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Chair Tests by GooGooDolls » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:53 am

Hi guys long time no see. I have been extremely busy working and practicing and studying magic. I have been struggling to find a list of references to chair tests in magic books on the internet. I know it was posted around the web on either Magic Bunny or Talk Magic however I have done searches on both and haven't found anything close to what I am looking for. I was wondering if anyone here knew where to find the information? Thanks if anyone can answer my question.

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Top by Craig Browning » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:06 am Chair Tests? Do you mean Chair Predictions? The bulk of them are not available as a single piece but in a book but, if you are looking for a solid routine with some good production value there are two I'd suggest; Rick Maue's FATE is down right awesome and Sebastian Black's Balloon Chair Prediction is designed for some straight forward fun. You'd have to check with Rick on FATE and I believe Sebastian's routine is available for less than $10.00 at Lybrary.com

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Craig Browning Elite Member Posts: 4426 Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:53 pm Location: Northampton, MA * USA

Top by GooGooDolls » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:37 am Yeah I mean chair predictions. I know the bulk of them would not be qualified in a show piece. I was wanting to see the list of chair predictions to look through them and maybe come up with something that could be entertaining enough to stand on its two feet with some creativity of coarse. By the way I have heard Ricks Fate you have recommended it to me a lot. I was curious is it psychological based. Thats the only question I have on that item because I know some of his stuff is Psychological based. I also tried to look up on the Lybrary.com about Sebastian's material but couldn't find it. Thanks if anyone else can help me find the list that I guess I can't find no more.


Top by Randy » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:50 am GooGooDolls wrote: Yeah

I mean chair predictions. I know the bulk of them would not be qualified in a show piece. I was wanting to see the list of chair predictions to look through them and maybe come up with something that could be entertaining enough to stand on its two feet

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with some creativity of coarse. By the way I have heard Ricks Fate you have recommended it to me a lot. I was curious is it psychological based. Thats the only question I have on that item because I know some of his stuff is Psychological based. I also tried to look up on the Lybrary.com about Sebastian's material but couldn't find it. Thanks if anyone else can help me find the list that I guess I can't find no more.

I think the majority of Ricks stuff is psychology based. Tho I may be wrong on this. Luke Jermay has a chair prediction effect. I think it's on his Skull Duggery DVD or in one of his books. Randy Senior Member Posts: 531 Joined: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:44 am

Top by Hardik » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:20 am You should definitely check out Gary Kurtz's 'Ultimate Chair Prediction Plus'.. A great effect ! It is sold as a manuscript. I don't know if it is still marketed, but it keeps popping up on eBay and the like. Also keep a check on magicweek's For Sale page. If I remember correctly I've seen it listed there too. Hardik Senior Member Posts: 331 Joined: Sun May 24, 2009 11:33 pm Location: India (21 : AH )

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If you can get hold of "The Roy DVD" (Roy Zaltsman and Roy Yozevich), it has a chair prediction called Places that is very interesting. And ridiculously simple. "Magic teaches us how to lie without guilt." --Eugene Burger "Hi, Robbie!" "May your mischief be spread." --Derren Brown CF4L

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Top by Craig Browning » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:46 pm GooGooDolls wrote: Yeah

I mean chair predictions. I know the bulk of them would not be qualified in a show piece. I was wanting to see the list of chair predictions to look through them and maybe come up with something that could be entertaining enough to stand on its two feet with some creativity of coarse. By the way I have heard Ricks Fate you have recommended it to me a lot. I was curious is it psychological based. Thats the only question I have on that item because I know some of his stuff is Psychological based. I also tried to look up on the Lybrary.com about Sebastian's material but couldn't find it. Thanks if anyone else can help me find the list that I guess I can't find no more.

FATE is entirely "automatic" and has a good deal of flexibility sewn into it, when it comes to multiple performance. It's been a while since I've used it, but it has become a standard bit in my stage shows and at least twice now I've used it as the closer to the first half of my full-evening program and the audience eats it up. However, I don't recall that it has any psychological elements, it's all more or less automatic... You can reach Sebastian directly by going to his forum THE MENTAL IMAGE... this is NOT a magician's forum but a place for (mostly) very seasoned and serious mental

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performers. We have a few members here at TM that are members over there and I'm certain getting vouched for wouldn't be a problem. Just send a note to "The Management" when you get to the forum and tell him I suggested his Balloon Chair Prediction, he'll take care of you (though it may take a few days, his life is up-side-down at present due to a mortally ill daughter that's just taken a major turn to the worse) but he is good people and can be trusted... you might want to look into his Clearly Q&A board while chatting with him

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Top by bmat » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:53 pm First I look to see if the chair has arm rests if not I disregard it completely. If it passes that initial test I tend to actually sit in the chair, (of course being a magician and having sold many electric chairs I also tend to rule out that possibility before sitting in the chair), I put my arms...oh never mind. bmat Elite Member Posts: 2693 Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:44 pm Location: Pennsylvania, USA

