of the Soul Plane and others. The next page has the following Workbook Activity. I already shared my thoughts around the 12th track of Excerpts for the ECK Dream 1 Discourses. I will say that when one finds out a spiritual leader is diagnosed with schizophrenia, one doesn't want to take their advice on matters of personal realities. The idea of not being self-abrogated is a valid psycho-spiritual travel tip. As opposed to the previous exercise, it makes the aliens from other worlds bit sound real as it asks you to put a star in a journal entry that may be of that sort. I discourage anyone who would pray to spiritual leaders. The following page has the next Workbook Activity. I haven't made any dream journal notes from the past few weeks, but recording them helps to organize and interpret my experiences. I didn't discover anything new through review of or recording in my journals lately. Workbook Activity 2.11.7 is on page 256 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. Unwanted conditions don't just go away with picking some creation and praying to it! Explanations don't always come. Life can become easier in some way, but imagining some Mahanta as guiding and caring for you is false security. They just proved when they send my slip to request the second initiation that the Spiritual Services center hasn't read all my reports; much less their Living ECK Master reading and remembering them. Recording of my experience of life does help me with recalling or at least referencing more of it. Moving on to the next peak experiences are easier when one is satisfied with the record and explanation of them. The final Workbook Activity of Lesson 11 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses is on the next two pages. I will share when I experience something unique or unusual with the Hu, Blank, and Silent HU while Casually Looking for the Light Spiritual Exercise. You may record the simple everyday experiences with it for a few days, if you wish. Did you notice any difference when you looked for light than when you simply chanted HU? I don't always. 18/5/1436 Going Through 3 Doors Spiritual Exercise & The ECK Dream 1 Discourses Lesson 12 There is a picture of a woman with her arms outstretched being silly beneath a six pointed star in a whirlwind. Does the Whirlwind represent the Anami Lok or Sphere Having No Name or the Alakh Lok or Invisible World? Her posture can be seen to represent an oath with the right arm and an offering with the left. Even if the Fifth and Ninth Heaven are not being referred to, one can always get the message of the woman as soul being beneath Spirit. Lesson 12: Dream Travel Soul Travel I will admit that I want to drive people away from Eckankar and repel other from it through my study of it. I would also like to use it as one of my means to encourage good and truth; while discouraging evil and ignorance. Every bit counts. Epictetus was probably wrong about every person seeking to do whatever he wants without limits. It seems that he may be wrong about everyone wanting to be happy. Eckankar would agree with religion in that people should have freedom to do what is responsible. Page 261 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp seems to direct the person into thinking true freedom will not be found in any other philosophy, mysticism, or sainthood aside from that of the Eckankar corporation. Is that true? Are people of other paths ignorant of karma? It would seem that many people would be more aware of cause, effect, and action that may get in the way of a connection with God or some type of freedom. A family of refugees from Vietnam had only been in America for a year when they asked Harold Klemp what it was like to live here. Harold was surprised and got smug about how allegedly great it is to live in a country behind more than fifty in terms
of happiness and contentment. He is right about how people here do not appreciate the values of what we have. Outer freedom is hardly freedom without inner freedom. Goethe was right in Faust as liberty and being are to be earned daily. Eckankar says the two currents to approach through daily Spiritual Exercises are the Light and Sound. Page 262 admits that dream travel and Soul Travel are only imaginative techniques. How then can imagination make you directly witness the God of Sound and Light when a god imagined is not God? The Sound Current being ridden must be that of our own being and its actions instead of God's revelation to you. Why should we take projections of an Ocean of Love and Mercy in the Eleventh or Twelfth Plane or beyond as actually existing? Shouldn't the goal of a spiritual path be more around doing good and intention than to try to make yourself heard strange music? Page 263 is condescending in how it refers to techniques of dream and soul travel as o nly at the gates of Eckankar teaching. There is always this implication that the greater truths are being held back and it seems like there is a severe abrogation in people trying to act like they have advanced according to time as a member of Eckankar, outer initiations, and positions of authority. If the experience of the Spiritual Exercises of ECK are so focused on as the signs of Eckankar being about first hand experience rather than merely following a text, shouldn't a person feel a sense of failure? The failure is usually in that being an ECKist doesn't offer what it proclaimed it would. People can probably experience and express love better without the group. I see Eckankar making people's lives as more complex rather than a way to take things simply. One can have a personal relationship with God and a connection to spiritual things without seeking to crystallize the conception of a trinity in one's life. The Mahanta, the ECK, and the SUGMAD are terms than can mean many things to a person. A direct path to God many consider there to be at least one prophet or even just spiritual guides, but addressing them when they aren't physically there is called fanaticism. A perception like a Gnostic with a conviction of a Holy Ghost as a god or part of god doesn't make it so. Why seek God, if God is already there? The quote alleged to be from Rebazar Tarzs is true in the respect that Al Qoor'aan 95.4 mentions in saying our creation is upon the highest state of being. The next two verses relate to the quote in how we are brought to the lowest, but the exception of those who believe and work righteousness is not focused on in the quotes. Yes, religion commands us to know ourselves and teaches we are to gain experience, but the focus in Eckankar is different. Wouldn't nurturing the relationship with God and creation that we call religion be better achieved by some means other than a central focus on experiences? Does Dream and Soul Travel give people special abilities to explore secret divine realms? If ECK mean spiritual, then it would be prudent to cultivate an inner purity, consider the right person to be a spiritual teacher, and to heed the instructions of the spiritual master. Am I your true teacher because I tell you that the secrets of light, sound, and indeed all vibrations are that they are manifestations of God's powers of creating and sustaining? A Frenchman called Montaigne experienced the fact of there being dreams that interpret our inclinations. There was more to it than that comment in Essays. Wouldn't it be inappropriate to try to claim that there is more to dreams by demonizing personal desires? They are not all selfish expressions of the consciousness of a personal reality or identity. How then can one become a full being when you deny the understanding of yourself from the start? Giving up on personal understandings to what you convince yourself are unique communications and interpretations a spiritual master is thought to give you hardly seem like an acceptance of the highest visions of reality. Soul Travel is said to stand out from Soul Travel by being a clearer event. Page 265 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp teaches that dreams are things to interpret, but Soul Travel doesn't seem that way. Eckankar teaches that we seem detached from dreams, but as an integral part of Soul Travel. Is it as simple as that? Are these perceptions really how to tell what was mere conceptions of the other worlds and what was a truly metaphysical experience? There is a list of false accusations made against the revelations of Islam; listed in Al Qoor'aan 21.5. These might be true when applied to the Eckankar teachings on dreams instead. Harold Klemp and the other historical leaders of Eckankar certainly tried to be poetic at times. Doesn't it seem to you like Eckankar leaders are just making things up at times? The
