PLEASE DO NOT CIRCULATE THIS OUTSIDE THE #diversity-inclusion CHANNEL UNTIL THIS NOTICE HAS BEEN REO!ED" Note t$is %&s t$e st&rt o' & C() co*+l&int &'ter noticin, & +&ttern o' e$&viour on Dru+&l"or, &nd t%itter" In t$e end I didn.t *&/e & 'or*&l co*+l&int to t$e C()0 &nd decided inste&d to c$&llen,e so*e o' Crell.s +ulic st&te*ents on t%itter1Dru+&l"or, inste&d" T$e ori,in&l dr&'t co*+l&int $&d & $&nd'ul o' lin/s &nd 2uotes0 ut it.s een &dded to in t$e +&st %ee/ due to su,,estions &nd ot$er +eo+le.s recollections etc" It.s not t$e t$e +riv&te1se*i-+riv&te evidence t$&t %&s su*itted to t$e C() or DA 3so*e o' %$ic$ $&s een lin/ed to on t$e reddit t$re&d0 not in $ere40 nor is it intended to re+l&ce t$&t" S$&rin, t$is no% ec&use t$ere $&ve een *ulti+le st&te*ents 'ro* *ulti+le +eo+le s&yin, t$&t Crell %&s &l%&ys +olite in t$eir inter&ctions %it$ t$e*" T$is %&s not *y e5+erience o' $i*" Note t$&t Crell in &ll o' t$ese discussions is .+olite. 3in t$e sense o' not s%e&rin, or usin, slurs0 or &tt&c/in, +eo+le directly4 even %$en $e.s trivi&lisin, ,ender identity0 *ini*isin, c$&ttel sl&very or su,,estin, t$&t not drin/in, is t$e est r&+e +revention"
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ore ?A*ySte+$en &ye & se& o' $or*ones &nd alcohol alcohol is is & &d ide& Don.t +ut $undreds o' teen oys &nd ooe to,et$er0 %it$ or %it$out ,irls
$tt+s11t%itter"co*1Crell1st&tus1=>6>> $tt+s11t%itter"co*1Crell1st& tus1=>6>>8=96;<76;>78< 8=96;<76;>78< Larry Garfield ?Crell :8 Se+ :8>< ?ry&n&slett So ,uilty until +roven innocent i' t$e +erson you.re $ittin, is & s+ouse0 ut not ot$er%ise" C$ec/"
17th October, 2013 $tt+s11t%itter"co*1Crell1st&tus167898>7;6>7>;6>: FT$e Best R&+e Prevention Tell Colle,e (o*en to Sto+ )ettin, So (&sted $tt+11%%%"sl&te"co*1&rticles1douleG51doule51:8>61>81se5u&lG&ss&ultG&ndGdrin/in,Gte&c$G% o*enGt$eGconnection"$t*l vi& ?sl&te vi& ?sl&te 3Note co**ents 'ro* J&t$erine Senee0 e'' E&ton4 17th October 2013 ?/+sc$r c$r&de &de ?C& ?C&lEv lEv&n &ns s ?A*ySte+$en ?A*ySte+$en A,reed" A,reed" Don.t *&/e yoursel' e&sy +rey is not victi*F?/+s l&*in," It.s e*+o%erin," $tt+s11t%itter"co*1Crell1st&tus1678==:>87:>;87=9 $tt+s11t%itter"co*1Crell1st&tus16789:8799;<:=69>7: ?Tec$)irl)e ?Tec$)ir l)ee/ e/ ?Sl&te ($&t is terrile T$e r&te o' se5u&l &ss&ult0 or t$e su,,estion t$&t less in,e drinking could $el+ lo%er it drinking could
$tt+s11t%itter"co*1*erlino'c$&os1st&tus1==;:<>:>79>> $tt+s11t%itter"co*1*erlino'c$&o s1st&tus1==;:<>:>79>>;;9> ;;9> Larry Garfield ?Crell :8 &n :8>= ?A*ySte+$en @&lse dic$oto*y" It.s not %o*en &re +ro+erty vs" 'e*inis* tod&y0 %$o c&res i' ,&*ers or nerds &re $urt &s coll&ter&l d&*&,e Earl Miles ?*erlino'c$&os :8 &n :8>= Re+lyin, to ?Crell ?Crell ?A*ySte+$en ?A*ySte+$en A A %o*&n %rites &out +role*s in t$e syste* &nd ,ets re+e&ted re+e&ted o*1r&+e t$re&ts0 ut )AERS &re ,ettin, $urt"
$tt+s11t%itter"co*1Crell1st&tus1>7:77<99677=9;<9: ?e&ton Consider %$&t t$e re&ction %ould e i' Jer*it ever ,&ve s" Pi,,y t$e s*&c/ s$e.s deserved 'or 68 ye&rs"
$tt+s11t%itter"co*1Crell1st&tus1>7:77<<<88;<69:8 ?e&ton Co*+&re t$e # o' co**erci&ls t$&t s$o% & stu+id ,uy on $is %i'e.s le&s$ vs" stu+id %o*&n on $er $us&nd.s le&s$"
