Lacerta Files - The Swedish Reptilians (Baltic Saunas)

Lacerta: The Reptilian Interview

Lacerta File I

Translation by Chris Pfeiler, Editor and Translator.

Taken from http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

Introd!tion

I !ertify that the following text is the absolte trth and no work of fi!tion. These are parts of a trans!ript of an inter"iew I#"e made with a non$hman and reptilian being in %e!ember &'''. This female being was already in !onta!t with a friend of mine (whose name is gi"en only with the abbre"iation abbre" iation E.). E.). in the text* sin!e some months. +et me de!lare, that I was all my life a skepti! abot )-s, aliens and other weird things and I thoght that t hat E.). E.). tells me st dreams or fi!titios stories when he talked with me abot his )irst Conta!ts with the non$hman being +a!erta. I was still a skepti! when I met this being on %e!ember &0 last year in that small warm room in the remote hose of my friend near to a town in the soth of 1weden, despite the fa!t that I saw now with my own eyes that she was not hman. 1he has told and shown me so many nbelie"able things dring that meeting that I !an#t deny the reality and the trth of her words any longer. longer. This is not another of that wrong )- papers whi!h !laim to tell the trth bt tell in fa!t st fi!tion, I#m !on"in!ed that this trans!ript !ontains the only trth and th erefore yo shold read it.

I had talked with her for o"er 3 hors, so the following trans!ript shows yo only shortened parts of the inter"iew, be!ase she asked me after the inter"iew not to pblish e"erything she had told me already now. now. The order of the 2estions in this trans!ript is not always the same order in whi!h I had asked them, so it may seem sometimes a little bit !onfsing to yo. It was not easy to delete all the important parts she had asked me to delete from the trans!ript, so I apologie for the maybe nsal order. order. I#m in the possession of the entire trans!ript of the inter"iew (4' pages with some of my drawings of her body and her e2ipment* and also of some tapes on whi!h I ha"e the fll inter"iew, bt I will not re"eal this before I ha"e permission from her. her. I will send this shortened form of the th e still fas!inating do!ment to for of my reliable r eliable friends to )inland, 5orway, 5orway, 6ermany and )ran!e and I hope they will translate it into their own langages and into other langages and I hope as many people as possible will be able to read and to nderstand nd erstand the trans!ript. If yo re!ei"e it, please send it to all yor friends "ia e$mail or make print$ots and !opy them.

I !ertify frthermore, that "arios paranormal abilities of her spe!ies like telepathy and telekinesis (in!lding the mo"ing and dan!ing of my pen!il on the table withot to!hing and the flying of an apple arond 47 !entimeters o"er her hands* were shown to me dring the 3 hors and 0 mintes of the meeting and I#m absoltely sre that these abilities were

no tri!ks. The following is !ertainly diffi!lt to nderstand and to belie"e for someone who hasn#t experien!ed it, bt I was really in !onta!t with her mind and I#m now !ompletely sre that e"erything she said dring the inter"iew is the absolte trth abot or world.

nfortnately, if I read the entire trans!ript and (m!h more* this "ery shortened form by nfortnately, myself I ha"e the strong impression, that e"erything I#"e written sonds too nbelie"able to be tre, that e"erything sonds more like a bad s!ien!e fi!tion story from T8 or !inema and I ha"e dobts that anyone will belie"e my experien!es. 9t they are tre, if yo belie"e it or not. I !an#t expe!t from yo that yo belie"e my simple words withot e"iden!e, bt I !an#t gi"e yo that e"iden!e. Please read the trans!ript and think abot it and yo will maybe see the trth in these words.

There will be a new meeting between me and her (again in the same hose in 1weden* on pril ;3 ;777 and she promised me to gi"e me maybe some e"iden!e for her existen!e. In the meantime I !olle!t 2estions whi!h I will ask her then.
9elie"e it or not, this makes no real differen!e (bt I hope yo will belie"e.*

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Transcript of the Interview (Shortened Version)

%e!ember &0, &'''

>estion:)irst of all, who are yo and what are yo? re yo an extraterrestrial spe!ies or !an yor origin be fond on this planet?

nswer:s yo !old see with yor own eyes, I#m not a hman being like yo and to be honest I#m no real mammal (despite my partly p artly mammal$like body featres, whi!h are a reslt of e"oltion.* I#m a female reptile being, belonging to a "ery old reptilian ra!e. @e are the nati"e terrans and we li"e on that planet sin!e millions of years. @e are mentioned in yor religios writings like yor Christian 9ible and many of the an!ient hman tribes were aware of or presen!e and worshipped s as gods, for example the Egyptians and the In!a and many other old tribes. t ribes. Aor Aor Christian religion has h as misnderstood or role in yor !reation, so we are mentioned as e"il serpent in yor writings. This is wrong. Aor Aor ra!e was geneti!ally engineered by aliens and we were st  st the more or less passi"e "isitors of this a!!elerated e"oltion pro!ess. Ao Ao mst know (some of yor s!ientists ha"e already spposed this* that yor spe!ies had e"ol"ed in a natrally !ompletely impossible speed within st ; $ 3 millions of years. This is absoltely impossible, be!ase e"oltion is a m!h

slower pro!ess if it#s natral bt yo ha"e not n ot nderstood this. Aor Aor !reation was artifi!ial and done by geneti! engineering, bt not by s bt b t by an alien spe!ies. If yo ask me, if I#m an extraterrestrial, I mst answer no. @e are nati"e terrans. @e had and ha"e some !olonies in the solar system, bt we originate on this planet. It#s in fa!t or planet and not yors $ it was ne"er yors.

>estion:Can yo tell me yor name?

nswer:This is diffi!lt, be!ase yor hman tonge is not able to pronon!e it !orre!tly (and a mispronn!iation of or names n ames is "ery offensi"e for some of my kind.* -r langage is "ery different from yors, bt my name is BI will try to say it smoother by se of yor hman lettersB something like 1ssshiaassshakkkasskkhhhshhh with a "ery, "ery, "ery strong pronn!iation of the sh and k sonds. @e ha"e no forenames like yo bt only a single bt ni2e name whi!h is di"ided and !hara!teried by the way of speaking and whi!h is gi"en not to !hildren (who ha"e an own !hildren$name* bt only in a spe!ial pro!edre in the adoles!ent age at the time of either religios or s!ientifi! enlightenment or awareness (as yo wold !all it.* I wold appre!iate it if yo don#t try to say my real name with yor hman tonge. Please !all me +a!erta, this is the name I generally se when I#m among hmans and talk with them.

>estion:ow old are yo?

nswer:@e measre measre the time not like yo in astronomi!al years and in the re"ol"ing of the earth arond sn, be!ase we sally li"e beneath the srfa!e of the planet. -r time measrement depends on periodi!ally retrning !y!les in the earth magneti! field and a!!ording to this (and said with yor nmbers* I#m today Blet me !al!lateB D,0D3 !y!les old. I ha"e rea!hed my adlt phase and my awareness &0,33 !y!les ago (this is a "ery important date for s.* !!ording to yor hman time s!ale I#m arond ;F years old.

>estion:@hat is yor task? %o yo ha"e a ob like s ?

nswer:To say it with yor words: I#m a !rios stdent of the so!ial beha"ior of yor nswer:To spe!ies. That#s That#s why I#m here and talk to yo, that#s why I ha"e re"ealed my real natre to E.). and now to yo and that#s that#s why I gi"e yo all that se!ret information and why I will try to answer all the 2estions on yor many sheets of paper honestly. honestly. I will see how yo rea!t, how others of yor kind rea!t. There are so many !raies and liars of yor kind on this planet who !laim to know the trth abot s, abot )-s, abot aliens and so on and some of yo belie"e their lies. I#m interested to see how yor spe!ies will rea!t if yo make the trth (whi!h I will tell yo now* pbli!. I#m 2ite sre e"eryone of yo will refse to belie"e my words, bt I hope I#m wrong, be!ase yo need to nderstand if yo want to sr"i"e the !oming years

>estion:I#"e read yor fll statement (whi!h yo ha"e gi"en to E.).* E.).* abot this, bt !an yo gi"e me now st a short answer: are )-s real flying obe!ts piloted by extraterrestrials or do they belong to yor spe!ies?

nswer:1ome obser"ed )-s $ as yo !all them th em $ belong to s, bt most not.
>estion:a"e yo a spe!ial symbol or something like that with whi!h we !an identify yor kind ?

nswer:@e ha"e two maor symbols representing or spe!ies. -ne (the more an!ient* symbol is a ble serpent with for white wings on a bla!k ba!kgrond (the !olors ha"e religios meanings for s.* This symbol was sed from !ertain parts of my so!iety, so!iety, bt it is today "ery seldom Byo hmans ha"e !opied it "ery often in yor old writings. The other symbol is a mysti! being yo wold !all a %ragon in the shape of a !ir!le with se"en white stars in the middle. This symbol is m!h more !ommon today. today. If yo see one of that symbols on a !ylindri!al !raft I#"e des!ribed in my pre"ios answer or on some ndergrond installation, this thing or pla!e belongs definitely to s (and I wold ad"ise yo to go away from there as soon as possible.

>estion:The se"en stars in the se!ond symbol yo#"e mentioned, do they mean the Pleiades ?

nswer:Pleiades? 5o. !tally, !tally, the se"en stars are planets and moons and they are a symbol for or former se"en !olonies in the solar system. The stars are shown in front of a ble ba!kgrond and the dragon$!ir!le means the shape of Earth. The se"en white stars mean
!olonies are no longer in se and abandoned, so D stars wold be more !orre!t.

>estion:s yo ha"e not allowed me to make photos Bwhat wold be "ery sefl to pro"e yor real existen!e and the trth of this storyB !an yo des!ribe yorself detailed ?

nswer:I know that it wold be helpfl to pro"e the athenti!ity of this inter"iew if yo !an make some photos from me. -therwise, yo hmans are "ery skepti! (that#s good for s and for the real alien spe!ies a!ting se!retly on this planet* so e"en if yo had s!h photos, many of yor kind wold say that they are frad, that I#m st a masked hman woman or something like that (that wold be "ery offensi"e for me.* Ao Ao mst nderstand that I !an#t gi"e yo permission to make photos of me or of my e2ipment. This ha"e h a"e "arios reasons, whi!h I want not to dis!ss with yo frther, bt one of the reasons is the keeping p of the se!re!y of or existen!e, another reason is more religios. 5e"ertheless, yo ha"e permission to make drawings of my look and of my e2ipment I !an show yo later. later. I !an also try to des!ribe myself, bt I dobt that others of yor kind will be able to imagine my real look st from simple words, be!ase the atomati! denial of the existen!e of reptilian spe!ies and generally of intelligent spe!ies other than yor own is part of the programming of yor mind. @ell, I will try.

Imagine the body of a normal hman h man woman and yo ha"e at first fir st a good imagination of my body.. +ike yo, I ha"e a head, two arms, two hands, two legs and two feet and the body proportions of my body are like yors. s I#m female I ha"e also two breasts (despite or reptile origin, we ha"e started to gi"e milk to or babies dring the e"oltion pro!ess Bthis happened arond 37 million years agoB be!ase this is the best thing to keep t he yong ali"e. E"oltion had done this for yor spe!ies already in the dinosar age and Ba little bit laterB also for ors. That means not that we are now real mammals* bt the breasts of s are not as large as those of hman woman and the sie of them is generally e2al for e"ery female of my kind. The external reprod!tion organs are for both sexes smaller than those of hmans, bt they are "isible and they ha"e the th e same fn!tion as yors (another gift of e"oltion to or spe!ies.

the nostrils, whi!h enabled the an!estors to see temperatre. @e ha"e lost most of this ability,, bt we !an still feel temperatre m!h better with this organ. -r lips are shaped ability like yors (those of females a little bit larger than those of males* bt of a pale brown !olor and or teeth are "ery white and strong and a little bit longer and sharper than yor soft mammal teeth. @e @e ha"e no different hair !olors like yo (bt there th ere is a tradition to !olor the hairs in different ages* and the original !olor is Blike mineB a greenish brown. -r hairs are thi!ker and stronger than yors and they grow "ery slow. In addition, the head is the only part of or body where we ha"e hairs.

