CHRISTIAN – MUSLIM DEBATE THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN AS GUIDANCE FOR MANKIND
Representing the Bible – SAMUEL TAJUDA https://www.facebook.com/samuel.tajuda?hc_location=ufi
Representing the Quran – ABU JAIYANA https://www.facebook.com/AbuJaiyana?fref=ufi
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Montaser Hassan August 15 at 3:08pm
1 ON 1 FORMAL DEBATE FREE Topic: WHICH GUIDANCE IS BETTER TO BE FOLLOWED, BIBLE OR QUR'AN? Bible side: Samuel Tajuda Qur'an side: Abu Jaiyana Sources:OPEN Language: ENGLISH DEBATE RULES AND FORMAT: 1. Présentation 2000 words maximum per debater 2. Cross Examination 5 questions maximum 3. Replies to cross Examination 500 words maximum per question. 4. Rebuttal 2000 words maximum per debater 5. Conclusion 700 words maximum per debater 6. Time limit for posting replies to the opponent's post is 24 hrs. 7. NO copy-pasting of articles from websites except biblical or Qur'anic passages or verse which will be included in the maximum word count per debater 8. Violations to the above rules will render the opponent winner of the debate. Format: 1. Présentation of the Bible side. 2. Présentation of the Qur'an side. 3. The Qur'an side would ask 5 questions maximum all at once to the Bible side. 4. The Bible side would answer all 5 questions with only 500 words maximum per question 5. The Bible side would ask 5 questions maximum all at once to the Qur'an side 6. The Qur'an side would answer all 5 questions with only 500 words maximum per question 7. Rebuttal of the Bible side. 8. Rebuttal of the Qur'an side. 9. Conclusion of the Bible side. 10. Conclusion of the Qur'an side. Moderator: <> Note: Those who wish to follow or to be notified, just type #Notif or #''N'' Thanks
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Samuel Tajuda Ah,,, ako pala ang una,, nasa lakad pa ako ngayon,, hindi pa ako nakauwi sa amin,, Pipilitin kong makalatag mamayang mga hatinggabi kung loloobin,, pero kung matatagalan pa ako dito sa nilakad ko, baka bukas pa talaga. English ba ang gagamitin? Pagpasensyahan nyo na kung malainstallment ang dating ng arguments ko,,cp lang kc ang ginagamit ko at limited lang ang pwede itype.. Magbibigay nalang ako ng signal kung ako ay tapos na.. (sumilip lang ako saglit dito ngayon) August 15 at 7:52pm · Like · 2 amuel Tajuda Good day to all Peace be upon us. Assalam mualaikom to our muslim brethrens. It is w/ great pleasure for me to take this challenge to prove our Bible its betterness in all aspects against the quran. It's an opportunity for me to do my responsibility, as christian, to preach the good tidings of our Lord Jesus Christ and of our most high Father in heaven. In our topic, ''which is better to be followed'', let's start finding the answer of it by knowing this thing first: what we are going to follow? Is it the event in the history or the thing they preached within? Let's read the answer from the bible, "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2). It is very clear that what we have to keep or to follow is the gospel that they preach for it is able to save our souls. For this gospel didnt came from men but by God thru christ. "Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16). So, what makes it better than the quran? Here, brothers and sisters, i will show you how better the doctrine in the bible is. I'll post some of it; "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" (Matthew 5:44). "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:: and whosoever judgment whosoever shall shall say to his brother, Raca, shall shall be in danger danger of of the council: council: but whosoever whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." (Matthew 5:22). "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:..... August 15 at 11:51pm · Like · 1 Samuel Tajuda .....In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:" (Colossians 3:5-10). That is just some of the best teachings in the bible that leads us into salvation... The best to be followed. my brethren before i finish my first stand, i will not attack nor defame their quran BUT I DARE CHALLENGE MY OPPONENT TO SHOW US HERE THE BETTER TEACHINGS OF QURAN THAN WHAT I HAVE POSTED FROM THE BIBLE.
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BUT IF HE FAILS TO DO SO..... ===YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS=== August 15 at 11:54pm · Like · 1
Samuel Tajuda That's all. Thank you TO GOD BE THE GLORY August 15 at 11:55pm · Like · 1
Montaser Hassan Thanks also Samuel for your Presentation of ur stand in this debate thread. It's now Abu Jaiyana' Jaiyana 's turn for his présentation. 24 hrs is the time limit for him to present his stand. August 15 at 11:59pm · Like · 3
Abu Jaiyana I begin by mentioning the name of God, Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. All praise is due to Allah alone. He it is Who hath sent His Messenger, Muhammad s.a.w. with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, Islam, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse. After that: Peace be unto those who follow the right guidance. A warmest greetings to all the readers of this debate, especially to our Christians friend Samuel Tajuda who is passionately defending and propagating the message of the Bible, and to all Muslims and Non-Muslims in general. The topic of this debate is somehow we are going to compare the Bible and the Quran and then we decide which of these two books we should follow. Certainly both books teaches many good things which are objectively good. However, there are irrefutable reasons why any person should follow the Quran instead of the Bible. Our friend Samuel Tajuda, in his presentation did not really give us an objective reason why we should follow the Bible instead of the Quran. What he did was he quoted the words of Paul of Tarsus such as in 1 Corinthians 15:1-2, Colossians 3:5-10, and et cetera which made him think that he should be following the Bible; he may be right of he may be wrong. However, he did not quote the Word of God Himself which commands him to follow the Bible. The reason for not quoting the very Word of God by our friend Samuel Tajuda, is because such commandment DOESN’T EXIST anywhere in the Bible. The word Bible itself, doesn’t exist anywhere in the entire Bible which refers to itself. The Word Bible is from the from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, which simply means "the books". Any collections of codified books for that matter is called bible. 1. QURAN, THE BOOK OF GUIDANCE. As for me and for all Muslims, we follow the Quran not because of our personal reasoning but primarily because God says so. First the Quran claims to be the word of God, and it challenges the whole mankind who doubted that it indeed the Word of God, to produce one singe surah (chapter) like it in Surah 2:23 This challenge was and is not disproven in the past and in the present. It simply proves that the Quran is Page 4 of 25
the Word of God. God says in the Quran that it is the Book in which there is NO DOUBT, and a GUIDANCE to those who fear God, Surah 2:2 – this is God speaking here, not anybody else, Ladies and Gents. Unlike the Bible which doesn’t address itself as Bible, the Quran a s a sacred Book, it calls itself as the Quran 70 times, amazing right?