discourses and other ECK works are full of mentioning dreams that are jumbled and somehow false. Someone dreamed of watching a blue flame come out a space shuttle through a window to their backyard. Watching something designed to break through the atmosphere was being dragged out by a plane and crashing down when it failed may be as the lesson in Al Qoor'aan 22.11-13. The first verse mentions how some worship God on the edge, but falls away into loss in the life and the hereafter when they fall away when there is a trial. The next verse mentions how such flip-floppers end up worshiping things that don't harm or benefit. The following verse is how the harm of such going astray is closer than any profitable results of taking such an evil patron. Her interpretation of her dream contains of these elements. If the plane pulling the space shuttle was seen as the Mahanta, wouldn't the concept of her being pulled by the plane be the absurdity of needing to worship ECK Masters to be successful in spiritual flight? The plane moving away may represent that the Mahanta is never there and this psychological crutch brings disaster when reliance means being shocked and unable to continue at the times when one is unable to imagine it. The interpretation of the erratic tracks left by the crashing space shuttle of her spiritual life meaning her instability is probably very true. If the flame out of the space shuttle is ECK and that means Eckankar, couldn't that mean that Eckankar is not going to get her any where near as far as she wants it to? People create false memories based on regular occurrences. Such is probably the case of a Higher Initiate who was later said to have been witnessed by reliable people to be at work on days that he was not. Harold Klemp refuses to assume that not remembering a break in patterns in the first incident and not remembering the right time are more likely interpretations than Soul Travel. We do exist on levels that we are not aware of, but I would hardly jump to confirm the claim that these were unconscious Soul Travel experiences used help spiritually awaken a couple people at his office. Harold Klemp just wants all to believe in bilocation when not even Higher Initiates have awareness of it. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses page 266 claims that contemplation and dreams are sometimes used as a jumping off point for Soul Travel. What then happens the rest of the times? The next story is about someone more active in attempts towards Soul Travel. How can one merely think yourself into realities that are purely spiritual? The man supposedly heard a voice to seek the inner journey before being able to enjoy the outer journeys. Some people might not be able to properly enjoy outer life or develop techniques like astral projection without some psychological exploration. A woman had an experience deemed to be Soul Travel without trying. Regular spiritual practice does make both psychedelic and truly supernatural experience more common, but that doesn't mean the holy doesn't break through without expectations. She felt a presence deemed to be Wah Z or Harold Klemp. Some experiences are real, but the interpretation was off. She told the presence that she was ready to go with it. She went in the spirit vision to what she thought was the highest point on Earth, but the lack of detail or knowledge of being there made it more of a psychological theme of being exalted spiritually. Could this theme come in as strong without trust in a Master in the way a monotheist might trust in God? Billions would probably tell you that the answer of Al Qoor'aan 21.43 is right. The false gods or those (ECK Masters) whom are treated like that are not really guarding or helping them. They can't protect themselves from God and his forces. The next story is prefaced by a claim on page 277 that people are taken to the Causal Plane or Second Heaven in full consciousness to see past-life records and find solutions to karmic problems. By full consciousness, it is meant that the person was awake. Is it really necessary to look for causes of problems a sibling is having in a separate realm or to blame something not going on between you on something unknown between you? Answers are always present in some way, but they aren't always the right ones for you. Nor does experiencing something always related to the context the experience was in. Is believing a spiritual leader in everything he says without question and attributing anything your figure out on your own developing a spine or is it self-debasement and blind faith? Through the looking glass, she pictured herself in a cloudy place reading off bronze tablets. Bronze is usually copper and metals like tin. That is attributed to Venus and Jupiter. Was it really the High Priest of Lucifer who told her that she was being shown the records of their past lives? Harold Klemp certainly likes to be called the Light Bringer. LVXIFEROUS is
the Old Latin form of Lucifer in a literal sense. Not being able to read the witting can be seen as attempting to imbed something with meaning that remains unclear. She saw herself giving a detached form of material support in a scene where the brother needed emotional and probably mental support. How then is it that she was supposed to have more vairag or nonattachment? The dream was seeming to tell her that support in how she was better off instead of how they could have been more mutual in interacting was the problem. It would make sense for her to have the self-righteous haughty attitude many ECKist have. It seems odd to discourage something that is part of the program. Blaming yourself for every situation in your life and those around you is seldom the answer. The dream seemed more to be an answer of what do about both the situation and her own sense of superiority. A chela or Eckankar Initiate was lonely and depressed. He saw Wah Z (This Spiritual name of Harold Klemp means Secret Doctrine.) like a warrior with a gold breastplate and a sword. As much as this doesn't fit the Living ECK Masters personae or physical type, it must be about the Mahanta (Way Show-er is another title for the head of Eckankar.) as expressing his own intellect or spirituality rather than copying it. This interpretation is confirmed by the words in the dream telling him that detachment or viarag was to be his only protection. The sword is symbolic of distinction and separation. This interpretation is part of the message of how he was to consider Eckankar as the truth path. Is it though? Eckankar often uses the same we are right and they are wrong in a nonspecific way that you see with many fundamentalist Christians. The sword was interpreted as being Light and Sound. It is implied that Eckankar provides it in a divine sense rather than the mundane experience of sounds and sights that most have. All is God's and witnessing vibrations as part of a spiritual order is far from a unique thought. The advice to record dreams and other spiritual experiences to review later is a good idea. The same goes with organizing these experiences in their own space or book. A spiritual record of your life can help you gain a grasp of your own knowledge and wisdom. I would tell you to credit God and take full accountability for your own role in your spiritual life rather than projecting it upon a spiritual leader or masters. A Higher Initiate from the East Coast of the United States of America was surprised to see how accurate his dream predictions were after the events when he finally went back to review matters. Details might tell us whether these were vague details like an oracle reading or something clear and precise. We are given the ability to interpret events that we can handle. In Al Qoor'aan 12.21-22, it talks about how Prophet Yuwsuf was prepared for his roles in life after being sold into slavery in what we now call Egypt. The discourse of the last month of the second year in Eckankar closes with the story of a woman who would contemplate herself going through a series of doors. She hesitated until she heard a voice tell her to continue. Going through doors represents stages and initiations. Life is not about standing still. She was blinded by the light after entering the third door. Could have her experiences been blinding her to some truth about Eckankar? The light turned to a mist and she declared her freedom thrice. It closes by letting you know that whomever is called the Mahanta or the Living ECK master is to be considered ECK within the Light of God. All are within the Light of God and we can welcome ourselves into the awareness that all worlds belong to God. Thus we see the goal of these two years in Eckankar is to gradually program you into having a conviction that the spiritual leader of Eckankar is a god. Going Through 3 Doors Spiritual Exercise Then Proclaiming, "I Am Free! Am Free!":
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The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp, pages 270 and 271 says to chant Z as the spiritual exercise for the month with a particular visualization. I chanted Vana (like vah-neigh) instead of Z (like zee); as I would never invite someone to do. Sing it out loud for a few minutes then quietly. One is supposed to picture a series of three white corridors; each brighter than the last. One is supposed to picture one's self opening the doors in order. One is supposed to picture the light around the doors. The woman in the story proclaimed thrice, "I am free!" after going through the third door. Imagining specialness doesn't make it so as all light is ultimately God's. All worlds belong to God. No matter what Eck means, besides