-r body, body, arms and legs are similar in shape and sie to yors, bt the th e !olor is different (green$beige, like the fa!e* and there are s!ale$like str!tres on the pper legs (o"er the knee* and pper arms (o"er the elbow*. -r fi"e fingers are a little bit longer and thinner than hman fingers and or skin on the palm is plain, so we ha"e no lines like yo bt again a !ombination of a s!ale$like skin str!tre and of the brown dots (both sexes ha"e the dots on the palm* and we ha"e no fingerprints like yo. If yo to!h my skin, yo will feel that it is smoother than yor hairy skin. There are small sharp horns on the pside of both middle fingers. The fingernails are grey and generally longer than yors. Ao Ao see that my nails are not so long and rond at the top. This is be!ase I#m female.
@hat else is different from yor kind? -h, we ha"e no na"el, be!ase we w ere born in a different way to yor mammal birth. The other exterior differen!es from yor kind are minor and I think I mst not mention all now now,, be!ase most of them are not "isible if we we wear !lothing. I hope the des!ription of my body was detailed enogh. I wold ad"i!e yo to make some drawings.

>estion:@hat kind of !lothing do yo generally wear? I sppose this is not the way yo dress normally.

nswer:5o, I wear this hman e"ery$day$!lothing e"er y$day$!lothing only when I#m among hmans. To To be honest, it#s it#s not "ery !omfortable for me to wear s!h tight things t hings and it is always a "ery nsal feeling. If we are in or own home (this means in or sbterranean home* or in or large artifi!ial sn areas and if we are together with others n ear to or own name, we are

sally naked. Is this sho!king for yo? @hen we are in the pbli! and together with many others of my spe!ies we wear "ery wide and soft !lothing made of thin, light stff. I ha"e told yo that many parts of or bodies are "ery to!h sensiti"e, mostly the small ba!k plates so we !an#t feel !omfortable in tight !lothing be!ase it !an hrt s.
>estion:Ao#"e >estion:A o#"e said others near to yor own name. %o yo mean yor family ?

nswer:5o, not really. really. Ao Ao wold !all it family bt with this word yo mean only those of yor kind whi!h belong geneti!ally together like father or mother and !hild. s I ha"e said earlier we ha"e a "ery diffi!lt and ni2e name. Part of the pronn!iation of that name is absolte ni2e and there is no other being with the same name, bt part of this name (the middle part* is pronon!ed in a way that told the others to whi!h family (I mst se the word, be!ase yo ha"en#t the right one in yor "o!ablary* yo belong. This means not that all in that grop are geneti!ally related to yo, be!ase these grops are sally "ery large and !ontain between 47 and 7 of s. This grop in!ldes generally yor geneti! relations $ ex!ept one of them had de!ided to left this grop $ and yor !onne!tion with father and mother is often the strongest. It wold be too diffi!lt for me to explain yo now or "ery old so!ial system whi!h is "ery !omplex and we wold need many hors only for the primary things.
>estion:a"e yo a tail like normal reptiles ?

nswer:%o yo see one? 5o, we ha"e no "isible tail. If yo look at or skeleton, there is only a small ronded bone at the end of or spine behind the pel"is. This is a seless rdiment of the tail of or an!estors, bt it is not "isible from the otside. -h, or embryos ha"e tails dring the first months of de"elopment, bt these tails disappear before they were born.  tail makes only sense for a primiti"e spe!ies whi!h tries to walk on two legs and mst held the balan!e with the tail, bt or skeleton had !hanged dring e"oltion and or spine is nearly in the same shape as yors, so we need no tail to stay on two feet.

>estion:Ao >estion:A o said that yo were wer e born in a different way to s. %o % o yo lay eggs ?

nswer:Aes, bt not like yor birds or primiti"e nswer:Aes, pr imiti"e reptiles. !tally, !tally, the embryo grows in a protein li2id inside the mother#s womb, bt there is also an egg$shaped bt "ery thin !halk hll arond it, that fills the whole womb. The embryo inside this hll is !ompletely atarky from the mother#s body and it has e"ery sbstan!e it needs to de"elop inside this !halk hll. There is also a !ord like yor na"el !ord whi!h is !onne!ted to a point hidden behind the ba!k plates. @hen the baby is going to be born, the whole egg is pressed throgh the "agina !o"ered in a slimy protein sbstan!e and the baby !ame ot of this soft egg after some mintes. These two horns on or middle fingers were instin!ti"ely sed from babies to

break throgh the !halk hll to take their first breath. -r yong are not so large as yor babies when they were born, they are between 37 and 3D of yor !entimeters tall, the egg is arond 47 !entimeters tall (this is be!ase or "agina is smaller than a hman one* bt we grow to a normal sie of &,07 to &,F7 meters.

>estion:@hat abot yor body temperatre? Ao#"e Ao#"e said that yo enoy to lay in the sn. @hat effe!t has this to yor organism ?

nswer:@e are no mammals and as reptiles or body temperatre depends on the temperatre of or srronding. If yo to!h my hand yo will maybe feel that it is !older than yors, be!ase or normal body temperatre is arond 37 to 33 degree Celsis. If we sit in the sn (espe!ially naked and with or row of small ba!k plates in the sn* or body temperatre !an rise for F or ' degrees within mintes. This rise !ases a prod!tion of many enymes and hormones in or body body,, or heart and brain and e"ery organ be!omes more a!ti"e and we feel than "ery, "ery, "ery good. Ao Ao hmans only enoy being bein g in the sn bt for s it is the greatest pleasre yo !an imagine (maybe like yor sexal ex!itement.* @e also enoy swimming in "ery warm water or other li2ids to rise or body temperatre. If we are for some hors in the shadow, shadow, or temperatre goes ba!k to 37 to 33 degrees. This !an !ase no harm to s, bt we feel m!h better in the sn. @e ha"e artifi!ial sn$rooms in the ndergrond bt this is not the same for s like the real sn.

>estion:@hat do yo eat ? nswer:6enerally "arios things like yo: flesh, frit, "egetables, spe!ial kinds of fngs (from sbterranean farms* and other things. th ings. @e !an also eat and digest some sbstan!es whi!h are poisonos for yo. The main differen!e between yo and s is that we mst eat flesh, be!ase or body needs the proteins. @e !an#t li"e !ompletely "egetarian like yor kind be!ase or digestion wold stop working and we wold die after some weeks or maybe months withot flesh. estion:Can yo tell me something abot the natral history and e"oltion of yor spe!ies? ow old is yor spe!ies? a"e yo e"ol"ed from primiti"e reptiles as mankind has e"ol"ed from apes ? nswer:-h, this is a "ery long and !omplex story and it sonds !ertainly nbelie"able to yo, bt it#s the trth. I will try to explain it in short. rond 0D million years ago, many of or nad"an!ed an!estors from the dinosar ra!e died in a great global !ata!lysm. The reason for this destr!tion was not a natral disaster $ an asteroid impa!t as yor s!ientists belie"e falsely $ bt a war between two enemy alien grops that took mainly pla!e in the orbit and high atmosphere of yor planet. !!ording to or limited knowledge abot the t he early days this global war was the first alien war on planet earth bt it was definitely not the last (and a ftre war is !oming soon, while a !old war $ as yo !all it $ between alien grops is ongoing sin!e the last 3 years on yor planet.* The opponents in this 0D million

year old war were two ad"an!ed alien spe!ies, whose both names are again not pronon!eable for yor tonges. I#m able to say them bt it wold hrt yor ear if I tell yo the names in their original way. way. -ne ra!e was hmanoid like yor spe!ies (bt m!h older* and was from this ni"erse, ni"er se, from a solar system in the t he star !onstellation yo !all Pro!yon today in yor maps. The other spe!ies $ abot whi!h we know not so m!h $ was a reptilian spe!ies, bt they ha"e nothing to do with or own spe!ies, be!ase we ha"e e"ol"ed from lo!al sarians withot exterior inflen!e (ex!ept the s!!essfl maniplation of or own genes by s.

when or final reptilian ra!e $ as yo see me today $ was !reated by se of geneti! engineering. This was arond &7 million years ago and or e"oltion nearly stopped at this point (well, a!tally there were some minor !hanges in or look toward a more hmanoid and mammal$like appearan!e dring the !oming ages, bt we ha"e not di"ided again into sb$spe!ies*. Ao Ao see, we are a "ery old ra!e in !omparison to yor kind, whi!h was mping arond as small monkey$like animals in the trees at this time while we in"ented te!hnology,, !olonied other planets of this system, bilt large !ities on this planet (whi!h te!hnology disappeared withot a tra!e in the ages* and engineered or own genes while yor genes where still those of animals. &7 million years ago the small simians started to grow and they !ame down from the trees to the grond (again be!ase of the !hange of the !limate $ espe!ially on the so$!alled fri!an !ontinent.* 9t they e"ol"ed "ery slow as it is normal for a mammal and if nothing extraordinary had happened to yor kind, we woldn#t be able to sit here and talk be!ase I wold sit in my !omfortable modern hose and yo wold sit in yor !a"e !lothed with fr and trying to dis!o"er the se!rets of fire $ or yo wold maybe sit in one of or oos. 9t the things had de"eloped differently and yo belie"e now yo are the !rown of !reation and yo !an sit in the modern hose and we mst hide and li"e beneath the earth and in remote areas. rond &,D million years ago, another alien spe!ies arri"ed at Earth (it was srprisingly the first spe!ies sin!e o"er 07 million years. This wold be more srprising for yo if yo wold know how many different spe!ies are today here.* The interest of this hmanoid spe!ies $ yo !all them Illoim today $ was not the raw material and the !opper, !opper, it were to or astonishment the nad"an!ed ape$hmanoids. %espite of or presen !e on this planet, the aliens de!ided to help the th e apes to e"ol"e a little bit faster, faster, to ser"e them in the ftre as some kind of sla"e$ra!e in !oming wars. The fate of yor spe!ies was not really important for s, bt we didn#t like the presen!e of the Illoim on or planet and they didn#t liked or presen!e on their th eir new gala!ti! oo planet and so yor sixth and se"enth !reation was the reason for a war between betwe en s and them. th em. Ao Ao !an read abot that war for example partly in the book yo !all 9ible in a "ery strange way of des!ription. The real trth is a "ery long and diffi!lt story. story. 1hold I !ontine? >estion:5o, not now. now. I#"e made some notes abot yor history and now I ha"e some 2estions. nswer:Please ask. >estion:)irst of all, yo handle with a "ery large time s!ale. Ao Ao !laim that yor primiti"e pr imiti"e an!estors li"ed together with the dinosars, sr"i"ed the $ as yo !alled it $ artifi!ial !ata!lysm and e"ol"ed then o"er 47 million years and yor e"oltion was !ompleted &7 million years ago. This sonds "ery nbelie"able to me. Can yo say something to this ? nswer:I nderstand that this mst sond absoltely nbelie"able to yo, be!ase yo are a yong and geneti!ally engineered spe!ies. Aor Aor histori!al horion ends at a s!ale of st some thosands of years and yo think this is right. 9t it isn#t. This is impossible. Aor Aor programmed mind is ob"iosly not able to handle with s!h large time s!ales. -r e"oltion time may seem in!redible long to yo, bt this is in fa!t the original way of natre. Hemember,, yor early mammal an!estors de"eloped together with dinosars and they Hemember sr"i"ed the bomb like s. They e"ol"ed slowly dring the next nex t millions of years and they di"ided into "arios spe!ies and shapes, some of them larger larger,, some of them th em smaller. smaller. This is