2. CLEAR MONOTHEISTIC THEOLOGY What is very interesting with the teachings of the Quran is its monotheistic teaching. In Surah 112:1-4, it teaches us pure, and uncorrupt monotheism, that is the oneness of God. Say: He is Allah, the One! Allah, the eternally Besought of all! He begetteth not nor was begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him. It simply tells us that God is absolute and eternal, which means He doesn’t depend on an ything, but everything depends on Him. He has neither beginning nor end, no parents, no offspring like sons of daughters, and He is beyond comparison.
Examine the Bible, it teaches that God has Sons, both allegorical and physical sons such as Jesus Christ- How could God beget a son who is a mere human being, a mortal, and imperfect being. If God has a literal son, then necessarily the son is also God, then we end up having multiple Gods, i.e. Mythology. If Jesus is not a literal son of God, then Jesus is not God, therefore, Trinitrian Christianity is a false, and doomed religion. August 16 at 11:34am · Like · 2
Abu Jaiyana 3. WHAT RELIGION TO FOLLOW? The Quran clearly state, what the religion of God that people must adhere to. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Surah 5:3 The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. Surah 3:19 So the Quran tells us very clearly that the religion that we should be following is Islam – whether we follow it or not is upon our choice, there is no compulsion in religion as God said in Surah 2:256. On the other hand, there is nowhere in the Bible which says follow Christianity, or Catholicism, or Born Again, or any particular religion – everything is based on personal interpretations, and like and dislikes which clearly implies CONFUSION among the people.
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4. THE QURAN IS AN INCORRUPTIBLE BOOK. It is preserved primarily be memorization, and then by written texts, and it has a challenge to mankind as mentioned above to disprove it by producing a single chapter like it – Muslims are unanimous to this fact. God promises in the Quran , “We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption)” Surah 15:9. Compare that to the Bible – the Bible is not preserved in its original form, and it was never memorized even by the early Christians. Even Jesus didn’t know and see the final form of the Christian Bible because the Bible was compiled by UNKNOWN individuals many years after Jesus. Christians had been debating who wrote the Book of Hebrews, who Mark really is, et cetera, and more importantly, the Christians can not agree unanimously how many books are there in the Bible, and which version of the Bible is correct. 5. BLASPHEMY IN THE BIBLE There are passages in the Bible which is so blasphemous to God, which I think made the Bible deserving to be burn due to the severity of this blasphemy. It is attributing IGNORANCE to God. God did not know the future and consequences of His acts so he repented after finding out that He has made something incorrect, or not what He expected to happen. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Genesis 6:6 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Exodus 32:14 Compare to the Quran: “Say: Do you instruct Allah about your religion ? But Allah knows all that is in the heavens and on the earth; Allah is Knowing of all things” Surah 49:16
There are lots of these verses in the Bible Ladies and Gents – God is all-knowing, not an ignorant being. August 16 at 11:36am · Like · 3
Abu Jaiyana 6. BAD EXAMPLES God sent Prophets and Messengers as examples, role models, and spokesmen to the people. However, the Bible is shamelessly portraying those Holy Men as bad examples, and False Prophets. Noah, was seen drunk and naked in Genesis 9:21-22 One day he drank some wine he had made, and he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. Prophet Lot (Lut) had sex with his own daughters in Genesis 19:30-38 – This Holy Prophet of God is accused INCEST Ladies and Gents In 1 Kings 11:4 Prophet Solomon, the Prophet with the Psalm, worshipped idols – HORRIBLE! Page 6 of 25
As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been. How could a Holy Prophet of God become an idol-worshiper folks??? Is this not a great blasphemy?? 7. JESUS BEING PROVEN AS FALSE PROPHET IN THE BIBLE. Now, the Christians are boasting about their god, Jesus, being sinless, unlike the previous Prophets. Really? In the new Testament, Jesus can not even be considered as a true Prophet, let alone God because he lied by making an irrefutable false prophecy: “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ Matthew 16: 27, 28
Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.“ Matthew 24: 25 -34 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. Then He told them a parable: Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.“ Luke 21:27 -32 “But Jesus kept silent and the high priest said to Him, “I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, “Y ou have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.“” Matthew 26: 63, 64