$tt+s11t%itter"co*1Crell1st $tt+s11t%itter" co*1Crell1st&tus1=7===8:;88;=;>> &tus1=7===8:;88;=;>>: : ?Louis&t$eL&st ?sni+ey$e&d ?sni+ey$e&d Actu&lly Actu&lly I /no% 'or & '&ct '&ct none o' *y &ncestors &ncestors o%ned sl&ves"
$tt+s11t%itter"co*1Crell1st $tt+s11t%itter" co*1Crell1st&tus1;7>9=66>> &tus1;7>9=66>>66<:;;>:8 66<:;;>:8 ?lu/esto/ ?lu/e sto/es es ?&d&*cul+ I volunt&rily enter *ysel' into & sl&very rel&tions$i+" - So you.re ,ood %it$ t$&t
Larry Larr y Garfiel Gar field d ?Crell : Oct :8>9 ore ?lu/esto/es Ko Kou.re u.re dod,in," Sl&ve +erson %$o is o%ned" P+l $istoric&lly $&ve %illin,ly entered t$&t st&te 're2uently 're2uently"" Larry Larr y Garfiel Gar field d ?Crell : Oct :8>9
?lu/esto/es But even *ore ,ener&lly0 i' you volunt&rily enter into & situ&tion t$&t restricts your vo lunt&ry &ctions in t$e 'uture0 et$ic&l
NOTE @RO CATCH It.s not cle&r e5&ctly %$&t .$istory. Crell is re'errin, to $ere0 ut $e *i,$t e re'errin, to det ond&,e" @or e5&*+le in v&rious countries &nd e+oc$s 3includin, +resent d&y40 +eo+le %it$ dets $&ve entered into contr&cts y %$ic$ t$ey %or/ o'' t$e det t$rou,$ l&our" So*eti*es t$is *&y e to +&y o'' le,&l 'ees &'ter '&lse &rrest 3&s %&s co**on in e5ico in t$e e&rly +&rt o' t$e :8t$ century to su++ly l&our to t$e lo,,in, industry4" T$is %&s &ll le,&l in *&ny countries0 $o%ever c$&ttel sl&very %&s &lso le,&l in t$e US 'or centuries" T$ere is very little %&y it could e descried &s .volunt&ry. es+eci&lly since t$ese contr&cts o'ten involve +&y elo% susistence0 e5tortion&te interest r&tes0 .deductions. &nd %ere +&ssed onto c$ildren or ot$er '&*ily *e*ers in c&se o' de&t$0 not to *ention t$e ori,in&l .dets. o'ten *&nu'&ctured due to le,&l corru+tion 3in order to ensure & su++ly o' c$e&+ l&our4"
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March 2!th 201 $tt+s11t%itter"co*1Crell1st&tus1;>66;>=997>7>799;: F?,r*+y+ro,r&**er ?,r*+y+ro,r&**er ($&t ($&t I.* +&yin, &ttention to is +eo+le s$ittin, on & con'erence 'or *&/in, & $&rd decision t$ey cle&rly &,onied over" $tt+s11t%itter"co*1,r*+y+ro,r&**er1st&tus1;>66;777<76:;<<>7: T$re&d in ,ener&l ut &lso F ?,r*+y+ro,r&**er I.ve $&d ++l oect to *y +resence &t non-tec$ con's e'ore c o' *y elie's &nd &ssoci&tions"
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Dru+&l"or, $tt+s11%%%"dru+&l"or,1node1::;=;;#co**ent-==:>6 $une 7th, 201% F($ile c$5.s delivery needs %or/0 $e is correct t$&t so*e o' t$e co**ents in t$is t$re&d t&/e & very cle&r 'r&*in, o' i' you dis&,ree t$en you.re & &d +erson" T$&t is no %&y to $old & convers&tion0 it.s & %&y to r&ilro&d" Co*e on Dru+&l0 %e c&n $ &ve &n &dult convers&tion %it$out t$&t sort o' t&ctic"
So0 i' %e $&ve co**unity *e*ers %$o e5+ress t$&t t$is n&*in, is +role*&tic0 &nd c&uses t$e* constern&tion or stress Do %e Honest 2uestion" So '&r t$is t$re&d consists o' & unc$ o' %$ite *en tryin, to e5tr&+ol&te %$&t so*eone else %ould t$in/" 3& 3 & cannot deter'ine Les(s ethnic background fro' his #hoto )ith certainty*44 I do /no% t$ere &re t%o e%s in t$is t$re&d 3includin, *ysel'40 %$o $&ve t$eir o%n cultur&l certainty* $istory %it$ sl&very &nd discri*in&tion" 3T$&t %$ole E5odus