e"oltion of the body. body. 9t what abot their mind and intelligen!e? int elligen!e? They were simple animals. The mammals e"ol"ed sin!e Blet s sayB &D7 millions of years, bt only in the last ; $ 3 millions of years they were able to be!ame intelligent and thinking. nd within this small period beings like yo were !reated. )rom natre? &4F millions of year# year#ss time for the e"oltion of animal$like mammals, ; millions of year#s year#s time for the de"elopment of (more or less* intelligent beings like yo? sk yorself: %o yo really think this a!!elerated e"oltion is natral? Then yor spe!ies is more ignorant than I#"e thoght. @e ha"e not e"ol"ed wrong bt yo. >estion:I nderstand. 9t I ha"e another 2estion. Ao#"e Ao#"e mentioned many fa!ts abot the an!ient war between the aliens 0D million years ago. This happened "ery long before yor kind be!ame really intelligent (as far as I ha"e nderstood yo*. @hy do yo know so many things abot that first war and abot the e"oltion of yor spe!ies? nswer:This is a good 2estion (m!h better than the pre"ios* and I ha"e not explained it properly to yo. -r knowledge abot the first war !omes !ompletely from an an!ient artifa!t, whi!h was fond arond &0,777 years ago from or ar!heologists on the !ontinent yo !all 5orth meri!a today. today. They fond there a rond plate with a diameter of approximately 4 of yor !entimeters. The plate was made of an e"en for s nknown magneti! material and inside the plate there was another smaller !rystal plate whi!h !ontained an enormos amont of information !oded in the mole!lar str!tre of the !rystal. This memory plate was manfa!tred from the last bomb sr"i"ors of hman ra!e from Pro!yon Pro!yon already 0D million years ago bt it was !ompletely inta!t when we fond it. i t. -r s!ientists were able to en!ode the messages and data and so we heard the first time abot the e"ents whi!h took pla!e in the distant past and whi!h led to the extin!tion of the dinosars. The plate !ontained detailed des!riptions of both spe!ies (bt more abot the hmanoids* and abot the e"ents and weapons, in!lding the fsion bomb. It !ontained also a des!ription of the animals and sarians on earth, in!lding or pre$intelligent an!estor spe!ies. The rest of or knowledge abot or e"oltion !omes from skeletons and from the ba!k$reading and de/en!oding of or %5. Ao Ao see, we know the th e real trth abot or roots sin!e &0,777 years. 9efore that time, there was a more religios idea of or !reation. >estion:@hat ha"e happened with the both alien spe!ies? nswer:@e don#t know exa!tly. exa!tly. The sr"i"ing hmanoids on earth eart h ob"iosly died in the years after the bomb and others of their kind and the reptilians ne"er !ame ba!k to Earth (as far as we know*. Con!erning the reptilian aliens, there is a possibility that it was physi!ally impossible for them to retrn, be!ase the matter between bbbles is sometimes in rapid mo"ement. The !rrent theory is, that both spe!ies had !eased to exist dring the millions of years. >estion:Ao#"e mentioned skeletons of yor kind. ow !an it be, that hman s!ientists >estion:Ao#"e ha"en#t fond any tra!e of yo and yor an!estors if yo really li"e for s!h a long time on this planet? @e ha"e fond many skeletons of primiti"e dinosars, bt none of an ad"an!ed reptilian being with a larger skll and brain and a hand with a thmb as yo ha"e des!ribed it before. nswer:Aes, yo ha"e. 9t yor great s!ientists were not able to re!onstr!t the skeletons nswer:Aes, !ompletely,, be!ase they wanted to re!onstr!t reptilian animals, not !ompletely n ot intelligent beings.

Ao wold lagh if yo wold know how many of the (espe!ially small* sarian skeletons in yor msems are totally wrong !onstr!tions of ne"er$existing beings, be!ase yo sed many bones whi!h didn#t really belong together and sometimes yo made artifi!ial bones if something was missing yo needed to t o !onstr!t an animal sarian. estion:Ao speak sometimes abot ndergrond !ities and artifi!ial snlight. %o yo >estion:Ao mean something like a hollow Earth with this? Is there a se!ond sn inside or planet? nswer:5o, Earth is not really !ompletely hollow and there is no se!ond sn inside. This story is ridi!los and physi!ally not possible (e"en yor spe!ies shold be intelligent enogh not to belie"e this.* %o yo know how m!h mass a sn mst ha"e to prod!e energy and light for a longer time by fsion? %o yo really think that ther e !old be a small a!ti"e sn inside the planet? @hen I talk abot or sbterranean home, I talk abot large !a"e systems. The !a"es yo ha"e dis!o"ered near to the srfa!e are tiny in !omparison to real !a"es and hge !a"erns deeper in the earth (in a depth of ;,777 to F,777 of yor meters, bt !onne!ted with many hidden tnnels to the th e srfa!e or to srfa!e$near !a"es* and we li"e in large and ad"an!ed !ities and !olonies inside s!h !a"es. estion:@here !an we find s!h a srfa!e$near entry to yor world ? nswer:%o yo really think I will tell yo their exa!t lo!ation? If yo want to find s!h an entry,, yo ha"e to sear!h it by yorself (bt I wold ad"ise yo not entry n ot to do that.* @hen I !ame to the srfa!e for days ago, I sed an entry approximately 377 of yor kilometers north from here near to a large lake, bt I dobt that yo wold be able to find it (there are only a few entries in this part of the world $ more are far more north and east.* s a little ad"i!e: if yo are in a narrow !a"e or in a tnnel or e"en in something that looks to yo like an artifi!ial mine shaft and as deeper yo walk as smoother appear the walls and if yo feel nsal warm air streaming from the depth or if yo hear the rshing sond of streaming air in a "entilation or ele"ator shaft, then look for a spe!ial kind of artifi!ial and smooth wall somewhere in the !a"e with a door made of gray metal. If yo wold be able to open that door (bt I dobt this* yo wold be in a sally rond te!hni!al room with "entilation systems and ele"ators to the depth. This is probably an entry to or world. If yo ha"e rea!hed this point, yo shold know that we are now n ow definitely aware of yor presen!e. Ao are already in big troble if yo ha"e entered the rond room, bt yo shold look for one of the two reptilian symbols on the walls. If there are no symbols or other

symbols, yo are maybe in bigger troble as yo think, be!ase not e"ery ndergrond installation belongs to or kind. 1ome new tnnel systems are operated from alien ra!es (in!lding hostile ra!es*. estion:Ao mentioned earlier that yo se the name +a!erta when yo are among >estion:Ao hmans and that yo enoy it to be in the real sn on the srfa!e of earth. 9t how !an yo be among hmans? Ao Ao don#t look like s, so anyone will see that yo belong to another spe!ies. @hy ha"e nobody seen and des!ribed a being like yo if yor kind li"es already sin!e or !reation together with s on the same planet. Can yo explain that to me? nswer:)irst, my kind was of !orse seen and des!ribed (and worshipped* many times in yor primiti"e past, for example ex ample in yor religios writings writ ings like yor Christian 9ible. Ao Ao !an find des!riptions and e"en simple drawings of s for also in the sothern part of the meri!an !ontinent on "arios temples. 1o$!alled wise men from India and from the sian montains ha"e des!ribed or spe!ies many times in writings, together with other wise men from the fri!an !ontinent. I think we are the most mentioned non$hman spe!ies (maybe beside the Illoim* in yor history history.. If yo don#t belie"e belie" e me, ha"e a look at yor history and yo will see the trth in my words. Aor Aor great s!ientists !alled the belief in s sperstition and religion and today#s intelligent hmans ha"e forgotten or presen!e on the srfa!e in the past. )rthermore, or spe!ies is seen e"en today sometimes from hman witnesses in its original shape on earth or in or srfa!e$near entries and tnnel systems, bt fortnately yo and yor media didn#t take the th e reports of s!h !raies serios (that#s (that#s good for s and that# that#ss the reason why we allow those people to see s as we really are.* 1ome of my spe!ies are also in dire!t !onta!t with hman s!ientists and politi!ians from the srfa!e, bt this is top$ se!ret Bas yo wold !all itB and nobody of yor pbli! knows anything abot it (the matter of these meetings is generally the p!oming war with and between the alien spe!ies and or assistan!e in this war*. 9t there is also another explanation, why we !an walk among yo and why yo are not able to re!ognie s: mimi!ry. mimi!ry. The following may again sond nbelie"able and e"en sho!king to yo, bt as yo ha"e asked I will explain it. I ha"e told yo before, that we ha"e more ad"an!ed mental abilities than yor spe!ies and with more ad"an!ed I mean, that we are able to se telepathy and telekinesis from or birth on (in fa!t, mother and new$born !hild !ommni!ate generally with telepathy dring the first months* withot spe!ial training as yo need it to a!ti"ate these sleeping parts of yor brain. The str!tre of or brain is a little bit different to yors and or hypothesis is larger and more a!ti"e than yors $ espe!ially when we are in snlight. -r own abilities are "ery strong in !omparison to yors, bt weak in !omparison to the matter$string/bbble mind for!es of some of the alien spe!ies on this planet. I was ne"er "ery good in that mind things, bt we all ha"e these primary abilities and !an se them for example for or prote!tion or e"en for atta!k. @hen we are on the srfa!e and we meet hman h man beings (e"en a large grop of them $ this makes no differen!e. ll of yor minds are like one mind* we are able to to!h their mind and ind!e them "ia telepathy the !ommand 1ee s as one of yor kind and the weak hman mind will a!!ept this order withot re$fsion and they will see s (despite or reptilian look* as normal hmans. I#"e done this many times and yo weak hmans generally

see me as an attra!ti"e brown$haired woman, be!ase I ha"e !reated this spe!ial mimi!ry image in my mind years ago and I !an ind!e it into yor minds withot problems. I#"e needed some time at the th e beginning to learn the se of the mimi!ry !orre!tly, !orre!tly, bt then it worked nearly atomati!ally and I !an e"en e" en walk among a grop of yors and nobody will re!ognie what I am. There is a simple swit!h (1ee s as we really are / 1ee s as we want yo to see s* in yor !ons!iosness whi!h was pla!ed there from the Illoim when they !reated yor kind and we !an se this swit!h to !on"in!e yo that yo see hmans when yo look at s (other aliens se this swit!h, too*. It is easier as yo think. @hen there are meetings between yor kind and aliens whi!h seem to look exa!tly like yors, these aliens ha"e sed that swit!h and some of the meetings with man$like aliens !an be also explained with meetings with my kind.* kind .* @hen I met E.). E.). the first time, he h e saw me also as a normal hman woman and I remember that he was "ery frightened and sho!ked when I re"ealed him my real appearan!e. >estion:%o yo mean, that yo !an really make me belief that I talk now with an attra!ti"e brown$haired hman woman instead of a reptilian being like yo ? nswer:Probably, bt I don#t think so in yor spe!ial !ase. @hen someone expe!ts to nswer:Probably, t o see a hman woman instead of me, I !an do it withot problems with his mind (e"en with large grops* be!ase nobody expe!ts to see a reptile woman. 9t I ha"e allowed yor mind to see me in my original appearan!e from or first meeting on and I ha"e ne"er ind!ed something into yor mind, so yo ha"e already realied that I#m not hman. If I wold now try to !hange this, it wold probably lead to an absolte !onfsion or to n!ons!iosness and I don#t want to harm yo. s I ha"e said I#m not "ery good in these things. >estion:That#ss "ery s!ary >estion:That# s!ary.. Can yo kill with those abilities? nswer:Aes, nswer:A es, bt it#s forbidden. This means not that it was not n ot done in pre"ios times. >estion:a"e both sexes these abilities? nswer:Aes. >estion:@hat abot photos? ow do yo appear on photos? nswer:This is a silly 2estion. I appear on photos as a reptile being, be!ase I !an#t ha"e inflen!e on the photo or on the !amera itself bt only on the photographers mind. If he or she wold de"elop the film and show the photo to others, they wold see me in my original shape. That#s That#s the reason why it is forbidden for or kind to be filmed or photographed and we mst a"oid e"ery !amera on the srfa!e (that is "ery diffi!lt and we were filmed sometimes in the past withot or knowledge, espe!ially from !ertain of yor go"ernments and se!ret agen!ies.* >estion:@hat other !ommands !an yor kind ind!e into or minds? 1omething like 1er"e s or -bey? nswer:This is again a strange 2estion. 2 estion. @e are not yor enemy (most of s not* so why shold we do this? To To answer yor 2estion: it depends on the strength of the hman mind and on the strength of the sending reptilian. There is no 1er"e s or 1er"e me swit!h in yor mind, so s!h a !ommand is m!h more diffi!lt to ind!e. If the hman mind and