Those were clear verses about the supposed return of Jesus before his supposed eye-witnesses would pass away. You know what?? Even if those people would be RESURRECTED 10 TIMES, they will die ten times with the FRUSTRATIONS about Jesus not coming back. Jesus, according to the bible was a FALSE Prophet. How can that be ladies and gents?? I was smiling when our friend Samuel Tajuda, quoted the words of Paul in his presentation because perhaps he didn’t know that Paul was one of those who were deceived by the false Prophecy of Jesus in the Bible. Paul indeed believed that Jesus will be coming very soon as per Jesus’ prophecy quoted above, but unfortunately unfortuna tely for him, Jesus did not come back during his life time: “Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of th e ages has come.” 1 Corinthians 10:11
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“Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” 1 Corinthians 7:27,29 -31
There are lots and lots of reasons why we should not follow the Bible even though it contains some good teachings. The danger and risk is too much for our salvation. Our only alternative is the Quran because of the reasons which I mentioned above. May God open our hearts and guide us always to the right path. Thank you. August 16 at 11:52am · Like · 4
Samuel Tajuda Can you please count the number of words being used by abu in his arguments, hassan? (kasi sa tingin ko ay sumobra sya sa nakatakdang bilang) August 16 at 12:10pm · Like · 1
Montaser Hassan U can check it Samuel. I'll check it,too, later. August 16 at 1:18pm · Like
Abu Jaiyana Religion ang pinag uusapan dito, masama mandaya Samuel Tajuda. Tajuda. Pwede mo e-copypaste sa msword yan para hindi ka mahirapan magbilang. August 16 at 1:20pm · Like · 2
Montaser Hassan It's ur turn now Abu Jaiyana to give ur 5 questions max to Samuel as Cross Examination August 16 at 1:51pm · Unlike · 2
Abu Jaiyana CROSS EXAMINATION Questions for Samuel Tajuda: 1. Is there any verse in the entire Bible in which God Himself says that we should follow the bible? If there is any, which version of the Bible is it? Please take note that Im asking God’s commandment, not anyone else, and please provide the exact reference from the Bible.
2. What moral lesson we could get and apply in ourselves from the scandalous stories of the Prophets in the Bible such as, the drank and naked Prophet Noah, the Incestuous Prophet Lot, the Idol-worshipper King Solomon, and the Liar Jesus for making false prophecies?
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3. Jesus also said in the Bible that those who live by the sword will die by the sword Matthew 26:52. This was the order of Jesus to Petter – do you believe that it is actually a true statement? 4. I cited the verse in the Bible which says that God repented which indicates His ignorance about the future, do you believe that God repents? 5. In all the thousands of sects in Christianity using the Bible as their book of guidance, which of these sects is correct according to the Bible, or is the Bible silent about the issue of following the right religion, it is just a matter of personal understanding rather than of clear instruction from God? Thank you. August 16 at 2:09pm · Like · 4
Samuel Tajuda Answer 1. in the bible, there are two stories that arise, the jews and their fall and the christian as they began to reign. God thru Christ commanded us to follow His words "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:19-20). Which translation? All translations in any langguages for God was the one who confound our langguages and of course He will command some people to translate it in all languages also so that all can hear and understand His words. (baka mamayang gabi pa ako makabalik, duty pa sa work) August 16 at 2:31pm · Like · 1
Samuel Tajuda 2. (though its not related to my argument, i'll still answer it) the moral lesson we could get from their deeds is written here 1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written FOR OUR ADMONITION, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent WE SHOULD NOT LUST AFTER EVIL THINGS, as they also lusted. August 16 at 7:11pm · Like
Samuel Tajuda 3. Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
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THAT STATEMENT IS TRUE, but peter is not a swordman but fisherman of fish and later on became a fisherman of men. August 16 at 7:15pm · Like
Samuel Tajuda 4. Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. the word "repented August 16 at 7:17pm · Like
Samuel Tajuda '4. Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. the word "repented" there is a MISTRANSLATION, for the kjv and some translator translate literally the hebrew word "ncham" pronounce as "naw -kham'"
that word has a lot of meaning depends on how it is used in sentence. here is what it means ncham naw-kham' A primitive root; properly to SIGH, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be SORRY, that is, (in a favorable sense) to PITY, CONSOLE or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to AVENGE (oneself): COMFORTt (self), EASE [one’s self], REPENT ( -er, -ing, self).