representative of the Eckankar Corporation, Harold Klemp and others known as Eck Masters are not it. Spiritual practices may open a person to accepting that God is being made known, but saying that "You are building up your spiritual stamina to receive the Sound and Light of God, and to have a fuller more joyful life" is going too far. Advanced ECKist don't seem to be happier than those earlier in Eckankar's programing. If anything, they are less balanced. In previous nights, I could picture hallways and the door knobs or would fall asleep trying. Between 3:07 and 4:50 A.M. of Thursday the 29th of January, 2015 or the Tenth Hour of the Night of 8/4/1436 was my last practice of this rite chanting my secret word rather than the original spiritual name of Harold Klemp. That night, I saw the door knobs as silver and each corridor was longer than the last. Once, I attained the visualization, the colors changed. Before the first door was yellow light of different densities and clarity streamed out. The sound of Vana (God of Sound is pronounced like vah-nay.) got louder as I approached the door. I opened it to find a longer white corridor. A bright, neon green light came from the cracks around the door lighting the room in green, The sound of Vana (A Bunch of Sounds) bounced off the walls, ceiling, and floor; vibrating to the center of me from my outer surfaces. The sound was stifled as I approached the third door. The light shone brightest from behind me. A thick blue haze oozed out from the edged of the third door. I opened it to find that I couldn't see and felt heavy. I was there in a dark blue that rained down till I felt light again and could see. There was a fox there speaking to an enormous flock of geese. The fox had a golden cup and a golden shield with three points on the top to its left. To its right, it had a sword of solid gold and a crooked staff made of solid gold. When the red fox with green eyes saw me, it stopped and pointed saying, "Bourchakom (This is pronounced like boh-oor-chalk-aum.)." The geese all said, "Bourchakom (Eagle-eye Adept)!" as they turned to face me. The geese picked up their shields and left in tight columns in the other direction. Their shields shimmered like a sun upon the ground. I awoke with my heart racing and had a feeling like a fluid flowing over my skin. I laid there for a couple minutes before getting up; enjoying it before I got up for the day. 8/4/1436 Dream Interpretation: The doorknobs in silver are as my manifesting the path. The white hallways and doors represent a journey with a purity of intention; that has stages. The light from the first door seems to represent my experience of Christianity. Christianity is a mix of different degrees of truth and righteousness. The light from the second door seems to represent Islam. The sound and light around the second door was the clearest and most distinct. The stifling of the sound and light around the third door seems to represent Eckankar as a mess of confusion and unnecessary burdens upon those who believe in it. The corridors may also be seen as white for spirit, yellow for soul, green for the physical, and blue for the mental or psychic. The mist clearing can be as seeing past the shrouds, being free of their burdens, and knowing the truth about Eckankar. The fox and geese are as the constellation Vulpecula or Fox and Goose. It seems to represent the Mahanta (Way Show-er is a title of the top member of Eckankar; who is now Harold Klemp.), the Living ECK Master as being detrimental upon his followers. The cup is a symbol of spiritual experiences. The shield is a symbol of spiritual laws or creeds. The sword is a symbol of spiritual tools. The staff is a symbol of spiritual exercises. The gold is a symbol of how it is all supposed to be something you make your own rather than merely mimicking that of others. Bourchakom (boh-oor-chah-kawm) seems to be my name or identification as not being one of the flock. According to Paul Twitchell's Eckankar: The Key to Secret Worlds, Bourchakoum are either space visitors "who are known as eagle-eyed adepts", "...the living ECK master, or the adepts of the ancient order of Vairagi" (Viagra means diamond in Sanskrit and Tibetian). The shields of the flock of geese is as the constellation Scutum or Sobieski's Shield. It represents a heavenly helmet, a coat of arms, a shed, but mostly repelling. Ultimately, they leave the animal that represents the Living ECK Master alone. The Mahanta, the Living ECK Master (People initially assume this just means Spiritual Leader of Eckankar.) controls the path of Eckankar without going with the ECKist or fighting their battles with them; as is presumed by believers. The
contrast of the silver for the followers and gold for the preacher is that he not only considers himself better than them, but that they are really ones of secondary sources as he comes up with the primary sources. Most spiritual or religious people say their path is based on personal knowledge or at least faith; all the while, it remains true that belief more central to their convictions. Workbook Activities: Workbook Activity 2.12.1 is on pages 271 and 272 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. From my spiritual studies, I want to fulfill what is required of me, be better at not doing what is forbidden by God, and to do more good than is actually required of me. I am not one to mark up these books and will quote the books as I see relevant or necessary. I would rather imagine a conversation that I can use later than one with the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. The practice in this context is obviously as worship. If only the ECKists would be more honest and say, "We give him respect and lots of worship!" Why would anyone have to pretend that someone was asking them a question that they can answer for themselves on their own? The next Workbook Activity is on the following two pages. I think we all long for more freedom at some point. The ones I will list are the freedom of being, the pursuit of knowledge, of having my own philosophy, of a personal sense of priesthood and leadership, of being able to strive for what is good and true, of being able to choose whether or not to engage in sexual behavior, of being able to fast on occasion, of being able to give from that which is beyond what I need, of being able to at least pray the obligatory Salat or Contact Prayers (of Islam), and the freedom to believe what I will. I will not pray to any except God and can tell you of an image without that. I listed these freedoms upon the Tree of Life in Qabalah. That column of four points with a column of three points three on each side will be my symbol of spiritual freedom; for the moment. The following Workbook Activity is on the next page. I won't invoke any socalled Mahanta to show me a spiritual exercise based on the quote from page 262 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I will explain it by imaging yourself riding a river of sounds to a bright ocean where you feel like you are loved and are being treated mercifully. The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp has Workbook Activity 2.12.4 on page 277. It asks to compose a chart listing the characteristics of Dream Travel and Soul Travel. The alleged distinctions rest on things like Soul Travel seems more real and clearer. The actual difference is more along the lines that Dream Travel is always when asleep and Soul Travel can be other mystical experiences too. Soul Travel in sleep is more along the lines of lucid dreaming and vivid dreams. Sometimes I will not know if I slept or not till I get up and check the time. What similarities and differences do you find in the terms. The next page has the following Workbook Activity. Everyone is a spiritual explorer who cares about finding out and figuring out spiritual things. The first person sought inner guidance and was then able to Soul Travel. Another person's experience came when she felt ready to allow herself to go. Another person convinced herself that there was a karmic bond between her and her brother. That person prayed to go to a realm of cause to get an answer to the cause and effect of the current actions that were giving her brother problems. These three examples make the point that Soul Travel can be mere wish fulfillment. The idea of experiencing more divine love seems to be a meaningless phrase, but the context here is in worshiping and surrendering to the head of the Eckankar corporation. I would never create a spiritual exercise to worship other than God. One might instead pray to God to be guided, offer submission to whatever God may oblige of you, and then reason out the causes of matters in terms of this world. The following Workbook Activity is on the next page. Who wouldn't like a pleasant surprise? The only divine being is The Divine Being. I already knew that I could use thought exercises to change patterns of feeling, thinking, and even sensing. I am learning that I am better working my way around the problems than I thought I was. Workbook Activity 2.12.7 is on page 279 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourse by Harold Klemp. I will not pretend I am encountering any ECK Master. I certainly will not convince myself that I have imagined it into reality. The Light was thick and