!ons!iosness is weak and the reptilian ind!er is experien!ed in these things and was some hors in the sn before he or she tries to do it, then it !old probably work for a !ertain time. There are se!ret tea!hings abot s!h things, bt I#"e ne"er learned anything abot it. I se my primary abilities for mimi!ry and for !ommni!ation with my own kind and sometimes for other pri"ate things, bt I#"e ne"er sed it to harm hmans or their mind. I wold appre!iate it if we !an end with this th is topi! here. >estion: last 2estion: yo#"e said earlier, earlier, that yo !an hide yor )-s? %o yo se the same abilities to do this? nswer:Aes, bt on a te!hni!al base. There is a powerfl de"i!e inside ea!h !raft whi!h is nswer:Aes, able to send an artifi!ial signal to yor minds to !on"in!e yo, that yo see either nothing bt only the sky or that yo see normal air!raft like planes instead of or ships. This isn#t sed "ery often, be!ase we a"oid hman pbli! when we mo"e in the atmosphere. If yo are able to see or )-s it means that the de"i!e is either defe!t or dea!ti"ated for some reason. The !amoflage effe!t didn#t work on photos $ to answer this possible 2estion 2 estion of yo already in ad"an!e $ bt why shold someone make a photo of the sky when he !old not see anything nsal there. 9y the way way,, most of the srfa!e$near entry points to or tnnels are also hidden with s!h a de"i!e and yor kind will generally see only normal !a"e walls instead of the door door.. That#s That#s one reason why I#"e said that I dobt that yo will be able to find s!h a se!ret door to or world (bt it ha"e happened a few times in the past.* >estion:9a!k to yor and or own history hist ory.. Ao#"e Ao#"e mentioned the ra!e of the Illoim who ha"e !reated or hman ra!e. )rom where did they !ome and how did they look like? @hat had exa!tly happened when they arri"ed? re they or 6od? nswer:The Illoim !ame from this ni"erse, from the solar system yo !all ldebaran in yor maps. They were a "ery tall hmanoid spe!ies whit sally blonde hairs and a "ery white skin (they a"oided the snlight, be!ase it hrt their skin and their eyes. This was absoltely nbelie"able for a sn$lo"ing spe!ies like s*. They seemed to be intelligent and pea!efl at the beginning and we started a more or less friendly !ommni!ation with them, bt later they showed their real intentions and plans: they wanted to e"ol"e the apes to a new breed and we were a distrbing fa!tor for them on their new oo planet. t first, they !aght arond &7,777 or maybe e"en ;7,777 of yor simian an!estors and they left the planet for some hndred years. @hen they retrned, they broght yor (now more hman* an!estors ba!k. Then they left Earth again for some thosands of years and the primiti"e pre$hmans li"ed together with s withot maor problems (they were st afraid of or air!raft and te!hnology*. The Illoim had taght their mind and enhan!ed their brain and their body str!tre and they were now able to se tools and fire. The Illoim retrned within ;3,777 years se"en times and a!!elerated the e"oltion speed of !ertain of yor kind. Ao Ao mst nderstand that yo are not the first hman !i"iliation on the planet. The first ad"an!ed hmans (who li"ed at the same time with less$de"eloped pre$hmans, be!ase the Illoim had experimented with different speeds and stages of e"oltion* with te!hnology and spee!h existed arond 77,777 years ago on this planet (yor s!ientists ha"e not nderstand this, be!ase they#"e fond only the bones of the pre$hmans and some primiti"e !a"e drawings showing ad"an!ed hmans and flying de"i!es.* This geneti!ally ad"an!ed hman breed li"ed together with s, bt they a"oided !onta!t with my kind, be!ase the Illoim tea!hers had warned them with misleading prpose that we are e"il beings and that we lie to them.

@ell, after some !entries the aliens de!ided to extin!t their first !reation and they a!!elerated the e"oltion of a se!ond and better test series and so on and so on. The trth is that yor modern hman !i"iliation is not the first on this planet Earth bt already the se"enth. The bildings of the first breeds are lost, bt th e fifth !i"iliation was the one, whi!h bilt the large trianglar !onstr!tions yo !all Egyptian Pyramids today arond D,777 years ago (yor (yor Egyptians st fond that large an!ient pyramids in the sand and tried not "ery s!!essfl to bilt similar !onstr!tions* and the sixth !i"iliation was the one, whi!h bilt the !ities whi!h rins r ins yo !an find today beneath the sea in the so$!alled 9imini rea arond &0,777 years ago. The last !reation of the se"enth b reed $ of yor series $ was done st F,D77 years ago and this is the only !reation yo !an remember and to whi!h yor religios writings refer refer.. Ao Ao rely on ar!heologi!al and paleonthologi!al artifa!ts whi!h show yo a wrong and short past, bt how shold yo know anything abot the six !i"iliations before. nd if yo find e"iden!e for their existen!e, yo deny and misinterpret the fa!ts. This is partly a programming of yor mind and partly pre ignoran!e. I will tell yo in the following only abot yor !reations, be!ase the six pre"ios mankinds are lost and therefore they shold not !on!ern yo. There was a long war between s and the Illoim and also between !ertain grops of the Illoim themsel"es, be!ase many of them were the opinion that the again$and$again !reation of hman spe!ies on this planet makes no real sense. The last battles in this war were foght arond D,777 years ago in orbit and srfa!e. The aliens sed powerfl soni! weapons to destroy or ndergrond !ities bt on the other hand we were able to destroy many of their srfa!e installations and bases in spa!e. The hmans of yor series were "ery frightened when they obser"ed or battles and they wrote it down in form of religios myths (their mind was not able to nderstand what was really going on.* The Illoim $ who appeared as gods for the sixth and se"enth breed $ told them that it is a war between good and e"il and that they are the good and we are the e"il ra!e. This depends !ertainly on the point of "iew. It was or planet before they arri"ed and before they started their e"oltion proe!t with yor kind. In my opinion, it was or right to fight for or planet. It was exa!tly 4,'43 years ago $ a!!ording to yor time s!ale $ that the Illoim left the planet again for nknown reasons (this is a "ery important date for s, be!ase many of or historians !alled it a "i!tory "i!tory.* .* )a!t is that we don#t know what had really happened. The Illoim were gone from one day to another, another, they "anished withot with ot a tra!e together with their ships and we fond most of their srfa!e installations destroyed by them. The hmans were on their own and yor !i"iliation de"eloped.
yor eyes or yo will be in big troble soon. If yo ha"en#t belie"ed anything of the things I#"e told yo before, then yo shold really belie"e and remember this. >estion:@hy do yo think I don#t belie"e yo? nswer:I ha"e a !ertain feeling that yo don#t belie"e me, despite the fa!t that I#m sitting here in front of yo. E"erything I ha"e told yo in the last two hors is the absolte trth abot or world. >estion:ow many alien spe!ies are a!ti"e on earth at the moment? nswer:s far as we know &4 spe!ies. && from this ni"erse, ; from another bbble and & "ery ad"an!ed from a "ery different plain. %on#t ask me for names, be!ase nearly all are not pronon!eable for yo, eight of them are not pronon!eable e"en for s. estion:@hat do the hostile alien ra!es want? nswer:8arios raw materials, in!lding nswer:8arios in !lding !opper for their te!hnology, te!hnology, yor water (or better the hydrogen in yor water, water, whi!h is a sor!e of energy in ad"an!ed ad" an!ed fsion pro!esses* and !ertain !hemi!al elements in yor air. air. )rthermore, two of the spe!ies are also interested in yor body, body, in yor hman tisse t isse and blood, be!ase their own geneti! str!tre is defe!t throgh bad e"oltion and radiation (as far as we know* and they need inta!t strings from yor kind and from animals to repair their own geneti! again and again, bt they are not really able to repair the defe!ts !ompletely be!ase their %5 and yor %5 is not flly !ompatible (my own spe!ies is absoltely in!ompatible with them, so they are not "ery interested in s* and they try to make more !ompatible !rossbreeds between yo and them by se of artifi!ial fertiliations fertil iations and artifi!ial wombs. @e sppose that the !oming war between the three ra!es or between yo and one or all of them will be foght for raw material, hydrogen, air and %5. >estion:Is this the reason for the abd!tions? nswer:Partly, espe!ially when the aliens took egg and sperm samples from yo. 1ometimes nswer:Partly, the abd!tors belong to another and more ad"an!ed ra!e and they st want to stdy yor body and yor mind (whi!h is more interesting for some of them than yor solid body* as yo wold stdy a primiti"e animal. s I ha"e said, three alien spe!ies are hostile and this means that they do not !are for yor fate or for yor life and people who were abd!ted by them !ame "ery rarely ba!k ali"e. If someone is able to report abot an abd!tion, it means in my opinion that he or she has not met one of the aggressi"e spe!ies or that he or

she is a "ery, "ery, "ery l!ky hman to be ali"e. d"an!ed and friendly ra!es also took t ook sometimes egg and sperm samples, bt for other reasons. >estion:Ao#"e said there are only &4 spe!ies a!ti"e on earth. 9t why des!ribe people >estion:Ao#"e who saw alien beings so many different and biarre types of them? nswer:I think I ha"e already answered to this 2estion. s I ha"e said, most of the alien ra!es ha"e m!h more ad"an!ed mind abilities than yo or e"en me (there is st one alien ra!e !ompletely withot s!h abilities*. They are able to appear in yor mind and memory as whate"er they want and this ind!ed image has nothing to do with their real appearan!e. Ao Ao remember them as normal hmans or grey dwarfs or e"en extremely biarre animals be!ase they want yo to remember that or sometimes they want yo to !ompletely forget anything abot a meeting with them. nother example: yo !an for example remember that yo were st in a normal of yor hman hospitals and that some do!tors were examining yo and yo think not frther abot what ha"e h appened to yo (maybe till yo dis!o"er that there is no hospital in the street were yo spposed it* bt in fa!t yo were examined by b y them in one of their laboratories. Ao Ao !an#t rely on yor mind in this !ase. They appear in different shapes to yo to !onfse yo and to make so$!alled abd!tion witnesses who were able to remember the e"ents $ or who belie"e they are able to remember $ ridi!los in the pbli! and as far as we know know,, they are s!!essfl. 9elie"e me, there are only &4 alien spe!ies on this planet and only eight of them abd!t hmans at the moment (again as far as we know know.* .* In addition, not e"eryone e"er yone of yor abd!tees is one and some of the aliens in their reports are really r eally st imagination or lies. >estion:ow !an we prote!t s against this inflen!e on or mind? nswer:I don#t know. know. I dobt yo !an, be!ase yor mind is like an open book to read and write for nearly e"ery e"er y spe!ies I know. know. This is partly the gilty of the Illoim themsel"es, be!ase they had !onstr!ted or better mis$!onstr!ted (partly intentionally* yor mind and yor !ons!iosness withot real prote!tion me!hanisms. If yo are aware that someone tries to maniplate yor mind, yo !an only !on!entrate on that sspi!ion and try to analye e"ery one of yor thoghts and memories. 8ery important: don#t !lose yor eyes (this wold lead to a different form of brain wa"es whi!h are more easy to a!!ess* and don#t sit or lay down to rest. If yo stay awake dring the first mintes, yo !an maybe try to filter the other thoghts and wa"es in yor brain and the ind!er will gi"e p  p after some mintes if he or she is not s!!essfl be!ase it will start to hrt his or her own brain. This is "ery diffi!lt and !ertainly painfl and it !an harm yo, so better don#t try to resist bt it wold be the only possibility yo ha"e. owe"er, owe"er, yo !an try this only with the more weaker spe!ies, not with the strong. >estion:@hat do yo mean with one spe!ies !omes from a "ery different plain? nswer:9efore I !an explain that !orre!tly to yo, yo mst be able to nderstand th e ni"erse and this wold mean a maybe seless tea!hing of yor mind (in!lding the remo"e of some barriers* of many weeks and with tea!hing I mean not only tea!hing by words. I ha"e said this with yor word plain or le"el be!ase yo ha"e again no better word in yor "o!ablary and dimension wold be in this !ase absoltely wrong (it#s rather wrong e"en for another bbble* be!ase a dimension !an#t exist withot plains. If yo wold be a spe!ies li"ing in another or o"er the plain and if yo wold be frthermore able to enter

plains withot te!hnology so that yor body is not made of that kind of matter yo know know,, then yo wold be the mightiest being yo !an imagine. This "ery ad"an!ed ra!e I#"e mentioned had de"eloped otside of here and they#"e e"ol"ed in fa!t o"er billions of years. They wold be able to destroy all of yo and s and e"erything with st a single thoght. @e were in !onta!t with them only 3 times in or whole history, history, be!ase their interest in yor planet is different from that of all other ra!es. They are definitely no danger for yo or s. >estion:@hat will happen when the war begins? nswer:This is diffi!lt to answer. answer. It depends on the enemy ra!e and on their ta!ti!. @ar is not always that primiti"e thing yo hmans mean with the word, @ar !an be foght on "arios le"els. -ne possibility they ha"e is the destr!tion of yor so!ial system by inflen!e on politi!al leaders, another is the se of ad"an!ed weapon systems whi!h !an !ase earth2akes or "ol!ani! erptions or other disasters (in!lding weather d isasters* whi!h may seem natral to yo. The spe!ial fields from !opper$fsion I#"e mentioned earlier are able to ha"e an inflen!e on yor global weather. weather. I think they will not atta!k the planet dire!tly before the hman !i"iliation is weak, be!ase e"en yo ha"e possibilities to destroy their !raft (bt not many.* many.* +et me say, say, that we are not absoltely sre if there t here will be really s!h a hot war already in the next years. I don#t want to talk frther abot this. >estion:This is the end of the inter"iew. %o yo want to say a last senten!e or message? nswer:-pen yor eyes and see. %on#t belie"e only in yor wrong history or yor s!ientists or yor politi!ians. 1ome of them know the trth abot "arios things, bt they don#t inform the pbli! to a"oid !onfsion and pani!. I think yor spe!ies is n ot as bad as some of my kind thinks and it wold be a pity to obser"e yor end. That#s That#s e"erything I !an say. say. 6o throgh yor world with open eyes and yo will see $ or maybe not. Aor Aor kind is ignorant. >estion:%o yo think anyone will belie"e that this inter"iew inter" iew is the trth? nswer:5o, bt it is an interesting experiment for my so!ial stdies. @e will meet again in some months and yo will tell me then what ha"e happened after the pbli!ation of my message.
Lacerta File 2 Translation by %og Parrish.