SOME translator used the "repent" instead of "sigh or sorry" but some got the correct translation of it here they are WEB Gen 6:6 Yahweh was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart. NHEB Gen 6:6 The LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart. BBE Gen 6:6 And the Lord had sorrow because he had made man on the earth, and grief was in his heart. WHAT MADE THEY WRONG IN USING "REPENT" AND NOT "SORRY, SORROW OR SIGH"? here is the proof Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, THAT HE SHOULD REPENT: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are WITHOUT REPENTANCE. August 17 at 10:13pm · Edited · Like Page 10 of 25
Samuel Tajuda 5. THE correct or the true christian are those who was built by God thru Christ around 2,000 years ago, and by the gospel we became a member of it 1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have FELLOWSHIP with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. August 16 at 7:36pm · Like · 1
Montaser Hassan Are you done Samuel Tajuda 4 ur Replies? August 16 at 7:55pm · Like
Samuel Tajuda YES hassan August 16 at 7:56pm · Like
Montaser Hassan Thanks! You may give ur Cross Examination anytime from now (atleast 24hrs time limit). 5 questions maximum all at once. August 16 at 8:00pm · Like
Samuel Tajuda OK August 16 at 8:02pm · Like
Montaser Hassan It's a normal way na bago tau tatalima at mag-uumpisa sa ganitong Formal Debate ay nabasa natin lhat at naintindihan ang nakatakdang RULES AND FORMAT OF THE DEBATE. JUST PM ME 4 ANY CLARIFICATION REGARDING THIS THREAD. I'm not the assigned moderator, but as coadmin of this group ay tumutulong lng para maassist ito. PEACE! August 16 at 9:12pm · Like · 2
Samuel Tajuda MY CROSS EXAMINATION TO THE ARGUMENTS OF Abu Jaiyana Q1. is quran a word of allah alone and none else like muhamad or iblis? Q2 First the Quran claims to be the word of God, and it challenges the whole mankind who doubted that it indeed the Word of God, to produce one singe surah (chapter) like it in Surah 2:23 just Yes or No are you sure that paul and other apostle didnt produce a single chapter which is better than the chapters in your quran? Page 11 of 25
Q3. 2:2 This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil). the word "scripture" means that it is already witten before he said it. is the "scripture" written here is the same"scripture" being mentioned in surah 10:94 and 9:29? why or why not Q4. do noah and other prophets whom you say as "bad example" are not prophets in quran book also? Q5. if judaism and christianity are a doomed religion, why allah says that whosoever judge not according to the gospel are evil livers/doers? why not quran instead of the gospel in surah 5:47? August 16 at 9:53pm · Like · 2
Montaser Hassan We'll wait Abu Jaiyana's reply. (24 hrs Time Limit) August 16 at 9:59pm · Like · 2
Abu Jaiyana Question#1, Answer. Yes, there is no other word in the Quran besides the Words of God, Allah. The statement of the Angels, Adam, Iblis, and others are merely quoted by Allah when Allah is narrating their stories. That is why a verse may say “and the Angels the Angels said….” said….” “and Iblis Iblis said” “and “and Adam said” said” which mean mean that Allah is quoting quoting their statements. To make it easy for you to understand, let me give you this example: Im telling you that your friend Montaser Hassan has said “the debate between Samuel Tajuda, and AbuJai yana is very exciting” – So these words or statement of Montaser Hassan which you came to know is through MY Words because I narrated it to you, not because Montaser Hassan has personally told you so.
Similarly, when God, Allah quoted the statements of the Angels or Iblis or anyone else, the entire narration is God’s Word, not the words of those whom God has quoted to have said something. The Quran was a direct revelation from God to Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. through Angel Gabriel, so there is no way that any other words can mix with it except that they were quoted statements. Thanks . Question#2, Answer. Yes Im pretty sure that Paul did not and could not produce even a single chapter of the Quran due to the following facts: 1. The Quran is in Arabic language and the peak of eloquence in Arabic language while Paul or any of Page 12 of 25
the disciples did not speak Arabic, let alone eloquent Arabic. 2. The most eloquent people in Arabic language are those contemporaries of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. however, they were not able to meet the Quranic challenge, how much more the non-Arabic speaking people. 3. None of the writings of Paul or of any disciples is known to be eloquent, let alone be of the same level of the eloquence of the Quran. If you know of any eloquent passage in the New Testament, translate it to Arabic and let us examine if it can match the Quran. Ill give you an example. The theme is monotheism. Chapter 112:1-4 Qul Huwallaho Ahad Allahos-Samad Lamyalid wa Lamyulad Wa Lamyakullaho kufuwan ahad. Produce a chapter like it - it is a very short chapter only. Make sure it talks about the same theme so we will not be comparing apples with oranges. Provide the translation as well. Thanks. Question #3 Answer: The Quran is a complete scripture even before it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. in the Lahw Al Mahfuz. It was revealed in stages within the period of 23 years depending on the circumstance of the time. It is not the same scripture as mentioned in Surah 10:94 and in 9:29. You misunderstood those two verses because they are talking about people who read the scripture, i.e. Jews and Christians. It is not talking about the scriptures themselves. So that’s a correction to your misunderstanding of those two verses. Moreover, the people of the scripture or better known as People of the Book which is referring to the Jews and the Christians are called as such because there were revelations sent by God to them, the Toran and the Psalms, and the Injeel of Jesus, respectively. Those former revelations were not preserved by them, and what has been left therein are mixtures of truth and falsehood, that is why the Quran is the Muhaimen, filter, or criterion what is acceptable and what is not acceptable from them. The examples of those unacceptable stuff from those scriptures are those which I mentioned in my presentation. Thanks. Question #4 Answer: Oh yes, Noah, Lot, Solomon, and Jesus peace be upon them all are all Prophets of God in the Quran as Page 13 of 25
well, but unlike the Bible which portray them as bad examples because of those scandalous acts written therein, it is not to be found in the Quran. In the Quran those Prophets have no record of any scandalous acts, they were good examples in the Quran. It doesn’t make any sense that the chosen people of G od are bad examples because they are representing God. Therefore, in that premise, it is better for you and for your Christian brethren to abandon the Bible and follow the Quran. Thanks. Question #5 Answer: First of all, I didn’t say that Judaism is a doomed religion. You have a habit of misquoting people’s statement my friend. What I said about doomed religion in my presentation is related to the Trinitarian religion, i.e. those religion which teaches that God is 3in1. So don’t misquote me, it wont wor k my friend. f riend.