asthmatic. I was called a name or was told I was of a class of space visitors when I met the being that represented the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. The final Workbook Activity is on the last page. I am not praying to any creation to give me a spiritual exercise to do on the alternate days; as the program here is to only do this month's spiritual exercise every other day. Almost no one in Eckankar has a personal relationship with the Mahanta. Eckankar like to pick up Christians and others used to the idea of a master who is or was in a human body whom they can have a personal relationship with. Can't people convince themselves they are having a relationship with someone who never had any conscious awareness of personal details of them? I didn't alternate. I can't think of a spiritual exercise at the moment to invent. What's Next? Apparently, just receiving the discourses and time going by would mean a person is ready to advance according to Eckankar. Other faiths might say a person should show they have learned or were educated somehow. Other faiths might observe the outer works and make judgements of advancement based on reputations. Do people realize how things really are as they read Eckankar discourses and do the Spiritual Exercises of ECK? Family and friends might see the changes in you, if you ask enough or the Eckankar program results in an obvious change. The most obvious change would be missionary work or talking like the alleged ECK Masters are Gods. Everyone forgets parts of the past, but it is better to be silent than to actively create false memories. An actor who forgets his lines may add a gap to the performance without adding confusion. Perhaps, creatively adding lines or acting based on what one knows of the situation would lead things to work out just fine. Is the way to gaining spiritual power to become more and more a part of a corporation and its goals for your life? Myth has value even when not literally true, but their is danger in blindly accepting and following a mythology. The dream secrets in Eckankar rely more on rules of secrecy and threats to stay silent than a truly unique program with examples the 973 ECK Masters set forth that no one else did. Does becoming more a part of life start in the waking life or by what you do with dreams? Everyone dreams and it might be a good idea to become aware and accept the reality of dreams. I don't think we should cry or that everyone cried because of not remembering dreams. Maybe, this is why many joined Eckankar or stayed in Eckankar. Fear of loss of dreaming and a new interpretation of light as a specific sign of God's personal message to you can be very stifling. We will have experiences of whatever sights and sounds that we are meant to experience; with or without the Eckankar corporation. There is not only one way to derive benefits in life or even the dream world. The Easy Way Discourses came before The ECK Dream 1 Discourses. The ECK Dream 2 Discourses by Harold Klemp, Letters of Light & Sound 1 by Harold Klemp, Letters of Light & Sound 2 by Harold Klemp, Soul Travel 1-The Illuminated Way by Harold Klemp and Paul Twitchell, Soul Travel 2 by Harold Klemp, The Secret Way by Paul Twitchell, The Precepts of Eckankar by Paul Twitchell, The ECK Satsang Discourses: First Series by Paul Twitchell, The ECK Satsang Discourses:Second Series by Paul Twitchell, The ECK Satsang Discourses: Third Series by Paul Twitchell and Harold Klemp, The ECK Satsang Discourses: Fourth Series by Harold Klemp, The Master 1 Discourses by Paul Twitchell, The Master 2 Discourses by Harold Klemp, The Master 3 Discourses by Harold Klemp, and The Master 4 Discourses by Harold Klemp are the fifteen years of discourses to follow. Absent from the list is any mention of credit for content in the discourses to Darwin Gross, the 972nd ECK Master, second figure in history to be called Mahanta during his life, and the best writer of them all. The titles of the lessons for the first two years of Eckankar discourses are The Easy Way; In Soul You Are Free; Dream On, Sweet Dreamer; Karma-It All Comes Back in the End; Reincarnation-Why You Came to Earth; Your Initiations in ECK; The Master Principle; Can We Live in a World without Love?; The God Worlds-Where No One Has Gone Before?; Ask the Reason, Say BeCAUSE; Mind Stuff and the Art of Listening; Putting It All Together; Dreams-The Bridge to Heaven; The Dream Master; The Ways of the Dream Master; How to Remember Your Dreams; Understanding Our Dreams; How to Interpret Your Dreams; Dreams in Our Daily Life; How We Learn in the Dream State; Our Dreams of
Purpose; Gifts of the Dream Master; Looking at Our Past; and Dream Travel to Soul Travel. These twenty-four discourses were all by Harold Klemp. The titles of the next forty-two lessons in the program of Eckankar discourses are also by Harold Klemp. They are called The Mystical Backdrop of Dreams, Soul's Playhouse of Dreams, Awakened Soul, The Conscious Dreamer, Past Lives in Our Dreams, Dreaming Your Future, Soul Travel in Dreams, The History of Dreams, The Spiritual Nature of Dreams, Light and Sound in Dreams, Images of Translation in the Dream State, Eternal Dreamer of ECK, What Place Has Worship in ECK for You?, Why Evil in an Otherwise Good World?, The Limits of Sin, Baptism verses the ECK Initiation, Who's in Charge of Your Life?, Are You Really Better Off in ECK?, A Better Understanding of Death, Do You Understand Your Purpose?, Master of the Physical Plan, Doubt-the Leaven of Spiritual Freedom, Between Two Worlds, Is the Master Necessary?, A Lukewarm Faith for the Bumps of Life?, God in Our Time, Where Are the Light and Sound?, The Eternal Teaching, Things Others Ask about Us, What You Need to Know about the Secret Teachings, The Coins of ECK, What's in It for You?, The Ins and Outs of the God State, A Passion for God, How to Live a just and Conscious Life, The Awakening Soul, An Introduction to Soul Travel, Another Step in Soul Travel, The Law of Strength, Love as the Doorway to Heaven, The Golden Coin, and The Rite of Passage. Paul Twitchell wrote the following six discourses in the series. They are called The Spiritual Travelers and Their Mission, The Universality of Soul Travel, The Spiritual Hierarchy of the Heaven Worlds, The Secret Teachings of Eckankar, The Spiritual Cities of This World, and The Ultimate Spiritual Consciousness of Man. Then came twelve discourses by Harold Klemp. They are The Causal Technique of Soul Travel, Changing Your Secret Word, The Pain of Purification, The Lower-World Academy, The Problems of the God-Realized States, The Chaos of the Mind, The Role of ECK Initiations, The Face of the False Teacher, The Immediacy of Soul Travel, Your Identity as Soul, The Riches of Soul Travel, and Examples of Soul Travel. Paul Twitchell wrote the next fifty-three of the series. They are called Eckankar-the Secret Way of Soul Travel, The Use of the Sound Current for Soul Travel, The Spiritual mind of Man and Its Processes, The Destructive Actions of the Lower Mind, The Divine Wisdom of God and How to Attain It, The Rendezvous of Guru and Chela in the Radiant Worlds, The Perplexing Question of God and What It Means, The Unique Features of Eckankar, The Golden Temples of Wisdom, The Adepts of the Ancient Order of ECK, The Characteristics of the God-Realized States, The ECK Master's Help in Passing through Death, The Precepts of Eckankar, The Seven Levels of Soul, The Thirty-two Marks of the Master, The Key to Spiritual Understanding, True Spiritual Endeavor Makes One an Instrument of God, The Spiritual Exercises of ECK, The Spiritual Influence of the Living ECK Master, The ECK Initiation and the Chela, The Chela and the Spiritual Initiations, The Attainment of the Desireless Life, The Adepts of the Ancient Order of Vairagi, The Love of the Living ECK Master for All Life, On Being an ECK Chela, ECK as Truth in the Life of the Chela, The ECK Master as Your Spiritual Guide, The Thirty-two Facets of Eckankar, The Truth about Metaphysical and Religious Teachings, Eckankar as the Only Path to God, The Difference between ECK and Eckankar, The Basic Techniques of Soul Travel, The Recognition of the Atma Sarup, The Help of ECK in Your Daily Life, The True Understanding of Reality, Living the Life in Eckankar, The Initiations in Eckankar for Chelas, Recognition of the Spiritual Faculties, The Dream Teachings of Eckankar, The False Arguments of the Intellect, The Seeking of Knowledge instead of Truth, The Chela as the Divine Instrument for the Master, The Worlds of the Psychic Universe, The Eckankar Techniques for Initiates, The Dark Night of Soul, ECK as the True Spiritual Force, The True Surrender to the Divine Being, The Pitfalls of the God Seeker, The New Approach to Eckankar, The Chela at the Crossroads of Decisions, The Works of ECK as the Whole of Life, Sealing Our Karma with Others, and The Mahanta's Suffering for All Life. The following nineteen lessons in the seventeen year series of Eckankar discourses are by Harold Klemp. They are entitled Invisible Communications, Paradise Lost, What Happens to Those Who Leave ECK, Spitting in the Face of God, The Tradition of ECK, The Chela's Rendezvous with Destiny, A Fool of Life, The Searing Touch of God, Obstacles to the Mahanta's Mission, The Purpose of the ECK Initiations, Initiation of the Death and Resurrection, Finding Your Spiritual Mentors, The Spiritual Exercises of ECK, Soul's Progress, The Role of Ethics in Your Life, What Leads to ECK Membership, The Law of Unfoldment: Changes Make Us Stronger, How Soul Uses Creative Mock-Ups, and The Living ECK Master's Challenges with the Chela.