t$in,"4 (e s$ould not 'orce & c$&n,e on *i,$t +ossily could e o''ended" T$&t %&y lies t$e $y+er-sensitivi $y+er-sensitivity ty o' t$e sort *&ny co*+l&in is $&++enin, in v&rious +l&ces don.t ,ive t$e* *ore 'odder" 3&ncidentally, describing 'aster+slave as colonial is both inaccurate and rather offensive in itself* Sl&very &s &n institution e5isted ne&rly every%$ere in t$e %orld &*on,st ne&rly every *&or culture" &t culture" &t )as Euro#ean colonialis' in the 1-00s that eventually ended it* I &* not de'endin, suc$ &n institution &t &ll0 ust +ointin, out t$&t i*+lyin, it %&s & Euro+e&n coloni&l invention is co*+letely &nd utterly '&lse"4 --E*+$&sis &dded"
NOTE @RO CATCH T$ere &re sever&l t$in,s ,oin, on in t$&t co**ent0 ut in li,$t o' recent events I.ll 'ocus on t$e $istoric&l st&te*ent >" He cl&i*s cl&i*s t$&t sl&very sl&very %&s %&s not s+eci'ic s+eci'ic to colon&li colon&lis*" s*" T$is T$is con'l&tes con'l&tes c$&ttel c$&ttel sl&very sl&very 3r&ci&lised0 $eredit&ry o%ners$i+ o' +eo+le4 %it$ ot$er 'or*s o' 'orced l&our li/e +eon&,e0 indentured servitude0 convict l&our %$ic$ e5isted in v&rious 'or*s ,eo,r&+$ic&lly &nd in di''erent $istoric&l +eriods" ($ere you li*it .sl&very. to c$&ttel sl&very or &ll 'or*s o' 'orced l&our is u+ 'or de&te &nd collo2ui&lis*0 ut it doesn.t sto+ t$ere :" He t$en cl&i*s cl&i*s t$&t t$&t Euro+e&n Euro+e&n colon&l colon&lis* is* in t$e t$e >88s .ended .ended sl&ver sl&veryV." yV." 6" Ho%ev Ho%ever0 er0 in in t$e US t$e >6t$ >6t$ &*end*ent &*end*ent co*ined co*ined %it$ %it$ i* Cro%1C Cro%1Convic onvictt Le&sin, Le&sin, *e&nt t$&t 'orced l&our continued in t$e US until >7<=" T$e &olition o' sl&very %&s only o' chattel slavery 0 %$ic$ Crell.s &lre&dy con'l&ted %it$ &ll ot$er 'or*s o' 'orced l&our in t$e s&*e sentence" T$is is %ell docu*ented in Bl&c/*on.s Sl&very By Anot$er N&*e 3or +ro&ly T$e >6t$ doc %$ic$ I.ve not seen yet4" <" Addit Addition&l ion&lly ly v&rious v&rious 'or*s o' 'orced 'orced l&our l&our continued continued in Euro+e&n Euro+e&n colonies colonies %ell into into t$e :8t$ century0 in Indi&0 Jeny& etc" I don.t t$in/ t$&t &ny o' t$ese st&te*ents &re & DCOC viol&tion in t$e*selves0 t$e only t$in, t$&t *i,$t e in t$&t co**ent is tryin, to .,uess t$e r&ce. o' Les" T$e e''ect o' &ll t$is is to trivi&lise +eo+le.s +oints %it$ %$&t su+er'ici&lly loo/s li/e & .+olite. &nd .intellectu&l. st&te*ent" T$ere.s no s%e&rin,0 ut t$is line o' &r,u*ent is e5tre*ely o''ensive &nd essenti&lly & deni&l o' coloni&l1US $istory" $istory" Addition&lly0 ,iven t$e Addition&lly0 t$e revel&tions o' t$is %ee/0 $is interest interest in t$is issue $&s t&/en on ne% *e&nin, 'or *e0 %$ic$ I.* not sure I $&ve &n o+inion on yet" T$is %&s t$e issue t$&t *&de *e decide I %&nted not$in, 'urt$er to do %it$ $i* &t t$e ti*e t$ou,$"
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Co**ent #<= I truly do not care what sex you are, what gender you are, what sex you wish you were, what gender you wish you were, or whatever else. In the context of d.o, I care about how good your coding, documenting, or usability skillz are. That's it. There are contexts in which I do care, and they do not involve Drupal.