Secondly you also falsely presumed that the Gospel mentioned in the Quran is your Bible –you are absolutely wrong my friend. The Gospel mentioned in the Quran is clearly the Gospel of Jesus Christ – it is a revelation from God after the Totah of Moses and the Psalm of David. The Gospel mentioned in the Quran was revealed to Jesus Christ, while your Bible such as the New Testament was not seen, let alone read by Jesus. The New Testament is a collection of writings of both known and unknown people long after Jesus – so that could never be the Gospel of Jesus. Read the context of the verse again so you wont be misguided: 5: 46. And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. 5: 47. Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. So you are told to judge what Allah has revealed in the Gospel of Jesus, not what Paul, or Mark, or Luke, or Matthew, or John wrote. What did God revealed in the Gospel of Jesus? Let the Quran speak: 5: 45. And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are wrong-doers. So Judge according to that ruling because that is what the Quran is saying according to the very context of the verse. You just need to read two verses before Surah 5:47, you will understand the context. Page 14 of 25
There is no way you can distort the meaning of any of the verses of the Quran my friend in my presence because I read and studied our sacred scripture. Thank you. August 16 at 10:49pm · Like · 7
Abu Jaiyana Thanks Bro Montaser Hassan. Hassan. Samuel Tajuda may now proceed to his rebuttal, with the 24 hours time limit. Thank you. August 16 at 10:53pm · Like
Montaser Hassan Ma-shaa Allah. Thanks, too, bro Abu Jaiyana. Samuel, u can lay anytime ur Rebuttal as what the Format of this debate states. smile emoticon August 16 at 11:21pm · Like
Samuel Tajuda As what i have said, we are debating about the BETTER and not the worse thing in our Holy Book. Instead of taking my challenge to him to present the better guidance than what i have posted from Bible, he’d rather post the sad but true happenings in the bible that muhammad had forgot to copy. Like what really had happen to noah and lut, instead of writing the true event, muhammad forged and fabricated a different story about them that’ s why allah punished him. Qur’an 69:44 -46
And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, then We would certainly have cut off his aorta. (Shakir) Muhammad, being illiterate and ignorant, had just invent his own versin of story about the said prophets that’s why allah had cut off his aorta. Here is the proof: Sahih al-Bukhari 4428 The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if MY AORTA IS BEING CUT from that poison.”
Sunan Abu Dawud 4498 A Jewess presented [Muhammad] at Khaibar a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle of Allah ate of it and the people also ate. He then said: Lift your hands (from eating), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr b. al- Bara b. Ma’rur al -Ansari died. So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done? She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I would rid the people of you. The Apostle of Allah then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaibar. This is the time when IT HAS CUT OFF AORTA. NOW lets back to his arguments arguments,, Page 15 of 25
He said, no one has disproven the claim of their book that NO ONE can make any surah that states the same on any surah of qu’ran (2:23)... OH WHAT A FOOLISH CLAIM . IF MANY PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO TRANSLATE ALL SURAH OF QU’RAN....HOW MUCH MORE IN MAKING THE SAME SURAH??? REALLY FOOLISH CLAIM. HE also used the surah 2:2 and it says like this 2:2 This is the Scripture (or Book) whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil). The ayah/verse is mentioning about the sripture/book w/c was given to him as guidance. It plainly states that the said scripture is already written in a book when HE gave IT to him. For it says “THIS IS THE SCRIPTURE” It didn’t say that “this WILL BE the scripture.........write scripture.........write this” There is A BIG DIFFERENCE in that kinds of statements. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BOOK OF QURAN THAT MUSLIMS HAVE POSSESSED TODAY IS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN BY THE CALIPHS AFTER THE DEATH OF SO-CALLED PUPPET, MUHAMMAD. THEY CAN’T DENY THAT. So, what is that “scripture” being mentioned there as the book of guidance? LET US ASK ALLAH IF WHAT BOOK HE IS REFFERRING. LET’S READ 10:94 And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (THE BIBLE) (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. 29:46 And argue not with the People of the Scripture (BIBLE) unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender. 29:47 In like manner We have revealed unto thee the Scripture (BIBLE), and those unto whom We gave the Scripture aforetime will believe therein; and of these (also) there are some who believe therein. And none deny Our revelations save the disbelievers. IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE SCRIPTURE GIVEN BY ALLAH AS A GUIDANCE IS THE SCRIPTURE GIVEN AFORETIME (the scripture given before allah was born) and that is the BIBLE. OUR brother here also has a problem of having many Gods in the bible. That is true. But, Does the bible told us to worship all known Gods? The answer is a BIG NO... for the bible teaches only to worship the GOD OF ALL GODS who created all things. 1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall WORSHIP THE FATHER in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. SEE... only the FATHER must be worshipped because HE is the MOST HIGH GOD, the GOD of gods(including allah). Psa 82:1 GOD stands in the congregation of the mighty; HE judges among the gods. According to him, The Religion ‘’BEFORE’’ Allah is I slam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. Surah 3:19. And he concluded that quran tells us to Page 16 of 25
follow islam. (note: this religion is BEFORE ALLAH, not after allah. It exists before their god exist. WHAT A JOKE HEHEHEHE) NOW LET’S READ SOME COMMANDMENTS IN QU’RAN, THEN ASK YOURSELVES IF IT IS REALLY GOOD TO FOLLOW QU’RAN 2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, 3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. 22:19 These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, 22:20 Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; 22:21 And for them are hooked rods of iron. 22:22 Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.