The next 12 discourses are by Paul Twitchell. ISBN# 1-570430200-7 gives their names as The Supreme Doctrine of ECKANKAR, The Shadow of Reality for the Chela, The Sacrifice of Self for the Universal Cause, The World Chains and How they Affect the Chela, The Philosophy of Eckankar, The Master Techniques of Eckankar, How the ECK Chela Views Life, Spiritual Healing as an Aspect of ECK, The ECK Avatars of the World, The Reading of Soul Records, More Master Techniques of Eckankar, and ECK as the New Religion of the Age The last thirty six discourses are by Harold Klemp. In Your Road Map to the ECK Teachings, Volume 2, Discourses, Talks, Other by Harold Klemp calls them The God Force within Us, Journey to the Still Point, Another Look at Light and Sound, The Pinnacle of God, Teachings of the Golden Way, The Sacred Circle, A 360-Degree View, A Passion for Living, Rekindling the Fire of Love, Touching the Fabric of God, The Quest for Consciousness, The Heart and Soul of Eckankar, Making Your Way Home to God, Book of the Heart, Path of the Purified Soul, Message of the Sound Current, Your Changing Spiritual Quest, The Call to Spiritual Excellence, Self-Discipline as SelfDirection, Cause and Effect for Higher Initiates, The Rain of God Falls Softly, Building a New Life in ECK, Falling in Love with ECK Again, The Qualities of Mastership, Five Keys to ECK Mastership, The Ninth Initiation, Until the End of Time, You Are a Song!, Through an Open Door, Love in Unexpected Places, On the Edge of Eternity, The Holy Word, Surrender to the Most High, Respect for All Life, Walk Every Step with Me, and In Love's Way, What's Next Workbook Activities: The first is on page 285 of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp. I'm not going to fantasize about hearing Harold Klemp as I converse with him about the What's Next? letter. People haven't notice anything real change in me over the past year. The claim of The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp being the pure and explicit word of God is disproved here by getting the page numbers being referred to wrong. What's Next? is on page 283 and 284 rather than 282 and 283. The second set of activities is on the next page. A spiritual step I have taken is to use variety when I can get by doing the same thing with the ECK Journaling Circle. I'm going to skip the part about praying to the Spiritual Leader of Eckankar to show me how far I've come; and ask you skip such practices too. I'm fine with chanting HU, though. The random two verses relate in that they both mention initiates having their access controlled and really denied in spiritual ways by ECK Masters. The third activity set is on the following page. People do not travel to realms that defy description merely out of wishing to do so or inventing a spiritual practice to will it into existence. One leads a spiritual existence whether or not anything from dreams is recorded or even remembered. It may not be a good idea to completely ignore them, though. Turn the page to find the final activity page of the What's Next? letter in The ECK Dream Discourses by Harold Klemp. The Conscious Dreamer is probably the most interesting title from the list for year three in Eckankar. I'm not going to cast a spell to make any Mahanta feel appreciated by writing out a statement of gratitude for his spectral entities to read.
19/4/1436 My Initiation Into the Second Circle of Eckankar On December 14th, 2014 or 21/2/1436, I was sent a letter that proved that Harold Klemp had no knowledge of my initiate report that requested the Second Initiation or what Darwin Gross called the Light & Sound Initiation in Giver of the Gift. It also showed that Spiritual Services at P.O. Box 2000, Chanhassen, Minnesota, 55317-2000 had no knowledge of at least that month's initiate report. It included a request slip to mail back requesting the Second ECK Initiation; the only one ECKists are allowed to request. I had previously told them I was ready for as many outer initiations as they were willing to give me. I know Welcome to the Wonderful World of ECK! Your Membership Guidebook by Harold Klemp says that initiations after the second usually come every four to six years, but Darwin Gross received numbers 2-9 in a period of less than six months; allowing him to take the role of the
Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. Giver of the Gift calls the Fifth Initiation, "the Soul Initiation" and says they occur every five years unless there is reason to make them later or earlier. The Eckankar court cases of the 1980s showed that the initiation schedule in Eckankar was almost always determined by computer alone. So much for outer initiations having inherent spiritual value. I took about a week to mail out the slip and received the response with as little as one day for processing. That letter referred me to what was sent to me on the July 21st, 2014. Your Initiation in ECK reminded me to make another request for the Second Initiation. Did it tell me "the purpose of initiation in ECK?" Not really, because it tries to enforce a doctrine of how the alleged Mahanta, the Living ECK Master is connecting the initiates to light and sound directly. This can be said to be true as far as he is in charge of the organization and these actions include light and sound. The First Initiation and those after the Eighth Initiation are said to come on the inner, but the Second through Eighth Initiations are outer ceremonies. The First Initiation is supposed to come in a dream. Have you found any reason to think these ceremonies are unique in opening people spiritually or emotionally? They are certainly part of the ECK program of dividing life into stages. The ECK consecration ceremony for infants and little children, the ECK rite of passage around the age of thirteen or puberty, the ECK wedding ceremony, and the ECK memorial service certainly perform those functions for the group at large. The ceremony is supposed to be simple and eloquent, but many report how complex and contradictory it is. People who abandoned Eckankar may tell you how the beauty is what a person brings into the practices rather than the styles and material themselves. As I said with starting The ECK Dream 1 Discourses by Harold Klemp, he admits that most of the benefit to the program is the experience of their spiritual exercises. They tell you to read Paul Twitchell's book Stranger by the River before hand. Reading or listening to a book doesn't mean the characters in it or the spiritual leader promoting it are going to show up to go over it with you or take you to its scenes. Imagination and projection are useful tools, but let's not get carried away. What is the commitment I made as a Second Initiate and what one do they want you to make? I continually try to commit my life to God. So, nothing is new there. Being a member may grant you access to material or even physical places that nonmembers may not get to see. As long as Eckankar has been around, anyone called Living ECK Master was one to try to influence everyone he encountered physically. This is true with everyone; whether or not they admit it or not. I continually strive towards true living. In that respect, I will try to make clear the difference between how the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master plays no more than an indirect role in "dreams, insights, and other revelations." The same goes for anyone else you allow in your live. I will try to live in spiritual ways that are in accord with what The Holy Spirit came with. I strive to be on the side of the unfallen angels or light beings. I want my spiritual affair to be towards God as a Verb. If any of these three are what is meaning by ECK, I agree. How did I change and how did they want me to change? Whether it was one of the dreams that could be labeled as my First Initiation or my Second Initiation, it seems neither myself or others has noticed a tangible change in my personality or experiences. I do share my experiences of matters and it that way, I have had some new things to say, though. The claim is that people are better able to cope on a spiritual, mental, and emotional level. If anything, I see that ECKists are less able to handle situations as time goes on and they get more initiations in Eckankar. They are taught to