!omment "#$ If people are so hung up on %gender identity%, rename the field to %&ex%, which even genderadvocacy genderadvo cacy groups acknowledge is tied to biology rather than fluid relativistic psycho social dynamics.
esponse from !hacha &ikes( %spam)im, damien, crell( many of the things you have said have deeply offended me on behalf of all my *ueer self, all my *ueer + feminist friends + on behalf of other things that could be said by accident in any other discussion about difference. rankly, rankly, it is a bit frightening. It isn't )ust you and my emotions really have nothing to do with you personally. The dismissive attitude is *uite painful as read via a discussion thread. &adly, this is extremely widespread and typical behavior among 'smart men' in technology + the sciences. It does not make -pen &ource very attractive as a career field. ou/They ou/They will trivialize something that is not your/their experience and that is not -0. &hoving this issue under the rug doesn't help either.% !rell again( 1en( I would note that your post makes the tacit assumption that a %postgender% society would be a utopia. That's a value )udgment that is not universally accepted, accepted, and I believe such a viewpoint is actually the minority position in the 2&, and certainly worldwide. That's the point I'm making. 1y switching to a more politically correct gender selector, we are making a rather significant and controversial political statement that has absolutely nothing to do with software development. Do we really want to go there3 4re we comfortable with the ramifications of doing so3 Do we want to make the implication that the belief that gender is not entirely fluid and selfdefined is inherently inferior3 That's the tacit assumption being made in this thread, but I don't think we realize that is such a contentious position. !omment "56
&y :8>: ,rou+s"dru+&l"or," T$e ori,in&l DCOC discussion" IronicW Disclaimer( I was one of those arguing that we shouldn't automatically assume that it was %right% to include every possible gender identity, and got attacked for %not understanding% someone else's perspective. Yes, I did consider that discriminatory.
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I believe that human psychology is shaped in part by evolution, and that does impact the sexes. Men and women have, on average, differences in their neurology that can impact personality. (For information on how this affects children, it has been suggested Boys by Daniel . !odgins is a good resource." #hese are averages, and trends across a population only and say nothing about an individual person.
Daniel !odgins is controversial to say the least$ http$%%blogs.discovermaga&ine.com%neuros'eptic%))*%++%+%educational-neuro-nonsense-orthe-return-of-the-croc'us%./0l#1BIro2 http$%%itre.cis.upenn.edu%3myl%languagelog%archives%))24.html http$%%li&dit&.typepad.com%i5spea'5of5dreams%))1%)%more-on-dan-hod.html http$%%laurietobyedison.com%body-impolitic-blog%))1%)%a-croc'us-of-shit% 6lso see follow-up comment from 76 #eacher7 which pull bac' from !odgins, loo's loo's to me li'e someone did some googling$ https$%%www.garfieldtech.com%comment%4*comment-4*
#hese are predominantly studies of autism (from googling the references", loo'ing at the effects of high testosterone levels during pregnancy, loo's to be relatively recent research and doesn8t reference gender roles as such (nor does 9arry8s recent blog post as such of course". From one of the abstracts$ 7#his relationship was seen within sex as well as when the sexes were combined, suggesting this is an effect of f# :fetal testosterone; rather than of sex per se.7 https$%%www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%pubmed%+*<212<
9eddit/ Autu*n :8>9 :8>9 4nd that's before we even mention that many of those women are %off limits% because there's a work relationship and if you so much as hint at interest it could be interpreted as sexual harassment. 78ot that actual sexual harassment doesn't happen, it does, but the splash damage from it is that nonharassing interest is easy to read as such, and then you're automatically in the wrong.9 4nd if you try to get to know the woman first before deciding to ask her out, you run the risk of getting interpreted as noninterested so she discounts you early. 7"Friendzoning" is the politically incorrect term, but it's a real thing, just with a bit more complex dynamics.9 dynamics. 9
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