Compare to the BIBLE Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Mat 5:46 For if all of you love them which love you, what reward have all of you? do not even the publicans the same? 1Pe 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. WELL, I THINK THAT IS ENOUGH FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHICH GUIDANCE IS BETTER TO BE FOLLOWED. August 17 at 9:59pm · Like
Samuel Tajuda BEFORE I FORGOT HE HAS ALSO MISINTERPRETED THIS VERSES IN THE BIBLE. I will just explain this to him. “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say toyou, there are some of those who are STANDING HERE who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ Matthew 16: 27, 28 HE has a problem with the phrase “STANDING HERE”...he WRONGLY INTERPRETED IT. According to Jesus “there “there are some some of those those who are STANDING STANDING HERE who will not taste taste dea th until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom”...STANDING WHERE? IS IT IN THE LITERAL PLACE WHERE THEY STOOD? Let us analyze the whole chapter CONTEXTUALLY in order to get the correct interpretaion of that verses.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this ROCK I will build my CHURCH; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Mat 16:19 And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. Page 17 of 25
Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from you, Lord: this shall not be unto you. Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get you behind me, Satan: you are an offence unto me: for you savour not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some STANDING HERE, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. GOD thru Christ built the Church upon a ROCK, and that rock or stone was Christ Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom all of you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him does this man stand here before you whole. Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nothing of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. So, the CHURCH (the people standing upon the rock) will remain till he come back. And it’s true, true, for the the CHURCH is still still here (alive) (alive) today and will remain remain STANDING STANDING until he he come back. back. IN HIS CONCLUSION ALSO, HE SAID, “There are lots and lots of rea sons why we should not follow the Bible even though it contains some good teachings. The danger and risk is too much for our salvation. Our ONLY ALTERNATIVE is the Quran because of the reasons which I mentioned above”.
HE ADMITTED THAT THE BIBLE CONTAINS GOOD TEACHINGS...AND I PRESSUMED THAT HE ADMITTED ALSO THAT THE BIBLE BIBLE IS REALLY REALLY THE “MAIN “MAIN SOURCE” SOURCE” TO ATTAIN ATTAIN SALVATION, SALVATION, for the qu’ran is ONLY AN ALTERNATIVE according to him. August 17 at 10:00pm · Like · 1
Abu Jaiyana Rebuttal Bismillah….
Im sorry for the defeat of my Christian opponent in this debate, Samuel Tajuda because he did not want to follow the rules of the debate which he presumably read before this debate starts. You know folks, when we represent a religion, we should show to our audience that we are not unruly people, that we respect what we have agreed upon to follow, not be deceitful in our words.
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The defeat of my opponent is nothing to me, it is not much important to those who are seeking the truth, but we have to discipline people who have no self-discipline to their own selves. Im sure that the Christian audience would not feel happy for what Samuel Tajuda has done. Anyway, there is not much stuff to rebut here about the Quran because Samuel Tajuda did not say anything about the Quran in his presentation – he was merely presenting his bible presuming that there are no problem in his bible as a scripture and with its contents. In my presentation I pointed out that there is a necessity of knowing whether or not God has told us to follow the Quran or the Bible because God knows what is the truth and He has to inform us which Book of Guidance we should be following – it is not a matter personal opinion because we are not infallible, we may be right or we may be wrong. I clearly pointed out that God told us to follow the Quran because it is a Book in which there is no doubt a guidance for the believers as stated in Surah 2:2-3. In contrast, I asked Samuel Tajuda whether there is such command of God for them in the Bible – His clear answer is a BIG NO! He cited Matthew 28:19-20 in which Jesus supposedly told his disciples to teach all nations and baptize them, ect, but that was not my question folks, and that is totally 100 miles away from the truth because those disciples didn ’t have the New Testament in their hands that time simply because the New Testament was written by both known and unknown many, many years after Jesus – therefore, it is extremely impossible to construe that passage as a commandment to follow the Bible. Samuel Tajuda is also ignorant about the difference between a translation and a version – it seems that I am more familiar about his Bible that him. I asked him which version of the Bible is to be followed, but he responded about following any translation. Very funny. Please take note Samuel Tajuda that Version and Translation are not the same banana. I don’t have the opportunity to elaborate that here though I really love to teach you something about that issue. Take that as your homework – don’t be offend ed, okay?
I also pointed out that God did choose special people to deliver His message to mankind throughout history such as the Prophets which serves as role models for their respective people – that is what we find in the Quran. However, in contrast, the Bible says that those God-chosen people are immoral men, bad examples for us, and a shame to God. Imagine that President Pinoy Aquino sends ambassador to Rome, when the ambassador is there, he was seen by the people of Rome to be a drunkard, or naked due to drunkenness, worships idols, have sex with his own daughter for whatever reason – would that NOT embarrass the President? It will not only embarrass the President but also it will be a big shame to all Filipinos. So what is the moral lesson there? Nothing, no moral lessor whatsoever except IMMORALITY. Imagine if someone is doing any of those immoralities, and in the Day of Judgment God will question that person why did he commit such shameful and sinful act – he would simply say that “well, im just an ordinary person, even you best men Oh God, Your Prophets did the same, so why blame me? ”
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You see how God would be embarrassed about it. Praise be to God, those immoralities attributed to the Prophets is not found in the Quran, it is only found in the Bible. So We should choose to follow the Quran instead of the Bible. August 18 at 9:31am · Like · 1
Abu Jaiyana I also asked Samuel Tajuda about the statement of Jesus in the Bible , “Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” In Mat. 26:52 and Samuel Tajuda confirmed it without any clue about the implication of my question. Folks, that statement attributed to Jesus Christ is FALSE!!! Not all who take swords will perish by the sword. Classic example is the Sahabi KHALID IBN WALID r.a. – he was literally a man of sword to the extent that he was name Saifullah (Sword of Allah) because his life is dedicated to fighting and fighting strategies. He was the commander during the Battle of Uhad against the Musims and the Muslims were defeated. When he became a Muslim, he was the commanders of many battles against the Romans and the Persians, and he and his men were able to defeat their enemies despite their small number. Guess what, he didn’t die in battle, he died in natural death . There are many people who lived by the sword but didn’t die by it – you know soldiers who have retired from their jobs and die naturally.