ignore shyness, guilt, shame, and fears. It is obvious that they still have them. People even show guilt and shame about matters that directly pertain to Eckankar. People renew their enthusiasm in the group through such things, because they feel as if it proves their inner advancement. The outer certifications play a role in any group, but they seldom prove or provoke the awareness that is said to come with them; whether or not the individual ever feels it. Was I ready? People are taught to feel like they will be ready to be a Second Circle member of Eckankar by the end of their second year of discourses. Other initiations are left with a question mark as to how long they will be. So, the idea is to always doubt your feelings and experiences until given context by letters from corporate. Talk about a stuffed shirt! The main leadership of Eckankar seldom directly communicates with members outside the main offices. So, how can an initiation permission slip be a sign that one is ready according to them? The spiritual sign is that they are supposed to know and interfere with anyone who isn't ready receiving initiations or roles of authority in Eckankar. The question about being ready depended on what they asked me to do and if I had to blaspheme or do deeds that I explicitly deemed contrary to orthodoxy or orthopraxy. I talked with the initiator when scheduling the initiation and before the initiation itself. I was ready to walk out, if I had to worship other than God, ascribe limits to God, or do something false or otherwise wrong. I was not ready to chant a secret word that asserted truth behind some Eckankar doctrines that I did not agree with. I was ready to abandon the initiation midway. The letter inviting me into Second Circle was sent December 30th, 2014 and arrived January 2nd, 2015. The Pink Slip For Initiation: "***Second Circle***" might mean "The Astral Plane or The First Heaven is of the spiritual realms despite your physical presence." or "The second Circle of ECK Initiation is merging the physical into spirit." They print the copy of the signature in a different color of blue ink upon the pink slip to make people think that Harold Klemp plays a personal role in arranging the ceremonies. Even corporate signatures tend to be printed as form letters is virtually all they send out. It stated that it was issued 30 December 2014 and is valid till 30 June 2015. My Eckankar member number, EN, and my address was on the left. 354 is part of that number and that is the approximately the length of the sacred year as it is 32/33rds the length of the solar year or 354.37 days. That is fitting for the fact that I refer to Al Hijra dates. Instructions for replacing an expired slip is outside that. They make it sound like each initiation makes it possible to have more of God's love. I could understand that, if one think of Suwar in Al Qoor'aan as ranks of learning to attain to and living up to those ranks. According to the relevant court cases involving Eckankar, ECK Initiations don't even represent degrees of learning; much less how much is practiced. It is no wonder that I dreamt of the ECK Masters as fallen leaves or those not living up to their initiations. The pink slip reminds people that the Eckankar corporation wants you to view their leader as an ever present guidance in your life. How many actually believe this? Why would anyone in their right mind treat the leader of a corporation as being the source of all guidance that members of that corporation receive? One doesn't have to promise to keep it all secret, but they try to convince you how much of a violation of spiritual law it would be to discuss the initiation with anyone besides the person deemed to be the Living ECK Master. An exception is made
for those present for the initiation. One is allowed to discuss the matter with one's spouse, even if they are not in Eckankar. One may talk it over with family who live in the same house as the idea is you will practice those secrets in the same home. One may not have to hate your family for the sake of religion as the Bible explicitly teaches in the New Testament, but it shows integrity to stick to the spiritual path that one feels best whether or not one's spouse or family finds it agreeable. It is a good to resolve the issues or agree to tolerance before advancing through the ranks of a spiritual organization. Families are allowed to take the Second Initiation together, but this is not so for Higher Initiations. Family of the same household may attend for mere observance of the rite of the Second Initiation. Parents are allowed to explain the ritual to young children at a later time. Eckankar initiations may happen at the hand of a local leader designated as available for such, a RESA or Regional Eckankar Spiritual Aid, the appropriate venue at an ECK Seminar, or someone at Spiritual Services in the Eckankar Spiritual Campus. The form itself is to be brought. The initiator is supposed to make notes on the back of the form and I will wonder about what exactly was said. The Spiritual Center processed the form in time to send out my membership materials for my third year in Eckankar that starts February 6th or 11th, 2015. The Second Initiation form was copyrighted in 1991, but federal law allows sharing of it for religious reasons. I will only talk about it to avoid the trouble that others have faced. I want to remind you that neither spiritual realms or concepts can be copyrighted or trademarked. I want to assure you that you are safe using terms from other languages, even if you don't spell or pronounce them correctly. The Eckankar corporation may disagree, but they do not have a monopoly on any of these things. I signed the line that I understood the instructions and the Four Precepts of ECK. I accept them, but only that they are the Eckankar basics. 1) "But One God" is the ill Allah of the Shahadah or Testimony of faith. I fully agree with that and that Sugmad is the reality of that, if that means Who We Seek and God as a Noun. 2) I understand and accept that the Eckankar teaching is that whomever they deem to be a Mahanta is treated as a prophet of God. I don't agree he has such a special role in the physical world; much less the psychological and spiritual realms. 3) Those who are faithful and follow the works of God as a Verb, if that is what ECK means here would have the inheritance of heaven. This would also be true, if it meant being on the same side as the Holy Spirit or Gabriel, as Al Qoor'an 2.97-98 mentions. I would not agree with it in the Eckankar specific context; as that seems to be the rejection of orthodox or correctly believing religion and rebellion spoken of in the following two verses. but 4) I don't follow Eckankar, per say. So, I don't have to worry about the issues of considering The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad as "the holy book" with "none above it." I know, I can't change the fact that they won't consider one of God's scriptures or even an adulterated form of one of them as a greater spiritual authority. I wish that was not the case, but I seek to make that greater possibility in some ECKists.