Taken from http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index4.html

Introd!tion

I on!e again reaffirm that the following text is the absolte trth and is not fi!tion. It was !omposed from three original tape re!ordings whi!h were made on pril ;4, ;777 with a tape re!order dring my se!ond inter"iew with the reptilian !reatre known as +a!erta. t +a!ertas re2est, the original text of 3& pages was re"ised and shortened p to deal with some 2estions and answers. 1ome existing 2estions were partially shortened or amended. It was e"en ndertaken to extra!t message and signifi!an!e from it. This part of the inter"iew,, either not mentioned or not mentioned !ompletely in the trans!ript, deals inter"iew primarily with personal isses, paranormal p aranormal demonstrations, the so!ial system of the reptilian spe!ies and alien te!hnology and physi!s.

The reason for the shifting of the date and time of the se!ond meeting was a p ossible obser"ation and sr"eillan!e of my own person after the pbli!ation of the first trans!ript. lthogh e"erything was attempted on the ad"i!e of +a!erta to keep my identity a se!ret, st two days after the dissemination of the do!ment abroad, and "arios nsal e"ents took pla!e. Please dont think that I am paranoidJ howe"er, howe"er, I belie"e that the pbli!ation of the inter"iew has drawn either offi!ial attention or the attention of some organiation to me. p ntil this time, I sally regarded people who belie"ed that they were being followed by the state to be nothing more than okers. 9t now I ha"e begn to re"ise my ideas on that sin!e e"ents in Ganary. Ganary. It began with a failre of my telephone for se"eral hors. @hen the phone be!ame operational on!e again, there were 2iet e!hoes and strange !li!king and whirring sonds when I made !alls.  defe!t !old (ostensibly* not be fond anywhere. -"ernight, important data disappeared from the hard dri"e in my !ompter.. The testing program reported defe!ti"e se!tors where strangely enogh there !ompter were only data whi!h dealt with illstrations and !ompleted textal material from the inter"iew.. These defe!ti"e se!tors also !ontained material of a paranormal natre in the inter"iew field of my resear!h. ()ortnately, ()ortnately, the material was also stored st ored on floppies.* In addition I dis!o"ered by pre !han!e some hidden data in a likewise hidden dire!tory index. The name whi!h appeared on the data and the dire!tory index was E;G.  friend, who is a !ompter expert, !old not make anything of this designation, and when I was abot to show it to him, the dire!tory index had disappeared. -ne e"ening, my apartment door was standing wide open, my T8 set was rnning Band I am absoltely !onfident that I had trned the T8 set off.

 mini"an with 9ritish markings and the imprint of a Erope$wide spermarket !hain parked in front of my hose. I noti!ed the same mini"an again on se"eral o!!asions tra"eling at a distan!e behind my !ar, !ar, e"en when wh en I "isited " isited the town of ...... 0D kilometers away. away. @hen I retrned, the !ar was on the other side of the street on!e again. I ne"er saw anyone get into or ot of the !ar !ar..  kno!k on the door of the "ehi!le and on the tinted windows !ased no rea!tion of any kind. fter abot two weeks, the mini"an disappeared again. @hen I informed E.). E.). personally abot these e"ents, e" ents, he sggested that I !hange the pla!e and date of the meeting in order to assre or own and +a!ertas safety. safety. The meeting took pla!e on pril ;, ;777 in another isolated lo!ation. It was nobser"ed as far as I !an determine.

-n!e again, all of this may sond strange and paranoid, like a fantasy from a !heap s!ien!e fi!tion filmJ howe"er, howe"er, I !an only repeat r epeat to and assre the th e reader on!e again: all of this is

the nadlterated trth. 9elie"e my words or dont belie"e them. These things ha"e happened and they will !ontine to happen, whether yo belie"e it or not. ntil it is too late. -r !i"iliation is in danger danger..

-le. =

Transcript of the Interview (Shortened Version)

%ate of Inter"iew: pril ;, ;777

KComment by -le. =.: The meeting began with an appraisal of di"erse 2estions and opinions whi!h I had gotten from readers of the first trans!ript in anonymos fashion throgh distribtion from my trstworthy friends. 1ome of these opinionsBall together there were o"er &4 pages of paperB!ontained !omments shaped by e"erything from a radi!ally religios to a fanati!al tenden!y to wel!ome !onta!t with a reptilian spe!ies. 1ome of these !omments !ontained stereotypi!al phrases like 1er"ants of ell or 1pe!ies of the E"il -ne. I dont want to go into any kind of detailed des!ription here sin!e I dont want pass on frther any false and radi!al realm of thoght.L

>estion:@hen yo read these religios and animosity$ridden !omments here, what do yo think and feel then? Is the relationship between yor spe!ies and ors really shaped from that kind of total negation?

nswer:%oes it amae yo that I am not !ompletely angered by that? I had flly expe!ted those kinds of extreme rea!tions. The programming for the tter negation of another spe!ies (espe!ially the reptilian spe!ies* as in yor own !ase is deeply embedded in ea!h of yor own indi"idal !ons!iosnesses. This an!ient !onditioning stems from the days of yor third artifi!ial !reation and, biologi!ally speaking, is passed down as an information genome from generation to generation. The identifi!ation of my spe!ies with the powers of darkness was a primary intention of the Illoim, who liked seeing themsel"es in the role of the powers of light Bsomething whi!h in and of itself represents a paradox, sin!e that hmanoid spe!ies was extremely sensiti"e to yor snlight. In !ase yo were expe!ting me to a!t offended, I gess Ill ha"e to partially disappoint yo. These obs!re intentions are not really yor faltJ yo are simply following for the most part what yo ha"e inherited from yor an!estors. It is indeed a!tally somewhat disappointing that many of yo de"elop no espe!ially strong indi"idal self$!ons!ien!e, for this wold help yo to o"er!ome the

!onditioning. s I already said, we were in dire!t !onta!t in the last se"eral !entries with some of yor more primiti"e hman tribesJ these tribes had themsel"es s!!eeded in breaking throgh the old !reation programmingJ they were able to meet s withot tension, hate and total ree!tion. pparently many of yor modern !i"ilied indi"idals are not in a position to think on their own, bt rather let themsel"es be gided by programming and religion (whi!h is also a manifestation of that an!ient programming and part and par!el of the plan of the th e Illoim*. Therefore, !omments of that kind Id sooner regard as amsing than irritatingJ they simply !onfirm in large measre for me my sppositions abot yor defined mode of thinking. >estion:Therefore, yo are not the 1pe!ies of the E"il -ne as was remarked earlier? nswer:ow am I spposed to answer that? Aor Aor people still think a!!ording to a simple and !ompletely inappropriate s!heme of generaliations. 1imply pt, there are absoltely 5prely e"il spe!ies. There exist in e"ery terrestrial and extraterrestrial spe!ies alike both good and e"il indi"idalsJ its e"en tre of yor own peopleJ bt there is 5- s!h thing as an absoltely e"il spe!ies. This !on!eption is really "ery primiti"e. Ao Ao people ha"e belie"ed b elie"ed from time immemorial what yo are spposed to belie"eBwhat was foreseen for yo to belie"e by yor !reators. E"ery well$known spe!ies, e"en the more highly de"eloped ones, !onsists of a great nmber of indi"idal !ons!iosnesses (at least a portion of the !ons!iosness is indi"idal, e"en thogh there are !onne!ting fields of !ons!iosness*J these self$sffi!ient spirits are able to de!ide freely for th emsel"es a lifestyle whi!h is either good or e"il, a!!ording to yor own hman standards. It depends again on the respe!ti"e point of "iewJ yor people are not ne!essarily in a position to dge whether the deeds of a m!h more highly de"eloped spe!ies are good or e"il, be!ase yo stand at a lower obser"ation point, from whi!h an assessment is not possible. Aor Aor simple words good and e"il are in any !ase examples of a tenden!y towards generaliationJ in my langage there are many !on!epts for the "arios shades of meaning of indi"idal beha"iors in !omparison to the norms of a so!iety. E"en those extraterrestrial spe!ies whi!h are in!lined to a!t with antagonism towards yo are not 1pe!ies of the E"il -ne, e"en thogh they operate negati"ely with respe!t to yor own ra!e. They do this for their own reasons and do not regard themsel"es as e"ilJ were yor str!tred way of thinking more linear and more fo!sed as theirs is, then yo wold also beha"e in s!h a fashion. The attitde of a spe!ies towards other kinds of existen!e natrally depends "ery hea"ily on its respe!ti"e str!tred way of thinkingJ ea!h spe!ies sets its own priorities. To To !lassify that as good or e"il is really 2ite primiti"e, pr imiti"e, for the sr"i"al of any spe!ies arges for many "arieties, among them yor own, as well as for e"en the most "aried of the worst or negati"ely$dire!ted deeds. I wont e"en ex!lde my own kind in this regard, for there ha"e been !ertain o!!rren!es in the past whi!h I dont personally wel!ome, bt abot whi!h I wold also not like to go into detail. 5one of these o!!rren!es ha"e happened in the last ;77 years of yor time s!ale. 9t please note the following: there are 5- absoltely good and there are 5- absoltely bad spe!ies, be!ase ea!h and e"ery spe!ies always !onsists of indi"idals. >estion:In the letters that I got, there was often the 2estion, whether yo !old go into any greater detail regarding the ad"an!ed physi!s that yo !ommented on last time.
nswer:I oght to explain that to people? Thats not all that simple. +et me think abot it for a minte. I always ha"e to se "ery simple words in order to make !lear to yo the basi! prin!iples of a higher kind of s!ien!e. +ets try this: Ao Ao ha"e to be !lear abot some fndamental fa!ts. The "ery first thing is that yo mst di"ide p the !on!eption of the physi!al world be!ase ea!h existen!e !onsists of different layersJ lets say for simpli!itys sake that it !onsists of a material illsion and a sphere of inflen!e. MTH51+T-H MTH51+T-H1 1 5-TE: 5o legitimate translation exists for this word )eldramJ )eld means field, Ham means spa!e, room, expanse. Therefore, Im translating it as sphere of inflen!e.N Certain physi!al !onditions are asso!iated only with the realm of the material Mas in !on!reteN, while other and more !ompli!ated !onditions are asso!iated only with the sphere of inflen!e of the material world. Aor Aor !on!eption of the physi!al world is based pon  pon a simple material illsion. That illsion is frther sbdi"ided into three elementary or basi! !onditions of matter. matter.  forth forth and "ery important !ondition also exists, whi!h yo simply pay attention to more or less as yo !hooseJ it is the one bordering on the sphere of inflen!e or plasma realm. )or yo, the theory for a !ontrolled transformation or an ele"ation of the fre2en!y of matter and the stable existen!e of this forth aggregate !ondition of matter is not "ery !ommon, or it exists at a "ery primiti"e le"el. (s an aside, there are simply fi"e states of matter, matter, bt the post$plasma state wold really be going too far and it wold only ser"e to !onfse yo. 9esides, it is not ne!essary for an nderstanding of the basi! theoryJ it is !onne!ted with di"erse phenomena whi!h yo wold !hara!terie as paranormal.* 5ow, 5ow, ba!k to the essentials: Plasma...now, Plasma...now, with plasma I dont mean st hot gasBas the !on!ept is generally simplified by yor peopleBbt rather I mean a higher aggregate !ondition of matter. matter. The plasma state of matter is a spe!ial form of matter whi!h lies between its real existen!e and the th e sphere of inflen!e, that is, a !omplete loss of mass and pre a!!retion of energy of "arios form whene"er matter is pshed or sho"ed. M5-TE: 5o explanation was gi"en for the se of the word pshed, sho"ed as sed in this !ontext. Aor Aor gess is as good mine.N The forth state of matter is "ery important for !ertain physi!al !onditions whi!h !an be sed for example to...how shold I express this to yo...generate antigra"ity. antigra"ity. (Thats a rather strange hman word and not really !orre!t, bt yo oght to nderstand it better this way.* way.* Essentially, Essentially, in the world of real physi!s, there t here are no n o bipolar for!es, bt rather only obser"er dependent refle!ti"e beha"ior of a single, large nified for!e at different le"els. @ith antigra"ity or the displa!ement of gra"itational !hara!teristi!s into le"els, one !an, for example, !ase apparently solid matter to le"itateJ this method is employed partly by s and by extraterrestrials as well as a means of proplsion for their th eir )-s. Ao Ao people are mo"ing on a really primiti"e le"el towards a similar prin!iple for yor se!ret military proe!ts, bt sin!e yo ha"e more or less stolen this te!hnology (and it was later falsely passed on to yo intentionally by the extraterrestrials*, yo la!k the real physi!al nderstandingJ as a reslt, yo ha"e to strggle with problems of instability and radiation with yor )-s. !!ording to my information, there ha"e been a great nmber of deaths d eaths of yor people be!ase of intense radiation and field distrban!es. %ont yo agree, this is also an example of the bsiness regarding the 2estion 2 estion of good and e"il? Ao Ao people play with nknown for!es and thereby a!!ept the death of !olleages of yor own kind, for they are dying for a greater !ase, namely namely,, for the ad"an!ement of yor te!hnology te!hnology,, whi!h as a reslt is being pt into pla!e on!e again for the prpose of war war,, i.e., for negati"e prsits. 5ow,, one !an gi"e yo the benefit of the dobt, that only the least nmber of yor kind 5ow ha"e any knowledge abot these alien proe!ts whi!h are Bas yo explain itB top se!ret. It