What do this facts tell us in connection to the words of Jesus in the Bible? They tell us that Jesus in the Bible is a BIG LIAR because he said something which is totally UNTRUE. Should we follow the bible then and emulate Jesus Christ who said false statements? I don’t think so . Praise God, Jesus Christ did not utter a lie in the Quran, so we should rather follow the Quran, not the Bible ladies and gents. Samuel Tajuda tried to defend the False prophecy of Jesus in the Bible in which Jesus said to the people and his disciples that they will not taste death until he comes back, yet all those people has died but no Jesus came back. Samuel said that “standing here” doesn’t mean standing in a certain pla ce, but something about building a church upon rock, really?? GOD thru Christ built the Church upon a ROCK, and that rock or stone was Christ”
Folks, that is 100% false! Jesus was telling his disciples that his kingdom will come and when it comes they will see it before they die. Let me post the passage again and read it for yourselves: “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ Matthew 16: 27, 2 8
In fact I supported it with the understanding of the writers of the New Testament such as Paul – he believes that Jesus is coming very soon as prophecied: Page 20 of 25
“Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.” 1 Corinthians 10:1 1 “Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” 1 Corinthians 7:27,29 -31
That is pretty clear folks. So Samuel Tajuda should debate Paul about their interpretation of that verse, but I think the Christians would favor Paul over Samuel Tajuda tongue emoticon I also pointed out that the Quran made it very clear which religion should we be following, and that is Islam. In contrast, no suggested religion, let alone emphasis to follow any religion in the Bible – it means that there is no unanimity in that matter. Everyone can create his/her own religion which would result to chaos and confusion among those who want to follow the Bible – this is clear misguidance instead of guidance. Samuel Tajuda said about “fellowship” could be the right one – folks, is fellowship a religion?? Very poor response indeed! August 18 at 9:33am · Like · 1
Abu Jaiyana Now, about the God that repents which is a clear BLASPHEMY! Samuel Tajuda said it is a mistranslation. Well, I did not translate it, the Christians did. He said that it is supposed to be Sorry instead of repent. That is a FALSE ALIBI folks because the context of the passage says that when God saw what men had done, he repented: And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Genesis 6:6 So you see the context belies Samuel Tajuda. It cant be “sorry” because to whom God would be sorry to that He created man on earth? It doesn’t make sense, right. And even if we say it God was “sorry” that He created man on earth, it is still problematic because God could have known what men would do on earth even before they were created – this still shows ignorance of the future on the part of God – is God ignorant of the future??? I don’t think so .
Praise God, the All-knowing! God is free of ignorance in the Quran, not like the God in the Bible! Samuel Tajuda, in his deperation in finding faults in the Quran, he cited and misinterpreted the hadiths. I have very good responses to all of them but I don’t have the opportunity here due to the limited word count, and it is NOT PART OF THE DEBATE. It is a FALLACY called RED-HERRINGS! Diverting the topic of the debate into something else – so instead of getting a plus from it, it is a BIG MINUS to Samuel Tajuda’s points, if he has any point at all in this debate . I will comment on some of his irrelevant points in his rebuttal in my conclusion. He brought new issues in Page 21 of 25
his rebuttal. A rebuttal is supposed to be a refutation of what has been presented, and not presenting new issues. Samuel Tajuda should be knowing this stuff because he is said to be a good Christian debater. You cant be considered as a good debater if you don’t even know the stages of debate, what to say in your presentation and in your rebuttal because they are not the same stuff ladies and gentlemen. I strongly believe that I have made a fair comparison between the Bible and the Quran, and I also believe that I have made a strong argument for the Quran, while Samuel Tajuda has made a very poor defense for his Bible. Thank you. August 18 at 9:34am · Like · 4 Montaser Hassan Kahapon, nagcontinue si bro Abu Jaiyana na ipresenta ang kanyang Rebuttal maski may hatol na d2 sa debateng ito. So we have said din na magproproceed si Samuel to give his Conclusion as the last part from his side sa debateng ito. But since nagpaalam s.. .See More 23 hrs · Edited · Like · 3 Samuel Tajuda Good day to all the followers of this thread. Again, instead of presenting the better teachings of quran, our brother abu jaiyana, was busy in making FALSE ACCUSATION. Ou r topic is the BETTER teachings of our holy books, but it’s sad t o say, abu havent refuted the better teachings from the bible that i posted here. abu judged me easily that i’m ignorant, well, as what i’ve said, it’s easy to say that but it’s hard to prove. Like about the difference between version and translation, i s aid all translation, why? Because the “version” is a translation from the original manuscript written, some in stones, in woods etc. So, all translation is a general term, for if i mention all the versions here...then i,ll be fouled for violating the word-counts limit. he said that the prophets in the bible who were as role models are immoral. It’s NOT truE (not all prophets have immoral past) why, because God chosen them to become the best example, that they, whom in the PAST are bad guys, became a GOD-fe aring men. Unlike in qu’ran, muhammad raped a 9year old girl in time when he was in service to allah, he had sex also with his dead wife. EEEWWWW. What a VERY BAD ROLE MODEL. About the surah 5:45- 47 also, that the gospel being qouted is about “the tooth fo r tooth and a life for a life”, its an another fabrication of muhammad that leads him to death, i’ll show you what’s written in gospel: Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said (IN TORAH), An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: Mat 5:39 But I say unto you (IN GOSPEL), That ye RESIST NOT EVIL: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. SEE? They heard IN TORAH before that it,s an “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth” that was in torah’ not in gospel, for gospel teaches about giving and loving IN WHICH QURAN DOES NOT TEACH.