Top by naychandler1 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:58 pm there is a good chair test on 'the chapters of marc spellman dvd' which i think would hit quite hard. you should check it out

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naychandler1 Preferred Member Posts: 130 Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:07 pm Location: westmidlands

Top by Yaniv Deautsch » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:35 pm Here's a list of chair predictions, credit goes to Ezzet & Paolo Cavalli at the café; There is also an essay on Chair Tests in Invocation By Max Maven. I came up with my own Chair Effect a few seconds after rereading that essay. If you wish to become a real magician read books. Here is that list. * The Ultimate Chairs Prediction - Gary Kurtz (The Ultimate Chairs Prediction Plus manuscript) * Chairvelopes - Paolo Cavalli & Massimo Tira (Omicron) * Miscellanea (reference to Corinda's 7 Chairs) - Paolo Cavalli & Massimo Tira (Upsilon, pg 54) * Chairvoyance – T A Waters (Mind, Myth & Magick, pg 639) * Chairvoyance Revisited – Sean Carpenter (Center Tear, Vol 1 Issue 4) * Please be seated – Steve Shaw/Banachek (Syzygy, Vol1, Number 4) * Be seated! – Banachek (Pre-thoughts, pg16) * One From Ahead (The Borodin Chair Force) – Borodin (Sheherazade, pg 239) * The Lazy Mentalist – Barrie Richardson (Theater of the Mind, pg 152 Also appears in Pabular and in Magick Vol 4 as Chair-Voyance)

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* Hot Seat – Larry Becker (World of Super Mentalism, pg 120) * Chairport – Tom Stone (Gravel) * Chair-Voyance – Eddie Burke (Professional Mental Secrets, pg 4) * The Seven Chairs – Corinda (Thirteen Steps, pg22) * Are You Sitting Comfortably? - David Berglas (The Mind & Magic of David Berglas, pg 334) * Tony Forster Chair Prediction (Lecture Notes, German only) * Tele Hypnose (first published by Aarge Darling 1948 in his Danish publication "Mentale Mysterier" * Dr. Stanley Jaks had a version in "Ibidem" magazine in 1961 * Stewart James had a version in "New Tops" in 1963 * Peter Warlock's version "Five Chairs" appeared in his book "Warlock's Way" (1966) * Peter Warlock had another version "Chairio" in "Magigram" (Jan. 1991 issue) * Jules Lenier lecture notes * Ensconced Fundament - Patrick G. Redford (2005) * Musical Chairs - James Biss * Dr Zodiac "Chair'Ished" from "Untitled" (2005) * Andy Nyman's - Chair Swindel * THE TECNICOLOR CHAIR PREDICTION in "Bascom Jones' Magick magazine * "The Great Chair Prediction" by Gene Grant (Phantini) in his book "Incredible Mental Secrets Vol. 2". (page 69). * Michael Weber Landing Pad published in his lecture notes at the second MAGIC...Live! convention.

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* Tony Iacoviello Lord of the Dance, originally published in 2004 in MUM * Lance Norris- Chair Prediction That Kicks All Other Chair Predictions in The Seat ebook * Jack Dean's Voice of the Prophet - chair/cassette prediction * Sebastian Black - Chairloons * Chair Enigma, Chair Enigma2 and Pic Chair from Colin Mcleods book Deceit. * Chairman of the Board - by Kennedy * Marc Spelmann's - One In Thousands * Sean Taylors "Throne Room" from "Mindstorms" book * Andrew Gerard – Color of money * Rick Maue – Body language and Group dynamic from Mindvention 2006 lecture notes * The paper plane chair game and The paper plane chair game mach II - Hector Chadwick book

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Top by Demitri » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:17 am I second Rick Maue's Fate - fantastic effect, though not a traditional "chair" prediction. You can use chairs, but it's not designed that way.

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Also his Group Dynamic and Body Language routines are great effects. You can't go wrong with any of the 3. Patrick Redford also released a pretty cool chair prediction routine in his Largo lecture notes last year. Not sure if this is a limited release or not, but it has some nice thinking. Marc Spelmann also released a chair prediction routine in his 101108 lecture notes, called IYP - but I haven't read that, so I can't speak of it. Thanks for the list, Yaniv!

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Top by GooGooDolls » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:52 am Thanks for everyone to reply. Also thanks for the list of the chair predictions I will look through it and see if I can make up something. I will try and buy Fate when I get enough money for the item. Thanks for the advice much appreciated.