was told to yo that the th e higher the ordinal or ranking nmber of basi! matter, matter, the simpler the heightening of the !ondition, bt that is only partially !orre!t. If yo !ant !ir!m"ent these powers, then yore better off not attempting it. 9t yor kind has always been ignorant and has from time immemorial tried to play arond with for!es whi!h yo ha"e not e"en nderstood. @hy wold that e"er !hange? Ao remember this bsiness of !opper fsion? 9y means of the th e fl!tation at the right angle with the ind!ed radiation field, !opper is fsed with other elements. (The illsion of matter is fsed, the fields in the sphere of inflen!e o"erlap ea!h other, bt the main for!e wold be refle!ted by that pro!ess and wold assme a 2asi$bipolar !hara!ter.* !hara!ter.* The reslting !onne!tion and the field wold therefore not be stable in the normal !ondition of matter and nsited for tasks. s a reslt, the entire field spe!trm is shifted to a higher plasma$like !ondition, whereby the spe!trm !omes together with this harsh shifting to the opposite pole side Bthe word is 5-T !orre!tB of the for!e field and it resembles 2ite !losely a gra"itational shift. This shifting !ases a tilting of the replsing 2asi$bipolar for!e, whi!h now no longer flows to the interior of the for!e field, bt rather flows partly to the exterior of the field. The reslt is an inter$stratifying refle!ti"e for!e field whi!h is "ery diffi!lt to modlate within !ertain te!hni!al bondaries in relation to its own !hara!teristi!s. It !an also !arry ot a mltipli!ity of tasks, as for example, !asing massi"e flying obe!ts to be le"itated and mane"ered. It !an also exert a !amoflage fn!tion in the realm of ele!tromagneti! radiation as well as maniplate temporal se2en!es of e"ents Bindeed only to "ery limited extentBand other things as well. re yo familiar with yor 2antm tnnel effe!t? E"en the amplitde e2aliations among genine matter !an be a!hie"ed with one of those kinds of fields if the fre2en!y and the distan!e from the plane of the field are high enogh. nfortnately, nfortnately, the whole thing thin g that I ha"e explained explain ed to yo in yor words has !ome ot to be rather primiti"e, Im afraid. It sonds rather strange and !ertainly impossible for yor !omprehension, bt perhaps this simple explanation !an be of some se to yo in helping yo to nderstand. 9t then again, maybe not. >estion:Is there a s!ientifi! sbstantiation for paranormal powers, as for example with yor powers of thoght? nswer:Aes. In order to explain that, one has to a!knowledge the physi!al reality of the nswer:Aes. sphere of inflen!e M)eldramN. Ill try to do it...wait st a se!ond...yo are going to ha"e to separate yorself mentally from the illsion that that whi!h yo see is the tr e natre of the ni"erse. It is, at best, the srfa!e of a side. Imagine for yorself that all the matter here Byo, this table, this pen!il, this te!hni!al de"i!e, this paperB does not really exist, bt that it is rather only the reslt of a field os!illation and a !on!entration of energy. energy. ll matter that yo see, e"ery !reatre, e"ery planet and star in this ni"erse, has an information$energy e2i"alent in the sphere of inflen!e whi!h is lo!ated on a main field Bthe general le"el Mof thingsN. 5ow, 5ow, there is not n ot only one le"el, bt se"eral. +ast time, I had mentioned that highly$de"eloped spe!ies whi!h is !apable of !hanging le"els (whi!h is something !ompletely different from the simple bbble !hanging, for bbbles are a part of ea!h and e"ery le"el*. %o yo nderstand? %imensions, as yo !all them, are a part of a solitary bbble, bbbles or ni"ersal foam are a part of a le"el, and le"els are layers in the sphere of inflen!e, while the sphere spher e of inflen!e, a!ting in the !apa!ity of single physi!al sie, is essentially nendingJ it is !omposed of innmerable information$energy layers and general le"els. There are in the sphere of inflen!e no nll$le"elsJ all are the same, bt they are separated by means of their energy !onditions. I noti!e that I am !onfsing yo

now.. I think I oght to stop with this explanation. now >estion:5o, please !ontine. ow do !on!rete paranormal powers arise? nswer:@ell, -= then. +ets try something simpler. simpler. gain, it is not !ompletely !orre!t, bt lets begin in this manner: Tangible Tangible matter on this side is mirrored in the sphere of inflen!e M)eldramN as a field with distin!t layers. These layers !ontain information, as an example, abot the simple str!tre str !tre of matter or the th e string fre2en!y, fre2en!y, bt also there is stored information stemming from the de"elopment of matter. matter. re yo familiar with the hman !on!ept of morphogeneti! fields? -ne part of the layer !old be designated as s!h. 5ow there is still another intermediary layer for whi!h yo  nfortnately ha"e no hman !on!ept, sin!e the theory is not !ommon in hman thinking. +ets !all it a para$ layer, layer , for this layer is mainly responsible for e"erything whi!h yo !all P1I and paranormal and whi!h lies otside the bondaries of yor primiti"e primiti" e s!ien!e. This para$layer lies between the layers of matter and the morphogeneti! layers of a field in the sphere of inflen!e. It !an a!ti"ely integrate with both. Aor Aor body, body, for example, is mirrored as a field in the sphere of inflen!e M)eldramN. That doesnt mean that it does not also exist here as well Bas flesh, blood, bonesB in the form of matter strings or atoms, bt not only that. Existen!e is always a dality. dality. 1ome layers of the field !ontain simple information abot the th e solid matter of yor body and its fre2en!y, fre2en!y, while other layers M!ontain information abotN yor spirit, yor !ons!iosness or, or, speaking from a hman$religios point of "iew "iew,, yor sol. wareness or !ons!iosness in this !ase is a simple energy matrix, di"ided into different layers of yor field in the sphere of inflen!e Bnothing more, nothing less. 6enine awareness !an also exist here on the matter side, bt only in the form of post$plasma Mthe fifth form of matterN. @ith the ne!essary physi!al knowledge and the !orresponding te!hnology,, the !ons!iosness/awareness matrix, or sol, !an also be separated from its te!hnology field of rest. It !an, despite its remo"al, !ontine to exist in a self$sffi!ient manner for a !ertain amont of time. That has the strange o!!lt name of sol robbing. 9t abo"e all, were talking abot s!ien!e here, not abot magi! or dark for!es. KComment by -le. =.: The sol robbing was mentioned in one of the radi!al, religiosly$ moti"ated !omments in !onne!tion with the reptilian spe!ies.L 9t ba!k to yor >estion: Creatres with more powerfl mental powers !an ha"e a dire!t inflen!e on the para$layer by means of their !ons!iosness/awareness fields. 5ow this layer is not limited only to the indi"idal, bt rather as a part of a general information layer Byo !old !all it in a prosai! sense the !ommnity solB that is !onne!ted with all animate and inanimate matter and all !ons!iosness whi!h exist on this main le"el. The biologi!al !ase for these abilities lies on the side of matter, matter, by the way way,, in the t he pititary gland, whi!h always is in the position to generate the fre2en!ies to a!ti"ely !ontrol the sphere of inflen!e M)eldramN. E"en yo people !old theoreti!ally do thisJ howe"er, howe"er, yo are solidly blo!ked in these things. s I ha"e said, the para$layer !an intera!t with mind as well as with matter. matter. )or example, if I de!ide d e!ide to se my mental powers on!e more in order to mo"e this pen!il, then, simply said, I imagine in my mind how my !ons!iosness/awareness expands/amplifies itself on the matter side in the form of post$ plasma to the pen!il. In the sphere of inflen!e this !ases simltaneosly an atomati! !ommand from the !ons!iosness/awareness layer to the para$layer to intera!t with the matter layer of the pen!il. pen !il. 1in!e the para$layer is not !onfined to the body b ody,, it is not n ot e"en a problem that the pen!il lies o"er there, for I !an nerringly rea!h it, e"en withot mo"ing