They ask the person being initiated to bath fully and wear fresh clothes. I did such for Friday's Jumu'ah (Congregational [Islamic weekly services). So, I didn't have to do such special. Ritual bathing is good for a series of physical and psychological reasons. The same goes with preparing and designating clothing for a specific purpose. To those who don't know, I have two thobes, a shirt, and a pair of sweat pants that I painted with symbols that can specifically relate to Eckankar. They ask you to bring fruit or flowers as a gift to the initiator. Fruit and flowers are symbols of taste and smell. They are symbols of transformation, but here it is as "giving yourself to God." Donating to Eckankar is not an "entirely voluntary and personal decision" to donate to Eckankaron the occasion of an initiation or any other occasion when reminded that it is something some do. Be honest and call it a recommendation. People are asked to abstain from drugs and alcohol for six months prior to an ECK Initiation. This would be a good idea, if enforced, but they even give initiations to people who never quit. I am not sure why they or anyone else lists drinking alcoholic beverages and doing drugs differently. Perhaps, it is to distinguish between legal and illegal, but that essentially means nothing spiritually. The Four Zoas of ECK are requested of Higher Initiates or those of the Fifth Circle and beyond are requested of those taking the Fifth Initiation. They are to abstain from gluttony, vanity & pride, dogma & karma, and to always manifest the teaching of Eckankar. 1) To do more than not use intoxicants, except for purely medical purposes, gambling, and other things as to not exist as a mere animal is clearly the best and most clear of the bunch. 2) Sometimes being unhappy is not a matter of choices. It is entirely appropriate to place blame and speaking out or acting out against evils is often a good idea. 3) Love is fine, but all are constantly within a realm of cause and effect. Pretending that this concept and other Eckankar concepts are never rigidly held beliefs is ridiculous. 4) I don't see how even Harold Klemp, Darwin Gross, and Paul Twitchell perfectly embodied the contradictory jumble that is the Eckankar programming. The disciple of Eckankar might think they need a "Master in the human body," but I don't know how it has been shown, except in terms of mere belief or faith. The ECK Initiate pamphlet claims, "The Mahanta personally or through his Mahdis, connects the chela with the ECK Sound Current." The initiator may aid in engineering an experience in the initiate, but I would hardly deem the perception of going "through regions of Light" or being accompanied as unique to Eckankar. I do understand how people can be trained to feel it is only the leader of a particular group that can bring such things into their life. The vast number of groups teaching the same thing and claiming experience of the unique truth of their path makes clear that most of this is projections upon consciousness. The Living ECK Master and You pamphlet makes clear that the sense of connection with the Mahanta and the other alleged ECK Masters comes with practicing the Eckankar rituals and do the program they prescribe. People can pray to anything and think it answers their prayers. After all, Harold Klemp talked about imagining the inner realms till they become a reality.
Paul Twitchell spoke of the art of projection in more books than Talons of Time. How can a direct path or connection to God require intermediaries who go with you? Why would Living ECK Masters need to be a reality, if it is a path that doesn't depend on faith, but experience? I would support the idea of not smoking or using other hard drugs before anyone who does not give permission, but hardly think that those who are not in the physical presence of a human are in their actual presence. Eckankar is full of a lot of ideas that anthropologists used to call complex religious ideas of the savage philosopher. This category includes reincarnation and other ideas that they think could not have been possibly developed in a single generation. The ECK Initiate pamphlet lists Three Basic Principles of ECK. I disagree with the concept that each soul has no beginning or end; and therefor is not a creation. If "high path of ECK" means a spiritual life or the way revealed through the Holy Spirit, I would agree that those on it would actively exist on spiritual levels. We do live in the present, but to claim we have no past or future is absurd. It says that I now have the whole of ECK, because I understand these. Do I? My First Outer Initiation in Eckankar: I received my initiation into the Second Circle of ECK between 9:55 and 10:40 A.M. on Firday, January 9th, 2015. The first think was that I went into an office and sat on two chairs facing East as the initiator faced South. He read from a book that was either called The ECK Initiation Book or The ECK Initiator Handbook. I was asked if I had any questions before starting. The nature of what the initiation was or was supposed to represent was told. There was mention of the Soul going up to the Soul Plane or Fifth Plane to feed on the food of God; whatever that is supposed to mean. Al Qoor'aan 51.57 talks of how God has no need of provision or food. So, the food can be seen as representing special spiritual nourishment rather than God sharing what he feeds on. In the middle of the reading was The Cosmic Word or Chapter 18 of Stranger by the River: A Poetic Book on the Secret Knowledge of God by Paul Twitchell. After that reading, I was told that I would receive a two syllable word that was specific to me. "Vee Aye Vee Aye and that is pronounced Vah-neigh." I asked what Vana (vahnay) meant and was told, "It represents a lot of sounds...It is one of the many names of God." I said, "Okay." He said, "I'm going to go over it several times, then you are to chant it silently several times." Then I was to chant it till I felt the nudge to go silent. I was supposed to sit with my hands in my lap while facing forward. My right leg was not bend at a ninety degree angle due to my physical condition. Allowances were made for that. I was further instructed in the precepts and basics of Eckankar, including my new recommendations as a Second Initiate. I was told about the Friday Fast, to not write initiate reports that provoke responses or ask questions that Spiritual Services or Eckankar corporate headquarters would see as a reason to respond, and to not write about the details of the Eckankar initiations. So much for a Initiate Report being secret, if one has to follow rules that admit that the letters are not confidential between a person and who is called the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. Is ECK actually E.C.K.; which means something like Ennead Corporate Kenisis? One is told that whoever they call Mahanta (Way Show-er), the Living ECK Master will always be with them now that they have taken the Second Initiation in ECK. Elsewhere, one reads that this idea is programmed in to imply a means of the threats of physical, psychological, and spiritual consequences of leaving the group becoming a reality. This sort of programming has really messed up some people who stopped believing in some of these Godman and other polytheist and superstitious claims. There is help and most of the
people who have left were much better after an initial stage of adjustment. Possible experiences that may have presaged my outer initiation were discussed. I ventured to say that my first initiation was my vision of being handed a rose quartz wand while I stood upon a white circular platform surrounded by three blue carnations. I have since considered that the most fitting dream as a second initiation was that one where I swept up the leaves of 973 after seeing a book with as many pages; each with an outer name and a spiritual name of an alleged ECK Master. The Three Eckankar precepts were gone over. "Soul exists, because God loves it" is not quite the clarity of a meaning of life as what Al Qoor'aan 51.56 says about the beings of choice being created only to worship God. Neither does "God is love." answer the issues of different loves for different things. The prophets taught of love by and for God as a noun and verb. Love itself is not a god. I don't remember the third precept, but close this part with a response to the aforementioned purpose of life. Al Qoor'aan 51.58 says, "Verily! Allah is the All Providing, The Lord of Power, Most Strong."
The Cosmic Word or Chapter 18 of Stranger by the River by Paul Twitchell: A Poetic Book on the Secret Knowledge of God: Sharing this under freedom of religion rights and freedom of speech should be enough legal justification to share the works of a dead man as it pertains to spiritual practices that I was a party to. This chapter goes as follows: All was well this night with the seeker, until the wind began to blow. He had finished his contemplation and talked with the Master. His life was in order as always, until the wind blew this night. Yes, all was well, until this night when he stood by the dark, flowing river in a world where a burning star made a strange light over the hills and valleys and gleamed beautifully upon the water. It was then in the darkness from beyond the far shores he heard, the first time, the sound of the wind. It was a low sound, deep and humming, and seemingly a part of the darkness. He raised his head and listened. He left off everything and stood there listening, and soon everything else was gone; his thoughts, his life, the starlit world; all gone and lost-and that was all there was, the darkness and the sound. He turned to Rebazar Tarzs under the tree. "What is that strange sound like the wind, O Master? What might it be?" "What you hear is of thy own true self, my son." the Sat Guru replied, pointing. "There is no wind. Look you yonder at the river and see there is no disturbance of the water!" The seeker shook his head. "Strange, I believe that it is the wind. But it is a haunting melody which comes from the worlds beyond, a formless sound which cannot be fitted into any pattern.. It makes me desire God." "Tell me more of thy own feelings," the Master smiled. "What do you hear?"