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Re: Chair Tests by Yaniv Deautsch » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:12 pm An updated Chair Tests list for those interested. an essay on Chair Tests in Invocation By Max Maven. 　 Yaniv Deautsch's Telepathy Report: Chair Control How to openly predict which out of five chairs a complete stranger will sit in. No pre-show, no dual reality, no secret writing, no stage whispers, no instant stooge or any other kinds of stooges or secret cuing. 　 * Tele Hypnose (first published by Aage Darling 1948 in his Danish publication "Mentale Mysterier" can also be found in The Phoenix Issues V4 151-200 pages 623, 625 　

* Dr. Stanley Jaks had a version in "Ibidem" magazine in 1961 *Martin Gardner's Dr.Jaks's Predi-X-Ion Swami page 22 　

* Stewart James had a version in "New Tops" in 1963 Throne for a Touchdown July 1963 page 18 * Peter Warlock's version "Five Chairs" appeared in his book "Warlock's Way" (1966) 　 * The Ultimate Chairs Prediction - Gary Kurtz 1997 (The Ultimate Chairs Prediction Plus manuscript)

* Chairvelopes - Paolo Cavalli & Massimo Tira 2004 (Omicron) * Miscellanea (reference to Corinda's 7 Chairs) - Paolo Cavalli & Massimo Tira 2004 (Upsilon, pg 54) 11 di 16

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* Chairvoyance – T A Waters (Mind, Myth & Magick, pg 639) * Chairvoyance Revisited – Sean Carpenter 2002 (Center Tear, Vol 1 Issue 4) * Please be seated – Steve Shaw/Banachek (Syzygy, Vol1, Number 4) * Be seated! – Banachek 1992 (Pre-thoughts, pg16) * One From Ahead (The Borodin Chair Force) – Borodin (Sheherazade, pg 239) * The Lazy Mentalist – Barrie Richardson (Theater of the Mind, pg 152 Also appears in Pabular and in Magick Vol 4 393 pages 1961-1962, 1964 as Chair Voyance) * Hot Seat – Larry Becker (World of Super Mentalism, pg 120) * Chairport – Tom Stone (Gravel) * Chair-Voyance – Eddie Burke (Professional Mental Secrets, pg 4) * The Seven Chairs – Corinda (Thirteen Steps, pg22) * Are You Sitting Comfortably? - David Berglas (The Mind & Magic of David Berglas, pg 334) * Tony Forster Chair Prediction (Lecture Notes, German only) * Peter Warlock had another version "Chairio" in "Magigram" (Jan. 1991 issue) *Peter Warlock's The Lady and The Tramp in Pentagram vol 10 number 6 March 1956 pages 44-45 *Peter Warlock's Colour-Number vol 13 number 4 January 1959 pages 27-31 *Peter Warlock's Colour Choice in The New Pentagram vol 11 number 4 June 1979 pages 26-27 *Peter Warlock's No Code Psychics in The New Pentagram vol 16 number 4 June 1984 pages 29-31 * Jules Lenier lecture notes * Ensconced Fundament - Patrick G. Redford (2005) 12 di 16

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* Musical Chairs - James Biss * Dr Zodiac "Chair'Ished" from "Untitled" (2005) * Andy Nyman's - Chair Swindle * "The Great Chair Prediction" by Gene Grant (Phantini) in his book "Incredible Mental Secrets Vol. 2". (page 69). * Michael Weber Landing Pad published in his lecture notes at the second MAGIC...Live! convention. * Tony Iacoviello Lord of the Dance, originally published in 2004 in MUM * Lance Norris- Chair Prediction That Kicks All Other Chair Predictions in The Seat ebook * Jack Dean's Voice of the Prophet - chair/cassette prediction * Sebastian Black - Chairloons * Chairman of the Board - by Kennedy *Kennedy's Chair - by Kennedy *Kennedy's Thoughts So Far:Sitting On Rose Petals *Kennedy's Killers: Simple Chairs * Marc Spelmann's - One In Thousands * Sean Taylors "Throne Room" from "Mindstorms" book * Andrew Gerard – Color of money * Rick Maue – Body language and Group dynamic from Mindvention 2006 lecture notes * The paper plane chair game and The paper plane chair game match II - Hector Chadwick book * Max Gordon's Slightly Off Target: You predict the description of someone who will sit in a chair in the audience in an envelope taped under their seat from Miraculous Minds

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*Patrick Kuffs's Kuff's Stuff:Simplex Chair Mystery - can also be found in Genii August 2011 *Magiggram vol 4 number 12 August 1972 page 7 Which Chair? by Mark Weston (page 820 of the pdf) Magigram vol 1 Double Indemnity by Ken De Curcy March-April 1967 　　

Daniel Young's The Mixed Mind: Chairity - Chair tests and some random ideas surrounding them. 2005

Chairs impromptu chair routine by Josh Zandman 　　

Lost Luggage by Stefan Olschewski: Magical Chairs (Journey to Jerusalem) 　

Tri-cycle chair routine by Daniel Macaluso 　

Fraser Parker's True Mysteries: Open Chair Prediction 　

Stuart Cumberland's Forbidden Wisdom Feb 2009 Chair Prediction 　

Roulette - Chris Rawlins: My Version of a Classic Instinct's Joel Dresnick: CHAIR OPENER: by Joel Dresnick and Tatanka Tan 　

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Kenton Knepper's Mind Reading Lesson 12: Casual Jacket Chairs Two 　

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