my matter body. body. Post$Plasma on this side, para$layer p ara$layer on the other other.. I ha"e !ontrol o"er the pen!il and the intera!tion brings the matter field of the pen!il to the point where it !hanges in the manner in whi!h it mo"es, for example. KComment by -le =.: I !ertify that the pen!il mentioned abo"e abrptly at that "ery moment mped into the air to a height of ;7 !m and then fell ba!k to the sr fa!e of the table. The sond is !learly heard on the re!ording tape. 5o one "isibly had to!hed that pen!il.L >estion:That is fas!inating. @hi!h kinds of paranormal a!ti"ities !an one generate with that? nswer:ll kinds. E"erything that yo !all paranormal. s I said, this spe!ial layer lies in the sphere of inflen!e M)eldramN between the morphogeneti! information layers and the matter layers and !an intera!t inter a!t with respe!t to both sides. That is to say, say, it !an be intera!ted with solid matter as well as with mind or mental information, wherewith we !an a!hie"e e"erything that is generally designated as telekinesis and telepathy. telepathy. The !onne!tion absorption with another !ons!iosness/awareness is generally separate in the pro!edre from the th e simple inflen!e of matter, matter, sin!e different d ifferent !ons!iosness/awareness fields work with different os!illations.  !ons!iosness/awareness that sends or a !ons!iosness/awareness that listens mst first adapt it self to the other mind exa!tly, exa!tly, before any a!!ess is possible.
!ome as a painfl re!oil. @hene"er yo !lose yor eyes, then the field be!omes flat, and alien a!!ess Mto the mindN is immediately possible and withot restri!tion. In terms of yor !han!es against a more highly de"eloped spe!ies, yo ha"e none at all. They are able to adst the os!illations faster than yo !an !hange. I !old e"en demonstrate it on yo, bt yo were really horrified and !onfsed the last time, so well st lea"e it at an explanation. This explanation presmably sonds to yo like Bas yo sayB something esoteri! or from the o!!lt or magi!. The reason for that is simply that yo la!k the basi! nderstanding for seeing the ba!kgrond reasons. ll paranormal phenomena ha"e a prely s!ientifi! origination. 5one of this has anything to do with spernatral powers. @e grow p with this kind of knowledge, we know how one makes se of these powers, and where they !ome from. @e are a!2ainted with theory and pra!ti!e. pr a!ti!e. Ao Ao are not. Therefore, yo really dont d ont nderstand what happens in yor worldByo see only one side of existen!e, not the other (I mean here both that are physi!al*. E"erything paranormal is dalisti!, and it exists in the spa!e that matter inhabits as well as in the sphere of inflen!e M)eldramN. To To be explained...it !an only be explained exp lained by the a!!eptan!e of the latter, latter, be!ase the sphere spher e of inflen!e M)eldramN is the basis. I wold wel!ome an end to the s!ientifi! 2estions sin!e yo really arent grasping them anyway anyway.. @ere wasting more or less "alable time t ime by doing this. >estion:-nly one last 2estion. t or first meeting in %e!ember, %e!ember, yo made it 2ite 2it e !lear that yo didnt want to dis!ss s!ientifi! and paranormal !on!erns. @hy the openness now? nswer:The last time I saw really no ne!essity in o"erbrdening yo with fa!ts of that kind (and now yo are ob"iosly o"erbrdened*. Therefore, I had preferred only to mention these topi!s in a peripheral sense. pparently, pparently, howe"er, howe"er, some of my performan!es today t oday ha"e set yo to thinking thin king abot yor world, something that !ant be all bad. nd by the way way,, yor hman s!ientists will tend to regard my !omments as hmbg. nd so I see no great danger in spreading this th is information widely. widely. 5o one will pay m!h attention to it. 9y the way,, the words of people way p eople who ha"e !hara!teried me as a Creatre of E"il ha"e their basis in the belief in o!!lt powers and magi! Bboth of whi!h things %- 5-T exist. There is no magi!, only highly de"eloped s!ien!e, and e"erything that yo label as magi! is only a part of s!ien!e. If yo wold only !omprehend that, then yo wold be a step ahead in yor de"elopment. estion:6ood. +ets talk abot )-s. Can yo explain to me how or go"ernments !ame into possession of )- material to the point that they !old start their own proe!ts? %id it ha"e anything to do with the Hoswell In!ident? nswer:Aes, bt that in!ident was not the first one. I am no historian, I am stdying only nswer:Aes, yor !rrent beha"ior, beha"ior, so my knowledge abot those e"ents e" ents in yor history is presmably not "ery extensi"e. I will try to explain to yo what I know abot those things whi!h happened at that time. +et me think abot it for a se!ond. In the years &'40 to &'D3 in yor time s!ale, there were fi"e !ases where extraterrestrial ships !rashed to the srfa!e of the Earth. In that !rash whi!h yo !all the Hoswell In!ident, there was not only one alien ship in"ol"ed, bt two that !rashed after a !ollision in different parts of the land in the westB the one yo !all the 1. (Ao (Ao ha"e to know that th at the ships of this parti!lar spe!ies !an remain le"itating in the air for a parti!lar period of time e"en thogh they are damagedJ

that a!!onts for the spatial differen!e Min their !rash lo!ationsN.* These were indeed not the first !rashes, bt by that time the se!ond and the third. nother ship had !rashed in &'40, bt it was destroyed beyond sability. sability. -ne thing first before the explanation: it !ertainly sonds r idi!los to yo that s!h highly de"eloped extraterrestrial ships simply !rash, and that a relati"ely large nmber did so in a relati"ely short amont of time. The explanation for that is likewise more than strange, bt it is !orre!t. It does not lie in the ships ship s dri"e itself, bt rather in the t he dire!tion of the field to yor planet. This spe!ies that we are dis!ssing Band it was always in this time period that this spe!ies sed a disk$shaped !raftB sed a proplsion system whi!h ran a!!ording to the normal prin!iple of fsion, to be sre, bt one that t hat at that time employed a more than n!on"entional method for field alignment. This method had "arios ad"antages bt also disad"antages. The repelling field mst of !orse lie in the absolte !orre!t angle to the srfa!e of the Earth. This spe!ies sed an alignment te!hnology in their ships, with whi!h the field lo!ked into pla!e all points of the Earths magneti! field. 5ow at that time this spe!ies had st arri"ed on the earth and their point of origin lay on a planet with a more stable magneti! field, for whi!h they had de"eloped and aligned their dri"e. The magneti! field of the Earth is not really all that stableJ it is sbe!t to !y!li!al "ariations and it forms field eddies nder nfa"orable !onditions. @hene"er a ship with one of those kinds of dri"es gets into a field fl!tation or into an eddy that is too strong, then for a short time the repelling field !an no longer align itself !orre!tly and the ship glides n!ontrolled on its flight path. The dri"e is operating !orre!tly, !orre!tly, to be sre, bt the field fl!tates in all dire!tions and be!ase of that, the ship !an !rash. In the !ase from &'4 whi!h yo addressed, it is my nderstanding that one of the ships got !aght in a fl!tation, its field linked p nintentionally with that of its s2adron leader and it !ollided with another ship whereby both of them were hea"ily damaged. The !ase for the magneti! fl!tation at that time was probably an ele!tri!al distrban!e broght abot by a weather e"ent. 9oth ships !rashed as a resltJ one of them fell near the !ollision point, th e other a hndred of yor kilometers or so distant. ll o!!pants were killed in the impa!t. The thin hll str!tre of that kind of disk !raft is in and of itself not "ery stable, sin!e those disks ha"e not been designed for !rashes as well as for flight in a field where there are exterior for!es at work. 5ow, yor hman military !olle!ted the indi"idal pie!es 5ow, p ie!es at first ntil they dis!o"ered the whole ships with the th e dead !reatres aboard. Immediately they !lassified e"erything as Top Top 1e!ret and broght them to their military bases in order to analye the dri"e. The se!ret endea"or was to set the alien te!hnology in pla!e later against e"il enemies of that great !ontry.. That is as primiti"e as it is ridi!los. I belie"e I rememberBI dont want to spe!ify !ontry exa!tly yor dateBthat it was probably between &'4' and &'D; that there was a rather bad a!!ident dring some resear!h being done on one of the wre!ks. !!ording to what I heard Bwhat members of my spe!ies were told by members of that go"ernmentBit reslted in an nintentional a!ti"ation of one of the dri"es !omponents in the nshielded !ondition. s a reslt, for a "ery short period of timeBhow shold I phrase thisBthere was an n!he!ked shift of the en"ironment to a plasma$like !ondition, whi!h on the other hand, throgh a "ery,, "ery nfortnate a!!ident, !ased an o"ertrning of the general power field into a "ery magneti! plse of immense power. power. %o yo ha"e any idea what kind of an effe!t a plasma$ magneti! olt has, when it !omes into !onta!t with an organism? 5o, how shold yo know that. -f !orse yo dont. %istrban!e in the str!tre of the field and bioele!tri! feedba!k. Imagine, if yo will, a hman body whi!h is englfed in bright flames for 3 or 4 of

yor days. Those flames apparently do not go ot and they brn the body right down to its last !onstitents. @ell, then yo ha"e an approximate impression of what happened. I think that ;7 or 37 of yor s!ientists were killed in that lab. Two frther !rashes o!!rred in &'D7 and &'D3 in the water !at!hment area of the meri!an !ontinent. Those ships were able to be re!o"ered from the !rashes relati"ely inta!t. (The one in &'D3, as I remember r emember,, e"en had an inta!t dri"e !ore. It was by means of that de"i!e that yo saw for the first time that yo had nderstood the entire !on!ept flly in!orre!tly and that yo had h ad re!onstr!ted it flly in!orre!tly in!orre!tly.. E"en today yo still st ill dont ha"e it right.* That spe!ies, whi!h had bilt the ships in the first pla!e Ba spe!ies whi!h I, by the way, way, !ont among those who are nfriendly towards yoB was natrally worried abot the in"estigation of their own te!hnology by yor kind. They did not want, howe"er, howe"er, at that early point in time, to begin dire!t !onfli!t with yo, and so th ey !hose the diplomati! path and !ame into !onta!t with w ith that go"ernment dring drin g yor &'07s. -f !orse, they did not di"lge d i"lge the real reasons r easons for their being here h ere B!opper, B!opper, hydrogen, airB bt rather they pretended to be !rios !r ios resear!hers and offered to show people the fn!tioning prin!iple of the ships whereby they wold expe!t in retrn some fa"ors. 1imple$minded as yo are, yo of !orse agreed to it...and were de!ei"ed. Ao Ao ga"e them raw materials, yo ga"e them se!red lo!ations for their bases, yo ga"e them a!!ess to yor most se!ret defense data, yo ga"e them a!!ess to yor %5 % 5 and m!h moreBand all st to 2en!h yor greed for power and information. The alien spe!ies of !orse 2i!kly noti!ed that they were dealing with simple$minded !reatres, and they ga"e yo false and inferior information abot their te!hnology so that they re!ei"e m!h more ot of the !ollaboration than yor kind do. )or example, they ga"e yo information that the dri"e !an only be !onstr!ted with nstable elements of a higher ranking nmber, nmber, bt they withheld withh eld the information that the field dri"e !an be !onstr!ted with "arios modifi!ations to work as well with stable elements of a lower periodi! nmber, nmber, and generally, generally, thats the way its done. Throgh these half trths they made yo dependent on the synthesiing of high MnmberedN elements, and thereby renewed by their own te!hnology. te!hnology. Their !les to the !onstr!tion of yor )-s were laid ot in s!h a way that the soltion to old problems !ased new problems to arise simltaneosly simltaneosly.. They ne"er told yo the !omplete trth, bt always bilt in again and again !le"er lies, whi!h later lead t o te!hni!al problems Band to yor dependen!e on them. In the last years of yor &'7s and yor early &'F7s, it finally !ame down d own to "arios e"ents between the alien spe!ies and that hman go"ernment BI dont want to go into detail here sin!e there is m!h that e"en I am not exa!tly sre of. The whole thing lay in the !ontext with some new, new, or better said, the old te!hni!al problems pr oblems with yor own self$!onstr!ted ships whose !amoflage and dri"e partially failed to fn!tion in test flights in the open. 9e!ase of that, the fn!tion of se!re!y was threatened. Aor Aor military and yor politi!ians slowlyB"ery slowlyB!ame to the !on!lsion after more than ;7 years of this that they had been de!ei"ed by that alien spe!ies. <ltitdinos in!ongrities and the o"erstepping of bonds of the treaties by both sides finally led to an alter!ation between yo and the extraterrestrials, whi!h !lminated in the lift$off of three of the alien aerial obe!ts throgh a spe!ial Bhow do yo say it?B E

own bsiness, among them waging a !old war for dominan!e on yor planet, yor old friends and partners are preparing to spply themsel"es finally with the sole and absolte dominan!e o"er raw materials and hman %5. t the moment it is probably tre that they la!k some of the te!hni!al possibilities and the large amont of for!es whi!h they need in order to a!hie"e their th eir goals dire!tly. dire!tly. In spite of that, t hat, we are !onting on negati"e a!tions B possibly e"er of a more sbtle kindB against yo in the next few years or de!ades. >estion:@ill the other extraterrestrial spe!ies ndertake nothing against these war$like a!tions? 1pe!ifi!ally, 1pe!ifi!ally, something oght to be on Earth for the more highly de"eloped spe!ies. nswer:Aore wrong there. nswer:Aore ther e. 1pe!ifi!ally, 1pe!ifi!ally, for the more highly de"eloped de"el oped spe!ies there th ere is simply at the "ery least yor fate. Ao Ao are animals for them. nimals in a "ery "er y large lab. nderstandably,, an alien inter"ention nderstandably inter "ention on yor planet wold distrb their proe!ts, bt I dont think that they a!!ept a !onfrontation with other spe!ies for it. estion:I ha"e here D prints of different )-s, whi!h !laim to show )-s. Can yo take a look at the pi!tres and tell me in whi!h of them a!tal extraterrestrial aerial !raft !an be seen? nswer:I !an try it. Ao Ao pose many 2estions to me today whi!h e"en I !annot answer ne2i"o!ally.. %ont o"erestimate my knowledge, Im no expert in alien te!hnology and the ne2i"o!ally !onstr!tion of extraterrestrial ships. To To be sre, there are mostly some te!hni!al details and pe!liarities abot genine )-s, with whose help one !an easily differentiate them from natral phenomena or hman forgeries. Ao Ao falsify sometimes the pattern of genine shipsJ therefore, it is not so easy simply with absolte !ertainty to identify an obe!t. Ill try it. 1how me the photos. KComment by -le =.: 1he !onsidered the pi!tres respe!ti"ely for only a !ople of se!onds