"I an not sure what I hear. I listen and a wind hums, and the humming seems a thing of my own body and brain. But then it changes, It is outside of me. it flows into me from the night over the city, the night over the land. It comes from some far-off distance, across the sea, a continent." The Tibetian laughed. "Yea, and from the worlds beyond. What you hear is the Voice of God-the celestial Word which is that mighty spiritual current flowing forever out of the throne of God to sustain the worlds of cosmic creation." "All men can hear It, if they stop and listen. Only some more clearly than others. That is why you hear tonight-because thy spiritual ears are open. That is why you stand there listening to the Voice of God speaking from His great throne in the far beyond. He is calling for Soul to return to Its true Home. And Soul has heard and is yearning to go." "The Voice of God is that Sound Current within the cosmic body of the Lord, and within thy own body. Sometimes, It is known as the five melodies, or by many names by various religions. St. John spoke of It in the Holy Bible." "The Voice of God is man's divine link with the Almighty SUGMAD. Until you understand that the unceasing internal melody within thyself is the path over which to travel to reach the Eternal Home, then you will struggle in vain." "It is the true Spirit Current and is like the great river yonder; for if you try to divert it one way, then it flows another. Stop it and it will overflow the banks. So it is better to open thy spiritual ears and listen to the Music of the seven spheres as It flows through thee. Open thyself, thy heart and Soul to It, unafraid and gladly." "So, I tell you that it is necessary to have both the Light and Sound in thy spiritual life. The Light is for the traveling Soul to see the pitfalls and obstructions on Its journey to God, and the Sound is for Soul to follow the path back to the throne of the King of Kings. So, you must make contact with both aspects of the Word within thyself, and this is provided by God, and unfolded by the true Godman, for Soul to travel along with the Sound step-by-step into the land of pure, eternal bliss." "Once you have gained contact through ECK with the divine link, the Word of God, Soul is literally pulled out of Its clay temple toward the Heaven of Heavens from which It came, with such force that the world in which you now live is unreal and uninteresting." The seeker's eyes strained into the dark sky, staring at the brilliant star, at the darkness beyond the star. The star was white, pure, and eternal; a bright beacon burning into the night. He leaned across the river's edge. The haunting Sound beat at him; pulled at him. He seemed no longer to be standing on the earth, but suspended in space. He stretched out his hand across the water-
across the hills toward the burning star. "If you have faith," said the Traveler's voice, "if thy heart is ready, then you can follow the Voice of God back to thy true Home! You can travel back again via the path of ECKANKAR!" The seeker's mind reeled; the night, the star, and the world reeled around him. He started falling into a deep, dark gulf where the darkness was blacker and deeper. He was falling, reaching out, groping for a hand, grasping at the Guru. The burning star was before him; the roaming Sound in his head, and he knew this was the Voice of God! This was ECKANKAR!
My Thoughts on Chapter 6+6+6 of Stranger by the River by Paul Twitchell: So, the sounds and voices that throw a person off balance are not only Eckankar, but the Voice of God? It seems like what they call "the Eckankar program" is about trusting in gurus where a monotheist might trust in God. People who are disillusioned by both secular life and their former spiritual paths may want Eckankar to be right so badly that they will accept different degrees of cognitive dissonance, and apophenia. Eckankar member may desire to program themselves into having depersonalization disorder, derealization disorder, or some other dissociative disorder. The law protects those who don't seem to be a threat to themselves and others from treatment against their will. The U.S. constitution provides for protection against diagnosis or other state interference when it is alleged that the person has a spiritual path that supports them in this. That remains true even when only one person is known to have that path. Do people claim to believe in Eckankar and other such groups, because they already have these conditions or does the Eckankar program tend to create mental illness in their members? There is no hypostatic union. No one is an incarnation of God. No one actually puts a face on God or is unique in having God present, if God is indeed Omnipresent and Omnipotent. Uniqueness in that respect would obviously compromise both. I never utter agreement with such words and practices. It is true that one cannot stop the spiritual from existing and your the spiritual reality will eventually come an known reality to everyone. To me the seven spheres means the classically observed "wandering stars", the seven colors or categories of magic or spiritual practice, the seven chakras, and the seven alchemical processes. One can really experience a reality of each in terms of sounds and sights. The reality behind the concept of a cosmic body is not that God is incarnate in the universes. The reality is that the universes manifest God's laws. God is Omnipresent. That means that God is not confined to space. God is nearer to any particle than itself and further away from it than anything else, but not it. Eckankar speaks of distance to God in order to make people feel like there are representatives working for God in God Worlds. All things in creation seem to have vibrations that can be known as both light and sound. Yes, the Light and Sound of God are within and outside us. Then, we essentially witness to the Voice of God through the experience of this universe that was created and is sustained according to his laws. If this alone was sufficient to guide people, why support the idea of a guru or prophet? I am not saying that awareness of what is around you is not just as important. Is the implication of Al Qoor'aan 32.13 correct in that each soul is not to personally receive all their guidance first hand? Is that verse correct about God's Word as already established about how the detention
centers/Hades/Hell of the Astral Realm will be filled with humans and fire beings together? My 18/3/1436 Experience of My Second ECK Initiation: My meeting that included my Second ECK Initiation was between 9:43-10:48 A.M. on Friday the 9th of January, 2015. Before the initiation, I handed over three dried chrysanthemums and three lavender paper roses to the initiator. After all, a gift of flowers or fruit was recommended. Both symbolized the Three of Disks as Work and Initiation or Devotee. This meaning was explained after the initiation. I wanted to commemorate the symbolism of the decante Lyra or The Lyre; which was the part of the year we were in. Between 9:55 an 10:40 A.M or the fourth through fifth solar hour of the Eighteenth Day of Rabi' Al Awwal, 1436. I had an uneasy feeling the whole time that the man read from the Initiator's Handbook. This feeling started on the side of me; or the side that the Book of ECK Inititiations or whatever it was called was read on. The feeling spread to my right side; until the whole of my body was feeling this uneasy feeling. As I silently said VANA (like vah-nay), the uneasiness went away and I felt pressed down upon. I closed my eyes and a mash up of different colored dots were there. That was replaced by a pink all over as my heart rate sped up. As this was happening, a pressure built. I saw a flash of electric yellow as I felt euphoria drag down me; relaxing away all my stiffness and relieving all pain. I was left tingly and content. The yellowish flashes would linger as I was wiped over analgesically. My heart rate became very slow afterwards. The pressure was gone after the first such incident, but nine more of these experiences happened. Each time would start with the sound of a metallic tink and would be followed by more white in the pink cloud expanse. Each time, the yellow was brighter and more white. The latter ones were so white that it was difficult to distinguish any yellow in my sight. When things ended, the Initiator said, "Salam al' (Salam Alaykoom or peace be upon you is something a couple of High Initiates have started to say to me by accident. As far as I know, no one in the group has knowledge that I was ever Muslim.)" paused and said, "Baraka Bashad or may the blessings be." I continued sitting there feeling heavy as I listened to the instructions that were being read from the book. This feeling left me when I got ablutions in the nearby bathroom afterwards. I was reminded of listening to Israel Regardie's Knowledge Lecture tapes for the Golden Dawn. I am not sure how, though. I didn't specifically promise to keep this initiation secret; nor did I make other such promises with Eckankar member material. They just threatened me psychologically and spiritually; both the official material and the members warn you of how it violates spiritual law. These curses and programming do not even seem to cause me to hesitate in revealing the workings of Eckankar. Interpretation of my vision: A basic ECKist interpretation of my experience that day would be to say that my experience was dominated by the sight of the Astral Plane or the First Heaven and sound of the Causal Plane or the Second Heaven. Then one could be said to have became aware of the signifiers of the ten known realms of true spirit or the 5th through 14th Planes (6th-15th, if the Mental and Etheric Planes are counted separately).