He also accused Jesus as a liar (like-how-he accused-me), he who live by the sword shall die by the sword. Is it true? YES ITS TRUE, we who live in this earth shall die in this earth, its not in literal sword only, a soldier who retired is not a soldier anymore, and he dies on how he live. About the the “standing “standing here” issue, issue, we’ll its not a literal literal place that that Jesus was was talking. Abu took took it literally (i have explain this already.) paul told the widows to have no husband again because of the PERSECUTION that was coming and its not about the coming back of Jesus. That persecution took place on DARK AGES in our Page 22 of 25
history. Our God is all-knowing Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, DECLARING THE END FROM THE BEGINNING, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: SO HE KNOWS EVERYT HING (about the “repent” issue, a have answered it already in ANSWER 4 of his cross-exam. WHO’S GOD IS IGNORANT??? LET’S READ 36:38 And the SUN RUNNETH on unto a RESTING-PLACE for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty(???), the Wise(???). 36:39 And for the MOON We have appointed MANSIONS till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf. 36:40 It is NOT FOR THE SUN TO OVERTAKE THE MOON, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
TELL ME, WHO IS IGNORANT? ALLAH SAID, IT IS NOT FOR THE SUN TO OVERTAKE THE MOON. THE SUN AND MOON ARE CHASING EACH OTHER. AND IF THEY ARE TIRED, THEY HAVE A RESTING-PLACE ALLAH IS VERY IGNORANT 12 hrs · Like
Abu Jaiyana CONCLUSION Ladies and Gents: This is supposed to be the conclusion of the arguments that Samuel Tajuda and I had presented. However, as I had pointed out in my rebuttal, Samuel Tajuda doesn’t know what to write in the rebuttal. He brought up new and many irrelevant issues. He talked about hadiths which has nothing to do with the topic of the debate in comparing the Bible and the Quran, therefore, I decided to give some sort of rebuttal here in my conclusion. He said that many people were able to translate the Quran, so he concluded that it can be made to, and he said it is a foolish fo olish claim. Folks, I did give an example of a short surah in the Quran, 112:1-4, for Tajuda to match and refute, but HE FAILED TO GIVE ANYTHING A SURAH LIKE THE QURAN – so my argument still stands. Moreover, I pointed out earlier that Tajuda is ignorant about the difference between a version and a translation, and now, he is also showing ignorance between a translation and a composition. TRANSLATING the Quran, and MAKING a surah like the Quran is NOT THE SAME BANANA Mr. TAJUDA tongue emoticon Mr. Tajuda ignored my reply to his cross-exam question #3 that the Quran is a complete Scripture even before it was revealed to the Prophet that is why Allah always refer to it as a Scripture such as in Surah Page 23 of 25
2:2. This was my reply to his question which he did not refute: Question #3 Answer: “THE QURAN IS A COMPLETE SCRIPTURE EVEN BEFORE IT WAS REVEALED TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD S.A.W. IN THE LAHW AL MAHFUZ….” It is a fallacy called PIG HEADEDNESS of Tajuda.
Tajuda also said that the Quran was written by the Caliphs after Prophet Muhammad – it is a BIG, BIG LIE. The Quran was written by the Scribes of the Prophet whenever a verse or a passage is revealed to him such as Zaid bin Thabit r.a. and many others. What the Caliphs did was they merely CODIFIED the WRITTEN COPIES OF THE SCRIBES after Prophet Muhammad, and those codified copies were called Masahif. There was one Mushaf during the time of Abubakr, and it was standardized and reproduced in to many Masahif during the time of Uthman. You can read that in any ULUM AL QURAN book such the one authored by Ahmad Von Denfer, it is available online. So Tajuda is either IGNORANT about it OR he was LYING to us in order to DECEIVE the audience. Tajuda also insisted that the Previous Scriptures that the Quran was referring to is the Bible, BUT he already admitted the fact the New Testament was NEVER SEEN BY JESUS, let alone read by Jesus – so it cannot be the Injeel of Jesus that the Quran is talking about. Samuel Tajuda quoted the ayat in the Quran which command the Muslims to fight, but we know that those commandments have historical contexts and that they were commandments in times of WAR. In the Bible, Jesus commanded to slay the enemies, and in the OT, so many commandments to kill the apostates, the people of other religions, and even genocide including livestock and cattle – had Tajuda read his Bible properly, he would not have criticized the Quran for having such commandment to fight the enemies. The VERY POOR ENGLISH of Tajuda; he was laughing about the verse, the Religion BEFORE Allah is Islam. He said that why is the religion comes before Allah and not after Allah? OMG!!! The word “before” there folks doesn’t mean adverb of time. It simply means acceptable to Allah (inna deena indallahi Al Islam) – the Arabic for before as an adverb of time is (kabl) not (inda). Lastly Tajuda doesn’t know the difference between THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE, and ONLY AN ALTERNATIVE. Folks, the former means No OTHER ALTERNATIVE while the latter means SIMPLY AN ALTERNATIVE.
All that Tajuda has done in this debate is make allegations against the Quran and interpret them on his own WITHOUT ANY SUBSTANCE. It is very clear that the BIBLE SIDE IS COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED BY THE QURAN SIDE in this debate. May Allah guide Tajuda and his family, the Christians to Islam. Thanks. Page 24 of 25
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Montaser Hassan Alhamdulillah. Thanks bro for ur conclusion. Jazzakallah. 11 hrs · Like
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