and then sorted ot photos &, 3 and D.L These three pi!tres here are ob"ios !onterfeits or erroneos identifi!ations. In the one pi!tre, it !ertainly seems to me that a real existing ship of an alien spe!ies was adapted for a small model here. It la!ks important !hara!teristi!s whi!h are tied in with the te!hni!ally$ and physi!ally$asso!iated field. 6enerally speaking, a pi!tre is all the more a fake, the !learer the otline and the !olors are, be!ase a le"itating ship is generally hidden in a shifted$field !ondition that e"en distorts the !olors or the forms a!!ording to alignment. It might perhaps sond strange, bt hay and spe!trally$shifted photos are sometimes to be interpreted as an indi!ation for a possibly athenti!ity. athenti!ity. 9y the way way,, this obe!t is floating abo"e the water water.. If it were a genine ship, we w e wold ha"e to see in any !ase either a trogh or a swell on the srfa!e. 1in!e the srfa!e is flat, it is ob"iosly not a genine ship. In my opinion, none of these three pi!tres show genine obe!ts in flight or )-s. ere in this pi!tre I see abo"e all no artifi!ial obe!t in flightJ it seems m!h more to deal with only a light reflex in yor simple opti!al !ameras. Ao Ao really oght to be intelligent enogh not to fall for a mix$p like that. @hen yor general pbli! !hases !onterfeits and frads for a long time, then they will presmably dis!o"er too late, what is really going on in front of them in their atmosphere. P-T- ;: lbios!, )ran!e, &'4 This one seems to be genine, at least it displays the ne!essary !hara!teristi!s. I wold assign it at first glan!e to an alien spe!ies who ha"e been "isiting yor planet for the last 3D years or so. The obe!t itself is metalli! and disk$shapedJ !ertainly it is distorted in form and !olor by means of a field effe!t. These for white and "ery long pro!esses on the nderside of the ship itself portray a kind of 2asi$gra"itational 2 asi$gra"itational light maniplation, i.e., the ni"ersal for!e field is being bein g shifted in the dire!tion of a simlated gra"ity gra"ity.. !tally, !tally, it is not a genine light (it is mostly not a genine light whene"er yo see illminating )-s* bt a spe!ial strongly !harged form field whi!h manifests itself in the spa!e that matter inhabits as a 2asi$light. The reason for the a!ti"ation of this spe!ial high$energy system in an atmosphere is not !ompletely !lear to meJ its possible that it is a kind of in"estigating or inflen!ing of the en"ironment. In any !ase, it is terribly !areless of that spe!ies to allow this te!hnology to be photographed by hmans. @ell, I gess that most of yo st plain dont nderstand it, and those who do will not say anything abot it to the general pbli!. P-T- 4: Petit He!hain, 9elgim, &''7 This is in fa!t a genine aerial obe!tJ it is in no way extraterrestrial. Trianglar Trianglar aerial obe!ts in flight are simply not sed by alien spe!ies, or not in this form, at least. That streamlined kind of form is a hman !on!ept. It is one of yor own se!ret military proe!ts that yo bild with the help of immatre alien te!hnology Bte!hnology that was handed o"er to yo by the th e extraterrestrials dring the &'07s and the &'7s. 6enerally, 6enerally, the form of the hll for a genine extraterrestrial ship is of no !onse2en!e, for inside the field itself there are no exterior for!es that ha"e any effe!t thereJ in general, the ships ha"e a ronded off form and they are bilt withot hard edges Bas a disk or a !ylinderB so that the field !an flow more easily. easily. Aor Aor proe!ts de!ree that along with the alien dri"e field there also be a !on"entional et engine systemJ therefore, they are always trianglar and bilt ths with streamlining in order to be steerable with this primiti"e re!oil prin!iple.

In the example here the ship glides abo"e all on its genine field dri"e. %o yo see the distortion and the 2asi$light in the rotating !ylinders? That is an nmistakable indi!ation for the athenti!ity of the photo. 9t why, why, yo might ask, are there ther e 4 !ylinders? Thats nsal Be"en the inter"al seems to be in!orre!t. The !oloring is "ery dark and the interior opti!al distortion is "ery noti!eable. n oti!eable. Presmably a re!onstr!tion of the original system by yor s!ientists. 1in!e the alien spe!ies has st not gi"en yo any more information sin!e the disagreement, they are rebilding the systems single$handedly withot a!tally being able to nderstand what kind of dangeros thing they are doing ther e. This !onstr!tion does not make the system better, better, only more nstable. 9oth of the forward !ylinders are too !lose to ea!h otherJ they will definitely flow into ea!h other. other. The !olor shows me a powerfl residal radiationJ it was probably the !ase that high elements were sed again as !stomary for the shifting. It is in any !ase "ery dangeros to be nshielded in the "i!inity of the field. %id the person who took the photo display any kind of radiation and brn damage? >estion:I dont know. know. @here do these military )-s !ome from? )rom the nited 1tates? nswer:Aes. nswer:A es. I think generally thats t hats tre. )rom the western !ontinent. >estion:@hy then do they fly o"er thi!kly poplated areas of Erope? This photo !omes from 9elgim. That doesnt make any sense. Can yo explain? nswer:@hy is it that -5+A -5+A I am able to explain strange hman deeds? Its possible that these are long$distan!e tests or tests with the ele!tromagneti! e le!tromagneti! !amoflage systems. The old enemy of the meri!an nation is on this side of the world, so why sholdnt they test here? t home they"e had enogh time to ha"e had their ships !rossing ba!k and forth. estion:
and fana statisti!ally by yor own kind. t the time, I was already on the retrn path to the entran!eBwe !an e"en orient orsel"es more easily, easily, by the way way,, throgh or senses to the Earths magneti! fieldBand already in the "i!inity of the large lake, when m!h to my srprise I !ame a!ross a !abin in the woods. In this !abin I sensed a hman !ons!iosness/awareness. It was E.). !tally, !tally, I had no permission for !onta!t with another spe!ies, bt by the same token I had set in pla!e my mimi!ry !apability 2ite s!!essflly prior to thisBe"en with larger grops of yo (I had ne"er e"er !ome a!ross a hman being when I was alone*. 5ow, 5ow, lets !all it primiti"e !riosityJ I wanted to talk with the person in this !abin and so I kno!ked on the door. door. E. opened the door and we got into an interesting !on"ersation. is langage was not 2ite yet !ommon at that time for me, bt its not all that hard to learn a new langage when one !an read the th e information in the !ons!iosness/awareness of the opposite indi"idal. I simply told him that I !ame from a foreign !ontry in the east. -f !orse at the time, he did not really re!ognie who I wasJ he was totally !on"in!ed that he was talking with a !reatre of his own kind, althogh it was simply only a mimi!ry image. 1in!e my assignment anyway had as its goal an in"estigation of this terrain whi!h was to last for se"eral days, I "isited him in this span of time three times as a hman person. t first we talked mainly abot really ordinary thingsJ later we got into religios and physi!al topi!s. e seemed to be impressed by my knowledge, and I was likewise impressed with his !lear thoghts and hisBfor a hman beingBwell displayed personality str!tre and his own opinions. Ao Ao really like gi"ing yorsel"es o"er !ompletely to a pbli! opinion or !onditioning, as for example, reptilian spe!ies are e"il and stff like that. I steered the !on"ersation in this dire!tion, dir e!tion, and E.). E.). said something to the effe!t that he belie"ed bel ie"ed in alien spe!ies and that they did not ha"e to ne!essarily be e"il, bt perhaps only different than his kind are. That pleased p leased me. t that n!tre of time, of !orse, I !old not speak !on!retely with him abot my knowledge be!ase he woldnt ha"e belie"ed meBhe wold ha"e taken me for a hman pra!ti!al oker. oker. I !lti"ated the "ery, "ery, "ery nsal idea (for my kind* to show him my tre tr e exterior, exterior, something that I did dring or !on"ersation at or forth meeting in the !abin. !tally, !tally, he was predestined pred estined for !onta!t: he was open$minded, honest, intelligent, not religiosly in!lined or !onditionedJ he li"ed alone and isolated, and no one wold belie"e him, shold he de!ide to go pbli! with his story. story. I dared to take the step, bt then I had serios dobt abot the propriety of my a!t, espe!ially when he rea!ted..."ery..."iolently rea!ted..."ery ..."iolently.. e got !ontrol of himself again after a time and we !old finally talk !on!retely abot definite matters. 5ow he had no !hoi!e bt to belie"e me. This was the beginning of a series of meetings whi!h initially took pla!e there in the woods, bt later took pla!e in his remote residen!e. )inally he broght yo into !onta!t with me...and for that reason we are now sitting here on!e again and talking abot things whi!h probably wont be belie"ed ot there in hman so!iety. so!iety. >estion:Ao said, yo wold not ha"e had permission at that time for !onta!ts with hman >estion:Ao h man beings. %o yo now then ha"e permission to talk with E.) E.).. and me abot all these things and e"en to make this s!ientifi!ally pbli!? nswer:Aes. That is diffi!lt to explain and for yo to nderstand. +ets st say, nswer:Aes. say, I find myself in the position now to arrange this permission withot ha"ing to take into a!!ont any !onse2en!es. In this position I am 2asi$immne against !ertain restri!tions. +ets look it i t that th at way wa y. Aes. Aes.

>estion:If other people want to !ome into !onta!t with yor kind, do they ha"e a !han!e to do so? nswer:6enerally not. @e a"oid !onta!t with yo and we operate on the srfa!e only in remote areas and there we se the mimi!ry te!hni2es in !ase we shold meet some people. That I am talking with yo now n ow does not mean that others other s will follow my example. It goes withot saying that yo !old try to find an entran!e to my world and penetrate yor way into there. owe"er, owe"er, that !an sooner lead to npleasant !onse2en!es for the infiltrator.. Ao infiltrator Ao ha"e next to no !han!es on the srfa!e of re!ogniing s. Ao Ao !ant e"en !onta!t s dire!tly, dire!tly, we ha"e to !onta!t yo, st as I did with E.). Those kinds of !onta!ts howe"er are not the rle bt are "ery rare o!!rren!es. >estion:Can yo des!ribe yor sbterranean homeland lo!ation? nswer:I !an attempt to do so, bt I !ertainly will not tell yo where this pla!e is lo!ated.
and distan!e from the main !olmn. To To the north of the !olmn, there is an additional, "ery large bt "ery flat rond bilding. This bilding interrpts the !on!entri! system of the !olony with its diameter of abot ;D7 meters. It is the artifi!ial sn one in whi!h spe!ially illminated !orridors and rooms are hosed. In these lo!ations "ery powerfl 8 light predominates, and they are sed in order to warm or blood. There is e"en a medi!al dispensary and a meeting room r oom lo!ated there. 9eyond the oter ring of the !olony !olony,, there are ones in whi!h animals are keptByo know, know, we <1T !onsme flesh as norishmentB and the gardens in whi!h plant norishment and mshroom !ltre are !lti"atedJ there is also hot and !old rnning water there from sbterranean sor!es. The power station is lo!ated on the edge of the !olony. !olony. The station is dri"en by fsion as its base and it spplies the !olony and the sns with energy. energy. estion:@ill I myself see it sometime? nswer:@ho knows, maybe. Time Time brings new opportnities. opportnit ies. >estion:ow many !reatres of yor kind li"e in this !olony? nswer:pproximately '77. >estion:That is the end of the inter"iew. inter"iew. %o yo ha"e any final message for the readers of the trans!ript? nswer:Aes. I am thoroghly srprised at the many !omments to my wordsJ of !orse, I am nswer:Aes. natrally also disappointed abot the religios portrayals of me as the enemy whi!h ha"e been "oi!ed and whi!h ha"e bried themsel"es deeply in yor mind. Ao Ao shold learn to set yorsel"es apart from the old !onditioning and not to stand 2asi nder the !ontrol of something or someone who has already been gone for D777 years. Ao Ao are, after all, free spirits. Those are my final words.

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